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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her Radio. It is another episode of the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Ashley are so pumped to be here for

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Speaker 1: multiple reasons. One, I do have a personal antidote to

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Speaker 1: share with you all. It is the week that we

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Speaker 1: celebrate Ashley I Canetti's birth into this world. Happy Birthday,

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Speaker 1: Ashley I Canettie. Happy Birthday week. I guess, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Thirty three is like mid thirties now, so

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a big job. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like thirty three is a big I think it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, thirty two, early thirties, thirty three? Are you

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Speaker 1: early thirties? Are you been thirties? Yeah? And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I just did a cameo last night where somebody sent

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Speaker 1: me a message for their wife and it was her

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Speaker 1: thirty third birthday. I'm turning thirty two in just a

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Speaker 1: few weeks um and it started with this, please tell

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Speaker 1: her she makes thirty three look. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh God, that was like I was like, come on,

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Speaker 1: come on. I remember. I remember I read this study

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Speaker 1: that women apparently hit their peak attractiveness at the age

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Speaker 1: of thirty one. So for like all my twenties. I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's okay because apparently I peek

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Speaker 1: at thirty one and now I'm two years over that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're in this season of life. It's super No, it's

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Speaker 1: super special. Like, you know, you're not a kid. You

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Speaker 1: can't use that excuse. I really can't. You're an adult.

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Speaker 1: You are a huge piece of society. You're you're forming

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Speaker 1: this world, like this is a cool season for you.

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Speaker 1: But you have now I think at like thirty three,

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Speaker 1: even thirty, you've got to give up all like excuses

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Speaker 1: And that's okay, that's not a bad thing. It's just

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Speaker 1: a weird feeling. I was cleaning out my closet because

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Speaker 1: we're moving, so I'm trying to get rid of a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff I won't wear again. And I

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Speaker 1: do this through face time with my sister because I'm

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Speaker 1: such a pack rat. I'll find a sentimental value to everything,

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Speaker 1: and I have to have her say like nope, bye bye.

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Speaker 1: And something that we really concluded that I actually felt

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Speaker 1: in my bones was like, Lauren, I'm going to obviously

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Speaker 1: continue to wear crop tops. That's like my style. But

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Speaker 1: I can't really wear bra lets anymore. Like I can't

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Speaker 1: go out of the house where it's basically like not

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Speaker 1: a crop top where it ends kind of like right

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Speaker 1: above your belly button. Like I can't wear anything that

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Speaker 1: that's a that's significantly above my belly button. Does that

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Speaker 1: make sense? Can be showing my whole stomach anymore? You do?

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Speaker 1: You girl? I don't know what you want to show

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Speaker 1: that stomach off that stomach. Could I could, but then

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Speaker 1: it's just like I'm not I'm not I'm not a child.

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Speaker 1: These are decisions now that you have to think through.

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Speaker 1: And uh well, Ashley, in all seriousness, happy birthday. You're

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Speaker 1: somebody I love to celebrate. How did real quick? How

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Speaker 1: did you celebrate it? Um? Well? On Friday, I went

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Speaker 1: to dinner with Naz If you guys listened to the

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Speaker 1: I Don't Get a podcast, she's my co host there

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Speaker 1: and she is my best friend who I met as

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Speaker 1: who was my producer on the Bachelor. And then we

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Speaker 1: went down to Jade and Tanners for Saturday. We slept

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Speaker 1: over there. It was the last time we get to

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Speaker 1: we get to hang out with them as both California

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Speaker 1: dinner with Nick and Natalie, his girlfriend. So it was

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Speaker 1: a nice set of friend dinners. That's really special, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's cool. Uh. And and this is just interesting, is

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Speaker 1: you have great I've met your friends from The Bachelor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they're like real friends of yours who love you

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Speaker 1: you have great friends outside of the show. I've met

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Speaker 1: them at your wedding and every place in life. But like,

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Speaker 1: these are real friendships for you. I just did the

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Speaker 1: I Don't Get a podcast a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and that is I'm not kidding, I'm it was one

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Speaker 1: of the most fun on uh podcast I've ever done

