Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every
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Speaker 1: it's on auto focus. Whatever. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: news get into today. It is Thursday on this program,
Speaker 1: and you know what that means. We got a w
Speaker 1: Dynamite to talk about last night, very very exciting edition
Speaker 1: of Dynamite. And on top of that, we've got, of course,
Speaker 1: the debuts of the two big surprises, who were in
Speaker 1: fact the two big surprises that I predicted yesterday. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about those later, but first, a couple of deaths
Speaker 1: to our ports. Uh Super Munyako passed away at fifty
Speaker 1: nine following a battle with health issues. He had been
Speaker 1: hospitalized in serious condition due to a long issue from
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. So for all of you that are decided
Speaker 1: this pandemic is over, It's not over for everybody. He
Speaker 1: was hospitalized lung issue. They actually he was out of
Speaker 1: the hospital and on Monday show we had reported that
Speaker 1: he was recuperating, but then he took a turn for
Speaker 1: the worst and passed away. He wrestled in a clown
Speaker 1: gimmick part of Los Trios Fantasia with Super Ratone and
Speaker 1: Super Pinocco doing a Pinocchio gimmick for kids. So sad
Speaker 1: story there and also passing away, I believe also as
Speaker 1: a result of COVID complications are Touro rivera longtime announcer
Speaker 1: for Lucha Libre A Triple A, passed away at the
Speaker 1: age of sixty seven. They confirmed the news on social
Speaker 1: media Wednesday. Hospitalized due to multiple health problems. Family recently
Speaker 1: requested a blooded donors. For those of you that watched uh, well,
Speaker 1: for me, it was my glory period watching Lucci every week,
Speaker 1: Triple A and CMLL in the early two thousand's. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was one of the voices of commentary with Dr
Speaker 1: Alfonso morale As so very said story there as well.
Speaker 1: You have comments in any of those, you can text
Speaker 1: us with your memories. We'll get into all of the
Speaker 1: news with Mike Simpler viv after the break. Lots to
Speaker 1: get into today back in a moment of Server Live.
Speaker 1: So I got a bunch of twitch homies here today
Speaker 1: because YouTube ain working. That's why it's always good make
Speaker 1: sure that you have a subscription to twitch dot tv
Speaker 1: slash Chef four W video in case things like that
Speaker 1: happened and YouTube is not working. But you know what's
Speaker 1: working is a lot of the things going on in
Speaker 1: in a W. You guys forget who the two surprises
Speaker 1: were last night. You know it's funny is uh we
Speaker 1: did a show yesterday and I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: who they're gonna be, but I'll tell you I think
Speaker 1: they are. I think it's Keith Lee and j White
Speaker 1: and uh so I think it's brilliant Rose. We've got
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that they get clips of this
Speaker 1: show and they put it up on They put the
Speaker 1: clips up on YouTube, and man, you you think my actually,
Speaker 1: the the the YouTube comments are not as bad as
Speaker 1: my Twitter mentions, but there's some there's some dumb people there,
Speaker 1: and a couple of people are like god, Brian and Dave,
Speaker 1: They spoil all sorts of things from from w W,
Speaker 1: and they never spoil anything for a W. Like, first off,
Speaker 1: the names I gave where the names that actually showed
Speaker 1: up on Wednesday night, And uh, you wanna know why
Speaker 1: we almost never spoil anything from a W. I never
Speaker 1: know what's going on. I don't know if everyone's required
Speaker 1: to sign n d s or something like that, or
Speaker 1: maybe they're just like, you know, whatever, But I never
Speaker 1: know what's going on in advance in a W. I
Speaker 1: I figured it was j White and Keith Lee, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know for sure. But I I told you
Speaker 1: what I knew, and that's what they ended up being.
Speaker 1: So the story of this is on Friday, I don't
Speaker 1: have his tweet in front of me, but Tony Khan
Speaker 1: made some comment about how somebody was going to step
Speaker 1: through the forbidden door and they were going to sign
Speaker 1: a contract with a W and listen, I don't really
Speaker 1: care much about the verbiage of forbidden door, but some
Speaker 1: people are really hung up on it if he says
Speaker 1: the forbidden door. So, uh, Tony heard all of this
Speaker 1: criticism because people were expecting it to be someone from
Speaker 1: New Japan, because New Japan has traditionally been what is
Speaker 1: considered the forbidden door, because for a while it wasn't
Speaker 1: for in door. There was there were political issues between
Speaker 1: a W and New Japan, and so that was the
Speaker 1: forbidden door. A W guys weren't going to New Japan.
Speaker 1: New Japan wasn't going, they weren't working together. So Tanahashi
Speaker 1: did a a promo and he wanted to step through
Speaker 1: the forbidden door. He said to go to a W. Well,
Speaker 1: you know kind of went all over the internet this
Speaker 1: forbidden door, and so Tony, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he trademarket or whatever, but he's he's using the
Speaker 1: forbidden door term. So you know, he heard over the weekend,
Speaker 1: like everyone expecting it to be Keith Lee. But Keith
Speaker 1: Lee wouldn't technically be the forbidden door. He's a free agent.
