Speaker 1: Warning today's episode, Today's spoiler's for Gladiator too, So if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, you want to see it. You've
Speaker 1: been waiting for a decade plus twenty to almost twenty years?
Speaker 1: Has it been twenty actually twenty twenty four years since
Speaker 1: since the release of the original Gladiator to get the sequel,
Speaker 1: then go watch it and then come back to us.
Speaker 2: We'll be here.
Speaker 3: Hello.
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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we're gonna be looking at the box
Speaker 4: office and asking the question, is Glicked the new Barbenheimer?
Speaker 4: I'm more interested in Baby Ratu, So listen to learn
Speaker 4: about that terrifying double bill. In the airlock, we will
Speaker 4: be talking a wide ranging discussion about Gladiator to Revenge
Speaker 4: is here? Is it good? Is it bad? Is it fun?
Speaker 4: What was Ridley Scott's last good movie? We will be
Speaker 4: tapping into producer. We're gonna talk about it and we're
Speaker 4: gonna see what happens.
Speaker 1: But first previously on First Up Glad eat Or two
Speaker 1: and Wickeder Box AMA's Prodigions.
Speaker 4: So this is kind of unbelievable to me, but I
Speaker 4: guess we'll see if it happens. Wicked is expected to
Speaker 4: pull in a hundred Jason, watch out. They're gonna scoop
Speaker 4: you for the sequel part two. It's coming there. It's
Speaker 4: expected to pull one hundred and twenty five million to
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million domestic opening this weekend. That's
Speaker 4: why it go hear well. I have been very interested
Speaker 4: to see how positive the reviews have been from all
Speaker 4: kinds of spaces. The trailers have not been showcasing the
Speaker 4: best of the movie, apparently, and apparently on the big
Speaker 4: screen it looks a lot more like a traditional, beautiful
Speaker 4: Hollywood classic than the kind of, you know, heavily cged
Speaker 4: version that we're seeing when it translates to trailers. I'm
Speaker 4: interested to see how that goes. And I do love Wicked,
Speaker 4: so I'm a sucker. I will be there.
Speaker 1: I remember reading the book.
Speaker 4: Oh Man, Me Too when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: In like in high school or something, and being like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, this is awesome, and never expecting that they'd
Speaker 1: make it into it.
Speaker 4: No and the and yeah, the songs of bangers and
Speaker 4: it's gonna be This has been a wild press tour,
Speaker 4: so that's gonna be one that lives in infamy, and
Speaker 4: it will be interesting to see how it does. Also,
Speaker 4: you know that they think the movie is going to
Speaker 4: be successful because they've already announced the on Christmas Day
Speaker 4: they will be releasing a singer long version that actually
Speaker 4: has all the words and everything and kind of encourages singing,
Speaker 4: So that'll be interesting and it's not just Wicked. Opening
Speaker 4: this weekend, we also have Gladiator two, which has already
Speaker 4: been a sizeable hit outside of the US, and it
Speaker 4: will be hitting stateside sixty million plus opening, so actually
Speaker 4: very similar Barbie Oppenheimer's styles. It will be the biggest
Speaker 4: start for an rated movie in November and the best
Speaker 4: ever three day total for Ridley Scott and star Denzel Washington.
Speaker 4: I also think this could go a little bit higher
Speaker 4: because of things like forty X and IMAX. It'll be
Speaker 4: interesting to see, and also we know that there's a
Speaker 4: lot of people who just love thinking about the Roman Empire.
Speaker 4: We are we are obsessed with the Roman Empire, as a.
Speaker 1: P as a race, as a human beings.
Speaker 4: We are obsessed with them. So that, yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be interesting. I do think this is the closest that
Speaker 4: we've had to a Bobenheimer. As much as every studio
Speaker 4: has tried to make it happen, I think this one,
Speaker 4: box office wise, is gonna be our closest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So next up is Ridley Scott and he's out here
Speaker 4: denying Denzel Washington's Gladiator. I'm sorry, Ridley Scott. I've seen
Speaker 4: Gladiator two and absolutely there were like twenty five moments
Speaker 4: where there were obviously could have been a gay kiss.
Speaker 4: I'm not believe in this, Ridley Scott.
Speaker 1: It is sprinkled all through it. So for those who
Speaker 1: of you who missed it, Denzel Washington referenced a same
Speaker 1: sex kiss that was in a Gladiator two but that
Speaker 1: he says was cut because the powers it be in
Speaker 1: the studio or wherever whoever got quote unquote chicken. Ridley
Speaker 1: Scott comes out and says, no, that's bullshit. They never
Speaker 1: did backed at the moment it didn't happen, he says. Now,
Speaker 1: Denzel said, just you know, just for context, ends it
Speaker 1: was saying it was just like a peck on the lips, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know. I grew up around
Speaker 1: a lot of Italians. There's a lot of saying on
Speaker 1: the cheek. Yeah, like there's a lot of guys kissing
Speaker 1: on the cheek, and that was very normal. That said,
Speaker 1: he continues, quote it really as much ado about nothing,
Speaker 1: Denzel said, they're making more of it than it was.
Speaker 1: I kissed him on his hands, I gave him a pack,
Speaker 1: and I killed him. I'll say this, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: spoiler his character backrod Is at one point says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like a guy sometimes too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But it's funny because throughout the movie and the screening,
Speaker 4: I was in like a home every time that he
Speaker 4: was seeing someone and being a little bit fruity with
Speaker 4: and we were like, this is why they cut it.
Speaker 4: This is where they cut the guess like, so sorry,
Speaker 4: It's it's just how it is, Ridley Scott. Everyone's always
Speaker 4: going to be thinking about Denzel's gay kiss that got
Speaker 4: cut because he's Denzel Washington. He's the best thing about
Speaker 4: the movie.
Speaker 1: Next up, spoiler alert, glad Eater Too is done historically accurate.
Speaker 4: Why did anyone think it was historically accurate. That's my
Speaker 4: first thing.
Speaker 1: Historian Charlotte Higgins has come out and said, it's none
Speaker 1: of this shit. You would have appaed there's no sharks
Speaker 1: the area. Da YadA, YadA, YadA. Don't worry about it, folks,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But yet, yes, historians are upset
Speaker 1: at Ridley Scott, yet again, continuing the theme from from Napoleon,
Speaker 1: where Napoleonic historians were equally as pissed at really Scott,
Speaker 1: they continue to be mad at him. He's a filmmaker,
Speaker 1: not historian. It's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of the funniest things. It's like
Speaker 4: they upset because like Denzel Washington drinks what looks like
Speaker 4: a coffee not around for a thousand years, or tea
Speaker 4: only has it at a cafe, there aren't any while
Speaker 4: reading a paper. Only China has paper, guys. Come on,
Speaker 4: it's like he's just He's just a guy reading a paper.
Speaker 4: Like it's fine, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Also, though, the criticism that the real Emperor Caracalla is
Speaker 1: like a tougher looking guy based on coins in his statue.
Speaker 1: Come on, we don't have a photo, right, who cares,
Speaker 1: so shut.
Speaker 2: Up, shut up?
Speaker 4: Is that that? I guess what? They didn't even know
Speaker 4: what a shark was. I don't care because as a
Speaker 4: movie going individual, I'm not going to gladiate it too
Speaker 4: because I want to know about history.
Speaker 1: If I want to do that, I'll read the horrible
Speaker 1: history books.
Speaker 4: I want to see the Colosseum flooded, and I want
Speaker 4: to see men having to fight for their lives as
Speaker 4: sharks eat them. That's why I'm going to the cinema.
Speaker 4: I'm not going there to learn about ancient Rome.
Speaker 1: The problem with our education system is not Gladiator Too
Speaker 1: and reading. That's God's depiction of the of the fucking
Speaker 1: Roman Empire. Coming up next a Gladiator gladiat two Gladiator
Speaker 1: too quick recap off the top of the Dome of
Speaker 1: the Dome. It is sixteen years after Maximus's glorious death
Speaker 1: in the in the arena. But guess what, nothing has changed.
Speaker 1: In fact, it got worse because now.
Speaker 4: That's too creepy antas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cobbins killed the last good emperor who is his dad,
Speaker 1: and we followed up from there, which is a bunch
Speaker 1: of bad emperors. And now we've got twin co emperors
Speaker 1: Galba and Caracalla, and they're a fucking mess. The empire
Speaker 1: is worse than ever. And we open it the Kingdom
Speaker 1: of Numidia, which spanned what is much of what is
Speaker 1: modern day Algeria. The Romans are going in. They're gonna
Speaker 1: conquer it. And guess who lives there? A guy named.
Speaker 4: Hanno who is strange name choice.
Speaker 1: The son of Maximus and Lucilla from the first movie.
Speaker 1: He ran away and now he's living here in in Numidia.
