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Speaker 1: Native lamb Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. It's episode seventy seven of Native

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Speaker 1: lamp Pot where we give it to you straight notes.

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Speaker 1: Chase there, I am your host, Tiffany Cross. Here was

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Speaker 1: my co host, Angela Rii and Andrew Gillham. We'll come

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Speaker 1: in here with Angela Rai, right, Andrew. Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Am I allowed to talk now?

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Speaker 4: Can I speak?

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Speaker 1: And Angela has not joined us yet, but she's going

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Speaker 1: to join us in the show. As you all know,

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Speaker 1: she's on the road for State of the People tour

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Speaker 1: this week, and I know a lot of you all

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Speaker 1: have been shouting out Angela and looking for her. So

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Speaker 1: she is going to join us momentarily on this week's show.

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Speaker 1: But it's me and Andrew getting it started for now.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Andrew getting it going?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? Since I'm good.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I say can I talk now? Is,

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Speaker 2: y'all you probably already know this if.

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Speaker 3: You're a listener.

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Speaker 2: I'm always trampling over by colleagues when they're in the

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Speaker 2: middle of a thought if you take a second, I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 2: did you know?

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Speaker 1: But you know, they don't experience that, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you. But the comments are all over the place

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Speaker 1: because sometimes the comments are like, oh my god, can

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Speaker 1: Andrew get a word in? And then other comments are

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Speaker 1: like Andrew, stop interrupting. So I feel like it's easier

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Speaker 1: when we're all together in person, you know, recording remotely,

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Speaker 1: you're always like, oh, you know.

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Speaker 2: So, thanks for you're you're stumbling and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like I do it more more than

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Speaker 2: I should, and certainly more than I mean to.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to interrupt.

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Speaker 2: I value the words of my colleagues, which is why

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Speaker 2: we do this together.

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Speaker 1: So I'm so into what you have to say, so

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Speaker 1: and don't listen to Andrew because he knows that. And

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Speaker 1: when we're together we are like this. And I have

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Speaker 1: like personal things to talk to Andrew about, professional things,

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Speaker 1: political things.

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Speaker 3: We can talk for paywall.

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Speaker 2: I will put up some of the videos I've been

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Speaker 2: in charge before, behind the scenes, and I love to

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Speaker 2: just unveil some of that behind the scenes tiff that everybody's.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking we delve a little into your

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Speaker 2: dating life and just update the.

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Speaker 3: People on.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we don't even have enough one.

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Speaker 3: Maybe babe babee, I have to pick that one up.

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Speaker 1: But we're not. We're not substitute of Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 3: I understand, I understand.

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Speaker 1: Understand the innocent.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, I understand me, I understand.

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Speaker 6: Break if you.

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Speaker 3: Want do you want to? I mean, we could go there,

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Speaker 3: but maybe not for the break of the heart.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there might be the break of the wallet, which

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Speaker 2: is this fifty thousand current government civil servant positions that

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Speaker 2: exist around the country in service to the American people

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Speaker 2: in the administration, this administration, if you recall we talked

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Speaker 2: about Project twenty twenty five and the whole loyalty to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Well, we're a step closer to getting it

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Speaker 2: after the executive order that Donald Trump signed this month

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Speaker 2: in April, frankly giving him the power to transition fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand civil servant positions into political positions that would be

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Speaker 2: appointed by the president and will work in service to

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Speaker 2: that individual, which is a huge departure.

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk a little bit about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to hear from Angela what she wants

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Speaker 1: to talk about and right on time, Angela is joining us. So, Angela,

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Speaker 1: what you got?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 8: I want to talk about potential empty shelves as early

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Speaker 8: as May as a result of these tariffs, and if

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Speaker 8: there's time, I definitely want to talk about the strategy

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Speaker 8: on doing sit ins at the Capitol that are also

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Speaker 8: teachings and whether or not that's the most effective way

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Speaker 8: to reach and motialize our folks right now, So we'll

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Speaker 8: see what we have time for.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell folks you've settled and you are about

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Speaker 2: to do beyond the the people tour? We know that,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully we can get an update on how things

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Speaker 2: where people can pick up the tour.

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Speaker 1: All right, so I answer, what's your topic? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that. A lot of what

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Speaker 1: we're witnessing happening here in America is casting a very

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Speaker 1: dark chattel across the globe. I got a chance to

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Speaker 1: speak with French journalist Rikaya Diallo about what she's witnessing

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Speaker 1: and really how the rest of the globe is looking

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Speaker 1: at America right now. So, and Andrew, you were really

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Speaker 1: so well versed and well spoken on foreign policy. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious your thought.

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Speaker 2: I actually want to I want to get into yours.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we saw the election of a new Canadian

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Speaker 2: prime minister, Yes, an election that turned on its head,

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Speaker 2: frankly on the words of Donald Trump. This was a party,

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Speaker 2: the more liberal party of the Canadian government, trust Justin Trudeau,

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Speaker 2: the previous who is that is?

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Speaker 1: So do y'all see why we yell at Andrew?

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Speaker 3: Do you see what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Somebody has somebody has gotten into my computer and my phones.

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Speaker 1: But let's get into Yeah, the global stuff is interesting,

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Speaker 1: but I do think we should start domestically. So, and

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Speaker 1: I have questions for you about the topic that you

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Speaker 1: wanted to get into. So, but we'd also have a

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Speaker 1: viewer question. So do you want to get into your

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Speaker 1: topic or do you want to hear from the viewer first?

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Speaker 2: I would you know you have prioritized hearing from viewers,

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Speaker 2: and I love to hear from viewers. And I think

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Speaker 2: during a mini pod we did a little while back,

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Speaker 2: or maybe it was in the main episode, we had

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Speaker 2: solicited feedback around whether or not we should platform sort

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Speaker 2: of conservative guest conservative.

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Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, I would love to.

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Speaker 2: Hear again some of the continuing rolling feedback we've been

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Speaker 2: getting from people on that.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that, all right, producer.

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Speaker 9: Nick journalists broadcast journalists lived in LA And the reason

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Speaker 9: why you guys needed you interviews is.

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Speaker 7: The episode you just had about the breakdown of the

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Speaker 7: exit polls and why some black.

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Speaker 6: Folks voted for Trump.

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Speaker 7: It's exactly why you need to interview.

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Speaker 9: It's amazing, the amazing conversation. Okay, you need to hear more.

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Speaker 7: It's cool to hear you guys talk manner, go back

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Speaker 7: and forth, but you need other voices on your show

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Speaker 7: that can challenge you guys and also bring the different

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Speaker 7: perspective and expertise. So that's my two cents. Keep it up,

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Speaker 7: by bye.

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Speaker 10: As far as the opposition of voices go, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I get, you know, it's always good to hear like

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Speaker 10: a well rounded amount of people speaking. But I think

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Speaker 10: the criteria should be, like, you know, if you maybe

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Speaker 10: like if you're not a reparationist, you know, reparations in

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Speaker 10: some form, like if you don't believe that black folks

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Speaker 10: are owed anything for being the financial backbone of this

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Speaker 10: country before the Industrial Revolution. I think that should be

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Speaker 10: the criteria and not let people on but I digress.

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Speaker 10: Hope to see y'all soon and happy to be welcomed home.