Speaker 1: So once he heard that this was what was being
Speaker 1: discussed with fans, he went to New Japan and he said,
Speaker 1: can I get j White? Because now people are expecting
Speaker 1: somebody from New Japan to UH to show up, So
Speaker 1: all of this speculation. I've had this speculation about j
Speaker 1: White for like three weeks now. It was never the
Speaker 1: plan to like Sunday Now, the reason I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be j White was because if you guys
Speaker 1: watching New Japan Strong not a show goes By where
Speaker 1: J White does not talk about going to a W.
Speaker 1: So inevitably he was going to be going to a W.
Speaker 1: But what happened was he showed up and he helped
Speaker 1: to beat up ra Punky Vice, and he's going to
Speaker 1: be on Rampage on Friday. No spoilers in case you
Speaker 1: guys are you know who could possibly win the Young
Speaker 1: Bucks and Rapunk device. I actually don't know. I forgot,
Speaker 1: but you know, if you want to know, we've got
Speaker 1: the spoilers up on the front page. But he's there.
Speaker 1: And then the big debut that signed a contract with
Speaker 1: a W was in fact Keith Lee, who uh absolutely
Speaker 1: just got over as the biggest superstar here on this
Speaker 1: show just by you know, smashing poor Isaiah Cassidy, who
Speaker 1: you know, the old saying he got frequent flyer miles.
Speaker 1: The very first spot was Keith Lee beeling this guy
Speaker 1: so high I thought he was gonna go over the
Speaker 1: post to the floor on the other side of the ring.
Speaker 1: The biggest meal you ever saw like that that it
Speaker 1: was off to the races from there. He you know,
Speaker 1: did a couple of things, but mostly was just a
Speaker 1: gigantic monster. People went nuts for the guy. You know.
Speaker 1: He did a tweet today saying that he's gotta got
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do. He's gotta you know,
Speaker 1: the grind starts. Now. I think that's in reference to
Speaker 1: dropping a little bit of weight, because he was absolutely gigantic.
Speaker 1: He looked like it was three sixty pounds, legit, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, there you go. That's the story of Keith Lee.
Speaker 1: How did he get over everybody working like a big
Speaker 1: man but being able to be Keith Lee? Unlike w W
Speaker 1: W either wanted a big man who wasn't Keith Lee.
Speaker 1: They wanted a bearcat. Carl, I can't wait for B
Speaker 1: to e this week. What were your thoughts on these
Speaker 1: two stories, Mike, I don't watch BAT much, but do
Speaker 1: you think Adam Cole will make an appearance with Keith
Speaker 1: Lee at any point to poke fun at that? You know,
Speaker 1: maybe at the barber shop where Adam all considers about
Speaker 1: getting his haircut. But yeah, those days are long gone
Speaker 1: for both of those guys. And Keith Lee certainly made
Speaker 1: an impact last night. Whether he's a couple of biscuits
Speaker 1: too heavy or not, whatever, I don't care. It didn't
Speaker 1: matter in that match at all. Sure he was big,
Speaker 1: Sure that's probably something he's got to work on, but whatever,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter last night because he was throwing Isaih
Speaker 1: Cassidy around, who flew like a champ for him, and
Speaker 1: it was a very simple, dominant performance. I thought everything
Speaker 1: really went perfectly. I really did. I thought it was
Speaker 1: an excellent Everything about it was excellent. Keith Lee catching
Speaker 1: Mark Quinn on that rona attempt, I mean, just everything
Speaker 1: I thought worked perfectly there on what was a a
Speaker 1: great night, with the exception of Jade nick A. Obviously
Speaker 1: that match went sideways at the point, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you take that out of the mix, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a really good show. And you know, some
Speaker 1: people will probably poke fun at the twenty minute open
Speaker 1: and say it compares to Raw, but the twenty did open,
Speaker 1: you know, opening segment with the talk and the setting
Speaker 1: up the match for later. If you don't do it
Speaker 1: all the time, it works, it's special. You know. Even
Speaker 1: with w w E, it's just it became a staple
Speaker 1: of their programming, which I'm not a big fan of.
Speaker 1: I like it when they mix it up, but a
Speaker 1: w's usually starts off with a match, and certainly not
Speaker 1: with the twenty minute talking segments. I thought, in this case,
Speaker 1: with who was involved the whole thing, that we actually
Speaker 1: worked out great. You know, I want to say something
Speaker 1: about Keith Lee that when you first hear what I'm
Speaker 1: about to say, you may think it's very insulting, but
Speaker 1: honest to God, it's not. And the reason I bring
Speaker 1: up this comparison is because we literally two days ago
Speaker 1: just did a toga party and we watched WrestleMania nine.