Speaker 4: Because it's a legacy sequel, you have to have that
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 1: Strange connecty, some sort of genetic air to the characters
Speaker 1: from the first film. Anyway, Numidia falls, his wife and
Speaker 1: his wife is killed. There's a lot of frigid in
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 4: Oh baby, the women are getting fridged, and they get
Speaker 4: fridged in the same way every time.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. What do well ship?
Speaker 4: Is there?
Speaker 1: Do we do? We have need to come up with
Speaker 1: a different term. If there's no refrigeration.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's been like it's been dry aged.
Speaker 4: It's been it's been long enough that we know what
Speaker 4: fridging means. But hey, you could say they've been arrowed
Speaker 4: because they both get shot in chests with an arrow,
Speaker 4: so we can make up our own new term.
Speaker 1: So Hannah now has this grudge against the Roman Empire,
Speaker 1: and in particular the general who carried out the attack,
Speaker 1: who led the attack, Marcus aicacious oh lad By the underused,
Speaker 1: very underused, the sexy Pedro. We talk about that I
Speaker 1: needed a little bit more Pedro.
Speaker 4: They should have used him more. He's a very interesting
Speaker 4: character who gets to have an emotionally conflicted relationship with
Speaker 4: being a part of a colonizer at all, and I
Speaker 4: think that that would have been very interesting to explore more.
Speaker 1: Hannah is taken prisoner. He ends up at a gladiator
Speaker 1: school run by Macrinus Denzel Washington. Macronus is a a
Speaker 1: very successful procure trainer and purveyor of gladiator content, and
Speaker 1: he sees something in young Hanno, a rage that is
Speaker 1: very attractive to him, and he thinks, I can use
Speaker 1: you to further my ends, which are mysterious for much
Speaker 1: of the movie they are.
Speaker 4: And also, can I just say the rage that he
Speaker 4: sees in Hannah comes from the fact that Hannoh kills
Speaker 4: a baboon by biting its arm. It is in one
Speaker 4: of the most outrageous and early scenes of the movie
Speaker 4: where they unleash baboons and he's like fighting the baboon
Speaker 4: and the boon scat of him, and then he's killing
Speaker 4: the baboon. If you're a person who frequently goes un
Speaker 4: does the dog die, this is not the movie for you.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 1: No, there's a there's a tremendous amount of tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of cg and alness, but like animal carcasses abound. Macrinus
Speaker 1: takes hand to Rome and shows him off. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: has him do a private gladiator fight in front of
Speaker 1: the emperors, like in a private house. Uh, the house
Speaker 1: of this guy Thracks is his name Thrax.
Speaker 4: I think it's Thrags or Thracks, But yeah, he who
Speaker 4: seems like a big contender for someone Denzel may have kissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thrax is like a senator level guy who has
Speaker 1: his fingers in a lot of pies around Rome, and.
Speaker 4: He has a serious gambling problem and is a serious
Speaker 4: gambling problem.
Speaker 1: And in what I think is the best line in
Speaker 1: the movie, Uh, Denzel ends up like basically taking over
Speaker 1: this guy's house because this guy owes him so much money.
Speaker 1: And I think the best line of the movie is
Speaker 1: is backward is going I own your house?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I own your house, So get back in?
Speaker 1: Is like at anyway, While this is going going on
Speaker 1: and Hanno is going through various gladiator bouts across Rome, Lucilla,
Speaker 1: daughter of Marcus Aurelius, is still pining over her missing son.
Speaker 1: She is now married to General Acasius, and she continues
Speaker 1: to harbor her father's dream of a revitalized Roman republic,
Speaker 1: and she's looking for a way to unlicia conspiracy, by
Speaker 1: which the twin emperors are overthrown and the senators are
Speaker 1: put back in charge and Rome is given back to
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 4: I have to say she is that is what she
Speaker 4: claims she wants. But she's also married to the guy
Speaker 4: who's just been going around doing stuff for the twin empress.
Speaker 4: So I feel like there's a conflict of interest here.
Speaker 4: I feel like she could have she could have worked
Speaker 4: a bit faster to get it back.
Speaker 1: Just to put a finer point on that, Marcus Eurelius
Speaker 1: was complaining about how depraved Rome had become, and there
Speaker 1: was a dream of Rome. You only need to whisper
Speaker 1: its name and it would disappear. It was so so fragile.
Speaker 1: It's like, hold on, you're the emperor, right, couldn't you
Speaker 1: do something about it? Like it seems like the guy
Speaker 1: to talk to you about fixing it is you. How
Speaker 1: about I get it that you couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you couldn't put your dream into action,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else is going to be able to,
Speaker 1: because you are literally the emperor of my fucking guy anyway.
Speaker 1: So that's Lucilla is continuing to conspire. There are a
Speaker 1: bunch of gladiatorior matches through which Hanno like grows and
Speaker 1: grows and grows in influence in Rome because everybody's like, wow,
Speaker 1: cool guy. Meanwhile, Macrinus continues to plot. Everything comes to
Speaker 1: a head. Macronus ends up engineering the deaths of the
Speaker 1: emperors in order to wipe out Marcus Aurelius's bloodline. Hanno
Speaker 1: and Macronus have a big fight, and then Hanno makes
Speaker 1: like a big speech in front of the dueling armies
Speaker 1: of Rome, the Praetorians and this kind of rebellious army
Speaker 1: that had been assembled by Lucilla and Asia. General Acasius
Speaker 1: and he I guess unifies the the the armies of
Speaker 1: Rome who acclaim him, and that's and that's basically the
Speaker 1: end of the movie. Yes, am I wrong?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 1: He then he then tells everybody who he is, and
Speaker 1: everybody's like, okay, yeah, let's know. Uh, well, we're going
Speaker 1: to take a break to talk to our sponsors, who uh,
Speaker 1: you know, are just chomping at the bit like a
Speaker 1: bunch of Mediterranean sharks swimming in the Amphithea. And then
Speaker 1: we'll be back and we're gonna welcome back super producer Joel,
Speaker 1: who I watched the movie with last night, and watched
Speaker 1: the movie with all of us, and we're gonna discuss.
Speaker 4: Glad You're too.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Joelle, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss hi now, glad eat too? And our overall thoughts.
Speaker 1: What are our overall thoughts? Joel? Let's start with you.
Speaker 3: I think I had turned to you at the end
Speaker 3: of the movie and gave a look of like huh.
Speaker 3: And I think maybe the final shot of that movie
Speaker 3: sums it up perfectly. If you've seen the first movie,
Speaker 3: you know there is a motif of Max was walking
Speaker 3: through a wheat field and it's akin to heaven. You
Speaker 3: understand this is his ideal. He wants to go home,
Speaker 3: he wants to be where the wheat is growing. It's beautiful, Okay.
Speaker 5: The final sequences.
Speaker 3: His son picking up some dirt and being like, Dad,
Speaker 3: speak to me, and the sky looks really cool in
Speaker 3: like the late nineties, early two thousands kind of way,
Speaker 3: clouds just racing across.
Speaker 1: I will say I love the I love the different
Speaker 1: visual motifs that they've there's a different visual palette in
Speaker 1: this movie that I like.
Speaker 4: I do like as well that he gets his own
Speaker 4: weird underworld kind of off the life segment Heaven. He
Speaker 4: is more like he has to fight his way back
Speaker 4: from the underworld, which I thought was interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 4: when it's the end and he's like that talk to
Speaker 4: me and then it's just like fallows on the whe
Speaker 4: I'm like, come, actually.
Speaker 2: It's just like that.
Speaker 5: And you're just like, wait, what is this movie about?
Speaker 1: What happens? I mean, Joelle, you're I remember turning to
Speaker 1: you when we both kind of look gave each other
Speaker 1: look and my initial I like the movie. I want
Speaker 1: to say that this is it's not a bad movie.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fun movie. It is a fun movie,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have you could my senses, it will
Speaker 1: not have the resonance of the original.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like the longevity.
Speaker 1: Indeed, it also feels like three movies kind of mashed
Speaker 1: together before we get into that. Rosie your thoughts, No, no,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 4: So I saw it in forty X, which was honestly
Speaker 4: one of the most could.
Speaker 1: You smell it silly? Yes, the smell? Did the shirt
Speaker 1: spray sprayed me with water and not just that.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever been to like London
Speaker 4: dungeons or like a museum where they try and replicate
Speaker 4: the sense of like you're in medieval times or whatever. Dude,
Speaker 4: they sprayed out so many nasty smells during that movie.
Speaker 4: But the worst part was when they were burning the
Speaker 4: bodies at the beginning in Numidia and they put like
Speaker 4: a barbecue smell out and I was like, guys, I
Speaker 4: don't want to smell like the bush.
Speaker 1: Of a conquered somebody.
Speaker 4: Some I was like, guys, I don't this is not
Speaker 4: the correct smell. But yeah it was. I san I
Speaker 4: am very used to at this point these kind of
Speaker 4: like legacy sequels where they're essentially more of a remake.
