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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. It's episode seventy seven of Native
Speaker 1: lamp Pot where we give it to you straight notes.
Speaker 1: Chase there, I am your host, Tiffany Cross. Here was
Speaker 1: my co host, Angela Rii and Andrew Gillham. We'll come
Speaker 1: in here with Angela Rai, right, Andrew. Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 3: Am I allowed to talk now?
Speaker 4: Can I speak?
Speaker 1: And Angela has not joined us yet, but she's going
Speaker 1: to join us in the show. As you all know,
Speaker 1: she's on the road for State of the People tour
Speaker 1: this week, and I know a lot of you all
Speaker 1: have been shouting out Angela and looking for her. So
Speaker 1: she is going to join us momentarily on this week's show.
Speaker 1: But it's me and Andrew getting it started for now.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Andrew getting it going?
Speaker 3: I'm good? Since I'm good.
Speaker 2: The reason why I say can I talk now? Is,
Speaker 2: y'all you probably already know this if.
Speaker 3: You're a listener.
Speaker 2: I'm always trampling over by colleagues when they're in the
Speaker 2: middle of a thought if you take a second, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: did you know?
Speaker 1: But you know, they don't experience that, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you. But the comments are all over the place
Speaker 1: because sometimes the comments are like, oh my god, can
Speaker 1: Andrew get a word in? And then other comments are
Speaker 1: like Andrew, stop interrupting. So I feel like it's easier
Speaker 1: when we're all together in person, you know, recording remotely,
Speaker 1: you're always like, oh, you know.
Speaker 2: So, thanks for you're you're stumbling and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I do it more more than
Speaker 2: I should, and certainly more than I mean to.
Speaker 3: I don't want to interrupt.
Speaker 2: I value the words of my colleagues, which is why
Speaker 2: we do this together.
Speaker 1: So I'm so into what you have to say, so
Speaker 1: and don't listen to Andrew because he knows that. And
Speaker 1: when we're together we are like this. And I have
Speaker 1: like personal things to talk to Andrew about, professional things,
Speaker 1: political things.
Speaker 3: We can talk for paywall.
Speaker 2: I will put up some of the videos I've been
Speaker 2: in charge before, behind the scenes, and I love to
Speaker 2: just unveil some of that behind the scenes tiff that everybody's.
Speaker 1: I want to know what we're talking about today.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking we delve a little into your
Speaker 2: dating life and just update the.
Speaker 3: People on.
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't even have enough one.
Speaker 3: Maybe babe babee, I have to pick that one up.
Speaker 1: But we're not. We're not substitute of Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 3: I understand, I understand.
Speaker 1: Understand the innocent.
Speaker 3: Believe me, I understand me, I understand.
Speaker 6: Break if you.
Speaker 3: Want do you want to? I mean, we could go there,
Speaker 3: but maybe not for the break of the heart.
Speaker 2: Yes, there might be the break of the wallet, which
Speaker 2: is this fifty thousand current government civil servant positions that
Speaker 2: exist around the country in service to the American people
Speaker 2: in the administration, this administration, if you recall we talked
Speaker 2: about Project twenty twenty five and the whole loyalty to
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Well, we're a step closer to getting it
Speaker 2: after the executive order that Donald Trump signed this month
Speaker 2: in April, frankly giving him the power to transition fifty
Speaker 2: thousand civil servant positions into political positions that would be
Speaker 2: appointed by the president and will work in service to
Speaker 2: that individual, which is a huge departure.
Speaker 3: So I want to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to hear from Angela what she wants
Speaker 1: to talk about and right on time, Angela is joining us. So, Angela,
Speaker 1: what you got?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 8: I want to talk about potential empty shelves as early
Speaker 8: as May as a result of these tariffs, and if
Speaker 8: there's time, I definitely want to talk about the strategy
Speaker 8: on doing sit ins at the Capitol that are also
Speaker 8: teachings and whether or not that's the most effective way
Speaker 8: to reach and motialize our folks right now, So we'll
Speaker 8: see what we have time for.
Speaker 2: Can you tell folks you've settled and you are about
Speaker 2: to do beyond the the people tour? We know that,
Speaker 2: and hopefully we can get an update on how things
Speaker 2: went earlier this weekend and then as we progress forward
Speaker 2: where people can pick up the tour.
Speaker 1: All right, so I answer, what's your topic? Thank you?
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that. A lot of what
Speaker 1: we're witnessing happening here in America is casting a very
Speaker 1: dark chattel across the globe. I got a chance to
Speaker 1: speak with French journalist Rikaya Diallo about what she's witnessing
Speaker 1: and really how the rest of the globe is looking
Speaker 1: at America right now. So, and Andrew, you were really
Speaker 1: so well versed and well spoken on foreign policy. So
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thought.
Speaker 2: I actually want to I want to get into yours.
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw the election of a new Canadian
Speaker 2: prime minister, Yes, an election that turned on its head,
Speaker 2: frankly on the words of Donald Trump. This was a party,
Speaker 2: the more liberal party of the Canadian government, trust Justin Trudeau,
Speaker 2: the previous who is that is?
Speaker 1: So do y'all see why we yell at Andrew?
Speaker 3: Do you see what is going on?
Speaker 2: Somebody has somebody has gotten into my computer and my phones.
Speaker 1: But let's get into Yeah, the global stuff is interesting,
Speaker 1: but I do think we should start domestically. So, and
Speaker 1: I have questions for you about the topic that you
Speaker 1: wanted to get into. So, but we'd also have a
Speaker 1: viewer question. So do you want to get into your
Speaker 1: topic or do you want to hear from the viewer first?
Speaker 2: I would you know you have prioritized hearing from viewers,
Speaker 2: and I love to hear from viewers. And I think
Speaker 2: during a mini pod we did a little while back,
Speaker 2: or maybe it was in the main episode, we had
Speaker 2: solicited feedback around whether or not we should platform sort
Speaker 2: of conservative guest conservative.
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, I would love to.
Speaker 2: Hear again some of the continuing rolling feedback we've been
Speaker 2: getting from people on that.
Speaker 1: Let's do that, all right, producer.
Speaker 9: Nick journalists broadcast journalists lived in LA And the reason
Speaker 9: why you guys needed you interviews is.
Speaker 7: The episode you just had about the breakdown of the
Speaker 7: exit polls and why some black.
Speaker 6: Folks voted for Trump.
Speaker 7: It's exactly why you need to interview.
Speaker 9: It's amazing, the amazing conversation. Okay, you need to hear more.
Speaker 7: It's cool to hear you guys talk manner, go back
Speaker 7: and forth, but you need other voices on your show
Speaker 7: that can challenge you guys and also bring the different
Speaker 7: perspective and expertise. So that's my two cents. Keep it up,
Speaker 7: by bye.
Speaker 10: As far as the opposition of voices go, I mean,
Speaker 10: I get, you know, it's always good to hear like
Speaker 10: a well rounded amount of people speaking. But I think
Speaker 10: the criteria should be, like, you know, if you maybe
Speaker 10: like if you're not a reparationist, you know, reparations in
Speaker 10: some form, like if you don't believe that black folks
Speaker 10: are owed anything for being the financial backbone of this
Speaker 10: country before the Industrial Revolution. I think that should be
Speaker 10: the criteria and not let people on but I digress.
Speaker 10: Hope to see y'all soon and happy to be welcomed home.
Speaker 3: I like that, brother, welcome home.
Speaker 1: Indeed, you know, these are two comments that obviously over
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks that we hadn't gotten a chance to.
Speaker 1: So first of all, thank you guys for taking the
Speaker 1: time to record your thoughts, your comments, your questions, and
Speaker 1: I want to encourage all of our listeners and viewers
Speaker 1: out there to do the same. We say welcome home
Speaker 1: with intention because this is our platform as much as
Speaker 1: it's your platform, and we want this to be an
Speaker 1: open discourse and open dialogue, the discussion that we have
Speaker 1: with community to understand our fellow countrymen, and for our
Speaker 1: fellow countrymen to weigh in as well. So this show
Speaker 1: may center three black voices, it is not exclusively four
Speaker 1: black voices. That is for everyone to listen and comment
Speaker 1: and weigh in, and all power to all the people
Speaker 1: all the time. So having said that, Andrew, I want
Speaker 1: to start with this idea with the first guy who
Speaker 1: said he was a journalist. I'm curious he says he's
Speaker 1: a broadcast journalist, so you know that's a man after
Speaker 1: my own heart. I'm curious what uh, what outlet he's
Speaker 1: with and what he does. But this is because I
Speaker 1: tend to look at everything through the journalist lens, and
Speaker 1: it's not just what I do professionally, it really is
Speaker 1: who I am. Like you, people can say you're a politician,
Speaker 1: that's not just what you do. It's who you are
Speaker 1: in terms of having a an endless appetite for understanding
Speaker 1: how this world and society functions, but also wanting to
Speaker 1: live in service to people. It is very much who
Speaker 1: you are. It's what you do professionally, but it's who
Speaker 1: you are. I feel the same way about journalism. And
Speaker 1: so the frightening thing when he says, oh, to understand
Speaker 1: why these you know, black people voted Trump? I think
Speaker 1: if there's a difference between having curiosity about something and
Speaker 1: intellectual curiosity, So yes, I too was curious about why
Speaker 1: was there small sects of black men who seem to
Speaker 1: have peeled off and voted for Trump. They were not
Speaker 1: a large enough demographic to really represent community, but certainly
Speaker 1: they are my community, and I care about them enough
Speaker 1: to care. When you have intellectual curiosity, how you might
Speaker 1: satisfy that is. I'm a reader, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: read on everything starting from one hundred years ago. When
Speaker 1: did these two parties start to shift? When did the
Speaker 1: Democrat and Republican Party start to enterchage? Because you hear
Speaker 1: people all the time it was Republicans who freed the slaves,
Speaker 1: that ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Question that people like.