Speaker 1: I watched that Brett Hart Yokazuna match, and bro, I
Speaker 1: love that match. It was only eight minutes. But you know,
Speaker 1: from when I was a kid so to speak, as
Speaker 1: in my teens, dude, I always thought Yokazuna was awesome
Speaker 1: and Yokazuna at the end was not awesome, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I think you sort of had a a
Speaker 1: rep of, you know, not being that great. But I
Speaker 1: thought he was awesome. And that match with Bret Hart,
Speaker 1: like he was just the best giant and Bret Hart
Speaker 1: was you know, he's Bret Hard. But man, watch that
Speaker 1: Yokasina Bret Hart match to see how a big dude
Speaker 1: can just be a freaking monster. And two days later,
Speaker 1: Keith Lee goes in there and he's big, like he's
Speaker 1: three and fifty three and six minces. He's nowhere near
Speaker 1: as big as Yokazuna. But that way, like this guy
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be sprinting for for eight minutes. He's got
Speaker 1: to pace himself. And just the way that Keith Lee
Speaker 1: worked that match, it was exactly like Yoka is gonna
Speaker 1: work that match with Bret Hard. It's like you stand
Speaker 1: there and you're just enormous and you do some massive
Speaker 1: power move and the other dude sells great for you,
Speaker 1: and you just stand there and you're just big, and
Speaker 1: every now and then you do something like super impressive,
Speaker 1: Like every now and then Yokazuna would whip out that
Speaker 1: that freaking leg drop. He just start sprinting and he
Speaker 1: jump in the air and he just crushed this guy
Speaker 1: and the people would like be screaming like he's got
Speaker 1: to be dead. I mean, the way that Keith Lee
Speaker 1: worked this match and the way that yoks didn't work
Speaker 1: the match with Brett, I mean, it's the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: And I thought both of them were just great. Now. Granted,
Speaker 1: Keith Leeve, he's gonna be a main of veentor he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to work long matches and he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to do more, and he'd be way better served at
Speaker 1: like pounds three fifteen pounds, and hopefully he can get there.
Speaker 1: But for what he did with Isaiah Cassidy, I thought
Speaker 1: it was perfect. And in the land where there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of giants, he can change his style a
Speaker 1: little bit and dial back on some of those things
Speaker 1: that I know Dave was oh Man. What makes Keith
Speaker 1: Lee is the agility in this and that he's in
Speaker 1: a place where he can he can afford to just
Speaker 1: be big and yeah he does, I guess whatever, have
Speaker 1: to drop some weight and whatever, whatever, that's fine, But
Speaker 1: because of where he's at, he does not have to
Speaker 1: rely on doing that as much anymore. Now. Can he
Speaker 1: take that out of his repertoire and change it up?
Speaker 1: Do they want him to change it up? Does he
Speaker 1: want to change it up? I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: know he can. And this could be the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do some of that, take out some of those flying
Speaker 1: through the ropes and actually concentrate on big man moves.
Speaker 1: Back at a moment Observer Live back in the show
Speaker 1: Bright nowba is here Wrestling Observer Live Mixumburvit also Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer dot Com. Well did the h Dynamite report here
Speaker 1: in the bid we got a little bit of news
Speaker 1: as a new show supposed to be. So the other
Speaker 1: day we were talking about the Olympics and ratings, and
Speaker 1: you know, the SmackDown rating was down against the Olympics,
Speaker 1: and Rampage was down against the Olympics, and Raw did
Speaker 1: one point three million viewers. It's all time record low
Speaker 1: viewership against the Olympics and only the second, by the way,
Speaker 1: the lowest eighteen forty nine. So I actually did worse
Speaker 1: at one point in their normal time slot with no competition.
Speaker 1: But they were on sci Fi obviously, So actually they
Speaker 1: did a worse eighteen and forty nine on USA than
Speaker 1: they did on Sci Fi, which is pretty amazing. But
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, we knew this was
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and honest to God, all things considered, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought the rod number was actually right, Like, I
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna do much worse moving to Sci Fi,
Speaker 1: especially when I actually watched the show, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Dave last night on Observer Radio noted that the that
Speaker 1: first segment with Randy Orton and Riddle and Otis and
Speaker 1: and Chad Gable, which I thought was just awesome. I
Speaker 1: love that segment. One point one million viewers, bro. So anyway,
Speaker 1: picked up after that, people started tuning in a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of women and uh and and uh.
Speaker 1: Elderly folks they couldn't find it initially, but the young
Speaker 1: men knew right where it was for some reason. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't like saying elderly because I'm pretty much there.
Speaker 1: But the point of all of this is I said,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. These numbers, the Olympics, competition, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But Bro, this n x T number, Oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: n x T on Sci Fi, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: they did the limited commercial interruptions gimmick because that always works. Like,
Speaker 1: if you want to boost your number, do limited commercial interruptions.
