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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: When do we have crystol Lots of big happenings this

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Speaker 1: morning to get into. We've got new developments with Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: We have a major shakeup at CNN and definitely more

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Speaker 1: going on there than what we're being told at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So Jeff Sucker out at CNN will tell you all

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Speaker 1: about that. Starbucks is lying to you. They are telling

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Speaker 1: you that they're lifting prices because of supply chain crisis

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really make sense. Jeff Bezos has a brand

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Speaker 1: large and extravagant that he has persuaded the city of

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Speaker 1: Rotterdam to deconstruct a famous history historical bridge so that

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Speaker 1: his frickin' yacht can get delivered to him. So we'll

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Speaker 1: tell you about that. Also, we obviously have to dive

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Speaker 1: into all the things that have been happening. There will

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Speaker 1: be her comments, the fallout, the response, all of those,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of those aspects will get into. We

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Speaker 1: also have a very interesting I'm excite about this. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it'll really be a debate, but a

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Speaker 1: discussion between Bor and Cass and Freddie debo about college

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Speaker 1: education and where our money as a public should be

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Speaker 1: going and how we should be thinking about what our students,

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Speaker 1: our young people should be doing post high school. So

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Speaker 1: we will get into all of that, but we wanted

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Speaker 1: to start with breaking news with regards to Ukraine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is unquestionably the biggest news in the world. Let's

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Speaker 1: which is that the United States President Biden green lights

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Speaker 1: an additional three thousand US troops to Eastern Europe in

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Speaker 1: specifically in the NATO Alliance. The deployments will be to

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Speaker 1: many of these are people who are also within Germany

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Speaker 1: Crystal who are being sent even farther east over to Romania.

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Speaker 1: It's a mechanized infantry division and the Pentagon also said

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Speaker 1: her justification. It's still not clear though, why. I mean,

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Speaker 1: This is why I've been concerned so much. That is,

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Speaker 1: Already this morning I saw the US fighters or go

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Speaker 1: it takes is one collision. These things come very very close.

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Speaker 1: listen to that White House justification. Yeah, it's nonsense. It's

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Speaker 1: basically like triple speak. I don't even know that's a

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Speaker 1: Where does it ultimately lead? I mean, that's really the

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Speaker 1: The other piece that we should keep in mind is

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Speaker 1: is that domestically things have not been going all that

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Speaker 1: are not aligned with longstanding bipartisan American values, which well,

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Speaker 1: thank you Cold War in Russia. She's not wrong that

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Speaker 1: it's bipartisan. It shouldn't be bipartisan. I mean, what is

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Speaker 1: not in Eastern Europe and have not been since what

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one? Why should we be wasting so much time, effort,

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Speaker 1: Nobody can answer this question. The bipartisan consensus around all

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Speaker 1: of this is ludicrous. And yeah, just declaring Ukraine will

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Speaker 1: us militarily, economically, strategically, from a foreign policy, gives them

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Speaker 1: propaganda or misinformation? To be very clear about the timeline

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Speaker 1: because what have I told you guys previously, Discovery CEO

429
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Speaker 1: hates CNN. He thinks that they are a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: And Discovery is the new owner of CNN, the new

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Speaker 1: bosses of CNN. They do not like many of the

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Speaker 1: talent there. They've actually been eyeing a shake up for

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Speaker 1: a long time. And Zucker was the chief proponent for no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, we got to keep the Trump Russia

435
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Gates madness exactly. He was the buffer. So now that

436
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Speaker 1: he's out, they their next are on the line. This

437
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: is a big problem for everybody involved. So look, sleazy media,

438
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Speaker 1: Shenanigan's going up. Look, yeah, their consensual relationship like whatever,

439
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: But there's some pretty creepy stuff that has been revealed.

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Speaker 1: We'll put this up there. Put the tweet. So these

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Speaker 1: are memoirs from you actually read and I forgot about

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Speaker 1: this second from Katie car So. Katie Couric wrote this

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Speaker 1: very dishy memoir which actually was very interesting. I did

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Speaker 1: a whole monologuetten it if you guys want to go

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Speaker 1: on and check it out, which actually you all were

446
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: very interested in, which I was a little bit surprised with. Anyway,

447
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: when she was at ABC and she was working with

448
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Speaker 1: Jeff again, he made a push to try to bring

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Speaker 1: in this woman whom we now know he was having

450
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Speaker 1: an affair with Alison as like a PR person, and

451
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080
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452
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Speaker 1: you forcing this person on me? Like I'm good? And

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Speaker 1: they had a meeting that was sort of uncomfortable, and

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Speaker 1: Alison actually said to her, I don't want to force

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Speaker 1: myself on you, and she's like, okay. And she also

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Speaker 1: reveals in that piece that the two had moved their

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Speaker 1: families in next to each other. She actually had bought

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Speaker 1: the apartment above him and his family, And Katie sort

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Speaker 1: of leaves it to readers to glean what's going on there,

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Speaker 1: and she just says, like, I was very uncomfortable with

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Speaker 1: the relationship because she was close friends with Jeff Sucker's wife.

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Speaker 1: Then the sort of kicker of this little anecdote she

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Speaker 1: tells is that Zucker is up for the job at CNN.

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Speaker 1: Big job. You ask Katie for recommend it. Can you

465
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Speaker 1: put in a good work? Can you help me get

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Speaker 1: the job? I promise they'll be a slot for there.

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Speaker 1: He gets the job. Number one, there never was a

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Speaker 1: slot for Katie. That favor was never returned. Number two,

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Speaker 1: he never called her. The very first hire was Alison

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Speaker 1: Alison so to, and it does speak to the point

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Speaker 1: also this being just like everybody knew that this was

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Speaker 1: going on, and it wasn't a problem for him all

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Speaker 1: these years. It's only now with whatever whatever was happening

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes with the Cuomo incident, that this really

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Speaker 1: became an issue for him now. Listen, Zucker was planning

476
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Speaker 1: to later on step down from this position at CNN

477
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Speaker 1: once the merger was complete, so that was a little

478
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Speaker 1: ways into the future. But this is obviously extraordinarily abrupt

479
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Speaker 1: and at a time a huge transition for CNN right

480
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: now as well. I mean, they're trying to get this

481
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Speaker 1: totally laughable, pathetic streaming thing up and running, which was

482
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Speaker 1: also his baby, which is his baby. The latest news

483
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: on that is that they're giving Don Lemon a show

484
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Speaker 1: on there, which is just like, you know, how do

485
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Speaker 1: you dilute yourself into thinking that this is going to

486
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Speaker 1: work because Don Lemon not only does his show on

487
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Speaker 1: CNN not do very well, but he had that podcast

488
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Speaker 1: from when we found out he had that podcast with

489
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Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo. They did that like handoff, which no one

490
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Speaker 1: even knew about or listened to until it became relevant

491
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Speaker 1: to the scandal, So you know, then already it's been

492
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Speaker 1: proven in the alternative media ecosystem, this person has no cachet,

493
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Speaker 1: no audience, no one cares what he has to say,

494
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Speaker 1: and yet you put him into the streaming lineup. So anyway,

495
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Speaker 1: it's a time of great transition at CNN as it

496
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Speaker 1: is an MSNBC and somewhat to a degree at Fox

497
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Speaker 1: News as well, So for him to abruptly leave is

498
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Speaker 1: really a big deal. And you know, from the people

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Speaker 1: I know that work at CNN as well, they say

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Speaker 1: the same thing about he's very hands on with his talent.

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00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: You know, he has very like sort of personal relationships

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Speaker 1: with the hosts and the anchors who are there. So

503
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: if you've spent invested all this time sucking up to

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Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker to ensure your place in the CNN hierarchy,

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00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: and now suddenly, without any warning, he's gone, yeah, I'm

506
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: sure there are a lot of anchors who are feeling

507
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: very exposed right now, not knowing who's going to replace him,

508
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 1: and not knowing how they'll be judged in the just

509
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: like cold harsh light of hey, what are your ratings

510
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: like and how are you delivering for the bottom line,

511
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: not necessarily even the ratings there crystal, which is that

512
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: the image of CNN is a black mark for a

513
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: lot of people who are at Time Warner and with WarnerMedia,

514
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: the people who are at higher ups in Hollywood, they

515
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with it because they know that

516
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Speaker 1: it attacks regulatory scrutiny, that yes, with news comes power,

517
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: but comes controversy, and they don't want controversy. Controversy is

518
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: bad for business. This is part of the reason why

519
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Fox was spun off. Fox News was spun off from

520
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the Fox Empire and was sold off

521
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: to Disney. Was specifically because neither side wanted to deal

522
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Speaker 1: with the other and they had to deal with boycotts

523
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. So you know, if I was

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Speaker 1: one of those people in the CNN Washington bureau kissed Jucker,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker's ass for the last five years, yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: be freaking out a little bit right right now. And

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Speaker 1: look for me, it's just a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: karmic justice. I've watched some people flourish in this town,

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Speaker 1: people like Jim Acosta become Chief White House correspondent, correspondent

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Speaker 1: under the auspices of Jeff Zucker who steered the country

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Speaker 1: in that direction, rewarding his clownish, idiotic behavior, giving him

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Speaker 1: his own show, turning him into a national celebrity at

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Speaker 1: the detriment of the entire country with the shenanigans that

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: they pulled under the Trump years. So this is just

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Speaker 1: a small, small measure of justice. And I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to what the New Discovery people are going to

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00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: be doing. I just can't wait to And when this

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Speaker 1: story initially broke, I was sort of playing on my

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00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: commentary to be that of all the things that Zucker

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Speaker 1: has done that's has been evil and wrong, like consensual

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Speaker 1: sex scandal between someone who's more or less at your level, right,

542
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, where there's not a lot of like power

543
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: pressure whatever. That's like the least of whatever his sins

544
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Speaker 1: were at the network. But if what's really going on

545
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: here is it's because of how he handled the Cuomo thing,

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00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: that actually is oh, that is a worthy reason for

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00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: him to ultimately be fired, even though I mean all

548
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: of these people are rutten to the core. I mean,

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00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: think of what they've done to this country, and you know,

550
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was a horror show for this country, and

551
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker openly admitted being part of helping to deliver

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Speaker 1: him to the White House. So he's so culpable. He's

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00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: as culpable as anyone in the just totally toxic, destroyed,

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00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: divisive political atmosphere that's been created over the past number

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Speaker 1: of years. So to see him get his comeuppance for,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially if it is because really of what

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Speaker 1: happened with Cuomo, I mean that that is actually just

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Speaker 1: and the other thing on that radar online, that sort

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Speaker 1: of gossip rag that had this story of or so back.

