WEBVTT - Democracy Left on Read

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<v Speaker 1>Native lamb Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Recent Choice Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. It's episode seventy seven of Native

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<v Speaker 1>lamp Pot where we give it to you straight notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Chase there, I am your host, Tiffany Cross. Here was

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<v Speaker 1>my co host, Angela Rii and Andrew Gillham. We'll come

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<v Speaker 1>in here with Angela Rai, right, Andrew. Welcome home, y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I allowed to talk now?

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<v Speaker 4>Can I speak?

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<v Speaker 1>And Angela has not joined us yet, but she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to join us in the show. As you all know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's on the road for State of the People tour

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<v Speaker 1>this week, and I know a lot of you all

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<v Speaker 1>have been shouting out Angela and looking for her. So

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<v Speaker 1>she is going to join us momentarily on this week's show.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's me and Andrew getting it started for now.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>Andrew getting it going?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good? Since I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why I say can I talk now? Is,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all you probably already know this if.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a listener.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always trampling over by colleagues when they're in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of a thought if you take a second, I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, they don't experience that, to be honest

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<v Speaker 1>with you. But the comments are all over the place

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes the comments are like, oh my god, can

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew get a word in? And then other comments are

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<v Speaker 1>like Andrew, stop interrupting. So I feel like it's easier

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<v Speaker 1>when we're all together in person, you know, recording remotely,

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<v Speaker 1>you're always like, oh, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So, thanks for you're you're stumbling and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like I do it more more than

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<v Speaker 2>I should, and certainly more than I mean to.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>I value the words of my colleagues, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>we do this together.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so into what you have to say, so

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<v Speaker 1>and don't listen to Andrew because he knows that. And

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<v Speaker 1>when we're together we are like this. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>like personal things to talk to Andrew about, professional things,

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<v Speaker 1>political things.

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<v Speaker 3>We can talk for paywall.

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<v Speaker 2>I will put up some of the videos I've been

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<v Speaker 2>in charge before, behind the scenes, and I love to

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<v Speaker 2>just unveil some of that behind the scenes tiff that everybody's.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was thinking we delve a little into your

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<v Speaker 2>dating life and just update the.

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<v Speaker 3>People on.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we don't even have enough one.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe babe babee, I have to pick that one up.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not. We're not substitute of Shannon Sharp.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand the innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe me, I understand me, I understand.

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<v Speaker 6>Break if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Want do you want to? I mean, we could go there,

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<v Speaker 3>but maybe not for the break of the heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there might be the break of the wallet, which

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<v Speaker 2>is this fifty thousand current government civil servant positions that

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<v Speaker 2>exist around the country in service to the American people

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<v Speaker 2>in the administration, this administration, if you recall we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about Project twenty twenty five and the whole loyalty to

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. Well, we're a step closer to getting it

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<v Speaker 2>after the executive order that Donald Trump signed this month

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<v Speaker 2>in April, frankly giving him the power to transition fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand civil servant positions into political positions that would be

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<v Speaker 2>appointed by the president and will work in service to

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<v Speaker 2>that individual, which is a huge departure.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to hear from Angela what she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about and right on time, Angela is joining us. So, Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>what you got?

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<v Speaker 7>So?

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<v Speaker 8>I want to talk about potential empty shelves as early

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<v Speaker 8>as May as a result of these tariffs, and if

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<v Speaker 8>there's time, I definitely want to talk about the strategy

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<v Speaker 8>on doing sit ins at the Capitol that are also

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<v Speaker 8>teachings and whether or not that's the most effective way

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<v Speaker 8>to reach and motialize our folks right now, So we'll

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<v Speaker 8>see what we have time for.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell folks you've settled and you are about

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<v Speaker 2>to do beyond the the people tour? We know that,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we can get an update on how things

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<v Speaker 2>went earlier this weekend and then as we progress forward

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<v Speaker 2>where people can pick up the tour.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so I answer, what's your topic? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about that. A lot of what

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<v Speaker 1>we're witnessing happening here in America is casting a very

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<v Speaker 1>dark chattel across the globe. I got a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>speak with French journalist Rikaya Diallo about what she's witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>and really how the rest of the globe is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at America right now. So, and Andrew, you were really

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<v Speaker 1>so well versed and well spoken on foreign policy. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious your thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually want to I want to get into yours.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we saw the election of a new Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>prime minister, Yes, an election that turned on its head,

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<v Speaker 2>frankly on the words of Donald Trump. This was a party,

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<v Speaker 2>the more liberal party of the Canadian government, trust Justin Trudeau,

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<v Speaker 2>the previous who is that is?

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<v Speaker 1>So do y'all see why we yell at Andrew?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody has somebody has gotten into my computer and my phones.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's get into Yeah, the global stuff is interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think we should start domestically. So, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have questions for you about the topic that you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get into. So, but we'd also have a

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<v Speaker 1>viewer question. So do you want to get into your

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<v Speaker 1>topic or do you want to hear from the viewer first?

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<v Speaker 2>I would you know you have prioritized hearing from viewers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love to hear from viewers. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>during a mini pod we did a little while back,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it was in the main episode, we had

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<v Speaker 2>solicited feedback around whether or not we should platform sort

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<v Speaker 2>of conservative guest conservative.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell, yeah, I would love to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear again some of the continuing rolling feedback we've been

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<v Speaker 2>getting from people on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do that, all right, producer.

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<v Speaker 9>Nick journalists broadcast journalists lived in LA And the reason

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<v Speaker 9>why you guys needed you interviews is.

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<v Speaker 7>The episode you just had about the breakdown of the

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<v Speaker 7>exit polls and why some black.

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<v Speaker 6>Folks voted for Trump.

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<v Speaker 7>It's exactly why you need to interview.

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<v Speaker 9>It's amazing, the amazing conversation. Okay, you need to hear more.

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<v Speaker 7>It's cool to hear you guys talk manner, go back

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<v Speaker 7>and forth, but you need other voices on your show

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<v Speaker 7>that can challenge you guys and also bring the different

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<v Speaker 7>perspective and expertise. So that's my two cents. Keep it up,

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<v Speaker 7>by bye.

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<v Speaker 10>As far as the opposition of voices go, I mean,

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<v Speaker 10>I get, you know, it's always good to hear like

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<v Speaker 10>a well rounded amount of people speaking. But I think

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<v Speaker 10>the criteria should be, like, you know, if you maybe

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<v Speaker 10>like if you're not a reparationist, you know, reparations in

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<v Speaker 10>some form, like if you don't believe that black folks

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<v Speaker 10>are owed anything for being the financial backbone of this

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<v Speaker 10>country before the Industrial Revolution. I think that should be

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<v Speaker 10>the criteria and not let people on but I digress.

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<v Speaker 10>Hope to see y'all soon and happy to be welcomed home.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that, brother, welcome home.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, you know, these are two comments that obviously over

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks that we hadn't gotten a chance to.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, thank you guys for taking the

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<v Speaker 1>time to record your thoughts, your comments, your questions, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to encourage all of our listeners and viewers

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<v Speaker 1>out there to do the same. We say welcome home

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<v Speaker 1>with intention because this is our platform as much as

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<v Speaker 1>it's your platform, and we want this to be an

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<v Speaker 1>open discourse and open dialogue, the discussion that we have

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<v Speaker 1>with community to understand our fellow countrymen, and for our

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<v Speaker 1>fellow countrymen to weigh in as well. So this show

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<v Speaker 1>may center three black voices, it is not exclusively four

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<v Speaker 1>black voices. That is for everyone to listen and comment

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<v Speaker 1>and weigh in, and all power to all the people

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. So having said that, Andrew, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start with this idea with the first guy who

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<v Speaker 1>said he was a journalist. I'm curious he says he's

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<v Speaker 1>a broadcast journalist, so you know that's a man after

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<v Speaker 1>my own heart. I'm curious what uh, what outlet he's

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<v Speaker 1>with and what he does. But this is because I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to look at everything through the journalist lens, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just what I do professionally, it really is

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<v Speaker 1>who I am. Like you, people can say you're a politician,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not just what you do. It's who you are

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of having a an endless appetite for understanding

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<v Speaker 1>how this world and society functions, but also wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>live in service to people. It is very much who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. It's what you do professionally, but it's who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. I feel the same way about journalism. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the frightening thing when he says, oh, to understand

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<v Speaker 1>why these you know, black people voted Trump? I think

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a difference between having curiosity about something and

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual curiosity, So yes, I too was curious about why

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<v Speaker 1>was there small sects of black men who seem to

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<v Speaker 1>have peeled off and voted for Trump. They were not

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<v Speaker 1>a large enough demographic to really represent community, but certainly

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<v Speaker 1>they are my community, and I care about them enough

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<v Speaker 1>to care. When you have intellectual curiosity, how you might

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<v Speaker 1>satisfy that is. I'm a reader, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>read on everything starting from one hundred years ago. When

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<v Speaker 1>did these two parties start to shift? When did the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat and Republican Party start to enterchage? Because you hear

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<v Speaker 1>people all the time it was Republicans who freed the slaves,

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<v Speaker 1>that ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Question that people like.

