Speaker 1: Welcome in What's drive in the Great episode three twenty
Speaker 1: eight after, for my money, the single best day in
Speaker 1: the NBA all season. Those two games last night were
Speaker 1: absolute theater and it We had talked for the last
Speaker 1: month or so of the regular season that we could
Speaker 1: get some absolute classic round two matchups if the brackets
Speaker 1: held that we could get OKC potentially in round two
Speaker 1: against Joker. We're getting it a Nick Celtics matchup, which
Speaker 1: seemed like we knew we were getting that in round
Speaker 1: two starting four months ago. And then maybe Pacers, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Calves Bucks, Calves, Pacers, And then I thought, of course
Speaker 1: we'd be getting Lakers somebody, but we didn't get that.
Speaker 1: But that one hasn't started yet. And three round two games,
Speaker 1: three road victories, three huge underdogs, all nine plus point
Speaker 1: underdogs winning, and I thought the Nick Celtics game was
Speaker 1: arguably the game of the playoffs, or were on the
Speaker 1: very short list, and then it might not have even
Speaker 1: been the game of the night. So we will get
Speaker 1: to all of that demand. Welcome in great to see
Speaker 1: you return from the met gala, which Demanse was in
Speaker 1: attendance for last night. Back in La overnight flight, your
Speaker 1: Mom and I actually went to a met gala like
Speaker 1: pre dinner. That was a really nice, cool event that
Speaker 1: I was probably not the best date for because I
Speaker 1: was just watching Nick Celtics on my phone for the
Speaker 1: first half and then got out of there in time
Speaker 1: to be home to watch the close of that game
Speaker 1: and then the entirety of Nuggets Thunder, which I thought,
Speaker 1: Knicks Caves could be a game. I'm sorry, Nickscaves nick
Speaker 1: Celtics could be a game. I thought it's weird because
Speaker 1: I thought Nick Celtics could be a good game one,
Speaker 1: but didn't really give the Knicks a chance in the series. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I thought Thunder Nuggets that the Nuggets had a real
Speaker 1: shot in the series, but thought Game one would be
Speaker 1: a giveaway game the Nuggets coming off a seven game series.
Speaker 1: The thunderfully rested all of that. So it turned out,
Speaker 1: obviously that that is not how that went. And did
Speaker 1: Game one of Nick Celtics change my thoughts on the series.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a moment, but first, what
Speaker 1: missed the cut? Mitch Johnson is replacing Greg Popovich in
Speaker 1: San Antonio. Evidently Aaron Rodgers had a wedding band at
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby. I saw that story, I did not
Speaker 1: click on it. And Lebron misses the MET Gala because
Speaker 1: he got hurt. Now, listen, I understand in some corners
Speaker 1: of the internet, Lebron's not allowed to suffer injuries, even
Speaker 1: injuries we see on camera, injuries we watch happen. It's
Speaker 1: then all phony and fake. But look, you're shaking your head,
Speaker 1: what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like you're saying he's not allowed to be injured. But
Speaker 2: like he went on and he tweeted that he wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna make the met Gala because he got injured in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. I think people were just like big whoop,
Speaker 2: you know, like you're not making the met gallup.
Speaker 1: Well he was where this is where it's important to
Speaker 1: you know, actually understand things. Sorry, demon say I do
Speaker 1: this to you, and not just go with what the
Speaker 1: internet saying. He was one of the chairs of the event,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't just like I'm he's here. It was
Speaker 1: just this year, so he was supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's ever gone to a Met
Speaker 1: Gala because his team's normally still in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: he was. But regardless set that aside. The story is
Speaker 1: not lebron and the met Gala. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you know how much tickets for that thing cost? Give
Speaker 1: it a guess.
Speaker 2: Is it like the How is it how it would
Speaker 2: be in a stadium like Closer, I'd say, like, no, it's.
Speaker 1: Just uh, seventy five thousand dollars a seat. Now it
Speaker 1: all goes to charity. But it's seventy five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a ticket and you really can't get single tickets. You
Speaker 1: can only buy tables. It's quite the event. Reminder to
Speaker 1: everyone out there. For all your Met Gala and NBA
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Speaker 1: Nick Wright and Demonse. Let's get Demonse.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 1: The Knicks against your beloved Celtics.
Speaker 2: The Knicks pulled off the upset last night. Yeah, pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on. The Celtics were
Speaker 2: relying on the three. The Knicks are down by as
Speaker 2: much as twenty. They mounted the comeback with Brunson on
Speaker 2: the bench. You call Game one a must win for
Speaker 2: New York?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the series? Is there anything
Speaker 2: I should be worried about? Being a Celtics fan.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I so. I'll get into the game
Speaker 1: in a second. But here's why this series to me
Speaker 1: is so fascinating and so interesting. The Knicks built an
Speaker 1: entire team with this two week period. In month they built,
Speaker 1: they made massive changes, fired all their draft pick bullets,
Speaker 1: traded away Julius Randall, broke up the Villanova crew before
Speaker 1: they could ever play a game together. They trade four
Speaker 1: McHale Bridges, but then trade away Dante And it was
Speaker 1: with one series in mind, can we put together our
Speaker 1: version of Boston, meaning five excellent starters. Can we build
Speaker 1: a team where for your Jason Tatum, we have Jalen
Speaker 1: Bronson for your Jalen Brown, we have Karl Anthony Towns
Speaker 1: for your Chris STAPs Porzingis. We have Mikhale Bridges for
Speaker 1: your Derek White, we have og A Nanobi for your
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday, we have Josh Hart. That's the idea. Five quality, switchable,
Speaker 1: good starters who most of which can shoot, four of
Speaker 1: them can defend, and that that is that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to do. And then all year long it looked like, okay,
Speaker 1: cool story, bro, but you can't beat any of the
Speaker 1: good teams. Ever, and after getting blasted by the Celtics
Speaker 1: in their first three matchups, the Knicks had the ultimate
Speaker 1: moral victory loss in their final regular season matchup when
Speaker 1: they took the Celtics to overtime and at least had
Speaker 1: a little something to hold on to, like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we can compete with these guys, Because once a
Speaker 1: month into the year, when the Cabs raced out to
Speaker 1: that one seed, it was very clear the Celtics were
Speaker 1: content with the two, the Knicks were going to be
Speaker 1: the three, and that this was gonna be our Round
Speaker 1: two matchup. And then for two and a half quarters
Speaker 1: it went about as poorly as it could have for
Speaker 1: the Knicks, despite the fact that Boston couldn't hit a three.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say couldn't hit a three, because they made
Speaker 1: fifteen of them, which is a fine number, but despite
Speaker 1: the fact that Boston seemingly only wanted to shoot three
Speaker 1: of their ninety seven field goal attempts, sixty were threes.