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Speaker 3: I like that, brother, welcome home.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, you know, these are two comments that obviously over

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks that we hadn't gotten a chance to.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, thank you guys for taking the

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Speaker 1: time to record your thoughts, your comments, your questions, and

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Speaker 1: I want to encourage all of our listeners and viewers

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Speaker 1: with intention because this is our platform as much as

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Speaker 1: it's your platform, and we want this to be an

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Speaker 1: open discourse and open dialogue, the discussion that we have

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Speaker 1: with community to understand our fellow countrymen, and for our

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Speaker 1: fellow countrymen to weigh in as well. So this show

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Speaker 1: may center three black voices, it is not exclusively four

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Speaker 1: black voices. That is for everyone to listen and comment

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Speaker 1: and weigh in, and all power to all the people

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Speaker 1: all the time. So having said that, Andrew, I want

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Speaker 1: to start with this idea with the first guy who

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Speaker 1: my own heart. I'm curious what uh, what outlet he's

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Speaker 1: with and what he does. But this is because I

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Speaker 1: tend to look at everything through the journalist lens, and

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Speaker 1: it's not just what I do professionally, it really is

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Speaker 1: who I am. Like you, people can say you're a politician,

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Speaker 1: that's not just what you do. It's who you are

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Speaker 1: in terms of having a an endless appetite for understanding

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Speaker 1: how this world and society functions, but also wanting to

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Speaker 1: live in service to people. It is very much who

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Speaker 1: you are. It's what you do professionally, but it's who

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Speaker 1: so the frightening thing when he says, oh, to understand

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Speaker 1: why these you know, black people voted Trump? I think

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Speaker 1: if there's a difference between having curiosity about something and

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Speaker 1: intellectual curiosity, So yes, I too was curious about why

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Speaker 1: they are my community, and I care about them enough

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Speaker 1: to care. When you have intellectual curiosity, how you might

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Speaker 1: satisfy that is. I'm a reader, so I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read on everything starting from one hundred years ago. When

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Speaker 1: did these two parties start to shift? When did the

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Speaker 1: Democrat and Republican Party start to enterchage? Because you hear

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Speaker 1: people all the time it was Republicans who freed the slaves,

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Speaker 3: Question that people like.

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Speaker 5: To know, right yeah, and then a moment exactly.

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Speaker 1: Precisely, then I want to read about the new deal.

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Speaker 1: I want to take myself through the decades and see well,

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Speaker 1: and then I hear them saying economic policy, So let

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Speaker 1: me look at their economic policy. What is the MAGA

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Speaker 1: group offering that might be appealing to these men? Then

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Speaker 1: let me look at projects twenty twenty five. What are

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Speaker 1: the things that they're talking about. Then let me look

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Speaker 1: at some of this sounds on my own. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to present this to our audience on my own.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to decipher all of these things as a journalist.

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Speaker 1: When I have a well rounded understanding, I can wrap

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Speaker 1: my arms around this fully. Only then can I responsibly

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Speaker 1: put this before the one hundred thousand plus people who

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Speaker 1: listen to our platform. I am not, as a journalist,

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Speaker 1: going to irresponsibly because I have my own I want

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Speaker 1: to know what it is put that before an audience.

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Speaker 1: I think I have a responsibility to first satisfy my

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Speaker 1: that my immediate instinct would be some rando. Then they

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Speaker 1: want to vote for Trump, let me interview him. I've

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Speaker 1: seen the legacy media do that and they will have

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Speaker 1: you know, no Diemanu ras U OFCNN, But I saw

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Speaker 1: him interviewing a woman and she was saying, well, I

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Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris, and I, you know, could vote for her,

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Speaker 1: nuanced discussion. We have such a breath of knowledge and

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Speaker 1: expertise coming from three very different backgrounds and areas where

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Speaker 1: we can get into that, you know, where we can

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Speaker 1: have a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas and ideology. And

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Speaker 1: on cable news, it's like everyone is looking for that

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Speaker 1: viral moment, and so you know, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: robbed of the opportunity to actually have deep exchange, to

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Speaker 1: actually inform, to actually put things in context, to contextualize

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Speaker 1: some of these things. I don't know how you have

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Speaker 1: strong opinions about tariffs when you don't understand our relationship

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Speaker 1: with China, when you don't understand the global supply chain,

449
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Speaker 1: when you don't don't understand the purchasing power of other countries.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you have an informed discussion about

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Speaker 1: our national security when you don't understand the global threats

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Speaker 1: to the United States and the global threat that the

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Speaker 1: United States is to other places. So trying to fit

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Speaker 1: things into like sixty seconds and people want that, like

455
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: I went off on you and then it went viral

456
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Speaker 1: and now we all going all over the place. It

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Speaker 1: just feels so reductionist to the moment we're in and

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Speaker 1: here at least we get to, you know, deeply explore

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Speaker 1: some things. And what I notice about our audience, which

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Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative, is there's rarely ever been where our

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Speaker 1: audience is. I agree whole heartily with Angela, I agree

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Speaker 1: whole heartily with Sippy. I agree whole heartly with Andrew.

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Speaker 1: There is always a pretty even collection of people who

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Speaker 1: agree with us in each way. But even the people

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Speaker 1: who may vehemently disagree with something I said, they always

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Speaker 1: close with but I love tim. If they disagree with Angela,

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Speaker 1: they're like, girl, I don't know about that, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I love you, or like Andrew, you drive me crazy,

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Speaker 1: you got it wrong, but I love you like it

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Speaker 1: is a discussion in love. And that just feels so

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Speaker 1: much better to me than platforming some of these you know,

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Speaker 1: half witted people who are just there to regurgitate Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's nutsack. Really, at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, just stop it, you know. And I don't

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Speaker 1: even think it frustrates me to put be put on

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Speaker 1: the same level as some of these people. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like we are not on equal footing. Like you

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Speaker 1: cannot talk to me about the uties because you don't

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Speaker 1: even know who that is. But you want to like

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Speaker 1: regurgitate something that you saw on Fox News and you

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Speaker 1: have no idea. It used to drive me crazy when

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Speaker 1: Angela first started doing television, and you know, she worked

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, been the executive director for a legislative

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Speaker 1: body for the rest of Black Caucus and it's on

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Speaker 1: there opposite someone who writes a blog. You know, like,

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Speaker 1: have no clue about it. Angel You were a gubernatorial

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Speaker 1: candidate and you're sitting across from somebody who was a

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Speaker 1: junior press sect on somebody's campaign. It's not They're not

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Speaker 1: like us, you know, it's not the same. So that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing just just frustrates me. Angela. You were

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Speaker 1: talking about the state of the tour and we we

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Speaker 1: can we can delete this and we don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about it. But I think some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you were saying about the tour and some of

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Speaker 1: the voices that you wanted to include, to me that

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Speaker 1: that was a very meaty discussion because your perspective has

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Speaker 1: been organizing by addition, not subtraction, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that is uh, it's gonna make some people uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it makes me some of it makes

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Speaker 1: me uncomfortable, But that is like those are the to me,

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Speaker 1: that is a more meati conversation too than hearing from

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that I agree with everything, but

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Speaker 1: I just think the point you were making was valid.

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Speaker 1: And so you y'all are saying you just want to

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Speaker 1: talk about or just want to talk to people you

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Speaker 1: agree with and talk to the people who agree with us,

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Speaker 1: and that's not really organizing. And I think maybe that's

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Speaker 1: what some of the viewers are trying to suggest as well.

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Speaker 1: But I just think that's a different level of philosophical

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Speaker 1: discussion that we get to have here. All right, Well, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, Andrew.

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Speaker 8: I was like, I don't know if you were asking

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Speaker 8: me something or disagreeing, but I agree with that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, you wanted to get into the I had

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Speaker 1: questions for you about your topic.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll try to tee it up in this

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Speaker 2: smaller way, which is simply to say, we all warned

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Speaker 2: about Project twenty twenty five. We went through, we did

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Speaker 2: an episode on it. It is very clear that Russell

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Speaker 2: Vogue is one thousand percent committed to his mission, and

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Speaker 2: whether people know it or not, this is a person

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is being sidelined.