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<v Speaker 5>To know, right yeah, and then a moment exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Precisely, then I want to read about the new deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take myself through the decades and see well,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I hear them saying economic policy, So let

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<v Speaker 1>me look at their economic policy. What is the MAGA

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<v Speaker 1>group offering that might be appealing to these men? Then

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<v Speaker 1>let me look at projects twenty twenty five. What are

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they're talking about. Then let me look

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<v Speaker 1>at some of this sounds on my own. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to present this to our audience on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to decipher all of these things as a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>When I have a well rounded understanding, I can wrap

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<v Speaker 1>my arms around this fully. Only then can I responsibly

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<v Speaker 1>put this before the one hundred thousand plus people who

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<v Speaker 1>listen to our platform. I am not, as a journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>going to irresponsibly because I have my own I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what it is put that before an audience.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have a responsibility to first satisfy my

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<v Speaker 1>own intellectual curiosity privately and responsibly, So I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that my immediate instinct would be some rando. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>want to vote for Trump, let me interview him. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the legacy media do that and they will have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no Diemanu ras U OFCNN, But I saw

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<v Speaker 1>him interviewing a woman and she was saying, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>like Kamala Harris, and I, you know, could vote for her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure if the country is ready for

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<v Speaker 1>that type of candidate, and he just kind of let

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<v Speaker 1>it go. And I'm thinking, well, you're the reporter, what

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<v Speaker 1>type of can I knew that she was saying, but

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<v Speaker 1>you ask your reporter what exactly is she saying? Or

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<v Speaker 1>as people, are you a registered voter? Have you ever voted?

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<v Speaker 1>When you say you love Trump's policy? What policy specifically?

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<v Speaker 1>Talk us through that and you don't see enough of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you are well informed, you can have that

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<v Speaker 1>that type of intellectual exchange. So I'm not so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to put people like that to platform people like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I have other thoughts, but I want to hear hear

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, because I think the media just.

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<v Speaker 2>As follow up to what you just said, as as

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<v Speaker 2>in your in your with your journalism hat, and as

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<v Speaker 2>a person who has done streak interviews as well as

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<v Speaker 2>anchor chair interviews, over your over your your storied.

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<v Speaker 3>Work life before, have you ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Been in the position where you're interviewing, let's just say,

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<v Speaker 2>a LA person, regular, you know, folks on the street,

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<v Speaker 2>and your mind is telling you, I know I should

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<v Speaker 2>follow up, but I don't want to put this person

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<v Speaker 2>on the spot ever, and so you've pulled back, always

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<v Speaker 2>gone all the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go. It's my responsibility. My responsibility is

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<v Speaker 1>always to the audience, to the viewers, even when we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking and you know, obviously I know what the DLJ

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<v Speaker 1>is or you know, I know what the CBO is,

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<v Speaker 1>but my responsibility is always to the people listening and watching,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm always you know, let's stop for a

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<v Speaker 1>second and let's explain this. And the reason is I

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<v Speaker 1>remember consuming news sure, and it felt like, well, they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying all these acronyms that I don't really understand because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't always. I remember being nineteen trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>in this industry and it felt like not only were

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<v Speaker 1>they not talking to me, sometimes they were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>me with me as an audience, and there was no

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<v Speaker 1>one who looked like me, no one providing proper context,

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<v Speaker 1>no one who thought I was worthy of saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me explain the function. What does the United Nations do?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the America's role in it? You know, why

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<v Speaker 1>is it based in New York? What is the DLJ function? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>We just don't take time to explain that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why you see a real drop off

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<v Speaker 1>in legacy media. And it just, I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like a bunch of For so long, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of white folks sitting around talking about things

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't understand, and it almost felt intentional that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to keep this high bar, and especially because

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<v Speaker 1>we were so kept out of the political process until

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<v Speaker 1>the mid sixties, and it just felt like, wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>want your audience to understand, wouldn't it helped you to

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<v Speaker 1>stop and take thirty seconds. I tried to do that

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<v Speaker 1>on my show. But I'll tell you my frustration, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>because you and I have both done the cable news circuit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I have this, as do you.

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<v Speaker 1>We have this breast of knowledge that we can talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>I question people who describe themselves as an intellectual. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not describe myself as an intellectual. I don't consider

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<v Speaker 1>myself an intellectual, but I do have curious.

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<v Speaker 3>Think intellectuals who are true say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an intellectual exactly exactly what I have is a

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<v Speaker 1>very hungry appetite for information. And so I do like

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<v Speaker 1>talking to people who I consider intellectuals, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>respectfully consider you an intellectual. I know you may not

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<v Speaker 1>describe yourself that way, but I do.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I think we acknowledge is

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<v Speaker 2>that all of us sort of enter this conversation not

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<v Speaker 2>putting a head on of oh, well, I'm a journalist

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<v Speaker 2>this moment, or I'm a public servant this moment, or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an activist leader you know, of movement this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're indivisible and who we are is who we are,

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<v Speaker 2>and we may be able to, you know, chill a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more in this setting, or be more amped

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<v Speaker 2>up in this setting, but as a person, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>putting on masks regarding the fields that we've chosen. We are,

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<v Speaker 2>We're settled into that, into that existence, and that existence

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<v Speaker 2>shows up wherever we show up. And in that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Van Tiffany you were saying, how as an

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<v Speaker 2>observer of in a real student of information, as a journalist,

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes you felt like journalists were deliberately having conversations

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<v Speaker 2>over your head as a viewer. And I got to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, I think it's probably true in every field

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<v Speaker 2>and in every industry. I give examples sometimes around politicians

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<v Speaker 2>who say, this is just more complicated than what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, that's just a little harder, And that really

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<v Speaker 2>generally is a way a tool I think people use

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<v Speaker 2>to protect themselves as a shield frankly within their comfort place.

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<v Speaker 3>This room is for journalists.

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<v Speaker 2>You must be credentialed in this way and a little

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<v Speaker 2>to partique in this conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>And in truth media.

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<v Speaker 2>Information right now was so democratized you can get it

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<v Speaker 2>from anywhere anyhow, confirmed, not confirmed, rumor meal however you

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<v Speaker 2>want it. And so there's been a bit of a breakdown.

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<v Speaker 2>But generally, I think people use what they have is information,

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<v Speaker 2>the work that they do in a lot of ways

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<v Speaker 2>as a cudgel to beat other people back from it

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<v Speaker 2>and to protect that space for this sort of sacred

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<v Speaker 2>group elected media, even I would say, organizers and leaders

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<v Speaker 2>of movement, even in some ways move in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and none of us are served by it. So to

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<v Speaker 2>the point I understood the first respondent that we had

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<v Speaker 2>who mentioned we need them more round it, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, you may not hear me articulate the

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<v Speaker 2>positions of the right, but I fully understand because similar

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<v Speaker 2>to what you laid out, Tiffany, we've read and vetted

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<v Speaker 2>through what's real and what isn't about this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>and made it make sense for ourselves. And now what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you is my hard earned position with a

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<v Speaker 2>complete understanding of what the other side happens to be selling.

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<v Speaker 3>Take Project twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>They wrote it out for all of us to read,

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<v Speaker 2>to see, to understand, to comprehend.

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<v Speaker 5>When they talked about loyalty, oaths.

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<v Speaker 2>And hiring people into this government who are fied down

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<v Speaker 2>to one man, I knew what that was. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>sign up for that, and that isn't what a democracy is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not a culture personality as a democracy, and democracies

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<v Speaker 2>were built to protect the minority, not to trounce over

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<v Speaker 2>the minority. So I may not be articulating that in

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<v Speaker 2>probably twenty five they said X, Y, and Z, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what they believe and where it comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've consumed that and the deciding of where it

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<v Speaker 2>is that I come down on any particular position. My

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<v Speaker 2>thing about conservative guests, and I don't have an opposition

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<v Speaker 2>at all to conservative guests, But you can't just be

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<v Speaker 2>out here spewing something that sounds different than maybe what

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting from the three of us and automatically that

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<v Speaker 2>that is a conversation that I ought to be platformed.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you, I got a relative who,

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<v Speaker 2>in many ways can be described in some ways as

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the He's going to be the opposite side

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<v Speaker 2>of the coin that anybody else is on. If the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the room is on this one, he's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>going to be contraran and on the other side. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember as a youngster and school thinking like you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about welfare people and people's you know, government giving

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<v Speaker 2>away da da da da. And I can't think of

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<v Speaker 2>a day I've ever encountered y'all. W well, y'all haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been on the take, well you have, you know, been

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<v Speaker 2>the ones getting and receiving, and yet we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>like entertain this conversation. I remember getting to the point

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<v Speaker 2>as a young person saying, I'm not even gonna engage anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because it doesn't make sense. I can't believe that you

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<v Speaker 2>believe what you're saying. And I feel that way about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of conservative activists that we hear these days,

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's an acting happening, and that what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting is this mask of like, oh high its bidder

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<v Speaker 2>is where I'm at, and this is their positions and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm spewing it now versus a real deep sense that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting the honest truth about what you feel, what

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<v Speaker 2>you think, and why you hold that position.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll pick up on the rests after this next breaks.

