1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland. The after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after Party. 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: we are discussing Lady gagat conspiracies, Kanye West's apology, and 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: in our exclusive section, we're gonna dig into the David 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Bowie Kanye West conspiracy to end all conspiracies, plus tell 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: up telling someone else. All Right, this goes, Let's get 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: into it, okay. As noted in our recent episode on 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, the best conspiracy theories are fueled by bizarre truths, 18 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: which is why the Gaga conspiracy theories are compelling compared 19 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: to say, the conspiracy theories about Kanye West. The theory 20 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: that Kanye is a clone, the theory that Kanye is 21 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's protector, that Kanye is David Bowie's starman. This theory, 22 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: by the way, is batshit crazy, and Zeth and I 23 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: are unpacking it in the exclusive section of the After 24 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: Party that's coming up later. The Kanye Bowie theory aside, though, 25 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: there are also the numerous conspiracy theories Kanye himself has spread. Now. 26 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: Most are gross anti Semitic vitriol that I'm not going 27 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: to repeat here, but good examples of the awful behavior 28 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: that Kanye is now seeking to redeem himself of, and 29 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: that ladies and gentlemen is news. Okay, just this past Monday, 30 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: on January twenty fifth, twenty twenty six, Kanye, excuse me, 31 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: I keep calling him Kanye. I'm supposed to call him 32 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: ye or Yea or however the hell it's pronounced. I'm 33 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: calling him Kanye. Kanye took out a full page in 34 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal earlier this week on Monday. Okay, 35 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to read it in its entirety. Don't worry, 36 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: It's relatively short. But I'm doing this for a reason, 37 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: mainly because I want to know what you guys think 38 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: of this apology? Is it enough for you to forgive him? 39 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all aware of his transgressions, and he's 40 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: going to talk about the worst of them in this letter. 41 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: So I want to know if this apology, if it 42 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: if it holds up for you guys, if it carries 43 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: the water, and if not, why not. I'll let you 44 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: know my thoughts on the other end, all right? Like 45 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: I said, this is a paid advertisement in the Wall 46 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: Street Journal titled to Those I've Hurt by Ye Yay 47 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: I Can Never Get It Right, formerly known as Kanye West. 48 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: To Those I've Hurt. Twenty five years ago, I was 49 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: in a car accident that broke my jaw and caused 50 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: injury to the right frontal lobe of my brain. At 51 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: the time, the focus was on the visible damage, the fracture, 52 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: the swelling, and the immediate physical trauma. The deeper injury, 53 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: the one inside my skull, went on noticed. Comprehensive scans 54 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: were not done, neurological exams were limited, and the possibility 55 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: of a frontal lobe injury was never raised. It wasn't 56 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: properly diagnosed until twenty twenty three, and that medical oversight 57 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: cause serious damage to my mental health and let to 58 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: my bipolar type one diagnosis. Bipolar disorder comes with its 59 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: own defense system, denial. When your manic, you don't think 60 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: you're sick. You think everyone else is overreacting. You feel 61 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: like you're seeing the world more clearly than ever, when 62 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: in reality, you're losing your grip entirely. Once people label 63 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: you as crazy, you feel as if you cannot contribute 64 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: anything meaningful to the world. It's easy for people to 65 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: joke and laugh it off, when in fact this is 66 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: a very serious, debilitating disease you can die from. According 67 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: to the World Health Organization and Cambridge University, people with 68 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: bipolar disorder have a life expectancy that is shortened by 69 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years on average, and a two to 70 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: three times higher all cause mortality rate than the general population. 71 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: This is on par with severe heart disease, type one, diabetes, HIV, 72 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: and cancer, all lethal and fatal if left untreated. The 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: scariest thing about this disorder is how persuasive it is 74 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: when it tells you you do not need help. It 75 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: makes you blind, but convinced you have insight. You feel powerful, certain, unstoppable. 