Speaker 1: It works every time because there's anywhere from twenty of
Speaker 1: people that that switched the channel whenever you go to commercial.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of people. Dude. Like if you have
Speaker 1: a million people watching, three hundred thousand turn off every time,
Speaker 1: there's a commercial. Some of them come back, maybe not
Speaker 1: all of them. But by eliminating the commercials, you're you're
Speaker 1: artificially can inflate the number. I mean, it's real, but
Speaker 1: it's a gimmick. So they had limited commercial interruptions and
Speaker 1: a Women's championship match on this show and two Dusty
Speaker 1: Classic matches. This show did four hundred thousand viewers and
Speaker 1: a zero point zero seven in eighteen of forty nine
Speaker 1: I mean eighteen to forty nine. Ring of Honor on
Speaker 1: Sinclair running reruns has probably beaten this number. I mean,
Speaker 1: mL W maybe be beating this number. Impact Wrestling almost
Speaker 1: surely gonna beat this number. And this is that this
Speaker 1: is sci Fi, Like, it's not the USA network, but
Speaker 1: it's a network where RANG managed to get one point
Speaker 1: four million viewers or something like that in the second
Speaker 1: hour a point oh seven. Callly soly smokes, that's a
Speaker 1: horrible number. And for whatever reason, you know, which I
Speaker 1: can't explain, just because they like to make things hard
Speaker 1: on themselves. They're not delaying this, uh, this big show,
Speaker 1: the Valentine's Day Show. They're not delaying it a week.
Speaker 1: They're gonna air it next week on Sci Fi. Why
Speaker 1: even bother, like they're gonna do Day one, unlike Day
Speaker 1: two and Day five and whatever every year, like they
Speaker 1: don't care about that. But man, we gotta do this
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day show, Uh, the day after Valentine's Day. We
Speaker 1: can't wait a week. It's gotta be done, this Vengeance
Speaker 1: Day show. And not even say Valentine's So anyway, horrible number, atrocious, appalling, horrific,
Speaker 1: So it matches the show then, No, the show was
Speaker 1: way better than that number. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: the show always, but I mean the two Dusty Classic
Speaker 1: matches were good, and you know, it was a bad
Speaker 1: finish for the women's match. I mean, there was no
Speaker 1: match as bad as the I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the Jade Cargill match with a q A because you know,
Speaker 1: I've I've talked about how green Jade is, but this
Speaker 1: was not her fault at all on Dynamite Do you
Speaker 1: hear me at all? How hard were Mark Sterling? And uh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Bryce Rimsberg, God bless this guy. He
Speaker 1: should have got paid double. He's screaming spots at the
Speaker 1: top of his lungs and I had some people going,
Speaker 1: why do you have to yell so loud, and I
Speaker 1: was like, he should have yelled louder, because however loud
Speaker 1: he was yelling, it wasn't working. Bad match, my goodness. Gracious.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about the h the a double show
Speaker 1: after the next break, but I also want to mention
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, there was a hoax candidacy filing that led
Speaker 1: to speculation that Tony Khan would be entering the political arena.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Today reported on a statement of candidacy file last
Speaker 1: September claimed that Tony Kahn yes, that Tony Khan would
Speaker 1: be running as a Democrat in the race to represent
Speaker 1: Florida's fourth congressional district. The report was picked up by
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk, NFL networks, E and RAP reported more,
Speaker 1: but it was soon pointed out that Khan was not
Speaker 1: listed as an active candidate for congress. Tony Cohn tweeted,
Speaker 1: the fact checking standard for Pro Football Talk reporting is
Speaker 1: far lower than that of a w's roving reporter, Tony, Oh,
Speaker 1: what a horrible thing to say about Tony Shivanni. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not running for congress, Tony Khan said. This filing
Speaker 1: is faker than Eddie Gilbert's apology to Tommy Rich in
Speaker 1: p f T sources as trustworthy as m JF so
Speaker 1: he's not running for office. Good job, t K Stack money.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Tommy rich Did you call him? T
Speaker 1: K Stack money? Ain't gonna be paying you, brother, I
Speaker 1: should know. Yeah, and well because all the money's obviously
Speaker 1: going to you and Dave Um. Just something to point
Speaker 1: out about the n x T rating two. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to Brandon Thurston, looking at the numbers,
Speaker 1: women eighteen to thirty four down nearly seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: Seven thousand women on average watched seven thousand in the
Speaker 1: United States of America. It's wild. It is absolutely wild.
Speaker 1: And you know, more people are gonna listen to this
Speaker 1: show than women watching n x T two point oh.
Speaker 1: On Sci Fi, dude, four hundred thousand people not aged
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty nine. Three hundred and three thousand of
Speaker 1: those people and probably not many of them were, you know,
Speaker 1: between zero and seventeens. So it's just a it is
Speaker 1: kind of wild to see it. But then again, I
Speaker 1: mean on sci Fi, I don't know what their average is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably actually good. They'll spend this for
Speaker 1: II Fi somehow, as it's actually been beneficial to them
Speaker 1: to have this on there, and maybe that's the case,
Speaker 1: but for n XD, I mean, these are terrible numbers.
Speaker 1: But I mean even like the Valentine's Day Show, so
Speaker 1: they're there to create content and that's what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and I mean that's it. I just it's a it's
Speaker 1: a hard show to watch and I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 1: And we'll see if it rebounds back when it hits USA.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it will, but like it feels like
Speaker 1: a four hundred thousand view show every single week. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm baffled that that many, that six hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: usually watch this show. I meantimes sometimes it's baffling to me.
Speaker 1: It really, it really really is. But if some people
Speaker 1: like it, that's they're bad. Cool. It's just it's not easy.