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<v Speaker 4>They turned.

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<v Speaker 6>TI.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Angela, I'm really curious whether or not how

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<v Speaker 2>you've processed through. I think the audience probably knows well

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<v Speaker 2>that you've been an advocate for you know, having diverse voices,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lifted up so that we can understand folks better.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious what vet do you put on, what

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like, and how we make sure that conversation

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<v Speaker 2>when we have them, are really valuable ones that promote growth.

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<v Speaker 8>So I I don't know that I agree that there

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<v Speaker 8>has to be a bar. Maybe the bar is that

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<v Speaker 8>you don't lie on black people. Maybe the bar is

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<v Speaker 8>that you're not super insulting and disrespectful to us. Maybe

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<v Speaker 8>somebody has some really interesting reason for why they don't

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<v Speaker 8>support reparations. If we if reparation, being a reparationist is

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<v Speaker 8>the criteria. There are black people who many of our

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<v Speaker 8>folks have voted for, who when they get out publicly,

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<v Speaker 8>don't say they support reparations. Some of them have never

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<v Speaker 8>signed on to HR forty in the House. That's the bar.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a lot of black folks who won't be able

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<v Speaker 8>to be included. I'd rather take the position of and

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<v Speaker 8>this I think goes back to conversations we've had in

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<v Speaker 8>the past tip about convincing. I would rather have them

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<v Speaker 8>on the platform to try to convince them, or at

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<v Speaker 8>least try to understand why would they not support making

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<v Speaker 8>sure that black people are put on equal footing. So

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure there's a crisiia that can be developed. There's

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<v Speaker 8>probably an audience member that has already done some of that.

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<v Speaker 8>When we're learning, certainly on this tour is that people

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<v Speaker 8>are doing a lot of work. Folks just don't know

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<v Speaker 8>about it. So maybe if you have that set of Crisier,

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<v Speaker 8>you could send it over to us to our Instagram

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<v Speaker 8>at Native Lampot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things I fear a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too is I think we've developed an honest exchange

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<v Speaker 2>with each other, and I think we've done so far

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<v Speaker 2>with the guests that we have had, you know, had

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<v Speaker 2>an honest exchange. Granted there's not been a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>points of departure on probably the big theme issues. But

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<v Speaker 2>my fear is is that I would hate for us

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<v Speaker 2>to have, you know, the relationship with our audience is

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<v Speaker 2>having this discourse and then we basically have propaganda sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sprinkled and that doesn't end up being a really

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<v Speaker 2>true leveled conversation, but more of like here are my

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<v Speaker 2>talking points, and then here is what I think our

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my side stands for, and then here are

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<v Speaker 2>the if there's a way to be you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>us to get beneath in our conversations. And I felt

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<v Speaker 2>this way about Cable News Angela. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it ever hit you this way, you know, when we

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<v Speaker 2>would be invited on as guests of this show or

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<v Speaker 2>this show. It's like, I'm having this conversation that I

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<v Speaker 2>think is a conversation and I'm earnestly, you know, turning

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<v Speaker 2>to Kevin Jennings or you know, or or whomever, and

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<v Speaker 2>that we may be making away with each other, but

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<v Speaker 2>in truth, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hadn't heard a damn thing I've said.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that you just spewed out had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the conversation that we're on. But maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>got a point across, you know, for your side, And

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<v Speaker 2>to me, those are just so disrespectful to the viewership

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<v Speaker 2>the listenership that that we would we would insult you

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<v Speaker 2>enough with a propaganda fest over leveling.

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<v Speaker 3>This thing so that we can have a real discourse.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I think no answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just I think that's why this platform is important,

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<v Speaker 1>because the three of us can have a deeper, more

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<v Speaker 1>nuanced discussion. We have such a breath of knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>expertise coming from three very different backgrounds and areas where

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<v Speaker 1>we can get into that, you know, where we can

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<v Speaker 1>have a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas and ideology. And

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<v Speaker 1>on cable news, it's like everyone is looking for that

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<v Speaker 1>viral moment, and so you know, I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>robbed of the opportunity to actually have deep exchange, to

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<v Speaker 1>actually inform, to actually put things in context, to contextualize

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<v Speaker 1>some of these things. I don't know how you have

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<v Speaker 1>strong opinions about tariffs when you don't understand our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with China, when you don't understand the global supply chain,

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't don't understand the purchasing power of other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you have an informed discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>our national security when you don't understand the global threats

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States and the global threat that the

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<v Speaker 1>United States is to other places. So trying to fit

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<v Speaker 1>things into like sixty seconds and people want that, like

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<v Speaker 1>I went off on you and then it went viral

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<v Speaker 1>and now we all going all over the place. It

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<v Speaker 1>just feels so reductionist to the moment we're in and

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<v Speaker 1>here at least we get to, you know, deeply explore

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<v Speaker 1>some things. And what I notice about our audience, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so appreciative, is there's rarely ever been where our

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<v Speaker 1>audience is. I agree whole heartily with Angela, I agree

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>whole heartily with Sippy. I agree whole heartly with Andrew.

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.440
<v Speaker 1>There is always a pretty even collection of people who

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>agree with us in each way. But even the people

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 1>who may vehemently disagree with something I said, they always

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.119
<v Speaker 1>close with but I love tim. If they disagree with Angela,

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:56.679
<v Speaker 1>they're like, girl, I don't know about that, but you know,

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.199
<v Speaker 1>I love you, or like Andrew, you drive me crazy,

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>you got it wrong, but I love you like it

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 1>is a discussion in love. And that just feels so

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 1>much better to me than platforming some of these you know,

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>half witted people who are just there to regurgitate Donald

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Trump's nutsack. Really, at the end of the day, you know,

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like, just stop it, you know. And I don't

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>even think it frustrates me to put be put on

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the same level as some of these people. You know,

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.239
<v Speaker 1>it's like we are not on equal footing. Like you

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 1>cannot talk to me about the uties because you don't

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.199
<v Speaker 1>even know who that is. But you want to like

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.399
<v Speaker 1>regurgitate something that you saw on Fox News and you

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. It used to drive me crazy when

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Angela first started doing television, and you know, she worked

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:47.360
<v Speaker 1>on Capitol Hill, been the executive director for a legislative

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>body for the rest of Black Caucus and it's on

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 1>there opposite someone who writes a blog. You know, like,

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>have no clue about it. Angel You were a gubernatorial

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>candidate and you're sitting across from somebody who was a

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>junior press sect on somebody's campaign. It's not They're not

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>like us, you know, it's not the same. So that

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing just just frustrates me. Angela. You were

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:14.919
<v Speaker 1>talking about the state of the tour and we we

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>can we can delete this and we don't want to

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. But I think some of the things

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that you were saying about the tour and some of

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the voices that you wanted to include, to me that

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 1>that was a very meaty discussion because your perspective has

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:37.160
<v Speaker 1>been organizing by addition, not subtraction, and you know, I

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>think that is uh, it's gonna make some people uncomfortable,

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it makes me some of it makes

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>me uncomfortable, But that is like those are the to me,

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 1>that is a more meati conversation too than hearing from

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know that I agree with everything, but

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.479
<v Speaker 1>I just think the point you were making was valid.

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>And so you y'all are saying you just want to

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.439
<v Speaker 1>talk about or just want to talk to people you

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>agree with and talk to the people who agree with us,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's not really organizing. And I think maybe that's

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>what some of the viewers are trying to suggest as well.

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But I just think that's a different level of philosophical

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:19.120
<v Speaker 1>discussion that we get to have here. All right, Well, Andrew,

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I agree, Okay, Andrew.

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 8>I was like, I don't know if you were asking

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 8>me something or disagreeing, but I agree with that for sure.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:31.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Andrew, you wanted to get into the I had

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>questions for you about your topic.

