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Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to Thursday coverage of the NFL Combine

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Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. Chris Brown Maddi clab with you as

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Speaker 2: we will take you through the goings on here at

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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine and DBS Today, we're up at

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Speaker 2: the podiums here speaking to the media, and Maddie and

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Speaker 2: I were kind of trolling around for some of the

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Speaker 2: guys that have caught either on tape or in some

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Speaker 2: of the positional rankings that we've seen out there in cyberspace.

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Speaker 2: And not surprising for me, but there were a bunch

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Speaker 2: of Georgia guys in that group. Kamari Lassa to the corner,

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Speaker 2: Javon Bullerd the safety, and then the other safety Tyke Smith,

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Speaker 2: who played that star position for them in their defensive scheme.

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Speaker 2: And Maddie was all over Cooper de Jene, who has

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Speaker 2: been mocked to the Bills once or twice, I.

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Speaker 3: Believe, yep, twice.

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Speaker 2: I think it is some of the mock drafts, and

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Speaker 2: that's a guy that can play corner end safety. And

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Speaker 2: we'll talk with Field Yates a little bit later on

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Speaker 2: in the show and ask him specifically if he sees

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Speaker 2: him as a corner of safety or maybe capable of

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Speaker 2: playing both. He is a versatile, versatile player, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to be attractive and is probably coming off the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like quite a few cornerbacks could come

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Speaker 4: off the board in round one. Just talking to analysts today,

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Speaker 4: love this cornerback class and what they have to offer,

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Speaker 4: And specifically with Cooper de Jene, he said that he's

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Speaker 4: talk to a few teams about playing multiple positions moving around. Uh,

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Speaker 4: he said, you know what, I don't care where I

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Speaker 4: I haven't played safety yet in college. I have played

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Speaker 4: inside and outside as a cornerback, but I believe I

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Speaker 4: can play safety at the next level. Interesting, he's he's

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Speaker 4: got a lot of great tape. He's he's an elite player.

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Speaker 4: But you wonder of about a rookie in their first

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Speaker 4: how much of that is can you do it all?

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Speaker 4: Because you're one You're You're digesting a new playbook. You

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Speaker 4: are at the NFL level for your first season, you're

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Speaker 4: learning how to how to live life as an NFL player.

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Speaker 4: That's quite a bit to undertake. Add multiple positions to that.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he is a guy who who can juggle all

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Speaker 4: bit interesting to hear him talk about talking with teams

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Speaker 4: about playing multiple positions during his first season, and who knows,

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Speaker 4: maybe it was like, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna play

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Speaker 4: at multiple positions once you feel good in this defense,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it might be a byproduct of what they

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Speaker 2: currently have on the roster already. Maybe they're not sure

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Speaker 2: where that hole will be by the time they get

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Speaker 2: consider regardless of which spot we fill between now and

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Speaker 2: is your defense to execute it? Is it a complex

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Speaker 2: you know, can handle the added responsibility of lining up

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Speaker 4: Cam Kitchens, I love the connections there with Jamil and

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Speaker 4: I the quarterbacks coach that we just hired. He recently

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Speaker 4: So there were a couple of players talking to the

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Speaker 4: And when you can make life easier for a prospect

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Speaker 3: But I liked what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: He said he's been watching Micah Hyde at the NFL level.

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Speaker 3: He said, he's one of the players who I followed.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you got a young teacher on

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Speaker 2: watch his tape. Do not let that guy's frame fool you.

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Speaker 2: He is a I think he's a violent tackler. He's

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Speaker 2: that's kind of the mystery that really intrigues me, especially

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Speaker 4: Another player that I like talking to today or hearing

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Speaker 4: and a lot of these safeties are being asked about,

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be something that you have.

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Speaker 4: And he got to go up against dalonkin Kate for

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Speaker 4: throughout this pre draft process. We've been in contact with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another guy that played that star position in

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Speaker 2: their five to two front at Utah. And the thing

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Speaker 2: They have a couple of fifth round picks, they have

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Speaker 2: And you heard Brandon being saved with us earlier in

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Speaker 2: the week. They got to hit on this whole draft.

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Speaker 2: It's not like, hey, we hit on the first two picks.

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Speaker 2: We got two more starters. That's great. With the amount

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Speaker 4: Speaking of a position group on this roster, I don't

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Speaker 4: Field Yates talked about how great this cornerback class is.

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Speaker 4: Cynthia Freeland talked about, hey, I could maybe see the

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Speaker 4: Bills going that way in this draft class. I'm starting

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Speaker 4: to like this corner class more and more and more.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the biggest need for the Bills,

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Speaker 4: but let me ask you this question. If the Bills

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Speaker 4: decide to take a corner in this draft, when do

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Speaker 3: If at all?

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Speaker 2: Man, I mean, I like the talent at the top

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Speaker 2: a little over an hour from now, we'll check in

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Speaker 2: with NFL Network insider Tom Pellasero. So two of the

436
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Speaker 2: three guys on the Insiders on NFL Network, and then

437
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Speaker 2: a scout background guy in Field Yates, and then the

438
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Speaker 2: analytics guru Cynthia Freeland. I mean that is that's an

439
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Speaker 2: all star lineup right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've had all star lineups all week long. Browning

441
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Speaker 4: has been fun to have all these people on the show,

442
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Speaker 4: and I think help everybody shape their thoughts for this

443
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Speaker 4: upcoming draft and free agency. That's so that's why I

444
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Speaker 4: love being here so much, is because you can look

445
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Speaker 4: at these mock drafts. You can see where some depth

446
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Speaker 4: is in free agency. You can see the holes in

447
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Speaker 4: the Bills roster. But it's really nice to hear from

448
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Speaker 4: analysts where they believe depth is in this upcoming draft class,

449
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Speaker 4: who they like at number twenty eight for the Bills.

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Speaker 4: I think this week we've really learned about. One thing

451
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Speaker 4: that's stuck out in my mind is the defensive line

452
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Speaker 4: position for the Bills and if that's an option for

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Speaker 4: them at twenty eight. I'm becoming more and more convinced

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Speaker 4: that that's an area they could be looking at with

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Speaker 4: their first pick in the draft in April.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a strong and look, we don't

457
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Speaker 2: know what's going to fall to them at twenty eight,

458
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Speaker 2: so much can happen in front of them, not only

459
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Speaker 2: in terms of what each of those teams preferences are,

460
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Speaker 2: but teams can jump up ahead of them. And now

461
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Speaker 2: the preferences change again, and we don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: to be left for the Bills at twenty eight and

463
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Speaker 2: whether they decide to move up a few spots and

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Speaker 2: what have you. But I think it's pretty safe to

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Speaker 2: assume that probably the top three positions that they would

466
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Speaker 2: prefer to address at twenty eight is edge, defensive tackle,

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Speaker 2: wide receiver. I think those are the top three and

468
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Speaker 2: if the value fits, well, then great if it does.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. There's something about I

470
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Speaker 2: know it's late in the first round, Matty, but I

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Speaker 2: find myself coming to the conclusion that there's gotta be

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Speaker 2: some value at one of those three positions at twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: no matter which way it falls. And I know we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk to some of our guests later on in

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Speaker 2: the show about that. Like, for example, offensive tackle, it's

476
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Speaker 2: a good class at the top. You could have six

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Speaker 2: offensive tackles go in front of the bills at twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have at least three quarterbacks, but maybe there's four.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe in a crazy world, there's five corner

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Speaker 2: that you already mentioned. Maybe there's six corners that come

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Speaker 2: off the board in front of the bills. Well, okay,

482
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Speaker 2: that's six tackles, six corners and four quarterbacks. Let's just say,

483
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's sixteen picks right there. And you haven't

484
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Speaker 2: even talked about a defensive player. And I think Brock

485
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Speaker 2: Bauers is gonna go up there too. That's a tight end.

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Speaker 2: That's another guy pushing people down. So fingers and toes

487
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Speaker 2: crossed here, that the right value at the positions that

488
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Speaker 2: the Bills are looking at at least drops into that

489
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Speaker 2: area where maybe if it doesn't get all the way

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Speaker 2: to twenty eight, at least it's in striking distance for

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Speaker 2: Brandon to go up a few spots and get one

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Speaker 2: of those guys.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of position value, wide receiver, edge rusher, defensive

494
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Speaker 4: tackle are great positions to go after in the first

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Speaker 4: round when you think of contracts, when you think of

496
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Speaker 4: how much these players are worth in the NFL and

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Speaker 4: if they're worthy.

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Speaker 3: Drafting these types of.

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Speaker 4: Position groups in the first round knowing that you're going

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Speaker 4: to have this guy under a rookie contract for more

501
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Speaker 4: than a few seasons, thinking about Buffalo's cap situation, not

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Speaker 4: just this year, but years in the future. They went

503
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Speaker 4: tightend last year in the first round, which some may

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Speaker 4: say is an interesting position group as it relates to

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Speaker 4: contracts within the first round, getting that second contract, paying

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Speaker 4: X money for a rookie tight end being in the

507
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Speaker 4: first round, so you want to be if you can,

508
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Speaker 4: you probably want to marry it up as perfect as possible. Hey,

509
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Speaker 4: these are three great position groups to go after in

510
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Speaker 4: the first round because these are three position groups that

511
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Speaker 4: command a lot of money on the open market within

512
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Speaker 4: that second contract. Even if you're looking at some of

513
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Speaker 4: these players in free agency. Maybe this is why they're

514
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Speaker 4: looking at these three position groups in the first round

515
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Speaker 4: in the NFL Draft, knowing where the Bills are at,

516
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Speaker 4: knowing what they have to do to become cap compliant,

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Speaker 4: and knowing how the market could change over the next

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Speaker 4: few years.

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Speaker 3: These are premier positions. People pay a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of money for these positions. So if you can

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Speaker 4: hit a home run in the first round of the

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Speaker 4: NFL Draft, get a player who can play right away,

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Speaker 4: who can start all season in that first year, that's

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Speaker 4: a position group that you don't have to worry about,

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Speaker 4: or a position that you don't have to worry about

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Speaker 4: paying for the next couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cost control, for lack of a better term.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones at eighth three, five fifty. Well,

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Speaker 2: we have a few minutes here before where we get

530
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Speaker 2: to our guest lineup for the show today, and we'll

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Speaker 2: go to Ted and Ken Moore. Let me get over

532
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Speaker 2: here and pull him up. Ted, what do you got

533
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Speaker 2: for us here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 6: Good Afternoon, Brownie, I could agree with you more with

535
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Speaker 6: Rasseul Douglas and my comment is that I don't know

536
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Speaker 6: why McDermott is so hell bad that like Rasseul Douglas,

537
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 6: he was dragging his leg, but to put somebody else

538
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Speaker 6: in there, same thing with Klein, it was it was

539
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Speaker 6: a shame to watch that game, and when we had

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Speaker 6: Williams on the sideline, and and why is McDermott so

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Speaker 6: hell ben I'm not playing these younger guys. It's just

542
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Speaker 6: it's it's mind boggling to me. And and as far

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Speaker 6: as that goes, I was telling the person that answered, uh,

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Speaker 6: I'm glad that a hide employer there there. I mean,

545
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Speaker 6: they're spent, they're old guys. You got to get young guys.