Speaker 4: I do think this one is interesting because it is
Speaker 4: that until you know two thirds of the way through
Speaker 4: the movie, and then it changes focus too. Uh you
Speaker 4: know the character who I do think is the most
Speaker 4: interesting character in the movie, which is the Denzel Washington character.
Speaker 4: But complete make that decision sooner, Ridley Scott.
Speaker 1: Let's okay, So before we get to that important question
Speaker 1: that must be answered, which we raise in our various
Speaker 1: preview episodes going into this, does Paul Mescal plays Hanno,
Speaker 1: the son of Maximus? And and uh so does Paul
Speaker 1: Scout have the juice? Yes or no? Joelle? Does he
Speaker 1: have the juice?
Speaker 3: Here we go, Okay, here's my takeaway. Russell Crowe comes
Speaker 3: in at like thirty six. I think is an actor
Speaker 3: when they're filming.
Speaker 4: Yes, so much present.
Speaker 5: He is a fucking leader. You understand immediately I'll follow this.
Speaker 5: I'd have no training in war, but if he was
Speaker 5: like you got this, I'd be like, we totally have this.
Speaker 3: You would follow him into war. And it's so precise
Speaker 3: and clean. He's focused, he's and he's like a very
Speaker 3: full adult. He's like, I have a family, I just
Speaker 3: want to go home and I'm tired of work. Oh
Speaker 3: I hear you, buddy, I get it. Paul reads to
Speaker 3: me very young like yes, which is fine except for
Speaker 3: that they place his story immediately over Russell Crose and
Speaker 3: because of that, he's not allowed to have the juice.
Speaker 3: I think performance wise, there are moments where you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: Paul is giving it to me. Look at how he's
Speaker 3: buddy buddy with everybody. He's much more of a bro
Speaker 3: than a leader. And I I don't think they hit
Speaker 3: that angle strong enough.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, but let Rosie you go first.
Speaker 4: Juice juice or no juice, juice the juice omitter. At
Speaker 4: the beginning, my friend Annie looked at me and she said,
Speaker 4: she said, he doesn't have the juice. She said that
Speaker 4: to me, and I said, I looked at her and
Speaker 4: I was like, I think you're right, but I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna lie. I think for the third part of the movie,
Speaker 4: the part where it's this different movie that follows, you know,
Speaker 4: the Denzel Washington character, I feel like there is a
Speaker 4: version of Hannah where Paul Mascal does have the juice.
Speaker 4: When he's basically like like Joelle said, he's more of
Speaker 4: this kind of like every man, so of the earth,
Speaker 4: like friend and that's how he gets people, and that
Speaker 4: is so opposite from the Denzel Washington character who just
Speaker 4: wants power, who wants to be on top. That that
Speaker 4: works really well. So at the end I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: he does have the juice for this part of the movie,
Speaker 4: but I don't think for the first two parts. I
Speaker 4: don't know if he had the juice. Though I will
Speaker 4: say the Boon fight scene he had the juice for
Speaker 4: that scene. That's not a lot of who would have
Speaker 4: given it as hard as he gave it in that scene. Jason,
Speaker 4: what about you?
Speaker 1: I think that he has some juice, But like Joelle,
Speaker 1: I think it's they didn't squeeze his unique juice in
Speaker 1: the right way for this film. I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: There are moments. Here's the two things that I think
Speaker 1: stood out to me as oh shit, that's some juice.
Speaker 4: That's some that's some deliciously freshly squeeze.
Speaker 1: That's some uniquely Irish mescallion scenian juice. Here is the
Speaker 1: two things. One his voice. He is such a resonant
Speaker 1: basso voice, and it's such a laconic role. Right, He's
Speaker 1: got to talk, He's gotta speak more. Yes, because when
Speaker 1: he speaks, I am like leaning forward too. He does
Speaker 1: have a uniquely he's younger obviously, I think he's like
Speaker 1: not quite thirty canonically in this his character in this
Speaker 1: in this, in this film, and thus there's like a
Speaker 1: jocularity and a joking around like his his fellow gladiators
Speaker 1: kind of like mock him for the thing and it's
Speaker 1: and the way he deals with it is wonderful and
Speaker 1: those two things that kind of very irish wit and
Speaker 1: his deep voice. I wanted more of those truths, and
Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't.
Speaker 3: Yes, he should have held right back with them and
Speaker 3: become back like I was like, what's happening here?
Speaker 2: I think it was a nice building.
Speaker 5: He played it well, but for me, I do think as.
Speaker 4: Well, like the choice to always have him not speak
Speaker 4: and then you're like, oh, well, when he does speak,
Speaker 4: it makes such an impact. But I'm like, no, he's
Speaker 4: a great speaker. He's an Auretsa, Like he has this
Speaker 4: wonderful voice and people listen to him and so like
Speaker 4: you get those moments when he does the poetry to
Speaker 4: quotes true jumpers and stuff, and I'm like, but let's
Speaker 4: have more of that, like not always people dude.
Speaker 5: Quotes what kind of person quotes poetry?
Speaker 3: And then at the moment of uniting your country in
Speaker 3: the finale.
Speaker 2: I'm not a speaker.
Speaker 1: I was like, what you quoted Virgil at the presence
Speaker 1: of the twin emperor?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And it was perfect after straight killing a man, after
Speaker 3: begging him to be like, bro, we don't have to
Speaker 3: do this for their entertainment, and that guy was like, actually, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm bought in on the entertainment aspect of it, and
Speaker 3: I came to lead. He's like, merks him in up
Speaker 3: one of my favorite fights of this film, and then
Speaker 3: he quotes Virgil. It's the twins are so confused. It
Speaker 3: sparks something and the guy who owns him right now
Speaker 3: like it's a perfect sequence. I don't understand why, Yes,
Speaker 3: there it works. And then at the end they were
Speaker 3: just like, I'm not a no, we get it.
Speaker 4: You're a man of the people, know, say something cool.
Speaker 4: Your dad taught you cool poetry. That's a good thing,
Speaker 4: like it would.
Speaker 1: There's also there's also a moment where he's like, as
Speaker 1: you may have noted, like I love an irishman, I
Speaker 1: really do. I'm a fan of Irish culture and history
Speaker 1: and an Irish hell. I just think that, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of our a lot of the a lot
Speaker 1: of our fantasy tropes come from Irish folklore, which is
Speaker 1: very interesting to make sure. Anyway, Uh, Mescal has this
Speaker 1: very like in my mind irishman thing where where when
Speaker 1: he really gets like reving talking wise rack in his
Speaker 1: rant con tour mode, he kind of goes out of
Speaker 1: the side of his mouth, like you see his mouth
Speaker 1: go like this, and he starts out of the out
Speaker 1: of the side. And there was a couple moments like
Speaker 1: that where he was like addressing gladiators and stuff and
Speaker 1: doing that, and I was like, yes, more but and
Speaker 1: we just and I felt like that's the Mescal juice
Speaker 1: and we needed to get more into that, more into
Speaker 1: that juice.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: I will also say that for me, it felt like
Speaker 1: at a certain point making this movie, people got worried
Speaker 1: that Mescal doesn't have the juice and they were like,
Speaker 1: more Denzel like, ramp it up. Maybe he's the guy
Speaker 1: and the juice, the juices, Like the arena is filled
Speaker 1: that his juice, and that is what the sharks are
Speaker 1: swimming in. The swing did sell.
Speaker 3: His wardrobe, choreography, constantly adjusting and positioning, the dangling of
Speaker 3: the This is an actor who has full understanding of
Speaker 3: how a wardrobe can increase your character, but who also
Speaker 3: gets to be He gets to finally be in his
Speaker 3: old man era. He's like, I'm not going for rewards,
Speaker 3: I'm not really here to you anything other but freaking master.
Speaker 4: Probably the only person who will even look in at
Speaker 4: awards from this movie.
Speaker 1: I think he I think he'll get down. Also, he
Speaker 1: should be, Yes, he should be.
Speaker 4: Denzel Like, no one can wear a slightly little air
Speaker 4: ring like Denzel.
Speaker 1: Like, he's gonna.
Speaker 4: Wear that sly little air ring and he's gonna be
Speaker 4: like looking around with that grin, and you're just thinking,
Speaker 4: like you can arm Like I believe it.
Speaker 5: You're gonna do the lighting in the chaos in the back.
Speaker 1: Yes, again, the moment where he he's fully like trapped
Speaker 1: tracks in his web of debt. He's made him completely
Speaker 1: a creature of his own ownership. And there's that moment
Speaker 1: where he'd get knocked on that's his door and is like,
Speaker 1: this is my house now, and he goes in various
Speaker 1: ways just says this is.
Speaker 4: My house, gets out, gets out.
Speaker 1: And that was truly the most magnet for me, the
Speaker 1: most magnetic scene in the entire film, where I'm just
Speaker 1: like more of the Bill Washing did say, get out
Speaker 1: of my fucking house.
Speaker 4: So good house.
Speaker 3: He's having so much and Timmy Jay gives him a
Speaker 3: lot to play off of as their acts is really debul.