Speaker 5: To know, right yeah, and then a moment exactly.
Speaker 1: Precisely, then I want to read about the new deal.
Speaker 1: I want to take myself through the decades and see well,
Speaker 1: and then I hear them saying economic policy, So let
Speaker 1: me look at their economic policy. What is the MAGA
Speaker 1: group offering that might be appealing to these men? Then
Speaker 1: let me look at projects twenty twenty five. What are
Speaker 1: the things that they're talking about. Then let me look
Speaker 1: at some of this sounds on my own. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to present this to our audience on my own.
Speaker 1: I'm going to decipher all of these things as a journalist.
Speaker 1: When I have a well rounded understanding, I can wrap
Speaker 1: my arms around this fully. Only then can I responsibly
Speaker 1: put this before the one hundred thousand plus people who
Speaker 1: listen to our platform. I am not, as a journalist,
Speaker 1: going to irresponsibly because I have my own I want
Speaker 1: to know what it is put that before an audience.
Speaker 1: I think I have a responsibility to first satisfy my
Speaker 1: own intellectual curiosity privately and responsibly, So I don't know
Speaker 1: that my immediate instinct would be some rando. Then they
Speaker 1: want to vote for Trump, let me interview him. I've
Speaker 1: seen the legacy media do that and they will have
Speaker 1: you know, no Diemanu ras U OFCNN, But I saw
Speaker 1: him interviewing a woman and she was saying, well, I
Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris, and I, you know, could vote for her,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if the country is ready for
Speaker 1: that type of candidate, and he just kind of let
Speaker 1: it go. And I'm thinking, well, you're the reporter, what
Speaker 1: type of can I knew that she was saying, but
Speaker 1: you ask your reporter what exactly is she saying? Or
Speaker 1: as people, are you a registered voter? Have you ever voted?
Speaker 1: When you say you love Trump's policy? What policy specifically?
Speaker 1: Talk us through that and you don't see enough of that.
Speaker 1: But when you are well informed, you can have that
Speaker 1: that type of intellectual exchange. So I'm not so excited
Speaker 1: to put people like that to platform people like that.
Speaker 1: I have other thoughts, but I want to hear hear
Speaker 1: your thoughts, because I think the media just.
Speaker 2: As follow up to what you just said, as as
Speaker 2: in your in your with your journalism hat, and as
Speaker 2: a person who has done streak interviews as well as
Speaker 2: anchor chair interviews, over your over your your storied.
Speaker 3: Work life before, have you ever.
Speaker 2: Been in the position where you're interviewing, let's just say,
Speaker 2: a LA person, regular, you know, folks on the street,
Speaker 2: and your mind is telling you, I know I should
Speaker 2: follow up, but I don't want to put this person
Speaker 2: on the spot ever, and so you've pulled back, always
Speaker 2: gone all the way.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go. It's my responsibility. My responsibility is
Speaker 1: always to the audience, to the viewers, even when we're
Speaker 1: talking and you know, obviously I know what the DLJ
Speaker 1: is or you know, I know what the CBO is,
Speaker 1: but my responsibility is always to the people listening and watching,
Speaker 1: and so I'm always you know, let's stop for a
Speaker 1: second and let's explain this. And the reason is I
Speaker 1: remember consuming news sure, and it felt like, well, they're
Speaker 1: saying all these acronyms that I don't really understand because
Speaker 1: I didn't always. I remember being nineteen trying to get
Speaker 1: in this industry and it felt like not only were
Speaker 1: they not talking to me, sometimes they were talking about
Speaker 1: me with me as an audience, and there was no
Speaker 1: one who looked like me, no one providing proper context,
Speaker 1: no one who thought I was worthy of saying, well,
Speaker 1: let me explain the function. What does the United Nations do?
Speaker 1: What is the America's role in it? You know, why
Speaker 1: is it based in New York? What is the DLJ function? Exactly?
Speaker 1: We just don't take time to explain that. And so
Speaker 1: I think that's why you see a real drop off
Speaker 1: in legacy media. And it just, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: feels like a bunch of For so long, it was
Speaker 1: a bunch of white folks sitting around talking about things
Speaker 1: that we didn't understand, and it almost felt intentional that
Speaker 1: we're going to keep this high bar, and especially because
Speaker 1: we were so kept out of the political process until
Speaker 1: the mid sixties, and it just felt like, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: want your audience to understand, wouldn't it helped you to
Speaker 1: stop and take thirty seconds. I tried to do that
Speaker 1: on my show. But I'll tell you my frustration, Andrew,
Speaker 1: because you and I have both done the cable news circuit,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I have this, as do you.
Speaker 1: We have this breast of knowledge that we can talk about.
Speaker 1: I question people who describe themselves as an intellectual. I
Speaker 1: do not describe myself as an intellectual. I don't consider
Speaker 1: myself an intellectual, but I do have curious.
Speaker 3: Think intellectuals who are true say.
Speaker 1: I'm an intellectual exactly exactly what I have is a
Speaker 1: very hungry appetite for information. And so I do like
Speaker 1: talking to people who I consider intellectuals, and I do
Speaker 1: respectfully consider you an intellectual. I know you may not
Speaker 1: describe yourself that way, but I do.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I think we acknowledge is
Speaker 2: that all of us sort of enter this conversation not
Speaker 2: putting a head on of oh, well, I'm a journalist
Speaker 2: this moment, or I'm a public servant this moment, or
Speaker 2: I'm an activist leader you know, of movement this moment.
Speaker 2: But we're indivisible and who we are is who we are,
Speaker 2: and we may be able to, you know, chill a
Speaker 2: little bit more in this setting, or be more amped
Speaker 2: up in this setting, but as a person, we're not
Speaker 2: putting on masks regarding the fields that we've chosen. We are,
Speaker 2: We're settled into that, into that existence, and that existence
Speaker 2: shows up wherever we show up. And in that you know,
Speaker 2: in the Van Tiffany you were saying, how as an
Speaker 2: observer of in a real student of information, as a journalist,
Speaker 2: that sometimes you felt like journalists were deliberately having conversations
Speaker 2: over your head as a viewer. And I got to
Speaker 2: tell you, I think it's probably true in every field
Speaker 2: and in every industry. I give examples sometimes around politicians
Speaker 2: who say, this is just more complicated than what you're saying,
Speaker 2: and well, that's just a little harder, And that really
Speaker 2: generally is a way a tool I think people use
Speaker 2: to protect themselves as a shield frankly within their comfort place.
Speaker 3: This room is for journalists.
Speaker 2: You must be credentialed in this way and a little
Speaker 2: to partique in this conversation.
Speaker 3: And in truth media.
Speaker 2: Information right now was so democratized you can get it
Speaker 2: from anywhere anyhow, confirmed, not confirmed, rumor meal however you
Speaker 2: want it. And so there's been a bit of a breakdown.
Speaker 2: But generally, I think people use what they have is information,
Speaker 2: the work that they do in a lot of ways
Speaker 2: as a cudgel to beat other people back from it
Speaker 2: and to protect that space for this sort of sacred
Speaker 2: group elected media, even I would say, organizers and leaders
Speaker 2: of movement, even in some ways move in that way,
Speaker 2: and none of us are served by it. So to
Speaker 2: the point I understood the first respondent that we had
Speaker 2: who mentioned we need them more round it, I just
Speaker 2: want to say, you may not hear me articulate the
Speaker 2: positions of the right, but I fully understand because similar
Speaker 2: to what you laid out, Tiffany, we've read and vetted
Speaker 2: through what's real and what isn't about this whole thing
Speaker 2: and made it make sense for ourselves. And now what
Speaker 2: I'm telling you is my hard earned position with a
Speaker 2: complete understanding of what the other side happens to be selling.
Speaker 3: Take Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: They wrote it out for all of us to read,
Speaker 2: to see, to understand, to comprehend.
Speaker 5: When they talked about loyalty, oaths.
Speaker 2: And hiring people into this government who are fied down
Speaker 2: to one man, I knew what that was. I didn't
Speaker 2: sign up for that, and that isn't what a democracy is.
Speaker 2: We're not a culture personality as a democracy, and democracies
Speaker 2: were built to protect the minority, not to trounce over
Speaker 2: the minority. So I may not be articulating that in
Speaker 2: probably twenty five they said X, Y, and Z, and
Speaker 2: this is what they believe and where it comes from.