Speaker 1: It really is not easy to get through. And that's
Speaker 1: even with good things like the Creeds and you know,
Speaker 1: Chompa and Strong. I mean, they're it's not like they
Speaker 1: don't have anything there, it's just how to utilize it.
Speaker 1: The show has hit and missed for me. I mean,
Speaker 1: Vinny Vinnie got so mad last week he actually literally
Speaker 1: took his headphones off and started banging his head on
Speaker 1: the wood desk. I had to make it abundantly clear.
Speaker 1: I did not book that because I was not worth
Speaker 1: ct deal with this lawsuit in a few years. But
Speaker 1: ain't that bad? I mean last week's show. Last week
Speaker 1: show was pretty bad, but I was fine with this
Speaker 1: week's show. There was an audience of people that grew
Speaker 1: up with w w E and they want to watch
Speaker 1: w w E. And bro, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: A lot of you are listening on the chat right now.
Speaker 1: YouTube is apparently back up. You guys watch wrestling all
Speaker 1: over the world. You watch a w New Japan Stardom, Noah, whatever, progress,
Speaker 1: whatever the whatever you watch, Bro, you watch all sorts
Speaker 1: of wrestling. So you watch n NEX Team You're like,
Speaker 1: what is this trash? Okay? But if you grew up
Speaker 1: watching w w E and you made it, you made
Speaker 1: it through the early nineties, God bless you, and you
Speaker 1: enjoyed the attitude era and then you know it fell
Speaker 1: off and you've kept watching and you've made it through
Speaker 1: to today. N x T is a fine show. That's it.
Speaker 1: If that's your jam w w E style wrestling with
Speaker 1: with colors and uh, you know, women that are still
Speaker 1: in the diva's era and big muscle men. You know
Speaker 1: this is this is right up your alley. So I understand.
Speaker 1: I don't like it half the time, but I get it.
Speaker 1: I understand why people watch this thing. You're getting what
Speaker 1: you what you're expecting. That's what you get with n
Speaker 1: x T two. Boy, I was a w W E fan,
Speaker 1: pretty much what you're expecting. So there you go. I
Speaker 1: can't wait till review it next week. My DVR doesn't, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, again, this is it. Maybe it's an
Speaker 1: ex affinity thing. I'll be interested to see what the
Speaker 1: DVR numbers are going to be for all, because I
Speaker 1: had to manually set that that did not automatically change over.
Speaker 1: But every time they've done something with n x T,
Speaker 1: my DVR picks it up. So I have no idea
Speaker 1: why that was the case. But I'll say this too
Speaker 1: about the no I definitely have sci fi. Believe me.
Speaker 1: It's because that recorded just fine last night for n
Speaker 1: x D but RAW didn't automatically switch over. But the
Speaker 1: gimmick of starting the show without any commercials probably was
Speaker 1: a big benefit as well too. You know, I do,
Speaker 1: I know you didn't like it. It didn't bother me
Speaker 1: at all. Like I said, it didn't bother me until
Speaker 1: the second hour. Really is where the first hour may
Speaker 1: have taken a toll because I liked a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that was on there. But it was probably
Speaker 1: very valuable for them to do that for all those
Speaker 1: people who do just they don't use the guide. It's
Speaker 1: amazing what they have literally at their fingertips, and they
Speaker 1: will still go up and down on the remote until
Speaker 1: they find something that they like, or they'll find whatever
Speaker 1: it is that they're looking for. So I guess it
Speaker 1: really wasn't benefit to have that thing on there, especially
Speaker 1: with how poorly it opens well and then looking floor
Speaker 1: is this break back in a moment I've never live
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Speaker 1: than the eighteen anyway. Alright, so let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: this dynamite show and listen, blokes. Yeah, I miss something
Speaker 1: here and there, But I do a show with Vinnie
Speaker 1: every Thursday night and we spend ninety minutes talking about
Speaker 1: these two shows. So I'll get to it, bros. But
Speaker 1: we opened up with um, I don't want to call
Speaker 1: it a ross segment, but it's what Row does. M
Speaker 1: JF came out with his whole crew and the usual,
Speaker 1: you know, no respect for Wardlow. Fans are chanting for Wardlow.
Speaker 1: He's bragging, of course that he beats the and Punk
Speaker 1: twice in Chicago, and of course him Punk comes out
Speaker 1: and he wants a match, and long story short, MGF says, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a match tonight. It will be you
Speaker 1: and a partner of your choosing who cannot be Sting
Speaker 1: or Darby Ellen. And if you and your partner can
Speaker 1: beat f TR, you can have a rematch with me
Speaker 1: any time, any place, And they set it up for
Speaker 1: later in the show, which may have been the first
Speaker 1: time ever that they did an opening segment to set
Speaker 1: up a match on the same show. And as Mike noted,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a w w E trope.