76 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: I lost touch with reality things got worse the longer 77 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: I ignored the problem. I said and did things I 78 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: deeply regret. Some of the people I love the most 79 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: I treated the worst. You endured fear, confusion, humiliation, and 80 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: the exhaustion of trying to have someone who was at 81 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: times unrecognizable looking back, I became detached from my true 82 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: self in that fractured state, I gravitated toward the most 83 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: destructive symbol I could find, the swastika, and even sold 84 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: T shirts bearing it. And one of the difficult aspects 85 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: of having bipolar type one are the disconnected moments, many 86 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: of which I still cannot recall, that led to poor 87 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: judgment and reckless behavior that oftentimes feels like an out 88 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: of body experience. I regret and in deeply mortified by 89 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: my actions in that state, and am committed to accountability, 90 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: treatment and meaningful change. It does not excuse what I did. 91 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: Though I am not a Nazi or an anti Semi. 92 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: I love Jewish people to the Black community, which held 93 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: me down through all the highs and lows and the 94 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: darkest of times. The Black community is unquestionably the foundation 95 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: of who I am. I am so sorry to have 96 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: let you down. I love us In early twenty twenty five, 97 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: I fell into a four month long manic episode of psychotic, 98 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: paranoid and impulsive behavior that destroyed my life. As the 99 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: situation became increasingly unsustainable, there were times I didn't want 100 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: to be here anymore. Having bipolar disorder is a notable 101 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: state of constant mental illness. When you go into a 102 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: manic episode, you are ill. At that point, when you 103 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: are not in an episode, you are completely normal, and 104 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: that's when the wreckage from the illness hits the hardest, 105 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: hitting rock bottom. A few months ago, my wife encouraged 106 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: me to finally get help. I have found comfort in 107 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: reddit forms of all places. Different people speak of being 108 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: in manic or depressive episodes of a similar nature. I 109 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: read their stories and realize that I was not alone. 110 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: It's not just me who ruins their entire life once 111 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: a year. Despite taking meds every day and being told 112 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: by the so called best doctors in the world that 113 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I am not bipolar but merely experiencing symptoms of autism, 114 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: my words as a leader in my community have global 115 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: impact and influence. In my mania, I lost complete sight 116 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: of that. As I find my new baseline and new 117 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: center through an effective regime of medication, therapy, exercise, and 118 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: clean living. I have new found, much needed clarity. I 119 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: am pouring my energy into positive, meaningful art, music, clothing design, 120 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: and other new ideas to help the world. I'm not 121 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: asking for so empathy or a free pass, though I 122 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: aspire to earn your forgiveness. I write today simply to 123 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: ask for your patience and understanding as I find my 124 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: way home with love. Ye, So what do you think? 125 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: I really want to know, and I'm I'm hesitant to 126 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: let you know what I think because I don't want to. 127 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to influence your opinion in any way. 128 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: And I guess I don't have I don't have a 129 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: firm take on this yet. You know, noticeably, the phrase 130 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry or I apologize is missing from that entire statement. 131 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: He does talk about earning our forgiveness, he does talk 132 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: about his regret over what he had said, and he 133 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: clearly damns and judges himself for it. So that could 134 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: just be a semantic thing. But everything else seems so 135 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: intentional in this letter that it also seems kind of 136 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: intentional that that phrase wasn't there. I don't know, I 137 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm willing. I guess what I'm saying is, 138 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. 139 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: I think Kanye West is one of the greatest musical 140 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: artists from pop music that we've we've ever had. He's tremendous, 141 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: tremendously talented, you know, on the level with the great 142 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: greatest of all time. And I think what has happened 143 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: to him is to use a word intentionally disgraceful. And 144 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: you know, though I'm not part of the black community, 145 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: I do feel let down by him just as a 146 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: as not even as a Kanye fan, but just as 147 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: a fan of music. So I don't really know what 148 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: to make of this. I'm willing to give him the 149 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I'm trying try not to look 150 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: at this with one cynicism, because that's not that's not 151 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: my jam. That's not how I look at anything really 152 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: except politics. So it's a difficult one. I think what 153 