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Speaker 3: Mind.

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Speaker 5: But all the reporting that I have seen, the man

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Speaker 5: behind the curtain all the while is still Russell Vogue.

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Speaker 5: And so this person who is little known, little advertised,

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Speaker 5: little talked about, is deeply censed in the federal and

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Speaker 5: knowledge about the federal system. He worked for a US senator,

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Speaker 5: he's been a policy director, he's worked in the in

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Speaker 5: the in the nuanced details of budgeting of the federal government.

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Speaker 5: Which is what frightens me the most about his position

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Speaker 5: within this administration and the power that he's ascended to,

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Speaker 5: because he's exactly the type of person who knows how

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Speaker 5: to bring it all down, to bring it all in.

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Speaker 2: If you're committed to that end and you spent the

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Speaker 2: time studying and understanding and knowing how to do it,

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Speaker 2: it ought to frighten and shake all of us to

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Speaker 2: the court to know that there is that kind of

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Speaker 2: a fox in the hen house. And what I mean

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Speaker 2: about the hen house, I mean the henhouse of democracy.

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Speaker 3: The room of.

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Speaker 2: The Constitution, the underbelly of statutes and laws that then

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Speaker 2: govern this democracy. This is a person who understands that

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Speaker 2: hook letter verse. And so now we read in Project

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five about the loyalty oh to the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration and they want federal government employees to be mostly

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Speaker 2: fidel to him and not to the Constitution. And so

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Speaker 2: what is about to happen based off of this executive

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Speaker 2: order that the President signed in April. That has now

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Speaker 2: advanced forward and it is expected to be part of

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Speaker 2: a compromise on the budget that the House Speaker is

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Speaker 2: going to lead. Is it will transform what are fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand currently civil service positions. These are people who get

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Speaker 2: hired into the government, they work for protect a respective

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Speaker 2: part of the government, and their fidelity ultimately is to

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Speaker 2: the Constitution, to the laws of this country to enact

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Speaker 2: what has passed through the Congress and signed by the president. Well,

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Speaker 2: they want to change the those positions so that they're

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Speaker 2: no longer equal opportunity positions for anyone who is qualified

560
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Speaker 2: to apply and.

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Speaker 3: Get hired too.

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Speaker 2: You must be loyal to Donald Trump or the president

563
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Speaker 2: if you will, and your job is to enact the

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Speaker 2: agenda of the president without regard to any of those

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Speaker 2: other factors. That's problematic because it's those other factors that

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Speaker 2: make what the president does either.

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Speaker 4: Legal or illegal.

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Speaker 2: And if you, as a person, are able to unilaterally

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Speaker 2: decide that all we do is follow the edicts of

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Speaker 2: the President without regard to the law, what's right to

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Speaker 2: the codes and statutes of the country, you, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: are no longer civilly servant to the people you're civilly

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Speaker 2: servant to a man, you are servant to an individual. Well,

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Speaker 2: these fifty thousand positions that are about to be transitioned

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Speaker 2: is just the start of where they ultimately want to

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Speaker 2: go with the over two million federal employees, which is

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Speaker 2: to make them again holy oil, to the individual occupant

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Speaker 2: of the White House. Whereas our democracy has been built

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Speaker 2: on and has stood not perfectly because I got my critiques,

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Speaker 2: but has stood largely on civil servants who follow the law,

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Speaker 2: the constitution and will absolutely disobey in unlawful order. And

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Speaker 2: if we're now changing that to you obey whatever the

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Speaker 2: order is from the commander in chief, from the President

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Speaker 2: of the United States, without regard to the other stuff,

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Speaker 2: we are well then on the way to fascism because

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Speaker 2: to a system of democracy that doesn't look anything like

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Speaker 2: democracy at all, but more like that of a king,

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Speaker 2: a dictator, or a tyrant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally everything you're saying, because we've obviously heard about

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Speaker 1: this before he was actually even elected. And then when

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Speaker 1: he took over, there were employees government employees saying that

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Speaker 1: they were asked about their fealty. Loyalty, said Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I just wonder what exactly is that litmus test.

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Speaker 1: And this is just something that we've not seen before.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think people are so tuned out

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Speaker 1: to the extent because we cannot fathom losing rights, you know,

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Speaker 1: like people have never we've never been confronted with the

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Speaker 1: concept of losing rights. And if you are building an army, essentially,

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Speaker 1: if you are supplanting everybody within the federal government to

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Speaker 1: be these loyalists, I mean, that is what you have

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Speaker 1: in Russia with Putin, That's what you have in Turkey

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Speaker 1: with Erdowan, That's what you have. Even in China, I

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Speaker 1: would see, that's what you have in uh uh, the

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Speaker 1: the other dictator I can't wake.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's Cuba.

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Speaker 2: We've got it also where we are now exporting American

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Speaker 2: citizens to prisons country exactly where you've got a strong

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Speaker 2: man figure. Everybody's lord to the strong man figure, and

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold, there is zero accountability, and then

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Speaker 2: people start to regret the kind of system that then

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Speaker 2: takes hold again. All of these people were elected as populist.

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Speaker 1: First, Yeahan and Turkey, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but as pop they were the voice

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Speaker 2: of the people. And then they got there and it

615
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: became very clear that the voice for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that legal? Like I, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: the courts are going to hold so I don't know

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Speaker 1: what a law is at this point. But is it

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Speaker 1: legal to create the fifty thousand positions where you have

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Speaker 1: to be loyal to not even the executive branch, but

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Speaker 1: the president himself? And if not, where does it?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Who is the person that's going to stand between Donald

624
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Speaker 1: Trump and his building? Essentially an army, a workforce of

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Speaker 1: loyal federal employees.

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Speaker 2: To tivioty is the right question. And unfortunately, the people

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Speaker 2: who would normally be the stop gap the Congress, they've

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Speaker 2: already shown themselves to be head over heels, backless.

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Speaker 3: You know exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty frightening when you think about it, And it

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Speaker 1: kind of is the point that I was making around

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Speaker 1: a lot of this. We are exporting a lot of populism,

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Speaker 1: And it kind of details into Angela what you wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about with the citizens because I do feel

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Speaker 1: like Congress has been pretty reckless at this point. But

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Speaker 1: curious your thoughts because it's from topic you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to pull sound, but

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Speaker 8: there's some really good sound from this past weekend. Members

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Speaker 8: of Congress, who including Corey Booker, who a lot of

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Speaker 8: folks were so proud of for standing on the Senate

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Speaker 8: floor for more than twenty four hours breaking strom Thurman's record.

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Speaker 8: He was a part of what they were calling. Some

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Speaker 8: were calling this, and we're calling a teaching this past

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Speaker 8: weekend on Sunday, and so they sat on the steps

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Speaker 8: and I'm not gonna lie to y'all. The image that

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Speaker 8: I had in my mind was Sesame Street. I don't

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Speaker 8: know why I was given Sesame Street vibes, that it

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Speaker 8: was given Sesame Street vibes.

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Speaker 5: The teaching they were teaching, Yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 8: But I just it felt a lot softer than his

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Speaker 8: initial approach. But the circumstances have gotten so much more severe.

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Speaker 8: There are a lot of people who come out of

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Speaker 8: traditional movement work that really liked what they did, and

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying I didn't. And the worst part is,

657
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Speaker 8: I hate to be a person that criticizes the thing,

658
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 8: and then I don't have the alternative. So I don't

659
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Speaker 8: know what the alternative is. I don't know that it's

660
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Speaker 8: another press conference, I don't know that it's going on

661
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 8: more shows, and it may be a combination.