Speaker 2: But I've consumed that and the deciding of where it
Speaker 2: is that I come down on any particular position. My
Speaker 2: thing about conservative guests, and I don't have an opposition
Speaker 2: at all to conservative guests, But you can't just be
Speaker 2: out here spewing something that sounds different than maybe what
Speaker 2: you're getting from the three of us and automatically that
Speaker 2: that is a conversation that I ought to be platformed.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, I got a relative who,
Speaker 2: in many ways can be described in some ways as
Speaker 2: sort of the He's going to be the opposite side
Speaker 2: of the coin that anybody else is on. If the
Speaker 2: majority of the room is on this one, he's absolutely
Speaker 2: going to be contraran and on the other side. And
Speaker 2: I remember as a youngster and school thinking like you
Speaker 2: talking about welfare people and people's you know, government giving
Speaker 2: away da da da da. And I can't think of
Speaker 2: a day I've ever encountered y'all. W well, y'all haven't
Speaker 2: been on the take, well you have, you know, been
Speaker 2: the ones getting and receiving, and yet we're supposed to
Speaker 2: like entertain this conversation. I remember getting to the point
Speaker 2: as a young person saying, I'm not even gonna engage anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it doesn't make sense. I can't believe that you
Speaker 2: believe what you're saying. And I feel that way about
Speaker 2: a lot of conservative activists that we hear these days,
Speaker 2: is that there's an acting happening, and that what I'm
Speaker 2: getting is this mask of like, oh high its bidder
Speaker 2: is where I'm at, and this is their positions and
Speaker 2: I'm spewing it now versus a real deep sense that
Speaker 2: I'm getting the honest truth about what you feel, what
Speaker 2: you think, and why you hold that position.
Speaker 3: We'll pick up on the rests after this next breaks.
Speaker 4: They turned.
Speaker 6: TI.
Speaker 2: I mean, Angela, I'm really curious whether or not how
Speaker 2: you've processed through. I think the audience probably knows well
Speaker 2: that you've been an advocate for you know, having diverse voices,
Speaker 2: you know, lifted up so that we can understand folks better.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious what vet do you put on, what
Speaker 2: that looks like, and how we make sure that conversation
Speaker 2: when we have them, are really valuable ones that promote growth.
Speaker 8: So I I don't know that I agree that there
Speaker 8: has to be a bar. Maybe the bar is that
Speaker 8: you don't lie on black people. Maybe the bar is
Speaker 8: that you're not super insulting and disrespectful to us. Maybe
Speaker 8: somebody has some really interesting reason for why they don't
Speaker 8: support reparations. If we if reparation, being a reparationist is
Speaker 8: the criteria. There are black people who many of our
Speaker 8: folks have voted for, who when they get out publicly,
Speaker 8: don't say they support reparations. Some of them have never
Speaker 8: signed on to HR forty in the House. That's the bar.
Speaker 8: It's a lot of black folks who won't be able
Speaker 8: to be included. I'd rather take the position of and
Speaker 8: this I think goes back to conversations we've had in
Speaker 8: the past tip about convincing. I would rather have them
Speaker 8: on the platform to try to convince them, or at
Speaker 8: least try to understand why would they not support making
Speaker 8: sure that black people are put on equal footing. So
Speaker 8: I'm sure there's a crisiia that can be developed. There's
Speaker 8: probably an audience member that has already done some of that.
Speaker 8: When we're learning, certainly on this tour is that people
Speaker 8: are doing a lot of work. Folks just don't know
Speaker 8: about it. So maybe if you have that set of Crisier,
Speaker 8: you could send it over to us to our Instagram
Speaker 8: at Native Lampot.
Speaker 2: I think one of the things I fear a little
Speaker 2: bit too is I think we've developed an honest exchange
Speaker 2: with each other, and I think we've done so far
Speaker 2: with the guests that we have had, you know, had
Speaker 2: an honest exchange. Granted there's not been a lot of
Speaker 2: points of departure on probably the big theme issues. But
Speaker 2: my fear is is that I would hate for us
Speaker 2: to have, you know, the relationship with our audience is
Speaker 2: having this discourse and then we basically have propaganda sort
Speaker 2: of sprinkled and that doesn't end up being a really
Speaker 2: true leveled conversation, but more of like here are my
Speaker 2: talking points, and then here is what I think our
Speaker 2: you know, my side stands for, and then here are
Speaker 2: the if there's a way to be you know, for
Speaker 2: us to get beneath in our conversations. And I felt
Speaker 2: this way about Cable News Angela. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it ever hit you this way, you know, when we
Speaker 2: would be invited on as guests of this show or
Speaker 2: this show. It's like, I'm having this conversation that I
Speaker 2: think is a conversation and I'm earnestly, you know, turning
Speaker 2: to Kevin Jennings or you know, or or whomever, and
Speaker 2: that we may be making away with each other, but
Speaker 2: in truth, you.
Speaker 3: Hadn't heard a damn thing I've said.
Speaker 2: The thing that you just spewed out had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the conversation that we're on. But maybe you
Speaker 2: got a point across, you know, for your side, And
Speaker 2: to me, those are just so disrespectful to the viewership
Speaker 2: the listenership that that we would we would insult you
Speaker 2: enough with a propaganda fest over leveling.
Speaker 3: This thing so that we can have a real discourse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think no answer.
Speaker 1: Well, I just I think that's why this platform is important,
Speaker 1: because the three of us can have a deeper, more
Speaker 1: nuanced discussion. We have such a breath of knowledge and
Speaker 1: expertise coming from three very different backgrounds and areas where
Speaker 1: we can get into that, you know, where we can
Speaker 1: have a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas and ideology. And
Speaker 1: on cable news, it's like everyone is looking for that
Speaker 1: viral moment, and so you know, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: robbed of the opportunity to actually have deep exchange, to
Speaker 1: actually inform, to actually put things in context, to contextualize
Speaker 1: some of these things. I don't know how you have
Speaker 1: strong opinions about tariffs when you don't understand our relationship
Speaker 1: with China, when you don't understand the global supply chain,
Speaker 1: when you don't don't understand the purchasing power of other countries.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you have an informed discussion about
Speaker 1: our national security when you don't understand the global threats
Speaker 1: to the United States and the global threat that the
Speaker 1: United States is to other places. So trying to fit
Speaker 1: things into like sixty seconds and people want that, like
Speaker 1: I went off on you and then it went viral
Speaker 1: and now we all going all over the place. It
Speaker 1: just feels so reductionist to the moment we're in and
Speaker 1: here at least we get to, you know, deeply explore
Speaker 1: some things. And what I notice about our audience, which
Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative, is there's rarely ever been where our
Speaker 1: audience is. I agree whole heartily with Angela, I agree
Speaker 1: whole heartily with Sippy. I agree whole heartly with Andrew.
Speaker 1: There is always a pretty even collection of people who
Speaker 1: agree with us in each way. But even the people
Speaker 1: who may vehemently disagree with something I said, they always
Speaker 1: close with but I love tim. If they disagree with Angela,
Speaker 1: they're like, girl, I don't know about that, but you know,
Speaker 1: I love you, or like Andrew, you drive me crazy,
Speaker 1: you got it wrong, but I love you like it
Speaker 1: is a discussion in love. And that just feels so
Speaker 1: much better to me than platforming some of these you know,
Speaker 1: half witted people who are just there to regurgitate Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's nutsack. Really, at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, just stop it, you know. And I don't
Speaker 1: even think it frustrates me to put be put on
Speaker 1: the same level as some of these people. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like we are not on equal footing. Like you
Speaker 1: cannot talk to me about the uties because you don't
Speaker 1: even know who that is. But you want to like
Speaker 1: regurgitate something that you saw on Fox News and you
Speaker 1: have no idea. It used to drive me crazy when
Speaker 1: Angela first started doing television, and you know, she worked
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, been the executive director for a legislative
Speaker 1: body for the rest of Black Caucus and it's on
Speaker 1: there opposite someone who writes a blog. You know, like,
Speaker 1: have no clue about it. Angel You were a gubernatorial
Speaker 1: candidate and you're sitting across from somebody who was a
Speaker 1: junior press sect on somebody's campaign. It's not They're not
Speaker 1: like us, you know, it's not the same. So that
Speaker 1: kind of thing just just frustrates me. Angela. You were
Speaker 1: talking about the state of the tour and we we
Speaker 1: can we can delete this and we don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But I think some of the things
Speaker 1: that you were saying about the tour and some of
Speaker 1: the voices that you wanted to include, to me that
Speaker 1: that was a very meaty discussion because your perspective has
Speaker 1: been organizing by addition, not subtraction, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think that is uh, it's gonna make some people uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, and it makes me some of it makes
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable, But that is like those are the to me,
Speaker 1: that is a more meati conversation too than hearing from
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I agree with everything, but
Speaker 1: I just think the point you were making was valid.
Speaker 1: And so you y'all are saying you just want to
Speaker 1: talk about or just want to talk to people you
Speaker 1: agree with and talk to the people who agree with us,
Speaker 1: and that's not really organizing. And I think maybe that's
Speaker 1: what some of the viewers are trying to suggest as well.