546
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Speaker 6: You have to get the movement like Kansas City did.

547
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Speaker 6: But I could agree with you more with Rasseul Douglas.

548
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Speaker 6: The poor guy was dragging his leg out there, and

549
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Speaker 6: why you wouldn't put somebody else in there is beyond me.

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Speaker 6: And I'm glad Maddy that you're on the show today.

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Speaker 6: I like looking at you better than Steve, so I

552
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Speaker 6: appreciate your time and wait for your answer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no problem, Yeah, I'll say that. You know

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Speaker 2: the thing about that is I understand the game is

555
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Speaker 2: super important. You want to go with the guys that

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Speaker 2: you trust, but there is a decision you have to

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Speaker 2: make there. Even if you want to start the guy

558
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Speaker 2: that might not be one hundred percent healthy, you say, okay,

559
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Speaker 2: guy's not one hundred percent healthy, he says he can go.

560
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Speaker 2: Let's see how he looks. And then if he looks

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Speaker 2: like he is deficient and not up to his normal self,

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Speaker 2: the next question you have to ask is is he

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Speaker 2: hurting us more by playing or is there enough value

564
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Speaker 2: to his capabilities in this injured state to still help

565
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Speaker 2: us win a football game. And sometimes that's something that

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Speaker 2: gets lost in all that you're focused on in the game,

567
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Speaker 2: and that's when you rely in your position coaches to say, hey, coach,

568
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Speaker 2: Rasul's really struggling out there. We may want to think

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Speaker 2: about making a change there. He's really having trouble. He's

570
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Speaker 2: not saying anything but just watching him and observing him.

571
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Speaker 2: He just doesn't look like himself. And that's where you

572
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Speaker 2: got to lean on your staff to notice those details

573
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Speaker 2: and say, look, we're getting killed over here because he

574
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Speaker 2: can't play the way he normally does. We got to

575
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Speaker 2: get a fresh body, a healthy body out there, and

576
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Speaker 2: maybe He's not a guy we trust in every situation,

577
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Speaker 2: but we don't have a better option right now. We

578
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Speaker 2: got to turn to that. Now, fast forward to this year, Maddie,

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Speaker 2: I don't think coach McDermot and staff are gonna have

580
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Speaker 2: a choice. Yeah, this is gonna be a much younger roster.

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna have some veteran option to turn to

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Speaker 2: in the eleventh hour. They're gonna have to make it

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Speaker 2: work with a lot of these younger players in some

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Speaker 2: pretty sizable roles that I think might surprise some people

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Speaker 2: by the time we get to September.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 3: And I like that.

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Speaker 4: I like having to throw guys out there in the

589
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Speaker 4: first year of their NFL careers and have them figure

590
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Speaker 4: it out from day one, because I think back to

591
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Speaker 4: the season that the Bills had the last two years

592
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Speaker 4: as it relates to injuries and how injuries came on

593
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Speaker 4: stronger and stronger at the end of the year, and

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Speaker 4: then you're relying on younger players.

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, here's your turn to step up and play.

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Speaker 4: You maybe haven't had a game experience yet at the

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Speaker 4: NFL level, but here it is. Week sixteen, Week seventeen,

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Speaker 4: first round of the playoffs, you're gonna play your first

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Speaker 4: few steps. I love having younger guys have a warm

600
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Speaker 4: up period, figure it out the first six to eight

601
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Speaker 4: weeks of the season, and by November, by December, by January,

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Speaker 4: when these games truly matter.

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Speaker 3: You're locked in.

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Speaker 4: You understand the defense, you understand the offense, and you

605
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Speaker 4: can play at a high level next to the veterans.

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Speaker 2: You may have to take some lumps, there may be

607
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: some ugly plays, but you hear players say it all

608
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Speaker 2: the time. The best way to get better and to

609
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: learn is to play the game. And that might be

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Speaker 2: an approach that the Bills' coaching staff is going to

611
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Speaker 2: be forced to take this year with the turnover we're

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Speaker 2: all anticipating. Got to take a break here when we return.

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Speaker 2: NFL Network's Chief insider Ian Rapaport joins us to talk

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Speaker 2: about some of the league goings on with respect to

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Speaker 2: some key players that either enter free agency or get

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Speaker 2: tagged or maybe even traded. That's coming your way next

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Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health, This

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Speaker 2: is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 5: Welcome into One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Maddy Glab coming you live from the NFL

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Speaker 2: Combine in Indianapolis, please to be joined by Chief NFL

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Speaker 2: Insider for the NFL Network, one Iant. Good to have

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Speaker 2: you here. I know you're busy, so thanks for giving

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Speaker 2: a little bit of time. You'll be okay, You'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: First right off the bat. Here, we've got a bill

626
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Speaker 2: situation for this offseason, where as you know, about fifty

627
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: million over the cap. Yep. They've got top five and

628
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Speaker 2: number of free agents on their roster twenty two total,

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Speaker 2: and then they've got ten draft choices with which to

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Speaker 2: replenish that roster along with probably some budgetary free agent signings.

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Speaker 2: Do you see this year being different for them in

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Speaker 2: terms of what you think their roster is gonna probably

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Speaker 2: look like when we get to September, because the general

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Speaker 2: consensus is there's gonna be a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: youth movement here with this roster.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna turn over. Yeah, And that's kind of what

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Speaker 8: I was thinking, right. I mean, the Bills are in

638
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Speaker 8: a really really good place. Right When you're consistently good,

639
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Speaker 8: what happens is you have a quarterback that you need

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Speaker 8: to pay and they did it already. You have a

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Speaker 8: bunch of young stars who you need to pay, and

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Speaker 8: they've actually done that with a lot of the really

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Speaker 8: really good players, right, And so the only way to

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Speaker 8: sustain is you let guys go. And you say, like,

645
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Speaker 8: if have we replaced this guy in the roster, Well,

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Speaker 8: if we have, then you know, he goes into free agency.

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Speaker 8: He gets to go somewhere else make a lot of money.

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Speaker 8: And I trust that this personal department the Bills happen

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Speaker 8: to have a very very good personnel department. I trust

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Speaker 8: that my guys can replace them. And we've seen the

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Speaker 8: really good teams over the years have been willing to

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Speaker 8: say this fan favorite who we love and we would

653
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Speaker 8: love to have on the team has to go to

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Speaker 8: free agency, and that is okay because I trust that

655
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Speaker 8: we can either replace him or replace his contributions somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: No, speaking of exactly that, who do you think is

657
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Speaker 4: somebody who could be.

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Speaker 3: A surprise cap casualty on the Bills?

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to go there yet, because cap

660
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Speaker 8: casualties can go a couple different directions. They can go

661
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Speaker 8: a hey, your cut surely could happen, or it could

662
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Speaker 8: be a hey, would you accept this pay cut and

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Speaker 8: you know, or go out and see your value. We

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Speaker 8: view here now given your age, go out and see

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Speaker 8: your value and if you want to come back to us,

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Speaker 8: do that. It's just you know, so it's there's not

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Speaker 8: that that many like all right, just you know cuts

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Speaker 8: I mean, I have some thoughts on my head obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's so many moving parts.

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Speaker 8: And I think one thing with the Bills that makes

671
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Speaker 8: a little more complicated is guys like to be there

672
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Speaker 8: and it's a good culture and like it's a good place.

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Speaker 8: So sometimes guys would be willing to take a little

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Speaker 8: bit less to stay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we saw that to some extent. And there's

676
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Speaker 2: a compensatory formula that Brandon Bean's taken advantage of two

677
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Speaker 2: of late. That's pretty interesting too. Tremaine Edmonds is probably

678
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Speaker 2: gonna give them a compensatory pick. Maybe Leonard Floyd signs

679
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Speaker 2: on the free agent market for big money this offseason.

680
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Speaker 2: They get another one next year, so be interesting to

681
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Speaker 2: see if Brandon continues to play that game. You had

682
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Speaker 2: some news concerning Lagerius Snead and the Chiefs. A tag

683
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Speaker 2: in trade is an option here, something we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: all too often in recent years. Anyway. I remember back

685
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Speaker 2: in the back in the old days, you usued to

686
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Speaker 2: have sign and trades and then that kind of went

687
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Speaker 2: away tag and trade. Tell me about this is the

688
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Speaker 2: Chiefs are trying to like maybe explore a new ground

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Speaker 2: to remain Super Bowl contenders themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting because they've actually done this before.

692
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Speaker 8: Not a tag and trade, but they've done this model before.

693
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Speaker 8: Tyree Kill is at the end of his deal and everyone, well,

694
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Speaker 8: you know, obviously got to pay Tyreek Hill is one

695
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Speaker 8: of your best players, and instead they traded him for

696
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Speaker 8: a ton of draft picks and rebuilt their entire defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks to his one offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yes, in one offseason, and like that's how you do it, right.

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Speaker 8: And so I think if you're the Chiefs and you say,

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Speaker 8: we love Lagerius Sneed.

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Speaker 1: He is a great player.

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Speaker 8: We would love to have him on the roster, but

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Speaker 8: we have Patrick Holmes, we have Kelsey with a lot

704
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Speaker 8: of other highly paid players, and we'd love to keep

705
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Speaker 8: Chris Jones whatever that costs. Lagarious Scene is a guy

706
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Speaker 8: you can part ways with. And it's also again important

707
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Speaker 8: to remember the reason you got him was you spent

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Speaker 8: a fourth round pick very wisely and developed him. Trust

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Speaker 8: that you can do that and be willing to part

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Speaker 8: ways with him and take the draft pick conversation and

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Speaker 8: go out it again.

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Speaker 3: Let's look at the AFC East a little bit.

713
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Speaker 4: The Jets need to invest in their offensive line free agency,

714
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Speaker 4: the draft.

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Speaker 3: However you do that.

716
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Speaker 4: We said it last year and it wasn't the case

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Speaker 4: with how it all all kind of worked out. Do

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Speaker 4: you believe they will do it this offseason? And then

719
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Speaker 4: a two parter here for you, Zach Wilson and his

720
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Speaker 4: camp granted permission to seek a trade.

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Speaker 3: How do you see that going?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I do believe they

723
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Speaker 8: will rebuild their offensive line. I think last year, you know,

724
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Speaker 8: the Steelers jumped them, but they weren't going to take

725
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Speaker 8: a tackle anyway. Believing that Dwayton Brown was their left

726
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Speaker 8: tackling you know, thirty eight years old.

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Speaker 1: That was a mistake. I think it's okay to say

728
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Speaker 1: that with some sack.

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Speaker 8: Now that's said, Aaron Rodgers stays healthy, They're probably still

730
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Speaker 8: in the playoffs and whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I do think they're gonna rebuild their offensive line.

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Speaker 8: And you know, the really good players, the really good

733
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Speaker 8: teams have really good offensive line. I mean, Bill have

734
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Speaker 8: spent the offensive line and that's been really wise, like,

735
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Speaker 8: that's how you do it. Yeah, so I do think

736
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Speaker 8: they'll do that. As far as Zach Wilson, you know,

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Speaker 8: I don't know when he's gonna I do believe he's

738
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Speaker 8: gonna be traded.