Speaker 1: But doing something rarely, Oh, there's very few things that
Speaker 1: if you do it rarely, aren't fine. The issue is
Speaker 1: when you do them all the time. So I thought
Speaker 1: this was a fun segment. I thought that it led
Speaker 1: to a fun match. I had no problem with him
Speaker 1: Androd A Sting and Darby have their meeting. He can't
Speaker 1: get this little kid a little kid. RB notes that
Speaker 1: he wants the T and T title, but so does
Speaker 1: androw Day. Dave seems to think this is a build
Speaker 1: to them just both being in the ladder match. I
Speaker 1: feel like they've been building this up for like four
Speaker 1: or five weeks. There has to be a singles match coming.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but that's what I'm getting out
Speaker 1: of this. Warlow beat the Blade for reasons unknown. They
Speaker 1: put in time. The only thing the fans want to
Speaker 1: see from Wardlow right now is the symphony and him
Speaker 1: selling for the Blade through a commercial break. I mean this,
Speaker 1: this crowd was dead until he hit that first power bomb.
Speaker 1: Any power bombing four times was the superstar and pinned
Speaker 1: him and one and that was the end of that.
Speaker 1: We have the Inner Circle team meeting and there are
Speaker 1: issues with Santana and Ortiz. They're upset with Jericho. They
Speaker 1: want to go off on their own. They get bantering
Speaker 1: back and forth, and Uh, Sammy's all upset that nobody
Speaker 1: can get along, and so he throws down his jacket
Speaker 1: and says, if you guys can't get your stuff together,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, and he walks out, and then
Speaker 1: they set up. Next week it is Santana and Ortiz
Speaker 1: against Jericho and Jake Hagar. They're gonna settle this with
Speaker 1: their fists. So it looks like the Inner Circle. After
Speaker 1: like three years, it appears to be setting up to
Speaker 1: this band. We had the debut of switch Blade j
Speaker 1: White Uh. They set up the Rapunky Vice versus Young
Speaker 1: Bucks match. It was scheduled for several weeks ago, but
Speaker 1: was postponed because Rocky Romeo got COVID. He's ready to
Speaker 1: go there doing the match on Friday on Rampage, and
Speaker 1: switch Blade is going to be there at his noted.
Speaker 1: This was like a last minute thing that they came
Speaker 1: up with on Sunday. So hopefully he has matches. Hopefully
Speaker 1: they do something with him, but I'm not sure to
Speaker 1: the extent or to what extent he's gonna be doing
Speaker 1: anything in UH. In a w It's All Over Impact Show,
Speaker 1: Keith Lee beat Isaiah Cassidy. We talked about this match.
Speaker 1: It was awesome and they killed both guys afterwards, and
Speaker 1: just I mean, this was one of those deals where
Speaker 1: Tony CON's. You know, he's talking about how when he
Speaker 1: was a kid. For some of you older guys who
Speaker 1: want to feel even older, when he was a kid,
Speaker 1: him and all of his friends at school, we're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who the higher power was going to be,
Speaker 1: and they were so disappointed when it turned out to
Speaker 1: be Vince. He didn't want people disappointed. And I don't
Speaker 1: know about the viewing audience, but at home, nobody was
Speaker 1: disappointed by Keith Lee showing up and killing Isaiah Cassidy,
Speaker 1: Punk's partner at being John Moxley. They beat FTR. I
Speaker 1: thought this match was great. FTR is a great team.
Speaker 1: They got heat on Punk, they got heat on Moxley.
Speaker 1: I mean they did such a good job with near falls.
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna beat cee him Punk a
Speaker 1: second week in a row to keep him away from
Speaker 1: him JF for a while, but they didn't and see him.
Speaker 1: Punk hid the GTS and got the pin. So he
Speaker 1: gets to pick the match anytime anywhere at the Revolution
Speaker 1: pay per view to face m JF, Jade Cargill and
Speaker 1: a q A. Holy Smokes not good at all. It's
Speaker 1: former Zeta Raymer from n x T trained by book
Speaker 1: or t I don't know what happened here, but it
Speaker 1: was bad. Jade was like, you know, it takes a
Speaker 1: while to be able to maintain your composure when things
Speaker 1: go wrong. She's only had twenty six matches. She could
Speaker 1: not maintain her composer. She was so mad during this match,
Speaker 1: and when the match was over, it's one of those
Speaker 1: deals where she wins and she's just like angry, which
Speaker 1: you know in real life she's beat this one was
Speaker 1: she angry about? Well, she's angry because the ref was
Speaker 1: called spots and the match still went awry. We had
Speaker 1: the five minute Rookie Challenge Serena Deep and Katie r Quette.
Speaker 1: It was just quick. Serena beat her. I think everyone
Speaker 1: can probably see where this is going. Rampage Friday, No spoilers,
Speaker 1: Young Bucks, no spoilers, Young Bucks versus any Vice, Hook
Speaker 1: versus Blake Lee, Britt Baker versus Robin, Renegade and Jungle
Speaker 1: Boy and Luca Sourus against the Gun Club for the
Speaker 1: tag titles. But I won't spoil it for anybody. Tune
Speaker 1: in Friday Night by the Renegade. By the way, I
Speaker 1: know people think I'm like making fun of all of this,
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't mind at all that I
Speaker 1: know who's gonna win every match in a w of
Speaker 1: the time. It doesn't bother me. In fact, I like
Speaker 1: it because that means it makes sense. But I know
Speaker 1: some people they don't want their spoilers, so I won't
Speaker 1: spoil the show. And finally, I thought this match was great.