Speaker 1: In the third quarter, seemingly every field goal attempt was
Speaker 1: a three, they missed forty five of them, but it's
Speaker 1: still at seventy five twenty five with five forty seven
Speaker 1: left in the third quarter, and then and I tried,
Speaker 1: I was gonna tweet it in real time, but I
Speaker 1: was watching in the car on the way home on
Speaker 1: my phone, so you can't watch the game and then tweet,
Speaker 1: uh it. The Knicks turned a twenty point deficit into
Speaker 1: oh we're fine faster than I can ever remember a
Speaker 1: team doing it. They went from down twenty to down
Speaker 1: six in five game minutes, from five forty seven left
Speaker 1: in the third to twenty eight seconds left in the
Speaker 1: third and now the Celtics still. They did hit a
Speaker 1: three at the very end of the fourth third quarter
Speaker 1: to give themselves a little breathing room back up to nine,
Speaker 1: But in that moment, the Knicks felt like, we're fine.
Speaker 1: We were going to get blown out. We now have
Speaker 1: made it a game again, and if it's close late,
Speaker 1: we trust our closer more than we trust your closer.
Speaker 1: And I know Brunson missed the layup to win the game,
Speaker 1: but I and I was shocked he missed it. He's
Speaker 1: been so good in those spots all year and all
Speaker 1: postseason that once Tatum took the terrible dribble dribble tie
Speaker 1: Game three, that I thought, oh, the Knicks are just
Speaker 1: gonna flat win this in regulation, they of course don't,
Speaker 1: and normally demanse if the other team is BA better
Speaker 1: than you, and it takes a furious comeback, and then
Speaker 1: you have a chance to win the game in regulation
Speaker 1: and it ends up going to overtime. That is such
Speaker 1: so emotionally deflating that then the better team water finds
Speaker 1: its level, the better team wins in overtime. And instead
Speaker 1: the Knicks raced out to a six point lead in overtime, and.
Speaker 4: Celicia's didn't do anything in overtime.
Speaker 1: No, well, they made two baskets. I think they made
Speaker 1: two baskets in overtime and still had a chance potentially
Speaker 1: for a game tying three. And the Michale Bridges, who
Speaker 1: did not have a good game at all offensively, just
Speaker 1: took the ball from Jalen Brown. And now the Knicks
Speaker 1: are here saying we're in the fight, guys, the I
Speaker 1: the Knicks. I'm sure this isn't how they're looking at it.
Speaker 1: But the way I would look at it is because
Speaker 1: you stole game one, now you simply have to win
Speaker 1: one of the next three. By winning one of the
Speaker 1: next three, you guarantee yourself you are getting a Game
Speaker 1: six in the Garden, which will be if the Knicks
Speaker 1: win one more game in the next four, but really
Speaker 1: in the next three, that Game six in the Garden
Speaker 1: will be the biggest game played in Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: this century. It will be the biggest game the Knicks
Speaker 1: have been involved in in their building since the ninety
Speaker 1: nine season with spree Way in Houston and that magical
Speaker 1: run to the finals as an eight seed. That's what
Speaker 1: it's that's what we're looking at here and for it
Speaker 1: not to be a night where and we can say
Speaker 1: the Celtics just didn't have it. And I understand the
Speaker 1: forty five miss threes are an absurd number, an absurd number.
Speaker 1: I get that we held the Timberwolves in their victory
Speaker 1: over the Lakers in Game five, I think tied the
Speaker 1: record for missed threes with forty when they went seven
Speaker 1: of forty seven. But they it.
Speaker 2: Took all that to go to overtime win by a
Speaker 2: couple of points. I think the Celtics will game plan
Speaker 2: and maybe not rely on the three as much when
Speaker 2: it's not hitting and takes them inside shots.
Speaker 1: I listen, I get that mindset that this is it
Speaker 1: took a historically inefficient shooting night for the Knicks to
Speaker 1: escape in overtime. I get that, But what you also
Speaker 1: though have and the reason I called Game one a
Speaker 1: must win is for the Knicks. I don't care how
Speaker 1: confident athletes are and how sure of themselves to get
Speaker 1: to where they are they had to be. If a
Speaker 1: team beats you five times in a row and every
Speaker 1: single time in a season, it's very hard to convince
Speaker 1: yourself not only can we beat them, but we're about
Speaker 1: to beat them four of the next six, right, And
Speaker 1: that's the position the Knicks would have found themselves in.
Speaker 1: I also I thought, I thought Tatum settling at the
Speaker 1: very end of regulation.
Speaker 4: You got Mitchell Robinson Garden. You was just a big stake. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the game. It's not like we were down like that.
Speaker 1: That that's that's the problem there. So I down two
Speaker 1: at the end of you know, in the waning moments,
Speaker 1: the math is very very clear that shooting a three
Speaker 1: is better than basically any option other than a wide
Speaker 1: open layup, because down to a two only gets you
Speaker 1: an extra five minutes, as opposed to a three that
Speaker 1: can win the game but obviously down one or in
Speaker 1: this case, a tie, game drive to the basket, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, put some pressure.
Speaker 4: They get it with a second left or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and so I don't think they could let
Speaker 1: me double check that, I don't think they could hold
Speaker 1: for the last shot there if if I'm almost certain
Speaker 1: of that, because if they could that no, it was
Speaker 1: like four second there was like four second different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can't listen if he would have gone early there, that's.
Speaker 4: A that's a exact dangerous.
Speaker 1: He didn't go early, but at least I mean a
Speaker 1: couple seconds early. But the Knicks were going to get
Speaker 1: another shot no matter what. And so that part I
Speaker 1: totally that, that part's fine. It's just when you are
Speaker 1: in that moment, if you're Jason Tatum, you are what
Speaker 1: was he from three? I mean he's finished four for fifteen,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what he's shot in overtime, but
Speaker 1: in that moment, it's not like his three. And so
Speaker 1: that to me was a mistake. And you know, obviously
Speaker 1: should be noted they got nothing from Chris STAPs because
Speaker 1: Christaps left the game with an illness, and so you know,
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes zero points from Chris STAPs is you know,
Speaker 1: and Luke Cornett having to play seventeen minutes, Horford having
Speaker 1: to play thirty four minutes. That's not really on your
Speaker 1: Bingo card. I understand that. And White, Tatum, and Brown
Speaker 1: combining to go doing this on the fly twenty of
Speaker 1: sixty one from the field, none of that's on your
Speaker 1: Bengo card either. However, the Knicks built a team to
Speaker 1: defend Boston, and it just feels like last night, the
Speaker 1: only chance we had of getting a series is the
Speaker 1: Knicks winning that game. And when they're down twenty twenty
Speaker 1: midway through the third quarter, it feels like, Okay, Boston's
Speaker 1: just head and shoulders better than them, and the Knicks
Speaker 1: found a way to come back and steal it. I said, I.