739
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Speaker 1: I don't know when.

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Speaker 8: A lot of times, especially if it's for a late

741
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 8: round or it happens around the time of the draft,

742
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Speaker 8: because you get through free agency, the backup quarterbacks take

743
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Speaker 8: a little bit of a while, and then you say like,

744
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 8: all right, like how do we fill in this hole?

745
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: So that's I could see that going that time.

746
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's look at the Patriots third overall pick, and

747
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: some people are like, they're definitely taking a quarterback. They're

748
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: definitely taking a quarterback. But in their offense is a

749
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: mess in terms of talent on the offensive side of

750
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Speaker 2: the ball. There is there is some merit I think

751
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Speaker 2: to the thought of let's build up the offensive roster first,

752
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Speaker 2: maybe get a bridge veteran quarterback and then draft the QB.

753
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Speaker 2: But I can see them saying, hey, we may not

754
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Speaker 2: be up here again, let's get the guy. What do

755
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: you how do you how do you think they're thinking?

756
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: With Elliott Wolf theare and the.

757
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Speaker 8: These are the conversations, It's like, all right, we can

758
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 8: we can build.

759
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: We can build in a perfect way.

760
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Speaker 8: We can get everything we want, a lot, you know,

761
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Speaker 8: extra first rounders. We can do it perfectly and get

762
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Speaker 8: a quarterback next year. Except what if you are the

763
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Speaker 8: team that just decided not to draft Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

764
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Speaker 8: whoever it is, right like.

765
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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels this year or somebody like that.

766
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Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying, Like, what if that's who they

767
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 8: what if that's who Jane Daniels becomes. Are you the

768
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Speaker 8: team who said I'd rather get this tackle than the

769
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Speaker 8: franchise quarterback and we don't have to worry about it?

770
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Speaker 8: Like I think of what the Bills did a lot right,

771
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Speaker 8: Like I think when they traded up for Josh Allen,

772
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Speaker 8: a lot of people thought it was too much.

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Speaker 1: Turns out it was too little.

774
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Speaker 8: It's getting Josh Allen literally prices it's worth whatever, right,

775
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 8: and so to me, as long as you get the guy,

776
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 8: you figure everything else out. But that's what If the

777
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 8: Patriots think that one of those guys is a guy,

778
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 8: than the answer simple.

779
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Speaker 1: If they aren't sure, the answer is much more complicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ian, thanks for the time. We appreciate it. We

781
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: know you're busy. Get back on that beat and we'll

782
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: continue to tune into the NFL Network to see what

783
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: other news you got to break here this week. Thanks

784
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Speaker 2: for the time, awesome.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate you guys.

786
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Speaker 2: Take care. That's NFL Network Chief insider Ian Rappaport joining us.

787
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Speaker 2: We'll take a break and be back with more here

788
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Speaker 2: on One Bills Live, presented by a lot of health.

789
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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to the NFL Combine

790
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. Chris Brown, Maddi Labin, please to be

791
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: joined now by our good friend ESPN's Field Yates joining us.

792
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: He is doing some wall to wall combine coverage here.

793
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Speaker 2: The pre draft process is underway in Earnest and Field.

794
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: We got testing coming up now. We're at that portion

795
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Speaker 2: of the week where the testing starts. Who are you

796
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Speaker 2: most excited to watch once these drills get rolling here?

797
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: Do you have like a few favorites we should keep

798
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: an eye on.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So, I mean there are guys who are gonna

800
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Speaker 9: absolute like tests, like I mean just sitting at bonkers level.

801
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 9: Texas defensive tackle Byron Murphy. The second should be an

802
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 9: absolute standout the week. Edrian Cooper, linebacker from Texas A

803
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Speaker 9: and M is gonna be an.

804
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Speaker 5: Absolute star as well.

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Speaker 9: You're gonna have some very fast players. Nate Wiggins, cornerback

806
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 9: from Clemson's gonna run like crazy. Zavier Worthy, wide receiver

807
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 9: from Texas, gonna be very fast as well. If any

808
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 9: of the top flight wide receivers are gonna run, it's

809
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Speaker 9: gonna catch my attention. But I actually find the guys

810
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Speaker 9: that are most interesting now the players that maybe have

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Speaker 9: something on the line here this week as far as

812
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 9: their forty time is concerned. So I think the key

813
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Speaker 9: on Coleman, who has been a popular target for the

814
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Speaker 9: Buffalo Bills in Mark drafts. Yeap is an absolute star.

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Speaker 9: But I think he's absolutely terrific. I love everything about

816
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Speaker 9: his makeup. I think he's a heck of a football player.

817
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 9: His forty times upcoming week is going to define the

818
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Speaker 9: range for him. If he runs four four to two

819
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Speaker 9: or something like that, which I don't think he will,

820
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Speaker 9: and that's probably that would be a generous guess, but

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Speaker 9: that's like lock him into the top fifteen. If he

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Speaker 9: runs four four eight, that might mean, hey, he's a

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Speaker 9: top twenty five pick.

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Speaker 7: No questions about it.

825
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Speaker 9: If you run four or five eight, which I have

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Speaker 9: no idea where the number is going to end up,

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Speaker 9: but that has been the question is what's the long

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Speaker 9: speed look like? Then I think people say to yourself, like, historically,

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Speaker 9: how many players at a four or five eight have

830
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Speaker 9: been taken in the first round at wide receivers. So

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Speaker 9: he's an example of a guy that I might still

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Speaker 9: throw the number out because I think the players so

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Speaker 9: darn good, But those are the kind of numbers that

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Speaker 9: I think matter most. This kool aid mckinstrey cornerback from Alabama,

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Speaker 9: I would say, similar boat that forty times going to

836
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Speaker 9: go a long way and solidifying kind of the range

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Speaker 9: for him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's take this a step further because there are

839
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Speaker 4: going to be some guys that jump out the gym

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Speaker 4: this week again when it comes to testing me, is

841
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Speaker 4: there come on field you can do it? Is there

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00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: anybody else that's been available in the range of where

843
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: the Bills are picking at number twenty eight mock drafts

844
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Speaker 4: at least right now that may be gone well before

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Speaker 4: the Bills get to number twenty eight if they test very.

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Speaker 3: Well this weekend.

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Speaker 9: Is anybody that hasn't played receiver been mocked to a

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Speaker 9: Bills at twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Or a couple of defensive linemen Johnny Suton, Chop Robinson.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I could see those.

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Speaker 3: That's really about it.

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Speaker 7: That's it all right.

853
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Speaker 9: So I thought it was a law that it was

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Speaker 9: recently passed by Congress you had to mock a wide

855
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 9: receiver to the Bills. But Brian Thomas Junior is probably

856
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 9: the name that comes to mind specific to what you're asking,

857
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 9: because you can tell he's fast on tape. The question

858
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 9: is like, how fast is fast? And the answer might

859
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 9: be somewhere in the fourth threes if he runs a

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Speaker 9: four to three something with seventeen receiving touchdowns this past season,

861
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Speaker 9: most in all of SPS, I think the best second

862
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 9: level accelerator in the entire class. Like it might take

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Speaker 9: him a second to get up to speed, and then

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Speaker 9: that like, you know, yards ten through forty for him

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Speaker 9: are going to be absolutely terrific. One through ten, by

866
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Speaker 9: the way, might be great as well, but you really

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Speaker 9: see it once he gets past that first level, he's

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Speaker 9: exceptional and just a big play waiting to happen. When

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Speaker 9: you have the strongest armed quarterback or you know whatever,

870
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 9: if Josh isn't number one. He's you know, no worse

871
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 9: than three or four, right, and you can cut through

872
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 9: the win no problem.

873
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 7: Then you need guys like that.

874
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 9: And of course, with Gabe Davis as a pending free agent,

875
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 9: the need for a vertical, you know, perimeter receiver could

876
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 9: really matter a lot. So Brian Thomas Junior would be

877
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 9: a good example. Ady Mitchell from Texas, same deal, six foot,

878
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 9: four hundred and ninety six pounds, big, big game player.

879
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 9: He's played in five college football playoff game because he

880
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 9: transferred from Georgia to Texas. Scored a touchdown in all

881
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 9: five of those games.

882
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: He loves killing Alabama too.

883
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 7: He made Alabama fans not like him very much.

884
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 9: So you know how many bills I'm trying to think

885
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 9: of Bill's Alabama players are going to have to settle

886
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 9: a score with ad if they do draft him. But

887
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 9: he'd be another guy that if he runs some we're

888
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 9: in the four fours, four, four, five, then he might

889
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 9: have solidified, like you know, top twenty five ish range.

890
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard.

891
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 5: When you pick a twenty eight, Like all right, we're.

892
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 4: Putting glue on the bottom of their shoes to make

893
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: them like, yeah, Yeah, that's.

894
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: What whisper in their ear. If you're over there, hey

895
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: run a slow time. Bills really like to get you

896
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: a twenty eight.

897
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 9: Did I see that that clip go on the internet

898
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 9: recently again Brandon Bean talking about to run slow? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

899
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 9: I mean I get it.

900
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 7: I see where they're coming from.

901
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: Uh. I know this is probably hard to make a

902
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: call on because when you're picking twenty eight, there's a

903
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that's gonna happen in front of the Bills.

904
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: But could you foresee a position or two that you

905
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: think is still going to hold very good value down

906
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: there at twenty eight? Because I think a lot of

907
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: Bills fans are hoping, okay, there's a quarterback run that

908
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: even goes beyond the top three and that pushes some

909
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: talent down. Bills don't really need an offensive tackle maybe

910
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: five going front that can push some talent down. Where

911
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: do you think the positional value could be good strong

912
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: for the Bills at twenty eight?

913
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 6: Okay, So I.

914
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 9: Don't know if this is specific to the Bill only,

915
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 9: but a couple of spots where I think you're gonna

916
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 9: see like a decent run in the range that they

917
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 9: are at. I mean there's a wide receiver run because

918
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 9: there's just so many good wide receivers. I think there's

919
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 9: a cornerback run that's maybe larger than people are realized.

920
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 9: I certainly think that you can make a case for

921
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 9: six or seven first round caliber cornerbacks in this year's class.

922
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 9: I don't know how much of a priority at Wheeler

923
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 9: won't be to address the interior of the offensive line

924
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 9: for the Bills.

925
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: That might be something that is either.

926
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 9: Solved or creates more need after free agency. But there

927
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 9: are a couple of interior offensive linemen that I think

928
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 9: could be very, very good values late in the first round.

929
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 9: Graham Barton from Duke's Name You're gonna hear a lot about,

930
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 9: can play maybe all five positions. He was a left

931
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 9: tackle for the past three years after playing center as

932
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 9: a true freshman. I actually went back and recently pulled

933
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 9: up the twenty twenty tape from Graham Barton's fun to

934
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 9: see a kid and how far he's come in just

935
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 9: three years. Wow, he looked great as a freshman, I'll

936
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 9: tell you that much. But it just continues to get better.

937
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 7: So cornerback, wide receiver, interior offensive line.