Speaker 1: Hangman Page and Lance Archer in a Texas death match.
Speaker 1: If blood ain't your thing, you don't go watch n
Speaker 1: x T two point Oh. These two blokes, I mean,
Speaker 1: they got thrown through glass, they got busted open, they're
Speaker 1: bleeding everywhere. They're using all of the gimmicks, and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean the story of the match was so simple.
Speaker 1: Outcomes uh Jake the Snake Roberts and uh, why do
Speaker 1: I Dan Lambert? I don't know. But anyway, he comes
Speaker 1: out and he takes off the top rope because Hangman's
Speaker 1: finish is the buckshot. You must use the top rope
Speaker 1: to spring in unless you're like mess Guerita Sagrada, so
Speaker 1: the top rope is unscrewed. They just beat the stuffing
Speaker 1: out of each other. They pound on each other, they
Speaker 1: and it was not boring. Some Texas death matches because
Speaker 1: of the slow count can be boring, but like this
Speaker 1: ref was doing a normal ten count, so I was
Speaker 1: never bored during this match. And finally at the end,
Speaker 1: the referee ends up bent forward, Hangman does the springboard
Speaker 1: over the back of the referee, hits the buckshot. They
Speaker 1: both tumble over the middle rope because there's no top rope,
Speaker 1: and they crashed through two tables outside. These fans went
Speaker 1: nuts for this spot and it was awesome and Hangman
Speaker 1: gets to his feet. He's the winner. He didn't look weak,
Speaker 1: he looked like a champion. The place goes crazy for
Speaker 1: the guy. And then they had Adam Cole come out
Speaker 1: and and issued the challenge for the championship match, which
Speaker 1: begs the question why he lost to Orange Cassie. That's
Speaker 1: another man entirely. I thought the match is great. I
Speaker 1: thought the finish was awesome. I thought both guys look good.
Speaker 1: You know, Lance Archer lost, but he looked like a monster.
Speaker 1: He looked like a murder hawk monster. Hangman beat him
Speaker 1: because he's the champ, but it was a tough road
Speaker 1: to hoe. I loved it. Great show. Yeah, from top
Speaker 1: to bottom, it was a great show and I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's you know what you want to touch on.
Speaker 1: You know, coming away from it, you know there lots
Speaker 1: of different things. You know, who's Serena, Deeve, who's gonna
Speaker 1: be that person comes in? Is this a good time
Speaker 1: to bring would that be Athena? Keeps saying Athena. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help you all out. It's Ember Moon
Speaker 1: is when Dave and Mike are talking about Athena, That's
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. It's just helping out here. Wow,
Speaker 1: you really helped out. Thanks a lot for that. Well,
Speaker 1: you know I did hear all day yesterday when when
Speaker 1: Dave did observe a radio and kept mentioning Athena but
Speaker 1: never said to Athena was, And so I got flooded
Speaker 1: with people saying, can you tell us who Athena is
Speaker 1: next time? Well, now I'm telling you Ember Moon, the
Speaker 1: former member Moon Athena. So who it is? It's not
Speaker 1: say to Amer, it's not Orange Cassidy either. You just
Speaker 1: want to go ahead and tackle that now, and I'm
Speaker 1: over it. I just don't get it, Like, why couldn't
Speaker 1: you wait to do that match where you beat Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 1: He's challenging for the title in three weeks. He was undefeated,
Speaker 1: he'd never been beaten. I don't care what the record says.
Speaker 1: I saw him lou loos in front of my own
Speaker 1: two eyes, even on the show afterwards. The crazy part
Speaker 1: there for me was you could have did the exact
Speaker 1: same ending, but it's actually because they're both crashing down
Speaker 1: into unconsciousness that Adam Cole wasn't the one that actually
Speaker 1: would have his arm over Orange Cassidy, and you know,
Speaker 1: Orange would have lost nothing. You know, people would have
Speaker 1: saw he was the one that actually caused was going
Speaker 1: through this to cause Adam Cole the harm. And it
Speaker 1: just so happened that the way they flopped, Cole was
Speaker 1: the one who got the cheap victory. And I yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: You know, people are making a big deal out of it,
Speaker 1: making a big football out of it, and wanting to
Speaker 1: to fight over it. It's really not that big of
Speaker 1: a deal. But when you do have Cold going for it,
Speaker 1: when he is undefeated, it doesn't make much sense. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: what's up? They wanted me to check my heart rate?