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'll try to tee it up in this

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>smaller way, which is simply to say, we all warned

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>about Project twenty twenty five. We went through, we did

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 2>an episode on it. It is very clear that Russell

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Vogue is one thousand percent committed to his mission, and

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 2>whether people know it or not, this is a person

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk is being sidelined.

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Mind.

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<v Speaker 5>But all the reporting that I have seen, the man

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 5>behind the curtain all the while is still Russell Vogue.

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 5>And so this person who is little known, little advertised,

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 5>little talked about, is deeply censed in the federal and

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 5>knowledge about the federal system. He worked for a US senator,

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.959
<v Speaker 5>he's been a policy director, he's worked in the in

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 5>the in the nuanced details of budgeting of the federal government.

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 5>Which is what frightens me the most about his position

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 5>within this administration and the power that he's ascended to,

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.360
<v Speaker 5>because he's exactly the type of person who knows how

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 5>to bring it all down, to bring it all in.

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 2>If you're committed to that end and you spent the

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 2>time studying and understanding and knowing how to do it,

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it ought to frighten and shake all of us to

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>the court to know that there is that kind of

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>a fox in the hen house. And what I mean

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>about the hen house, I mean the henhouse of democracy.

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 3>The room of.

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>The Constitution, the underbelly of statutes and laws that then

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 2>govern this democracy. This is a person who understands that

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>hook letter verse. And so now we read in Project

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:17.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five about the loyalty oh to the Trump

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 2>administration and they want federal government employees to be mostly

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>fidel to him and not to the Constitution. And so

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>what is about to happen based off of this executive

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>order that the President signed in April. That has now

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>advanced forward and it is expected to be part of

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>a compromise on the budget that the House Speaker is

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>going to lead. Is it will transform what are fifty

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>thousand currently civil service positions. These are people who get

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 2>hired into the government, they work for protect a respective

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>part of the government, and their fidelity ultimately is to

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the Constitution, to the laws of this country to enact

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>what has passed through the Congress and signed by the president. Well,

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>they want to change the those positions so that they're

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 2>no longer equal opportunity positions for anyone who is qualified

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>to apply and.

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Get hired too.

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>You must be loyal to Donald Trump or the president

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 2>if you will, and your job is to enact the

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>agenda of the president without regard to any of those

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>other factors. That's problematic because it's those other factors that

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 2>make what the president does either.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 4>Legal or illegal.

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>And if you, as a person, are able to unilaterally

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>decide that all we do is follow the edicts of

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the President without regard to the law, what's right to

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the codes and statutes of the country, you, in my opinion,

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>are no longer civilly servant to the people you're civilly

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>servant to a man, you are servant to an individual. Well,

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>these fifty thousand positions that are about to be transitioned

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>is just the start of where they ultimately want to

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>go with the over two million federal employees, which is

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>to make them again holy oil, to the individual occupant

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>of the White House. Whereas our democracy has been built

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 2>on and has stood not perfectly because I got my critiques,

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 2>but has stood largely on civil servants who follow the law,

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the constitution and will absolutely disobey in unlawful order. And

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>if we're now changing that to you obey whatever the

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>order is from the commander in chief, from the President

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of the United States, without regard to the other stuff,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>we are well then on the way to fascism because

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 2>to a system of democracy that doesn't look anything like

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>democracy at all, but more like that of a king,

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 2>a dictator, or a tyrant.

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Literally everything you're saying, because we've obviously heard about

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>this before he was actually even elected. And then when

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>he took over, there were employees government employees saying that

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>they were asked about their fealty. Loyalty, said Donald Trump.

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And I just wonder what exactly is that litmus test.

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is just something that we've not seen before.

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think I think people are so tuned out

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>to the extent because we cannot fathom losing rights, you know,

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>like people have never we've never been confronted with the

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>concept of losing rights. And if you are building an army, essentially,

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>if you are supplanting everybody within the federal government to

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>be these loyalists, I mean, that is what you have

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>in Russia with Putin, That's what you have in Turkey

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>with Erdowan, That's what you have. Even in China, I

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>would see, that's what you have in uh uh, the

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the other dictator I can't wake.

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's there's Cuba.

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>We've got it also where we are now exporting American

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>citizens to prisons country exactly where you've got a strong

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>man figure. Everybody's lord to the strong man figure, and

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and lo and behold, there is zero accountability, and then

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>people start to regret the kind of system that then

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>takes hold again. All of these people were elected as populist.

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>First, Yeahan and Turkey, yeah.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, but as pop they were the voice

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of the people. And then they got there and it

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>became very clear that the voice for themselves.

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is that legal? Like I, I don't know that

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the courts are going to hold so I don't know

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>what a law is at this point. But is it

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>legal to create the fifty thousand positions where you have

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to be loyal to not even the executive branch, but

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the president himself? And if not, where does it?

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Who is the person that's going to stand between Donald

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Trump and his building? Essentially an army, a workforce of

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>loyal federal employees.

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>To tivioty is the right question. And unfortunately, the people

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>who would normally be the stop gap the Congress, they've

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>already shown themselves to be head over heels, backless.

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 3>You know exactly exactly.

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>That.

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty frightening when you think about it, And it

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of is the point that I was making around

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this. We are exporting a lot of populism,

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>And it kind of details into Angela what you wanted

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk about with the citizens because I do feel

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>like Congress has been pretty reckless at this point. But

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>curious your thoughts because it's from topic you want to

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>talk about.

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I didn't get a chance to pull sound, but

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 8>there's some really good sound from this past weekend. Members

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 8>of Congress, who including Corey Booker, who a lot of

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 8>folks were so proud of for standing on the Senate

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 8>floor for more than twenty four hours breaking strom Thurman's record.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 8>He was a part of what they were calling. Some

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 8>were calling this, and we're calling a teaching this past

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 8>weekend on Sunday, and so they sat on the steps

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 8>and I'm not gonna lie to y'all. The image that

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 8>I had in my mind was Sesame Street. I don't

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 8>know why I was given Sesame Street vibes, that it

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 8>was given Sesame Street vibes.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 5>The teaching they were teaching, Yeah, maybe.

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 8>But I just it felt a lot softer than his

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 8>initial approach. But the circumstances have gotten so much more severe.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 8>There are a lot of people who come out of

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 8>traditional movement work that really liked what they did, and

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 8>I'm not saying I didn't. And the worst part is,

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 8>I hate to be a person that criticizes the thing,

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 8>and then I don't have the alternative. So I don't

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 8>know what the alternative is. I don't know that it's

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 8>another press conference, I don't know that it's going on

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 8>more shows, and it may be a combination.

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 6>Of all of these things.

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 8>I think that what they're really wrestling with, which is

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 8>something we wrestle with every week too, is cutting through.

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 8>How do you cut through? Why are you talking about

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 8>stuff that nobody understands, or your approach is one that

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 8>nobody appreciates or you know very few people do, or

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 8>you're in that same echo chamber talking to the same

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 8>people you always talk to. What are you going to

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 8>do to stretch yourself out of your comfort zone? Now,

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 8>to be fair, they might have been in comfortable clothes,

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 8>but I think they stretch themselves out of their comfort zone,

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 8>their safe spaces behind a podium, at a press conference,

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 8>on the House floor, you know, debating a bill in

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 8>a committee room, right in a markup or a hearing,

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 8>asking questions to the other side or to a witness.

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 8>So I know they're stretching, but I'm just wondering tactically

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 8>if it was the right thing. I really don't have

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 8>an answer. I have my initial impression and my like,

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 8>I am relentless right now about going to find the one.

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 8>I don't know who the one is, but I feel

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 8>like I'll know them when I see them. To the

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 8>point of losing my voice. It is the person that

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 8>does not ordinarily come to the things that we go to.

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 8>It is the person that you know would find some

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 8>of what we are striving to do uncomfortable. It is

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 8>the person that is like, why are you doing that?

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Like?

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 8>Who cares that person? How do we reach them? Because

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 8>that is the person that won this last election. Maybe

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 8>they won this last election.

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 5>Maybe I'm talking about I stay at home.

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 8>That's who I'm talking about, the apathy, Like numerically they

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 8>won the election, yes, yes, So I'm saying.

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 2>For those who decided the president, there's a different I

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 2>think there's a different equation for the formula of person

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that showed out and decided that Donald Trump should be president.

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 8>Again, I'm not talking about them when I'm saying numerically,

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 8>I'm talking about the one who stayed home, because numerically

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 8>that is who won the election.

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 5>But that isn't who's governing. I guess that's where I

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 5>love to.