938
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 9: Probably a few spots where you could see a couple

939
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 9: of good to very good prospects pushed down just because

940
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 9: the receipt I'm sorry, because the quarterbacks go early and

941
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 9: trading fields are like yeah, so those offensive tackle spots

942
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 9: certainly will be addressed early as well.

943
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: So you spoke at length with mel Kiper on your

944
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: podcast about the number one pick, the trade options, whether

945
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: it be trading justin fields or the first pick.

946
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: Why is number one so intriguing this year?

947
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Bears have so many options. And what's amazing

948
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 9: about the Bears is that. Actually, Mike Greenberg on Get

949
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 9: Up this morning, he thought, said it, Well, like they've

950
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 9: got so much influence at their fingertips.

951
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 7: Because not only do they have the number one pick,

952
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 7: they have justin field.

953
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 9: All right, So if you trade justin field where you

954
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 9: trade them, that impacts things. How much you're trading for,

955
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 9: That impacts things, whoever you trade them to. That means

956
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 9: that two or three other suitors for justin fields have

957
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 9: to find another option.

958
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 5: Right.

959
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 7: So, by the way, if you have two.

960
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 9: Or three teams trying to acquire justin fields, then the

961
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 9: price tag for justin field goes up. I don't think

962
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 9: it's going to boom into the first round, but you

963
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 9: might get a second round pick a plus, sort of

964
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 9: like the Sam Darnold trade from the Jets to the Panthers.

965
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 9: Whatever that was three years ago, now two years ago.

966
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 9: I've times relative, and then beyond that, if you're the Bears,

967
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 9: if you want to trade down from number one, the

968
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 9: question is how far do you want to go? Because

969
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 9: there are some people that feel like, hey, the Commanders

970
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 9: should trade out from two to one because they think

971
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 9: the Commanders with Cliff Kingsbury. They want to draw the

972
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 9: connection between he and Caleb Williams at USC this past year. Moreover,

973
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 9: some people feel like killt Williams is in a class

974
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 9: unto himself. Others feel like it's pretty close between these

975
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 9: three players at that quarterback spot. So if you're the Bears,

976
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 9: if you want to go from one to two, you

977
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 9: might get a haul from Washington that also includes you

978
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 9: getting the quarterback that you think is even better at

979
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 9: pick two, right yea. Meanwhile, if you're the Bears, do

980
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 9: you want to go from one to eight? If you

981
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 9: have the package that Ryan Pole's got last year was significant,

982
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 9: imagine what it could be in a second straight year

983
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 9: of doing so. When there's three quarterbacks available and more

984
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 9: than three teams who need aquarter back, So fascinating, fascinating

985
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 9: dilemma for Ryan Poles.

986
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 7: I'd imagine.

987
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 9: I think he said this a couple of days ago

988
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 9: to his media, like pretty much. He just like his

989
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 9: he has turned his phone on do not disturb now

990
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 9: because he just gets so many calls.

991
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think someone's going to overpay a ton like

992
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: never seen before.

993
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 7: You know what's crazy?

994
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 6: Ist go back?

995
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 9: Would you guys recall the compensation that the Bills paid

996
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 9: from twelve to seven a few years ago. It wasn't

997
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 9: It wasn't crazy to go from twelve to say.

998
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: They did not give up a one.

999
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 7: It was like like a two win something else and not.

1000
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: And they didn't give up a future pick either. They

1001
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: gave up picks in that draft to get from twelve

1002
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: to seven.

1003
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 9: It's amazing, Like if that trade happened again, Like again,

1004
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 9: it's a masterstroke trade for a million reasons, most notably

1005
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 9: that Josh Allen's an absent stud. But you're right, the

1006
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 9: tax this year is astronomical. In these top three quarterbacks.

1007
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 9: I keep saying it. The top being a top three

1008
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 9: pick this year absolutely stinks for the two teams that

1009
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 9: didn't get there on their own, Washington and New England.

1010
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 9: That's a terrible year. They just both went through. But

1011
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 9: it's and I'm Chicago from Carolina. It's so valuable. Yeah,

1012
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 9: and these three quarterbacks, we can sit here until April twenty.

1013
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 7: Fifth and nitpick them here.

1014
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: Nick picked them there.

1015
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 5: Kids are all really good players.

1016
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 7: They're really really good players and have a lot of

1017
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 7: value for the reason.

1018
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: Last one I've got for you concerns of dilemma. I'm having, yep,

1019
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: at the safety position. And you know, we know some

1020
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: of the top safety prospects in the draft and everything,

1021
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: and we're probably looking more Day two, Day three for

1022
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: the safety class. James Williams from Miami. I don't understand

1023
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: why he's not getting more pub I mean, I'm not

1024
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: saying he's Tyler Nubin or maybe he's not even his

1025
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: teammate Cam Kinchen's. But the kid is six three, two

1026
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty pounds and he runs and hits, and

1027
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: so I'm now I'm thinking, like, man, I wonder if

1028
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: in a bad linebacker class you could line that guy

1029
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: up at linebacker. He's big enough.

1030
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 9: I think his destiny might be as a linebacker week

1031
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 9: sent linebacker though you know what, maybe any linebacker spot.

1032
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 9: I know the Bills haven't always emphasized this hulking linebackers

1033
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 9: with you know, obviously Bernard having a breakout season last

1034
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 9: year and Milano becoming one of the best players in

1035
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 9: all the NFL.

1036
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 7: Uh, both undersized and they are imposing linebackers.

1037
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 2: What do you think about his position versatility? And then

1038
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: you know, maybe just strictly as a safety.

1039
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 9: I think he's I think if he ends up at

1040
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 9: one or the other, it actually is a linebackers. Okay, okay,

1041
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 9: you know the big question when you have his safety,

1042
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 9: that big is like how does he handle some like

1043
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 9: the deep field responsibility, opening the.

1044
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 7: Gate, getting governing that fields?

1045
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 6: Yeap?

1046
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 9: How do you actually you know, you got Tyreek Hale

1047
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 9: and Garrett Wilson in your division? Can you run with

1048
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 9: those guys down the field? But I'll say this about

1049
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 9: James Williams. The selflessness to go to the Senior Bowl

1050
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 9: and take snaps at linebacker was impressive. Like some guys

1051
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 9: are saying, why would I listen, I'm one of the

1052
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 9: best players in the country. I'm not going and changing positions.

1053
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 9: The second of all, what I saw him in a

1054
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 9: linebacker group I was doing double takes. He's bigger than

1055
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 9: the rest of those guys. I mean he is like

1056
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 9: a hulk. He is massive out there. So an intriguing

1057
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 9: player who I think will test very well this week

1058
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 9: here at the combo as well. The hightweight speed is

1059
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 9: close to off the charts.

1060
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 5: For James Williams.

1061
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's another guy that's gonna test really.

1062
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 5: Really, very very well.

1063
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1064
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 9: This safety class is intriguing. As you said, it's not starlated,

1065
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 9: but there's some guys out there Oka.

1066
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 6: Sure ye.

1067
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: Last one for me, another intriguing player, Cooper Degene.

1068
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1069
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: Mel Kuiper loves him.

1070
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 4: Mel Kuiper loved him last year when he was looking

1071
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: at Iowa tape. Do you see him as a cornerback

1072
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: or safety because you get different answers from different analysts

1073
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: where you see him play.

1074
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: He even was talking about it today.

1075
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, I don't care where I play, I

1076
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: just want to play.

1077
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1078
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 9: I think he's a corner. But the reason why I

1079
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 9: say that is because he's been a corner, right Like,

1080
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 9: he's a safety if he wants to. If your team

1081
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 9: has zero need for cornerback, but he's a corner that

1082
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 9: can play safety. He's you know, he's played in a

1083
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 9: variety of different spots riable, but was at his best

1084
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 9: and he's unafraid, and they used him this way, like

1085
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 9: just put him up in the face of your number

1086
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 9: one wide receiver and let him go toe to toe

1087
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 9: with him. He can do so in man coverage. And

1088
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 9: the bononus for Cooper Degene, on top of the fact

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00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 9: that he is versatile and play corner, can play safety,

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00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 9: springy athlete at the point contact like he is, got

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00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 9: terrific ball skills.

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00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 7: But the big bonus, he could be the best punt

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00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 7: return in the NFL.

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00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 9: He's an absolutely incredible punt return man as well.

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00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: The it was obviously called back against Minnesota.

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00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 7: Yeahs game play this past year.

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Speaker 9: And you know, the Bills obviously have an incredibly fast

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00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 9: Deontay Hardy, who had one of the biggest punt returns

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00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 9: in the past five years in the NFL with that

1100
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 9: ninety six yarder against Miami. That being said, a team

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00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 9: that's interested in Cooper Regene is not gonna hate the

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00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 9: fact that he's an electric returner as well. A great

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00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 9: kid too, I mean a ton of high character kids

1104
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 9: in this year? Is that cornerback class like Ennis Rakeshrowd,

1105
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 9: Junior Cooper Regene. I take those guys, I take twenty

1106
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 9: two of them on my team and feel really good

1107
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 9: about it.

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00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: Field, thanks for the time, has always been appreciate it.

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00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: Really happy to see his day. Yeah, I know that.

1110
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: Look at that. We lined it all up. Good to

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00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: see you getting back to your back two scouting players.

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00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 7: Also, how about this I was trying to figure out.

1113
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 7: I walked by some.

1114
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 9: Vending machine of the day and I'm like, this thing

1115
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 9: is fully stocked with Dietarctor Pepper's what's going on here?

1116
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 7: That's when I knew that Maddy was filling in.

1117
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, there was stuff left in the machine.

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00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: That's right.

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00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 5: That's right, Fields, is there like I thought it was?

1120
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 7: Like I figured there was like a Saber's home standing.

1121
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: Thanks for the time.

1122
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 7: You to one of his one of his games with

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00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 7: the tickets.

1124
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: Oh, he'll get you there. Just tell him when you're

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Speaker 2: coming in town. We got to take a break. We're

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Speaker 2: back with much more here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 2: by to Loid of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 10: These One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the NFL combine in Indianapolis. Here hour

1130
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Speaker 2: number two on a Thursday. Chris Brown, Maddy, glad with

1131
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: you and please to be joined by our good friend

1132
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: who you also see on Bill's preseason telecasts with Steve

1133
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: Tasker and Andrew Catalog. Cynthia Freeland joining us from.

1134
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 11: The NFL number you Let Tasker have the day off.

1135
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: Tasker is spending a week on vacation, so.

1136
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 11: This is a vacation.

1137
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: He's visiting his baby, granddaughter.

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00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 5: His baby.

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00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 11: Well, I guess a baby.

1140
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 12: You got me with baby, But like you know, right,

1141
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 12: can't let yeah Tasker come on?

1142
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: All right, So I'm not gonna pretend to know all

1143
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: the different metrics that you're dicing up left, right and

1144
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: center for the combine and stuff. But we're the receivers

1145
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: kind of dominating the conversation here for the Bills, knowing

1146
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: that there's a good chance gave Davis Leaves via free

1147
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: agency hole to fill, so separation for wide receivers. I

1148
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: seem to remember seeing metrics for you with receiver separation,

1149
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: Does that correlate positively to catch rade and yards after catch?