662
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Speaker 6: Of all of these things.

663
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Speaker 8: I think that what they're really wrestling with, which is

664
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Speaker 8: something we wrestle with every week too, is cutting through.

665
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 8: How do you cut through? Why are you talking about

666
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 8: stuff that nobody understands, or your approach is one that

667
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 8: nobody appreciates or you know very few people do, or

668
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 8: you're in that same echo chamber talking to the same

669
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 8: people you always talk to. What are you going to

670
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 8: do to stretch yourself out of your comfort zone? Now,

671
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 8: to be fair, they might have been in comfortable clothes,

672
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 8: but I think they stretch themselves out of their comfort zone,

673
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 8: their safe spaces behind a podium, at a press conference,

674
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 8: on the House floor, you know, debating a bill in

675
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 8: a committee room, right in a markup or a hearing,

676
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 8: asking questions to the other side or to a witness.

677
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 8: So I know they're stretching, but I'm just wondering tactically

678
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 8: if it was the right thing. I really don't have

679
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 8: an answer. I have my initial impression and my like,

680
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 8: I am relentless right now about going to find the one.

681
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 8: I don't know who the one is, but I feel

682
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 8: like I'll know them when I see them. To the

683
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 8: point of losing my voice. It is the person that

684
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 8: does not ordinarily come to the things that we go to.

685
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 8: It is the person that you know would find some

686
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 8: of what we are striving to do uncomfortable. It is

687
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 8: the person that is like, why are you doing that?

688
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: Like?

689
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 8: Who cares that person? How do we reach them? Because

690
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 8: that is the person that won this last election. Maybe

691
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 8: they won this last election.

692
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm talking about I stay at home.

693
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 8: That's who I'm talking about, the apathy, Like numerically they

694
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 8: won the election, yes, yes, So I'm saying.

695
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: For those who decided the president, there's a different I

696
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: think there's a different equation for the formula of person

697
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: that showed out and decided that Donald Trump should be president.

698
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 8: Again, I'm not talking about them when I'm saying numerically,

699
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 8: I'm talking about the one who stayed home, because numerically

700
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 8: that is who won the election.

701
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 5: But that isn't who's governing. I guess that's where I

702
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 5: love to.

703
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 8: Well kind of because their apathy means that anything goes,

704
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 8: anything goes as the reason why this man is in

705
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 8: the White House. So I hear your point, but I'm

706
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 8: just saying numerically, apathy just the thing that we have

707
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 8: to reach them or we're going to stay here. And

708
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 8: staying here is dangerous for all of us. Whether they

709
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 8: specually chose him, they were apathetic, or they did not

710
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 8: choose him, we're all suffering the same consequence. So how

711
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 8: do we reach the apathetic? How do we reach the

712
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 8: people that said not me, I don't want anything to

713
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 8: do with this. Maybe they weren't apathetic, Maybe they just

714
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 8: chose not to participate. I want to find them. I

715
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 8: am desperately trying to find them.

716
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: Is it possible, though, that what they do with the

717
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: member of Congress did, frankly, should just be one more

718
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: thing that we put on the menu of options that

719
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: we get to exercise and trying to figure this thing out,

720
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: because I sctually think it's everything all at once, all

721
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: the time multiplied.

722
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: That's what I think the pushback is.

723
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: Because Donald Trump has a big footprint, and unfortunately that

724
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: road show that he's got is exactly what traditional cable

725
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: news and even traditional news is apt to follow. It

726
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: is entertaining by and large for a lot of people

727
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: until the consequences show up at your doorstep. That's how

728
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: we see these videos of people who went out and

729
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: I had a Trump flag, and then I was the

730
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: first one laid off, and I didn't think it was

731
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: gonna happen, And I'm thinking, are you kidding me?

732
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: So it was gonna be good for everybody else?

733
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: And you thought everybody else was the person who was

734
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: a slacker on the job that wasn't working and deserved

735
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: to be fired. But when the slacker on the job

736
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: who deserved to be fired showed up to be you,

737
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: then this was all a bad choice, a bad decision.

738
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: And I just I think his appetite for media, not

739
00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: just consumption but media shaping is so it's so insatiable

740
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: that we're not going to beat him at that game.

741
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: But we all to be, we ought to be, in

742
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: my opinion, fighting on all alternative platforms as well as

743
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: on the ones that he's on. So I think it's

744
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: everything all at once, all the time multiplied. That's the strategy.

745
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's any I think it's a noble

746
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: effort to talk to apathetic people because there are so

747
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: many right now. But I just want to crystallize the

748
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: point that I don't think apathy won the election, Like

749
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: the math doesn't support that white people won the election. Overwhelmingly,

750
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Speaker 1: like he drove out the highest voter turnout among white

751
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: people since black people got the right to vote. The

752
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: narrative in legacy media has been, you know, people stayed home,

753
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I cannot put the failure

754
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: in his democracy at our feet. You know, I think

755
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: the overwhelming I didn't say you said that, Angela. I'm

756
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 1: just making my point, but but go ahead.

757
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Speaker 8: No, I just to say, just for clarity, because it

758
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Speaker 8: happens a lot on the show, I did not say that.

759
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 8: So I just want to make sure that is not

760
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 8: what people take out of this that I'm saying black

761
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 8: people did it.

762
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Speaker 6: I am not.

763
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, just my own individual point that I'm making

764
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: independent of anybody else's point is that white people overwhelmingly

765
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: voted for this man, and they were not confused about it.

766
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: This whole idea of oh well, I didn't like they

767
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Speaker 1: knowingly cast a ballot for this man. And to be honest,

768
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to combat that. I don't know,

769
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: if you know, if we showed up as fourteen percent

770
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Speaker 1: of this society overwhelmingly and you know, again, I know

771
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: people are tired to be sound and hopeless, but like,

772
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we have the numbers to change it,

773
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: and I'm just starting to feel like, if this is

774
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: what y'all want, then take it. Like I honestly, I like,

775
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: where can we have peace? Where can we have reprieve?

776
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: Where can we live? You know, It's like the jay

777
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Z line, can I live? If this is what you

778
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: all will choose time and again, then it's just frustrating

779
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: to constant have to live in constant battle. And since

780
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: the inception of this country, it feels like there has

781
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: never been a time for peace for black folks. We

782
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: have always had to battle them for something that they

783
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, maybe some people will feign ignorance later and

784
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: say I didn't know, but I have to call out

785
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: bes like, no, you did know. You voted for this

786
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: is what you want. Everything is happening is what you

787
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: wanted to happen, and that's why you cast this ballot.

788
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know if, like when

789
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: we tap into the apathetic, are we tapping into them

790
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: to participate in this system to create a mass exodus

791
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: out of this system to take cover while this system

792
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: works itself out. I just don't I don't even know.

793
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm of the point now where I'm

794
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: like on some build community and communes and go off

795
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: the grid. I don't even know what that looks like,

796
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: but it seems to be that kind of because I

797
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: don't know where this goes next. If we're here at

798
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: barely one hundred days in, where do we go next?

799
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Speaker 8: If I may Andrew just really quick on the mass

800
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 8: because I'm not good at maths, so I have to

801
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 8: go back and check my math sometimes. According to this

802
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 8: piece in the Guardian, it says that it is estimated

803
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 8: that close to ninety million Americans, roughly thirty six percent

804
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 8: of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. CNN

805
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 8: has so that's ninety million. So I decided to make

806
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 8: sure because I know I can be really bad at math.