Speaker 1: Now, this is a film that is missing an antagonist
Speaker 1: for much of it, and I think that's part of
Speaker 1: the play.
Speaker 4: I think they could have.
Speaker 1: It's unclear who the who the bad guy is. You
Speaker 1: think it's maybe Acacious, because it's not Hannah wants to
Speaker 1: kill him. You think it's maybe the Twin Emperors because
Speaker 1: they're so despicable and and we should.
Speaker 4: Have got more of them because they have so much fun.
Speaker 4: They did a great job, they knew what they needed
Speaker 4: to do, scene chewing like growdious and just instantly hate
Speaker 4: the ball. But then they get you know, dispensed with
Speaker 4: pretty quickly. Though. I will say in forty X spoiler alert, guys,
Speaker 4: when Denzel chops one of their heads off, they sprayed
Speaker 4: us with water and every in the cinema.
Speaker 1: And yeah, good. Anyway, it emerges. It emerges maybe two
Speaker 1: thirds of the way third act. It emerges that oh,
Speaker 1: Macrinus is our antagonist and has been pulling these strings up.
Speaker 1: And my problem and my issue. I love that, I
Speaker 1: truly love that. I just wish that had been in
Speaker 1: the entire movie exactly because two issues for me with that. One,
Speaker 1: it's not clear throughout the entire movie who the bad
Speaker 1: guy is, and it should and if it was going
Speaker 1: to be Macronus, I love it, but there should have
Speaker 1: been more stuff, definitely. Two, let's talk about what Macronus's
Speaker 1: motivation is. Why is he trying to tear down the
Speaker 1: emperor Empire? Now he says something I'm but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it sells. He basically is, like he tells Lucilla,
Speaker 1: he reveals that at one point Marcus Aurelius had owned him.
Speaker 1: He had been an enslaved person in the service of
Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius, and that apparently is why he wants specifically
Speaker 1: to tear down the Emperor the Empire and wipe out
Speaker 1: her bloodline. Did that carry for anybody, because it kind
Speaker 1: of didn't sell for me.
Speaker 4: To me, it's sold because I just think that that's
Speaker 4: like But ironically I think the issue is Denzel sells it.
Speaker 4: But also that is almost like a that's an uncorruptible reason,
Speaker 4: Like we can't be mad at him because of that,
Speaker 4: So like that doesn't make him an antagonist. And I
Speaker 4: think that's the issue is like that reveal and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: and he's our antagonist because he wants to wipe them
Speaker 4: out and it's like pro Rome sucks and he was enslaved.
Speaker 4: So actually, like go for it, Denzel, Like I don't
Speaker 4: think they were clean.
Speaker 3: I'm totally fine with that being a motive, right, Like
Speaker 3: I think you have zero rights is a great reason
Speaker 3: to want to tear down Empire.
Speaker 2: Completely understand that.
Speaker 3: But from a character building I want to be on
Speaker 3: this guy's side sort of element. They don't give you
Speaker 3: an interpersonal reason, that's true. They don't explore what that
Speaker 3: was specifically like for him. They don't showcase any other
Speaker 3: ways he's tried to maneuver through this side society. He
Speaker 3: seems to have a grudge against Rome, but Rome as
Speaker 3: an entity, it's people. The people he's with all the
Speaker 3: time haven't seemed to do anything to him, which is
Speaker 3: maybe not the case. Maybe Rome's been a healthscate for him.
Speaker 3: But enough about his interior life, That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And he seems to want to. He's almost the complete
Speaker 3: embodiment of it. He even has this line throughout where
Speaker 3: he's like, it's a quote from the emperor who owned him,
Speaker 3: granddaddy Emperor's Does anyone remember the direct quote?
Speaker 1: Oh, it was. The greatest revenge is to to become
Speaker 1: unlike the person who did the injury.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. How does he And he says that he no, no,
Speaker 4: he doesn't. He says he disagrees, your dad was wrong.
Speaker 4: The best thing is to become the person who did
Speaker 4: the injury, and then you go on from then you
Speaker 4: you do it yourself, like you do your own version
Speaker 4: of the terrible thing, which I think they just it
Speaker 4: feels like they just put that line in there at
Speaker 4: the end to be like, this is why he's doing it.
Speaker 1: Let me pitch my better version of Yeah, this is full.
Speaker 1: This is with full acknowledgment that really Scott is a
Speaker 1: genius and has given us over the course of his
Speaker 1: uh you know, incredibly stellar career, various movies that are iconic.
Speaker 4: Here it is, Brandy.
Speaker 1: I think you make it, first of all, you make
Speaker 1: it more obvious that Macronus is the central figure. And
Speaker 1: I think you do it this way. I think it's
Speaker 1: really dumb that Hanno is the natural child of Maximus
Speaker 1: and Lucilla. I think that's a stupid party. I think
Speaker 1: that's really a dumb through line, like it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: like something genetically passed to him and he has the
Speaker 1: same kind of magnetism therefore because his father's I think
Speaker 1: that's so stupid. Here's the better version to me. Macrinus
Speaker 1: has a grudge against the Empire because Marcus Aurelius wasn't
Speaker 1: the great man that everybody thinks he was. He had
Speaker 1: a personal relationship with him, was enslaved by him, and
Speaker 1: bears a grudge against Rome, the emperors, and the Aurelian
Speaker 1: family in particular. He knows that Lucilla, still a major
Speaker 1: player in Rome, has been looking for her son who
Speaker 1: disappeared in the wake of Maximus. Is the whole Maximus
Speaker 1: thing that was going on in Rome. And he finds
Speaker 1: this guy Hanno in nu media and thinks, oh, this
Speaker 1: is perfect. I'm going to go to Rome with this guy.
Speaker 1: I'm going to pass him off as the sun Maximus
Speaker 1: and Lucille. I love that, and I'm going to use
Speaker 1: him as a pawn to tear down the Empire that
Speaker 1: to me is like a very simple arc and a
Speaker 1: fun movie where we don't have to be like where
Speaker 1: we don't have to deal with this weird the son
Speaker 1: of Maximus thing that to me doesn't really go.
Speaker 4: But also if they wanted to, they could still at
Speaker 4: the end have a moment between him, like between Hannah
Speaker 4: and Loscilla that implies that he really is the son,
Speaker 4: just like Anastasia, you know, maybe yeah, you could have wait.
Speaker 3: You don't know, you know, rather than it being like
Speaker 3: shouldn't know.
Speaker 4: The funny thing that I the thing I found the
Speaker 4: beginning of the like throughout the movie, it both enticed
Speaker 4: me and like frustrated me, was there was this version
Speaker 4: of the movie where it was like kind of this
Speaker 4: mystery about Maximus and this mystery of who Maximus was,
Speaker 4: and and then like Maximus is his father, but at
Speaker 4: the same time he knew Lascilla was his mom. He
Speaker 4: recognized Luscilla his mom, so there really wasn't a mystery,
Speaker 4: And it was a shame because I felt like there
Speaker 4: were these moments like, you know, when the guy who's
Speaker 4: been healing him shows him the underground tomb where Maximus's
Speaker 4: armor was that was really evocative and fun and quite
Speaker 4: like spoaky and interesting. And I feel like there's a
Speaker 4: version I think that you're kind of anister Anastasia idea
Speaker 4: where it's like it's a it's a play, could have
Speaker 4: added to that potential mystery and that that touch more
Speaker 4: simple narrative that this movie does end up feeling like
Speaker 4: it's three different movies, but it's three fun movies to watch.
Speaker 4: But it's not like when you rewatch Gladiator, which we
Speaker 4: did for our rewatch episode, which was really fun. You know,
Speaker 4: I was shocked by how good that movie still felt.
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, this is like I understand, like
Speaker 4: this is going to go down in the Hollywood cannon.
Speaker 4: This movie does not necessarily feel like that. You know.
Speaker 4: It definitely feels like a late stage sequel that Hollywood
Speaker 4: is very into putting out right now. But I will say,
Speaker 4: in Ridley Scott's favor, I appreciate that this is that
Speaker 4: late stage weird as fuck Ridley Scott shit where he's
Speaker 4: just like I'm putting sharks in the colosseum, like I'm
Speaker 4: having a baboon fight, Like you don't tell me what
Speaker 4: to do. I'm fucking Ridley Scott, Like, that's the best
Speaker 4: stuff to me from his most recent kind of over Like,
Speaker 4: I really really enjoyed the weird late stage alien movies
Speaker 4: that he did that are just so un like Hollywood
Speaker 4: and so unsellable, and he's just like, they've got nothing
Speaker 4: to do with other ones, and if they do, it's
Speaker 4: in the weirdest possible way. And I appreciate that, like
Speaker 4: fuck uness of somebody who's been around in the business
Speaker 4: for so long. But speaking of Ridley Scott and his movies, Jason,
Speaker 4: what was the last time When was the last time
Speaker 4: that Ridley Scott made like a truly great in the
Speaker 4: Hollywood canon movie.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a quick brick and we're back.