1150
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: Help me with that and spell it out, you know,

1151
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: in terms of trying because we're trying to narrow down

1152
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: the kind of receiver that might best fit that number

1153
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: two role to improve catch rate and yards after catch.

1154
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 12: But really like like if you want, if you're a

1155
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 12: fan and you want like a good sort of proto type. Now,

1156
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 12: Marvin Harrison Junior probably the best receiver in this class,

1157
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 12: but Romo Junese out of Washington has that probably what

1158
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 12: I don't want to call Gabe what they want from Gabe,

1159
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 12: what they wanted from Gabe, right, like you know, like

1160
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 12: playoff game, playoff game exactly, and that's the tech. Like

1161
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 12: I guess what I'm saying is that when you're looking

1162
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 12: at someone's resume and body of work here at the combine,

1163
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 12: it's less about one specific thing.

1164
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 11: And speed, of course is good.

1165
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 12: But the weird part about the way defenses are playing

1166
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 12: in college, like some guys play three three, five have

1167
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 12: fun with that. That's a nightmare to figure out. Texas

1168
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 12: does that? Just so Carrius, who.

1169
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 11: What's better is take a snapshot at the moment the.

1170
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 12: Ball release is released from the quarterbacks and see who

1171
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 12: is open or running.

1172
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 11: To open space.

1173
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 12: Okay, and that's the most predictive in terms of who

1174
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 12: can create like I'm talking how a fan can do it,

1175
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 12: you know, like when you're watching, when you're watching at home, Yeah,

1176
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 12: and watch Rome because that guy he can create separation

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00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 12: and can He also is great with contested catches, which

1178
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 12: is another thing that unfortunately, in the division you're in,

1179
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 12: that's gonna be a problem.

1180
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 11: You need to have some contested catches. Unfortunately, well fortunately, right,

1181
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 11: but you know, sorry, it's a hard to get it.

1182
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: I get it.

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00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 11: Sorry, it's not getting easier.

1184
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only gonna get harder, that's for sure.

1185
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 4: You released an article about analytical fits for team. Is

1186
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 4: there an analytical fit for Buffalo?

1187
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: And why?

1188
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 11: Well?

1189
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 12: I released that before we saw that the cap number

1190
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 12: went up thirty million dollars. I estimated between fifteen and

1191
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 12: twenty million dollars.

1192
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 11: So that extra ten.

1193
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 12: That's gonna change a lot of things like who can

1194
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 12: be resigned for?

1195
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 11: How much? What's the defense going to look like? Because

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Speaker 11: if I were.

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Speaker 12: Gonna just like, like just we don't know what Brenda

1198
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 12: Mean's gonna do in free agency, what I would like

1199
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Speaker 12: if I were to just drop in right now. Knowing

1200
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 12: that gave Davis kind of tweeted a goodbye or whatever,

1201
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 12: posted like there are a number of good receivers that

1202
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 12: could Unfortunately the Bills you're picking too low again.

1203
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: Man, like twenty eight.

1204
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 11: It's not great.

1205
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 12: I mean it's it's just a low note like it's

1206
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 12: it's great because if you know, the great season, but

1207
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 12: like you know, it's it's kind of it's a little

1208
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 12: easier to pick when it's like six.

1209
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 3: You know, oh, no Romodanze for the Bills.

1210
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 11: No, you're not going to get Robo dunes A.

1211
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 12: But you know, it's figuring out that flavor in the

1212
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 12: right like, is there the right corner available that could

1213
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 12: be interesting because I think that could be an area

1214
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 12: to bolster.

1215
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: All right, So let's take that a step further because

1216
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: round one you see a lot of NFL clubs gravitate

1217
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: towards the premium position, yep, corner, quarterback, offensive tackle, pass rusher,

1218
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Is there analytics support for drafting those premium

1219
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: positions because there's always exceptions? We know, you know, Dalton

1220
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: Kinkaid last year was an exception and a good one.

1221
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 11: But but he's like a receiver, do you know what

1222
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 11: I mean? Like, yes, but the locking tight.

1223
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: End do the analytics support taking those premium positions high.

1224
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 12: They do, but high to me is like sixteen fifteen,

1225
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 12: not twenty eight.

1226
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 11: It's not really high anymore.

1227
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you know.

1228
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 12: It's like the difference between like if you had and

1229
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 12: you're not in this position. But in this draft class,

1230
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 12: there are a number of good tight ends if you

1231
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 12: were able to get like the Rock Powers whatever not.

1232
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 12: The Bills shouldn't do this, but just saying like as

1233
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 12: the over the way that the tight end position and

1234
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 12: the value the tight end position, especially in recent years,

1235
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 12: if you're a pass catching.

1236
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 11: Tight end, that could be valuable enough.

1237
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 12: Like so it's really more what do I need and

1238
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 12: like what do other people think I need? Because like

1239
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 12: trading down and getting equity, like an extra fourth round picks,

1240
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 12: that's a really good plan, but at twenty eight it's

1241
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 12: kind of like, well.

1242
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: You're practically in the second round anyway.

1243
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 12: And also like you're just not gonna get like the

1244
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 12: coveted you know, trade for You're not in a spot

1245
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 12: where someone's gonna be like, hey, I gotta come up

1246
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 12: and get a quarterback unless something weird happens. I guess

1247
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 12: you could whatever, but you know, like you're not gonna

1248
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 12: like some team in the second round is like, oh,

1249
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 12: come up and give you I don't know, but to

1250
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 12: me it's it's you probably get a pick best available

1251
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 12: there for what you need.

1252
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about that twenty eighth overall pick that

1253
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: the Bills have in the first round. They're looking for players,

1254
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: and Brandon Bean has said this, they're looking for players

1255
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: who can play now because of their cap situation. Yes,

1256
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 4: the number is higher than expected, but the Bills have

1257
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 4: a lot.

1258
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: Of work to become cap compliant.

1259
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: So if you're drafting at number twenty eight, you're gonna

1260
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 4: want somebody who can play right away. We saw Dalt

1261
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: Concaid play right away as well as o Cyrus towards

1262
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 4: and it worked out really well for those two players.

1263
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 4: Who are you looking at at number twenty eight that

1264
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 4: could be available for the Bills, that could be a

1265
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: plug and play player.

1266
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 12: My Toledo cornerback won't be available. Yeah, Quinyan, Yeah, Quinyon,

1267
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 12: Like he's.

1268
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: Gonna be gone.

1269
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 11: He's gonna be gone.

1270
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 12: Like a month ago, I would have said that would

1271
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 12: have been a great pick.

1272
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: But now, yeah, lit up the Senior Bowl, I know,

1273
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: and it's going to test well.

1274
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 12: And yeah, so that that was kind of what I

1275
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 12: was looking at before. I do think that it depends

1276
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 12: on how some of these wide receivers look to and

1277
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 12: where it goes, Like there could be some weird runs

1278
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 12: on things. Perhaps you go with another corner, but I

1279
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 12: pass rusher. Those are the two that I'm sort of

1280
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 12: looking at immediately. I will have to see how it

1281
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 12: shakes out though in free agency though, because that's going

1282
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 12: to be the.

1283
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 11: Key, right and unfortunately you'll have to show their hands, right.

1284
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: And safety is not a premium position. It's not a

1285
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: great class this year, but there's going to be turnover

1286
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: on the Bill's roster at that position. So with that

1287
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: in mind, I think we're all anticipating brand and it's

1288
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: going to address that to some extent in free agency

1289
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: to try to fill some of the voids there. But

1290
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: how do you approach a position group like that when

1291
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: it's not a premium position and the class isn't good,

1292
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: Like you've got to look to your back end value? Yeah,

1293
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: and does I guess the question is do non premium

1294
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: positions present ultimate value in a certain area or is

1295
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: it just strictly round five sixty seven, Like what are

1296
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: we talking about the.

1297
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 12: Fact that like, see you say, you frame it really

1298
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 12: perfectly right, that like we have this perception that these

1299
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 12: that you you can't be drafted a safety too earlier

1300
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 12: or a running back or whatever like. But the fact

1301
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 12: is is maybe I could trade off of your assumptions.

1302
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 12: So that's where I think Brandon could be really good,

1303
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 12: really smart about this and say, well, I know that

1304
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 12: you know, there's this I don't know quarterback that another

1305
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 12: team wants to come up and get in twenty eight

1306
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 12: because then they get the.

1307
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 11: Extra year of the rookie pace go cost control, right.

1308
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 12: And I can still get my safety that I wanted,

1309
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 12: you know, Or I can still get my linebacker that

1310
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 12: I wanted in the middle of the second round, and

1311
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 12: now I've added a third round pick two where I

1312
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 12: think I can get another safety because I don't know

1313
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 12: what's I loved when they did the strategy of you know,

1314
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 12: drafting the same position multiple times.

1315
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 11: That was a couple of years ago. I thought that

1316
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 11: like that I did.

1317
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: Okay, because I think a lot of people be happy

1318
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: if the Bills two receivers in their bag by the

1319
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: end of day two in their first three picks.

1320
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Speaker 11: If it's the right ones, Like, I mean, there is

1321
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 11: a lot of nuance.

1322
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: There, you know, like like different flavors.

1323
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 12: Different flavors, who's available, what's gonna keep everyone happy?

1324
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 11: Those things matter, Cynthia, I've got one more for you.

1325
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, testing is starting, the drills are starting. You're an

1326
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 4: analytical person, So what is something that you're eager.

1327
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: To see out of these players this weekend?

1328
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 4: Is there anything that you're waiting to see, whether it's

1329
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 4: drills on the field, whether it's how guys measure things

1330
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: like that.

1331
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 12: I think that because we all need, like the quarterbacks

1332
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 12: will shape this in every draft. Right if people there's

1333
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 12: so many quarterback needy teams this year or teams that

1334
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 12: are potentially quarterback needy, we're not really sure how it's

1335
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 12: gonna net out with free agency and all these like

1336
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 12: what will the Patriots do? They have such an interesting

1337
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 12: they're picking third. Are they gonna get a free agent

1338
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 12: quarterback and then trade down and like because other teams.

1339
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: Will come like so their offense is a mess, they

1340
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: might do that.

1341
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 12: I think they're actually probably better served with a with

1342
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 12: a veteran this year and then but like they've got

1343
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 12: a lot of hoole stuff it's not a you know.

1344
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you almost set up the quarterback to fail because

1345
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: there's nothing around him exactly.

1346
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 12: So, so I'm looking at that and that could shape

1347
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,479
Speaker 12: the entire draft so differently. If there's some massive run

1348
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 12: on quarterbacks one through ten, then the Bills are getting

1349
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 12: a way different player.

1350
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah than they much better one and all like.

1351
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 11: It exactly so.

1352
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 12: But so and it's like, well, what the Raiders do

1353
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 12: they need a quarterback. They're not picking in the top

1354
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 12: five now they're thirteen exactly. So there's tons of ways

1355
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 12: that this could all shake out. So to me, getting

1356
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 12: these quarterback the thing about the quarterbacks that's so hard

1357
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 12: on all of it is everybody thinks they're.

