WEBVTT - 241122-GladiatorII-v1-CL 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.200 Warning today's episode, Today's spoiler's for Gladiator too, So if 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.000 you haven't seen it, you want to see it. You've 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:12.160 been waiting for a decade plus twenty to almost twenty years? 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.240 Has it been twenty actually twenty twenty four years since 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.759 since the release of the original Gladiator to get the sequel, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.720 then go watch it and then come back to us. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:23.239 We'll be here. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:39.240 Hello. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.879 My name is Jasononcepsion and I'm Ersday Night. Welcome back 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.760 to x Ray Vision of the podcast where we dive 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.600 deep been to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:55.720 Coming from IRA Podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.440 a week, every Tuesday, every Thursday, with an extra eppisode 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:01.600 every Wednesday. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.160 In today's episode, we're gonna be looking at the box 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.160 office and asking the question, is Glicked the new Barbenheimer? 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.840 I'm more interested in Baby Ratu, So listen to learn 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.120 about that terrifying double bill. In the airlock, we will 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:22.240 be talking a wide ranging discussion about Gladiator to Revenge 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.119 is here? Is it good? Is it bad? Is it fun? 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.600 What was Ridley Scott's last good movie? We will be 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:32.200 tapping into producer. We're gonna talk about it and we're 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:33.880 gonna see what happens. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:40.479 But first previously on First Up Glad eat Or two 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.800 and Wickeder Box AMA's Prodigions. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.720 So this is kind of unbelievable to me, but I 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.360 guess we'll see if it happens. Wicked is expected to 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:58.040 pull in a hundred Jason, watch out. They're gonna scoop 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.360 you for the sequel part two. It's coming there. It's 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.480 expected to pull one hundred and twenty five million to 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.840 one hundred and fifty million domestic opening this weekend. That's 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:13.720 why it go hear well. I have been very interested 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.520 to see how positive the reviews have been from all 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:22.640 kinds of spaces. The trailers have not been showcasing the 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.160 best of the movie, apparently, and apparently on the big 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.639 screen it looks a lot more like a traditional, beautiful 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:34.560 Hollywood classic than the kind of, you know, heavily cged 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.040 version that we're seeing when it translates to trailers. I'm 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.600 interested to see how that goes. And I do love Wicked, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.320 so I'm a sucker. I will be there. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.480 I remember reading the book. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.200 Oh Man, Me Too when I was a kid. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.560 In like in high school or something, and being like, 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.320 holy shit, this is awesome, and never expecting that they'd 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:56.920 make it into it. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.359 No and the and yeah, the songs of bangers and 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.720 it's gonna be This has been a wild press tour, 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.919 so that's gonna be one that lives in infamy, and 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.040 it will be interesting to see how it does. Also, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.000 you know that they think the movie is going to 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:16.040 be successful because they've already announced the on Christmas Day 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.200 they will be releasing a singer long version that actually 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.160 has all the words and everything and kind of encourages singing, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.760 So that'll be interesting and it's not just Wicked. Opening 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.600 this weekend, we also have Gladiator two, which has already 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:34.240 been a sizeable hit outside of the US, and it 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.800 will be hitting stateside sixty million plus opening, so actually 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.880 very similar Barbie Oppenheimer's styles. It will be the biggest 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.640 start for an rated movie in November and the best 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.000 ever three day total for Ridley Scott and star Denzel Washington. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.920 I also think this could go a little bit higher 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.800 because of things like forty X and IMAX. It'll be 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.480 interesting to see, and also we know that there's a 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.640 lot of people who just love thinking about the Roman Empire. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.080 We are we are obsessed with the Roman Empire, as a. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.400 P as a race, as a human beings. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.200 We are obsessed with them. So that, yeah, it's gonna 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.320 be interesting. I do think this is the closest that 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.000 we've had to a Bobenheimer. As much as every studio 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.160 has tried to make it happen, I think this one, 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.240 box office wise, is gonna be our closest. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:21.560 Yeah. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.200 So next up is Ridley Scott and he's out here 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:32.760 denying Denzel Washington's Gladiator. I'm sorry, Ridley Scott. I've seen 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:38.800 Gladiator two and absolutely there were like twenty five moments 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.080 where there were obviously could have been a gay kiss. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.360 I'm not believe in this, Ridley Scott. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.560 It is sprinkled all through it. So for those who 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:51.080 of you who missed it, Denzel Washington referenced a same 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.720 sex kiss that was in a Gladiator two but that 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.240 he says was cut because the powers it be in 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.559 the studio or wherever whoever got quote unquote chicken. Ridley 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.920 Scott comes out and says, no, that's bullshit. They never 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.920 did backed at the moment it didn't happen, he says. Now, 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.719 Denzel said, just you know, just for context, ends it 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.680 was saying it was just like a peck on the lips, which, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.679 by the way, I don't know. I grew up around 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.680 a lot of Italians. There's a lot of saying on 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.200 the cheek. Yeah, like there's a lot of guys kissing 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.960 on the cheek, and that was very normal. That said, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.000 he continues, quote it really as much ado about nothing, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.359 Denzel said, they're making more of it than it was. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:34.920 I kissed him on his hands, I gave him a pack, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.800 and I killed him. I'll say this, I mean, he's 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.640 spoiler his character backrod Is at one point says, yeah, 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.159 I like a guy sometimes too. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.240 Yeah. But it's funny because throughout the movie and the screening, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.160 I was in like a home every time that he 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.320 was seeing someone and being a little bit fruity with 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.279 and we were like, this is why they cut it. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.280 This is where they cut the guess like, so sorry, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.159 It's it's just how it is, Ridley Scott. Everyone's always 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.279 going to be thinking about Denzel's gay kiss that got 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.920 cut because he's Denzel Washington. He's the best thing about 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:09.280 the movie. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.480 Next up, spoiler alert, glad Eater Too is done historically accurate. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.479 Why did anyone think it was historically accurate. That's my 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:20.360 first thing. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.839 Historian Charlotte Higgins has come out and said, it's none 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.000 of this shit. You would have appaed there's no sharks 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.799 the area. Da YadA, YadA, YadA. Don't worry about it, folks, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.919 don't worry about it. But yet, yes, historians are upset 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.920 at Ridley Scott, yet again, continuing the theme from from Napoleon, 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:45.080 where Napoleonic historians were equally as pissed at really Scott, 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.960 they continue to be mad at him. He's a filmmaker, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.159 not historian. It's fine. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.080 Yeah, this is one of the funniest things. It's like 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:56.159 they upset because like Denzel Washington drinks what looks like 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.160 a coffee not around for a thousand years, or tea 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.960 only has it at a cafe, there aren't any while 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.680 reading a paper. Only China has paper, guys. Come on, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.120 it's like he's just He's just a guy reading a paper. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.320 Like it's fine, don't worry about it. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:16.480 Also, though, the criticism that the real Emperor Caracalla is 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.400 like a tougher looking guy based on coins in his statue. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.680 Come on, we don't have a photo, right, who cares, 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:22.320 so shut. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:22.680 Up, shut up? 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.080 Is that that? I guess what? They didn't even know 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.560 what a shark was. I don't care because as a 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.840 movie going individual, I'm not going to gladiate it too 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:34.960 because I want to know about history. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.400 If I want to do that, I'll read the horrible 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:37.080 history books. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.400 I want to see the Colosseum flooded, and I want 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.200 to see men having to fight for their lives as 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.320 sharks eat them. That's why I'm going to the cinema. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.360 I'm not going there to learn about ancient Rome. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.920 The problem with our education system is not Gladiator Too 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.640 and reading. That's God's depiction of the of the fucking 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:17.800 Roman Empire. Coming up next a Gladiator gladiat two Gladiator 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.960 too quick recap off the top of the Dome of 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:28.160 the Dome. It is sixteen years after Maximus's glorious death 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.240 in the in the arena. But guess what, nothing has changed. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.679 In fact, it got worse because now. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:34.959 That's too creepy antas. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.720 Yeah, Cobbins killed the last good emperor who is his dad, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.680 and we followed up from there, which is a bunch 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.160 of bad emperors. And now we've got twin co emperors 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.280 Galba and Caracalla, and they're a fucking mess. The empire 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.080 is worse than ever. And we open it the Kingdom 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.560 of Numidia, which spanned what is much of what is 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.720 modern day Algeria. The Romans are going in. They're gonna 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.199 conquer it. And guess who lives there? A guy named. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.679 Hanno who is strange name choice. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.720 The son of Maximus and Lucilla from the first movie. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.760 He ran away and now he's living here in in Numidia. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.480 Because it's a legacy sequel, you have to have that 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:18.000 kind of. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:25.840 Strange connecty, some sort of genetic air to the characters 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:31.199 from the first film. Anyway, Numidia falls, his wife and 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.160 his wife is killed. There's a lot of frigid in 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:35.520 this movie. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.000 Oh baby, the women are getting fridged, and they get 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:39.960 fridged in the same way every time. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.960 It's so funny. What do well ship? 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:45.360 Is there? 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.280 Do we do? We have need to come up with 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.160 a different term. If there's no refrigeration. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.079 No, I think it's been like it's been dry aged. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.840 It's been it's been long enough that we know what 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.720 fridging means. But hey, you could say they've been arrowed 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.000 because they both get shot in chests with an arrow, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.640 so we can make up our own new term. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:09.679 So Hannah now has this grudge against the Roman Empire, 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:15.079 and in particular the general who carried out the attack, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:20.800 who led the attack, Marcus aicacious oh lad By the underused, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.720 very underused, the sexy Pedro. We talk about that I 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.200 needed a little bit more Pedro. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.680 They should have used him more. He's a very interesting 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:37.000 character who gets to have an emotionally conflicted relationship with 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:42.520 being a part of a colonizer at all, and I 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.600 think that that would have been very interesting to explore more. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:51.199 Hannah is taken prisoner. He ends up at a gladiator 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:57.760 school run by Macrinus Denzel Washington. Macronus is a a 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:06.079 very successful procure trainer and purveyor of gladiator content, and 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.840 he sees something in young Hanno, a rage that is 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.400 very attractive to him, and he thinks, I can use 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:20.440 you to further my ends, which are mysterious for much 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:21.600 of the movie they are. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.720 And also, can I just say the rage that he 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.960 sees in Hannah comes from the fact that Hannoh kills 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.959 a baboon by biting its arm. It is in one 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.679 of the most outrageous and early scenes of the movie 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.959 where they unleash baboons and he's like fighting the baboon 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.120 and the boon scat of him, and then he's killing 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.880 the baboon. If you're a person who frequently goes un 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.120 does the dog die, this is not the movie for you. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:47.439 Yo. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.240 No, there's a there's a tremendous amount of tremendous amount 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:57.840 of cg and alness, but like animal carcasses abound. Macrinus 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:03.880 takes hand to Rome and shows him off. Yeah, he 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.080 has him do a private gladiator fight in front of 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.839 the emperors, like in a private house. Uh, the house 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.280 of this guy Thracks is his name Thrax. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.240 I think it's Thrags or Thracks, But yeah, he who 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.480 seems like a big contender for someone Denzel may have kissed. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:25.400 Yeah, Thrax is like a senator level guy who has 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.000 his fingers in a lot of pies around Rome, and. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.120 He has a serious gambling problem and is a serious 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:32.080 gambling problem. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.320 And in what I think is the best line in 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:42.640 the movie, Uh, Denzel ends up like basically taking over 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.360 this guy's house because this guy owes him so much money. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.120 And I think the best line of the movie is 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.840 is backward is going I own your house? 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.960 Yeah, I own your house, So get back in? 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.400 Is like at anyway, While this is going going on 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:08.959 and Hanno is going through various gladiator bouts across Rome, Lucilla, 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:15.600 daughter of Marcus Aurelius, is still pining over her missing son. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:22.199 She is now married to General Acasius, and she continues 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:27.200 to harbor her father's dream of a revitalized Roman republic, 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:33.440 and she's looking for a way to unlicia conspiracy, by 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.280 which the twin emperors are overthrown and the senators are 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.480 put back in charge and Rome is given back to 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:40.880 the people. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.640 I have to say she is that is what she 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.480 claims she wants. But she's also married to the guy 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.040 who's just been going around doing stuff for the twin empress. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.400 So I feel like there's a conflict of interest here. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.640 I feel like she could have she could have worked 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.360 a bit faster to get it back. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.840 Just to put a finer point on that, Marcus Eurelius 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:04.040 was complaining about how depraved Rome had become, and there 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.760 was a dream of Rome. You only need to whisper 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.119 its name and it would disappear. It was so so fragile. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.560 It's like, hold on, you're the emperor, right, couldn't you 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.120 do something about it? Like it seems like the guy 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.920 to talk to you about fixing it is you. How 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.400 about I get it that you couldn't figure it out. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:27.240 I don't know if you couldn't put your dream into action, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.920 I don't think anybody else is going to be able to, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.479 because you are literally the emperor of my fucking guy anyway. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:41.080 So that's Lucilla is continuing to conspire. There are a 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:46.160 bunch of gladiatorior matches through which Hanno like grows and 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:51.720 grows and grows in influence in Rome because everybody's like, wow, 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:57.960 cool guy. Meanwhile, Macrinus continues to plot. Everything comes to 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.600 a head. Macronus ends up engineering the deaths of the 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.640 emperors in order to wipe out Marcus Aurelius's bloodline. Hanno 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.640 and Macronus have a big fight, and then Hanno makes 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.480 like a big speech in front of the dueling armies 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.760 of Rome, the Praetorians and this kind of rebellious army 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.040 that had been assembled by Lucilla and Asia. General Acasius 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:32.000 and he I guess unifies the the the armies of 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:36.240 Rome who acclaim him, and that's and that's basically the 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.200 end of the movie. Yes, am I wrong? 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:39.080 Correct? 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.360 He then he then tells everybody who he is, and 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:49.280 everybody's like, okay, yeah, let's know. Uh, well, we're going 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:54.080 to take a break to talk to our sponsors, who uh, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.920 you know, are just chomping at the bit like a 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:01.240 bunch of Mediterranean sharks swimming in the Amphithea. And then 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.040 we'll be back and we're gonna welcome back super producer Joel, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.760 who I watched the movie with last night, and watched 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.160 the movie with all of us, and we're gonna discuss. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:10.720 Glad You're too. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.360 Welcome back, Joelle, Welcome to the program. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:29.800 Yo. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:35.720 Let's discuss hi now, glad eat too? And our overall thoughts. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.480 What are our overall thoughts? Joel? Let's start with you. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.360 I think I had turned to you at the end 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.200 of the movie and gave a look of like huh. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.040 And I think maybe the final shot of that movie 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.920 sums it up perfectly. If you've seen the first movie, 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.720 you know there is a motif of Max was walking 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.480 through a wheat field and it's akin to heaven. You 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.840 understand this is his ideal. He wants to go home, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.520 he wants to be where the wheat is growing. It's beautiful, Okay. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.920 The final sequences. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.320 His son picking up some dirt and being like, Dad, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.560 speak to me, and the sky looks really cool in 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.960 like the late nineties, early two thousands kind of way, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.439 clouds just racing across. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.000 I will say I love the I love the different 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.560 visual motifs that they've there's a different visual palette in 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:25.439 this movie that I like. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.040 I do like as well that he gets his own 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:36.560 weird underworld kind of off the life segment Heaven. He 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.280 is more like he has to fight his way back 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.760 from the underworld, which I thought was interesting. But yeah, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.720 when it's the end and he's like that talk to 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.359 me and then it's just like fallows on the whe 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:47.960 I'm like, come, actually. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:50.640 It's just like that. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.320 And you're just like, wait, what is this movie about? 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.560 What happens? I mean, Joelle, you're I remember turning to 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.200 you when we both kind of look gave each other 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.560 look and my initial I like the movie. I want 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.760 to say that this is it's not a bad movie. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.840 It's it's a fun movie. It is a fun movie, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.880 but it doesn't have you could my senses, it will 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.399 not have the resonance of the original. 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.480 I don't feel like the longevity. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:19.480 Indeed, it also feels like three movies kind of mashed 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.600 together before we get into that. Rosie your thoughts, No, no, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:23.080 I agree. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.640 So I saw it in forty X, which was honestly 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.720 one of the most could. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.879 You smell it silly? Yes, the smell? Did the shirt 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.880 spray sprayed me with water and not just that. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.000 I don't know if you've ever been to like London 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.960 dungeons or like a museum where they try and replicate 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.760 the sense of like you're in medieval times or whatever. Dude, 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.640 they sprayed out so many nasty smells during that movie. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.040 But the worst part was when they were burning the 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.600 bodies at the beginning in Numidia and they put like 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.199 a barbecue smell out and I was like, guys, I 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.560 don't want to smell like the bush. 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.600 Of a conquered somebody. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.560 Some I was like, guys, I don't this is not 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:14.080 the correct smell. But yeah it was. I san I 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:18.320 am very used to at this point these kind of 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.400 like legacy sequels where they're essentially more of a remake. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.640 I do think this one is interesting because it is 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.360 that until you know two thirds of the way through 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.080 the movie, and then it changes focus too. Uh you 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:32.760 know the character who I do think is the most 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.879 interesting character in the movie, which is the Denzel Washington character. 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.119 But complete make that decision sooner, Ridley Scott. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.399 Let's okay, So before we get to that important question 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.919 that must be answered, which we raise in our various 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:56.200 preview episodes going into this, does Paul Mescal plays Hanno, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:01.640 the son of Maximus? And and uh so does Paul 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:06.080 Scout have the juice? Yes or no? Joelle? Does he 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:06.760 have the juice? 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:14.720 Here we go, Okay, here's my takeaway. Russell Crowe comes 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.280 in at like thirty six. I think is an actor 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:19.000 when they're filming. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.320 Yes, so much present. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.199 He is a fucking leader. You understand immediately I'll follow this. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.199 I'd have no training in war, but if he was 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.199 like you got this, I'd be like, we totally have this. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.800 You would follow him into war. And it's so precise 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.240 and clean. He's focused, he's and he's like a very 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.560 full adult. He's like, I have a family, I just 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.400 want to go home and I'm tired of work. Oh 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.159 I hear you, buddy, I get it. Paul reads to 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:45.199 me very young like yes, which is fine except for 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.800 that they place his story immediately over Russell Crose and 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.080 because of that, he's not allowed to have the juice. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.120 I think performance wise, there are moments where you're like, oh, 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.160 Paul is giving it to me. Look at how he's 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.560 buddy buddy with everybody. He's much more of a bro 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.040 than a leader. And I I don't think they hit 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:02.480 that angle strong enough. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.600 I completely agree, but let Rosie you go first. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.360 Juice juice or no juice, juice the juice omitter. At 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.800 the beginning, my friend Annie looked at me and she said, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.359 she said, he doesn't have the juice. She said that 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.280 to me, and I said, I looked at her and 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:18.919 I was like, I think you're right, but I'm not 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.800 gonna lie. I think for the third part of the movie, 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.199 the part where it's this different movie that follows, you know, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.439 the Denzel Washington character, I feel like there is a 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.480 version of Hannah where Paul Mascal does have the juice. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:37.199 When he's basically like like Joelle said, he's more of 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.320 this kind of like every man, so of the earth, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.679 like friend and that's how he gets people, and that 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.320 is so opposite from the Denzel Washington character who just 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.840 wants power, who wants to be on top. That that 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.760 works really well. So at the end I was like, Okay, 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.119 he does have the juice for this part of the movie, 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.159 but I don't think for the first two parts. I 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.000 don't know if he had the juice. Though I will 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.919 say the Boon fight scene he had the juice for 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.560 that scene. That's not a lot of who would have 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.439 given it as hard as he gave it in that scene. Jason, 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:09.000 what about you? 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.280 I think that he has some juice, But like Joelle, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:21.439 I think it's they didn't squeeze his unique juice in 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.560 the right way for this film. I think you're absolutely right. 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.120 There are moments. Here's the two things that I think 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.679 stood out to me as oh shit, that's some juice. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.480 That's some that's some deliciously freshly squeeze. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:39.919 That's some uniquely Irish mescallion scenian juice. Here is the 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:45.520 two things. One his voice. He is such a resonant 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:53.040 basso voice, and it's such a laconic role. Right, He's 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.120 got to talk, He's gotta speak more. Yes, because when 0:22:56.200 --> 0:23:01.920 he speaks, I am like leaning forward too. He does 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.800 have a uniquely he's younger obviously, I think he's like 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.000 not quite thirty canonically in this his character in this 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.840 in this, in this film, and thus there's like a 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.800 jocularity and a joking around like his his fellow gladiators 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.040 kind of like mock him for the thing and it's 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.480 and the way he deals with it is wonderful and 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:32.040 those two things that kind of very irish wit and 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.280 his deep voice. I wanted more of those truths, and 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:36.280 I felt like I didn't. 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.199 Yes, he should have held right back with them and 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.760 become back like I was like, what's happening here? 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.760