807
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 8: Kamala Harris obtained seventy five a little over seventy five

808
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 8: million votes. Donald Trump obtained a little over seventy seven

809
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 8: point three million votes. So again, it is estimated that

810
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 8: close to ninety million Americans, roughly thirty six percent of

811
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 8: the eligible voting age population, did not vote. I'm not

812
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 8: resting this at the like, there's not even that many

813
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 8: black people. I'm not putting this on black folks. I

814
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 8: am asking and pleading with people to help me find

815
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 8: the folks who are of voting age who did not

816
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 8: participate so we can understand why, so we can change

817
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 8: that system. I don't know that continuing it. I mean,

818
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 8: white folks who voted for Trump definitely did. White folks

819
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 8: who voted against Kamala Harris definitely won the election in

820
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 8: terms of who took the oath of office. But the

821
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 8: people who won by apathy still outpaced Donald Trump and

822
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 8: Kamala Harris. So that to me is the push even

823
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 8: for this tour, there are too many black folks who

824
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 8: are of voting age also who didn't not participate. I

825
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 8: want to reach them first. Those are my people, right,

826
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 8: But I also want to try to tap into why

827
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 8: people could have such an awesome responsibility and not engaged.

828
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Speaker 6: And I think think.

829
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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I think your point of

830
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: of apathy winning the election is simply it could be

831
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: a philosophical difference or a semantical one, because at the

832
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: end of the day, where I draw, where I draw

833
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: conclusion around who won is who governs. But I understand

834
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: the point of how many, what percentage of people chose

835
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: not to participate in truth. Every candidate, every political committee,

836
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: every pack we can think of, with the exception of

837
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: some of what Elon Musk did as a way of

838
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: dangling money out to people, if you show up, you

839
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: can get one hundred dollars here and a ten thousand

840
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: and a million here. Aside from that, all the political

841
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: quote smart money is not on going after that ninety

842
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: plus million at all. All the political smart money, supposedly,

843
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: if you want to call it smart, is going toward

844
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: persuading those who you know are on the chessboard and

845
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: will vote, to come out and vote your way. It's

846
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: why a lot of campaigns don't put a bunch of

847
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: money into voter registration, quite frankly, because they're really not

848
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: interested in turning out the unknown. They don't want the

849
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: people who they're not sure how they're going to perform

850
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: to actually show up. That's why they make the laws harder. Nobody,

851
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: no politician I know, wants unpredictability in the system. They're

852
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: very similar to money markets. Money markets hate the unpredicted,

853
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: the unpredictable. Politicians governmental initusians those who are competing and

854
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: combating for power. They hate the unknown unless the unknown

855
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: is really known to them, which is, if I pump

856
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: this number and it shows up, they're voting for me.

857
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: It used to be going theory that if an election

858
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: was a high turnout election, the end result would be

859
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: a Democrat would win. That used to be the status

860
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: quote for decades. Well guess what Donald Trump enters the formula.

861
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: He turns it on his head. And now when we

862
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: see high turnout, Democrats get nervous because we believe high

863
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: turnout is going to result and Donald Trump and Republicans winning.

864
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: That's been a topsy turvey of a system that I've

865
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: understood and that I've studied, and that I've competed in

866
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: for over two decades as a as an elected official

867
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: myself or a candidate for election.

868
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Speaker 3: And the math.

869
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Speaker 2: The worst part about the math is that the money

870
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Speaker 2: is not going to follow going for the person who

871
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Speaker 2: you're not sure how they're going to perform. In fact,

872
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: I think the money is going to exacerbate itself on

873
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: the side of if you are a voter who I

874
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: can guarantee that if I turn you out, you're going

875
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: to vote my way. That's where the big money and

876
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: the smart money is going to continue to be. And

877
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: that's going to be undemocratizing to that ninety plus million

878
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: and all who join them afterwards, because they's still not

879
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: going to feel heard, seen or reflected in the government,

880
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: because the government is going to get further and further

881
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: estranged from them. And that's exactly the way the systems

882
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: of power that turn want it to work.

883
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Speaker 1: It just feels like, because we even the numbers when

884
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: you disaggregate that by race, he had the highest number

885
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Speaker 1: of whites, Like he turned out white voters intentionally with

886
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: his racism, with his tropes. He turned out this was

887
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the third highest turnout for black voters. You know what

888
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, no, we participated, not all of us,

889
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: and surely and even our voting turnout in general, which

890
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I think speaks to your point, Angela, like we've never

891
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: had most of our population turnout when it comes to voting,

892
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: but black votes like we showed up. We turned out

893
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Speaker 1: more for Vice President Harris than we did for Biden.

894
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: And it's also the it highlighted the gap between Latino

895
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Speaker 1: voters and Black voters for the first time, which was

896
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: also a wide gap. And it feels like, if this

897
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: is what we are looking at, then where do we

898
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: go from here, you know, because like if fine, if

899
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Speaker 1: we're going to tap into the apathetic, then what are

900
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: we tapping in them to say? Like, what are we

901
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: asking them to do? Because it can't be you know,

902
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: we need you all to vote next time, like no, no, no, no, no. First,

903
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: we need you to believe in something. So what is

904
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: the sum thing that we're asking them to believe in?

905
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: And right now I don't know. The only thing I

906
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: can believe in is US, That's it. We were having

907
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: a conversation some friends and I and we were saying

908
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: somebody asked, well, at what point because people are concerned

909
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump concerned the military on people, and they

910
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: were asking, well, at what point do the people in

911
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: the military do the rank and file say no, this

912
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: isn't right. And I black women make up a disproportionate

913
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Speaker 1: amount of people in the military, like we and I'm like,

914
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Speaker 1: that's the only people I can count on. I can

915
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: trust that black women will not, in service to this country,

916
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Speaker 1: turn their weapons on me. I put my life on it.

917
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Speaker 1: Literally beyond that, I don't know. I have no belief

918
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Speaker 1: in no one but us. When I say us, I

919
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Speaker 1: mean black people. I don't just mean black women. But yeah,

920
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: I have my safety relies on us and resides in US.

921
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Speaker 1: So it is I mean, it is a moment in

922
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: time really to just take I don't jump out there

923
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: and comment on every little thing. Like sometimes you know,

924
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: the bookers will call and they want you and it's like,

925
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm not playing that game anymore, you know, because this

926
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: person said something, you want me to respond, and this

927
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: person want to come to do sixty seconds on this subject.

928
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: It's too serious for that right now, you know, Like

929
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I just need to take a moment and observe

930
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Speaker 1: what is happening and gather my thoughts, gather my spirit

931
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Speaker 1: because I just, yeah, I don't know where we go

932
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Speaker 1: from here. I really don't can. I think.

933
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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I think the small

934
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Speaker 2: wins is where I think I'm finding some comfort. I

935
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Speaker 2: think I took a lot of courage from watching what

936
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Speaker 2: Harvard did and seeing some of the other institutions, academic

937
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: institutional leadership stand up and basically applaud them and say

938
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Speaker 2: you know here here, you know, keep going, And then

939
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: to watch that frankly, the Republican the the Trump administration

940
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: back up and say that letter shouldn't have been sent.