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Speaker 1: The word is that Cuomo's people were shopping the story

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Speaker 1: to a lot of outlets and they're the only one

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Speaker 1: that would pick it up because they were afraid. Everybody's afraid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why these things don't come out long

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00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: before when they're quote unquote open secrets. It's because all

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00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: of these outlets do the calculation of, like, is it

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Speaker 1: worth it to get the story and then face the

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Speaker 1: ire of someone who's incredibly connected, incredibly powerful, not just

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Speaker 1: in media but in politics too, who has you know,

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Speaker 1: a streak for revenge, and everybody calculated over many years

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Speaker 1: that hey, it's just not worth it. So that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't hear about it till now. Well,

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Speaker 1: the bell tolls for the Jeff Sucker. I will say

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Speaker 1: the only good thing he ever did in his life

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Speaker 1: is he did green light Fear Factor with Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 1: He's the one who made Joe Rogan a household name. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's file. Actually, within the span of two years,

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Speaker 1: he green lit two shows, Fear Factor with Joe Rogan

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Speaker 1: and The Apprentice with Donald Trump. So what an impact

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Speaker 1: on history this man has had. Wow? Incredible. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: this story really pissed me off. It's very revealing of

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Speaker 1: what's actually going on in the economy right now. Go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this tweet up on the screen. So

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Speaker 1: Starbucks sends out this missivel we're gonna have to We're

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Speaker 1: forced to raise prices due to inflation and supply chain issues. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: but also, by the way, their profit last quarter went

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Speaker 1: up thirty one percent. They just gave their CEO a

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Speaker 1: thirty nine percent race to twenty point four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And if you dig into that New York Times article

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Speaker 1: that Dan Price there is linking to I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what they say. They say. The identical thing for

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Speaker 1: the last three months of last year, the company's profit

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Speaker 1: scored thirty one percent to eight hundred and sixteen million.

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Speaker 1: Revenue grew to eight point one billion. That's a nineteen

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Speaker 1: percent jump compared with the same quarter a year ago.

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Speaker 1: And also, by the way, this isn't the first time

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Speaker 1: that they raised prices. They also raise prices back in October.

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Speaker 1: So it just shows you it doesn't fit together that, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're under such pricing pressure we have to raise Probably

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Speaker 1: we're really sorry, but what can we do. And also, oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we're raking in record profits, so at

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Speaker 1: least some portion of the price increase is just because

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Speaker 1: they can. They raise prices in October twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, again they cop to this, they

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Speaker 1: admit to this, they say it all all on their

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Speaker 1: earnings call. They raise prices in October twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: they found that it didn't affect demand. Their customers were

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Speaker 1: still showing up. Demand for expensive not that great coffee

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00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: was still very, very high, and so they thought, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got away with it once we're able to lift

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Speaker 1: prices and get a record breaking profit margin, we're going

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Speaker 1: to do it again. And this as we've been trying

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate to you, and Matt Stiller had a great

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Speaker 1: piece on it. This is a crucial piece of the story.

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Speaker 1: It's not the whole story, it's a crucial piece of

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Speaker 1: the story of why prices are going up in key

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Speaker 1: sectors across the economy. The Prospect actually has a fantastic series.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this next tear sheet up

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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: on the screen, fantastic series about what is really going

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Speaker 1: on with inflation and proposing some novel solutions. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there won't be novel to you guys, but novel to

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Speaker 1: the DC establishment about how to fight inflation other than

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Speaker 1: just trying to like destroy the lives of the working

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Speaker 1: class so they have no money to spend. And antitrust

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Speaker 1: is a big part of that fight. Why because when

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Speaker 1: you have monopoly pricing power, it means that you can

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Speaker 1: use an excuse something like inflation to lift your prices

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Speaker 1: and to price gouge. And that is in fact what

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Speaker 1: we have seen in sector after sector, especially when it

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Speaker 1: comes to food, especially when it comes to gas, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to housing, when it comes to a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that really hit the bottom line. The last

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Speaker 1: thing that I want to point out that I think

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Speaker 1: is really interesting is you know how Biden did that

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Speaker 1: sort of like teppid calling out of the meat packing industry,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the worst defenders in terms of

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Speaker 1: massive consolidation, huge price spikes. They're the only ones that

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Speaker 1: are benefiting consumers are paying very high prices. None of

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Speaker 1: that is getting passed down to the ranchers who were

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Speaker 1: actually raising the cattle that go into the system. Well,

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Speaker 1: the mere threat, according to the Prospect, the mere threat

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Speaker 1: of anti trust investigation actually curbed price spikes in beef.

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Speaker 1: Beef prices rose every month from December twenty twenty until

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Speaker 1: December twenty twenty one, when they suddenly dropped by two

644
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Speaker 1: point three percent, right as President Biden was putting on

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Speaker 1: the heat. And a similar phenomenon occurred back under President

646
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy when he used the bully pulpit to admonish steel

647
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: companies in April nineteen sixty two. The price hikes were

648
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: rescinded within days. So what have we been saying for

649
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: a long time. If Biden would just get out there

650
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: and they just say some stuff and call these people

651
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: out and have a credible threat that hey, we're going

652
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: to do an anti trust investigator. We're going to look

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00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: at breaking you all up if you don't get these

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Speaker 1: prices under control and stop price gouging people. It actually

655
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: even a little tupid thing that he did actually had

656
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: a real impact here. So it's so important to understand

657
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Speaker 1: what the full picture of why prices are going up

658
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: really is. This is the power of the American presidency, Crystal.

659
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: People really do not understand just how powerful the bully

660
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: pulp it is. You know, this story broke this morning,

661
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: so I wanted to make sure I could highlight it

662
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: for everybody that Shell's profits have actually gone up to

663
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Speaker 1: historic proportions. Wow, even though they claim that the price

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Speaker 1: of oil and natural gas is at an all time high.

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Speaker 1: So once again the price is high for you. Your

666
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: balance sheet screwed. Shell balance sheet high also, Crystal, where

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00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: do you think that they're going to be investing. There

668
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: are hundreds of millions of dollars in extra profit that

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Speaker 1: they made this year. Is it going to be in

670
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Speaker 1: new drilling, Is it going to be in expanding infrastructure.

671
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: Is it going to be in any thing profitable for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the country or for themselves. No, all

673
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: of it is going to buying back their own shares

674
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Speaker 1: in order to increase the price of their freaking stock dividend. Now,

675
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Speaker 1: once again that's within their rights. But here's the problem. Here,

676
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: here's the problem with the American economy. You pay more,

677
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: they claim that they're transferring the price to you, their

678
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: profit goes up, they buy back their own stock. Then

679
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: they use that in order to juice the dividend for

680
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: their stockholders, increasing the overall price of which they borrow

681
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: assets against of which they don't have to pay any taxes,

682
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: and everybody gets rich except for you. That's how it's

683
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: all rigged, and this is why it drives me crazy.

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Speaker 1: Same with the stock example, which is okay, let's say

685
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Speaker 1: they have the profit. Fine, then at least you have

686
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: to use it in order to make the pros of

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Speaker 1: oil go down in the future. Do you know the

688
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: amount of subsidies that these people get. It's unbelievable. In

689
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: the tax code in Texas, drilling right, tax benefits, write offs, appreciation, bought,

690
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: the entire judiciary system right, ran everything right, like all

691
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: stacked forward, and they still use it in order to

692
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: buy back their own stock and increase the dividend price

693
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: while everybody else gets screwed. The price of oil and

694
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Speaker 1: gas continues to go up, their profits continues to go up,

695
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Speaker 1: and nobody is investing in making sure that any of

696
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Speaker 1: it goes down. Sound familiar, same thing whenever it comes

697
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Speaker 1: to Starbucks. And the reason I'm focusing on the gas

698
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: story is because what that's fifty percent of all incuation?

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00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: Part that is the number one increase for average Americans. Man,

700
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: the costco gas lines these days are very long, and

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Speaker 1: I get it. This is why, because it's a huge

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Speaker 1: line item increase for a vast majority of families. And

703
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: how many people know this? Why is the president not

704
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: decrying this every day? You know what, I'm just a

705
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: freaking guy on YouTube. Actually a lot of people know it.

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Speaker 1: I mean we thought, we saw that poll that majority

707
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Speaker 1: of Americans understand that corporate greed is a big part

708
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Speaker 1: of inflation. But yeah, I mean, this is one of

709
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: those examples where you know, the Democrats, the one thing

710
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: they're great at is coming up with excuses for why

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Speaker 1: they can't do anything. Oh, Joe Manchibro, Kirsten Cinema, the Republicans, Oh,

712
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Speaker 1: the PARLIAMENTARIANSO. It's just really hard. This is something that

713
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of control over. I mean, first

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Speaker 1: of all, just the executive branch. In terms of anti

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Speaker 1: trust enforcement, you have a lot of levers you can

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Speaker 1: pull there. But just in terms of the bully pulpit

717
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: we've seen now, it seems like it works somewhat with

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Speaker 1: beef prices. Do that more. I mean, that's like one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent in your control. All they did is like

720
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Speaker 1: put out one little press release and did like one

721
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Speaker 1: little press conference, and that was it. It stopped the rise.

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Speaker 1: Every single month for a year, beef prices had been rising,

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Speaker 1: and then suddenly they do that and drops two point

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Speaker 1: three percent. And just so you know that we're not

725
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Speaker 1: cherry picking here, a couple of Oh it's just Shell

726
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: or it's just Starbucks. Food and water Watch put together

727
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of statistics about some of the key sort

728
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Speaker 1: of monopoly power in different sectors, especially with regards to

729
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: food and gas. They crunch the numbers on the oil

730
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: companies and found exactly what you're laying out there. Their

731
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: profit margins are through the roof, and yet they're telling

732
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Speaker 1: you all, we have to charge you this much for gasoline.

733
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Speaker 1: You look at Purdue in terms of food prices, meat prices,

734
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Speaker 1: their profits are up twelve point seven percent. You look

735
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Speaker 1: at Cargill seventeen point three percent. Within the grocery industry,

736
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Speaker 1: Walmart is up about seven percent, Kroger is up eight percent,

737
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Speaker 1: Costco is up nine percent. So this idea that, oh,

738
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Speaker 1: they're just under so much pressure that they have to

739
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: pass on higher prices to you is largely just bullshit,

740
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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to these large monopoly players who

741
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: have so much control, almost an iron fisted control, over

742
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: these markets. They're just lying, and they're telling their investors

743
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: the truth, which is that we've found we can raise

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Speaker 1: prices and get away with it. So that's what we're

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Speaker 1: going to keep doing. Point to another one. UPS yesterday

746
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: posted a three point one billion dollar fourth quarter profit,

747
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Speaker 1: surpassing analyst expectations, and they're going to be increasing their

748
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Speaker 1: dividend by fifty percent. This is a supply chain company, right,

749
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Speaker 1: there's some deliver our stuff. They're always sending us an email, Oh,

750
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be delayed because of supply chain. Three point

751
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: one billion they're putting in the bank and all what

752
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: these UPS drivers, you know, the unionized one's doing okay.