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Speaker 1: And I know that's what that podcast is. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: happy birthday. I hope you feel loved. I hope you

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Speaker 1: feel celebrated. I do I very much too. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump in now to the Fantasy Suite

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Speaker 1: episode this week. Instead of running down the episode scene

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Speaker 1: want to start with one standout moment and then we'll

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Speaker 1: go into yours and I'll just respond. But the first

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Speaker 1: so let's break that down first, if you don't mind,

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Speaker 1: the days. Well that's of course a number can stand

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Speaker 1: I love seeing the development of it because his dad

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Speaker 1: mean it shows you know, Matt has always been a

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Speaker 1: women caring for him. And obviously I've always been a

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Speaker 1: So first Matt's talking about how like, Dad, I didn't

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Speaker 1: was five. You don't know I body's story. Like there's

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Speaker 1: don't I don't want this to be the end of this.

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Speaker 1: and bonding with him every day. Who are your closest

429
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: friends from the season, Piper, Abigail, and Bree. Okay, so,

430
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: Abigail has been on our list as like somebody we

431
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: really would love to see as the bachelorette, but rumors

432
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: are swirling that it's Katie. And during the Women Tell

433
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: All You, this is actually an email from a listener

434
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: a Women Tell All You were accusing Katie of stirring

435
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: things up. Uh, Katie said it was like when when

436
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: Katie said all this, we were like, oh, Chelsea, like

437
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 1: it was Eatie a reason for drama or was she

438
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: helping prevent drama? You seem to have some opinions on that, so,

439
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: so tell us about how you think Katie would do

440
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: as bachelorrette. I mean, I don't think she I think

441
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: she would do well as bachelor, and I think anybody

442
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: from my cast would. Um. I do think that she

443
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: stirred up drama. I said that on the show, and

444
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: I stand by it. Um. I just felt like sometimes

445
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: it was unnecessary for her to insert her place herself

446
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: into places that I didn't necessarily think we're needed at

447
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: the time. UM, I definitely don't stand for bullying by

448
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: any means. I wasn't a part of any bullying. I

449
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: truly appreciate someone if they're going to go out of

450
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: their way to stand up for somebody, if they think, okay,

451
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: this might ruin somebody's life. UM, and I think that's

452
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: what Katie thought she was doing at the time. UM.

453
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean her and I just have different

454
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: opinion and some things, and that's cool. Um, I just

455
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily have done or said some of the things

456
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: that she did. Chelsey, why where, what where was your

457
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: decision making? I'm gonna say a headspace again, there's got

458
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: to be a better word for that. But when all

459
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: this was going on around you and you chose to

460
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: stay out of it, Like, why why were you choosing

461
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: to stay out of it. I was focused on myself

462
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: and my relationship with Matt. I was really only concerned

463
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: about how I was going to get more time to

464
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: talk to him, how I could get to know him better,

465
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: and when I did get time, how I could maximize

466
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: that time. So I wasn't really concerned with other people

467
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: in general. That's just not really my style. I'm I

468
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: kind of stay out of things. I keep to myself.

469
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: I chill like you do you all do me Like?

470
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: I was just not worried about the drama. Um yeah,

471
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: I mean I just I didn't want any part of it.

472
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: I was just it's hard enough being in the house

473
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: like isolated and like in this bubble, don't know anyone

474
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: and you don't have your friends or your phone or anything.

475
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: So I was like trying to focus on my mental

476
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: health and just getting to know Matt. So it wasn't

477
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: my priority. So you played a role at Women Tell All,

478
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: But one of our headlines this week is that Heather

479
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: was there and played zero role. In fact, you basically

480
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: just like edited edited out of the background. Did she

481
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: have any significance there? Is there anything that we were

482
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: really missing from, Like, was that like something something discussed

483
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: how there's time there and how a lot of girls

484
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: had an issue with her showing up so late. I

485
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm allowed to confirm or deny her

486
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: being there, but I mean you've seen in the picture there.

487
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: You see you see a glimpse of her on screen.

488
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: That's where we got the picture from, you know, the air.