Speaker 1: Now there's a couple other Knicks pieces I want to
Speaker 1: get to here, which is I am imploring coaches around
Speaker 1: the basketball world. If you have a player on your
Speaker 1: team that you want to play, that you want to
Speaker 1: give minutes to, but the other team is going to
Speaker 1: do the hack of player strategy, and he's so bad
Speaker 1: at free throws, you are going to blink and take
Speaker 1: him out of the game. If they do that, then
Speaker 1: you must adjust your rotation patterns so that player gets
Speaker 1: a disproportionate amount of his minutes at the very end
Speaker 1: of quarters and at the beginning of quarters. So the
Speaker 1: Knicks want to play Mitchell Robinson, and they did play
Speaker 1: him twenty one minutes and the Celtics, and there's another
Speaker 1: reason why the numbers can be misleading. The Celtics and
Speaker 1: Tatum saying, you know, we should play without refts and
Speaker 1: basically about the physicality. And then the Knicks shot thirty
Speaker 1: one free throws, the Celtics only shot twenty six.
Speaker 2: Still that said play without refs. I'm sorry, did Tatum
Speaker 2: say that for the game?
Speaker 1: Tatum said that. Yeah. Tatum was like, it's so physical,
Speaker 1: you might as well just want into.
Speaker 4: The refs up the court to get a call.
Speaker 1: Man, correct, that's yeah. But what I was saying about
Speaker 1: the free throw discrepancy is the free throw numbers are
Speaker 1: misleading because eight of the knicks thirty one free throws
Speaker 1: were hacka Mitch Robinson, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that that those were those were fouls you wanted called.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm making is Tibbs needs to adjust
Speaker 1: the rotation where Mitch is getting minutes at the start
Speaker 1: of the second or it's you're probably not gonna start
Speaker 1: the half with him at the start of the fourth
Speaker 1: because nobody goes to hack a player when you're at
Speaker 1: zero team fouls. They're not gonna just burn five team fouls.
Speaker 1: Put you in the bonus get the guy at the line.
Speaker 1: Where you get in trouble is when you put him
Speaker 1: in with five minutes left in the quarter. The other
Speaker 1: team's already at four team fouls, and then they can
Speaker 1: just put him on the line. But Mitch, despite the
Speaker 1: free throws, being brutal was useful for them. Listen, they decided,
Speaker 1: I implored on the show, see if Miles McBride Duce
Speaker 1: McBride can give you some minutes. He did. They couldn't
Speaker 1: guard in those minutes as the problem. And I do
Speaker 1: wonder if Precious becomes more of a featured player in
Speaker 1: this game, if they feel they can't in this series,
Speaker 1: if they can't play Mitchell Robinson. But you just play
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson, like if his stint is we're putting him
Speaker 1: in with two minutes left in the first when you
Speaker 1: can't foul away from the ball, and he is continuing
Speaker 1: that stint into the first five minutes of the second,
Speaker 1: when you're not in the bonus, you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about the hack of strategy and then do the
Speaker 1: same thing the third into the fourth, and now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you have fourteen Mitchell Robinson minutes where
Speaker 1: the hack of strategy is totally neutered. Like that, to
Speaker 1: me is something I'd look at if I were tips,
Speaker 1: And so I'm listen, I am going to try to
Speaker 1: go to Game three at the Garden. Those I looked
Speaker 1: it up. It is the the prices of these games
Speaker 1: at the Garden are so outrageous, so the same and
Speaker 1: I'm not talking court side, but I like fifth row,
Speaker 1: so really good seats, but not courtside. Those seats for
Speaker 1: Game one Timberwolves Warriors and the Warriors are either the
Speaker 1: biggest of the second biggest straw in the sport in
Speaker 1: Minnesota are like twelve hundred ticket. Those exact seats at
Speaker 1: MSG for Game three are right now selling for eleven
Speaker 1: grand a ticket. They have listed courtside seats for fifty
Speaker 1: grand a ticket. It's that the games at MSG, playoff games,
Speaker 1: the prices are just and it literally is cheaper to
Speaker 1: fly to Boston, get a hotel, and it's not like
Speaker 1: Boston It's not like Celtics don't have great fans and so,
Speaker 1: but I want to go to game three.
Speaker 4: Experience man, and.
Speaker 1: I mean your mom and I went to game two
Speaker 1: of Nicks Pistons. This would be something else. And so
Speaker 1: shout out to the Knicks. That was a great win.
Speaker 1: And can you win one of the next three and
Speaker 1: guarantee yourself you're getting a game six at MSG and
Speaker 1: then if all of a sudden you're in a game seven.
Speaker 1: The lesson every few years about a game seven is
Speaker 1: some random might have the night of their life. Buddy
Speaker 1: Heal did it over the weekend. You and I were together,
Speaker 1: de Monsay watching Grant Williams do it. Hit to Milwaukee
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, game seven of the thirteen Finals,
Speaker 1: the game after the Ray Allen game. If people remember
Speaker 1: it because Lebron had thirty seven and twelve and the
Speaker 1: Heat went back to back. What people forget about that
Speaker 1: game is Ray Allen and Chris bosh in that game
Speaker 1: combined for zero points. And the reason the Heat were
Speaker 1: able to stay ahead of the Spurs route was because
Speaker 1: Shane Battier off the bench hit six threes. The you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, the random role player. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Danny Green did it, not in the game seven, but
Speaker 1: Danny Green did it in the finals. But the random
Speaker 1: role player that just catches fire, and it's like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: this is how my season's going to end. Like again,
Speaker 1: the Knicks are drawing incredibly slim, but they would be.
Speaker 1: They would have been drawing dead had they lost last
Speaker 1: night and they didn't. You've got a couple follow ups
Speaker 1: here and then we can move on to So.
Speaker 2: I mean, for the way you talk, I could assume
Speaker 2: that you think the Knicks are the worst version. But
Speaker 2: you said that the Knicks are the version of a
Speaker 2: repeated version of the Celtics.
Speaker 4: Do you think that they're the worst version?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, they're not as good. They're clearly not
Speaker 1: as good, but they built the team with the Celtics
Speaker 1: in mind, and it is it's just like a every
Speaker 1: at every step, it's a slightly worse version, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, like, Brunson is awesome, and listen,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll feel differently after the series, but Brunson is
Speaker 1: just a tick beneath Tatum as a player, Karl Anthony
Speaker 1: Towns because of his lack of consistency, and you know,
Speaker 1: He's a very different player than Jalen Brown, but he's
Speaker 1: a level below Jalen Brown. Now, those other three guys
Speaker 1: Bridges annobe Hart versus Chris STAPs White Drew Holliday, depends
Speaker 1: on the night, those guys can kind of be playing
Speaker 1: each other even But then when we get to the bench,
Speaker 1: Horford's a far better back up big than Mitchell Robinson,
Speaker 1: and Peyton Brichard is a way better energy off the
Speaker 1: bench shooter than Deuce McBride. So it's just it's Kevin
Speaker 1: O'Connor's said this to me about I forgot what we
Speaker 1: were talking. Oh yeah, we were saying Joker to Shngoon
Speaker 1: to Sabonis. He said, is the Pokemon meme the shars are.