753
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Speaker 1: But we're hearing some rumblings about what might happen in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. I would tell you guys to go

755
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: ahead and take note of that same XOM just once

756
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: again so you know I'm not cherry picking. Xon is

757
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: also up, you know, going to be increasing. Their share

758
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: price is up six percent on the news, and they're

759
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: also going to be resuming a ten billion dollar stock

760
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Speaker 1: buy back over the next two years. Crystal, you are

761
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: you guys sensing a theme here? Price goes up for you,

762
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: they use that in order to jack up the price.

763
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Speaker 1: And it's not all of it. There's definitely supply chain concerns.

764
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Like don't get us wrong, but what what's going on

765
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes is making sure that only they and

766
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Speaker 1: the richest people in the country continue to get richer

767
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: while they actually do it directly at your expense. Yeah,

768
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: in this case, that's the most disgusting part. The other

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00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: reason the stock buy back thing is really important is because,

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Speaker 1: I mean, part of what we saw leading into the

771
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: pandemic is all of these big companies got huge tax

772
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: break under Trump. They were flushed with cash, and they

773
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: used it rather than investment or saving it or any

774
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, making sure that they weren't in a fragile position.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them used it for stock buybacks, and

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Speaker 1: then when the pandemic hit, you add a lot of

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Speaker 1: industries that were in very vulnerable positions. The airlines are

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Speaker 1: a perfect example of that, where then you know, they're

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00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: these two big defail companies. They've got their lobbyist position

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Speaker 1: to get their custom written bailouts, and I you know,

781
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: supported the airline balance to make sure that the weaker

782
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: stay employed. But part of the story is that when

783
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: they irresponsibly use this money just to juice their own

784
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: wallets and the wallets of their investors, that puts them

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00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: in a precarious position for if there is a market downturn,

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Speaker 1: which you know a lot of analysts say that we

787
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: may well have. So that's the other piece of this story. Yeah,

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00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: that's right, all right, So let's go what does the

789
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: logical conclusion of all of us lead to to these

790
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: very very rich folks, what do they spend their money on. Well,

791
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: this is just a symbol of everything wrong in the world.

792
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: Let's put it and put this up there on the screen.

793
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: And I love I specifically got the Washington Post right

794
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: up of this because I wanted to see what they

795
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: included and what they didn't. Given that Bezos owns it,

796
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: Rotterdam will be dismantling part of a historic bridge so

797
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: that Jeff Bezos's massive yacht can pass through. Not a joke,

798
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos is four hundred and seventeen foot long, three

799
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: mossed yacht can now pass through the waterway sometime this summer,

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Speaker 1: according to the spokesperson for the city, the Conning Shaven Bridge,

801
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 1: I think Coning means king, so something like that will

802
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: be had to be partially dismantled because the yacht, which

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Speaker 1: has cost an estimated five hundred million dollars in the

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Speaker 1: nearby city of all al Blasserdam, Sorry Hollanders, which is

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00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: I guess you guys still build great ships. So that's

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00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: why Bezos chose you needs to be able to pass

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00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: through the city of Rotterdam to eventually get through that.

808
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: But the city's historic steel bridge has a clearance of

809
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: just over one hundred and thirty feet. Now, just to

810
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: give you an example of this bridge, it was built

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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty seven. It was a railway bridge, one

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00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: of the very first kind in Europe. It was actually

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00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: decommissioned in ninety four after it was replaced by a tunnel,

814
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: but it was declared a national monument, and the bridge

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Speaker 1: actually underwent a major restoration in twenty fourteen because they

816
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: said it would not be dismantled again at the time.

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00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: That's what they said, and yet they have now agreed

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Speaker 1: that they will be dismantling the bridge in order for

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Speaker 1: the yacht to be able to pass through. The only

820
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: not insult injury is that yes, bezos will be paying

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Speaker 1: for the dismantling. I guess that's fine. But just this

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00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: symbol of a historic bridge which was once the pride

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Speaker 1: of the Netherlands to be partially dismantled and reassembled after

824
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Speaker 1: they said they wouldn't do it anymore after it was restored,

825
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: just so the guy's yacht can get from the shipyard

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Speaker 1: to the open sea. What else? It's a billionaire the

827
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Speaker 1: women five million, five hundred million dollar yacht, the most

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Speaker 1: one of the most expensive yachts in the history of mankind.

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Speaker 1: In fact, this yacht, let's put this next one up there,

830
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: cost five hundred million dollars and is so big it

831
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Speaker 1: actually requires a little support yacht in order to track

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Speaker 1: it and follow it around, which includes like helipads and

833
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: all sorts of other crazy stuff. The existence of the

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Speaker 1: yacht was actually first reported by Brad Stone in his

835
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Speaker 1: book about Amazon. But this really yeah, so it was

836
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Speaker 1: all kept under wraps. A lot of this was never

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Speaker 1: even supposed to hit the public. And thanks to brad

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00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: for uncovering it to the world. Just exactly this half

839
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Speaker 1: a billion dollar yacht and what this thing looks like.

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Speaker 1: This puts Bezos on par in gaudiness with Mohammed bin

841
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Speaker 1: Salmon of Saudi Arabia at least. So he is probably

842
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: the largest sailing yacht in the entire world. Wow. So yeah,

843
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: so he's bested them, He's bested them. He's a sultan,

844
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: He's a king. He's certainly the sultan. He certainly sees

845
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: himself that way. The whole world is his playground to

846
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: be done with as he wishes. Just compare that with

847
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: the treatment of people like Dai Kwon Smith who we

848
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: covered here, who was made homeless, lost everything, forced him

849
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: to a homeless shelter because he was fired by Amazon.

850
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: What was his crime union organizing? Or think about the

851
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: treatment of Chris Mall's. Or think about the treatment of

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Speaker 1: literally any Amazon worker who is out there hustling, either

853
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: at a fulfillment center, in the warehouse or driving delivering packages,

854
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: having to pee in a bottle in order to make

855
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: it on time. And then this man and oh, by

856
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: the way, I mean, his tax rate way lower than

857
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: what you or I or any of you people out

858
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: there listening pay, and you know, making sure that that

859
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: continues to be the case. It's just a perfect symbol

860
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: of where we're at. I mean, this is the type

861
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: of stuff that when we look back on this era

862
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: and we think of it as a new, even more

863
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: decadent Gilded Age, these are the types of signs and

864
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: symbols that we will point to of the just disgusting

865
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: large s of the richest among us, who really see

866
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: themselves as masters of the universe, who can, you know,

867
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: use people's bridges, historic bridges as playthings. I also thought

868
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: it was really interesting the justification of the city. They

869
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: said that they were doing this. They weighed whether or

870
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: not to do it. They said, on the one hand,

871
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: there's the economic importance and employment due to the construction

872
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: of the ship. On the other hand, our concern for

873
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: the bridge itself. And of course it came down on

874
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: the side of quote unquote preserving employment, which I think

875
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: is also the very symbolic of the way that our

876
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: economies are just like centered around catering to billionaires. I mean,

877
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: if you blame them, they want to keep their historic

878
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: shipbuilding industry a lot, right, It's not their fault. This

879
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: isn't the city and this is the buying that everybody

880
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 1: ends up in. Is like, you know, because these people

881
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: have so much power and control, and this is just

882
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: on you know, a small scale, like one little narrow example.

883
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: But because they have so much power and control, you're

884
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: just subject to their whims, right, So you know, that's

885
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: why when you had the Amazon headquarters competition, you had

886
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: all these cities just like throwing themselves at Amazon, one

887
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: of the richest companies in the entire world, and they're

888
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: out offering up hundreds of millions of dollars in stuff. Leave,

889
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: come and create some jobs, have to honestly, that's right,

890
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, so it really says it all. This is

891
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: just a little microcosm of how our whole system is

892
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: structured around the whims of these disgusting people who have

893
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: rigged the system so that everything good times are to

894
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: their benefit, christ are even more to their benefit. They

895
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: get further and further and further ahead and do everything

896
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: they can to try to leave the rest of the

897
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: population behind me. I forgot to mention about the bridge

898
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: is actually bombed by the Nazis in nineteen forty and

899
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean this that's the other you know,

900
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: this is the symbol of the bridge being dismantled for

901
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: these purposes. That's for it was declared and national monument.

902
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a huge bridge. Like just to

903
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: give people an idea, we showed the picture previously. There's

904
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: like a square part in the middle that goes up

905
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty feet. This thing is so big

906
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: it came in pass through it. And you know, by

907
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: the way the Washington Post they left that Nazi part

908
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: out just so really aware. Yeah, interesting, was it intentional?

909
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, it's funny, right because when

910
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: he owns the paper and he owns this And I

911
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: just found out actually this morning that the Martin Luther

912
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: King Junior Library has a new auditorium that they will

913
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: be unveiling today and that auditorium is the Jeff Bezos

914
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: Auditorium at the Martin Luther King Library. And as some

915
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: people will have pointed out in the later parts of

916
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: his life, Doctor King, one of his furthest one of

917
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: his new causes on top of civil rights after accomplishing

918
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, was

919
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: actually wealth inequality and wealth disparity. It was the central

920
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: thing that he was preaching in the nineteen sixty eight

921
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: And is it. What does it tell you the Jeff

922
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Bezos Auditorium at the Martin Luther King Junior Library, because

923
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: our city here in Washington is basically for sale. I

924
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: mean they're pointing to the fact that the Bezos Auditorium

925
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: is a symbol of how Washington is basically letting corporations

926
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: come in and basically run the game. I mean, we're

927
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: talking about how the Bezos Auditorium and several other places,

928
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: including TikTok and others, are naming historic areas here in DC.

929
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: It really is just disgusting, Crystal, because you know, now

930
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: we have the whole Washington Commander's thing, the whole city

931
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: and the government is based on for sale to a

932
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of these people. Bezos, of course, owns the largest

933
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: home here in the Washington, DC area. I mean I've

934
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: walked past it. It's three homes joined into into a

935
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: single thing. It's one hundred million dollar converted mansion and

936
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: the reason why, specifically to project power and inspire fear

937
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: amongst lawmakers here in this and to whitewash your image

938
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: and been done. Yeah, exactly, which why you you know,

939
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: give Vin BEZOSDOTI two and Barack Obama nobamba one hundred

940
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's nothing for him. There is some good news, though,

941
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: which is that the Amazon Labor Union, new union that

942
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: was formed specifically for the purpose of trying to organize

943
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: Amazon workers that our friend Christian Smalls is involved with,

944
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: they filed for a union election now at a second

945
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: Amazon warehouse on Staten Island. That warehouse is known as

946
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: l d J five is a sorting center with fifteen

947
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: hundred workers according to a roster that a reporter got

948
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: last month. So this comes on top of the other

949
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: Staten Island warehouse that Chris Mall's was originally file fired from.