489
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: That is true. Um, it wasn't anything new. It was

490
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: kind of just like everyone. It just wasn't anything added

491
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't see on the rosere Money that day. Okay, um, yeah,

492
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: but there's a cool girl. I mean we we all

493
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: talked and hung out with her afterwards, and like she's chilling,

494
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: cool girl. She was there for a couple of minutes

495
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: of the season and walked in kind of walked out. Now.

496
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: So it's just like everything in life, we seem to

497
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: move on quickly in this franchise, So we gotta ask

498
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: you about your next steps. Is there any chance at

499
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: all possible that you will be on Bachelor in Paradise.

500
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's always a chance. Would you be interested

501
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: in it? I don't know. I just have such mixed

502
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: feelings about the franchise at the moment, with everything happening

503
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: in Bachelor Nation, Like especially during my season, it's just

504
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: been so many things back to back to back and

505
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: it's a little bit exhausting right now. Um, I mean

506
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: I would consider it. I just I want to see

507
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: some sort of changes, Like I want there to be

508
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: positive change in the franchise to people of color before

509
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: I could commit to going on another season. What does

510
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: that look like for you? I mean, I don't think

511
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: real change is going to happen quickly. So that's why

512
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm like hesitant about Paradise because I don't know what

513
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: changes could happen in that quick turnaround of a time. Um,

514
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think every department from top

515
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: to bottom needs to have diversity and people of color

516
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: in the room that are making decisions. It is, it's

517
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: it's crazy how fast right because I mean actually you'll know,

518
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: but they'll start like filming for Paradise in what June July,

519
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: and I believe they already left a film Bachelorette. Yeah,

520
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: so like it all moves very fast. And as you said, Chelsea,

521
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: like I mean nobody's nobody's naive to this, Like there's

522
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: huge changes that need to be made that should be

523
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: made conversations that should be started, and so it has

524
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: to happen fast. Yet it's interesting to hear as the

525
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: cast does get announced for Paradise, like people like you

526
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: who are wise and saying, hey, change doesn't happen quickly,

527
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: but yet I want to see change before I can

528
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: enter back into it. And so it is gonna be

529
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: interesting to see how that's handled. Um, and you're kind

530
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: of saying, you know, you want to see top down

531
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: changes where people need to be in the room making decisions,

532
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: people of color need to be represented, and that's a

533
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: hope that maybe then you would say, hey, I can

534
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: enter back into this world. Yeah, maybe I will tell

535
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: you this though, there is one guy from clear Tatious

536
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: Seas that I have my eye on. I'm not gonna

537
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: says already dm in because it sounds like, you know,

538
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: like you've already picked and you may be going after it.

539
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: Just the excitement I heard in your voice. Um, that's

540
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say. Can you give us no no

541
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no, I don't I

542
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: don't uh up to us like slightly dig at it

543
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: was still um. She offered that up and then she

544
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: knew where she was going to leave it. She was

545
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: going to leave it right there. She was going to

546
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: take control here and say, there's a guy. And I'm

547
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: not telling you, um, okay, but what we can assume

548
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: is there might be somebody that you have your eye

549
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: on that you'd be excited to me. Uh. We don't

550
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: have to dig in if you've met him yet or not,

551
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: but it'd be you would be excited to meet him

552
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: at some point on a in life at some level. Yes,

553
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: we'll be watching. I'll be watching, very very exciting. You

554
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: were one of the girls. You were open with me

555
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: that part took in the writing of the joint statement

556
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: that the women of Matt Season put out a couple

557
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Can you talk about how that formed

558
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: and how you guys got together to write it. Yeah.

559
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: So there's six women that wanted to just anonymous that

560
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: wrote it, but I was definitely obviously one of the

561
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: people that posted it. Um. So the six women are

562
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: women of color that decided to come up with and

563
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: write the statement, and then they thought about it and realized,

564
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, it would definitely be more powerful if our

565
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: entire cast um posted it and stood together, especially with

566
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: everything that happened this season with the druma and the

567
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: mean girls and like all this stuff. Um, we definitely

568
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: thought it'd be powerful if we all put all that

569
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: aside and said, you know, this is more important than

570
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: anything that happened on the show. UM, So yeah it was.