941
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: We shouldn't have said what we said. Now the question

942
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Speaker 2: is is all y'all going to restore the funding and

943
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Speaker 2: the way that it's supposed to be. And obviously the

944
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Speaker 2: bigger question is going to be how the courts ultimately

945
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Speaker 2: decide here. But I agree with you that it's hard

946
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Speaker 2: to find faith that the institutions as they were designed

947
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Speaker 2: are going I don't think they predicted that this was

948
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Speaker 2: going to be who you know, they would operate this way,

949
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Speaker 2: and that their effect was going to be not to

950
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Speaker 2: the dismemberment of black folk exclusively, but that the effect

951
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: was going to be on them as well. And now

952
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: that's the only time I think we see this administration

953
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: backing up in any real way is when they hear

954
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Speaker 2: from their people that, oh, no, no, no, you miscalculated this.

955
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: That program Secretary HEXXF that you just got rid of

956
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: that sets women up for greater achievement within the military.

957
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: You just voided and said, this woke stuff is over.

958
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: Was created by your president, signed into law by first

959
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump adminished he put it into law. And guess

960
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: what the major sponsor in the Senate was Marco Rubio

961
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Speaker 2: as a senator and now US Secretary of State.

962
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Speaker 3: And guests who sponsored it in the House.

963
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Speaker 2: Christy nom your Homeland Security advisor turned centerfold. I mean

964
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Speaker 2: that picture, you.

965
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Speaker 3: Know, the blowout and all that stuff.

966
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the point is real that these folks, they

967
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: were they pushed it themselves. And you put out tweets

968
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: decrying this as woke policy. Well, that's woke policy from

969
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: your colleagues, former cabinet members, the Secretary of Homeland Security

970
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: and the third highest ranking individual in the government, the

971
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Speaker 2: Secretary of State.

972
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Speaker 3: That's where that came from.

973
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Speaker 2: And so only then do they get quieted and just

974
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Speaker 2: a little bit because they don't apologize.

975
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Speaker 3: They don't say this was a mistake.

976
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Speaker 2: Right, but there is no safety to be found there

977
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, And you're ex' you're you're exceedingly right

978
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: that those in this country as apathetic have largely largely

979
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Speaker 2: continued to stay out of the system.

980
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Speaker 5: But I don't want people to think that that's a

981
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 5: new advent. The the the.

982
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: Extension of the ability to vote, period has always intended.

983
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Speaker 3: To exclude the majority.

984
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: Again, only property owning white men were originally allowed to vote,

985
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: not all white men. And so when that when that

986
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: franchise got extended to non property owning white people. That

987
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: was another layer of enfranchising. And then two black folk

988
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: black you know, and then of course we have we

989
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: already you know the history around the clap back there.

990
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: But these have been gradual inclusions that the government in

991
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: this country didn't start with an assumption of radical inclusion

992
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Speaker 2: of everybody.

993
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: But that's another thing, the lack of knowledge of history,

994
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: the lack of curiosity about history. I mean, when you

995
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: look at the American Revolution, most people don't know what

996
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: the mary of you asked, somebody, tell me what was

997
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War about? Like, how did that that come

998
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: to be? I mean it's quite cyclical. I mean that

999
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: in itself was about out terrorifts. And the way we

1000
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: tell the story is like all these poor American, poor

1001
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: brave Americans, was like no, y'all didn't want to pay

1002
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: your fair share like that. That was always part of

1003
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: the problem. So it's really nothing new under this sign

1004
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: right precisely, I know we're coming up on time. I

1005
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: just want to play a quick snippet with a conversation

1006
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: I had with Ricaya Diallo about how people one about

1007
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: where we are in the globe US as community and

1008
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: how people are perceiving the United States, because as you

1009
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: all know, in France they handled Marine Lapin with much

1010
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: more I think, righteousness and caution than we did Donald Trump.

1011
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: This week Canada had an election. They elected Mark Carney

1012
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: as their new prime minister, and I don't know that

1013
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: he would have won had it not been for Donald Trump.

1014
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: It was a fight against America. People across the globe

1015
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: have been warning about a rising authoritarian government in the

1016
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: United States, and so Richai Diallo is just a fascinating

1017
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: intellectual out of Paris who I think is strikingly beautiful

1018
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: and other things. And I was able to chat with

1019
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: her for Michael Harriet's Catreman camp. But I'd like to

1020
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: just play a little of that sound and get your

1021
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: thoughts on the other side, please.

1022
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Speaker 11: Mario Marichal Lupen, who is the niece of Marinupen, one

1023
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 11: of the leaders of the Faraight, was invited to the

1024
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 11: US to speak in front of you know people, MAGA

1025
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 11: people so like the It's they're very well organized and

1026
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 11: they are really really good to spread the ideas, you know,

1027
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 11: across the both sides of the Atlantic. And you know what,

1028
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 11: when Vance came in Germany in January, he you know,

1029
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 11: he pointed out the idea of the enemy from within,

1030
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 11: and we know that he's really targeting us, you know,

1031
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 11: black people, Muslim who was supposedly not really Europeans, and

1032
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 11: him coming from the US just you know, fueling hate

1033
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 11: against us is really putting us into danger. And it's

1034
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 11: something that is really well organized globally.

1035
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: So that's the thing that's interesting to me. They are

1036
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: well organized globally, and I wonder, are we right something

1037
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: that happens here in America. There are some people, a

1038
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: small sect of people, who feel like we have to

1039
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: worry about us, We have to worry about the people

1040
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: who are direct descendants of the enslaved from here in America.

1041
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: You and I are both survivors of white supremacy, our

1042
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: families or survivors of white supremacy. I am the descendant

1043
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: of the enslaved here. You are not the descendant of

1044
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: enslaved yet still you have been harmed right by by

1045
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: white people, and so I feel solidarity with you. You know,

1046
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: I understand when you're talking. It's like, yes, I understand

1047
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. I wonder as we navigate this,

1048
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: there are a lot of black people here who are

1049
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: looking to flee, you know, expats who are saying I

1050
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: have to leave a mayor, And I just wonder if

1051
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: we had solidarity across the globe how that might look,

1052
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, if we could organize as well to provide

1053
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: each other safety. They're the same. The system that's oppressing

1054
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: you is oppressing me. And I just wonder your thoughts

1055
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: on what it looks like for us to unite globally

1056
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: as the global majority. What might solidarity among all of

1057
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Speaker 1: us across the globe look like.

1058
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Speaker 11: I tend to think that the knowledge is power. Just

1059
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 11: knowing what happens to you here, what's happening to us

1060
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 11: there in Europe, but also what's happening to people in Brazil,

1061
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 11: for example, is something that really makes us stronger and

1062
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 11: makes us understand how it's you know, it operates globally.

1063
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 11: And also the fact that it's way easier for me

1064
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 11: to speak here in the US than it is in France,

1065
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 11: and I guess that it would be easier for you

1066
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 11: to speak about what's going on in the US in France,

1067
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 11: and here we need to use our privileges to speak

1068
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 11: out about, you know, local situations of people that that

1069
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 11: that the mainstream don't want to see.

1070
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Speaker 1: One of the interesting things she said was that when

1071
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: Marien La Penn was sentenced, the first people to speak

1072
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: out about it donald Trump and other dictators around the

1073
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Speaker 1: country and how, uh, you know, as black folks in

1074
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Speaker 1: in Paris, how they're looking at America versus how America

1075
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Speaker 1: has looked at everyone else. It was really a fascinating conversation.

1076
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Speaker 1: I told her. Angela's like, you're like the Angela Riah

1077
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Speaker 1: Paris because she's well known, you know, people stop her.

1078
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Speaker 1: And she was like, I consider that such a huge compliment,

1079
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, it was really sweet. And

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Speaker 1: they haven't I've been trying to We were in Paris

1081
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: and she wasn't there, but I've been trying to make

1082
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Speaker 1: sure that she met our cohort. But you can hear

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Speaker 1: more of that at Contraband camp. I did that were my.