950
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: They also just gathered enough signatures to trigger a union election,

951
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: which of course comes on top of the redo that

952
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: they're having in Best Maralabama. Listen, you wouldn't want to

953
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: bet that any of these one organizing efforts are going

954
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: to work out, just because we know how long the

955
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: ads are, We know the power and the weight that

956
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, someone like Bezos and his company can throw around,

957
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: the threats, the bullying and intimidation, the surveillance, all of

958
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: that stuff, I mean in the all right rigging, which

959
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: is what they found in Best Mora, Alabama. But just

960
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: like what we're seeing with Starbucks, once you have when

961
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: it's when it's more than just one, once you start

962
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: to have Domino's fall and more and more union efforts occurring,

963
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: it becomes harder to focus all your resources targeting one

964
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: single election. It becomes a lot harder when you have

965
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: more that you have to spread them out over. So

966
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: the more that we see in this direction, the more

967
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: encouraging it is. And I do think that, like with Starbucks,

968
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: if you had one that was able to unionize, was

969
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: able to successfully organize, you could start to have that

970
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: same Domino effect where people take courage and say, hey,

971
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: if they can do it there, maybe we can do

972
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: it here. And we see the benefits that's conferring on them,

973
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: We see the power they're gaining in their own workplace.

974
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: So there is some positive pushback led by some extraordinarily

975
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: courageous and selfless people have really put their own livelihoods

976
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: on the line in order to make this happen, so

977
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: something we will definitely continue to follow closely. Got it,

978
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: all right, let's get to the big one, Crystal. You

979
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: guys have been waiting on this one. At least I've

980
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: been waiting to talk about those, because I actually do

981
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: think it's a really interesting story. We'll be Goldberg. Okay.

982
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: Over on the View, they were having a conversation about

983
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: this graphic novel called Mouse that I guess was take

984
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: pulled off of a reading list in a school I

985
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: think in and it's about the Holocaust. So they're having

986
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: this discussion about this when whoopee drops some very questionable

987
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: historic or ahistoric remarks about the Holocaust. Let's take a

988
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: listen to how that went. Well. Also, if you're going

989
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: to do this, then let's be truthful about it, because

990
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: the Holocaust isn't about race. No, No, it's not about

991
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: it's about different but it's it's not about race. It's

992
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: not about race, because it's about man's inhumanity to man.

993
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. But it's about white supremacy. But

994
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: it's not about race. But these are white groups of people.

995
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: But how do we have to but you're missing the point.

996
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: You're missing the point the minute you turn it into race.

997
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: It goes down this alley. Let's talk about it for

998
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: what it is. It's how people treat each other. It's

999
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: oh between she was about to say between white people,

1000
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: and that was the part that I actually found the

1001
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: worst is when she's like, this is between two groups

1002
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: of white people. So it's between y'all. So of course

1003
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: this goes over like a lead balloon. Everyone reminds me

1004
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: the Nazis definitely, they definitely thought it was a racial thing.

1005
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: They definitely old master race. That was the whole deal.

1006
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: They you know, I mean they even look to the

1007
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: US Jim Crow regime for inspiration of how to execute

1008
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: their own racist regime. So a historic She's right that

1009
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: it's also about man's in humanity. Dude, Yeah, that is definitely. Yeah,

1010
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: that's what racism actually ultimately really is. Okay, so this

1011
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: doesn't go well. Obviously there's a big outcry, people freaking out,

1012
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: and so she goes on Colbert to try to clean

1013
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: this up. We would show you the clip, but we

1014
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: get copyright. Colbert, stop being so annoying about co super irritating.

1015
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: So she starts by trying to say the right things

1016
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: of like, I get it, I hear you. But then

1017
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: when it's very becomes very clear that she doesn't actually

1018
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: she her mind has not been changed. She really sort

1019
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: of sticks with her original point. She said Nazis quote

1020
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: had issues with ethnicity, not with race, because most of

1021
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: the Nazis were white people, and most of the people

1022
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: they were attacking were white people. So to me, I'm thinking,

1023
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: how can you say it's about race if you are

1024
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: fighting each other. So ultimately, after a pretty long discussion,

1025
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: it's very clear that she still really is sticking by

1026
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: her original point. And the more she talks about the

1027
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: more you realize that she really sees race within you know,

1028
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: what is kind of the typical American construct of black

1029
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: versus white, And in fact, I mean that is the

1030
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: primary Obviously we have all kinds of different people of

1031
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: all sorts of backgrounds here in this country, but throughout history,

1032
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: the primary binary has been between black and white. And

1033
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: that's where, you know, the legal codification of discrimination is

1034
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: based on that effect, that matrix. And so she is

1035
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: thinking and continuing to assert, if I can't see the

1036
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: skin color difference between two groups of people, then, to me,

1037
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: it's not racism and it's not race So she doesn't

1038
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: do a very good job ultimately cleaning this up, not

1039
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: the satisfaction of people, And let's go ahead and put

1040
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: this next piece up on the screen from Rolling Stone.

1041
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: So then they feel like, all right, we got a suspender,

1042
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: which is obnoxious ABC News and they put out this

1043
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: very like patronizing statement about Will whoopee has apologized. I've

1044
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 1: asked her to take time to reflect and learn about

1045
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: the impact of her comments. Ah, I know. And then

1046
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: the last piece let's go ahead and put the Daily

1047
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: Beasts tear sheet up on the screen, is that her

1048
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: co hoster are really pissed off that they ultimately suspended her.

1049
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: Multiple sources tell The Daily Beasts that her co hosts

1050
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: Sonny Houston and Joy Behar and Anna Navara are all

1051
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: furious with the network's decision here. So I think the

1052
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: easy part first, which is that, I mean, obviously the

1053
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: show we don't believe in, like canceling people and censoring

1054
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: people and all of this, Like a lot of this

1055
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: is I'm not saying her comments were correct. They were

1056
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: obviously a historic and ignorant, but this smearing of her

1057
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: as like a blanket anti Semite is also ridiculous. It's

1058
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: not like she denied the Holocaust. It's not like she

1059
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: was like, actually, the Holocaust was a good thing or

1060
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: those Jews really deserved it. Her she's saying this was

1061
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: a really bad thing. She obviously had some ignorance around

1062
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: the sort of dynamics, the racial dynamics that were at play,

1063
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Speaker 1: But to suspend her over this is ultimately, to me

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: a sort of theatrical show and release. I'm with you,

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00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: this is just good old fashioned boomer ignorance. And you know,

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00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: it's like one of those things are like Okay, yeah,

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00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: whoope's an idiot sometimes. I mean, if we were gonna

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00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: suspend people from the view, the view would never exist

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: for saying dumb ignorant things. Yes, canceled the show. If

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00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: this is part of the standard and what you're gonna say,

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00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was ludicrous that she was suspended for it.

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00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look, she came out with her fake apology

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: all of this. It's clear to me her mind has

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00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: been rotted by critical race theory and by a lot

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00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: of stuff. I actually, you know, in some ways, I

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00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: feel like this is kind of a silly and semantic debate.

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00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Freddy de Bor and he had a

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00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: good piece about this. He's like, you know, whatever you

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00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: want to call it, Like, the point is the six

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Speaker 1: million murders, and so what is race? Race is a

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00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: system that human beings constructed as a form of like

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: putting this group above that group. It's pretty arbitrary and

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00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: invent hierarchy. Yeah, it's in a hierarchical way. And we

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: had our version of it here, which, as I mentioned,

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: was primarily this black white dynamic, which is what will

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00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: we grew up with and what she sort of has

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00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: in her mind when she thinks of this is what

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00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: race is. Ultimately, though, I mean, all of these ideas

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: are invented by human beings. So I do find it

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00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: a kind of semantic debate over was it racism? Was

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00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: it not racism? I mean, I think we can all great, Yes,

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: the Nazis obviously thought they were engaged in a racial project.

1093
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: But does someone deserve to be like kicked out of

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00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: the public square and you know, shunned and suspended for

1095
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: two weeks because they in their mind were thinking, well,

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00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: this was at its core about man's in humanity to man. Well,

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00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: that is true. It is about man's in humanity to man.

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00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: But that's also the core of what white supremacy and

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00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: racism is about. And she missed that there are other

1100
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: racist dynamics that can be at play in other contexts

1101
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: than just black versa. That's how I saw I saw

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00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: it as like privileged protection. It's like, yeah, but we

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00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, this is about racism here, that is about

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00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: something else. So to try and compare the two, it's like, no,

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00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: they're actually pretty similar. Privilege protection. That's a good way

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: of putting it, because there was like a sort of defensiveness.

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00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: It's another thing that Freddie Wright, she has a sort

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00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: of like territorials specific in its own. Real racism is

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: is about skin color. This was something else somebody else, which, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I take issue with that. Again, I think

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01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: suspending her over it is ultimately Oh look, I don't

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01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: think she should be suspended. Like I said, if you're

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01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: going to suspend whoope, then you have to spend all

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01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: of them for saying ignorant, you know, stupid stuff on

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01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: the view at all times. It's just a ridiculous way

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01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: in which we conduct ourselves in public. Also, this is fake.

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01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: We all know it's fake for two weeks because they

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01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: wanted to go away and not real too. Is just like,

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01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, people looking for a reason to pretend that

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01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: they're outraged. Oh yeah, lot of people were gunning for her,

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01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: trying to get her canceled, just because they didn't like

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01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: what she said about So look, I can't stand with Goldberg.

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: I can't stand with you either, but look whatever, okay,

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01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, why do we have to go to

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01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: the song and dance? You know? It was interesting too

1126
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: because after all of this happened, they did a segment

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: on Rogan and they actually sort of like half defended him,

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: and I was wondering if their position would have been

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01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: different had they not been facing their own Well, they

1130
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: have sort of cancelation the transfuctuation. Yeah, shouldn't be allowed

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01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: to moderates. Yeah. Now, I've also found it interesting that

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Speaker 1: there are some mainstream figures who would be the type

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: to trash Rogan call for a censorship, and lots of

1134
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: other people too besides Rogan, But they're going to bat

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Speaker 1: for whoopee. They know her heart, she's not an anti Semite,

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01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, which I agree, I mean, I

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: don't know, WHOOPI Goldber. I don't know if she's an

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: anti Semite or not, but to just take these comments

1139
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: and smear her as some sort of like deplorable, youredeemable

1140
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: racist is completely you seelf. Franken said what she said,

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01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: She can't be an anti Semite because she chose Goldberg

1142
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: for a lass. You would say something like that, Okay,

1143
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: I'll you know what, I'm not even saying she's anti Semitic,

1144
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: but that's got to be the stupidest defense I've ever

1145
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: heard in my entire life. So anyway, if you're a

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: public free whoope, with a little bit of like humility,

1147
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: let's just say that if you are on TV, if

1148
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: you're in the public eye for a long time, you're

1149
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna say some that is not good. Oh, we've been

1150
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: doing this for a couple of years. Three years. Yeah,

1151
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: two hours a day, five days a week roughly for

1152
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: three years. That's seven Oh god, you guys are almost

1153
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: one thousand days roughly, give or take, so like minus

1154
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: the weekends. That's like eight hundred days times two hours.