Speaker 1: I don't like where it's like three different versions of
Speaker 1: the same Pokemon, but they just get stronger and stronger.
Speaker 1: I don't know Pokemon, so I don't the I'm butchering that,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of what the Knicks are to the Celtics.
Speaker 1: The question is, for two weeks, can Jalen Brunson out
Speaker 1: play Jason Tatum. For two weeks, can Karl Anthony Towns
Speaker 1: play Jalen Brown to a push like can they do it?
Speaker 1: Probably not, But now they've got Now, now they're more
Speaker 1: than a puncher's chance. Go ahead, We've got a little,
Speaker 1: a little bit of life. And for me, selfishly, I
Speaker 1: want to say something I I would intense joy because
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't have a lot left to
Speaker 1: root for in these playoffs. I have stuff to root against.
Speaker 1: The I already the the the will. The take that
Speaker 1: will age better than any of my takes is the
Speaker 1: when the Warriors win, steps in the goat conversation, and
Speaker 1: when they lose, nobody you know it, nobody cares, and
Speaker 1: as evidenced by yesterday morning on ESPN, were served up
Speaker 1: steph is three series victories away from being in the
Speaker 1: goat conversation Like okay, uh fine, so be it. The
Speaker 1: after the Buddy healed game, I got it. So I
Speaker 1: get like, I I guess I'm rooting against that. I
Speaker 1: historically am not a big Celtics guy, So I guess
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the Nicks. Your mom's claims to be
Speaker 1: a Knicks fan, now, all this stuff. Oh, but here's
Speaker 1: what I'm truly rooting four in this postseason. Selfishly, all
Speaker 1: last year I had to I'll go back two years.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, at the end of the regular season,
Speaker 1: Kevin Wilds was just like the Bucks. Here's the reason
Speaker 1: why the Bucks are the best team. They and this
Speaker 1: one I didn't totally disagree with them on They would
Speaker 1: have gone back to back, but they dealt with injuries.
Speaker 1: It's so obviously and clearly the Bucks, and then they
Speaker 1: get popped in Round one last year. All year long,
Speaker 1: Wild's is only consistent take, No one's beating Denver in
Speaker 1: a seven game series. Denver is so obviously the team
Speaker 1: that won the championship last year. They are the champs,
Speaker 1: they're the best. No one's beating them, and then they
Speaker 1: blew a Game seven at home in Round two. All
Speaker 1: this year, Wilde's take has been his Denver take from
Speaker 1: last year, except it's about the Celtics, the team that
Speaker 1: won the championship last year. They're the best. No one
Speaker 1: can beat them in a seven game series. If in
Speaker 1: back to back years that team gets clipped in round two,
Speaker 1: it will just be so gratifying, and then we're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to listen to next year. No one's beating
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City in a seven game series. But so that
Speaker 1: really is at this point my rooting interest is paying
Speaker 1: for Wilds, primarily the Steph conversation not getting really untenably annoying. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I'd like the Knicks to do well because I'd
Speaker 1: like to be able to go to as many playoff
Speaker 1: games as possible here and in the West. Going into
Speaker 1: last night, I would have said in the West, I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for Aunt. But in one of the most shocking
Speaker 1: turn of events, turns of event I don't know turn.
Speaker 3: Of events in my sports fan life, I am finding
Speaker 3: it harder and harder not to root for Joker.
Speaker 1: I know nobody. I know nobody expects that from me
Speaker 1: because I was a Joker skeptic years back. But I
Speaker 1: find him to be so likable and so God dog good.
Speaker 4: Where you been at?
Speaker 1: Say it again, at Man, this is crazy. No, I
Speaker 1: It's just listen and we'll get to the nuggets in
Speaker 1: a moment. I we don't have to relitigate the MVP
Speaker 1: stuff and where I was on it and how I
Speaker 1: thought he was being anointed to a place he had
Speaker 1: not yet earned when other guys had to prove it.
Speaker 1: Set all that stuff aside. For the last two years,
Speaker 1: two years, I have been firmly in the it's very
Speaker 1: clear Jokers the best player in the world and an
Speaker 1: all time great camp And you can say I was
Speaker 1: two years late to it, fine, but when you say
Speaker 1: where you've been at, like what what propelled it? I
Speaker 1: think the added responsibility he's taken on with that team
Speaker 1: post Malone being fired is so special of him running
Speaker 1: these huddles, of him, you know, being you know, basically
Speaker 1: a player coach along with Dave Adelman and then seeing
Speaker 1: what they've been able to do is it's it is
Speaker 1: and this is as high of praise as I can
Speaker 1: give it. This that game, it's Lebron s where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't have a perfect team. We don't have you know,
Speaker 1: there's we fired our coach mid season and I have
Speaker 1: to take even a bigger responsibility and don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: With Jokicic is like his character type and his personality.
Speaker 2: I think it's even bigger that he's doing what he's
Speaker 2: doing right now. Yes, Lebron is obviously different from you, Kic,
Speaker 2: and I feel like is more comfortable taking that.
Speaker 1: Role correct and it feels like Joker would almost rather not.
Speaker 1: But it's like, okay, if this is what we need
Speaker 1: to do. And before we get to that game, one
Speaker 1: one piece if you were watching the very end of
Speaker 1: that game that I found incredibly endearing and I really liked,
Speaker 1: and it might have been a big reason they won
Speaker 1: the game. They put Joker in to guard the inbounds
Speaker 1: on the possession where Chet missed the free throws. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this it was an interesting decision because he had
Speaker 1: five fouls, so he obviously couldn't you know, once the
Speaker 1: ball gets inbounded, he has to stay away, but they're
Speaker 1: racing against the clock. Joker initially starts guarding the inbound
Speaker 1: and then immediately turns his back, but then also like
Speaker 1: flails about yeah, which it was strategically and basketball wise
Speaker 1: very smart. I ain't get. Just made it a little
Speaker 1: bit harder to get the ball unbounded where the Thunder
Speaker 1: wanted to and ended up going to Chat instead of SGA,
Speaker 1: which was ended up being a massive, massive event in
Speaker 1: that game. I think a lot of NBA super duper
Speaker 1: stars wouldn't have done that because they look so goofy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I really I know that sounds silly, but I
Speaker 1: really believe that, And I put that in the same
Speaker 1: bucket of Joker being the the opposite of the field
Speaker 1: goal percentage savings club. He takes every single end of
Speaker 1: quarter heave. He'll even like volleyball slap it like it
Speaker 1: is really uh. The pure dedication to like what can
Speaker 1: help my team in this moment, I find really endearing
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, Wow, who knows? Maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: we talked about it a bit there, but we didn't
Speaker 1: really get into the nitty gritty of it. Let's do
Speaker 1: Thunder Nuggets.