1358
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 11: A quarterback expert and nobody is.

1359
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 12: You need to find the quarterback that fits your system,

1360
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 12: what you want to do, that you have a vision for,

1361
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 12: that can execute what you and put the right people

1362
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 12: in place to help that guy succeed. So it's I'm

1363
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 12: I'm very curious how these quarterbacks will interview. I don't

1364
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 12: even care about they like I've already seen their.

1365
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: Tape interview because I'm gonna even test.

1366
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 12: I don't know, have you seen that guy from Notre

1367
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 12: Dame's hair though, Yo, he's got to lettuce that kid.

1368
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 12: He's got like like he's like he's a very old Hartman.

1369
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you've seen the slow motion gifts? Have you

1370
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: seen that on social But I like I saw it.

1371
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: Even my wife is like, Okay, he's a guy's looking man.

1372
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 12: Yeah, but it's like it's wild though, because I mean,

1373
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 12: how are these guys interviewing?

1374
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 11: Like I've heard that.

1375
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 12: You know, Jaden Daniels is interviewing better than anyone else,

1376
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 12: But is that great interview enough for the perception to

1377
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 12: be like, well, okay, Williams isn't one anymore?

1378
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: Wow?

1379
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 11: I mean, guy, this is a good problem for the

1380
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 11: Bills because we don't bring that out so that it

1381
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 11: all happened.

1382
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 12: No, you should want all these quarterbacks to go like

1383
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 12: one through thirteen, right, Like they should go six and

1384
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 12: thirteen or five, like so then the Bills get away

1385
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 12: better player Like this is my I'm making this strategy

1386
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 12: for the Bills. I'll call Brandon.

1387
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, we like that because they don't need an

1388
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: offensive tackle either. In about five or six of them

1389
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: are going to go to in front of them, so

1390
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: that you're hoping pushes.

1391
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 12: If there's a run on on the offense, like the

1392
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 12: offensive lineman. So like I did my master siasis on

1393
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 12: these these people, these other way spenders, are they not?

1394
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 7: Etcetera.

1395
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 12: So this is a really good, good deep class for

1396
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 12: offensive linemen. But it's also like it's it's good, but

1397
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 12: it's also like flavors. Do you want this flavor or

1398
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 12: do you want that flavor? You know, there's not one

1399
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 12: guy that's like Joe Thomas. There's a few that are

1400
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 12: really good, but there's not one that's like Joe could.

1401
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 2: Do anything right. I get it. I get it. Cynthia,

1402
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: appreciate the time as always.

1403
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 11: And by the way, Kean killed it with this saying

1404
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 11: he didn't like the Jets.

1405
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 7: That was so funny.

1406
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it was as well received. Well, yeah,

1407
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: we'll see.

1408
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 3: We'll see what bulletin board Yeah, we.

1409
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: Don't like bulletin board material and it was material. Well

1410
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: what do you what do you think we'll find out.

1411
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 2: We'll find out when they play the Jets in the fall.

1412
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: They're my best friends, that's what we want to hear.

1413
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we love those guys. They're great. I love you, Cynthia.

1414
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for the time as always. We know you're busy.

1415
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Thank you very much, and we've got

1416
01:04:54,920 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: more coming up, but we'll see you in the summer. Great,

1417
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: all right, that was a good conversation with Cynthia. I

1418
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: don't know that she heard the entire Deon Dawkins interview

1419
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: that she's like, ah, what was the bulletin board material there? Well,

1420
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: there were a few choice comments made in there by him,

1421
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: but we'll let that lie and hope people forget about it.

1422
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: We need to tell you The Buffalo Bill's coverage of

1423
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four NFL Combine is presented by Ticketmaster,

1424
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 2: the official ticket marketplace of the NFL. And we've got

1425
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: a couple of things we're going to discuss with you

1426
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: while we have some free time here. But we got

1427
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 2: people holding at eight oh three five fifty. They've been

1428
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: waiting patiently, so we're gonna go there first, and we

1429
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: go to Mike in Williamsport to lead us off. What

1430
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: do you got for us?

1431
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 13: Mike, Hey, Chris and Maddie, thank you for taking my call. Sure,

1432
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 13: I just wanted to say I think the Bill should

1433
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 13: try to retain Tyler Rapp and put him in the mix.

1434
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 13: Okay at safety, and I know there's not a lot

1435
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 13: of depth a safety, but it would be something to

1436
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 13: keep a hold of, to get some kind of you know,

1437
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 13: depth there. What do you guys think?

1438
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: Right, Well, why don't you tell me this first? Mike,

1439
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: what did you like about Taylor raps game in the

1440
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 2: year you saw him in a Bill's uniform.

1441
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 13: Well, I like, uh, when Poyer I think I believe

1442
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 13: it as Poyer was down for a little bit, he he

1443
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 13: heiled his own. I mean that's what I think. Like,

1444
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 13: if player stays and hide Hyde retires, I think he'd

1445
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 13: be he'd be good there in that position, just to

1446
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 13: kind of keep it going. But if you find a

1447
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 13: better safety, like mcdermot's always looking for players to you know,

1448
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 13: they earned the right to play on the field, So

1449
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 13: I mean, I wouldn't put rap on the field, but

1450
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 13: i'd try to retain them and then get some competition

1451
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 13: in there, you know what I mean.

1452
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fun that you bring this up, Mike,

1453
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: and thanks for the call. But Maddy and I were

1454
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: just having this discussion with Greg Cosel, who's just kind

1455
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: of hanging out here and we'll have him on the

1456
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: show tomorrow. Incidentally to talk receivers with us and what

1457
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: he sees on film from them. But we were talking

1458
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: to him about how the Bills are going to navigate

1459
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: what is kind of a sneaky positional need for them

1460
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: because Cam Lewis is also a free agent who obviously

1461
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: has been a reserve safety for the team, Taylor rap

1462
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: is a free agent, and Micah Hyde, we believe is

1463
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: contemplating retirement at thirty three years of age. You couple

1464
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: that with the fact that Jordan Poyer turns thirty three

1465
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: at some point this year. He's still under contract, but

1466
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: he has an eight million dollar cap figure. And here's

1467
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: the rub for me, Maddie. Taylor Rapp and Jordan Poyer

1468
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: are similar kinds of safeties. They play up closer to

1469
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. They're not covering the half field

1470
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: on the back end if you're single safety high and

1471
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So if you're keeping Poyer, I don't

1472
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: know that you re sign Taylor rep. Now that's under

1473
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: the assumption that you think Jordan Poyer is still an

1474
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: everyday strong safety. There are some that believe that he's

1475
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 2: not quite the same player he was when he walked

1476
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: in the door at one Bill's Drive seven years ago,

1477
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: and I understand why. So there may need to be

1478
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: a decision made there is the CAB figure too high

1479
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: for someone that might not be playing every down. And then,

1480
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: as we discussed, the free agent market is flooded with

1481
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: starting caliber safety talent that I think most would say

1482
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,440
Speaker 2: has a healthy number of players that might be considered

1483
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: more talented than Taylor rep And the free agent market, Yeah.

1484
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 4: The conversation changer here could be the safety market.

1485
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 3: Is just so so.

1486
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 4: So saturated with talented starters, with guys who could play

1487
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 4: on day one, not saying they're all younger players, but

1488
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 4: with a lot of players who could be plug and

1489
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 4: play within this defense that maybe you might want to

1490
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 4: look elsewhere because of the talent that's going to be

1491
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 4: available within that position group that you might not have

1492
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 4: to pay top dollar for because the market is so saturated.

1493
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 4: Another part of this conversation that we had was what

1494
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 4: type of defense do we think the Bills will be

1495
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 4: playing in for the majority of the season next year,

1496
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 4: And a big part of that is Matt Milano's health.

1497
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 4: We saw the Bills play quite a bit of dime

1498
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 4: last season when Matt Milano came out, they decided to

1499
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 4: plug Jordan Poyer into that linebacker spot, and then incomes

1500
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 4: Taylor Rap. To the equation, do we think Matt Milano

1501
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 4: is going to be on the field in Week one?

1502
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 4: If so, do we think this team would be playing

1503
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 4: as much dime? Probably not, because Matt Milano is one

1504
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: of the best within that position group in the NFL,

1505
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 4: one of the best linebackers in the NFL. So that's

1506
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 4: another part of this equation is what type of defense

1507
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 4: would this team be in in the majority of the season.

1508
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Matt Mullano's healthy, you're probably playing nickel ninety

1509
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: eight percent of the time. Again, as had been the

1510
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: case when you had two healthy starting linebackers, and that

1511
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 2: would be Bernard and Milano, And I think everybody would

1512
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: would agree that you're probably better served to have Milano

1513
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: and Bernard on the field in a nickel coverage situation

1514
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: rather than Poyer and Rap along with Bernard, you know,

1515
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: as a trio. Knowing that Poyer, for all intents and purposes,

1516
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: is considered a safety even though he was technically playing

1517
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 2: Milano's linebacker role. It was nickel, but it was sixty

1518
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: b's So it turns into dime, So it's a matter

1519
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: of semantics, but Milano's health and how he comes through

1520
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: the off season, And we had Brandon Bean on the

1521
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: show here telling us he's really not going to be

1522
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: ready until the pads go back on, and even then

1523
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 2: it might be in a limited capacity. So we're talking

1524
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: training camp because that's when the pads go back on

1525
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 2: full time. So it's going to be a while, i think,

1526
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: before they have a firm read on where Milano's going

1527
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: to be and if he's going to be full go

1528
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: by week one capable of playing you know, sixty seventy

1529
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 2: snaps a week, so it's a wait and see, and

1530
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: they may have to make a decision on Jordan Ployer's

1531
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 2: CAP number to help them get CAP compliant long before

1532
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: that because they have to be cap compliant in two weeks.

1533
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: So there's there's a there's a state of flux here

1534
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 2: with the safety position that I think is a sneaky

1535
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: positional need for Buffalo here going forward, and that's that's

1536
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: the trick right now. They've got to figure that out,

1537
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 2: and it's sometimes it's hard to figure that out when

1538
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: you don't have all the information you wish you had.

1539
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I spoke with Brandon Bean last night. That

1540
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 4: interview will go out on Buffalo Bill's dot com, I

1541
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 4: would say within the next couple days.

1542
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 3: And I asked him about that.

1543
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 4: Safety position and a fresh start for that safety position

1544
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 4: and starting to think about this accession plan and having

1545
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 4: two new guys in there, because it's not like you're

1546
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: gonna get five more years out of Micah Hide and

1547
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 4: Jordan Poyer at that position group. Knowing that Micah Hyde

1548
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 4: is a free agent, maybe he comes back for a season,

1549
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 4: maybe he doesn't, but you have to start thinking about

1550
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 4: the future of that position group.

1551
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: And I also looped into that.

1552
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 4: Question to him, as you know, you see these two

1553
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 4: players play for seven years together at the highest level

1554
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 4: you can play within the NFL. The amount of interceptions

1555
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 4: those two were able to grab, they made a name

1556
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 4: for themselves dynamic safety duo. A lot of people across

1557
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 4: the league knew those two players, and you talk about

1558
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 4: them within the same breath because they help each other

1559
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 4: be their best selves.