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is, you know, I've done some some 154 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: thinking here. Okay, I've done very little research, but I've 155 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: done some thinking, and you know that thinking, you know, 156 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: let me. When I read this, I had a couple thoughts. First, 157 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: why now why is he doing this now? Second, is 158 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: Kanye broke And the answer to that question is no, 159 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: not even close. After his racist breakdown, his net worth 160 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: plummeted from two point seven billion down to an estimated 161 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: four hundred million. Now, Kanye disputes this valuation, pegging his 162 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: net worth himself closer to the original two billion, but 163 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: after losing valuable partnerships with Adidas the gap Balenciaga said, 164 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: I pronounce that bllan. It's hard to see how that 165 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: two bill number is even the less than two point 166 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: seven bill, the two bill number that Kanye is saying. 167 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: It's it's hard to see how that's accurate. But still, 168 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: even if it's just four hundred million, that's four hundred million. 169 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: And I don't care who you are, what type of 170 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: lifestyle you are used to, four hundred million is still 171 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: fuck you money. So no, Kanye West isn't broke and 172 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't need the money here. So if it's not 173 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: the money, can we presume perhaps the Kanye, despite whatever 174 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: other selfish reasons he might have, social standing, access to 175 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: his kids, audience, growth, whatever, can we presume here that 176 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: he's being sincere that his bipolar condition is the actual 177 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: reason and that he's truly sorry. I can buy the excuse, 178 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I guess I think, even though that's not what he's 179 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: calling it. I don't want to put words in his mouth. 180 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: He didn't really come out and literally say this is 181 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: the excuse, though he is giving. It is a reason. 182 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: Lots of people are sick, and Kanye West certainly seems 183 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: like he's one of them. But is he truly sorry that? 184 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope so. So what I'm 185 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: gonna do is dig more into Kanye West and try 186 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: to find out all to say, it feels like there's 187 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: a Kanye West episode coming soon. In the meantime, however, 188 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys think of this apology. 189 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: Do you believe number one, do you believe his remorse 190 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: is sincere? And number two? Can you still listen to 191 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: his music? Either or both? Answers to six one seven 192 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight to let me 193 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: know and you might hear your answer on next week's 194 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: after Party Bonus episode. And don't sleep on this, David 195 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: Bowie Kanye West conspiracy theory that I mentioned earlier, Zeth 196 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: and I are unpacking it in the exclusive section of 197 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: this episode. 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Coming up tomorrow in the rewind 210 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: slot is our Kendrick Lamar episode, and then next week 211 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: our brand new episode on Jane's Addiction. This is part 212 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: two of our Jan's Addiction story. We'll be rolling out 213 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: Part one on Monday from our archive as a refresher, 214 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: and then the new Jane' Ediction story on the grimy 215 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: true crime origins of the band will hit on Tuesday. 216 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: So when you're listening to Jane's edition, part to be 217 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: thinking about which band best embodies the nineteen nineties? Is 218 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: it Jane's addiction? Now hold up. I know some of 219 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: you are going to go straight to Nirvana or to 220 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: another Seattle band, but without Jane's addiction paving the way 221 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: through the mainstream First, As we discussed in this coming episode, 222 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine Nirvana or anyone else breaking out 223 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: in that most glorious decade. So the question is which 224 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: band best embodies the nineties? For you, guys, text me 225 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: or call me and leave me a voicemail six one 226 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight, and you 227 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: might just hear your answer on next week's after party. 228 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: Coming up your answers to last week's Question of the 229 00:14:40,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: week right after this. All right, guys, we are back 230 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. 231 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: You guys, want to send me a voicemail. You want 232 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: to leave me a message, You want to answer one 233 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: of our questions, the question of the week. You want 234 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: to send me a text? All that through six one 235 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight. You want 236 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: to connect with me in any way, that is the 237 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: best way to do it. Let's check out this voicemail. 