Speaker 1: Oh ahead? No? That was that was it? That was it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have done that, or they could have not
Speaker 1: done the match when they did it, or they could
Speaker 1: have just flabbergasted. But what's done is done. Now they
Speaker 1: do everything they can to build up atom Cole for
Speaker 1: three weeks. It's great promo. I love Adam Cole. I
Speaker 1: just don't get it. It's okay to not get something
Speaker 1: in a W. Everybody. It's okay to be critical of
Speaker 1: the product every now and then. All I hear is
Speaker 1: I'm paid by a W. And then I do a criticism,
Speaker 1: and then I really get it. I can't win for losing,
Speaker 1: not every now and then. When they when you feel
Speaker 1: as though they deserve to be criticized, you don't have
Speaker 1: to parse it out and go, well, I haven't criticized
Speaker 1: them in a while, now it's really time to jump
Speaker 1: on him. No, it's it's you know, people are gonna
Speaker 1: be the way they are about their things so that
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And no, I'm not running
Speaker 1: for Congress. I when people disagree with me and then
Speaker 1: they come up with like this, the stupidest argument. This
Speaker 1: person goes, Britt lost to Rosa in the lights out match,
Speaker 1: and how did that work out? What? How does that
Speaker 1: have anything? Was Britt challenging for the title four weeks
Speaker 1: after that match with thunder Rosa. No, she was the champion,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna use all of that to build up
Speaker 1: a match with Britt Baker and thunder Rosa at this
Speaker 1: next pay per view. That's what they're going to do. Now,
Speaker 1: what would I have added thunder Rosa beat her in
Speaker 1: an unsanctioned match and then not do anything with her
Speaker 1: for a year? Well, no, I wouldn't have. But that's
Speaker 1: a completely totally different argument and a completely totally different scenario.
Speaker 1: They just they My point is this, everybody, they do
Speaker 1: such a good job protecting people and making them into stars. Okay,
Speaker 1: they almost never do a job, and when the big
Speaker 1: stars do a job, there's a point to them doing
Speaker 1: that job. In this case, I don't understand in the
Speaker 1: point of Adam Cole losing to Orange Cassidy. If Adam
Speaker 1: Cole lost to Orange Cassidy and Orange Cassidy is now
Speaker 1: going to be challenging for the TNT title the next week, fine,
Speaker 1: you gotta win over Adam Cole and now he's he
Speaker 1: vanished after beating at It. I haven't seen the guy
Speaker 1: since he beat Adam Cole. Meanwhile the loser, Adam Cole
Speaker 1: is now the it's in contention for a title four
Speaker 1: weeks later. I don't get it. I don't. If you're
Speaker 1: fine with it, fine, I don't get it. No, to me,
Speaker 1: you did not have to put a happy face at
Speaker 1: the end of that story between them and best friends,
Speaker 1: if that's what it was, which obviously was because Cole's
Speaker 1: onto something else. To me, didn't that wasn't the send
Speaker 1: the home fans home happy thing. I think they were
Speaker 1: already been happy. And again Cole getting that cheap thing
Speaker 1: and going on to get that victory. To me, pro
Speaker 1: wrestling wise, that's the way I would have booked it,
Speaker 1: and it makes more sense that way, although again I
Speaker 1: don't know what is Cole win the title all of
Speaker 1: a sudden from Adam Page and now Orange Cassidy gets
Speaker 1: a shot. You know again, what do you do of it?
Speaker 1: But go to a break Observer Live. It's only a
Speaker 1: small number of nerds, but incredibly, the Twitch chat was
Speaker 1: just dumber during that break than the YouTube chat. So
Speaker 1: YouTube you get the prize. Today, you get the gold ring.
Speaker 1: I love when I can make it shine like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why it's been out of focus. It's trying
Speaker 1: to focus on my ring. I think that's the problem. Yes,
Speaker 1: Britt Breaker lost to thunder Rose and then became Women's
Speaker 1: champions shortly thereafter. Okay, yes, she lost won the title
Speaker 1: two months later to set up a future feud with
Speaker 1: someone who had beaten her in and sanction match is
Speaker 1: gonna be taking place in three months. So do you
Speaker 1: believe that Adam Cole is going to win the title
Speaker 1: from Hangman and then feud with Orange Cassidy, Because that
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about here, that would be the
Speaker 1: actual scenario that would relate to this Britt Baker thunder
Speaker 1: Rose a thing. I don't think that's happening again, it didn't.
Speaker 1: It just I just it's not even being critical, it's
Speaker 1: just it's a it's a difference of opinion. And I
Speaker 1: am still a little bit more old school. I guess
Speaker 1: when you have somebody going after that championship, why present
Speaker 1: a banana peal if that person that is beating them
Speaker 1: is not going to get a first crack at that
Speaker 1: title or be in that first mix for that title
Speaker 1: for that person. And it comes down to I don't
Speaker 1: believe I him Cole's winning. So again, I could be
Speaker 1: dead wrong. Maybe he beats Hangman and he goes in
Speaker 1: defensive against Arnge Cassidy, But to me, that's the only
Speaker 1: way that really would have worked. Again, he didn't need
Speaker 1: a big smiley face to end that for you do.
Speaker 1: He needed to me Adam Cole to go out on top.
Speaker 1: All right, looks like dynamite last night A one point
Speaker 1: one two nine million viewers and a point four one
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty nine. That number crushing the raw show
Speaker 1: on Sci Fi. But we expected that, so I'll figure
Speaker 1: these out. Get him a on my Twitter at Brian
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