Speaker 1: But I just think that's a different level of philosophical
Speaker 1: discussion that we get to have here. All right, Well, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, Andrew.
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't know if you were asking
Speaker 8: me something or disagreeing, but I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, you wanted to get into the I had
Speaker 1: questions for you about your topic.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll try to tee it up in this
Speaker 2: smaller way, which is simply to say, we all warned
Speaker 2: about Project twenty twenty five. We went through, we did
Speaker 2: an episode on it. It is very clear that Russell
Speaker 2: Vogue is one thousand percent committed to his mission, and
Speaker 2: whether people know it or not, this is a person
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is being sidelined.
Speaker 3: Mind.
Speaker 5: But all the reporting that I have seen, the man
Speaker 5: behind the curtain all the while is still Russell Vogue.
Speaker 5: And so this person who is little known, little advertised,
Speaker 5: little talked about, is deeply censed in the federal and
Speaker 5: knowledge about the federal system. He worked for a US senator,
Speaker 5: he's been a policy director, he's worked in the in
Speaker 5: the in the nuanced details of budgeting of the federal government.
Speaker 5: Which is what frightens me the most about his position
Speaker 5: within this administration and the power that he's ascended to,
Speaker 5: because he's exactly the type of person who knows how
Speaker 5: to bring it all down, to bring it all in.
Speaker 2: If you're committed to that end and you spent the
Speaker 2: time studying and understanding and knowing how to do it,
Speaker 2: it ought to frighten and shake all of us to
Speaker 2: the court to know that there is that kind of
Speaker 2: a fox in the hen house. And what I mean
Speaker 2: about the hen house, I mean the henhouse of democracy.
Speaker 3: The room of.
Speaker 2: The Constitution, the underbelly of statutes and laws that then
Speaker 2: govern this democracy. This is a person who understands that
Speaker 2: hook letter verse. And so now we read in Project
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five about the loyalty oh to the Trump
Speaker 2: administration and they want federal government employees to be mostly
Speaker 2: fidel to him and not to the Constitution. And so
Speaker 2: what is about to happen based off of this executive
Speaker 2: order that the President signed in April. That has now
Speaker 2: advanced forward and it is expected to be part of
Speaker 2: a compromise on the budget that the House Speaker is
Speaker 2: going to lead. Is it will transform what are fifty
Speaker 2: thousand currently civil service positions. These are people who get
Speaker 2: hired into the government, they work for protect a respective
Speaker 2: part of the government, and their fidelity ultimately is to
Speaker 2: the Constitution, to the laws of this country to enact
Speaker 2: what has passed through the Congress and signed by the president. Well,
Speaker 2: they want to change the those positions so that they're
Speaker 2: no longer equal opportunity positions for anyone who is qualified
Speaker 2: to apply and.
Speaker 3: Get hired too.
Speaker 2: You must be loyal to Donald Trump or the president
Speaker 2: if you will, and your job is to enact the
Speaker 2: agenda of the president without regard to any of those
Speaker 2: other factors. That's problematic because it's those other factors that
Speaker 2: make what the president does either.
Speaker 4: Legal or illegal.
Speaker 2: And if you, as a person, are able to unilaterally
Speaker 2: decide that all we do is follow the edicts of
Speaker 2: the President without regard to the law, what's right to
Speaker 2: the codes and statutes of the country, you, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: are no longer civilly servant to the people you're civilly
Speaker 2: servant to a man, you are servant to an individual. Well,
Speaker 2: these fifty thousand positions that are about to be transitioned
Speaker 2: is just the start of where they ultimately want to
Speaker 2: go with the over two million federal employees, which is
Speaker 2: to make them again holy oil, to the individual occupant
Speaker 2: of the White House. Whereas our democracy has been built
Speaker 2: on and has stood not perfectly because I got my critiques,
Speaker 2: but has stood largely on civil servants who follow the law,
Speaker 2: the constitution and will absolutely disobey in unlawful order. And
Speaker 2: if we're now changing that to you obey whatever the
Speaker 2: order is from the commander in chief, from the President
Speaker 2: of the United States, without regard to the other stuff,
Speaker 2: we are well then on the way to fascism because
Speaker 2: to a system of democracy that doesn't look anything like
Speaker 2: democracy at all, but more like that of a king,
Speaker 2: a dictator, or a tyrant.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally everything you're saying, because we've obviously heard about
Speaker 1: this before he was actually even elected. And then when
Speaker 1: he took over, there were employees government employees saying that
Speaker 1: they were asked about their fealty. Loyalty, said Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And I just wonder what exactly is that litmus test.
Speaker 1: And this is just something that we've not seen before.
Speaker 1: And I think I think people are so tuned out
Speaker 1: to the extent because we cannot fathom losing rights, you know,
Speaker 1: like people have never we've never been confronted with the
Speaker 1: concept of losing rights. And if you are building an army, essentially,
Speaker 1: if you are supplanting everybody within the federal government to
Speaker 1: be these loyalists, I mean, that is what you have
Speaker 1: in Russia with Putin, That's what you have in Turkey
Speaker 1: with Erdowan, That's what you have. Even in China, I
Speaker 1: would see, that's what you have in uh uh, the
Speaker 1: the other dictator I can't wake.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's Cuba.
Speaker 2: We've got it also where we are now exporting American
Speaker 2: citizens to prisons country exactly where you've got a strong
Speaker 2: man figure. Everybody's lord to the strong man figure, and
Speaker 2: and lo and behold, there is zero accountability, and then
Speaker 2: people start to regret the kind of system that then
Speaker 2: takes hold again. All of these people were elected as populist.
Speaker 1: First, Yeahan and Turkey, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but as pop they were the voice
Speaker 2: of the people. And then they got there and it
Speaker 2: became very clear that the voice for themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that legal? Like I, I don't know that
Speaker 1: the courts are going to hold so I don't know
Speaker 1: what a law is at this point. But is it
Speaker 1: legal to create the fifty thousand positions where you have
Speaker 1: to be loyal to not even the executive branch, but
Speaker 1: the president himself? And if not, where does it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Who is the person that's going to stand between Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and his building? Essentially an army, a workforce of
Speaker 1: loyal federal employees.
Speaker 2: To tivioty is the right question. And unfortunately, the people
Speaker 2: who would normally be the stop gap the Congress, they've
Speaker 2: already shown themselves to be head over heels, backless.
Speaker 3: You know exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: That's pretty frightening when you think about it, And it
Speaker 1: kind of is the point that I was making around
Speaker 1: a lot of this. We are exporting a lot of populism,
Speaker 1: And it kind of details into Angela what you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about with the citizens because I do feel
Speaker 1: like Congress has been pretty reckless at this point. But
Speaker 1: curious your thoughts because it's from topic you want to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to pull sound, but
Speaker 8: there's some really good sound from this past weekend. Members
Speaker 8: of Congress, who including Corey Booker, who a lot of
Speaker 8: folks were so proud of for standing on the Senate
Speaker 8: floor for more than twenty four hours breaking strom Thurman's record.
Speaker 8: He was a part of what they were calling. Some
Speaker 8: were calling this, and we're calling a teaching this past
Speaker 8: weekend on Sunday, and so they sat on the steps
Speaker 8: and I'm not gonna lie to y'all. The image that
Speaker 8: I had in my mind was Sesame Street. I don't
Speaker 8: know why I was given Sesame Street vibes, that it
Speaker 8: was given Sesame Street vibes.
Speaker 5: The teaching they were teaching, Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 8: But I just it felt a lot softer than his
Speaker 8: initial approach. But the circumstances have gotten so much more severe.
Speaker 8: There are a lot of people who come out of
Speaker 8: traditional movement work that really liked what they did, and
Speaker 8: I'm not saying I didn't. And the worst part is,
Speaker 8: I hate to be a person that criticizes the thing,
Speaker 8: and then I don't have the alternative. So I don't
Speaker 8: know what the alternative is. I don't know that it's
Speaker 8: another press conference, I don't know that it's going on
Speaker 8: more shows, and it may be a combination.
Speaker 6: Of all of these things.
Speaker 8: I think that what they're really wrestling with, which is
Speaker 8: something we wrestle with every week too, is cutting through.
Speaker 8: How do you cut through? Why are you talking about
Speaker 8: stuff that nobody understands, or your approach is one that
Speaker 8: nobody appreciates or you know very few people do, or
Speaker 8: you're in that same echo chamber talking to the same
Speaker 8: people you always talk to. What are you going to
Speaker 8: do to stretch yourself out of your comfort zone? Now,
Speaker 8: to be fair, they might have been in comfortable clothes,
Speaker 8: but I think they stretch themselves out of their comfort zone,
Speaker 8: their safe spaces behind a podium, at a press conference,
Speaker 8: on the House floor, you know, debating a bill in
Speaker 8: a committee room, right in a markup or a hearing,
Speaker 8: asking questions to the other side or to a witness.
Speaker 8: So I know they're stretching, but I'm just wondering tactically
Speaker 8: if it was the right thing. I really don't have
Speaker 8: an answer. I have my initial impression and my like,
Speaker 8: I am relentless right now about going to find the one.