238 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: It's a long one, but it's a good one, this 239 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: one from the nine to one six. 240 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: Jake, this is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina calling 241 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: in about last week's bonus episode about the Grammys and 242 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: then the Grammys are iconic. You know, I agree with 243 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: your take that it's a mess. It's totally unrepresentative of 244 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: what the fans really care about. It has everything to 245 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: do with what the industry wants to push. But there's 246 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: been so many great Grammy moments. I think back to 247 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: Henry Rawlins performing a liar to a stunned crowd of 248 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: tuxedo clad music executives, while Henry Rollins is himself wearing 249 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: a tuxedo, but of course he's barefoot, as he always is. 250 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: You know, Eddie Vedder said it best when he accepted 251 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: his Grammy in nineteen ninety six for Vitology. You know, 252 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: I'd understand what it means to get to an award 253 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: for art. What does it really mean? Or even just 254 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: this last year, when Kendrick Lamar swept the Grammys and 255 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: had an entire arena of Drake's collaborators and so called 256 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: friends singing the seminal line from one of the great 257 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: distracts of all time. You know, The Grammys have some 258 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: full circle too. Here we are this year, and I'm 259 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: encouraged to see bands like Turnstile and Wet Leg and 260 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: Amel and the Sniffers and Young Blood had been nominated. 261 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: But in those same categories you have the Death Tones 262 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: in Lincoln Parks nominated. So if you go back to 263 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: Jethro Toll beating out Metallic, which at times seemed crazy 264 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: to me, you know, seventeen years after Apalong came out 265 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: and they were no longer relevant, You've got the Death 266 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: Tones up against Turnstile twenty six years after their breakout 267 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: album lay Tony was released, and they might just win. 268 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: Do I want to see the Death Tones when Grammy? Hell, 269 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: yes I do. But you know, would it be a 270 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: shame for Turnstile to lose? Definitely? But I guess either 271 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: die a hero you live long enough to see yourself 272 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: become the villain. Anyway, it's going to be a mess. 273 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be watching. It's always fun. We hate the 274 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: Grammys until the band that you love wins one, and 275 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: then you feel like you're validated. I'd understand it, but 276 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 2: that's part of the fun of being a music fan. 277 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say rock a Roller, Jacob, all. 278 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: Right, I love this. It's thoughtful nine to one six. 279 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and I love I love how 280 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: you framed the death Tones. The Deaftones are are to 281 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: Turnstyle what Jethrow Tall was to Metallica. You didn't say 282 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: it quite that way, but that's essentially what you're saying, 283 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: and it makes it makes a lot of sense. And yeah, 284 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: if the Deaftones win, I'm gonna be upset, because yeah, 285 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: I love your whole take here, and to your point, 286 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: we do hate the Grammys until the band that we 287 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: love knabs one. So I will be upset if the 288 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: Deaftones win and Turnstyle loses. In conversy, I'll be excited 289 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: if Turnstyle wins. There, you got me. There it is. 290 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't hate the Grammys, I guess. All right, let's 291 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: hear from the five. 292 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: Away as Mike from the five Away, And so I 293 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: was thinking about, you know, the previous question of the 294 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: best female artist to cover. You know, I noticed that 295 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: unless after perty with all the talk about the first 296 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: generation punk bands and you know, and the throwback episode 297 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: to MC five, we forgot a humongous, glaring RT, which 298 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: is why is there no episode on Patti Smith. It 299 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: just it's like duh. But anyway, other than that, a 300 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: few other suggestions I had, maybe share Beyonce, Carol King, 301 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: maybe an episode on the Fujis because now apparently two 302 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: out of three members are have gone to jail. So anyway, 303 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: Rock and Roller five. 304 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: Owight, great call, great call. You know I have. I 305 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: think I have all of the Patti Smith books, like 306 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: the ones that have been released recently. That started with 307 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: I think jess Kids was the first one about her 308 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: relationship with Robert Maplethorpe, and and I purposefully and then 309 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: and so I bought that in that I don't know 310 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: if I bought her my sister got it for me, 311 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: but I got it early on and I purposefully did 312 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: not read it exuse I was like, I'm eventually going 313 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: to get into researching her, and I'll read it then. 314 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: And from that point that book came out and like 315 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen, something like that. 316 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: From that point on, everybody not everybody, but I've just 317 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: gotten as gifts the other Patty Smith books and I 318 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: haven't read any of them for the same reason. So 319 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: now's the time. Thank you for Resurfing, Resurfacing this and 320 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: five O eight. If you haven't seen the movie Maplethorpe, 321 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: or any of you guys haven't seen it, I highly 322 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: recommend it. It's great Patty Smith. There's a small part 323 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: for the Patti Smith character in there as well, which 324 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: is really good. The movie's fantastic. It's I really loved it. 325 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: I think it's it's better than most music biopics that 326 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: are released these days. It kind of has everything that 327 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: I love about biopics. It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't 328 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: shy away from the darkness in uh in any way. Really, 329 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: it's fantastic. All right, let's go to text from the 330 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: four oh two says please do an episode on Kim Deal. 331 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: I noticed we got an email on that same artist's 332 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: suggestion this week as well. I would love to dig 333 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: into some Pixies and Kim Deal research. I got to 334 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: figure out if there's if there's a crime anywhere near this. 335 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure there is. There might be. I'm not 336 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: saying there's not, but that'll be my first, my first peek, 337 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: and if there is, we'll find a way into telling 338 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: the story on Kim Deal. Seven two four texts and Hey, 339 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: this isn't really anything related to music, but hope you 340 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: and your kids were able to enjoy the winter storm. 341 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: The fiance and I made snow angels and keep the 342 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: spirit of youth alive. Get a little picture of a 343 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: backyard covered in snow. I'm not sure where the seven 344 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: two four is texting from, and got the nice little 345 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: snow angels there. Very cool out looking through the text 346 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: right here seven two four. This is I believe from 347 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: somewhere in the South, though I cannot nail down the 348 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: location from this text thread. Anyways, I appreciate it. You 349 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: guys got buried in snow. I feel for you. I 350 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: did not. I'm a bit further south these days, and 351 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: it is cold, though colder than it's ever been for 352 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: me down here, but I will be back up in 353 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: the Northeast in a couple of days. I'm gonna visit 354 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: my family, gonna see my newborn nephew, and I'm gonna 355 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: watch my New England Patriots in the Super Bowl with 356 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: the fam up in New England, as it should be done. 357 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: And I'm hoping for snow. One I'm up there more snow. 358 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: I know you don't want to hear it, but That's 359 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: what I'm hoping for. Five eight oh rights in hey 360 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: Byork might be a really interesting story, maybe too weird, 361 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: but definitely punk. Five eight oh we got a b 362 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: York episode in the archive and it's really good. Check 363 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: that out. You're not gonna be disappointed. Three six oh 364 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: text in Jackie Fox was on Jeopardy and she was amazing. 365 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Three six zho is texting in regards to Jackie Fox 366 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: from the Runaways episode we featured last week on Jeopardy. 367 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Something we share in common with ms Fox the whole 368 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: being on Jeopardy thing over on Instagram. Doctor Momo dot 369 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: nine seven four rights in relation to our Lady Gaga episode. 370 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: You watched Billy Corgan's interview too, Maybe he got inspired 371 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: by you in the first place as well. Not sure 372 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: about that. I didn't know what doctor Momo nine seven 373 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: four was talking about, but apparently Billy Corgan has been 374 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: going deep into the occult on his podcast and did 375 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: not interview Lady Gaga. That's what I was hoping for. 376 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: That'd be great Billy Corgan interviewing Lady Gaga. Let's make 377 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: that happen. We get this email from listener Knox Bronson 378 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: on the subject of the jone Jet cult. The Cult 379 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: of Jon Jet, Knox writes in Jake Knox Bronson Here. Hi. 380 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: Back in the mid nineties, I picked up a little 381 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: black and white freebie magazine eight and a half by eleven, 382 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: printed on newsprint, probably at Amba Records or Rasputants in Berkeley. 