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of improbable second round wins, mane Denver coming
Speaker 2: off a game seven series with the Clippers, go in
Speaker 2: and battle the rested.
Speaker 4: Really they coming off like a week plus arrest. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: once see.
Speaker 2: The Okids drops forty two points, he had twenty two rebounds.
Speaker 4: Gord hit the game winning.
Speaker 2: Three after okayse he's late foul backfire. How do you
Speaker 2: feel about that game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So everyone's gonna talk about the fouling up three,
Speaker 1: and there's also gonna be some real criticism about the
Speaker 1: final foul by uh by the Thunder because Joker wasn't
Speaker 1: in the game, and it's like in Denver didn't have
Speaker 1: time out, wasn't gonna be able to get get in
Speaker 1: the game. I disagree with that criticism the way it's
Speaker 1: being phrased. They were gonna be able to get Joker
Speaker 1: back in the game, because what the Nuggets were going
Speaker 1: to do in that spot was rape. If you don't foul,
Speaker 1: race down the court, try to get a quick two,
Speaker 1: and then foul themselves, and when you foul yourself, then
Speaker 1: Joker can come back in where they Where I thought,
Speaker 1: and the broadcast pointed it out as well. Where I
Speaker 1: thought the thunder screwed up was the instantaneous fouling and
Speaker 1: not letting any time go off the clock. I thought
Speaker 1: was a strategic error, like you in the The first
Speaker 1: time they're doing it, the Nuggets are inbounding with thirteen
Speaker 1: point two. They foul at two twelve point two, so
Speaker 1: they within a second they foul. The next time they
Speaker 1: do it, the Nuggets are inbounding at eleven point zero.
Speaker 1: They foul at ten point one. So when you do
Speaker 1: that and it's a three point game, what you are
Speaker 1: flatly saying is we're not going to miss a single
Speaker 1: free throw. We in Oklahoma City are fully confident we
Speaker 1: are not missing one free throw. And the problem with
Speaker 1: that is you miss two. And I want to get
Speaker 1: to Joker in a second, But my my bigger takeaway
Speaker 1: from a lot of moments of that game, and it's
Speaker 1: not just that game, to be totally clear, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of what we've seen up to this point in
Speaker 1: what has been If we're being honest, a slightly underwhelming,
Speaker 1: not bad, but underwhelming. First few years for Chet is
Speaker 1: I was exactly right, which is a player that physically
Speaker 1: weak is going to have some issues. And at the
Speaker 1: very end of that game, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: moments where a stronger player could have made a more
Speaker 1: impactful play. There was an attempted put back he had
Speaker 1: where he got bumped, missed the put back and then
Speaker 1: lost the ball. In the waning moments. There was the
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon offensive rebound after the Russ miss. Now Gordon
Speaker 1: ended up missing the putback himself, but where he got
Speaker 1: bumped around, and so that is going to be and
Speaker 1: he's not going to get And this was the point
Speaker 1: I made about Chet coming out of school that either
Speaker 1: of the two explanations for why he was that thin,
Speaker 1: neither one of them should have made you optimistic about
Speaker 1: his ability to put on weight. Explanation one was the
Speaker 1: one we were given. He works out like a madman,
Speaker 1: eats like crazy, hits the weights, just can't put on
Speaker 1: the weight. Okay, then his body's just not built for
Speaker 1: it to put on weight. The other explanation is the
Speaker 1: guy doesn't care, like he didn't care, like he didn't try. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not great either, because it's the old It was
Speaker 1: the only like glaring weakness for him as a college star.
Speaker 1: And I think that you saw it in the waning
Speaker 1: moments last night. And then it got compounded by him
Speaker 1: missing two free throws and then getting lost in transition defense.
Speaker 1: And that was a transition spot where man, credit where
Speaker 1: credit is due, Demonse, you know who made the right
Speaker 1: basketball play, Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook, the whole world thought,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you did too. Russ is just going
Speaker 1: to just haphazardly crashed towards the basket in this transition
Speaker 1: opportunity and probably missed this layup with more velocity than
Speaker 1: any mislayup we've ever seen. And instead he calmed himself.
Speaker 1: Found Aaron Gordon and another credit where credits due. Aaron Gordon,
Speaker 1: who let again he's not a young player. I mean
Speaker 1: he's twenty nine, but like he's a veteran. Aaron Gordon
Speaker 1: last year twenty nine percent from three to sixty five
Speaker 1: percent from the line. Aaron Gordon this year forty four
Speaker 1: percent from three to eighty one percent from the line.
Speaker 1: He confidently, I mean for a player just real quick
Speaker 1: going into this year was a career thirty two percent
Speaker 1: three point shooter, sixty eight percent free throw shooter to
Speaker 1: in year eleven, up his three point percentage on way
Speaker 1: higher volume than he was shooting last year, almost double
Speaker 1: the threes, up his three point percentage twelve and a
Speaker 1: half points, and up his free throw percentage twelve and
Speaker 1: a half points. Is really impressive and he deserves massive
Speaker 1: credit for it. And he hit the biggest shot of
Speaker 1: the Nuggets season. Well, no, the biggest shot of the
Speaker 1: Nugget season was his dunk in Game four. But he
Speaker 1: now has two playoff game winners essentially, and it is
Speaker 1: so that is to me, just as.
Speaker 2: If for Russ is playing good basketball, watch out man
Speaker 2: Denver is scary.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like Russ of the X Factory.
Speaker 4: Michael Porter Juno scored two points last night.
Speaker 1: Lest Well, that's the thing. Truss had to play well
Speaker 1: because Porter didn't have it and the other guy credit
Speaker 1: to him, Peyton Watson. Now the Ayde Watson's numbers are grizzly.
Speaker 1: He's played fifteen minutes in a game his team won.
Speaker 1: They were minus twenty two in those fifteen minutes, which
Speaker 1: is means in the thirty three minutes he wasn't on
Speaker 1: the court. They were plus twenty four. So I'm not
Speaker 1: acting like Peyton Watson had this remarkable game, but when
Speaker 1: he was on the court down the stretch, he did
Speaker 1: have some He adds some length and some athleticism that
Speaker 1: that team at times feels like it's missing when you
Speaker 1: have a Jamal Murray Christian Brown backcourt and you're just wondering,
Speaker 1: you know who those guys can guard. And so that
Speaker 1: that sequence at the end puts for the a Thunder
Speaker 1: team that really has had no pressure on them at
Speaker 1: any moment all season, Demanse, they now face what I
Speaker 1: think is fair to call it an absolute, unequivocal must
Speaker 1: winning game two. Yeah, they can't go down two to
Speaker 1: Ozho at home. They just can't. And so and by
Speaker 1: the way, right now this moment, if I had to
Speaker 1: pick a champion, I would pick Oklahoma City, I thought,
Speaker 1: And again maybe I was dead wrong. I thought the
Speaker 1: Lakers presented unique problems for Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: But I just talking Western Conference or like totality or
Speaker 2: the no well I.