Speaker 8: I don't know who the one is, but I feel
Speaker 8: like I'll know them when I see them. To the
Speaker 8: point of losing my voice. It is the person that
Speaker 8: does not ordinarily come to the things that we go to.
Speaker 8: It is the person that you know would find some
Speaker 8: of what we are striving to do uncomfortable. It is
Speaker 8: the person that is like, why are you doing that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 8: Who cares that person? How do we reach them? Because
Speaker 8: that is the person that won this last election. Maybe
Speaker 8: they won this last election.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm talking about I stay at home.
Speaker 8: That's who I'm talking about, the apathy, Like numerically they
Speaker 8: won the election, yes, yes, So I'm saying.
Speaker 2: For those who decided the president, there's a different I
Speaker 2: think there's a different equation for the formula of person
Speaker 2: that showed out and decided that Donald Trump should be president.
Speaker 8: Again, I'm not talking about them when I'm saying numerically,
Speaker 8: I'm talking about the one who stayed home, because numerically
Speaker 8: that is who won the election.
Speaker 5: But that isn't who's governing. I guess that's where I
Speaker 5: love to.
Speaker 8: Well kind of because their apathy means that anything goes,
Speaker 8: anything goes as the reason why this man is in
Speaker 8: the White House. So I hear your point, but I'm
Speaker 8: just saying numerically, apathy just the thing that we have
Speaker 8: to reach them or we're going to stay here. And
Speaker 8: staying here is dangerous for all of us. Whether they
Speaker 8: specually chose him, they were apathetic, or they did not
Speaker 8: choose him, we're all suffering the same consequence. So how
Speaker 8: do we reach the apathetic? How do we reach the
Speaker 8: people that said not me, I don't want anything to
Speaker 8: do with this. Maybe they weren't apathetic, Maybe they just
Speaker 8: chose not to participate. I want to find them. I
Speaker 8: am desperately trying to find them.
Speaker 2: Is it possible, though, that what they do with the
Speaker 2: member of Congress did, frankly, should just be one more
Speaker 2: thing that we put on the menu of options that
Speaker 2: we get to exercise and trying to figure this thing out,
Speaker 2: because I sctually think it's everything all at once, all
Speaker 2: the time multiplied.
Speaker 3: That's what I think the pushback is.
Speaker 2: Because Donald Trump has a big footprint, and unfortunately that
Speaker 2: road show that he's got is exactly what traditional cable
Speaker 2: news and even traditional news is apt to follow. It
Speaker 2: is entertaining by and large for a lot of people
Speaker 2: until the consequences show up at your doorstep. That's how
Speaker 2: we see these videos of people who went out and
Speaker 2: I had a Trump flag, and then I was the
Speaker 2: first one laid off, and I didn't think it was
Speaker 2: gonna happen, And I'm thinking, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: So it was gonna be good for everybody else?
Speaker 2: And you thought everybody else was the person who was
Speaker 2: a slacker on the job that wasn't working and deserved
Speaker 2: to be fired. But when the slacker on the job
Speaker 2: who deserved to be fired showed up to be you,
Speaker 2: then this was all a bad choice, a bad decision.
Speaker 2: And I just I think his appetite for media, not
Speaker 2: just consumption but media shaping is so it's so insatiable
Speaker 2: that we're not going to beat him at that game.
Speaker 2: But we all to be, we ought to be, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, fighting on all alternative platforms as well as
Speaker 2: on the ones that he's on. So I think it's
Speaker 2: everything all at once, all the time multiplied. That's the strategy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's any I think it's a noble
Speaker 1: effort to talk to apathetic people because there are so
Speaker 1: many right now. But I just want to crystallize the
Speaker 1: point that I don't think apathy won the election, Like
Speaker 1: the math doesn't support that white people won the election. Overwhelmingly,
Speaker 1: like he drove out the highest voter turnout among white
Speaker 1: people since black people got the right to vote. The
Speaker 1: narrative in legacy media has been, you know, people stayed home,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I cannot put the failure
Speaker 1: in his democracy at our feet. You know, I think
Speaker 1: the overwhelming I didn't say you said that, Angela. I'm
Speaker 1: just making my point, but but go ahead.
Speaker 8: No, I just to say, just for clarity, because it
Speaker 8: happens a lot on the show, I did not say that.
Speaker 8: So I just want to make sure that is not
Speaker 8: what people take out of this that I'm saying black
Speaker 8: people did it.
Speaker 6: I am not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, just my own individual point that I'm making
Speaker 1: independent of anybody else's point is that white people overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: voted for this man, and they were not confused about it.
Speaker 1: This whole idea of oh well, I didn't like they
Speaker 1: knowingly cast a ballot for this man. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to combat that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you know, if we showed up as fourteen percent
Speaker 1: of this society overwhelmingly and you know, again, I know
Speaker 1: people are tired to be sound and hopeless, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have the numbers to change it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just starting to feel like, if this is
Speaker 1: what y'all want, then take it. Like I honestly, I like,
Speaker 1: where can we have peace? Where can we have reprieve?
Speaker 1: Where can we live? You know, It's like the jay
Speaker 1: Z line, can I live? If this is what you
Speaker 1: all will choose time and again, then it's just frustrating
Speaker 1: to constant have to live in constant battle. And since
Speaker 1: the inception of this country, it feels like there has
Speaker 1: never been a time for peace for black folks. We
Speaker 1: have always had to battle them for something that they
Speaker 1: You know, maybe some people will feign ignorance later and
Speaker 1: say I didn't know, but I have to call out
Speaker 1: bes like, no, you did know. You voted for this
Speaker 1: is what you want. Everything is happening is what you
Speaker 1: wanted to happen, and that's why you cast this ballot.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know if, like when
Speaker 1: we tap into the apathetic, are we tapping into them
Speaker 1: to participate in this system to create a mass exodus
Speaker 1: out of this system to take cover while this system
Speaker 1: works itself out. I just don't I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm of the point now where I'm
Speaker 1: like on some build community and communes and go off
Speaker 1: the grid. I don't even know what that looks like,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be that kind of because I
Speaker 1: don't know where this goes next. If we're here at
Speaker 1: barely one hundred days in, where do we go next?
Speaker 8: If I may Andrew just really quick on the mass
Speaker 8: because I'm not good at maths, so I have to
Speaker 8: go back and check my math sometimes. According to this
Speaker 8: piece in the Guardian, it says that it is estimated
Speaker 8: that close to ninety million Americans, roughly thirty six percent
Speaker 8: of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. CNN
Speaker 8: has so that's ninety million. So I decided to make
Speaker 8: sure because I know I can be really bad at math.
Speaker 8: Kamala Harris obtained seventy five a little over seventy five
Speaker 8: million votes. Donald Trump obtained a little over seventy seven
Speaker 8: point three million votes. So again, it is estimated that
Speaker 8: close to ninety million Americans, roughly thirty six percent of
Speaker 8: the eligible voting age population, did not vote. I'm not
Speaker 8: resting this at the like, there's not even that many
Speaker 8: black people. I'm not putting this on black folks. I
Speaker 8: am asking and pleading with people to help me find
Speaker 8: the folks who are of voting age who did not
Speaker 8: participate so we can understand why, so we can change
Speaker 8: that system. I don't know that continuing it. I mean,
Speaker 8: white folks who voted for Trump definitely did. White folks
Speaker 8: who voted against Kamala Harris definitely won the election in
Speaker 8: terms of who took the oath of office. But the
Speaker 8: people who won by apathy still outpaced Donald Trump and
Speaker 8: Kamala Harris. So that to me is the push even
Speaker 8: for this tour, there are too many black folks who
Speaker 8: are of voting age also who didn't not participate. I
Speaker 8: want to reach them first. Those are my people, right,
Speaker 8: But I also want to try to tap into why
Speaker 8: people could have such an awesome responsibility and not engaged.
Speaker 6: And I think think.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I think your point of
Speaker 2: of apathy winning the election is simply it could be
Speaker 2: a philosophical difference or a semantical one, because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, where I draw, where I draw
Speaker 2: conclusion around who won is who governs. But I understand
Speaker 2: the point of how many, what percentage of people chose
Speaker 2: not to participate in truth. Every candidate, every political committee,
Speaker 2: every pack we can think of, with the exception of
Speaker 2: some of what Elon Musk did as a way of
Speaker 2: dangling money out to people, if you show up, you
Speaker 2: can get one hundred dollars here and a ten thousand
Speaker 2: and a million here. Aside from that, all the political
Speaker 2: quote smart money is not on going after that ninety
Speaker 2: plus million at all. All the political smart money, supposedly,
Speaker 2: if you want to call it smart, is going toward
Speaker 2: persuading those who you know are on the chessboard and
Speaker 2: will vote, to come out and vote your way. It's
Speaker 2: why a lot of campaigns don't put a bunch of
Speaker 2: money into voter registration, quite frankly, because they're really not
Speaker 2: interested in turning out the unknown. They don't want the
Speaker 2: people who they're not sure how they're going to perform
Speaker 2: to actually show up. That's why they make the laws harder. Nobody,
Speaker 2: no politician I know, wants unpredictability in the system. They're
Speaker 2: very similar to money markets. Money markets hate the unpredicted,
Speaker 2: the unpredictable. Politicians governmental initusians those who are competing and
Speaker 2: combating for power. They hate the unknown unless the unknown
Speaker 2: is really known to them, which is, if I pump
Speaker 2: this number and it shows up, they're voting for me.