Speaker 1: Let's go twenty first century. Let's count up the twenty
Speaker 1: first century of Ridley Scott, and it obviously starts with
Speaker 1: Gladiator two thousand. Wow. I think is a great movie.
Speaker 4: Fantastic movie.
Speaker 1: Awesome movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and one, Black Hawk Down. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I thought Tony Scott did this movie,
Speaker 1: and in retrospect, I guess, okay, Ridley Scott made this movie.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fine action movie, but also not
Speaker 1: like a timeless no, and also.
Speaker 4: Like aged very badly politically as we understand more about
Speaker 4: those kind of conflicts in the way that they are
Speaker 4: then represented in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: It we're just we were gunning down Somali's left and
Speaker 1: right in this movie and in a completely thoughtless kind
Speaker 1: of kind of way. Next, Hannibal two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Didn't love this movie, but I thought there were some
Speaker 1: really creepy fun moments. Yeah. Any thoughts on on Hannibal
Speaker 1: two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: No, The truth it's hard to come in to a
Speaker 4: franchise and be like, yeah, Hannibal, I'm gonna do the
Speaker 4: late stage. The truth is, is it a fun movie
Speaker 4: to watch?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Is it Silence of the Lambs?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: And then were you also even more hindered by the
Speaker 4: fact that you know, twelve years later somebody like Brian
Speaker 4: fill is gonna come out and make a seminal Hannibal
Speaker 4: story Like, but it's still got some fun moments and
Speaker 4: Anthony Hopkins is having time of his life.
Speaker 1: Match stick Men, Nicholas Cage, the Wonderful Sam Rockwell and
Speaker 1: Alison Lohman. Where she been about these kind of u
Speaker 1: two con men who become like father figures to a
Speaker 1: burgeoning con artist. This is fun, a fun movie. Smaller movie,
Speaker 1: and I like when Ridley Scott goes small like this.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, so good movie but certainly not like a
Speaker 1: timeless classic. Next two thousand and five's Kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker 1: Bad movie in the theaters, but the director's cut, I
Speaker 1: maintain is you are a true believer. In the director's cut,
Speaker 1: it's an indible film, like truly an unbelievable really great action,
Speaker 1: incredible central character arc, wonderful like battle scenes, awesome, good movie.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and fives Came to Heaven, A Good Year,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, Anyone A Good Year?
Speaker 4: I have never seen this movie. It has Russell Crowe
Speaker 4: in it, and it's like it's essentially like a Hallmark
Speaker 4: movie where it's like a British investment broker inherits his
Speaker 4: uncle's chateau where he spent much of his childhood and
Speaker 4: he discovers a new, laid back lifestyle as he tries
Speaker 4: to renovate the estate to be sold. That sounds like
Speaker 4: a Wholemark movie to me.
Speaker 1: Smaller film reuniting with Russell Crowe have not haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: so I gonna have to check that One Gangster two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. I like some of American Gangster. I
Speaker 1: think the performances, obviously Denzel is incredible, is amazing. I've
Speaker 1: said this on numerous other podcasts. I'll say it again here.
Speaker 1: American Gangster set in the winter in New York City.
Speaker 1: It opens like around Thanksgiving and there's snow falling from
Speaker 1: the sky and you can see in the background that
Speaker 1: the leaves are still on the trees. It's very clear
Speaker 1: they film this like in summer or or spring, and
Speaker 1: did summer or spring for winter, and it immediately takes
Speaker 1: me out of the fun. I'm sorry. There's copious snow,
Speaker 1: fake snow falling from the sky. Everybody's in these big overcoats,
Speaker 1: and in the background of every scene full leaves on
Speaker 1: the trees, fully bushed out, beautiful, the height of summer trees.
Speaker 1: And it's always taken me out of it. And I
Speaker 1: can't be unbiased about American guys for that reason. Does
Speaker 1: do anybody think American.
Speaker 4: I like that it opened people's minds to the notion
Speaker 4: that the police may be involved with drug dealing. I
Speaker 4: think that that for a lot of people, like that
Speaker 4: was like a really shocking thing, like, oh, the police
Speaker 4: were the ones who like bought drugs into these neighborhoods, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate Ridley Scott for opening some people's eyes
Speaker 4: to that. But I watched it once. I thought it
Speaker 4: was good.
Speaker 3: I just feel like American Gangster works for me on
Speaker 3: a couple of levels. I feel like most black gangster
Speaker 3: movies that are not black exploitation are like lateies, early
Speaker 3: nineties and later like in time period, which is fine,
Speaker 3: A lot of those movies are amazing, but like to
Speaker 3: get Denzel in the classic like fifties gear, like just
Speaker 3: from that level of aesthetics, that's really fun for me.
Speaker 3: And I do think we get some great scenes like
Speaker 3: Iris elba Is like chewing up.
Speaker 2: The scenery, having a good ass time.
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of like iconic actors doing iconic
Speaker 3: moments in that film. And I also like the idea
Speaker 3: like we're not going to get a black like, I mean,
Speaker 3: we just got one, but it wasn't very good. I
Speaker 3: think exploring how the cops antagonize black organizations into additional
Speaker 3: crimes in order to is a fun watch. Yeah, from
Speaker 3: that angle, it was fun and it was like done
Speaker 3: really well. But to your point, like the vibes of
Speaker 3: that movie are a little off, Like you don't get
Speaker 3: the I don't even think you get the Crisplake New
Speaker 3: York cool all the way through, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's it's a missing an element.
Speaker 4: I also feel like you can't do a movie when
Speaker 4: you're Ridley Scott and you're doing like a big movie
Speaker 4: like that that was obviously a big oscar push movie
Speaker 4: that was meant to be another one of those Hollywood
Speaker 4: canon movies. You can't just not pay attention to details
Speaker 4: like that, like suddenly it's summary and there's too many
Speaker 4: trees like those kind of things. I think that stuff matters,
Speaker 4: So Jason, I appreciate that that is something that takes
Speaker 4: you out of a movie because I also am impact
Speaker 4: did by those kind of choices.
Speaker 1: Next up the CIA thriller Body of Lies, which is
Speaker 1: a fine movie, but I always it's a movie that
Speaker 1: I always get mixed up with the Robert Redford brad
Speaker 1: Pitt vehicle Spy Game.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I prefer Spy Game.
Speaker 1: I think Spy Game is the better version of that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Next up twenty ten's robin Hood retelling of the robin
Speaker 1: Hood legend. Now here's the interesting thing about this robin
Speaker 1: Hood script. It started as a medieval police procedural. Does
Speaker 1: anybody remember.
Speaker 4: This, dude?
Speaker 1: No, but I believe it. No. This script was on
Speaker 1: the Blacklist for a while, you know, the famous the
Speaker 1: list of best unproduced screenplays in Hollywood. I might be
Speaker 1: getting this wrong, but I remember this being a very
Speaker 1: very buzzy Blacklist script because it treated the robin Hood
Speaker 1: legend as a police proceed None of that is evident
Speaker 1: in the final film. That said, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a great movie, but I do have a soft
Speaker 1: spot for this movie because I think Russell Crow is
Speaker 1: good in it, and I think Uh Blanchette is good
Speaker 1: in it. And you know, Mark Strong is wonderful, Mark Addie.
Speaker 1: You get Oscar Isaac in an early role as a
Speaker 1: absolutely villainous and contemptible King John, and it is he is.
Speaker 1: He was like, there's this iconic moment in this Robinhood
Speaker 1: where he where he says of robin Hood, he goes,
Speaker 1: I brad him out and he goes like to the
Speaker 1: he goes like to the top floor with the with
Speaker 1: the bond read and I've loved Oscar Isaac since then.
Speaker 1: Not a great movie, but but a fun movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm English, so that is just like a lot
Speaker 4: of great robin Hoods. And this, to me, I've tried
Speaker 4: to watch it many times. I've tried to be open
Speaker 4: to it. Oscar Isaac is the best thing about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 3: I really love the idea that we like it because
Speaker 3: we're boring.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you guys were not blessed with Like, dude,
Speaker 4: when I was a kid. There is literally a TV
Speaker 4: show called Maid Marian and Her Merry Men, which.
Speaker 1: Was like I used to watch that on BBC.
Speaker 4: It's like a reggae kiddy musical version of robin Hood.
Speaker 4: Like we were blessed with many different versions.
Speaker 5: Okay, this one is like it's there.
Speaker 4: I do try and rewatch it every soften because Robinhood
Speaker 4: makes me feel nostalgic, just any version. But this one
Speaker 4: for me is just like it's too serious. I think
Speaker 4: you've got to have a little bit of camp, or
Speaker 4: you gotta go like so far to the other side
Speaker 4: of seriousness, like Prince of Thebes that it becomes camp.
Speaker 4: This for me is a bit in the middle. But
Speaker 4: it does have a great cast and Oscar Isaac is
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve, we returned to the alien universe with Prometheus.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it. Good movie.