Speaker 1: Thought I thought the Thunder weren't gonna get to the
Speaker 1: finals because I thought the Lakers presented unique problems for them.
Speaker 1: The Lakers, you know, couldn't get out of their own
Speaker 1: way in round one. I think Oklahoma City presents unique
Speaker 1: problems for Boston and you know, and again we don't
Speaker 1: know who's going to be there in these so I'm
Speaker 1: not at all writing off Oklahoma the city. What I
Speaker 1: am saying is that they have to win Game two.
Speaker 1: And now I want to talk about Nikali Jokic because
Speaker 1: that was an all time performance, man, and that the
Speaker 1: sequence that will be lost to the history of the
Speaker 1: crazy finish was because keep in mind, they're down nine
Speaker 1: with two and a half minutes left, like they they had,
Speaker 1: they had made it a game, but it was still
Speaker 1: the Thunder were infirm control. They're down nine with two
Speaker 1: and a half minutes left. Joker draws a foul after
Speaker 1: being oddly shaky at the line this postseason, makes both
Speaker 1: free throws. Okay, next time down, Hartenstein miss Russ gets
Speaker 1: to the line, goes one of two, not six point game.
Speaker 1: Two minutes left, Chet misses a three. Joker takes his time,
Speaker 1: takes his time, gets in for a little five footer.
Speaker 1: Now it's a four point game. Shay misses uh nineteen footer.
Speaker 1: This is where Chet I think had the offensive rebound,
Speaker 1: lost it got bumped, Gordon gets it, Nuggets time out,
Speaker 1: and that next possession, Joker has Hartenstein up at the
Speaker 1: top top of the key. Hartenstein's doing this whole crazy
Speaker 1: thing with his hands, putting one hand right. Yeah, de
Speaker 1: Monse should doing it too, but he was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just one hand demonse. He was like alternating, I'm doing
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna foul, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to distract you. And Joker very calmly
Speaker 1: surveys the situation. In that moment, Jokers one for five
Speaker 1: from three and just nails a three, and now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's a one point game. Next time down,
Speaker 1: Uh the nugget. The Nuggets get another stop they get
Speaker 1: Joker finds Russ for an open three miss, Gordon gets
Speaker 1: the rebound, kind of forces it, and then it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: did they miss their opportunity? And then all the free
Speaker 1: throw shenanigans happen and that we talked about already. But
Speaker 1: Nikola Jokic, the seven turnovers not great. You can deal
Speaker 1: with it when he has forty two twenty two and
Speaker 1: six on better than fifty percent efficiency ten of thirteen
Speaker 1: from the free throw line and was doing it a
Speaker 1: lot of it, sitting on five fouls knowing, and I
Speaker 1: was nervous for him because it seemed like the thunder
Speaker 1: weren't too worried about Caruso or guys that size getting
Speaker 1: matched up on jokicchen the post, and I thought that
Speaker 1: might be because one of these guys when Joker does
Speaker 1: the turn yet exactly right that they're going to that
Speaker 1: they're gonna flail back and he's gonna get a cheap
Speaker 1: sixth foul. But he was very sharp to avoid it.
Speaker 1: And the Nuggets just in this three point era, they're
Speaker 1: just total refusal to commit to shooting threes. Maybe it'll
Speaker 1: be the death of them, but I mean they they
Speaker 1: made ten last night, which is fine for them. They
Speaker 1: on they only shot thirty two. I with there has
Speaker 1: been this ongoing theory, so to speak, in NBA Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like the theory that because of
Speaker 1: the apron restrictions and the new CBA and the depth
Speaker 1: of talent in the league, that we have moved past
Speaker 1: an era of like who's the best player in the series,
Speaker 1: who's got the best duo in the series, and instead
Speaker 1: it's more about what they called it is the weak
Speaker 1: link era that it's more about, is my worst player
Speaker 1: that I play better than your worst player? Do you
Speaker 1: have someone I can exploit and I don't have someone
Speaker 1: you can exploit? And the Thunder and the Celtics and
Speaker 1: the Caves and the Knicks are all kind of that
Speaker 1: have built their team with that in mind. Week links,
Speaker 1: you know, like, we're gonna have five quality players on
Speaker 1: the court for crunch time out all times. The Nuggets,
Speaker 1: it's more about, yeah, but we got that fucking dude
Speaker 1: and you don't. And I know Shay's gonna win MVP,
Speaker 1: but Joker last night and Shaye, by the way, was
Speaker 1: really good last night. The you know, Jalen Williams wasn't great,
Speaker 1: Chet was bad, Shay was excellent, and Crusoe was excellent, excellent.
Speaker 2: I like, do you think that Yolk is trying to
Speaker 2: prove a point here against SGA, you know, with the
Speaker 2: whole MVP thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he was trying to prove a point.
Speaker 1: But Demons, you should go back you after the show
Speaker 1: or sometime today, you should just type into YouTube a
Speaker 1: keem Olajuan David Robinson MVP playoffs. So nineteen ninety five
Speaker 1: is the playoffs, it's in ninety four ninety five, I
Speaker 1: think it's ninety five. A Keem is the defending champ,
Speaker 1: the defending MVP, and I want to make sure I
Speaker 1: get this exactly right, but I'm sure I have it right.
Speaker 1: And it's him and David Robinson basically for MVP. And
Speaker 1: I wonder what the voting was. I'm gonna look it
Speaker 1: up real quick because it ends up going to David Robinson.
Speaker 1: And a team was another guy, an international player. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe people didn't totally get his personality at all times,
Speaker 1: but insanely competitive. So a Teme that year, by the way,
Speaker 1: didn't even That's the part I had wrong. I knew
Speaker 1: I had some of it wrong. A team came in
Speaker 1: fifth and in VP voting because that year the Rockets,
Speaker 1: as the defending champs, were not very good in the
Speaker 1: regular season and then added Clyde Drexler and turned it
Speaker 1: on in the postseason. But that MVP voting when David
Speaker 1: Robinson won, shack to Karl Malone three ewing for a
Speaker 1: team five. By the way, what a different league was
Speaker 1: many or the top five or centers with the other
Speaker 1: one being Karl Malone. So the NBA used to they don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they. They used to always give
Speaker 1: out the MVP award on the court before a playoff game,
Speaker 1: and they were able to do it because the MVP
Speaker 1: was always on like the one of the two seed,
Speaker 1: and you knew they would be alive late in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And a team watched David Robinson before Game two of
Speaker 1: this series get the MVP award and it Keem put
Speaker 1: him in an all time torture chamber and the highlights
Speaker 1: of a Keem doing his dream shake and his footwork,
Speaker 1: and it all culminated Demons in just a vintage a
Speaker 1: Keem game of forty one, sixteen four, three and.