Speaker 2: It used to be going theory that if an election
Speaker 2: was a high turnout election, the end result would be
Speaker 2: a Democrat would win. That used to be the status
Speaker 2: quote for decades. Well guess what Donald Trump enters the formula.
Speaker 2: He turns it on his head. And now when we
Speaker 2: see high turnout, Democrats get nervous because we believe high
Speaker 2: turnout is going to result and Donald Trump and Republicans winning.
Speaker 2: That's been a topsy turvey of a system that I've
Speaker 2: understood and that I've studied, and that I've competed in
Speaker 2: for over two decades as a as an elected official
Speaker 2: myself or a candidate for election.
Speaker 3: And the math.
Speaker 2: The worst part about the math is that the money
Speaker 2: is not going to follow going for the person who
Speaker 2: you're not sure how they're going to perform. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think the money is going to exacerbate itself on
Speaker 2: the side of if you are a voter who I
Speaker 2: can guarantee that if I turn you out, you're going
Speaker 2: to vote my way. That's where the big money and
Speaker 2: the smart money is going to continue to be. And
Speaker 2: that's going to be undemocratizing to that ninety plus million
Speaker 2: and all who join them afterwards, because they's still not
Speaker 2: going to feel heard, seen or reflected in the government,
Speaker 2: because the government is going to get further and further
Speaker 2: estranged from them. And that's exactly the way the systems
Speaker 2: of power that turn want it to work.
Speaker 1: It just feels like, because we even the numbers when
Speaker 1: you disaggregate that by race, he had the highest number
Speaker 1: of whites, Like he turned out white voters intentionally with
Speaker 1: his racism, with his tropes. He turned out this was
Speaker 1: the third highest turnout for black voters. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, no, we participated, not all of us,
Speaker 1: and surely and even our voting turnout in general, which
Speaker 1: I think speaks to your point, Angela, like we've never
Speaker 1: had most of our population turnout when it comes to voting,
Speaker 1: but black votes like we showed up. We turned out
Speaker 1: more for Vice President Harris than we did for Biden.
Speaker 1: And it's also the it highlighted the gap between Latino
Speaker 1: voters and Black voters for the first time, which was
Speaker 1: also a wide gap. And it feels like, if this
Speaker 1: is what we are looking at, then where do we
Speaker 1: go from here, you know, because like if fine, if
Speaker 1: we're going to tap into the apathetic, then what are
Speaker 1: we tapping in them to say? Like, what are we
Speaker 1: asking them to do? Because it can't be you know,
Speaker 1: we need you all to vote next time, like no, no, no, no, no. First,
Speaker 1: we need you to believe in something. So what is
Speaker 1: the sum thing that we're asking them to believe in?
Speaker 1: And right now I don't know. The only thing I
Speaker 1: can believe in is US, That's it. We were having
Speaker 1: a conversation some friends and I and we were saying
Speaker 1: somebody asked, well, at what point because people are concerned
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump concerned the military on people, and they
Speaker 1: were asking, well, at what point do the people in
Speaker 1: the military do the rank and file say no, this
Speaker 1: isn't right. And I black women make up a disproportionate
Speaker 1: amount of people in the military, like we and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the only people I can count on. I can
Speaker 1: trust that black women will not, in service to this country,
Speaker 1: turn their weapons on me. I put my life on it.
Speaker 1: Literally beyond that, I don't know. I have no belief
Speaker 1: in no one but us. When I say us, I
Speaker 1: mean black people. I don't just mean black women. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have my safety relies on us and resides in US.
Speaker 1: So it is I mean, it is a moment in
Speaker 1: time really to just take I don't jump out there
Speaker 1: and comment on every little thing. Like sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: the bookers will call and they want you and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing that game anymore, you know, because this
Speaker 1: person said something, you want me to respond, and this
Speaker 1: person want to come to do sixty seconds on this subject.
Speaker 1: It's too serious for that right now, you know, Like
Speaker 1: sometimes I just need to take a moment and observe
Speaker 1: what is happening and gather my thoughts, gather my spirit
Speaker 1: because I just, yeah, I don't know where we go
Speaker 1: from here. I really don't can. I think.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I think the small
Speaker 2: wins is where I think I'm finding some comfort. I
Speaker 2: think I took a lot of courage from watching what
Speaker 2: Harvard did and seeing some of the other institutions, academic
Speaker 2: institutional leadership stand up and basically applaud them and say
Speaker 2: you know here here, you know, keep going, And then
Speaker 2: to watch that frankly, the Republican the the Trump administration
Speaker 2: back up and say that letter shouldn't have been sent.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't have said what we said. Now the question
Speaker 2: is is all y'all going to restore the funding and
Speaker 2: the way that it's supposed to be. And obviously the
Speaker 2: bigger question is going to be how the courts ultimately
Speaker 2: decide here. But I agree with you that it's hard
Speaker 2: to find faith that the institutions as they were designed
Speaker 2: are going I don't think they predicted that this was
Speaker 2: going to be who you know, they would operate this way,
Speaker 2: and that their effect was going to be not to
Speaker 2: the dismemberment of black folk exclusively, but that the effect
Speaker 2: was going to be on them as well. And now
Speaker 2: that's the only time I think we see this administration
Speaker 2: backing up in any real way is when they hear
Speaker 2: from their people that, oh, no, no, no, you miscalculated this.
Speaker 2: That program Secretary HEXXF that you just got rid of
Speaker 2: that sets women up for greater achievement within the military.
Speaker 2: You just voided and said, this woke stuff is over.
Speaker 2: Was created by your president, signed into law by first
Speaker 2: Donald Trump adminished he put it into law. And guess
Speaker 2: what the major sponsor in the Senate was Marco Rubio
Speaker 2: as a senator and now US Secretary of State.
Speaker 3: And guests who sponsored it in the House.
Speaker 2: Christy nom your Homeland Security advisor turned centerfold. I mean
Speaker 2: that picture, you.
Speaker 3: Know, the blowout and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the point is real that these folks, they
Speaker 2: were they pushed it themselves. And you put out tweets
Speaker 2: decrying this as woke policy. Well, that's woke policy from
Speaker 2: your colleagues, former cabinet members, the Secretary of Homeland Security
Speaker 2: and the third highest ranking individual in the government, the
Speaker 2: Secretary of State.
Speaker 3: That's where that came from.
Speaker 2: And so only then do they get quieted and just
Speaker 2: a little bit because they don't apologize.
Speaker 3: They don't say this was a mistake.
Speaker 2: Right, but there is no safety to be found there
Speaker 2: in my opinion, And you're ex' you're you're exceedingly right
Speaker 2: that those in this country as apathetic have largely largely
Speaker 2: continued to stay out of the system.
Speaker 5: But I don't want people to think that that's a
Speaker 5: new advent. The the the.
Speaker 2: Extension of the ability to vote, period has always intended.
Speaker 3: To exclude the majority.
Speaker 2: Again, only property owning white men were originally allowed to vote,
Speaker 2: not all white men. And so when that when that
Speaker 2: franchise got extended to non property owning white people. That
Speaker 2: was another layer of enfranchising. And then two black folk
Speaker 2: black you know, and then of course we have we
Speaker 2: already you know the history around the clap back there.
Speaker 2: But these have been gradual inclusions that the government in
Speaker 2: this country didn't start with an assumption of radical inclusion
Speaker 2: of everybody.
Speaker 1: But that's another thing, the lack of knowledge of history,
Speaker 1: the lack of curiosity about history. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: look at the American Revolution, most people don't know what
Speaker 1: the mary of you asked, somebody, tell me what was
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War about? Like, how did that that come
Speaker 1: to be? I mean it's quite cyclical. I mean that
Speaker 1: in itself was about out terrorifts. And the way we
Speaker 1: tell the story is like all these poor American, poor
Speaker 1: brave Americans, was like no, y'all didn't want to pay
Speaker 1: your fair share like that. That was always part of
Speaker 1: the problem. So it's really nothing new under this sign
Speaker 1: right precisely, I know we're coming up on time. I
Speaker 1: just want to play a quick snippet with a conversation
Speaker 1: I had with Ricaya Diallo about how people one about
Speaker 1: where we are in the globe US as community and
Speaker 1: how people are perceiving the United States, because as you
Speaker 1: all know, in France they handled Marine Lapin with much
Speaker 1: more I think, righteousness and caution than we did Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: This week Canada had an election. They elected Mark Carney
Speaker 1: as their new prime minister, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: he would have won had it not been for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: It was a fight against America. People across the globe
Speaker 1: have been warning about a rising authoritarian government in the
Speaker 1: United States, and so Richai Diallo is just a fascinating
Speaker 1: intellectual out of Paris who I think is strikingly beautiful
Speaker 1: and other things. And I was able to chat with
Speaker 1: her for Michael Harriet's Catreman camp. But I'd like to
Speaker 1: just play a little of that sound and get your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the other side, please.