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 8>Well kind of because their apathy means that anything goes,

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 8>anything goes as the reason why this man is in

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 8>the White House. So I hear your point, but I'm

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 8>just saying numerically, apathy just the thing that we have

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 8>to reach them or we're going to stay here. And

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 8>staying here is dangerous for all of us. Whether they

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 8>specually chose him, they were apathetic, or they did not

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 8>choose him, we're all suffering the same consequence. So how

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 8>do we reach the apathetic? How do we reach the

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 8>people that said not me, I don't want anything to

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 8>do with this. Maybe they weren't apathetic, Maybe they just

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 8>chose not to participate. I want to find them. I

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 8>am desperately trying to find them.

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Is it possible, though, that what they do with the

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 2>member of Congress did, frankly, should just be one more

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 2>thing that we put on the menu of options that

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>we get to exercise and trying to figure this thing out,

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:59.279
<v Speaker 2>because I sctually think it's everything all at once, all

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 2>the time multiplied.

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 3>That's what I think the pushback is.

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Because Donald Trump has a big footprint, and unfortunately that

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 2>road show that he's got is exactly what traditional cable

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 2>news and even traditional news is apt to follow. It

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>is entertaining by and large for a lot of people

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 2>until the consequences show up at your doorstep. That's how

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 2>we see these videos of people who went out and

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I had a Trump flag, and then I was the

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>first one laid off, and I didn't think it was

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, And I'm thinking, are you kidding me?

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:36.879
<v Speaker 3>So it was gonna be good for everybody else?

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>And you thought everybody else was the person who was

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 2>a slacker on the job that wasn't working and deserved

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>to be fired. But when the slacker on the job

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:44.319
<v Speaker 2>who deserved to be fired showed up to be you,

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>then this was all a bad choice, a bad decision.

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>And I just I think his appetite for media, not

0:38:53.920 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 2>just consumption but media shaping is so it's so insatiable

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.760
<v Speaker 2>that we're not going to beat him at that game.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 2>But we all to be, we ought to be, in

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, fighting on all alternative platforms as well as

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 2>on the ones that he's on. So I think it's

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>everything all at once, all the time multiplied. That's the strategy.

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's any I think it's a noble

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>effort to talk to apathetic people because there are so

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>many right now. But I just want to crystallize the

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 1>point that I don't think apathy won the election, Like

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the math doesn't support that white people won the election. Overwhelmingly,

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 1>like he drove out the highest voter turnout among white

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>people since black people got the right to vote. The

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>narrative in legacy media has been, you know, people stayed home,

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I just I cannot put the failure

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>in his democracy at our feet. You know, I think

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the overwhelming I didn't say you said that, Angela. I'm

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:06.959
<v Speaker 1>just making my point, but but go ahead.

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 8>No, I just to say, just for clarity, because it

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 8>happens a lot on the show, I did not say that.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 8>So I just want to make sure that is not

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 8>what people take out of this that I'm saying black

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 8>people did it.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 6>I am not.

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, just my own individual point that I'm making

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>independent of anybody else's point is that white people overwhelmingly

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>voted for this man, and they were not confused about it.

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>This whole idea of oh well, I didn't like they

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>knowingly cast a ballot for this man. And to be honest,

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to combat that. I don't know,

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>if you know, if we showed up as fourteen percent

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>of this society overwhelmingly and you know, again, I know

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>people are tired to be sound and hopeless, but like,

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that we have the numbers to change it,

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just starting to feel like, if this is

0:40:54.920 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>what y'all want, then take it. Like I honestly, I like,

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>where can we have peace? Where can we have reprieve?

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Where can we live? You know, It's like the jay

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Z line, can I live? If this is what you

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.919
<v Speaker 1>all will choose time and again, then it's just frustrating

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to constant have to live in constant battle. And since

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the inception of this country, it feels like there has

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>never been a time for peace for black folks. We

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>have always had to battle them for something that they

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe some people will feign ignorance later and

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>say I didn't know, but I have to call out

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>bes like, no, you did know. You voted for this

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>is what you want. Everything is happening is what you

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to happen, and that's why you cast this ballot.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I don't know if, like when

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>we tap into the apathetic, are we tapping into them

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to participate in this system to create a mass exodus

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>out of this system to take cover while this system

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>works itself out. I just don't I don't even know.

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, I'm of the point now where I'm

0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>like on some build community and communes and go off

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the grid. I don't even know what that looks like,

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 1>but it seems to be that kind of because I

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 1>don't know where this goes next. If we're here at

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>barely one hundred days in, where do we go next?

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 8>If I may Andrew just really quick on the mass

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 8>because I'm not good at maths, so I have to

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 8>go back and check my math sometimes. According to this

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 8>piece in the Guardian, it says that it is estimated

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 8>that close to ninety million Americans, roughly thirty six percent

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 8>of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. CNN

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 8>has so that's ninety million. So I decided to make

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.720
<v Speaker 8>sure because I know I can be really bad at math.

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 8>Kamala Harris obtained seventy five a little over seventy five

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 8>million votes. Donald Trump obtained a little over seventy seven

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 8>point three million votes. So again, it is estimated that

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 8>close to ninety million Americans, roughly thirty six percent of

0:42:55.640 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 8>the eligible voting age population, did not vote. I'm not

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.879
<v Speaker 8>resting this at the like, there's not even that many

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 8>black people. I'm not putting this on black folks. I

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 8>am asking and pleading with people to help me find

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 8>the folks who are of voting age who did not

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 8>participate so we can understand why, so we can change

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 8>that system. I don't know that continuing it. I mean,

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.359
<v Speaker 8>white folks who voted for Trump definitely did. White folks

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 8>who voted against Kamala Harris definitely won the election in

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 8>terms of who took the oath of office. But the

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 8>people who won by apathy still outpaced Donald Trump and

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 8>Kamala Harris. So that to me is the push even

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.879
<v Speaker 8>for this tour, there are too many black folks who

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 8>are of voting age also who didn't not participate. I

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.359
<v Speaker 8>want to reach them first. Those are my people, right,

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 8>But I also want to try to tap into why

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 8>people could have such an awesome responsibility and not engaged.

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 6>And I think think.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, I think your point of

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>of apathy winning the election is simply it could be

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a philosophical difference or a semantical one, because at the

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, where I draw, where I draw

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 2>conclusion around who won is who governs. But I understand

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the point of how many, what percentage of people chose

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>not to participate in truth. Every candidate, every political committee,

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>every pack we can think of, with the exception of

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>some of what Elon Musk did as a way of

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>dangling money out to people, if you show up, you

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>can get one hundred dollars here and a ten thousand

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and a million here. Aside from that, all the political

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 2>quote smart money is not on going after that ninety

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:42.319
<v Speaker 2>plus million at all. All the political smart money, supposedly,

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 2>if you want to call it smart, is going toward

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 2>persuading those who you know are on the chessboard and

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 2>will vote, to come out and vote your way. It's

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>why a lot of campaigns don't put a bunch of

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>money into voter registration, quite frankly, because they're really not

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 2>interested in turning out the unknown. They don't want the

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 2>people who they're not sure how they're going to perform

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to actually show up. That's why they make the laws harder. Nobody,

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 2>no politician I know, wants unpredictability in the system. They're

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>very similar to money markets. Money markets hate the unpredicted,

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 2>the unpredictable. Politicians governmental initusians those who are competing and

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>combating for power. They hate the unknown unless the unknown

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 2>is really known to them, which is, if I pump

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 2>this number and it shows up, they're voting for me.

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.320
<v Speaker 2>It used to be going theory that if an election

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 2>was a high turnout election, the end result would be

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat would win. That used to be the status

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>quote for decades. Well guess what Donald Trump enters the formula.

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>He turns it on his head. And now when we

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>see high turnout, Democrats get nervous because we believe high

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 2>turnout is going to result and Donald Trump and Republicans winning.

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>That's been a topsy turvey of a system that I've

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>understood and that I've studied, and that I've competed in

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 2>for over two decades as a as an elected official

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.320
<v Speaker 2>myself or a candidate for election.

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 3>And the math.

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 2>The worst part about the math is that the money

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>is not going to follow going for the person who

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.479
<v Speaker 2>you're not sure how they're going to perform. In fact,

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I think the money is going to exacerbate itself on

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the side of if you are a voter who I

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 2>can guarantee that if I turn you out, you're going

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to vote my way. That's where the big money and

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the smart money is going to continue to be. And

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be undemocratizing to that ninety plus million

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>and all who join them afterwards, because they's still not

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>going to feel heard, seen or reflected in the government,

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>because the government is going to get further and further

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.800
<v Speaker 2>estranged from them. And that's exactly the way the systems

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 2>of power that turn want it to work.