571
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: It was super powerful. It was great to use our

572
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: voices and then the guys from last season also made

573
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: their own statements stood behind us and like I spoke

574
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: to Rachel Lindsay about it and she was really moved

575
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: by it. So it was just a beautiful moment. It

576
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: is and you know what you uh and along with others,

577
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: UH really are going to be difference makers in this

578
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: franchise and lies moving forward and kind of as this,

579
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, as your time on the show ends and

580
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: you move into the world. Chelsea, I like to ask

581
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: every contestant this and if you could expand on a

582
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: little bit the y to it, Um, either way, are

583
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: you glad you did it? Are you glad you want

584
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor? Yes? I absolutely have no regrets. Um,

585
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I would have been like what if if I hadn't

586
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: gone on the show. Um, I met some amazing people

587
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just all about experiences in life. So like,

588
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I love to have the experience and I learned a

589
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: lot from it, and I think it's kind of been

590
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: life changing or will continue to be. UM, So I'm

591
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: definitely glad I went switching gears a little bit back

592
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: to Paradise. There are two female, two groups of females

593
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: competing for spots in Paradise, So it looks like Tasia

594
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: slash Clayre season will be the only group of males

595
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: this predominantly picked from for Paradise, right, But you girls,

596
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: because of you know, they're not being a Paradise over

597
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: the summer. Means that Matt's girls and Peter's girls are

598
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: going to have to compete for spots in Paradise. Do

599
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: you have girls who are like really being honest about

600
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: the stress of getting a slot there? I mean, I

601
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's super stressed about it they secretly are.

602
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Mary um, But I've talked to a couple of girls

603
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: from Peter season, Like they reached out to me and

604
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: like I asked them for advice and stuff before I

605
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: went or when I came back from the show, and

606
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: they're really sweet. So no clause have come out if

607
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: that's what you're asking Okay, No, that wasn't when I

608
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: was asking. I wasn't wondering if people were cognitively thinking

609
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: about that competition. It would be really cool, though. I like,

610
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: publicly people are just arguing with each other. I want

611
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: to go awome, That's what I'm That would be a

612
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: good headline for the podcast. My last question for you,

613
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: Chelsea is you were very honest and vulnerable about your hair.

614
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Can you talk about how many women reached out to

615
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: you and kind of said thank you for talking about

616
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: this on National TV? Afterwards? Um, an overwhelming amount of

617
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: women reached out to me, and that might honestly being

618
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: my favorite part of everything that's happened and going on

619
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: this show. Um, so many women, not even just black women,

620
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: but all kinds of women reached out to say that

621
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: they felt seen and heard and they couldn't believe that

622
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: this conversation was happening on National TV and they saw

623
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: themselves in me, and it's just it's just so touching. UM,

624
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just nice to hear people and

625
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, your inspiration to me, Like

626
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: people send me pictures of their classroom and be like

627
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: the girls in my class and showed them the clips

628
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: like they felt so inspired by you, and I'm just

629
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm just flattered. Well, Chelsea, you belong in this moment.

630
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: We were so excited to follow your journey. You are

631
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: an inspiration, there's no question about that. Um. Best of

632
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: luck as your life moves forward. If this show we're not,

633
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: we're excited to fall along with you. Please don't be

634
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a stranger to us. Uh, we like you a lot

635
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: and we'd like to have you guys time. Thanks guys,

636
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: so nice to meet you. Thank you by Chelsea von

637
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: everybody that was She's just she's a special human UM

638
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: who's standing in a really special place right now with

639
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: the franchise, and uh yeah she is, and she's she's

640
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: somebody that we're going to cheer along. I would love

641
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: to see her in Paratise. I hope we can see

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00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: more of Chelsea. I felt like her time was short

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Speaker 1: her not having a one on one day. I agree. Yeah, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: actualistic or break here. When we come back, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we have some big headlines and none are smaller than

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Speaker 1: this one. Everyone thinks Matt James and Heather Martin are

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Speaker 1: dating Ashley? Why? Alright, alright, everyone is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a of a stretch. Um, so are the reasoning

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Speaker 1: In fact, it looked like she was actually like purposefully

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Speaker 1: edited out of the rows of girls. Right, So some

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Speaker 1: people are putting things together thinking that the reasons she

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Speaker 1: was cut out was because she and Matt are secretly

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Speaker 1: dating now And this is all because they both tagged

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Speaker 1: that they were in San Clemente, California on the same day. Um.