1560
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 3: It must be a little bit tough to have.

1561
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 4: That for seven straight years and then have to start

1562
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 4: thinking beyond that without having Oh, I want another Micah

1563
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 4: Hyde and another Jordan Poyer in the back of my mind,

1564
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 4: because that's not gonna be out there. The exact replica

1565
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 4: of a Micah Hyde and a Jordan Ployer aren't out there.

1566
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: Right, It's unlikely that you're that fortunate to get a

1567
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: tandem that played so well off each other for so

1568
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: long again. And then even if you do, the likelihood

1569
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 2: of having that tanement together for as long as they

1570
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: did seven years is just as unlikely, if not more so.

1571
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 5: So.

1572
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately, I think we're coming to the end of

1573
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: what was a very special time in Buffalo's secondary and

1574
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: it's on Buffalo's personnel department and the coaching staff to

1575
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: put their heads together to find out what new combinations

1576
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 2: they can locate, afford and pull together within the framework

1577
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 2: of the scheme to make it every bit as effective

1578
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: as the group that you know has probably come to

1579
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 2: their end of their time together in Buffalo Secondary. It's

1580
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: kind of a watershed moment. It's like it's weird almost

1581
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: it is.

1582
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 4: It's signaling in ways a new chapter for this entire

1583
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 4: higher team. I mean, they were there in twenty seventeen,

1584
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 4: now we're heading into twenty twenty four.

1585
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: Might not be the same they were.

1586
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: Two of the first free agent signees after Sean McDermott

1587
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: was hired as head coach. Micah Hyde was kind of

1588
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 2: a known commodity. Jordan Poyer was not, and what they

1589
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: did with those opportunities was truly remarkable. And two guys

1590
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: that Poyer maybe especially that may merit Wall of Fame

1591
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: consideration with If you look at his career numbers among

1592
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: defensive backs in the history of the team, it is

1593
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: right at the top in several categories. I think he's

1594
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: going to merit some consideration for that down the line

1595
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 2: in the future. We got to take a break here

1596
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: because when we come back, we're going to be joined

1597
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: by another NFL Network insider. We had Ian Rappaport at

1598
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: the top of the show. We're going to kick off

1599
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Speaker 2: the final half hour this Thursday edition of One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live with NFL Networks. Tom Pellicero will hear what news

1601
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: breaking items he has for us when we return here

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01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 2: Bills Radio Here at the NFL Combine. Welcome back to

1604
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Chris Brown medic Lab with you here

1605
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, and please to

1606
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: be joined now by NFL Insider for NFL Network, Tom Peli, Serra. Tom,

1607
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: thanks for spending some time with us. We know it's

1608
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: a very busy week for you working the phones and

1609
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 2: doing what you do, so we'll begin right here. We're

1610
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: jump right in. We know that this is cap compliance

1611
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: season and the Bills have a lot of work to

1612
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: do there as you know, and they've already started. You

1613
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: kind of broke the news about Connor McGovern's restructure earlier

1614
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: this week, but that's just the tip of the iceberg here.

1615
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot more work to be done. Do you

1616
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: sense and maybe based on your experience with teams this

1617
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:53,520
Speaker 2: far over the cap, more cap casualties restructures or contract

1618
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 2: extensions is there. I mean, you've got to have a balance,

1619
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: can't do all one thing. But how do you kind

1620
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: of see the Bills getting to where they need to

1621
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: be in a couple of weeks.

1622
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 10: When you have a team that is built to win

1623
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 10: right now and that should be a contender, you're usually

1624
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 10: going to see them borrowing from the future. Because that's

1625
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 10: the biggest misconception about when we talk about the salary

1626
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 10: cap and cuts and all these things. It's every dollar

1627
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 10: you spend hits the cap. Eventually, there's no cap magic,

1628
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 10: there's no way. Everybody, Okay, they're redoing these contracts. How

1629
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 10: the cap doesn't he just no, it does exist, and

1630
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 10: that bill comes due eventually.

1631
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 5: If you run up a credit card.

1632
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 10: Bill somewhere down the line, somewhere in the future, you

1633
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 10: either die or you pay it. Okay, and the NFL

1634
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 10: is certainly not going to die, so at some point

1635
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 10: it becomes due. But you are able to borrow short

1636
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 10: term money. You can roll things into the future. The

1637
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 10: bills are one of those units in that spot. And

1638
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 10: so for a guy like Connor McGovern, who you might

1639
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 10: have been sitting there going okay, could he be a

1640
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 10: cap casualty you No, Instead, they flip it to a

1641
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 10: signing bonus. They actually guarantee it so he sticks around.

1642
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 10: You certainly could see more of those, and those are

1643
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 10: what we call the simple restructures, where you're just taking

1644
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 10: money that was previously based salary you converted into a

1645
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 10: signing bonus. It buys you space. But again that bill

1646
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 10: does become doing the future.

1647
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: And Josh is probably one of those guys because there's

1648
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 2: a cap conversion option there, that's pretty straightforward. You might

1649
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: be able to wipe out half of that number, right, and.

1650
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 5: That's the whole thing.

1651
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 10: And quarterbacks are the easiest one to do because once

1652
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 10: you get passed that first year of the contract usually

1653
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 10: and I off the top of my head camera exactly

1654
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 10: how Joshua structure, but I'm pretty sure was big signing bonus,

1655
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 10: slow base salary in year one. That's how most of

1656
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 10: those are. Well, then once you get past that, you've

1657
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 10: got these big bay salaries, so every year you can

1658
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 10: go into the piggy bank. What you want to be

1659
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 10: cautious about always is all of a sudden, you do

1660
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 10: that so many times and you add voidable years, which

1661
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 10: wasn't the thing that was really common, but more and

1662
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 10: more team did it coming out of COVID when the

1663
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 10: cap took the one year dip.

1664
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 5: Well, now, the fact that the cap goes way up.

1665
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 10: You wouldn't think just because the cap goes up for everyone,

1666
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 10: everybody's got more spending power.

1667
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 5: You wouldn't think it ultimately matters.

1668
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 10: But the number of gms who've said to me this week, well,

1669
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 10: good thing that cap went up, because that saves us

1670
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 10: from some hard decisions. A lot of teams are budgeting

1671
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 10: for two forty three, two forty five, it comes into

1672
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 10: two fifty five. It's actually ten million dollars you're playing

1673
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 10: with now. Well, but cap space is eternal. It doesn't

1674
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 10: mean you got to burn through all of you. You can

1675
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 10: roll over anything if you don't use and everybody's always

1676
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 10: trying to strike that balance.

1677
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 4: Let's slip to what's going on at the combine this

1678
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 4: week in the NFL Draft, one team who has quite

1679
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 4: a bit of power is the Bears. They hold the

1680
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 4: number one pick. Do they trade justin fields? Do they

1681
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 4: draft a quarterback with that number one overall pick? What

1682
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 4: have you been hearing out of that camp and why

1683
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 4: do you think that first overall pick is going to

1684
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 4: be so interesting this year?

1685
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 10: Ryan Puls came to the podium the other day and said,

1686
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 10: I don't have a quarterback master plan to unveil, contrary

1687
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 10: to reports here, listen, this is a data gathering mission

1688
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 10: for the Bears. We're still two months out from the draft,

1689
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 10: but we're less than two weeks away from free agency,

1690
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 10: and ideally, if you're going to trade a quarterback, you're

1691
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 10: hoping to get in the case justin Fields. You know,

1692
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 10: a first round pick could be great realistically, maybe it's

1693
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 10: something with conditions, it starts out as a two or

1694
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 10: three whatever. But when you're making a trade of that

1695
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 10: type of magnitude, you're going to want to do it

1696
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 10: before free agency starts, because that's when other teams start

1697
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 10: to make different moves. Things dry up. I don't want

1698
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 10: to bring it to a head if in fact, that's

1699
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 10: direction they're going to go. I think that a lot

1700
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 10: of signs are pointing toward them drafting a quarterback, and

1701
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 10: there's a lot of reasons for that.

1702
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 5: It's not all about.

1703
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 10: Justin Fields and the inconsistency in his play, although that's

1704
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 10: certainly a component here, but it's also about you know,

1705
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 10: we just talked about the salary cap.

1706
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 5: It's the long term management.

1707
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 10: When you are a team that goes into year four

1708
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 10: of a quarterback contract, you're usually trying to pay that

1709
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 10: guy right now if you're convinced he's the franchise guy. Well,

1710
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 10: the Bears don't seem certainly sold on doing an extension

1711
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 10: right now with Justin Fields, so you're going to have

1712
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 10: to pay him sooner than later. All of a sudden,

1713
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 10: that changes what you can do with the rest of

1714
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 10: your roster where if you draft a capable it was,

1715
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 10: or whoever it might be, you reset that clock. You

1716
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 10: have that guy at a cheap rate for the next

1717
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 10: four years, relatively speaking, and that can allow you to

1718
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 10: make a bunch of other moves. So I think that

1719
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 10: internally they've got a pretty good idea what direction they're

1720
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 10: going to go. Reading the tea leaves of it going

1721
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 10: all the way back to the offensive coordinator decision, it

1722
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 10: has seemed like they're building for Caleb Williams to come

1723
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 10: in here, but there's no Again, there was no rush

1724
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 10: coming into this week. Have the conversations talk to Caleb

1725
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 10: believes for the first time. You really haven't spent a

1726
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 10: lot of time with him here, so you have your

1727
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 10: initial meeting with him.

1728
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 5: At least she's not gonna do anything on the field.

1729
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 10: You're not gonna get medical, but at least having that

1730
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 10: conversation figure out can he be from a personality standard,

1731
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 10: is this a fit? That conversation needs to take place,

1732
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 10: Not to mention all the other conversations they can have

1733
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 10: with other teams about justin fields or maybe even people

1734
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 10: trying to blow them away with an offer to get.

1735
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: To them, right, because I think a lot of people

1736
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: forget it's also a decision for that other team because

1737
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: there's a quarterback involved in whatever trade you make, namely

1738
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: justin field. So it's a big decision for anybody you're

1739
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: talking turkey with right now too. That's I think the

1740
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 2: other part of the equation that maybe doesn't get as

1741
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: much notice out there when they're just thinking about, oh,

1742
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 2: what the bear is gonna get. So it's an interesting

1743
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: conversation from both sides if you kind of look at

1744
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 2: it that way. Speaking of big decisions, I think we're

1745
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: all anticipating the Dolphins are going to have an extension

1746
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: lined up for Tua here, which is going to be

1747
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: a major, major investment, And they also got a guy

1748
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 2: that is looking to make over twenty million dollars a

1749
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: year on the defensive side of the ball in Christian Wilkins.

1750
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 2: Do you think they can make both work in the

1751
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: same off season? Well, well, I mean with fitted under that,

1752
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean they're fifty over two, right, Well, I mean

1753
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: there's there's a couple of different things here. For one thing,

1754
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 2: Tua would be on his fifty year options. You're talking

1755
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: about the lump sum hitting the cap right now.