Speaker 4: I'm a Prometheus apologist. It's a good movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Next up, twenty thirteen's The Counselor, with a script from
Speaker 1: a literary icon and giant one of my favorite authors,
Speaker 1: Cormac McCarthy. This movie's a mess.
Speaker 4: It's a hot mess. It's at about the Counselor.
Speaker 1: Hot mess. But this is definitely a movie where you
Speaker 1: could I mean, the cast is like Fastbender, Penelope Cruz,
Speaker 1: Karmen Diaz, Javier Barda, and Brad Pitt and it was
Speaker 1: clear that they were like someone was like, hey, Cormac
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Ridley scottter doing a movie, and everybody was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll do it for five in this film. Next twenty
Speaker 1: forty text it is God's.
Speaker 4: Oh god, dude, I'm what. I worked to the movie
Speaker 4: theater when this came out, and we would like go
Speaker 4: in on our lunch breaks and watch it just for jokes.
Speaker 4: It was so bad. This is also notable because this
Speaker 4: is when Ridley Scott said some real weird islamophobic shit
Speaker 4: about why he cast Christian Bale in the movie, and
Speaker 4: everyone was like, bro, what's wrong with you? Terrible movie again.
Speaker 4: Not when you're doing like a big biblical style movie,
Speaker 4: you can't be too serious about it, and if you are,
Speaker 4: you've got to be so sincere that it goes the
Speaker 4: other way to camp like this is that very middle
Speaker 4: ground bad stuff.
Speaker 1: Can I say something absolutely? I know this is a
Speaker 1: biblical film, but sacrilegious about Exodus, guys, and I think,
Speaker 1: I think please. The two thousand and two Rock feature
Speaker 1: The Scorpion King is a better film.
Speaker 5: No, I agree, definitely.
Speaker 4: It habits some fun in the ancient times like God's
Speaker 4: and King. No fun. No one's having fun, not at all,
Speaker 4: just that horrible blue filtering.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah. Next up, twenty fifteen's The Martian, from
Speaker 1: a best selling book by the novelist Andy Weir. I
Speaker 1: like the book, I like the movie. Every thoughts about
Speaker 1: the Martian. Great NASA movie, pro science.
Speaker 4: Movie, which is space. If you like growing potatoes and poop,
Speaker 4: there's all kinds of things for you here.
Speaker 3: Matt Dames, I love a mission impossible in safe like,
Speaker 3: just how are we gonna do this? It's it seems impossible,
Speaker 3: and then they're like, here's a sprinkle of science and
Speaker 3: some fantasy, and then bam, like you say.
Speaker 1: The whole world.
Speaker 2: I would say it's fun.
Speaker 4: For his small movies, this is definitely like the peak
Speaker 4: of what he can do when he goes.
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right.
Speaker 1: I think my one. I think it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: I think by one reservation. And the thing I felt
Speaker 1: while seeing this was I felt like anybody could have
Speaker 1: done this movie. It didn't feel I didn't feel the
Speaker 1: really Scottness in it. But that's it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: Next up, twenty seventeen, we get Too Alien Covenant.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. I know it's not I'm a movie.
Speaker 4: It's a weird gothic horror in space. I'm in. I'm
Speaker 4: a fan. I like it. Good for you?
Speaker 1: Yes, and the next is a non fiction adaptation of
Speaker 1: a real life Event's twenty seventies All the Money in
Speaker 1: the World.
Speaker 4: Most notable because he re recorded all of the Kevin
Speaker 4: Spacey scenes and replaced him with I Believe Christopher Plumber.
Speaker 1: Christopher Plumber. Yeah, it does feel a little bit lumpy
Speaker 1: that way, but I am not the Wahlberg guy. I
Speaker 1: do respect the movie. I'm not a Wallburg guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of this movie. Next up
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, The Last Duel, Oh, Adam Driver, Julie Comer,
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck. I like this movie. I think this is
Speaker 1: probably his best film of the second decade of the
Speaker 1: twenty first century, if you want to put it that way.
Speaker 3: But I think them is this film might this film
Speaker 3: might be a good film. I just can't stand to
Speaker 3: watch a bunch of men talk about a woman exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the issue with this is.
Speaker 4: My biggest problem with this movie is like it is
Speaker 4: in interestingly shot, it's weird to use as a lot.
Speaker 4: He's definitely trying to do like I'm what if I
Speaker 4: was small independent Ridley Scott, but I was working with
Speaker 4: some of the biggest actors in the world. Also, for me,
Speaker 4: the wigs were bad and I would rather like just
Speaker 4: just change it's like you say, oh, based on a
Speaker 4: real historical story. I would rather see the woman Jewel
Speaker 4: just make it up like you got you got blooming
Speaker 4: killing even there and you got her like letting Adam
Speaker 4: Driver like yea with her. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: buy it. I don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that was the most interesting thing
Speaker 1: about the film is also like the weakest storytelling device,
Speaker 1: which is the last duel, which is again I think
Speaker 1: it's a good movie. They go through like his version,
Speaker 1: the other his version, and then they finally give you
Speaker 1: her version, and I think that is really I can
Speaker 1: see now like the the idea like, oh, we're giving
Speaker 1: her who's the last No, but it's just doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't it?
Speaker 4: We can her opinion, just have her yess of it
Speaker 4: be the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Especially that's the whole I think from her perspective, I
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 4: The setup of this idea of like what can men
Speaker 4: in power get away with and how that hasn't changed
Speaker 4: throughout centuries is really really interesting. But yeah, like Joel said,
Speaker 4: I don't care about a bunch of men sitting around
Speaker 4: talking about women's rape. But the next movie twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one House of Gucci. Who doesn't love that movie Gucci?
Speaker 1: You know what? A house of Gucci has a Gucci.
Speaker 1: Here's here's my but here's my problem that has a
Speaker 1: Gucci And excuse me, I'm talking about here's my problem
Speaker 1: with the House of Gucci. I'm watching this and I'm going,
Speaker 1: when does it get funny? Because this seems like it
Speaker 1: should be funny, right, this should be an That's the
Speaker 1: real truth.
Speaker 4: And the only manage money is when Jared Leto shows
Speaker 4: up in like full prosthetics and he's like, it's to me, Johnny, Gucci,
Speaker 4: I gotta be a part of the Goci and You're like,
Speaker 4: what is going on the Gucci?
Speaker 1: You're gonna give it a Gucci brand, and it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: Jared Letto is like I'm in Austin Powers for and
Speaker 1: everybody else is like, I'm in a serious film.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 2: Just to me, this is consistent.
Speaker 4: This thing about this movie to me is like this
Speaker 4: is literally like a made for TV movie. And people
Speaker 4: like Ship on Women all the time for watching Lifetime
Speaker 4: or watching made for TV movies or rip from the
Speaker 4: headline movies. But then when Bridley Scott does it exactly
Speaker 4: the same, exactly the same tenor we're all supposed to
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, this is like a serious dramatic film. No,
Speaker 4: Like you say, Jason should have been funnier.
Speaker 1: Should have been a funny movie. I was thinking, I mean,
Speaker 1: you see the the like set photos of Letto and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, this is a hilarious movie and it just
Speaker 1: never well.
Speaker 4: So I will say, I actually know Italian people who
Speaker 4: walked out of the movie the and that doesn't happen
Speaker 4: very often, that you're like that offended, but that really did.
Speaker 4: That was a real thing that happened.
Speaker 1: Next up, twenty twenty three's Apple TV plus Sony Pictures
Speaker 1: co pro Napoleon. The epic story of Napoleon Bonapart finally
Speaker 1: comes to the screen.
Speaker 4: Should have been funnier, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, honestly, like late stage Napoleon is
Speaker 1: funny and they play it for lass a little bit,
Speaker 1: and that is probably my favorite stuff in the movie.
Speaker 1: I thought this movie should have been more. It was
Speaker 1: like reaches for epic noss and never gets there.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: I know it's so fortunate for me.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Bridley Scott. My ultimate version of Napoleon is
Speaker 4: Napoleon from Bill and Ted, and you'll never be able
Speaker 4: to top it. That's that's to me. As the historically
Speaker 4: accurate version of Billa of Napoleon, that's all I need.
Speaker 1: I don't need the three Now we have Gladiator.
Speaker 4: Honestly, Gladiator too is looking pretty good after your listen
Speaker 4: those movies.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So let's go in the twenty first century. Where does
Speaker 1: Gladiator rank in the Ridley Scott move Is it number one?