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Speaker 1: And he recently shouted out on his Instagram robe season

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Speaker 1: a robe. And the fact that Heather also recently spotted

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Speaker 1: is literally robe season. Oh and then and and Heather

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Speaker 1: wears robes and the two of them tagged the same location,

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Speaker 1: I guess, within a similar with within a short time frame. Ashley,

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Speaker 1: here's my only counter argument to this. And I have

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Speaker 1: no clue but's sure or not. But I remember when

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Speaker 1: there's a TikTok video that went viral talking about how

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Speaker 1: Peter Webber and Kelly were dating. And we watched it

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Speaker 1: and we broke it down the podcast and we said,

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Speaker 1: there's no way, this is such a stretch, this is crazy,

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Speaker 1: it's not happening. Well we were proven wrong because they

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Speaker 1: came out dating. So these sleuthers, these investigators and Bachelation

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Speaker 1: sometimes they're onto something. I'm not going to throw this

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Speaker 1: rumor out. I would just be shocked once again. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I would be shocked too. But to draw another parallel

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Speaker 1: between Peter and Kelly and Heather and Matt. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember how Kelly didn't go to the Women Tell All

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Speaker 1: and that was such a red flag to people. Well,

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Speaker 1: Heather was added out of the Women Tell All. So

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Speaker 1: there you go. There's a big, big things happening in

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation. Well, uh you know this list. Last week

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and I believe it's his first TV appearance

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Speaker 1: since his time on Extra with Rachel Lindsay. He came

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Speaker 1: on Good Morning America to speak with Michael Strahand and

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Speaker 1: the headline read, uh this according to a Good Morning America.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison speaks out after stepping away from the Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: His quote is I stand against all forms of racism.

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Speaker 1: M He says, I'm an imperfect man. I made a mistake,

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Speaker 1: and I own that. I believe that mistake doesn't reflect

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Speaker 1: who I am or what I stand for. I'm committed

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Speaker 1: to progress, not just for myself, but also for the franchise.

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Speaker 1: And this is a franchise has been part of my

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Speaker 1: life for the better part of twenty years, and I

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm saddened and shocked at how insensitive I

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Speaker 1: was in that interview with Rachel Lindsay. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: I didn't speak against antebellum parties what they stand for.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say it then and I want to say

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Speaker 1: it now. Those parties are not okay, past, present and future.

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Speaker 1: I didn't speak from my heart, and that is to

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Speaker 1: say that I stand against all forms of racism. I'm

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Speaker 1: deeply sorry to Rachel Lindsay and to the Black community,

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Speaker 1: to anyone who is throwing hate towards Rachel Lindsay. It's unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: He says. I saw out leading scholars, teachers, faith leaders,

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Speaker 1: educator and strategists. I thank them all, he says. But

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Speaker 1: and that is full accountability, understanding what you didn't understand,

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Speaker 1: and moving forward well. Rachel Lindsay uh is quoted in

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Speaker 1: People this week, and the headline reads this, Rachel Lindsay

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Speaker 1: says she accepts Bachelor host Chris Harrison's apology. We need

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Speaker 1: to move forward. Rachel says she sat down with Billy

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Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to make this a Chris versus

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Speaker 1: Rachel thing, but but the fact that once again, you know,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the first time he's apologized to me. He

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Speaker 1: apologized again on Good Morning America. And I do accept that,

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Speaker 1: us to move forward, I need to accept the apology

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Speaker 1: so we can all be better from the situation, which

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Speaker 1: is what we want uh. Well, after if anybody doesn't

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Speaker 1: know this, Rachel Lindsay received some uh maybe let's say