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>It just feels like, because we even the numbers when

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you disaggregate that by race, he had the highest number

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>of whites, Like he turned out white voters intentionally with

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 1>his racism, with his tropes. He turned out this was

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the third highest turnout for black voters. You know what

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean. It's like, no, we participated, not all of us,

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and surely and even our voting turnout in general, which

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I think speaks to your point, Angela, like we've never

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 1>had most of our population turnout when it comes to voting,

0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>but black votes like we showed up. We turned out

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 1>more for Vice President Harris than we did for Biden.

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 1>And it's also the it highlighted the gap between Latino

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>voters and Black voters for the first time, which was

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 1>also a wide gap. And it feels like, if this

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>is what we are looking at, then where do we

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 1>go from here, you know, because like if fine, if

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.560
<v Speaker 1>we're going to tap into the apathetic, then what are

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 1>we tapping in them to say? Like, what are we

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>asking them to do? Because it can't be you know,

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we need you all to vote next time, like no, no, no, no, no. First,

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>we need you to believe in something. So what is

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the sum thing that we're asking them to believe in?

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And right now I don't know. The only thing I

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 1>can believe in is US, That's it. We were having

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a conversation some friends and I and we were saying

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody asked, well, at what point because people are concerned

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump concerned the military on people, and they

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>were asking, well, at what point do the people in

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the military do the rank and file say no, this

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 1>isn't right. And I black women make up a disproportionate

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>amount of people in the military, like we and I'm like,

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>that's the only people I can count on. I can

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:37.279
<v Speaker 1>trust that black women will not, in service to this country,

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>turn their weapons on me. I put my life on it.

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Literally beyond that, I don't know. I have no belief

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 1>in no one but us. When I say us, I

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 1>mean black people. I don't just mean black women. But yeah,

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I have my safety relies on us and resides in US.

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So it is I mean, it is a moment in

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>time really to just take I don't jump out there

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and comment on every little thing. Like sometimes you know,

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>the bookers will call and they want you and it's like,

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not playing that game anymore, you know, because this

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>person said something, you want me to respond, and this

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>person want to come to do sixty seconds on this subject.

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It's too serious for that right now, you know, Like

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I just need to take a moment and observe

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 1>what is happening and gather my thoughts, gather my spirit

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>because I just, yeah, I don't know where we go

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 1>from here. I really don't can. I think.

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, I think the small

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 2>wins is where I think I'm finding some comfort. I

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.319
<v Speaker 2>think I took a lot of courage from watching what

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Harvard did and seeing some of the other institutions, academic

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 2>institutional leadership stand up and basically applaud them and say

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you know here here, you know, keep going, And then

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>to watch that frankly, the Republican the the Trump administration

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:01.919
<v Speaker 2>back up and say that letter shouldn't have been sent.

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 2>We shouldn't have said what we said. Now the question

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>is is all y'all going to restore the funding and

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the way that it's supposed to be. And obviously the

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 2>bigger question is going to be how the courts ultimately

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.280
<v Speaker 2>decide here. But I agree with you that it's hard

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to find faith that the institutions as they were designed

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 2>are going I don't think they predicted that this was

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 2>going to be who you know, they would operate this way,

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 2>and that their effect was going to be not to

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 2>the dismemberment of black folk exclusively, but that the effect

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.400
<v Speaker 2>was going to be on them as well. And now

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 2>that's the only time I think we see this administration

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>backing up in any real way is when they hear

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 2>from their people that, oh, no, no, no, you miscalculated this.

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>That program Secretary HEXXF that you just got rid of

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that sets women up for greater achievement within the military.

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 2>You just voided and said, this woke stuff is over.

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Was created by your president, signed into law by first

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.959
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump adminished he put it into law. And guess

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 2>what the major sponsor in the Senate was Marco Rubio

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 2>as a senator and now US Secretary of State.

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 3>And guests who sponsored it in the House.

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Christy nom your Homeland Security advisor turned centerfold. I mean

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>that picture, you.

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 3>Know, the blowout and all that stuff.

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the point is real that these folks, they

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>were they pushed it themselves. And you put out tweets

0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 2>decrying this as woke policy. Well, that's woke policy from

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>your colleagues, former cabinet members, the Secretary of Homeland Security

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 2>and the third highest ranking individual in the government, the

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Secretary of State.

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:42.840
<v Speaker 3>That's where that came from.

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 2>And so only then do they get quieted and just

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because they don't apologize.

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:49.640
<v Speaker 3>They don't say this was a mistake.

0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, but there is no safety to be found there

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, And you're ex' you're you're exceedingly right

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 2>that those in this country as apathetic have largely largely

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:05.360
<v Speaker 2>continued to stay out of the system.

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 5>But I don't want people to think that that's a

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.240
<v Speaker 5>new advent. The the the.

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Extension of the ability to vote, period has always intended.

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 3>To exclude the majority.

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Again, only property owning white men were originally allowed to vote,

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 2>not all white men. And so when that when that

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 2>franchise got extended to non property owning white people. That

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:29.319
<v Speaker 2>was another layer of enfranchising. And then two black folk

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>black you know, and then of course we have we

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 2>already you know the history around the clap back there.

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 2>But these have been gradual inclusions that the government in

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>this country didn't start with an assumption of radical inclusion

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 2>of everybody.

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 1>But that's another thing, the lack of knowledge of history,

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 1>the lack of curiosity about history. I mean, when you

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>look at the American Revolution, most people don't know what

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the mary of you asked, somebody, tell me what was

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the Revolutionary War about? Like, how did that that come

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to be? I mean it's quite cyclical. I mean that

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 1>in itself was about out terrorifts. And the way we

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>tell the story is like all these poor American, poor

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 1>brave Americans, was like no, y'all didn't want to pay

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>your fair share like that. That was always part of

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the problem. So it's really nothing new under this sign

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>right precisely, I know we're coming up on time. I

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 1>just want to play a quick snippet with a conversation

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I had with Ricaya Diallo about how people one about

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 1>where we are in the globe US as community and

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>how people are perceiving the United States, because as you

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>all know, in France they handled Marine Lapin with much

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:41.440
<v Speaker 1>more I think, righteousness and caution than we did Donald Trump.

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 1>This week Canada had an election. They elected Mark Carney

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 1>as their new prime minister, and I don't know that

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.120
<v Speaker 1>he would have won had it not been for Donald Trump.

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a fight against America. People across the globe

0:53:55.920 --> 0:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>have been warning about a rising authoritarian government in the

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 1>United States, and so Richai Diallo is just a fascinating

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:10.320
<v Speaker 1>intellectual out of Paris who I think is strikingly beautiful

0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and other things. And I was able to chat with

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>her for Michael Harriet's Catreman camp. But I'd like to

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.200
<v Speaker 1>just play a little of that sound and get your

0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:19.240
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the other side, please.

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 11>Mario Marichal Lupen, who is the niece of Marinupen, one

0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 11>of the leaders of the Faraight, was invited to the

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.000
<v Speaker 11>US to speak in front of you know people, MAGA

0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 11>people so like the It's they're very well organized and

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 11>they are really really good to spread the ideas, you know,

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 11>across the both sides of the Atlantic. And you know what,

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 11>when Vance came in Germany in January, he you know,

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 11>he pointed out the idea of the enemy from within,

0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.640
<v Speaker 11>and we know that he's really targeting us, you know,

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 11>black people, Muslim who was supposedly not really Europeans, and

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.240
<v Speaker 11>him coming from the US just you know, fueling hate

0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 11>against us is really putting us into danger. And it's

0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 11>something that is really well organized globally.

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's the thing that's interesting to me. They are

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:13.680
<v Speaker 1>well organized globally, and I wonder, are we right something

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that happens here in America. There are some people, a

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 1>small sect of people, who feel like we have to

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.720
<v Speaker 1>worry about us, We have to worry about the people

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:26.560
<v Speaker 1>who are direct descendants of the enslaved from here in America.

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 1>You and I are both survivors of white supremacy, our

0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>families or survivors of white supremacy. I am the descendant

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>of the enslaved here. You are not the descendant of

0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:42.440
<v Speaker 1>enslaved yet still you have been harmed right by by

0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>white people, and so I feel solidarity with you. You know,

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I understand when you're talking. It's like, yes, I understand

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:53.399
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're saying. I wonder as we navigate this,

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of black people here who are

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>looking to flee, you know, expats who are saying I

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 1>have to leave a mayor, And I just wonder if

0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 1>we had solidarity across the globe how that might look,

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, if we could organize as well to provide

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:14.840
<v Speaker 1>each other safety. They're the same. The system that's oppressing

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 1>you is oppressing me. And I just wonder your thoughts

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:22.040
<v Speaker 1>on what it looks like for us to unite globally

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>as the global majority. What might solidarity among all of

0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>us across the globe look like.