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00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: Father that it was such a It was acknowledgement that

1085
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: you can get an audience and reach people in France

1086
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: when she camp and similarly when she's in the US. Yeah,

1087
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: it goes back to that old saying it's hard to

1088
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: be a profit in your own land and that you

1089
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: know you'll get underminded where you are, but you go

1090
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: somewhere else in your genius, expert but right where you are,

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00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: right where you're doing the work, is all the undermining

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: your question though, around what might solidarity and sort of

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00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: shared pain struggle overcoming relief look like if the folks

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00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 2: who are oppressed around the country were to find solidarity

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00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 2: with each other. And I think I understood her point

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00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: to be basically, wherever you are, continue to activate, share

1097
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: those stories because we all get power from that. And

1098
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: maybe it's not us exporting ourselves to some remote island,

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00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: but rather changing the systems, upending the systems. And then

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: the people who you know, we're the proprieties previously are

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00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: the ones who are like, we got to get someplace,

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00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: we got to go. Shouldn't say that, But I understood

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00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: it to be uniformity in our fight, you know, maybe

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00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: that we turn the tables and we win.

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00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of you and it's not I've noticed

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00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Sixty Minutes did a great piece this week on people

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: leaving the United States because they've studied special areas of

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: expertise in the medical community that are no longer supported

1109
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: by the NHS, and so now they are taking their talent.

1110
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: So we are making it harder for it. Take that excisely,

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00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: we are making it harder for immigrants to come to

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00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: this country who contribute to our economy and to our

1113
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, intellectual capabilities at large, and we are sending

1114
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: our brightest away, and we are home growing a lot

1115
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: of domestic terrorists in my opinions, who prioritize white man

1116
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: rule and who who lack any sort of curiosity about people.

1117
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just a dangerous time and

1118
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what tomorrow brings. So in the midst

1119
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: of all, well, I was just gonna say, and in

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00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: the midst of all that we have to find pockets.

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00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 5: Of joy on the other side of this break.

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01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: That's when we'll get into what Angela has been out

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Speaker 2: there listening, seeing, hearing and giving on the set of

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Speaker 2: the People Tour.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned, We'll be right back, Angela.

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Speaker 1: I did want to tell you, I know because you

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: have to go, but I did want to tell you

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: a lot of the comments last week were of great concern,

1129
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: and they're like Angela's in her voice, and Andrew don't

1130
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: call them Angela, and is she getting rest? So I

1131
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: think people just want to hear how you're doing and

1132
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about the tour where you're

1133
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: heading next to anything about that, Well, I'm sitting in

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Speaker 1: Saint Mark ami Zion Church in Durham, North Carolinas. Uh,

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: the ami Zions are different, but sure we can show

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: you the Zion. Yes, Ammi's and the Kojis are actually

1137
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: official official partners on the tour.

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Speaker 6: This has been incredible.

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01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 8: In Durham, we had a meeting, a town hall meeting

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Speaker 8: in another am church, Saint Joseph's right by North Carolina

1141
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 8: Central yesterday. This is also right by North Carolina Central.

1142
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Speaker 8: What was fascinating about that conversation as we were sitting

1143
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 8: there at a church that was established in eighteen sixty

1144
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 8: nine and so they're used to doing this kind of

1145
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 8: organizing work around our freedom and our liberation. There was

1146
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 8: going to be a setup where the moderator asked the

1147
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 8: questions for the audience, and instead, as you all know,

1148
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 8: we always choose to hear directly from the folks. What's

1149
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 8: your name and where are you from? I walk with

1150
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 8: the mike and we had this brother, his name is Bradford.

1151
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 8: Shout out to Bradford talked about black folks not knowing

1152
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 8: what time it is really talked about, like developing his

1153
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 8: own alkaline water plant, talked about the ways in which

1154
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 8: he farms. I'm gonna visit his farm Thursday morning before

1155
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 8: I I'm changing my stuff so i can go to this.

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Speaker 6: Farm Thursday morning.

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Speaker 8: And what he said was there are certain things we

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01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 8: need to get in place for the times ahead. And

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 8: what I'm thinking about is the fact that if this

1160
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 8: timeline that is projected. There's a CNBC article that came

1161
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 8: out that's talking about if the tariffs are to have

1162
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 8: the economic impact that is suspected, there will be goods,

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01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 8: significant amount of goods not on shelves in May, just

1164
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 8: in a couple of weeks. So if we don't know

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01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 8: what time it is now, and we can't come together

1166
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 8: during the state of the People power toward to determine

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 8: how we will take care of ourselves in this moment,

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Speaker 8: I don't know what we're gonna do, but Bradford's assignment

1169
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 8: is to give us the top five things that black

1170
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 8: people need to do to hunker down and survive in

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Speaker 8: this moment. I think that the shelves will look like

1172
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 8: they did during COVID. I think that we will have

1173
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 8: the same type of water shortage as paper towels toilet

1174
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 8: paper that we do that we did during COVID and

1175
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 8: it's again based on the cnbcpiece. I'm gonna make sure

1176
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 8: that we actually get it as a link for our audience.

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Speaker 8: But Apollo Global Management put out a report about this,

1178
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 8: and I think that we should look into it. The

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01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 8: other thing that I was going to say is we

1180
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 8: will be well when y'all hear this podcast, either we

1181
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 8: will be in Birmingham or having just left Birmingham. Over

1182
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 8: the weekend, We're going everywhere from New Orleans to Louisville,

1183
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 8: to Los Angeles to Detroit, and we asked that you

1184
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 8: sign on. If you can't sign on, watch the live stream.

1185
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 8: Watch the live stream from Atlanta this past weekend. It

1186
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 8: was incredible and the energy just feels so good.

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Speaker 6: I also just.

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 8: Want to shout out our research producer Lolo, because life

1189
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 8: still lives, and human beings, even on this tour a

1190
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 8: still having a very human experience. Lolo lost her cousins

1191
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 8: over the weekend and a tragic car acit in and

1192
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 8: I'm saying that to say that our first priority on

1193
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 8: this tour is not pushing policy or chastising people for

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01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 8: what they did or didn't do. It's about taking care

1195
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 8: of the human being first. So we have to first

1196
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 8: ask each other, even on this podcast, what do you need?

1197
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 8: What do you need? Are you okay? And wait and

1198
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 8: listen for the answer and see if it's the need

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 8: that you can solve. Whether you're a listener or you're

1200
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 8: a host, you're a producer, what do you need? We

1201
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 8: get so short with each other. I was mad at

1202
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 8: Nick earlier today, but I.

1203
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 6: Was like, put me in the game, coach, what are

1204
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 6: we doing? Like I want to hear what Tiffany Andrew

1205
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 6: are saying. I want to come in here some abo uh.

1206
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Speaker 8: But I think that even in that, like we're such

1207
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 8: in a rush to give people information, we can't run

1208
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 8: over the humans that help us pull this off every

1209
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 8: single week. So I love y'all. I appreciate your patience

1210
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 8: with me and my voice during this time. I hope

1211
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 8: it comes back. If not, I'm just going to be

1212
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 8: a ruspie raspet.

1213
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 6: Donkey voice.

1214
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: In the church and church the past.

1215
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 6: I was saying, raspy asking question.

1216
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Ray asking questions.

1217
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 8: For a little while, but just praying that it comes back,

1218
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 8: because it's really annoying. I like that boy anyway, I

1219
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 8: want to I just woke up all day.

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Speaker 6: I woke I like it.