383 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: It was called The Node and it was run by 384 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: a couple of women. They seem to have a collective 385 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: in the Hayte Ashbury in San Francisco, and they did 386 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: Macintosh oriented computer services. I can't remember exactly what it's 387 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: been thirty years, but they did worship Jon Jet, absolutely 388 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: no question, very prominent in the magazine. I never saw 389 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: another copy of The Node. I of course found it 390 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: fascinating still do kind of, especially after your episode about it. 391 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: But I can assure you without any doubt that there 392 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: was some tiny cult who worshiped jone Jet and the 393 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: Hate in San Francisco in the nineteen nineties. And I 394 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember me, but I'm the one 395 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: who told you the story about John Spacey and who 396 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: really killed Nancy Sponge In anyway, I just wanted to 397 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: let you know it did exist, and I sure wish 398 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: I had that little magazine now yours. Knox Bronson of 399 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Oakland Knox. Thank you, my man. Knox is writing in 400 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: in reference to our mini episode on the cult that 401 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: worships Joan Jet as a God. We released that mini 402 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: episode last week in tandem with our new Runaways episode. 403 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: Mini episodes are of course available to All Access members. 404 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 405 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: Fascinating story, one of many fascinating stories that we come 406 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: upon in our research that doesn't really fit into the 407 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: story we're we're trying to tell in the full episodes, 408 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: So those, as most of you know, become mini episodes. Uh, 409 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: just these little anecdotes that are just fascinating for music history. 410 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: And they're short, they're sweet. They're about five minutes long, 411 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: five to ten something like that. They make for good, 412 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: good dinner party stories. Good uh, sitting around the grill 413 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: out back in your in your tony soprano apron as 414 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: you're as you're moving the sausages from from one side 415 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: of the grill to the other, and you know you 416 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: gotta kind of you gotta keep Polly Walnuts occupied and 417 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: you need a story to tell them. That's kind of 418 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: what these stories are. They're short, but they are really 419 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: kind of like holy shit, there's a cult that worshiped 420 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: Jon Jet as a god. Like that's I don't know, 421 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: I find that interesting. Maybe you will too, And if so, 422 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: that's what those mini episodes are. Therefore, actually that's what 423 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: all Disgrace Lands for. But the mini episodes, it just 424 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: gives you a man, This is more concentrated punch version 425 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean. Like you know 426 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna drink beers when you go out, but you 427 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: know you might do a shot as well. The mini 428 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: episodes are like the shot. The beers are like the 429 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: full episode. I don't know what the fun I'm talking about. 430 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: All right, I'll be back after this. All right, Guys, 431 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: you may have noticed, if you're an Apple podcast listener, 432 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: that Disgraceland is being featured this week on Apple Podcasts. 433 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to the fine folks over at Apple for them 434 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: that we really really appreciate it. If you go to 435 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: the Apple podcast homepage, you will see Lady Gaga in 436 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: Disgrace Sland're right up there, right up front. That means 437 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a lot of new listeners. If you're 438 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: a new listener, let me quickly tell you what's going 439 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: on right now. You're listening to a bonus episode. Okay. 440 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Bonus episodes are released once a week, every Thursday. They're 441 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: released after our new full episodes, which come out on Tuesdays, okay, 442 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: and then on at the end of the week Fridays, 443 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: we release essentially what our reruns. We call them rewinds. 444 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: There are archive episodes. If you're new to Disgraceland. We've 445 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: got over two hundred and sixty full scripted episodes on artists, musicians, 446 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: rock stars from every genre of music. We have so 447 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: many of them. We have new listeners coming in all 448 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: the time. We get a ton of emails asking us 449 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: to create episodes on artists and musicians the people love understandably. 450 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: But what happens is, as you may have heard earlier, 451 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: were these requests come in, Hey can you do an 452 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: episode on Buyork? And we're like, we have an episode 453 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: on Byorck. Can you do an episode on Kendrick Lamar? 