1155
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's thousands of hours. And she's been

1156
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: doing a few for how she's been doing this for

1157
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: thirty five years. I mean, you got to have some

1158
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: understanding of sometimes people are going to say something double shit.

1159
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: It happens, you know. And the part I actually found

1160
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: the saddest about it is if you listen to the

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01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: whole Colbert exchange, which is pretty interesting, to listen to

1162
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and how she's clearly like she's hanging

1163
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: on to that No, No, the real racism is black

1164
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: versus white. But at the end, rather than saying I

1165
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: get it, and I understand why I was wrong, and

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01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: so I'm going to take that into account my commentary

1167
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: going forward, she says, I'm just not going to talk

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01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: about it anymore. So, I mean it's very clear if

1169
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: you watch it, she she has not made changed her mind.

1170
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: She still sort of stands by her point. Instead, her

1171
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: response is just I'm not gonna say shit about it anymore.

1172
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: And I find that kind of sad because I actually think,

1173
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: even though her view is, you know, a historic I

1174
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: actually think if you did have a long discussion about this,

1175
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: and it's an uncomfortable topic, and you had people who

1176
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: were experts and who could talk from a historical perspective,

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: who could talk about the histories and origins of race

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01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: and racial constructs and what that meant. If you had

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01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: the space to do that, that would actually be a

1180
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: worthwhile and interesting conversation that I think people could get

1181
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 1: a lot out. But instead, what the response is, First

1182
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 1: of all, you could never have that conversation a show

1183
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: like The View because it's just too stupid. You don't

1184
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: have enough time to do it. But instead, what the

1185
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: response is from our culture is, you know what, I'm

1186
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: just not going to touch that topic anymore. My mind

1187
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: isn't changed, and I'm not delving into like the complexities

1188
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: of it that are obviously uncomfortable for people. Instead, I'm

1189
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: just going to not say anything about it, which is

1190
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: kind of a sad respect. No, that's the wrong way

1191
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: to go about all this. Yeah, congratulations, cancel culture, you

1192
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: win again, Crystal. We're you taking a look at well, guys,

1193
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: this is truly one of the most ghastly and dystopian

1194
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: stories that I can imagine, which also perfectly sums up

1195
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: the times that we are living in right now. So

1196
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: imagine that you are going through the worst life crisis

1197
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: that you can possibly contemplate. Maybe you're a teen and

1198
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: a repressive religious household who suspects that you might be

1199
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: gay and you're caught between living as you are and

1200
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: being cut off from your family and your entire community.

1201
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you're a young woman who's caught in a violent

1202
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: relationship and no idea how to break free. Maybe you've

1203
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: lost your job, you're facing bankruptcy, you're struggling with addiction.

1204
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: You feel that your existence on this planet is nothing

1205
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: but pain and despair. So in desperation, you reach out

1206
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: to the network of volunteers who are staffing something called

1207
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: the Crisis text Line. You share your darkest thoughts about

1208
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: the gun that's sitting in front of you, or the

1209
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: balcony that's outside of your apartment. What you don't know

1210
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: is that some of the most powerful billionaires in the

1211
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: world are backing Crisis text Line, and they aren't just

1212
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Because

1213
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: all of those deeply private and painful moments, while they're

1214
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: valuable to our tech overlords, your words, your cries for help,

1215
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: your personal data, it can all be packaged up and resold,

1216
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: a sort of financialization of your despair. Just listen to

1217
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: how Crisis text Line CEO, in a twenty fifteen Ted talk,

1218
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: describe the type of deeply personal and painful moments that

1219
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: are routinely shared with this service. Text is unbelievably private.

1220
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: No one hears you talking. So we spike every day

1221
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: at lunchtime. Kids are sitting at the lunch table, and

1222
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: you think that she's texting the cute boy across the hall,

1223
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: but she's actually texting us about her bolimia. And we

1224
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: don't get the word like or um or hyperventilating or crying.

1225
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: We just get facts. We get things like I want

1226
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: to die. I have a bottle of pills on the

1227
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: desk in front of me, And so the crisis counselor says,

1228
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: how about you put those pills in the drawer while

1229
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: we text, And they go back and forth for a while,

1230
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: and the crisis counselor gets the girl to give her

1231
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: her address, because if you're texting a text line, you

1232
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: want help. So she gets the address, and the counselor

1233
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: triggers an active rescue while they're texting back and forth,

1234
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: and then it goes quiet twenty three minutes with no

1235
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: response from this girl, And the next message that comes

1236
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: in says, it's the mom. I had no idea and

1237
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: I was in the house we're in an ambulance on

1238
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: our way to the hospital as a mom. That one

1239
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: just that's the next message comes a month later. I

1240
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: just got out of the hospital. I was diagnosed as bipolar,

1241
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: and I think I'm going to be okay. But for

1242
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: the CEO, those interactions, those personal exchanges, that's not really

1243
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: what get her juice is flowing. But the thing that

1244
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: really gets me hot and sweating about this, the thing

1245
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: that really gets me psyched is the data. Six point

1246
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: five million messages. That's the volume, velocity, and variety to

1247
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: provide a really juicy corpus. We can do things like

1248
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: predictive work. We can do all kinds of conclusions and

1249
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: learnings from that data set, so we can be better

1250
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: and the world can be better. Naturally. I went unmentioned

1251
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: at that Ted talk that this really juicy corpus of

1252
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: data would also be sold off for profit. According to Politico,

1253
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: the organization's for profit spinoff uses a sliced and repackaged

1254
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: version of that information to create and market customer service software.

1255
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: In other words, your pain is literally their gain. The

1256
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: more desperate people who find themselves at their wits end,

1257
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: all the more data they can sell off to their

1258
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: for profit arm all legal because you've technically signed off

1259
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: on their fifty paragraph disclosure somewhere buried and all that

1260
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: legal ease, you've granted them permission to harvest and sell

1261
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: your pain. Who's who of Silicon Valley is involved in

1262
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: this effort Read Hoffman, Melinda Gates, pier O Midyar In Many,

1263
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 1: War and business frankly must be booming, cashing in on

1264
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: our nation's skyrocketing rates of deaths of despair. The for

1265
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: profit arm of crisis text line is called Loris. They're

1266
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: an AI customer service company with customers like Lift and

1267
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: Meal subscription service Freshly. Their website explains what they do

1268
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: with all of this financialized grief. Quote, We've baked all

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Speaker 1: of our learning into enterprise software that helps companies boost

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Speaker 1: empathy and the bottom line. If that's not late stage capitalism,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know what is billionaires feasting on the

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Speaker 1: pain of a nation to further enrich themselves. I truly

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 1: have no words for how disgusting all of this is.

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01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: I really shouldn't just pick on crisis text line, though

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01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: financialized despair is really one of America's top products. After all,

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,879
Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed to compete with the opioid merchants

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01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: of death that Purdue Pharma, who similarly capitalize on the

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01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,440
Speaker 1: despair of the blue collar, jobless folks out in Appalachia,

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Speaker 1: to the tune of billions of dollars. I mean, Big Pharma.

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Speaker 1: They really do consistently take the cake for sheer sociopathy,

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01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: don't they. Right now they are actively denying billions around

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: the world access to a life saving vaccine because letting

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: go of their patent rights would leave their profits merely

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: at historic levels rather than astronomical levels. And of course

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Speaker 1: we can't leave out the war profiteers over at Raitheon,

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: North Grumman, Lockheed Martin and Moore. Raitheon CEO in particular

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Speaker 1: recently delighted in the escalated tensions in Ukraine and the

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Speaker 1: South China Sea and drone attacks and the UIE telling

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01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: his investors quote, all of those things are putting pressure

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Speaker 1: on some of the defense bending over there. So I

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01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: fully expect we're going to see some benefit from it.

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Speaker 1: Hooray for war, Go pandemic, go to the Moon's suicide rate.

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: When there's a profit to be made off of pain,

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01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: war death, sickness, addiction, guess what you're going to see

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01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: more pain, war, death, sickness, and addiction. And I confess

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01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: I've become more and more radicalized as I've really contemplated

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: this state of affairs. The core rot that we track

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: here will only recede once we have a system that

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Speaker 1: actually values and incentivizes humanity, meaning and flourishing rather than

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01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: profiteering and profiteering alone. But the good news is we

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: don't have to overthrow the entire system to deal with

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01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: this particular exploitative nastiness. We could start by just banning

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: this particular shit. And by this shit, I mean surveillance capitalism,

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: whereby our tech oligarchs buy and sell you as a

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01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: product rather than trying to serve you as their customer.

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01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: Crisis text line is a particularly gruesome example of how

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01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: corrosive this practice is. But it's the same business model

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: as Facebook and Google and all the other social media giants.

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: It's easy to have the illusion that you are the

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: client being served by this product or not. As Johann

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: Hari lays out and stolen focus, your every click, your

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: rageful post, your thirst trap, your petty squabble, all of

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: that is being mined and being sold. Your very being

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01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: in essence as a person is preyed on, surveiled, packaged,

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: and shipped off to the highest bidder. And of course,

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01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: the more they're able to enrage and distract and incite you,

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01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: the more time you spend on their sites, the more

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: they're able to profit. Their very business model is to

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: steal your time and warp your mind so that they

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: can sell the fragmented pieces of you to other oligarchs.

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01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: And this makes it all so much worse because they

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: aren't just selling you, They are actively warping and shaping

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01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: you to be angry and distracted and addicted, and to

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: perform your duties as the good little consumer that they

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: care about. If you want to understand how a country

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: could have so much wealth and yet be racked by

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01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: so much misery, addiction, anger to spare, just ask yourself

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01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: who stands to profit off of that state of affairs.

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: As long as there's money to be made off of

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: your pain and your sickness, these gouals will make sure

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we keep producing. Can you imagine anything

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: more dark than taking? And if you want to hear

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01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a Premium subscriber today

1334
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Sager, what are you

1335
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: looking at? This pandemic should have been a wake up

1336
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 1: call for all of us. It's not a coincidence the

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01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: United States has fared so badly whenever it comes to

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: coronavirus deaths compared to the rest of the world. Now,

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01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: the media is going to have you believe that it's

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01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: all because of larger proportional unvaccinated population, and while yeah,

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: that's a factor, the truth is a lot more intuitive.