Speaker 11: Mario Marichal Lupen, who is the niece of Marinupen, one
Speaker 11: of the leaders of the Faraight, was invited to the
Speaker 11: US to speak in front of you know people, MAGA
Speaker 11: people so like the It's they're very well organized and
Speaker 11: they are really really good to spread the ideas, you know,
Speaker 11: across the both sides of the Atlantic. And you know what,
Speaker 11: when Vance came in Germany in January, he you know,
Speaker 11: he pointed out the idea of the enemy from within,
Speaker 11: and we know that he's really targeting us, you know,
Speaker 11: black people, Muslim who was supposedly not really Europeans, and
Speaker 11: him coming from the US just you know, fueling hate
Speaker 11: against us is really putting us into danger. And it's
Speaker 11: something that is really well organized globally.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing that's interesting to me. They are
Speaker 1: well organized globally, and I wonder, are we right something
Speaker 1: that happens here in America. There are some people, a
Speaker 1: small sect of people, who feel like we have to
Speaker 1: worry about us, We have to worry about the people
Speaker 1: who are direct descendants of the enslaved from here in America.
Speaker 1: You and I are both survivors of white supremacy, our
Speaker 1: families or survivors of white supremacy. I am the descendant
Speaker 1: of the enslaved here. You are not the descendant of
Speaker 1: enslaved yet still you have been harmed right by by
Speaker 1: white people, and so I feel solidarity with you. You know,
Speaker 1: I understand when you're talking. It's like, yes, I understand
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. I wonder as we navigate this,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of black people here who are
Speaker 1: looking to flee, you know, expats who are saying I
Speaker 1: have to leave a mayor, And I just wonder if
Speaker 1: we had solidarity across the globe how that might look,
Speaker 1: you know, if we could organize as well to provide
Speaker 1: each other safety. They're the same. The system that's oppressing
Speaker 1: you is oppressing me. And I just wonder your thoughts
Speaker 1: on what it looks like for us to unite globally
Speaker 1: as the global majority. What might solidarity among all of
Speaker 1: us across the globe look like.
Speaker 11: I tend to think that the knowledge is power. Just
Speaker 11: knowing what happens to you here, what's happening to us
Speaker 11: there in Europe, but also what's happening to people in Brazil,
Speaker 11: for example, is something that really makes us stronger and
Speaker 11: makes us understand how it's you know, it operates globally.
Speaker 11: And also the fact that it's way easier for me
Speaker 11: to speak here in the US than it is in France,
Speaker 11: and I guess that it would be easier for you
Speaker 11: to speak about what's going on in the US in France,
Speaker 11: and here we need to use our privileges to speak
Speaker 11: out about, you know, local situations of people that that
Speaker 11: that the mainstream don't want to see.
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things she said was that when
Speaker 1: Marien La Penn was sentenced, the first people to speak
Speaker 1: out about it donald Trump and other dictators around the
Speaker 1: country and how, uh, you know, as black folks in
Speaker 1: in Paris, how they're looking at America versus how America
Speaker 1: has looked at everyone else. It was really a fascinating conversation.
Speaker 1: I told her. Angela's like, you're like the Angela Riah
Speaker 1: Paris because she's well known, you know, people stop her.
Speaker 1: And she was like, I consider that such a huge compliment,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, it was really sweet. And
Speaker 1: they haven't I've been trying to We were in Paris
Speaker 1: and she wasn't there, but I've been trying to make
Speaker 1: sure that she met our cohort. But you can hear
Speaker 1: more of that at Contraband camp. I did that were my.
Speaker 2: Father that it was such a It was acknowledgement that
Speaker 2: you can get an audience and reach people in France
Speaker 2: when she camp and similarly when she's in the US. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it goes back to that old saying it's hard to
Speaker 2: be a profit in your own land and that you
Speaker 2: know you'll get underminded where you are, but you go
Speaker 2: somewhere else in your genius, expert but right where you are,
Speaker 2: right where you're doing the work, is all the undermining
Speaker 2: your question though, around what might solidarity and sort of
Speaker 2: shared pain struggle overcoming relief look like if the folks
Speaker 2: who are oppressed around the country were to find solidarity
Speaker 2: with each other. And I think I understood her point
Speaker 2: to be basically, wherever you are, continue to activate, share
Speaker 2: those stories because we all get power from that. And
Speaker 2: maybe it's not us exporting ourselves to some remote island,
Speaker 2: but rather changing the systems, upending the systems. And then
Speaker 2: the people who you know, we're the proprieties previously are
Speaker 2: the ones who are like, we got to get someplace,
Speaker 2: we got to go. Shouldn't say that, But I understood
Speaker 2: it to be uniformity in our fight, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: that we turn the tables and we win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of you and it's not I've noticed
Speaker 1: Sixty Minutes did a great piece this week on people
Speaker 1: leaving the United States because they've studied special areas of
Speaker 1: expertise in the medical community that are no longer supported
Speaker 1: by the NHS, and so now they are taking their talent.
Speaker 1: So we are making it harder for it. Take that excisely,
Speaker 1: we are making it harder for immigrants to come to
Speaker 1: this country who contribute to our economy and to our
Speaker 1: you know, intellectual capabilities at large, and we are sending
Speaker 1: our brightest away, and we are home growing a lot
Speaker 1: of domestic terrorists in my opinions, who prioritize white man
Speaker 1: rule and who who lack any sort of curiosity about people.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just a dangerous time and
Speaker 1: I don't know what tomorrow brings. So in the midst
Speaker 1: of all, well, I was just gonna say, and in
Speaker 1: the midst of all that we have to find pockets.
Speaker 5: Of joy on the other side of this break.
Speaker 2: That's when we'll get into what Angela has been out
Speaker 2: there listening, seeing, hearing and giving on the set of
Speaker 2: the People Tour.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned, We'll be right back, Angela.
Speaker 1: I did want to tell you, I know because you
Speaker 1: have to go, but I did want to tell you
Speaker 1: a lot of the comments last week were of great concern,
Speaker 1: and they're like Angela's in her voice, and Andrew don't
Speaker 1: call them Angela, and is she getting rest? So I
Speaker 1: think people just want to hear how you're doing and
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about the tour where you're
Speaker 1: heading next to anything about that, Well, I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: Saint Mark ami Zion Church in Durham, North Carolinas. Uh,
Speaker 1: the ami Zions are different, but sure we can show
Speaker 1: you the Zion. Yes, Ammi's and the Kojis are actually
Speaker 1: official official partners on the tour.
Speaker 6: This has been incredible.
Speaker 8: In Durham, we had a meeting, a town hall meeting
Speaker 8: in another am church, Saint Joseph's right by North Carolina
Speaker 8: Central yesterday. This is also right by North Carolina Central.
Speaker 8: What was fascinating about that conversation as we were sitting
Speaker 8: there at a church that was established in eighteen sixty
Speaker 8: nine and so they're used to doing this kind of
Speaker 8: organizing work around our freedom and our liberation. There was
Speaker 8: going to be a setup where the moderator asked the
Speaker 8: questions for the audience, and instead, as you all know,
Speaker 8: we always choose to hear directly from the folks. What's
Speaker 8: your name and where are you from? I walk with
Speaker 8: the mike and we had this brother, his name is Bradford.
Speaker 8: Shout out to Bradford talked about black folks not knowing
Speaker 8: what time it is really talked about, like developing his
Speaker 8: own alkaline water plant, talked about the ways in which
Speaker 8: he farms. I'm gonna visit his farm Thursday morning before
Speaker 8: I I'm changing my stuff so i can go to this.
Speaker 6: Farm Thursday morning.
Speaker 8: And what he said was there are certain things we
Speaker 8: need to get in place for the times ahead. And
Speaker 8: what I'm thinking about is the fact that if this
Speaker 8: timeline that is projected. There's a CNBC article that came
Speaker 8: out that's talking about if the tariffs are to have
Speaker 8: the economic impact that is suspected, there will be goods,
Speaker 8: significant amount of goods not on shelves in May, just
Speaker 8: in a couple of weeks. So if we don't know
Speaker 8: what time it is now, and we can't come together
Speaker 8: during the state of the People power toward to determine
Speaker 8: how we will take care of ourselves in this moment,
Speaker 8: I don't know what we're gonna do, but Bradford's assignment
Speaker 8: is to give us the top five things that black
Speaker 8: people need to do to hunker down and survive in
Speaker 8: this moment. I think that the shelves will look like
Speaker 8: they did during COVID. I think that we will have
Speaker 8: the same type of water shortage as paper towels toilet
Speaker 8: paper that we do that we did during COVID and
Speaker 8: it's again based on the cnbcpiece. I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 8: that we actually get it as a link for our audience.