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 4: I think that when it comes to wide audience appeal,
Speaker 4: fun that you have in the cinema, could you take
Speaker 4: your family to go and see it during this holiday
Speaker 4: you know tunnel that we're about to go into. It's
Speaker 4: pretty high up there, because like I like, I really
Speaker 4: like Haley and Covenant, I really like Prometheus. I think
Speaker 4: both of those could be argued for many years about
Speaker 4: their masterpiece status as weird sci fi spaces, but they're
Speaker 4: not like wide audience appeal. They're not something that everybody
Speaker 4: can watch. They could also be equally as argued as boring,
Speaker 4: even though I love them. So, like, I think Gladiated
Speaker 4: two is pretty high up there in this over obviously, yeah,
Speaker 4: I would say like I would say that it's definitely
Speaker 4: in the top three, and the rest of them are
Speaker 4: probably contentious. Whether you're an Alien fan or a Kingdom
Speaker 4: of Heaven fan, go for it.
Speaker 1: Here's my top three Ridley Scott in the twenty first century. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kingdom of Heaven number one, director Scott number two, director's
Speaker 1: cut number two, the Martian number three. It might be
Speaker 1: Gladiator two or pro. I think Gladiator two, and then
Speaker 1: and then the Aliens.
Speaker 4: Would finish up the top five.
Speaker 2: And we're not counting Gladiator in our top three.
Speaker 4: Now, we're not counting Gladiators far and beyond. I would
Speaker 4: say so.
Speaker 1: I guess here's the question. Has he made a movie
Speaker 1: as good as the original Gladiator in the twenty five
Speaker 1: years since that movie came out?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's made a movie as consistently good
Speaker 4: as Gladiator, because that is not a movie where you're like,
Speaker 4: oh there's a or oh they should have cost someone else.
Speaker 4: Most of the other movies can come with a bot.
Speaker 1: I think Kingdom of Heaven director's cut is is on
Speaker 1: par with Gladiator. The problem being that one director's cut,
Speaker 1: so obviously the theatrical cut is not great. And two,
Speaker 1: as we've stated on previous podcasts, Orlando Bloom doesn't quite
Speaker 1: have the juice. Even though he's good in this, he
Speaker 1: just doesn't He does not have juice. I think my
Speaker 1: scale has more juice than Orlando bloom sadly.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I see.
Speaker 3: The cultural impact of Gladiator is such that you can
Speaker 3: still yell are you not entertaining? And like very into
Speaker 3: I think, and really hasn't touched that level of impact
Speaker 3: in its films. I think you could argue that Kingdom
Speaker 3: of Heaven Instructors Cut or The Martian just from a
Speaker 3: structural standpoint, are pretty close to the Gladiator and like,
Speaker 3: this is a strong lead with a pretty clean story
Speaker 3: that's beautiful to look at and a fun time at
Speaker 3: the movies and is engaging to the audience. But there's
Speaker 3: just something about Gladiator that I think, again, if I'm
Speaker 3: really looking from as an American, like for the American
Speaker 3: mystique of cinema, from the height of Russell Crowe as
Speaker 3: an actor, to some truly great villain work out of
Speaker 3: Joaquin who later goes on to be considered one of
Speaker 3: the greatest actors of his generation.
Speaker 4: It is definitely getting to see him that early on
Speaker 4: in this like such a fully bodied, horrifying, cool, creepy,
Speaker 4: gross role that almost makes it hard to watch. That
Speaker 4: is a very special thing, especially against the kind of heroic,
Speaker 4: straightforwardness that Russell Crowe brings to the screen as Maximus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And then there's like a very base
Speaker 3: accessible level to the fights in that movie where you
Speaker 3: understand like how hard a hit is. And I think
Speaker 3: that's like the most important thing in a film is
Speaker 3: if I watching the film can feel the hit in
Speaker 3: my buy. That to me is like when you're reaching
Speaker 3: peak fight sequencing and shooting. And I think the way
Speaker 3: the fights escalate really drive the story, which makes it
Speaker 3: solidly a Gladiator film with the politics sort of just
Speaker 3: surrounding it, and it's delightful.
Speaker 5: It's something I think Gladiator Too misses out on, is
Speaker 5: the way the fights.
Speaker 3: Can impact narrative storytelling, and also like the drain on
Speaker 3: the fighter you're so exhausted for Russell by the end
Speaker 3: of Gladiator.
Speaker 1: To your point too about Crow and Denzel Washington's performance
Speaker 1: in The Gladiator Too, I also think you're so right
Speaker 1: about the way the opening of the first Gladiator, just
Speaker 1: in the little gestures and non speaking facial reactions of
Speaker 1: different characters gives you everything in that opening scene, like
Speaker 1: the tiredness of Marcus Aurelius when the battle is won
Speaker 1: and he just closes his eyes and kind of slumps
Speaker 1: forward a little bit the way that commitists comes bouncing
Speaker 1: out of the her DoD. I miss it, like almost
Speaker 1: tripping in the mud, you know, like that joke of
Speaker 1: a man, like all of that stuff is wonderful, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we never quite obviously Denzel has that
Speaker 1: and part of the conversation about Mesco not having the juices,
Speaker 1: I don't know that we ever get anything as good
Speaker 1: as like Maximus throwing his sword and spitting on the
Speaker 1: ground like in Gladiator one, to just be like that's
Speaker 1: who that guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right. I also think as well,
Speaker 4: we don't get those moments for like the other characters,
Speaker 4: whereas we do get them in Gladia A one. And
Speaker 4: I do think that part of the issue with GLADIAA
Speaker 4: two is even like Lecilla, like what is her life
Speaker 4: like outside of just being married and having a son?
Speaker 1: Like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like what does she do? What does she enjoy? And
Speaker 4: I do I feel like Denzel, it feels like maybe
Speaker 4: he had people look over the script, maybe Ridley was
Speaker 4: just very inspired by working with him, but the level
Speaker 4: of character work he got was so far beyond anyone
Speaker 4: else in the movie that you wonder like, where was
Speaker 4: that for everyone else.
Speaker 1: I just think that that's a guy who knows how
Speaker 1: to deliver when the camera is on and there's nothing
Speaker 1: on the page for him to say yeah.
Speaker 4: I just think that's what he can bring a level
Speaker 4: of like character and vibe to a role, even if
Speaker 4: it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. To Joelle's point, just in the way he wears
Speaker 1: his robes and touches his jewelry like that he's giving
Speaker 1: you everything and just that, And I think that it's
Speaker 1: just a level of craft that I don't know is
Speaker 1: there for everybody. I love pagro Pscal, I don't. He
Speaker 1: feels like almost an empty space in this movie. Like
Speaker 1: there's a moment where when he's burning the bodies and
Speaker 1: you could feel that he hates what he's doing, and
Speaker 1: I wanted more of that, and I just felt like
Speaker 1: it came in and came out and then went away.
Speaker 1: Your point about Lucilla, here is this woman who at
Speaker 1: one point in the First Gladiator, Marcus Aurelius is like,
Speaker 1: if you had been a man, you should have would
Speaker 1: have been my error. Speak on it, Jason, and speak
Speaker 1: on so where the I never get the feeling that
Speaker 1: it would have been so much more Interesting's not the
Speaker 1: tactician here that she would have been so much more
Speaker 1: interesting to me if she had been plotting and moving
Speaker 1: pieces around and doing things, and.
Speaker 4: She could have been doing that for acacious like he
Speaker 4: was a hero. There's no reason he wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: able to rise those ranks if she was.
Speaker 5: Why did she choose him as her chance? Why did
Speaker 5: she choose them here?
Speaker 1: Like I I'm well, I think.
Speaker 3: From what I understood in some of the language with
Speaker 3: the twins, they're like, don't forget the good graces we
Speaker 3: give your wife. Essentially, I think the reason he keeps
Speaker 3: serving is so that they don't come after her. And
Speaker 3: she's supposed to be there to be taking note, but
Speaker 3: to be fair, like I always see her do with
Speaker 3: like call yeah, when before we see her constantly listening
Speaker 3: in the background, moving around, moving pieces. Too many characters
Speaker 3: in this film. We have like four solid main characters
Speaker 3: and then about five to six of them in the
Speaker 3: first film that are background players that are giving you
Speaker 3: a lot of direction and information about the world at large.
Speaker 3: There's so many people to follow, we never really get
Speaker 3: inside and any of them except for Denzel's character. And
Speaker 3: on top of all of that, I just don't understand
Speaker 3: why am I following Lucia. I don't understand what he's
Speaker 3: if he's a creature of rage. They don't let him
Speaker 3: go far enough. Yeah, right, Like think about the battle
Speaker 3: with Pedro. I'm sorry to keep going back to fights,
Speaker 3: but I really feel like if you're doing glad of
Speaker 3: your movie, like those have got to be peak and
Speaker 3: this is one of the weakest points of the film
Speaker 3: for me. There's this great battle with Pedro where they
Speaker 3: don't let them go along enough in the fight, like
Speaker 3: Pedro should be begging for it, like please, I don't
Speaker 3: want to fight you listen, And really that fight ends
Speaker 3: so quickly, even the death of him is so fast
Speaker 3: that this very important emotional crux that really should have
Speaker 3: driven a further wedge between him and his mother, Like
Speaker 3: all of this great like crunchy relation stuff is just
Speaker 3: not there, and therefore the movie can't be as good
Speaker 3: as the first one.