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: We are fat and deeply unhealthy as a country, with

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Speaker 1: major underlying health problems that make any illness, not just

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: COVID a ton more dangerous to our entire population. There's

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: been almost no discussion of this, both before the availability

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Speaker 1: of vaccines and even nearly one year afterwards. The New

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: York Times analysis of the why the US has more

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01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 1: cumulative debts per one hundred thousand does not mention obesity

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: one time, underlying health conditions, comorbidities, nothing. They just blame

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01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: higher deaths on the lack of booster shots amongst the elderly,

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: and once again, yeah, that would help for sure, But

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01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: why are so many of these people so sick? They're

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: going to be hospitalized and die from COVID in the

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01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: first place. If you actually look beneath the surface, the

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: answer is staring all of us in the face. The

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: official numbers for twenty twenty one are in and sadly,

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01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Americans died of diabetes for a second

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Speaker 1: year in a row. It is no coincidence that this

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: occurred in the last two years during a pandemic, and

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01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: that from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty, diabetes deaths went

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01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: up by an astounding seventeen percent. From that baseline, they

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: grew another fifteen that's just deaths. The latest figures show

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01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: that eleven percent of the entire US population has diabetes.

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: That's insane. Even worse, the new report finds that one

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: third of Americans will develop some form of chronic illness

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: disease in their lifetime. And in fact, while everyone has

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: been obsessed with COVID, a lot of people have been

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01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: dying for all sorts of reasons, almost all of them

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: related to bad health. In fact, J. Scott Davidson, he's

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01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: the CEO of One America, an insurance company, finds that

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Speaker 1: they have the highest death rates that they have ever

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Speaker 1: seen in the history of the life insurance business up

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Speaker 1: forty percent, with a massive number of these deaths not

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Speaker 1: even COVID related. So, just to give you an idea

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Speaker 1: of how bad this is, per the insurance companies own models,

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: they believe a one in two hundred year catastrophe would

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: be associated only with a ten percent increase in deaths.

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: So this is four times worse than a one in

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: two hundred year event. This is once again no real explanation,

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: no way COVID can just explain that the response to

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: COVID can though, our lockdowns and our misery induced environment

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: has created a country in the last two years where

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01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: some of the biggest threats to your life, chronic illness

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: and bad underlying health has exploded. Mental health, obviously, is

1385
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: one that barely needs an introduction. US overdose debts are

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: up twenty eight percent in a single year, topping one

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: hundred k for the first time. Vast quantities of Americans

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01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: are dying from illness from drug overdose, bad health conditions,

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01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: and the conditions of their daily lives are getting worse.

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01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: In fact, while I was researching this, I found that

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01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: food is when food is more expensive that people eat

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: a lot more unhealthy stuff. That's why some of the

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01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 1: poorest people in the country are actually some of the fattest.

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: Many coronavirus restrictions are still in place, discouraging in person

1395
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: gathering that also feeds the mental health crises. It's even

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01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: worse for kids. A recent study given by our idiots

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01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: over at the CDC even they found that between two

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01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: and nineteen, the percentage of obese children and teens has

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01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: increased to a whopping twenty two percent. That means nearly

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: one in four children in this country are not just fat,

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: but clinically obese. The study specifically school clobes as with

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01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: lack of nutrition and exercise, cites that as the major

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: cause of a three percent increase in a single year.

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01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: Who wants to bet that number went up even more

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01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: even though we don't have the data just yet, And

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: as I have covered in previous monologues, the neurodevelopmental effects

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01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: on children for two years of the pandemic restriction, they're

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01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: already well known. You add all this up and it's

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: a catastrophe, not only because we know that COVID actually

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01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: attacks fat that sells themselves, making you way more vulnerable

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01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: to the disease if you are overweight or obese. But

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01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: because being overweight or obese exacerbates your chances of getting

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01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: sick from almost everything, almost all of this is ignored

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 1: by the media and even more importantly, by the CDC

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01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: and health authorities in their real recommendations. Look, vaccination was

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: a tremendous scientific achievement. It dramatically reduced the rates of

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: hospitalization and death. It saved perhaps hundreds of thousands of

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01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: elderly people from an almost certain death. We cannot take

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: that away nor diminish it. But from this point, for

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: emphasis alone on vaccination after eighty five percent of the

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: US adult population has already gotten a dose is foolhardy,

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01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: and in fact it is downright dangerous. People are dropping

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01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: dead daily from bad food, from bad lifestyle. None of

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01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: this is even being addressed by the government. My impetus

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01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: for writing this was not only the release of the

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01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: diabetes death study, but of Biden's apparent plan to renew

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: his cancer moonshot a cure for cancer sometime in the

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: next couple of decades. Now, Look, I of course want

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01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: to find a cure for cancer as soon as possible.

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: I think it's time we wake up, though, to a

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: killer that's taking away so many people right now. In

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: addition to that, and it's actually going up. We need

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: to change government policy around food and lifestyle incentives to

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: get people moving again. Exercise is a literal miracle drug

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: that we have forgotten in favor of SSRIs and insulin medication.

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 1: When Mother Nature gave you all the tools that you

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01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: need right now, much of this can be accomplished on

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01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: an individual basis, but that is still expecting too much

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: for people who are in very dire straits. When I

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01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: see the numbers of people dying from diabetes and from obesity,

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01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: I see people who don't have to suffer and do

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01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: so because of a system of incentives, a lack of knowledge,

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01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: and the government, and that's where they come in. They

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01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: are focused right now on boosting the entire US population

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: in curing cancer. We need to update our priorities now

1446
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,799
Speaker 1: and move with the times because we have a crisis

1447
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: right before our eyes. Now. We better do it now

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01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: because soon enough we're going to be too fat to

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: actually do anything about it. We won't even remember what

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01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: the before times look like. And that's a really scary thought.

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean, those diabetes numbers one hundred thousand twenty seven percent,

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: and if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

1453
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. We

1454
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: know that the audience really likes right left panels, and

1455
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: we decided to have a discussion here on Breaking Points

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01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: about college for all. So we brought in the executive

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01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: director of American Compass or in Cass and Freddie Debor

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: is the author of the Cult of Smart and he's

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Speaker 1: got the Freddie Debor substance, So we encourage everybody to

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Speaker 1: go and check those out. Gentlemen, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We really appreciate it. Nice to see

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Speaker 1: you guys. Thanks for having me absolutely oren. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the impetus for this segment is you guys put out

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01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: a statement over at American Compass about college. We're all

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01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: kind of break that down both about what you put

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01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: out and give us, you know, kind of the case

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: against why that's a good idea. Yeah, sure, thanks for

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01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: mentioning that. You know, we've kind of been doing two

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Speaker 1: things I think that have come together on the topic.

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Speaker 1: One is a lot of work on just asking what

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Speaker 1: is the purpose of public education. It feels to us

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Speaker 1: like in recent decades, we've come up with this mindset

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Speaker 1: that the whole point of public education is to get

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Speaker 1: everybody into college and you know, then into some job

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: that requires a college degree in ways that I think

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01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: just harmed most students, most families, most communities, and so

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, reminding people we really have to

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Speaker 1: actually ask that question, what is this for? At the

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Speaker 1: data on how our current system is working. You know,

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01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 1: the reality is that a very small fraction of students

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01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: are actually successfully going high school to college career. Most

1482
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: fall out somewhere along that pipeline, and outcomes for them

1483
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: are just not very good. So I think the time

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01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: is really right, and I think most people are really

1485
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: recognizing the time is right to rethink what is this

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01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: all for? What are we trying to do here? Freddy

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01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: just react to that and lay out your viewpoint a bit,

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01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 1: because I think part of the obsession, the neoliberal obsession

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: with education, college education in particular, it kind of glosses

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01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: over a whole host of other societal ills and it

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 1: puts it back in the personal response, Well, if you

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01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: just try hard enough, if you just get that college degree,

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: if you just take on those tens of thousands of

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: dollars of debt that are going to be with you

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: for a lifetime. Then everything will be good in society.

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Speaker 1: So what is your view here? Well, yeah, I'm also

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: opposed to college for all for a variety of reasons.

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01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: The simplest is simply economic. They're in two thousand and seven,

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: the National Bureau of Economic Research put out a paper

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01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of under discussed. It's by

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01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Claudia Golden and Lawrence Cats and it looked at from

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01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety to two thousand and five, so a really nice, big,

1503
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: robust data set of what influences the college wage premium

1504
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: over time, so the amount that a college graduate makes

1505
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: relative to someone without a college degree. They find that

1506
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: it's a product of supply and demand. In other words,

1507
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: it's a question of a ratio between the number of

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01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: jobs that require a college degree and the number of

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01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: people who are actually getting college degrees. And to quote

1510
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: a specific sentence, overall, simple supply and demand specifications do

1511
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: a remarkable job explaining the long run evolution of the

1512
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: college wage premium. I mean that just makes sense, right.

1513
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you sell labor in a market, and within

1514
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: that market, you're always going to be constrained by supplying

1515
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: demand issues. So if we push more and more and

1516
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: more people into the pipeline, inevitably you're going to find

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01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: that there are gluts of people who have the degree,

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01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: and the premium that we're trying to get these people

1519
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: is going to be eroded further down. I don't think

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01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: that it's only that the educational benefits are only a

1521
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: matter of scarcity, but I do think that everybody is

1522
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: always going to be running against this fire hose of

1523
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: people we're trying to shove into the system over time

1524
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: as that goes on. And as Orn said, of course,

1525
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: the other side of this is that not everybody has

1526
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: the same skills or abilities, and it's perverse to try

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01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: to reward our system as if they do. So. One

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01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: of the consequences of this intense push from the policy level,

1529
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: so in my book I point out that every president

1530
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: since at least Ronald Reagan has named college as being

1531
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: a Q or the key to our economic solving our

1532
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: economic problems. One of the consequences is that we have

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: had a remarkable reduction in high school graduation rates over time,

1534
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: to the point where, for example, in twenty five years,

1535
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: for example, among Hispanic students. The high school dropout rate

1536
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: has been cut to a quarter of what it once was.

1537
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that probably sounds like good news, but the

1538
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: problem is that there's no underlying educational data to justify.

1539
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 1: In other words, if you're having all these people graduating

1540
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: from high school who didn't before, you would expect that

1541
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: that would come at the because of some sort of

1542
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: underlying growth and educational outcomes. But the SAT data doesn't

1543
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: show it. The NAPE data doesn't show it, none of

1544
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: the standardized tests data show it. So in other words,

1545
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: we're forcing people through the pipeline. All the policy pressure

1546
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: resulted in people getting graduated out who were not ready.

1547
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: What then happens, Well, we've one of the sort of

1548
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: quiet stories in higher education right now is that remediation

1549
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: costs in community colleges have exploded because all these students

1550
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 1: who are graduating high school who should not have are

1551
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: showing up at community colleges without the skills they need.

1552
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: So it puts tremendous pressure on all elements of the system.

1553
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 1: You try to force people into a pipeline that was

1554
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: never designed to be for everybody. That's a really well

1555
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: said you know, or from a new right perspective, from

1556
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: your organization perspective, how are you guys thinking about this

1557
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: on a policy level? What should people do about this?

1558
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: So to speak? Yeah, I think that's exactly the right question.