Speaker 8: But Apollo Global Management put out a report about this,
Speaker 8: and I think that we should look into it. The
Speaker 8: other thing that I was going to say is we
Speaker 8: will be well when y'all hear this podcast, either we
Speaker 8: will be in Birmingham or having just left Birmingham. Over
Speaker 8: the weekend, We're going everywhere from New Orleans to Louisville,
Speaker 8: to Los Angeles to Detroit, and we asked that you
Speaker 8: sign on. If you can't sign on, watch the live stream.
Speaker 8: Watch the live stream from Atlanta this past weekend. It
Speaker 8: was incredible and the energy just feels so good.
Speaker 6: I also just.
Speaker 8: Want to shout out our research producer Lolo, because life
Speaker 8: still lives, and human beings, even on this tour a
Speaker 8: still having a very human experience. Lolo lost her cousins
Speaker 8: over the weekend and a tragic car acit in and
Speaker 8: I'm saying that to say that our first priority on
Speaker 8: this tour is not pushing policy or chastising people for
Speaker 8: what they did or didn't do. It's about taking care
Speaker 8: of the human being first. So we have to first
Speaker 8: ask each other, even on this podcast, what do you need?
Speaker 8: What do you need? Are you okay? And wait and
Speaker 8: listen for the answer and see if it's the need
Speaker 8: that you can solve. Whether you're a listener or you're
Speaker 8: a host, you're a producer, what do you need? We
Speaker 8: get so short with each other. I was mad at
Speaker 8: Nick earlier today, but I.
Speaker 6: Was like, put me in the game, coach, what are
Speaker 6: we doing? Like I want to hear what Tiffany Andrew
Speaker 6: are saying. I want to come in here some abo uh.
Speaker 8: But I think that even in that, like we're such
Speaker 8: in a rush to give people information, we can't run
Speaker 8: over the humans that help us pull this off every
Speaker 8: single week. So I love y'all. I appreciate your patience
Speaker 8: with me and my voice during this time. I hope
Speaker 8: it comes back. If not, I'm just going to be
Speaker 8: a ruspie raspet.
Speaker 6: Donkey voice.
Speaker 3: In the church and church the past.
Speaker 6: I was saying, raspy asking question.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Ray asking questions.
Speaker 8: For a little while, but just praying that it comes back,
Speaker 8: because it's really annoying. I like that boy anyway, I
Speaker 8: want to I just woke up all day.
Speaker 6: I woke I like it.
Speaker 1: I want to know more about the guy when you
Speaker 1: go to the farm, if you can take video that
Speaker 1: maybe we can share if he's comfortable, Because I'm telling
Speaker 1: y'all that's what I want right now, Like how what
Speaker 1: do you need? How canna be?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 1: And if this dude is like, what do we need?
Speaker 1: And he got well water and he's like, let's build community.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly becauseated oh I thought he had will okay,
Speaker 1: Because I mean there is something. There is something to that,
Speaker 1: to us growing our own food, you know, as the
Speaker 1: FDA is falling apart, there is something as we used
Speaker 1: to there's something to us building community. And when I
Speaker 1: say building community, I don't mean in the abstract way.
Speaker 1: I mean literally building homes in areas close to each
Speaker 1: other where we can be there for each other and
Speaker 1: have our own you know, marketplace with each other, recreating
Speaker 1: what used to exist, you know, the nineteenth right in
Speaker 1: the early part of the nineteenth century.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 1: And later and I just means that they destroyed it all,
Speaker 1: you know, So the Red Summer.
Speaker 2: And the only reason why I say later is because
Speaker 2: some folks may think we had to be here during
Speaker 2: slave day, you know, enslavement periods to have known what
Speaker 2: it felt like to grow your own.
Speaker 5: That's not sure, and it doesn't take all that.
Speaker 2: I mean, as a kid, I have very vivid memories
Speaker 2: of in the backyard picking lettuce, picking collar greens, shelling.
Speaker 5: I mean, we grew every kind of fruit.
Speaker 2: Now I lived in Miami at that point, but my
Speaker 2: grandmother and grandfather taught us that we fished for you know,
Speaker 2: for fish, we had chickens, for poultry. I mean there
Speaker 2: was we didn't have to rely on it, but we
Speaker 2: still grew it, we still planted it, we still picked it.
Speaker 3: And I did that as a kid.
Speaker 2: And so it shouldn't feel so remote and like another
Speaker 2: worldish for folks to think about. Tiff, the kind of
Speaker 2: I think beloved community that you described where we where
Speaker 2: we do rely on and take care of ourselves. And
Speaker 2: Angela to your earlier point around shells being empty, you
Speaker 2: had the CEOs of Walmart, you had major sort of
Speaker 2: leaders of industry in the retail space. Get down to
Speaker 2: the White House and say, mister President, I want to
Speaker 2: predict for you that we're going to have empty shells.
Speaker 3: There will be shells that.
Speaker 2: Are empty in this country if the tears stay as
Speaker 2: they are. So it is if it happens, y'all, it
Speaker 2: ain't because they didn't know about it, which out to
Speaker 2: send us really spiraling in concern. If it happens, it's
Speaker 2: not because the government didn't know.
Speaker 1: Can I just tell y'all where I go on this weekend?
Speaker 1: I am headed back to Michael Harriet's house.
Speaker 3: I love speaking just what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: This man could build a whole community on his property.
Speaker 1: He I won't say exactly where he lives, but he
Speaker 1: in the backwoods somewhere like completely mostly off the grid,
Speaker 1: but got acres on acres on acres, and it is
Speaker 1: it looks like a museum the way that he has
Speaker 1: constructed his house. It's a former plantation. The slave quarters
Speaker 1: are still he like fixed them up, and his mother
Speaker 1: in law lives and he got his mom in law
Speaker 1: living in the slave quarters. But it's like a beautiful
Speaker 1: it's like a four bedroom house. Its beautiful. But it's
Speaker 1: just such a great place to write and research and read.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's such a historian and an intellectual person.
Speaker 1: Just to have conversation with him and his wife, who's
Speaker 1: amazing too. So I'm going back there for the for
Speaker 1: a little while to write, read and research and just connect,
Speaker 1: but also explore what it looks like. That's why when
Speaker 1: Angela said that, I perked up, like, wait, he got
Speaker 1: a farm. He's doing what. I really would love for
Speaker 1: us to get back to that. And I think with
Speaker 1: the what we're going, it might be.
Speaker 3: It might be.
Speaker 1: Angela, if you said, like, I'm gonna buy property in
Speaker 1: Mississippi and I'm thinking of just being If you said
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy property in Mississippi'm gonna be a pioneer
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna buy some property in Mississippi and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna build up this place who down, I promise you
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what, I'm open to that. Andrew.
Speaker 1: If you're like, I'm getting acres, if you say Florida,
Speaker 1: I mean I would be completely open to that because
Speaker 1: I think that's what the ancestors did for us when
Speaker 1: they did the Great migration North. It might be time.
Speaker 3: Come on and talk about I mean.
Speaker 8: Have farmers we have like acre Boys. There's a group
Speaker 8: called acre Boys. I can't remember if I told you
Speaker 8: on this show. The Acre Boys came to the Atlanta Step.
Speaker 8: They're giving away an acre of land during our tour.
Speaker 8: They're giving away an acre of land. They want to
Speaker 8: give away more, but they need sponsors to buy it.
Speaker 8: They wanted to give away an acre in every stop.
Speaker 1: That would be great guests. If they would make great guests.
Speaker 8: They would love to come on here. Let's have them
Speaker 8: on next week, love to they would love to come
Speaker 8: on there. In fact, they already have a show. A
Speaker 8: lot of people followed them. They did a workshop that
Speaker 8: was packed telling people about how to acquire land in
Speaker 8: the process.
Speaker 6: Super good, so they would love to do that.
Speaker 2: I think we should also couple doctor Kanisihah Grant and
Speaker 2: some of the others who are extensibly extensively on this
Speaker 2: on the great migration and what it would take for
Speaker 2: reversal migration in some places where I mean, Mississippi, ain't
Speaker 2: that far from folks becoming a majority, from the people
Speaker 2: of color becoming a majority, and yet it's a state
Speaker 2: that is almost fiftieth out of fiftieth and nearly everything
Speaker 2: because of their refusal to invest in our people, our community,
Speaker 2: and they failed to realize that a rising tide really
Speaker 2: does lift all boats. You invest in this group of people,
Speaker 2: all y'all gonna make money. It may not even be
Speaker 2: our attention. It just happens to happen that way when
Speaker 2: you do it the right way. But they're not they're
Speaker 2: not committed to that. But I think that'd be a
Speaker 2: fascinating conversation to began, because most people think it's just
Speaker 2: out of touch and out of reach, and I think
Speaker 2: they need to hear and feel some real examples of
Speaker 2: where as possible.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: Well, I know Angela has to go. She's going to
Speaker 1: lead a workshop. You are headed to North Carolina, Alabama.
Speaker 8: In North Carolina, we go to Birmingham next. So we
Speaker 8: have a rally tonight based on when this is recorded
Speaker 8: and we have Birmingham of next.
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Speaker 1: So that wraps our show for today. We had we
Speaker 1: covered a lot had some technical difficulty. Shout out to you, Nick,
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