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: I want to know more about the guy when you

1222
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: go to the farm, if you can take video that

1223
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: maybe we can share if he's comfortable, Because I'm telling

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: y'all that's what I want right now, Like how what

1225
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: do you need? How canna be?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 1: And if this dude is like, what do we need?

1228
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: And he got well water and he's like, let's build community.

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly becauseated oh I thought he had will okay,

1230
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: Because I mean there is something. There is something to that,

1231
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: to us growing our own food, you know, as the

1232
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: FDA is falling apart, there is something as we used

1233
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: to there's something to us building community. And when I

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01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: say building community, I don't mean in the abstract way.

1235
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean literally building homes in areas close to each

1236
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: other where we can be there for each other and

1237
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: have our own you know, marketplace with each other, recreating

1238
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: what used to exist, you know, the nineteenth right in

1239
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: the early part of the nineteenth century.

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Speaker 6: I just.

1241
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: And later and I just means that they destroyed it all,

1242
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, So the Red Summer.

1243
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: And the only reason why I say later is because

1244
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 2: some folks may think we had to be here during

1245
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: slave day, you know, enslavement periods to have known what

1246
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: it felt like to grow your own.

1247
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 5: That's not sure, and it doesn't take all that.

1248
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean, as a kid, I have very vivid memories

1249
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: of in the backyard picking lettuce, picking collar greens, shelling.

1250
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 5: I mean, we grew every kind of fruit.

1251
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: Now I lived in Miami at that point, but my

1252
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: grandmother and grandfather taught us that we fished for you know,

1253
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: for fish, we had chickens, for poultry. I mean there

1254
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: was we didn't have to rely on it, but we

1255
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: still grew it, we still planted it, we still picked it.

1256
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: And I did that as a kid.

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: And so it shouldn't feel so remote and like another

1258
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: worldish for folks to think about. Tiff, the kind of

1259
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: I think beloved community that you described where we where

1260
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: we do rely on and take care of ourselves. And

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Speaker 2: Angela to your earlier point around shells being empty, you

1262
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: had the CEOs of Walmart, you had major sort of

1263
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: leaders of industry in the retail space. Get down to

1264
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: the White House and say, mister President, I want to

1265
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: predict for you that we're going to have empty shells.

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 3: There will be shells that.

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01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: Are empty in this country if the tears stay as

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: they are. So it is if it happens, y'all, it

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: ain't because they didn't know about it, which out to

1270
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: send us really spiraling in concern. If it happens, it's

1271
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: not because the government didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Can I just tell y'all where I go on this weekend?

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01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: I am headed back to Michael Harriet's house.

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 3: I love speaking just what I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: This man could build a whole community on his property.

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: He I won't say exactly where he lives, but he

1277
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: in the backwoods somewhere like completely mostly off the grid,

1278
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: but got acres on acres on acres, and it is

1279
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: it looks like a museum the way that he has

1280
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: constructed his house. It's a former plantation. The slave quarters

1281
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: are still he like fixed them up, and his mother

1282
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: in law lives and he got his mom in law

1283
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: living in the slave quarters. But it's like a beautiful

1284
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: it's like a four bedroom house. Its beautiful. But it's

1285
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: just such a great place to write and research and read.

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01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: And you know, he's such a historian and an intellectual person.

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01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: Just to have conversation with him and his wife, who's

1288
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: amazing too. So I'm going back there for the for

1289
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: a little while to write, read and research and just connect,

1290
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: but also explore what it looks like. That's why when

1291
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: Angela said that, I perked up, like, wait, he got

1292
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: a farm. He's doing what. I really would love for

1293
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: us to get back to that. And I think with

1294
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: the what we're going, it might be.

1295
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: It might be.

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Speaker 1: Angela, if you said, like, I'm gonna buy property in

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Speaker 1: Mississippi and I'm thinking of just being If you said

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy property in Mississippi'm gonna be a pioneer

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna buy some property in Mississippi and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna build up this place who down, I promise you

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what, I'm open to that. Andrew.

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Speaker 1: If you're like, I'm getting acres, if you say Florida,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would be completely open to that because

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Speaker 1: I think that's what the ancestors did for us when

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Speaker 1: they did the Great migration North. It might be time.

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Speaker 3: Come on and talk about I mean.

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Speaker 8: Have farmers we have like acre Boys. There's a group

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Speaker 8: called acre Boys. I can't remember if I told you

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Speaker 8: on this show. The Acre Boys came to the Atlanta Step.

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Speaker 8: They're giving away an acre of land during our tour.

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Speaker 8: They're giving away an acre of land. They want to

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Speaker 8: give away more, but they need sponsors to buy it.

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Speaker 8: They wanted to give away an acre in every stop.

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Speaker 1: That would be great guests. If they would make great guests.

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Speaker 8: They would love to come on here. Let's have them

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Speaker 8: on next week, love to they would love to come

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Speaker 8: on there. In fact, they already have a show. A

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Speaker 8: lot of people followed them. They did a workshop that

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Speaker 8: was packed telling people about how to acquire land in

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Speaker 8: the process.

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Speaker 6: Super good, so they would love to do that.

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Speaker 2: I think we should also couple doctor Kanisihah Grant and

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Speaker 2: some of the others who are extensibly extensively on this

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Speaker 2: on the great migration and what it would take for

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Speaker 2: reversal migration in some places where I mean, Mississippi, ain't

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Speaker 2: that far from folks becoming a majority, from the people

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Speaker 2: of color becoming a majority, and yet it's a state

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Speaker 2: that is almost fiftieth out of fiftieth and nearly everything

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Speaker 2: because of their refusal to invest in our people, our community,

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Speaker 2: and they failed to realize that a rising tide really

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Speaker 2: does lift all boats. You invest in this group of people,

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Speaker 2: all y'all gonna make money. It may not even be

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Speaker 2: our attention. It just happens to happen that way when

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Speaker 2: you do it the right way. But they're not they're

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Speaker 2: not committed to that. But I think that'd be a

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Speaker 2: fascinating conversation to began, because most people think it's just

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Speaker 2: out of touch and out of reach, and I think

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Speaker 2: they need to hear and feel some real examples of

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Speaker 2: where as possible.

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Speaker 6: I agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know Angela has to go. She's going to

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Speaker 1: lead a workshop. You are headed to North Carolina, Alabama.

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Speaker 8: In North Carolina, we go to Birmingham next. So we

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Speaker 8: have a rally tonight based on when this is recorded

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Speaker 8: and we have Birmingham of next.

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Speaker 1: Well, safe travels on the road, congrats on everything happened

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Speaker 1: on the State of the People tour.

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Speaker 3: We can't wait to join.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will be joining on one of the stops,

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Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that and listen you guys. We

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Speaker 1: L to find out where the tour is going next.

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Speaker 1: So that wraps our show for today. We had we

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Speaker 1: covered a lot had some technical difficulty. Shout out to you, Nick,

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Speaker 1: I know we were all probably giving you the blues today,

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Speaker 1: but thank you for keeping us together. I promise Nick

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be here early and I wasn't. So Nick,

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Speaker 1: Nick does a great job for all of us. So

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Speaker 1: thank you to producer Nick Research, Lo loo E, p Lauren,

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Speaker 1: Podfather Chris and all the people who keep us going.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate you, guys. We are your hosts Angela Rie,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum. Welcome home, y'all. There are

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Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty one days until midterm elections. If

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Speaker 1: they in fact, we'll see y'all.

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Speaker 6: Why I said number not going down last morning.

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Speaker 12: info on all of the latest Rock Gulam and Cross

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Speaker 12: connective to the statements.

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Speaker 3: That you leave on our socials. Thank you for the.

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