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Speaker 1: to get herself healthy and to kind of separate from

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Speaker 1: just the consistent negativity that was unwarranted. Well, according to people,

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Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay returns to Instagram with empowering message about spreading

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Speaker 1: good vibes only. M hmm, so her caption was just

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Speaker 1: good vibes only under some sunflowers. She says, I want

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Speaker 1: darkest days, I will stand tall and find sunlight. Well,

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Speaker 1: we uh were, you know, completely supporting the continued progress

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Speaker 1: here that the Bachelor, uh in, Bachelorette and really all

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Speaker 1: of bachel Nation has as they continue to seek council

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Speaker 1: to learn and to grow. Uh. But in the midst

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Speaker 1: of all of this, there's some other headlines that have

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Speaker 1: kind of uh came up through the surface, and this

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Speaker 1: one reads Bachelor's Taylor Nolan maybe investigated by Department of

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Speaker 1: Health over offensive tweets. This according to US Weekly, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: This It says this week, we've um. This is from

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Speaker 1: the Department of Health in Washington State, says this week,

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Speaker 1: we've received multiple complaints against Nolan and connection with the

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Speaker 1: issues that you mentioned. This is the spokesperson Um. They said,

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Speaker 1: Each complaint individually. Um. They take each complaint individually and

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Speaker 1: evaluate it on its merits. He said, this is in

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Speaker 1: its early stages and we can't predict what the result

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Speaker 1: will be. Switching gears just a bit. Bachelorette's Garrett uh

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Speaker 1: split six months later, This according to US Weekly as

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Speaker 1: they are the main base of my platform. I understand

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Speaker 1: everyone wanting to know exactly what happened because you feel

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Speaker 1: so invested into our lives and relationships. I truly don't

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Speaker 1: want to be known for the show. It's not what

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Speaker 1: defines me or my character. He said that it was

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Speaker 1: a miracle that he even got selected for the dating

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Speaker 1: show and that he um and that he wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: doing these question responses if it weren't for that he's

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Speaker 1: talking about like on Instagram, but pretty much doesn't really say.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't really answer the question, you know. He's basically like,

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Speaker 1: I know, I get these questions. I understand why you

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Speaker 1: guys send me these questions, but just like not going

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Speaker 1: to give like a straight answer as to what happened.

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Speaker 1: What happened. But he is dating someone else now. Her

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Speaker 1: name is Alex. He says, I've met an incredible person

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Speaker 1: who supports me my goals and makes me very happy. Um.

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Speaker 1: He said that it was a rough few months getting

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Speaker 1: what if, talked it out practicality, It's completely It was

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Speaker 1: Hannah Brown discusses loving relationship with boyfriend Adam Lullard and

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Speaker 1: Q and a quote is he's more romantic this according

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Speaker 1: to people. Okay, Yeah, these q and as on Instagram

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Speaker 1: are giving us a lot of dirts. People are telling

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Speaker 1: Hannah revealed on it that she liked Adam, her boyfriend's photo,

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Speaker 1: him is so great. He's just awesome. She said, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling y'all, he's the nicest person I've ever met. What

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Speaker 1: a headline list it is. We have some loveliest some

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Speaker 1: Q and a's uh Ashley. That's all we've got today

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Speaker 1: for the Almost Famous podcast. It was a great episode

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Speaker 1: of The Bachelor. I would give it. We gotta rank it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a uh an eight point seven.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stick with a night yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give matt An a again. I'm excited for next week.

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Speaker 1: This was a compelling episode that I was tuned into

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Speaker 1: the whole time. Uh agree for far more invested this

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Speaker 1: week than I have been for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And it was nice. Definitely. Well, hey, we want to

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Speaker 1: thank Chelsea for coming on the podcast today. Uh, we

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Speaker 1: really appreciate her given up the time. Will continue to

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Speaker 1: stay in touch with everything going on in the Bachelor, Bachelorette,

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Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, all these little spinoff shows that are happening.

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Speaker 1: But before we do, one last time, Happy Birthday Week,

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Speaker 1: Ashley I ken Eddie. We are celebrating you. We will

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