1559
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: And what it comes down to is we have to

1560
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 1: move our resources. I mean, we spend literally hundreds of

1561
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: billions of dollars a year in public funding on this

1562
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: college pipeline, and yet if you look kind of across

1563
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: the street and ask what are we doing for someone

1564
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: who's not college bound or not going to succeed in college,

1565
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: the answer is essentially nothing. And so we need to

1566
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: change that in two respects. One part is we need

1567
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: to really invest in building alternative pathways. We need to say, yeah, look,

1568
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: some kids want to go to college, are going to

1569
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: succeed in college. We should certainly have high school courses

1570
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: that help prepare them for that. But we have at

1571
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: least as much obligation to have high school courses and

1572
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: ultimately the entire pathways that prepare people for a different

1573
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: route for getting them into the workforce sooner, connecting them

1574
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: with employers, getting them job skills, so that we say, look,

1575
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: if you want to head and head toward that bachelor's degrade,

1576
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: age twenty two. Okay, but also here's an option that

1577
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: gets you to age twenty with you know, three years

1578
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: of job experience or relevant credential and by the way,

1579
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: earnings in the bank instead of instead of what you

1580
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: might have spent. And we can do that, right, and

1581
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: most countries do. I think one thing that's so fascinating

1582
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: is to understand what an outlier America is. If you

1583
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 1: look at the OEC data, you know, most developed countries

1584
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: have kind of thirty five to fifty five percent of

1585
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: their of their high school students on these kinds of

1586
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 1: other pathways. And then OECD actually they have a footnote

1587
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: they say, sorry, we had to leave the US out

1588
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: of our data set because the US just has absolutely

1589
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: nothing comparable that we could even count. So so building

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01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: that is one half of it. But just to make

1591
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: one more quick point, taking some of that resourcing away

1592
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: from a higher education also has to be part of it,

1593
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: because the reality is we've sort of set up what

1594
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: I call this amusement park entitlement that says, from age

1595
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty two, you know, you get to go

1596
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: to college and hang out on the quad and tailgate

1597
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: and whatever, and maybe there are these enrichment courses on

1598
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: the side. Try telling a seventeen year old, regardless of

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01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: what's in their best academic or economic interest, no, you

1600
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: don't get to do that. We really need to make

1601
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: what being in college looks like a lot more like

1602
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: what not being in college looks like, and just give

1603
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: all young people a more realistic and sort of equitable

1604
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: experience that's going to help focus them on actually preparing

1605
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: to preparing for adulthood. What do you think of that, Freddie,

1606
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: Because I mean from a policy perspective, I actually don't

1607
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: know what your position is. I personally think we should

1608
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: have free public college. I think we should have free

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01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: I think we sho would have widely available apprenticeships. I

1610
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: think we should have free trade school. I think we

1611
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: should have free community college so that people obviously coming

1612
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,799
Speaker 1: out of high school are able to obtain the skills

1613
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: in whatever direction actually suits their personality and their skill

1614
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: set to be able to exist in function in the

1615
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: working world. What is your view of that and what

1616
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: is your response to what Orren had to say. I mean,

1617
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think the kernel of my book, if

1618
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,560
Speaker 1: you wanted to break it down to the one individual

1619
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: sort of thought that was most playing on my mind

1620
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: when I devised my book and when I decided to

1621
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: read it was the sense that there's many more ways

1622
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: to be a loser in twenty first century America than

1623
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: there are to be a winner. That we have a

1624
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: profoundly narrow sort of sense of what it means to

1625
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 1: be someone who is living a life that is enviable

1626
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: or that is the sort of respectable. I often when

1627
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I talk about these things in the promo from my book,

1628
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: for example, there's a lot of people who sort of

1629
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: look back to NAFTA, and they look back to globalization

1630
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: and say, well, this is the problem that we undercut

1631
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: the manufacturing center, we undercut the unions, et cetera. I

1632
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: think that's a complicated conversation. It is not true that

1633
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: we don't make things in the United States anymore. In fact,

1634
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: we make more stuff in the United States than we

1635
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: ever had before. But because of automation, because of technological growth,

1636
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: we just need to employ far fewer people. But anyway,

1637
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. We're not going back to a

1638
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: pre NAFTA, pre W two whatever world. That's just not realistic.

1639
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: And if we did our economy we could track to

1640
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: the point where it would be self defeating. But I

1641
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: do think that there does have to be a real

1642
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 1: effort to make people understand that, you know, the trades

1643
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 1: are a big, capacious thing. I mean, I'm always hesitant

1644
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 1: to just say we need to push people into the trades,

1645
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,480
Speaker 1: because what the trades mean in terms of the lifestyle

1646
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: lived by someone within that is so big and so

1647
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: varied that it's not actually like, oh, the trades will

1648
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: save us, Right, So the trades can mean being a

1649
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: unionized mason in Manhattan and making one hundred and fifty

1650
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, or the trades can be being

1651
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: an ununionized mason in Phoenix, Arizona making forty k year. Right,

1652
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: So we don't want to be too bold about saying

1653
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: all the trades will solve everything. But the reality is

1654
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: that there has to be like multiple streams through which

1655
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: we can get people to that life that is considered

1656
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: not to be a loser. Right. We have to have

1657
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 1: outs that are not academic outs in order to sort

1658
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: of push people along the pipeline. Other countries do this

1659
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: pretty well, right, So Germany famously has a multi tiered

1660
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: educational system where depending somewhere around thirteen, you get up,

1661
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: put onto a track or another for an academic track,

1662
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: or to go into the trades. Now tracking is profoundly

1663
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: controversial in the United States, in part because there are

1664
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: racial dimensions that are less salient in Germany. But it's

1665
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: also Germany has powerful trade unions who can ensure that

1666
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: people who go into these trades. If you go and

1667
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: you work at BMW, you're going to have better material

1668
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: conditions than you will in the United States at this

1669
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: at this stage in many in many professions. But there's

1670
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: also not this sort of baked in like trade school

1671
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: is for the losers, and we have to change that culture.

1672
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: And unfortunately that has to start at the bottom, and

1673
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get people out of the sort

1674
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: of college for everyone mindset. I mean, I spent years

1675
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: and years in working in K through twelve schools and

1676
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: in various capacities, and I was amazed that, you know,

1677
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: third grade teachers would be telling their kids, you know,

1678
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: you've got to go to college someday, so you're create.

1679
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: You have this entire pathway through the education system in

1680
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: which the relentless message is if you don't end up

1681
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: in college right then you have failed in some profound way.

1682
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: So there has to be structural changes. There has to

1683
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: be better funding for trade schools, there has to be

1684
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: a willingness to consider the possibility that not everyone needs

1685
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: to take algebra two, et cetera. But also there has

1686
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: to be a cultural dimension where, you know, we recognize

1687
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: the the equivalent dignity of all different kinds of work.

1688
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: And there are opportunities, I think in the trades out there.

1689
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: But even that, you know, again, the growing the fastest

1690
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: growing sector in the American economy is not the trades

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01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: broadly defined. It's also not stem which a lot of

1692
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: people think. It's the service economy, service sector economy, and

1693
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: that is again a set of jobs that many people

1694
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: consider low class or low status. And so to get

1695
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: people to take other options seriously, we have to be

1696
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: able to sort of confront the way in which we

1697
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: mark certain professions as being inherently lacking in dignity. Yeah,

1698
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I think that's well said. I mean, orn, let me

1699
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: just push you a bit, because I've been you know,

1700
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody is always recognized, oh, we need

1701
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: job retraining, and any to hear that, it's almost become

1702
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: like a meme online about oh well, just retrain and

1703
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: then the retraining never actually happens. What does that look

1704
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: like in practice? You know, these actual retraining apprenticeship style

1705
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: programs investments? Is government directed state? I mean, what would

1706
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I actually be looking at physically if this were to

1707
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: actually materialize as a real thing you I think, you know,

1708
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: one thing to say is that retraining is very hard

1709
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: because you're talking about folks much later in life in

1710
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: a careers, as opposed to helping people when they are

1711
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 1: still in their earlier educational years and kind of getting

1712
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: off on the right track. I think what people have

1713
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 1: found in generally even with retraining, and this certainly goes

1714
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: for the kinds of performance we're talking about here. It

1715
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 1: all comes down to connection with the employer. If you

1716
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,959
Speaker 1: can get somebody connected to an actual job that exists

1717
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: in the real world, with an employer who wants an employee,

1718
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: and have that employer be in the driver's seat in

1719
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: training the employee to do the job, that's when it

1720
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,560
Speaker 1: tends to work. When it doesn't work is when you

1721
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 1: have a government program that says, you know, we're going

1722
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: to turn this kind of worker into that kind of worker.

1723
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: Let's get everybody into a community college, teach them how

1724
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: to do this thing and then trust that the jobs

1725
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: will be there. So really putting the employer at the

1726
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 1: center of the process, I think is key. I want

1727
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: to take issue with just one thing that Freddy said,

1728
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: and in the context of kind of being very concrete

1729
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: about what this could look like, tracking isn't actually controversial

1730
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 1: in America. This is something I find fascinating. Tracking is

1731
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: controversial with a certain sort of narrow segment of the

1732
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:29,480
Speaker 1: progressive elite that sees it as sort of constraining of opportunity.

1733
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: But this is one of the key things we asked

1734
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: about in our Failing on Purpose survey at American Compass.

1735
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: We gave what I think is a very clear, fairly

1736
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: worded description and it's all on the site exactly how

1737
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: we asked it. You know, which of these things do

1738
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: you prefer, a sort of essentially single track program that

1739
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,919
Speaker 1: tries to get everybody in the same academically intensive courses

1740
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: versus tracking acknowledging that people are going to be on

1741
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: different pathways, headed door different endpoints, and that we need

1742
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: to do that. In high school and tracking was more

1743
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 1: popular literally by ten to one, you know, in the

1744
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: middle class, it was it was ninety five percent to

1745
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: five percent that people prefer tracking. We even for fun,

1746
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: we asked half the sample using the word tracking, and

1747
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: half the sample we use the phrase diverse pathways, which

1748
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: is somehow supposed to be more fashionable. People couldn't care less.

1749
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: It is common sense and it's because it's people's lived

1750
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: experience at this point that there is no alternative to tracking,

1751
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 1: unless you're going to get everybody an individual tutor. No

1752
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: matter what, we are going to have tracks. The problem

1753
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 1: with our current system is we only have one track.

1754
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: It is a track designed for the upper upper middle class.

1755
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: It is working for a very small segment of the population,

1756
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: and everybody else is left behind. So there's no question

1757
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: we need to get political leaders more comfortable understanding that

1758
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,799
Speaker 1: they can say this because it's not only true, it's popular.