Speaker 4: Two almost identical stats to Yokis.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah for real and the and and also
Speaker 1: in that game, I mean, David Robinson was fine, but
Speaker 1: everyone remembers it for what it. I mean, David Robinson
Speaker 1: more than final he had thirty two and twelve, remembers
Speaker 1: it for what a cheme did to him.
Speaker 2: And it was I mean, that is kind that makes
Speaker 2: it very juicy.
Speaker 4: Given the MVP award.
Speaker 1: Right there and there, it's like, all right, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: watching it. And the only part of that story I
Speaker 1: might have wrong is did they give Robinson the MVP
Speaker 1: before for game one? I'm now starting to think maybe
Speaker 1: they did because Game one because the way I remember it,
Speaker 1: a Keme was awesome and Robinson really struggled. Game one
Speaker 1: of that series, Robinson was five of seventeen from the
Speaker 1: field and a team had twenty seven, eight, six and
Speaker 1: five blocks. But regardless, point is a Keem watched David
Speaker 1: Robinson win an MVP that he thought should have been
Speaker 1: his and then beat him to go to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: And in that series to beat him, he averaged thirty five, thirteen,
Speaker 1: five and four blocks, just a you might have the trophy.
Speaker 1: I'm the best damn player alive. And that was you know,
Speaker 1: that was the year Jordan came back at the end. Whatever,
Speaker 1: spend too much time on the ninety five Western Conference Finals,
Speaker 1: I mean, and the you should watched the highlights. Toying
Speaker 1: he seems to be toying with Robinson. It's really and
Speaker 1: a team's blocks in that series by game five, two, five, three, five, five. Again,
Speaker 1: I go to the What's Right YouTube page like great
Speaker 1: subscribe review for the full video on a Keem Olajuan
Speaker 1: time as of late, one of the most underrated players
Speaker 1: in NBA history. He then went on to the finals
Speaker 1: and swept Shack and thoroughly outplayed Shack young athletic Shack.
Speaker 1: He scored thirty plus in every single game of that series,
Speaker 1: and in those finals averaged thirty three, twelve and six
Speaker 1: with two steals and two blocks a game to win
Speaker 1: his back to back championships. And people have the audacity
Speaker 1: to say that Jordan would have won eight straight man
Speaker 1: not with a Kim Olajuan sitting across from the other comperence.
Speaker 4: Say it again, I mean all that turned into well.
Speaker 1: Because it's it's so One of the reasons a chem
Speaker 1: is so disrespected is people act like those rings didn't
Speaker 1: count because for the first year Jordan was playing baseball
Speaker 1: and for the second year, he.
Speaker 4: Came in midway through the season.
Speaker 1: And so but so, and I'm just here to tell
Speaker 1: you those rings counted. But regardless, the reason I'm saying
Speaker 1: all this is, I gotta think they announced Shay as
Speaker 1: MVP before Game two. I think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And if it's not before game two, it'll be before
Speaker 1: Game five. Either way, I gotta think we're getting a
Speaker 1: thirty years later potentially the same type of thing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I'm excited to see it. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to some of the Games seven stuff that
Speaker 1: we weren't able to get to.
Speaker 2: Uh So, yeah, you went off on your on your
Speaker 2: show yesterday, you called James Harden the biggest choker in
Speaker 2: modern sports history?
Speaker 4: Was that what you called him? Yes? Do you think
Speaker 4: that's you think that's fair?
Speaker 1: Who else is in the argument? Just tell someone. I
Speaker 1: just need someone to tell me who the other contenders are.
Speaker 1: And here's the deal. I'm going to pull up these
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull up these numbers real quick. So Harden, Lebron,
Speaker 1: Steph Durant, those are the four guys of the era.
Speaker 1: And as far as just having uh okay, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have included Chris Paul, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: But that's and that that's a fair one. But I
Speaker 1: just want to give you these numbers career playoff games.
Speaker 1: Demonse less than four made baskets, Durant has two, Steph
Speaker 1: has three, Lebron has five. Give me a guess for Harden.
Speaker 4: Just give a number Harden. All right, So you said
Speaker 4: those guys numbers, I'll go.
Speaker 1: Nine thirty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those guys have obviously played a lot more
Speaker 2: than well.
Speaker 1: I don't Harden's played a bunch. I don't think Lebron's
Speaker 1: played a lot more. But yeah, but you know Harden
Speaker 1: was Okay, hold on, that was so again, thirty five
Speaker 1: career playoff games with less than four maybe.
Speaker 4: How many of those were on? Okay?
Speaker 1: See, uh a hand a decent amount. But again he
Speaker 1: the the only one you can really throw out is
Speaker 1: the like his for want to throw out you know,
Speaker 1: ten of those games because it was young, young James Harden,
Speaker 1: but he was you know, sixth Man of the year
Speaker 1: and going two for ten in the finals. All right,
Speaker 1: hold on, I got a couple more for you. Career
Speaker 1: playoff games with under five made baskets. Again, I'll give
Speaker 1: you the numbers for everyone else. KD four, Steph eight,
Speaker 1: Lebron nine, James Harden fifty five.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: And then last one career playoff games where you have
Speaker 1: at least as many turnovers or more turnovers than made
Speaker 1: shots Durant seven, Steph thirteen, Lebron seventeen, James Harden.
Speaker 4: More turnovers than made shots.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, yeah, seven, steph thirteen, Lebron's seventeen, James
Speaker 1: Harden forty two, forty two. It's more turnovers than made shots,
Speaker 1: It's the biggest one, right there. Or as many turnovers
Speaker 1: as made shots, as many or more. Uh So, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. So even if you want to be like, well,
Speaker 1: those first two stats were about you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: playing as many minute he's off the bench. That that
Speaker 1: clears that up. And it's just demons. I used to
Speaker 1: be the biggest hardened defender. He had such a horrific
Speaker 1: Game six against San Antonio in twenty seventeen when Kawhi
Speaker 1: and Tony Parker were out and the Rockets lost by
Speaker 1: thirty nine points that I said, I thought he had
Speaker 1: an undiagnosed concussion.
Speaker 4: It's just.
Speaker 1: And so there is there is no comp for it.
Speaker 1: And so oh if people want to, we don't have to.
Speaker 1: It's just at this point who he is, the moment
Speaker 1: gets too big.
Speaker 4: It was turned around there for a second.
Speaker 1: He always has these moments and then it's the game
Speaker 1: six or a game seven, and he takes seven shots,
Speaker 1: he takes eight shots. He has he has I think
Speaker 1: six playoff games where he was two for ten, two
Speaker 1: for eleven, or two for twelve from the field, ask
Speaker 1: this follow up about Russ, and then we'll get to
Speaker 1: the Warriors.
