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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk about actor Eric Dane, who died this

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Speaker 1: week and some of the controversy and drama surrounding his death.

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Speaker 1: We have an update on Brandy Glanville and the quote

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Speaker 1: parasites living in her face. And then we have a

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Speaker 1: couple of true crime stories involving truly horrible parents. All

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Speaker 1: that moral today's episode. Eric Dane.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Eric Dane aka Mxed Steamy from Gray's

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Speaker 2: Anatomy has died at fifty three, less than a year

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Speaker 2: after revealing that he was diagnosed with ALS.

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Speaker 1: So amotrophic lateral sclerosis is ALS.

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Speaker 3: And Gerig's dis You get regular people.

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Speaker 1: Who calls it that anymore, honestly, no, But it's when

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Speaker 1: the motor neurons that are coming from your brain and

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Speaker 1: spinal cord are damaged and they are not they're degenerating

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Speaker 1: and they're not interacting with your muscles properly. And when

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Speaker 1: you start first presenting with symptoms, it's just like a

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Speaker 1: low grade muscle weakness, but it progressively gets worse, usually

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Speaker 1: in a pretty quick period of time, and you soon

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Speaker 1: lose the ability to move all of your voluntary muscles,

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Speaker 1: so you're not able to walk, you're in a wheelchair,

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Speaker 1: and that's fine, that's all good. But once you start

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Speaker 1: not being able to use the muscles that help you breathe,

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Speaker 1: that's when it starts to become a problem in life

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Speaker 1: threatening and your diaphragm that you use to lift up

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Speaker 1: from your airway you can no longer do it, and

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Speaker 1: then usually that's what ends up being the cause of

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Speaker 1: death in these people you could have because you can't

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Speaker 1: you know, when you get that like like you have

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Speaker 1: to clear your throat or something, that stuff just sits

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Speaker 1: in your lungs and then you're at an increased risk

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Speaker 1: to get an infection and that could usually be what

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Speaker 1: kills you in the end with als, or you simply

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Speaker 1: just can't lift your lungs anymore and breathe, So it's

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Speaker 1: a death sentence. Honestly, it's a devastating diagnosis. We had

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Speaker 1: a close friend of the family who had it and

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Speaker 1: watch this perfectly active, healthy young person go from that

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Speaker 1: to what happened to him over the course of those years.

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Speaker 1: It usually occurs sporadically, meaning that there's no underlying genetic component.

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Speaker 1: But in some cases, I think it's ten percent of

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Speaker 1: cases there's a genetic component and it runs in family.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what happened with Eric Dane. When

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Speaker 2: He revealed ten months ago that he was diagnosed with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's just.

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Speaker 2: When he found out or if that's when he went

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Speaker 2: public with it. He was fifty three though, so that's young,

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Speaker 2: really young to die. But like this is the average

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Speaker 2: age people are getting it or diagnosed with.

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Speaker 1: It, right, Oh, yes, Steve, Steve was in his thirty

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Speaker 1: his thirties probably when it happened. I think he was

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Speaker 1: and when when we you know, it first started with it. See,

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Speaker 1: he kind of already had it on his mind because

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Speaker 1: same exact symptoms. It was just like he was totally fine,

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Speaker 1: So when you get with the exception of like Stephen

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy Steve was so young because like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be crazy that spectrum.

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Speaker 1: But I believe the genetic one might may present earlier

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine. It's like literally watching and

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Speaker 1: It's terrible, and it's it's fast, and it's like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So I guess when this all went down, he was

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Speaker 2: My understanding is that they've been separated for a couple

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Speaker 2: That their first public appearance was over the summer, but

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Speaker 2: I guess hours after he died, Netflix dropped his final interview.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to understand, like he clearly in the

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Speaker 1: Guy was on death's door, like he was probably not

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Speaker 1: like not, it's not like you're doing anything else you write.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I didn't watch it, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it could have been recorded prior.

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Speaker 1: They could have just been newly dating or something at

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Speaker 2: I mean it reminds me of when Pamela Anderson's book

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Speaker 2: But well, it's.

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Speaker 1: Because number one, you could say it if it's true,

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Speaker 2: Is it possible that I'm asking you this, do you

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Speaker 2: think it's possible to have a quote unquote love of

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Speaker 2: They had this extremely traumatic thing happening to them, and

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Speaker 2: is it possible he could be the love of her

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just asking. I'm just asking a question.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, things aren't going so great in the

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Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Brittany marriage anyway. I mean she was said

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Speaker 2: like a relationship with somebody catfishing her outline that's a

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Speaker 2: whole other conversation we could get into on YouTube this

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Speaker 1: But what I do want to actually I'm curious about that.

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Speaker 1: So but as it pertains to this case, So okay,

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Speaker 1: Like remember the story one of the stories we were

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Speaker 1: at that cheerleading competition and these parents had to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, wasn't Kelly Clarkson doing that with Brandon Blackstock?

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Speaker 2: He treated her horribly and she was there for her children.