1759
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: There's no question we have to confront you know, the

1760
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: like the folks at the Atlantic who write endless articles

1761
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 1: calling track, you know, the new segregation, when it's of

1762
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: course exactly lower income and often non white families and

1763
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,560
Speaker 1: kids who are most left behind by this system and

1764
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: have the most to gain by getting more options. And

1765
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: so what that looks like in practice is you say, look,

1766
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: you know we have all this money we spend sending

1767
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: kids off to leafy college campuses. That's an institution that

1768
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: makes sense for some people as they transition to adulthood.

1769
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: For most people, the institution that's best equipped to help

1770
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: people transition to a productive career is an employer. And

1771
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: so we should be willing to say, look, a essentially

1772
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: call somebody a trainee, which is a definition just like

1773
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: a college student. It's somebody who's spending time on the job.

1774
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: It's spending time in formal training. And an employer who

1775
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 1: takes on a trainee should get the same ten thousand

1776
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: dollars a year that we give to a college campus

1777
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: to take on a student. And if you did that, now,

1778
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: the first thing a lot of employers would do is

1779
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: they would turn around and ask community colleges to set

1780
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: up the right formal training programs. But then the community

1781
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: college's customer wouldn't be the eighteen year old who doesn't

1782
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: know what he wants. It would be the employer who

1783
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: knows exactly what he wants. And I think that's again

1784
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 1: much more the sorts of systems that Freddie's describing in

1785
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: other countries that work, well, that's what we have to

1786
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: do here. But it means getting comfortable with the idea

1787
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: of tracking, the idea that people are going to be

1788
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: on different pathways, have different aptitudes, getting comfortable with the

1789
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: idea that employers have to play a role. And then

1790
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: last thing I'd say, because this is the thing I

1791
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: agree with Freddie very strongly on, is a cultural point.

1792
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: Getting comfortable with the idea that being on a non

1793
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: college track and headed off to some career that's not

1794
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 1: in management consulting in New York City isn't losing right, Like,

1795
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: a huge part of the argument against tracking is what

1796
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 1: if there's some kid out there who could have gone

1797
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 1: to an Ivy League school and then become a management

1798
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: consultant who instead ends up being, you know, a very

1799
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: successful general contractor and leader in their own community. Like,

1800
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, our upward mobility and equal

1801
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: opportunity are broken. And that's just not true. And that

1802
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: is part of the mindset that we need to get

1803
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: out of and recognize that the whole point of public

1804
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: education is communities investing in their own young people, preparing

1805
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: them to take on the burdens of caring forward the

1806
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: prosperity of that community and that's what we should be

1807
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 1: asking our schools to do well. And this is a

1808
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: deeper problem with a society that basically only values people

1809
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: according to their market value and what the market says

1810
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: that they're ultimately worth. Freddie, I'd love for you to

1811
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: respond to that point, but I also want to hear

1812
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the student debt cancelation debate, because part

1813
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: of why I support some level of student debt cancelation

1814
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: is because a lot of these kids were sold to

1815
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: Bill of Goods. I mean, you have Freddy's gotten, I

1816
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 1: mean Orn's gotten numbers here that are really interesting about

1817
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: how fewer than one in five students actually go from

1818
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: high school to college to career. Half of those who

1819
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,600
Speaker 1: even go to college never complete a degree. So you

1820
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who were had it forced

1821
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: on them like college is the only worthy avenue. If

1822
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: you don't go to college, you're a failure. This is

1823
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: the only way you can succeed in the world, and

1824
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: it just ultimately wasn't the right path for them, and

1825
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: now they're saddled with all of this debt for their

1826
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: entire lifetimes. Yeah, I mean, I think to begin with it,

1827
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 1: just the reason why I favor some form of college

1828
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, but of some sort of

1829
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: college of debt loan forgiveness is because we have to

1830
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: acknowledge that a huge portion of that loan debt is

1831
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 1: never going to be paid back no matter what, like what,

1832
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: people are going to die with a ton of this debt.

1833
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: If you look at the numbers, there's just a huge

1834
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: number of people who have a debt where there's no

1835
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: realistic way in which they will ever pay it back.

1836
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: And so like the government is going to eat that

1837
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: debt in one way or the other. The question is

1838
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 1: like when and how and how humanly can we make

1839
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: that happen. But I just think that if we're going

1840
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: to attack the college affordability crisis again, like I think

1841
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: people underestimate the degree to which you know, we think

1842
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 1: about colleges. Kids who go to elite schools and they

1843
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 1: spend four years there and it's far from home, and

1844
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: they are, you know, getting a liberal arts education, et cetera.

1845
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: Most college students go to colleges that except essentially every

1846
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,879
Speaker 1: student that applies. Okay, so it's quite rare for colleges

1847
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: to reject more students than they accept. They are going

1848
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: to school. The primary number one reason, far and away

1849
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: is for the school they chooses location. Okay, so something

1850
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: like i'vn't looked at the number in a little while.

1851
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: With something like eighty percent of college students go to

1852
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: school within thirty miles of where they grow up, So

1853
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 1: they're not shopping, they're just going to the local school

1854
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: that they can get into, and they spend a lot

1855
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: of their first couple of years remediating the stuff they

1856
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 1: should have learned in high school. And that's a big

1857
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: part of the reason why many of them take five

1858
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: or six or plus years to graduate. And so the

1859
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: what the upper middle class kids have right is college

1860
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: is like this broader thing which it's an opportunity to

1861
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: spend a few years figuring out who they are and

1862
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: what they want to do right. And they're able to

1863
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 1: do it because they're subsidized by their parents. They're able

1864
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: to figure out who am I, what am I actually

1865
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: good at? Where do I want to apply myself. They

1866
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: are often or almost always, those kind of kids still

1867
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: on their parents' health insurance from that period. If you

1868
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: look at low income students, they're paying everything out of

1869
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: their pocket or they're taking on loan debt that loan

1870
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: aid will run out eventually, and what happens for a

1871
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: fair number of students is that they just literally run

1872
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 1: out of federal relief student aid so that they can't

1873
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: continue their education and they have to work at the

1874
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 1: same time, often in the hopes that the work will

1875
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: give them meaningful health insurance. Mean, many colleges, you can

1876
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: get some sort of health coverage, but it's not actually

1877
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 1: health coverage in any meaningful sense. Well, you know, I

1878
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: want people of all income bands to have that period

1879
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,919
Speaker 1: to find where they need to go in the economy

1880
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 1: where they can be productive and contribute for the best

1881
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: of everyone. Right, But in order to do that, you

1882
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: have to sort of give them the affordances of being

1883
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: able to figure things out. Right. The employer sponsored healthcare

1884
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: system that we have is a big part of the

1885
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: problem here because they are not They don't feel that

1886
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: they have the latitude to move jobs or to figure

1887
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: themselves out because they're not going to have health insurance

1888
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: if they're not working for an employer who offers it.

1889
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: But then, finally, and I think this is super important,

1890
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 1: is you just have to get off the credentialing treadmill. Okay,

1891
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: like so many people feel pressed to go to college

1892
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 1: because they feel like it's a requirement to get a

1893
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: good job now, and in many many places it is right.

1894
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: But if you look at a graph of the amount

1895
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,560
Speaker 1: of master's degrees that are held in this country, it

1896
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: is astonishing. The growth in the number of people with

1897
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: master's degrees is absolutely astonishing. The universities love them because

1898
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: they're big cash cows, and that these are people who

1899
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: are working in jobs where there's no intrinsic reason for

1900
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: them to need that degree. But what they do need

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Speaker 1: is a way to distinguish themselves against the rising words

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Speaker 1: of people with ba's that if the more that we

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Speaker 1: we just keep shoving more people into the college pipeline,

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Speaker 1: the college diploma will become like the high school diploma, right,

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Speaker 1: in which case it's just a thing that you have

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Speaker 1: to have, and it no longer confers a meaningful wage advantage.

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Speaker 1: And so at some point employers have to ask and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: does this sort of entry level white collar job working

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Speaker 1: for Nationwide Insurance, or for to be a bank teller

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Speaker 1: at Wells Fargo, whatever, all these jobs that are sort

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Speaker 1: of these low level white collar jobs or pink collar jobs,

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Speaker 1: do they really need the college degree, because usually when

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Speaker 1: they look looking for the college degree, they're just using

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Speaker 1: it as a signaling mechanism to say, Okay, this person

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Speaker 1: could get out of bed and go to class and

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Speaker 1: do their homework and they have those kind of soft

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Speaker 1: skills and that's what's really valuable to us. But that

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01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: is a hideously inefficient system if you're actually thinking that

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Speaker 1: what you're in college to do is to get that education.

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Speaker 1: So until they're is a willingness by employers to say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we don't need all the you know,

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Speaker 1: everyone who works for us to have a BA. You're

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01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: going to have all this pressure on the system. If

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Speaker 1: we can sort of bring down say okay, you know what,

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Speaker 1: not all jobs need to be a some colleges will

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Speaker 1: end up closing. I mean, I think that's inevitable in

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Speaker 1: the next fifty years anyway. But there's got to be

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Speaker 1: a sense that not everybody has to have that particular

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Speaker 1: piece of paper. Yeah. I think this has been very,

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Speaker 1: very very good for the audience. I personally learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have links in the description to books, the polls,

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Speaker 1: the substacks, all of that where they can find you. Guys,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. Thank you, Thanks guys, Thanks great,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to see you jens Man. That was awesome, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: We should do that more often. Yeah, it's difficult, logistically difficult,

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Speaker 1: but man, it is awesome. Always learn a lot. Thank

1937
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Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

1938
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been mentioning this this week. It's just

1939
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: such a reminder, Crystal. You know, literally while we were

1940
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Speaker 1: doing this show, multiple other artists are coming out on Spotify.

1941
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Speaker 1: The New York Times, Rock Sande Gay now is boycotting Spotify.

1942
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Speaker 1: All of these people huge boycotts that are being led,

1943
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Speaker 1: and look, it's only a matter of time in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: until some thing gives way somewhere. We'll see already other

1945
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,719
Speaker 1: artists are apparently recruiting Taylor Swift. It's just a reminder

1946
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 1: they could come at us anytime. The only way we

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Speaker 1: survive with full knowledge and we don't sensit ourselves is

1948
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Speaker 1: you guys through our premium subscription. So thank you so

1949
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: much for all of you who show up for us

1950
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Speaker 1: every day, who support us in the way that you do,

1951
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,759
Speaker 1: because you know, watching these things cascade through popular culture.

1952
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Speaker 1: It is a warning. It's a warning shot across about

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Speaker 1: at folks like us. We will continue to say whatever

1954
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Speaker 1: the hell we want, don't worry about that. But the

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Speaker 1: only way we're able to is because of you. So

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Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, thank you guys so much. We love you.

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Speaker 1: We got some great content for you posting this weekend,

1958
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Speaker 1: so make sure you stay tuned and check that out

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Speaker 1: when it drops, and we'll see you guys back here

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Speaker 1: on Monday.