Speaker 1: I feel like to your point, Joelle, the fights didn't
Speaker 1: have stakes in the way that the original.
Speaker 4: They were set pieces had sakes building.
Speaker 1: Right, Those were emotional story building moments in addition to
Speaker 1: being incredible set piece action, And these are just kind
Speaker 1: of incredible set piece action, yeah, and you don't feel that.
Speaker 4: Emotion, as Joel says, even then they're like not really
Speaker 4: long enough. Like the scene in with the sharks and
Speaker 4: the boats is really fun, but it's over in like
Speaker 4: two minutes, and I think like that here in Gladiate,
Speaker 4: it's too They do often replace like that drawn out
Speaker 4: kind of tooth and claw fight for survival that feels
Speaker 4: so real in the first movie. They swap that here
Speaker 4: for kind of gore because there are a lot of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: brutal gory moments, which like some of the people in
Speaker 4: the audience were, and my friend who doesn't really watch
Speaker 4: horror were pretty like horrified by in a way that
Speaker 4: I think the first movie is a lot more of
Speaker 4: your classic kind of ben her swords and sandals. There
Speaker 4: is brutality, but it's it's encased in this kind of
Speaker 4: historical story. This stuff was just like blood sputing like
Speaker 4: gore instead of necessarily It's easier.
Speaker 3: To understand the violence in the first one because so
Speaker 3: much of it is said like you're like, oh, they're
Speaker 3: setting them up to fail, like consistently setting them up
Speaker 3: to fail, which you don't get as much as here,
Speaker 3: Like you would think, oh, they're frastractional, like, but they're
Speaker 3: in the boat. You have to fall off the boat,
Speaker 3: and technically they're being shot at, but the boat's pretty big,
Speaker 3: and I don't get the sense of them like trying
Speaker 3: not to dive. Also, Mediterranean country, some of y'all are
Speaker 3: good swimmers and know how to fitch.
Speaker 5: Like, I just feel like there's so much where we
Speaker 5: could have.
Speaker 2: Gotten out of.
Speaker 3: Again, all these secondary gladiator characters that are hanging out
Speaker 3: in the pits. I don't know any of them, and
Speaker 3: that like I missed my gime in Hansu.
Speaker 2: Where is he?
Speaker 4: They didn't manage to create the true bromance in the
Speaker 4: way that was such a big haw of the first one.
Speaker 1: It's a good point there was not Hano does not have.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the best.
Speaker 1: He's like, I believe in you. I guess they try
Speaker 1: to create that would Ravi the doctor.
Speaker 4: But you know what, that's that's a different relationship because
Speaker 4: there's an imbalance that because he needs Rovi to like
Speaker 4: keep him alive. And but yeah, there's no Jim in
Speaker 4: Russell Crowe chemistry in the same way.
Speaker 1: All of which is to say, I feel like the
Speaker 1: reason we respond so much to Denzel as Macrinus is
Speaker 1: he does have a couple of those great line moments,
Speaker 1: like the one of the moment with Ratso we talked about.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's just his understanding of here's
Speaker 1: how I tell you who I am. Yes, exactly one second,
Speaker 1: two second, three second reaction shot where I'm just wearing
Speaker 1: my clothes, living my life, watching the things that Macronus watches,
Speaker 1: And I just think he's better than that, better at
Speaker 1: that than everybody else that's in this movie. Like Connie
Speaker 1: Nielsen is just kind of the same Lucilla that she
Speaker 1: was in the first and to be fair, they don't
Speaker 1: give her. I wish they had given her more. But
Speaker 1: also I feel like there's something, there's something compelling about
Speaker 1: the pairing with her and Acacious that could have been like,
Speaker 1: here's Acacius. He's the blunt instrument, he's there smashing, she's
Speaker 1: the chess player, and here's how they compliment each other,
Speaker 1: and and that feels so inert and not there. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like part of it is that maybe
Speaker 1: I just felt like they didn't sell that party. I
Speaker 1: agree enough, and and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: I think that when you have something that says beloved
Speaker 4: is Gladier. I think that in a wild where everyone
Speaker 4: is doing these ip face likelegacy sequels, it's very easy,
Speaker 4: especially if you are the original director, as Ridley Scott is,
Speaker 4: to be like, yeah, we'll just do it. You just
Speaker 4: keep telling the story like it's twenty years later, this
Speaker 4: is someone's son. But if you look to the spaces
Speaker 4: where these have been done best, like the Scream series,
Speaker 4: for example, you really have to have people in that
Speaker 4: room who are making you do innovative, strange things that
Speaker 4: basically justify why the movie is being made. And I
Speaker 4: do think to me, Denzel's performance and that introduction of
Speaker 4: that it's the price swash, the price of admission. But
Speaker 4: it is not. This is not going to be in
Speaker 4: a conversation like many of these genre movies are, like
Speaker 4: the Halloween trilogy or this, you know, Scream five and six.
Speaker 4: When Scream Sits came out, people were like, is this
Speaker 4: better than the original Scream? And I think that is
Speaker 4: the power of doing a great legacy sequel. And nobody
Speaker 4: is gonna watch this except from two friends who did
Speaker 4: come with me, who did enjoy it more than the
Speaker 4: first movie. But like, I don't think the general audience
Speaker 4: is gonna be having that conversation of is this better
Speaker 4: than Gladiator? Does this best Gladiator? I don't think so,
Speaker 4: And I think that's the tough thing is if you're
Speaker 4: gonna revisit something over twenty years later, can you justify
Speaker 4: its existence? I think this does by its entertainment value,
Speaker 4: but not necessarily by how it will be remembered next
Speaker 4: to Glad.
Speaker 1: What are our final grades? Gladiator to our final grades?
Speaker 2: B plus?
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like it's hitting on almost every level. Like
Speaker 3: Paul's having an ec I like, I see the future
Speaker 3: of this kid in this role. I'm like, Okay, you've
Speaker 3: got a lot of range. There's a lot you can
Speaker 3: do in the right role. I think costumes, if y'all
Speaker 3: want to oscar.
Speaker 4: Yes, mini skirts on men like I love it.
Speaker 3: I was living first of all, and the gorgeous still
Speaker 3: gowns and the veil the women get I was like
Speaker 3: all the extras.
Speaker 2: I was just looking in the background like this is
Speaker 2: a dreamy.
Speaker 4: Is unbelievable, Like the layers, the different levels of fabric,
Speaker 4: like really delightful. B plus. Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go for like a three out of five. I
Speaker 4: think this is a solid three out of five. You're
Speaker 4: gonna enjoy it if you go and see it. I
Speaker 4: don't think anyone's gonna be bored watching it. I think
Speaker 4: that for certain young actors, they're gonna see those creepy
Speaker 4: twins and they're gonna be like, Yes, that's the kind
Speaker 4: of career I want to have. I want to be
Speaker 4: the weirdo in the movie. I want to be able
Speaker 4: to be Johnny Storm but also play this role. You know.
Speaker 4: I think that's something that's very inspiring to young actors.
Speaker 4: And I also think that Denzel is gonna win an
Speaker 4: Oscar and he deserves it. And I think this is
Speaker 4: the kind of movie that pretty much anyone can enjoy,
Speaker 4: which I think is a is a very very very
Speaker 4: very wonderful thing to have in a movie theater in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. So yeah, I must say. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: say three out of five. It's a solid, like, you know,
Speaker 4: seven out of ten, Like it's better than your average,
Speaker 4: but it's not gonna blow you away. Jason, what about you?
Speaker 1: I am going to give it since I'm gonna continue,
Speaker 1: first of all, with the theme of each of us
Speaker 1: giving completely metrics. I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it two thumbs up. Okay, I think this is a
Speaker 1: good a good movie, all right, Roderick. I think it's
Speaker 1: a good movie. I think Denzel's performance is awesome. I
Speaker 1: think Paul Mescal has the juice. He has the juice.
Speaker 1: I don't know that the juice was fully realized in
Speaker 1: this film, but he had. There is juice. He's there
Speaker 1: is juice there, and I can't wait to see more
Speaker 1: of that juice. And as an action spectacle, fantastic. Two
Speaker 1: thumbs up for me, Glad You're too. It left me
Speaker 1: wanting more.
Speaker 2: Internet.
Speaker 3: The Internet gave it a seventy five over on the ratatos.
Speaker 3: We're pretty we're roughly in alignment. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, on the next couple of episodes of Extra Vision,
Speaker 1: we're diving into the final act of arcane. Oh I
Speaker 1: can't wait. The Extras are back Wednesday with a recap
Speaker 1: of Dune Prophecy Episode two.
Speaker 4: Special guests from June Pod slash Escape Patch.
Speaker 1: Our good friends from the Dune Pod will be joining us.
Speaker 1: And then for the holiday week we're gonna be dropping
Speaker 1: our must watch Thanksgiving movies. That's it for this episode Thanks.
Speaker 2: For Listening, Bye, Thank You.
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