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Speaker 2: But it's like a friend of the family started it

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Speaker 2: But like, this is getting out of control, and like

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Speaker 2: the doctors tell them when they get it done, but

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Speaker 2: they just don't think they don't They they say, okay, whatever,

436
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Speaker 2: like I'll deal with that in twenty years or ten

437
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Speaker 2: years whatever. I don't think it's you're supposed to get

438
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Speaker 2: them replaced every ten years either. I feel like it's

439
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Speaker 2: more every twenty years, but I could be wrong about that.

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Speaker 3: I think it is ten ten ten.

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Speaker 1: Seems like I feel like we would have to ask

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Speaker 1: doctor Kyleene about that, actually, like that would be a

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Speaker 1: question for her because because I'm not sure exactly what

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Speaker 1: the time period is, but it's just to be known

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Speaker 1: that they need to be replaced multiple times in your life.

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Speaker 1: And let's say sixty years old, you're like, a, I

447
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Speaker 1: don't feel like it. I'm getting older and whatever. Well,

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Speaker 1: what if you live to be like eighty ninety then

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

451
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Speaker 1: You just don't want to have issues from that. So

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Speaker 1: it's just something to think about. I mean, plenty of

453
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Speaker 1: people have them and have absolutely no issues, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's just like with everything else. Plenty of

455
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Speaker 1: people get euds and have no issues, and other people

456
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Speaker 1: have terrible issues. It's just some people. And like I

457
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Speaker 1: personally think if you're a person that has like it's

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459
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460
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461
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462
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497
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Speaker 2: Maybe this should just be the theme of every Wednesday's

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Speaker 2: episode going forward as terrible parents. I mean, there's more

499
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Speaker 2: than enough stories every week to cover this. So now, first,

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Speaker 2: a mom has been arrested after leaving her two toddlers

501
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Speaker 2: with an Uber driver for two hours to go shopping.

502
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Speaker 2: So she gets an Uber and shows up in the

503
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Speaker 2: Uber with these two kids, and the driver said she

504
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Speaker 2: had a liquid that smelled like rum, so she got

505
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Speaker 2: so she was drunk and she got in and was

506
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Speaker 2: continuing to drink with these little kids in the Uber

507
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Speaker 2: and then just was like I'll be back in a minute,

508
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Speaker 2: and was gone for two hours. Yeah, so she gets

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Speaker 2: in the car with the alcohol and then he's going

510
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Speaker 2: when you take an Uber, it takes you on a

511
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Speaker 2: guided route, so she kept telling him to make turns

512
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Speaker 2: off the route, and then she eventually was like, just

513
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Speaker 2: cancel the ride and I'll give you cash, which it

514
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Speaker 2: seems like he did, which I don't think should be allowed,

515
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Speaker 2: especially if you're in the middle of a ride like that,

516
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Speaker 2: but whatever, that's what he did. And so eventually they

517
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Speaker 2: pull up outside of this mall and she gets out

518
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Speaker 2: and says I'll be back in a couple of minutes basically,

519
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Speaker 2: and she just gets out of the car and walks away,

520
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Speaker 2: leaves these two kids in the back seat. So I

521
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Speaker 2: think he was just really in shock of what happened

522
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Speaker 2: and was like, Okay, I guess she's going back, Like

523
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Speaker 2: what am I gonna do with these children? So he

524
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Speaker 2: waits over an hour and then finally calls nine to

525
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Speaker 2: one and tells him what happens. The cops finally get

526
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Speaker 2: to the scene, and she didn't come back for a

527
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Speaker 2: little bit after that, so.

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Speaker 3: It was a twofold hour she was gone from the kids.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not even like just you're leaving them in

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Speaker 1: the car with a man that's a total stranger, Like

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Speaker 1: little children that are vulnerable to anything. You don't know

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Speaker 1: who that person is.

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Speaker 2: And her excuse was that her phone died. Uh, what

534
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Speaker 2: does that have to do with you leaving your children

535
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Speaker 2: in the car. So she just went shopping, But she didn't.

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Speaker 2: It didn't look like in the bodycam footage that she

537
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Speaker 2: had anything with her.

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Speaker 3: She just like went and walked around the her.

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Speaker 1: I was just wondering if she was meeting someone, because like,

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Speaker 1: why was she yelling at him to be like like

541
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Speaker 1: you're going the wrong way, pull over whatever, Like maybe

542
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Speaker 1: she was trying to meet somebody. I don't know what

543
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Speaker 1: she was doing. I mean, clearly she was drunk, and

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Speaker 1: I guess it's responsible that she didn't get in the

545
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Speaker 1: car and drive with the kids drunk. But what like,

546
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Speaker 1: so what happens so she gets arrested, Like is she

547
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Speaker 1: losing custody or her children?

548
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Speaker 2: Because well, the kid's dad wants full custody. So I'm

549
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Speaker 2: sure there's gonna be a whole court case over that.

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Speaker 2: But her bond was only set at fifteen hundred dollars

551
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Speaker 2: for each charge. So she was charged with one count

552
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Speaker 2: of child neglect and two counts of desertion of a child.

553
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Speaker 2: So what's that forty five hundred dollars for each count

554
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Speaker 2: and she's already.

555
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Speaker 3: Out that's nothing. I mean, she certainly should not.