1756
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 10: Uh, if you do an extension, it's actually gonna drop

1757
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 10: hell cap number. So that's going to help you in

1758
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 10: twenty twenty four, even though it's obviously going to put

1759
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 10: a lot more on the books into future years. With

1760
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 10: Christian Wilkins, they're in a spot where you remember the

1761
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 10: franchise tag would all hit a one year too, and

1762
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 10: for defensive tackles it's a pretty big number. So you

1763
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 10: would like to get extensions done with both of them

1764
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 10: if you can. You know, they're they obviously they're going

1765
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 10: to release Exavian Howard at the start of the league year.

1766
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 10: There are some other moves that they're probably gonna have

1767
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 10: to make. There's some Ava's another guy they moved on from.

1768
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 10: They don't know one with Toront Armstead. Is he going

1769
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 10: to continue to play because he's got a really big

1770
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 10: number and some money that fully vests in a couple

1771
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 10: of weeks here, So a lot of moving parts. But

1772
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 10: you know, Tua, he did exactly what they asked him

1773
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 10: last year, which was just stay healthy, do whatever you.

1774
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 5: Got to do. He's doing the Jude or whatever it

1775
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 5: was and making.

1776
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 10: Sure that he knows how to fall the right way

1777
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 10: and it sounds silly, but like it was a big deal.

1778
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 10: It was a big deal because he can't afford to

1779
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 10: take head hints. Yeah, at this stage, he played at

1780
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 10: a high level. There are a lot of things that

1781
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 10: happened down the stretch when they're playing without Raheem Moster

1782
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 10: and they're playing without Jalen Waddle, And I know that

1783
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 10: every Bills fan is watching this and saying, don't make

1784
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 10: excuses for the Dolphins.

1785
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 5: Bills one, fair and square. Anybody's got injuries.

1786
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 10: Like it's an injury league, man, you know, like the

1787
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 10: Bills have been through a lot of different stuff. You

1788
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 10: go back to twenty twenty two, they had just a

1789
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 10: remarkable string of injuries even before the Damorrow Hamblin situation.

1790
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 5: You know, Vaughn going down early in.

1791
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 10: This for the Chiefs game, right, So, yeah, everybody's got

1792
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 10: injuries a lot of it. It just comes down to

1793
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 10: when are they timed up? Usually not every time, but

1794
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 10: usually if you look at the teams that are there

1795
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 10: at the end, they're the teams that.

1796
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 5: Avoided those catastrophic type.

1797
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 10: Of injuries or just didn't have guys with the little

1798
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 10: knicks that they're missing a week or two.

1799
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 5: When you have must win type of games.

1800
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 3: Let's stay in the AFC East here.

1801
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 4: What are you hearing about the new philosophy in Foxborough

1802
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 4: and the strategy that Elliott Wolf is going to use

1803
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 4: to get the Patriots to become a team who can

1804
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 4: match the talent in the AFC East.

1805
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 5: Well, it'll be fascinating to see.

1806
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 10: And I've known Elliott a long time because I worked

1807
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 10: with the Green Bay Prescazette back in the day and

1808
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 10: he was a young scout up becoming at that time.

1809
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 10: His dad's the legend Ron Wolf who helped rebuild the

1810
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 10: Packers in the nineties into you know, the bred far

1811
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 10: of Reggie White Packers that everybody remembers fondly, at least

1812
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:25,879
Speaker 10: from my childhood.

1813
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 5: You know, Elliott's a really sharp guy.

1814
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 10: He's brought in some other people that are have a

1815
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 10: background in Green Bay include a Lonzo high Smith who

1816
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 10: was with him, also went to Cleveland with him when

1817
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 10: John Dorris who was the GM there.

1818
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 5: But they know they need a lot.

1819
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 10: I think that that's fair to say Patriots have a

1820
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 10: lot of cap space. They've got a really low cash

1821
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 10: spend as well, just based upon the way that they

1822
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 10: structed to think.

1823
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,879
Speaker 5: They got a ton of free agents.

1824
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 10: Like I mean, I think essentially this is a slight hyperbole,

1825
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 10: but like their entire receiver group of offensive line is

1826
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 10: a free agent. So if not about major major turnover

1827
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 10: on that team, and then you don't know that you

1828
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 10: have the quarterback answer. Mac Jones is still undercom He's

1829
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 10: entering year four on his deal. I find it hard

1830
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 10: to believe that mac Jones is gonna be the starting

1831
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 10: quarterback of the Patriots. It would really really surprise me.

1832
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 10: But as of now, it's still in the roster. So yeah,

1833
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 10: you've got a lot of different things that you're sorting

1834
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 10: through there, and what they're gonna have to decide is, listen,

1835
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 10: we don't ever want to be drafted number three again.

1836
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 10: So do we take the quarterback now and then try

1837
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 10: it up between spending money and other things you can

1838
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 10: do in the draft build around him, or do you

1839
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 10: trade back mass more assets knowing this is a bigger

1840
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 10: term build and then hope you got a different quarterback

1841
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 10: option that's out there for you.

1842
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 5: It's gonna be really interesting.

1843
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 2: Last one for you. There's a thought that Gabe Davis

1844
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: is probably moving on, that someone will pay him in

1845
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: free agency and it'll be too rich for Buffalo's blood.

1846
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: People are trying to connect the dots already. They think

1847
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: because Ken Dorsy's in Cleveland now that the Browns could

1848
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,759
Speaker 2: be interested. Who are you hearing that might be interested

1849
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: in Davis's services? On the free agent Mark.

1850
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 10: Well, I think that a good way to figure out

1851
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 10: free agency is often figuring out what coaches went someplace

1852
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 10: else and who might be trying to bring that guy over.

1853
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 10: I would ANTICI peton Browns are going to be in

1854
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 10: the receiver market. Amari Cooper's been really good since he

1855
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 10: got to Cleveland for I think it was a fifth

1856
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 10: round pick a couple of years ago because the Cowboys

1857
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 10: didn't want to pay his salary, and I end up

1858
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 10: getting that guy who's really good. But they need that

1859
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 10: dynamic guy opposite him, and so Gabe Davis would make

1860
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 10: a lot of sense. Mean, I think there's a bunch

1861
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 10: of teams that are going to be in on Gabe Davis.

1862
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 10: I mean, if you look at the wide receiver market,

1863
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 10: Mike Evans is obviously a really interesting one. He's an

1864
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 10: older player at this point, but he's still getting his

1865
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 10: thousand yards every single season. I know the Bucks want

1866
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 10: to keep him we'll see whether or not that's a possibility.

1867
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 10: After him, You've got this group of players and Gabes

1868
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 10: right there at the top of it. Receiver market can

1869
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 10: always be funny, just based on you know, there's always

1870
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 10: a couple of deals they get done in the first

1871
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 10: day or two of free agency. They're like balkers. It's

1872
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 10: the Christian Kirk eighteen million dollars a year. It's Corey

1873
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 10: Davis getting whatever was eleven million dollars a year a

1874
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 10: few years ago, you know, gave with Gabe Davis like

1875
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 10: he that deal could be anywhere twelve to fifteen million

1876
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 10: dollars a year. I mean, Gabe Davis is going to

1877
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 10: get paid here. It's gonna be challenge jen for the

1878
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 10: Bills to bring him back. He sounds like a guy

1879
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 10: who maybe wants a fresh start here. One way or another,

1880
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 10: he's gonna get his money.

1881
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 2: Tom, thanks as always for the time appreciated. We know

1882
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 2: you're busy, so thanks for making some time for us.

1883
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. We're gonna take a break here, be

1884
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 2: back with plenty more on one Bills Live, presented by

1885
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: a Lot of Health.

1886
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 5: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1887
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: All right back here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

1888
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Maddi lab with you, a few minutes left

1889
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 2: with you here on this Thursday edition. As we were

1890
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 2: wall to wall with guests today, two NFL Network insiders

1891
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: with Tom Pella Sero and Ian Rappaport. And then we

1892
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 2: had our good friend Field Yates and obviously Cynthia Freeland

1893
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 2: friend of the show as well. And we've got, you know,

1894
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 2: another big schedule tomorrow. This is Maddie's last day as

1895
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 2: my co host. She's got to get to a wedding

1896
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: this weekend leave, so she is at a dodge here

1897
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: tonight in Indy. So we will have Chris trapay So

1898
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: from CBS Sports co hosting with me tomorrow, and obviously

1899
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: he's plugged into the draft prospects as well since that's

1900
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: his chief responsibility over at cbssports dot com. But also

1901
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: on the show tomorrow, we will have Jim Naggy, who

1902
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: is the executive director at the Senior Bowl, so we'll

1903
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 2: get thoughts from him on some of the seniors in

1904
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: this class since he saw them up close and personal

1905
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 2: for a full week and scouted them himself. And then,

1906
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: as we have on a lot of Fridays during the

1907
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 2: calendar year, especially during the season. Our good friend Greg

1908
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 2: Cosel from NFL Films, who is here. He actually just

1909
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: headed over to the stadium because workouts begin, Maddie today,

1910
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 2: it's defensive lineman in the forty yard dash starting at

1911
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: three o'clock on NFL Network. So right after we're off

1912
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 2: the air, the big guys are going to be running.

1913
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: And I know the forty time is going to be

1914
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 2: important for players like Chop Robinson from Penn State. Obviously

1915
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner, one of the top pass rushers in the league,

1916
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: and even a guy like a Darius Robinson who two

1917
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty six pounds. I mean, if he runs

1918
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: anything in the vicinity of a four to eight or

1919
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 2: under for a man that size, that's pretty good. I

1920
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: mean he runs a four to seven, people are gonna

1921
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: have their eyes popping out of here.

1922
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 4: How about a guy like Tovandrei Sweat who weighed in

1923
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 4: at three sixty six as well.

1924
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: I want to see what he runs in the.

1925
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 2: Forty People love watching fat people run.

1926
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 3: They can still move.

1927
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 4: These these college football players who are big body defensive linemen.

1928
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 4: The quick feet that they have is amazing.

1929
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: He weighed in at three sixty six today, right three

1930
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 2: sixty six. It was listed at three sixty two at Texas.

1931
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 2: We talked to Dan Brugler yesterday and he was like, well,

1932
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 2: he was playing at over three seventy at times for Texas,

1933
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 2: so the weight is a concern, but if he can

1934
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: still move carrying all that, it may not matter. Somebody's like,

1935
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: let's get that guy because he's gonna plug up two gaps,

1936
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 2: plug out two gaps in the run front for you.

1937
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: And we know the Bills are in the market for

1938
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 2: defensive tackles and defensive ends, so you may want to

1939
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: keep an eye on some of these people testing along

1940
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 2: the defensive line. Linebackers also testing later on this evening,

1941
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: and then on Friday it's DB's you want to see

1942
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: some speedsters. Tune in tomorrow at three after we're off

1943
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: the air because they'll be running those dbs in the

1944
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: forty as well.

1945
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: Wide receivers and quarterbacks are talking to media tomorrow as well.

1946
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 2: That's right, they are, and then they test over the weekend. Maddie,

1947
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: thanks for all your help this week. It's been a blast.

1948
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: We'll catch you tomorrow here at one o'clock.