454 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: We have an episode on Kendrick Lamar. So at the 455 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: end of the week on Fridays, right after this bonus episode, 456 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: that's where we release our reruns, our rewind episodes, So 457 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: you get at a minimum every week three episodes of 458 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Disgrace and two of which are totally new, our new 459 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: scripted episode, and then our bonus after party episode, which 460 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: is what you're listening to right now, and then you 461 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: get the rewind stuff as well, and oftentimes there are 462 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: two part episodes, so you get even more. It's kind 463 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: of a whole week of programming. Don't ask me how 464 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: we got here, but this is where we landed seven 465 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: years into doing this show, and I'm pretty damn happy 466 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: about it. It's a whole community surrounding this Disgrace Land podcast. 467 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: If you're an Apple podcast listener and you want to 468 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: unlock some listen center of perks like ad free listening 469 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: and bonus content, you can do that by subscribing to 470 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: our Apple Podcasts All Access membership through the Apple Podcast app. 471 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: So that's there for you. All Right, We appreciate you 472 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: being here. You've got any questions, hit me up at 473 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: Disgrace Slam Pod six one seventy nine oh six six 474 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: six three eight, voicemail and text. If you like the show, 475 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: leave a review. Reviews powered Discovery of the show. Okay, 476 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: what I do from time to time here, and I've 477 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: been doing it more frequently lately, is I'll select a 478 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: listener's review from Apple podcasts, one from Apple and one 479 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: from Spotify. And if I read that review here on 480 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: the show and you hear your name, get in touch 481 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: with me and I will send you some free Disgraceland merchandise. 482 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: Probably gonna be a shirt, but it might be a pin, 483 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: might be some stickers. Got a lot of stuff here. 484 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of this big studio reorganization that 485 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: has also sort of kicked off, this reorganization of my 486 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: storage space and my garage. So I've uncovered a bunch 487 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: of disgrace and merch that frankly, I didn't even know 488 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: I had. Posters, all kinds of shit. I got tope bags, 489 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: some cool stuff. So leave a review. We appreciate it 490 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: helps grow the show, like I said, And if I 491 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: read the review here in the podcast and you hear 492 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: your name, get in touch with me six one seven 493 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: nine six six six three eight voicemail and text, and 494 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: I will coordinate getting you some merchandise. Those who have 495 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: gotten in touch over the last few weeks, I send 496 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: out the merch at the end of the month, so 497 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: I'll be sending them out this Friday or maybe Monday, 498 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: so I might be a little late and getting it, 499 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: but you're gonna get your stuff shortly. Appreciate you, guys, 500 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: just as I appreciate this review from theo Rem seven 501 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: Action Booze, Drugs, Love, Movies, Music Icons. Each podcast is 502 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: meticulously researched and told in a fast paced, gripping cadence 503 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: by master storyteller Jake Brennan. If you like music, heroes, fame, 504 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: and the true stories of icons behaving badly, then you 505 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: have found sanctuary here in the halls of rock a 506 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: Rolla Valhalla. Tomorrow will come, but today is for Disgraceland. 507 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: We ride Jonathan from the six to one. Oh Jonathan, 508 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: get in touch. Appreciate you. I will get you some merch. 509 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: Mags Thurston writes on Spotify, the most plausible conspiracy theory 510 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: I've heard about Lady Gaga is that her persona was 511 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: preconceived and was granted to whatever singer was willing to 512 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: play ball with the label that created her. Mas Thurston, 513 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: get in touch, appreciate the insight. We get you some merch. 514 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I gotta just I guess switch gears 515 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: here for just a moment. I'm not going to gloat. 516 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to boast. I'm just gonna breathe a 517 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: sigh of relief. You know why, because the New England 518 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: Patriots are back. Baby, they are back. And yeah, set 519 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with music or true crime. But 520 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm just authentically unashamed sports fan, especially when it comes 521 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: to New England Patriots and the Boston Red Sox, and 522 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: I just it, just you know, those years, those past 523 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: few years of not being in the playoffs, Mac Jones 524 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: and Drod Mao and fucking all the if. Just as 525 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: a long suffering New England Patriots fan who has been 526 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 1: been ousted from the postseason for what five years? Four years? 