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 11>I tend to think that the knowledge is power. Just

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 11>knowing what happens to you here, what's happening to us

0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:37.320
<v Speaker 11>there in Europe, but also what's happening to people in Brazil,

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 11>for example, is something that really makes us stronger and

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 11>makes us understand how it's you know, it operates globally.

0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:48.360
<v Speaker 11>And also the fact that it's way easier for me

0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 11>to speak here in the US than it is in France,

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 11>and I guess that it would be easier for you

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 11>to speak about what's going on in the US in France,

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.800
<v Speaker 11>and here we need to use our privileges to speak

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 11>out about, you know, local situations of people that that

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 11>that the mainstream don't want to see.

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 1>One of the interesting things she said was that when

0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Marien La Penn was sentenced, the first people to speak

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>out about it donald Trump and other dictators around the

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 1>country and how, uh, you know, as black folks in

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:26.440
<v Speaker 1>in Paris, how they're looking at America versus how America

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>has looked at everyone else. It was really a fascinating conversation.

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I told her. Angela's like, you're like the Angela Riah

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Paris because she's well known, you know, people stop her.

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 1>And she was like, I consider that such a huge compliment,

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Yeah, it was really sweet. And

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>they haven't I've been trying to We were in Paris

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 1>and she wasn't there, but I've been trying to make

0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:46.400
<v Speaker 1>sure that she met our cohort. But you can hear

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:49.200
<v Speaker 1>more of that at Contraband camp. I did that were my.

0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Father that it was such a It was acknowledgement that

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.040
<v Speaker 2>you can get an audience and reach people in France

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 2>when she camp and similarly when she's in the US. Yeah,

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it goes back to that old saying it's hard to

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 2>be a profit in your own land and that you

0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 2>know you'll get underminded where you are, but you go

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else in your genius, expert but right where you are,

0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 2>right where you're doing the work, is all the undermining

0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:20.920
<v Speaker 2>your question though, around what might solidarity and sort of

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 2>shared pain struggle overcoming relief look like if the folks

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:30.439
<v Speaker 2>who are oppressed around the country were to find solidarity

0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:33.959
<v Speaker 2>with each other. And I think I understood her point

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:38.000
<v Speaker 2>to be basically, wherever you are, continue to activate, share

0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 2>those stories because we all get power from that. And

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's not us exporting ourselves to some remote island,

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>but rather changing the systems, upending the systems. And then

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:51.640
<v Speaker 2>the people who you know, we're the proprieties previously are

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>the ones who are like, we got to get someplace,

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 2>we got to go. Shouldn't say that, But I understood

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it to be uniformity in our fight, you know, maybe

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:01.240
<v Speaker 2>that we turn the tables and we win.

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of you and it's not I've noticed

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Sixty Minutes did a great piece this week on people

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 1>leaving the United States because they've studied special areas of

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 1>expertise in the medical community that are no longer supported

0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 1>by the NHS, and so now they are taking their talent.

0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>So we are making it harder for it. Take that excisely,

0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 1>we are making it harder for immigrants to come to

0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 1>this country who contribute to our economy and to our

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, intellectual capabilities at large, and we are sending

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>our brightest away, and we are home growing a lot

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of domestic terrorists in my opinions, who prioritize white man

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 1>rule and who who lack any sort of curiosity about people.

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, it's just a dangerous time and

0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what tomorrow brings. So in the midst

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of all, well, I was just gonna say, and in

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the midst of all that we have to find pockets.

0:59:57.360 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 5>Of joy on the other side of this break.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when we'll get into what Angela has been out

1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.960
<v Speaker 2>there listening, seeing, hearing and giving on the set of

1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:07.520
<v Speaker 2>the People Tour.

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<v Speaker 4>Stay tuned, We'll be right back, Angela.

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<v Speaker 1>I did want to tell you, I know because you

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have to go, but I did want to tell you

1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the comments last week were of great concern,

1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and they're like Angela's in her voice, and Andrew don't

1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:32.520
<v Speaker 1>call them Angela, and is she getting rest? So I

1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:36.280
<v Speaker 1>think people just want to hear how you're doing and

1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:37.760
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to say about the tour where you're

1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 1>heading next to anything about that, Well, I'm sitting in

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Saint Mark ami Zion Church in Durham, North Carolinas. Uh,

1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the ami Zions are different, but sure we can show

1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you the Zion. Yes, Ammi's and the Kojis are actually

1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:57.160
<v Speaker 1>official official partners on the tour.

1:00:58.440 --> 1:00:59.680
<v Speaker 6>This has been incredible.

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:04.640
<v Speaker 8>In Durham, we had a meeting, a town hall meeting

1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:09.960
<v Speaker 8>in another am church, Saint Joseph's right by North Carolina

1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:13.240
<v Speaker 8>Central yesterday. This is also right by North Carolina Central.

1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:17.240
<v Speaker 8>What was fascinating about that conversation as we were sitting

1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:21.040
<v Speaker 8>there at a church that was established in eighteen sixty

1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:24.440
<v Speaker 8>nine and so they're used to doing this kind of

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<v Speaker 8>organizing work around our freedom and our liberation. There was

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<v Speaker 8>going to be a setup where the moderator asked the

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<v Speaker 8>questions for the audience, and instead, as you all know,

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<v Speaker 8>we always choose to hear directly from the folks. What's

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<v Speaker 8>your name and where are you from? I walk with

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<v Speaker 8>the mike and we had this brother, his name is Bradford.

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<v Speaker 8>Shout out to Bradford talked about black folks not knowing

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<v Speaker 8>what time it is really talked about, like developing his

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<v Speaker 8>own alkaline water plant, talked about the ways in which

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<v Speaker 8>he farms. I'm gonna visit his farm Thursday morning before

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<v Speaker 8>I I'm changing my stuff so i can go to this.

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<v Speaker 6>Farm Thursday morning.

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<v Speaker 8>And what he said was there are certain things we

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<v Speaker 8>need to get in place for the times ahead. And

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<v Speaker 8>what I'm thinking about is the fact that if this

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<v Speaker 8>timeline that is projected. There's a CNBC article that came

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<v Speaker 8>out that's talking about if the tariffs are to have

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<v Speaker 8>the economic impact that is suspected, there will be goods,

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<v Speaker 8>significant amount of goods not on shelves in May, just

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<v Speaker 8>in a couple of weeks. So if we don't know

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<v Speaker 8>what time it is now, and we can't come together

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<v Speaker 8>during the state of the People power toward to determine

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<v Speaker 8>how we will take care of ourselves in this moment,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know what we're gonna do, but Bradford's assignment

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<v Speaker 8>is to give us the top five things that black

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<v Speaker 8>people need to do to hunker down and survive in

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<v Speaker 8>this moment. I think that the shelves will look like

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<v Speaker 8>they did during COVID. I think that we will have

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<v Speaker 8>the same type of water shortage as paper towels toilet

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<v Speaker 8>paper that we do that we did during COVID and

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<v Speaker 8>it's again based on the cnbcpiece. I'm gonna make sure

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<v Speaker 8>that we actually get it as a link for our audience.

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<v Speaker 8>But Apollo Global Management put out a report about this,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think that we should look into it. The

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<v Speaker 8>other thing that I was going to say is we

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<v Speaker 8>will be well when y'all hear this podcast, either we

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<v Speaker 8>will be in Birmingham or having just left Birmingham. Over

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<v Speaker 8>the weekend, We're going everywhere from New Orleans to Louisville,

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<v Speaker 8>to Los Angeles to Detroit, and we asked that you

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<v Speaker 8>sign on. If you can't sign on, watch the live stream.

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<v Speaker 8>Watch the live stream from Atlanta this past weekend. It

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<v Speaker 8>was incredible and the energy just feels so good.

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<v Speaker 6>I also just.

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<v Speaker 8>Want to shout out our research producer Lolo, because life

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<v Speaker 8>still lives, and human beings, even on this tour a

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<v Speaker 8>still having a very human experience. Lolo lost her cousins

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<v Speaker 8>over the weekend and a tragic car acit in and

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<v Speaker 8>I'm saying that to say that our first priority on

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<v Speaker 8>this tour is not pushing policy or chastising people for

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<v Speaker 8>what they did or didn't do. It's about taking care

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<v Speaker 8>of the human being first. So we have to first

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<v Speaker 8>ask each other, even on this podcast, what do you need?

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<v Speaker 8>What do you need? Are you okay? And wait and

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<v Speaker 8>listen for the answer and see if it's the need

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<v Speaker 8>that you can solve. Whether you're a listener or you're

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<v Speaker 8>a host, you're a producer, what do you need? We

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<v Speaker 8>get so short with each other. I was mad at

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<v Speaker 8>Nick earlier today, but I.