Speaker 2: So who do you think will end up having a
Speaker 2: better legacy when it's all said and done between Russ
Speaker 2: and Harden?
Speaker 1: So I think this is really it depends on what
Speaker 1: your value. So Harden's a better all time player, and
Speaker 1: like he has, he's gonna have better numbers on better
Speaker 1: teams more of a part of winning. They both won
Speaker 1: one MVP. But Russ is gonna be an icon and
Speaker 1: Harden is going to be uh a placeholder for choking
Speaker 1: like people are comparing you to like the choke artists
Speaker 1: and future right, and so the answer is Russ, Like,
Speaker 1: the answer is definitely Russ. All right, this we went
Speaker 1: longer than I was supposed to go here, so we
Speaker 1: got to hurry up through the end here. So let's
Speaker 1: do some Warriors T Wolves.
Speaker 4: Warriors and Tea Wolves are facing off.
Speaker 2: They start today, They're both they start today, and they're
Speaker 2: both coming off of Round one upsets you in the
Speaker 2: past have picked against the Warriors.
Speaker 4: Do you plan on doing it here?
Speaker 1: Yes? And in fact, thanks to my friends at DraftKings,
Speaker 1: uh and I man, I thought I gave out a
Speaker 1: great winner on Twitter for the Game seven, I had
Speaker 1: under for Harden Nuggets to win this for Clippers Nuggets
Speaker 1: Game seven, I had under for Harden Nuggets to win
Speaker 1: and then a Joker triple double, but the Nuggets blew
Speaker 1: them out so much Joker didn't have to play all
Speaker 1: those minutes and then it on eight assists. But I've
Speaker 1: got I've got a series bet. I like a lot,
Speaker 1: which is Minnesota to win Game one and the series
Speaker 1: that's almost even money minus one p fifteen. Of course,
Speaker 1: line's an odd subject to change, and we're out here
Speaker 1: moving line, so you know that could change quickly. But
Speaker 1: I ain't the Warriors. I understand this is not how
Speaker 1: some of the other series have played out where we
Speaker 1: just saw it with the Nuggets having all this energy.
Speaker 1: But I think the Warriors are gonna be a little
Speaker 1: out of gas after that seven game rock fight with Houston,
Speaker 1: and I think Minnesota is gonna come out rested and
Speaker 1: fresh after their series ended almost a full week ago
Speaker 1: against the Lakers. So I love Minnesota tonight, and I
Speaker 1: love Minnesota in the series. I just think Minnesota. I
Speaker 1: thought Houston presented real problems for the rock for Golden State,
Speaker 1: and we saw it and that series. Listen credit, Steph
Speaker 1: was brilliant in Game one, in Game three and then
Speaker 1: had was awesome in the second half of Game seven,
Speaker 1: and all of that plus Buddy Healed, plus the fact
Speaker 1: that Jalen Green is not a serious person, and okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm sorry. First of all, I'm not sorry. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a serious person, and he's not a
Speaker 1: reliable basketball player. And Shingoon got shook by Draymond. Legit
Speaker 1: shook by Draymond, and you add the Buddy Healed game
Speaker 1: and the Warriors win the series flip sided. All that
Speaker 1: is all that could have happened. And if Shingoon could
Speaker 1: have made that twelve footer in Game four, maybe it's Rockets.
Speaker 1: And six. I thought the Warriors loss in Game six
Speaker 1: in their building, letting go of the rope the way
Speaker 1: they did was wildly concerning, and eying Minnesota can present
Speaker 1: a lot of the same size, strength, length problems for
Speaker 1: the Warriors that the Rockets did, except they also have
Speaker 1: guys that can make baskets. An ant is not gonna
Speaker 1: do what Shingoon or Jalen Green did, as far as
Speaker 1: getting shook, here's the other element of it. Obviously, Draymond
Speaker 1: and Rudy have a history. Draymond also is already flirting
Speaker 1: with a potential suspension. Draymond got very lucky the refs
Speaker 1: gave him a technical and not a flagrant for hitting
Speaker 1: Fred van Vliet in the face. I thought they did
Speaker 1: that because technically it was after the whistle. But then
Speaker 1: last night Joker got a flagrant for the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: He got fouled and flailed and hit someone I forget
Speaker 1: who in the head and so. But Draymond is sitting
Speaker 1: at four technicals or three technicals, four technicals I think
Speaker 1: three more and you get suspended. And he is sitting
Speaker 1: at two flagrant foul points four hit loudor that's who
Speaker 1: it was. He's sitting at two flagrant foul points four
Speaker 1: you get suspended. So if he gets one flagrant two
Speaker 1: in this series, he will be thrown out of that
Speaker 1: game and suspended for the next. If he gets two
Speaker 1: flagrant ones, he will be suspended for the next game.
Speaker 1: Which is to say this, If I'm wrong and the
Speaker 1: Warriors advance, Draymond is a lock to be suspended for
Speaker 1: a playoff game again, there is no chance he can
Speaker 1: make it through the next month. Committing only one flagrant
Speaker 1: fault and getting two technicals. There's no chance. So he's
Speaker 1: already you know, started that clock. I also just feel
Speaker 1: like we are very likely to see something very similar
Speaker 1: demonse to what we saw from the Warriors in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. In twenty twenty three, they got a bigger
Speaker 1: fight than they expected from the Kings. From the Kings,
Speaker 1: and they needed a heroic Steph Curry Game seven the
Speaker 1: fifty points to get to the Lakers. And then in
Speaker 1: that Lakers series, they were pretty out of gas and
Speaker 1: Stephan the series was fine, he was twenty seven, five
Speaker 1: and seven on forty four thirty four splits, but they
Speaker 1: lost Game one. They then went down three one on
Speaker 1: and then let go of the rope in Game four.
Speaker 1: In Game six, and I just think Minnesota present we
Speaker 1: saw really like whatever Steven Adams problems he caused, Go
Speaker 1: Bear is gonna cause more, and Go Bear is feeling
Speaker 1: better than he's ever felt in his basketball life after
Speaker 1: that Game five, and he's gonna get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: get revenge on Draymond for trying to choke him out
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be able to say I've beaten everybody.
Speaker 1: So yeah, credit to the Warriors. I was wrong about
Speaker 1: them in that first series. I picked Rockets and seven
Speaker 1: of his Warriors and seven.
Speaker 4: Now they get got this. It's this round.
Speaker 1: This is the round. Do you think you think I'm wrong? No?
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 4: No, I agree with you. But I just think that's funny.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, the Rockets are It's like, all right, now,
Speaker 2: gonna get him.
Speaker 1: And guess what if I'm wrong, I'll probably pick against
Speaker 1: him in the next round. So I'm just letting you
Speaker 1: guys know.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Warriors are that good. I don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be proven wrong. I don't think the Warriors
Speaker 1: are that good. That's a great spot to finish the show.
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