527 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how you other fans of sports teams 528 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: do it. I literally don't. I don't. I'll I'll say 529 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: is I'm very excited and tip of the cap to 530 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: my friends in Seattle, Shay Simpson, what's up, brother. Happy 531 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: for you guys, but this is not going to end 532 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: well for you. I promise you that anyhow had to 533 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: say it, had to say it, okay, as promised. Zetheline 534 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: and I discussing Kanye West and David Bowie and the 535 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that surround the two their connection. What David 536 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Bowie predicted about Kanye West before he died. Pretty fascinating stuff. 537 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: We're getting into it in the all Access section of 538 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: this Afterparty coming up in a bit. And if you 539 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: want to hear that, like I said, go to Disgrace 540 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: mpod dot com. Sign up to become an all access member, 541 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: unlock this exclusive content and more and ad forre you listening. 542 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: Not going to give you the whole spiel again, but 543 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: you can get in on this for as little as 544 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: a buck. Five bucks gets you all, gets you most 545 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: of what we got going on in ten bucks gets 546 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: you everything, plus the video podcast. This film should be 547 00:33:43,960 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: played loud. All right, guys, we are back. We mentioned 548 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: Byork and David Bowie on this episode. We got archive 549 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: episodes on both of these subjects. Matt, as always, will 550 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: have episode notes so you can clearly find them in 551 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: the show notes section of this after Party. All right, 552 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: let's recap, shall we? Number one? This week? Our Lady 553 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: Gaga episodes parts one and two are both available for 554 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: you to check out right now. Coming up right after 555 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: this after Party, We've got a rewind episode on Kendrick 556 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: Lamar next week, Part two of Our Jane's Addiction story 557 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 1: our new episode on Jane's addiction will hit I didn't 558 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 1: mention Hollywood Land. That's number four. Here Zeth Lunda gives 559 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: you all the Hollywood and true crime vibes in hollywood 560 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: Land three times a week. Head over to Hollywood Land 561 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: and subscribe Number five. This film should be played loud. 562 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: Our video podcast with our new episode on train Spotting 563 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: that's available for you to check out right now over 564 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: on Patreon, So get on over there and hear a 565 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: pretty damn good conversation on the incredible music in what 566 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: is most definitely an incredible movie, A movie that treats 567 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: music in a very unique way and did a lot 568 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: for classic rock, britpop, dance music really impacted culture. Trainspotting 569 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: as fantastic as a film, but it's also the soundtrack 570 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: cannot be beat. So this film should be played loud, 571 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: available for you to watch on Patreon right now. Get 572 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: over there and sign up. Can also sign up at 573 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: disgrace slampod dot com six one seven nine oh six 574 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: six sixty three eight. Your voice keeps us sticking into 575 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep 576 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: texting with the answers to this week's question. Of the 577 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: week or with whatever else you want to talk about. 578 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Number seven. Don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's 579 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares 580 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: about music, books, records, and the crime and crime tie 581 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: them all together like you do, and well that's a disgrace, 582 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: all right. Back on October fourth, two thousand and eight, 583 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: Lady Guy Guy's bestie, Lina Morgana took a dive off 584 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: of the roof of the Staten Island Hotel and unknowingly 585 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: kicked off one hell of a conspiracy theory at the 586 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: same time. This is what America was listening to on 587 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: that day, according to the Billboard Charts, Number one Live 588 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: Your Life t I featuring Rihanna last week eighty peak 589 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: position one weeks on chart two. Number two Whatever you 590 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: Like TI last week weeks one, peak position one weeks 591 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: on chart Number three, Pink Peak last week position peak 592 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: position one weeks on chart number four, Disturbing Your Last 593 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: peak position peak positions one weeks on chart six. Number 594 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: four Let It Rock Kevin Rudolph featuring a Little Wayne. 595 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 2: Last While 596 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: SI quit talking and start mixing