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<v Speaker 6>Was like, put me in the game, coach, what are

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<v Speaker 6>we doing? Like I want to hear what Tiffany Andrew

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<v Speaker 6>are saying. I want to come in here some abo uh.

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<v Speaker 8>But I think that even in that, like we're such

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<v Speaker 8>in a rush to give people information, we can't run

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<v Speaker 8>over the humans that help us pull this off every

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<v Speaker 8>single week. So I love y'all. I appreciate your patience

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<v Speaker 8>with me and my voice during this time. I hope

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<v Speaker 8>it comes back. If not, I'm just going to be

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<v Speaker 8>a ruspie raspet.

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<v Speaker 6>Donkey voice.

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<v Speaker 3>In the church and church the past.

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<v Speaker 6>I was saying, raspy asking question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, Ray asking questions.

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<v Speaker 8>For a little while, but just praying that it comes back,

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<v Speaker 8>because it's really annoying. I like that boy anyway, I

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<v Speaker 8>want to I just woke up all day.

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<v Speaker 6>I woke I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know more about the guy when you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the farm, if you can take video that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we can share if he's comfortable, Because I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>y'all that's what I want right now, Like how what

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<v Speaker 1>do you need? How canna be?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And if this dude is like, what do we need?

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<v Speaker 1>And he got well water and he's like, let's build community.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean honestly becauseated oh I thought he had will okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Because I mean there is something. There is something to that,

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<v Speaker 1>to us growing our own food, you know, as the

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<v Speaker 1>FDA is falling apart, there is something as we used

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<v Speaker 1>to there's something to us building community. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>say building community, I don't mean in the abstract way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean literally building homes in areas close to each

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<v Speaker 1>other where we can be there for each other and

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<v Speaker 1>have our own you know, marketplace with each other, recreating

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<v Speaker 1>what used to exist, you know, the nineteenth right in

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<v Speaker 1>the early part of the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 6>I just.

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<v Speaker 1>And later and I just means that they destroyed it all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So the Red Summer.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only reason why I say later is because

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<v Speaker 2>some folks may think we had to be here during

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<v Speaker 2>slave day, you know, enslavement periods to have known what

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like to grow your own.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not sure, and it doesn't take all that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, as a kid, I have very vivid memories

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<v Speaker 2>of in the backyard picking lettuce, picking collar greens, shelling.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we grew every kind of fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I lived in Miami at that point, but my

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother and grandfather taught us that we fished for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for fish, we had chickens, for poultry. I mean there

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<v Speaker 2>was we didn't have to rely on it, but we

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<v Speaker 2>still grew it, we still planted it, we still picked it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I did that as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it shouldn't feel so remote and like another

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<v Speaker 2>worldish for folks to think about. Tiff, the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I think beloved community that you described where we where

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<v Speaker 2>we do rely on and take care of ourselves. And

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<v Speaker 2>Angela to your earlier point around shells being empty, you

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<v Speaker 2>had the CEOs of Walmart, you had major sort of

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<v Speaker 2>leaders of industry in the retail space. Get down to

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<v Speaker 2>the White House and say, mister President, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>predict for you that we're going to have empty shells.

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<v Speaker 3>There will be shells that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are empty in this country if the tears stay as

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<v Speaker 2>they are. So it is if it happens, y'all, it

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<v Speaker 2>ain't because they didn't know about it, which out to

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<v Speaker 2>send us really spiraling in concern. If it happens, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not because the government didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just tell y'all where I go on this weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>I am headed back to Michael Harriet's house.

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<v Speaker 3>I love speaking just what I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>This man could build a whole community on his property.

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<v Speaker 1>He I won't say exactly where he lives, but he

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<v Speaker 1>in the backwoods somewhere like completely mostly off the grid,

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<v Speaker 1>but got acres on acres on acres, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like a museum the way that he has

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<v Speaker 1>constructed his house. It's a former plantation. The slave quarters

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<v Speaker 1>are still he like fixed them up, and his mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law lives and he got his mom in law

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<v Speaker 1>living in the slave quarters. But it's like a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a four bedroom house. Its beautiful. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>just such a great place to write and research and read.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, he's such a historian and an intellectual person.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to have conversation with him and his wife, who's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing too. So I'm going back there for the for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while to write, read and research and just connect,

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<v Speaker 1>but also explore what it looks like. That's why when

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<v Speaker 1>Angela said that, I perked up, like, wait, he got

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<v Speaker 1>a farm. He's doing what. I really would love for

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<v Speaker 1>us to get back to that. And I think with

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<v Speaker 1>the what we're going, it might be.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Angela, if you said, like, I'm gonna buy property in

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi and I'm thinking of just being If you said

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna buy property in Mississippi'm gonna be a pioneer

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna buy some property in Mississippi and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna build up this place who down, I promise you

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, you know what, I'm open to that. Andrew.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're like, I'm getting acres, if you say Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would be completely open to that because

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what the ancestors did for us when

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<v Speaker 1>they did the Great migration North. It might be time.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on and talk about I mean.

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<v Speaker 8>Have farmers we have like acre Boys. There's a group

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<v Speaker 8>called acre Boys. I can't remember if I told you

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<v Speaker 8>on this show. The Acre Boys came to the Atlanta Step.

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<v Speaker 8>They're giving away an acre of land during our tour.

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<v Speaker 8>They're giving away an acre of land. They want to

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<v Speaker 8>give away more, but they need sponsors to buy it.

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<v Speaker 8>They wanted to give away an acre in every stop.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be great guests. If they would make great guests.

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<v Speaker 8>They would love to come on here. Let's have them

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<v Speaker 8>on next week, love to they would love to come

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<v Speaker 8>on there. In fact, they already have a show. A

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<v Speaker 8>lot of people followed them. They did a workshop that

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<v Speaker 8>was packed telling people about how to acquire land in

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<v Speaker 8>the process.

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<v Speaker 6>Super good, so they would love to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should also couple doctor Kanisihah Grant and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the others who are extensibly extensively on this

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<v Speaker 2>on the great migration and what it would take for

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<v Speaker 2>reversal migration in some places where I mean, Mississippi, ain't

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<v Speaker 2>that far from folks becoming a majority, from the people

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<v Speaker 2>of color becoming a majority, and yet it's a state

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<v Speaker 2>that is almost fiftieth out of fiftieth and nearly everything

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<v Speaker 2>because of their refusal to invest in our people, our community,

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<v Speaker 2>and they failed to realize that a rising tide really

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<v Speaker 2>does lift all boats. You invest in this group of people,

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<v Speaker 2>all y'all gonna make money. It may not even be

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<v Speaker 2>our attention. It just happens to happen that way when

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<v Speaker 2>you do it the right way. But they're not they're

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<v Speaker 2>not committed to that. But I think that'd be a

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating conversation to began, because most people think it's just

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<v Speaker 2>out of touch and out of reach, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>they need to hear and feel some real examples of

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<v Speaker 2>where as possible.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know Angela has to go. She's going to

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<v Speaker 1>lead a workshop. You are headed to North Carolina, Alabama.

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<v Speaker 8>In North Carolina, we go to Birmingham next. So we

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<v Speaker 8>have a rally tonight based on when this is recorded

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<v Speaker 8>and we have Birmingham of next.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, safe travels on the road, congrats on everything happened

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<v Speaker 1>on the State of the People tour.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't wait to join.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we will be joining on one of the stops,

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<v Speaker 1>so stay tuned for that and listen you guys. We

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate you all sending in your questions, videos, comments, everything.

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<v Speaker 1>another podcast off the Cup that you should be checking out.

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<v Speaker 1>So that wraps our show for today. We had we

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<v Speaker 1>covered a lot had some technical difficulty. Shout out to you, Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>I know we were all probably giving you the blues today,

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<v Speaker 1>but thank you for keeping us together. I promise Nick

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna be here early and I wasn't. So Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick does a great job for all of us. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to producer Nick Research, Lo loo E, p Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>Podfather Chris and all the people who keep us going.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate you, guys. We are your hosts Angela Rie,

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<v Speaker 1>Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum. Welcome home, y'all. There are

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred and fifty one days until midterm elections. If

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<v Speaker 1>they in fact, we'll see y'all.

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<v Speaker 6>Why I said number not going down last morning.

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<v Speaker 12>Thank you for showing the Natives attention of what the

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<v Speaker 12>info on all of the latest Rock Gulam and Cross

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<v Speaker 12>connective to the statements.

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<v Speaker 3>That you leave on our socials. Thank you for the.

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<v Speaker 12>Patients reason for your choice is cleaned so grateful and

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<v Speaker 12>took to execute roads. Thank you for serve, defend and

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<v Speaker 12>protect the truth human in case it will.

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<v Speaker 3>Walk a home to all of the natives. We thank you.

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