556
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Speaker 2: It didn't say anything if she's like immediately lost supervision

557
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Speaker 2: of her children.

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Speaker 3: But I would think that was fair if she did.

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Speaker 1: You know what, One time I was recently when we

560
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Speaker 1: were in San Francisco, we were taking an Uber and

561
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Speaker 1: we got stuck on I swear to god, it was

562
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Speaker 1: the most inclined hill in existence. There's just no way

563
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Speaker 1: that there could be a deeper inclined. I don't even

564
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Speaker 1: remember the name of the street. It just like you

565
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Speaker 1: didn't even build a house. I don't even understand. It

566
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Speaker 1: was so like you're in the car and we were

567
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Speaker 1: stuck in this traffic gridlock and it's uncomfortable because you're

568
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Speaker 1: on that angle, Like it's literally uncomfortable to sit in

569
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Speaker 1: the car like that, and we were stuck, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Gay being Gabe, he was just like, get out of

571
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Speaker 1: the car right now, we're walking and I was like okay,

572
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Speaker 1: but we just like left the Uber in the middle

573
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Speaker 1: of the ride and just like I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: We were just like we can't deal with this anymore.

575
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Speaker 1: And it was really annoying. But so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like I listen, like I'm surprised there hasn't been some

577
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Speaker 1: kind of like a book or confessions of Uber drivers.

578
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Speaker 1: They probably see the craziest shit, especially picking up drunk people,

579
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Speaker 1: Like god knows what they say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, that would be a really good book.

581
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Speaker 3: I mean they wanted. They get attacked a lot.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they are attackers themselves. A lot goes on. I

583
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Speaker 2: mean people puking in the cars, the weird stuff people

584
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Speaker 2: must do. I'm sure people have sex in the back

585
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Speaker 2: of the cars, Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even think about that because it's your

587
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Speaker 1: own car. Like if someone threw up in my car,

588
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Like a kid, you're like, okay, whatever,

589
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Speaker 1: but like and if an adult threw up in my car,

590
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Speaker 1: I'd be so pissed because that smell is just so

591
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Speaker 1: pungent and like you can't get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: It's and it charges the the passenger. So if I guess,

593
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Speaker 2: if you have an incident where somebody throws up, I

594
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: should ask. You know, Ricky used to drive Uber when

595
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: we first jumping out, Yeah, remember's minivan. Oh yeah, yeah,

596
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: he's the driving that I should ask it. He stopped

597
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: because he was like, I hate this and people are assholes,

598
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Speaker 2: and I keep getting in the middle of situations I

599
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: don't want to be in. But I think if you

600
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Speaker 2: have an incident where somebody throws up, you like can

601
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Speaker 2: file a report and then the passenger will get charged.

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Speaker 3: Two hundred dollars, but.

603
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Speaker 2: That's like, I don't feel like that's enough money to

604
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Speaker 2: clean it up. And then so what if you wanted

605
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: to drive for a couple more hours, that's all the

606
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Speaker 2: money you all the money you were gonna make that

607
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: now you can't make now because you have to go

608
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Speaker 2: get your car cleaned out because somebody puked in the car.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, screw that all right, onto all right, So the

610
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Speaker 1: next horrible parent is a mom who I guess just

611
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Speaker 1: like apparently left her family just because.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this story is so weird. So on December ninth,

613
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Speaker 2: two thousand and two thousand and one, this thirty eight

614
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: year old woman's husband said she left their home in Eden,

615
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Speaker 2: North Carolina to a Christmas shopping at a Virginia kmart,

616
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Speaker 2: but that was only thirty minutes from their house, even

617
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Speaker 2: though it was across state lines.

618
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Speaker 3: So she never came home.

619
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Speaker 2: But she wasn't officially reported missing until two weeks later,

620
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Speaker 2: which I thought was kind.

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Speaker 3: Of weird, don't you.

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Speaker 1: It's very weird, but yeah, but it was when was

623
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Speaker 1: it two thousand and one? That was yeah, yeah, I

624
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Speaker 1: was gonna be like, that's the eighties. It's not even

625
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Speaker 1: the eighties.

626
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Speaker 2: Like she looked like the eighties from her pictures.

627
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Speaker 1: Right, That's exactly why I thought that so clearly, like

628
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Speaker 1: she might have done something like this before. That's what

629
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Speaker 1: I would think if they didn't report it for a

630
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I thought that tidbit was important and very odd.

632
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Speaker 2: But basically this entire time, they've never lost faith. They've

633
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Speaker 2: been looking for her since two thousand and one. And

634
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: then police said they got a tip just last week

635
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: and then the next day they were able to make

636
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: contact with her to determine she was alive, and well,

637
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: she's living at a location she asked them to not

638
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: disclose to her family, and it's just very bizarre.

639
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Speaker 1: So right, And I guess, like because I was thinking

640
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Speaker 1: about this with like if if right now, I just

641
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I'm going to Kmart and didn't come home,

642
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Speaker 1: Like I'm allowed to just go start another life and

643
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: leave my kids because they're with Gabe, Like how does

644
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Speaker 1: that work? Because I mean, like I was thinking that

645
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: out loud, and then I'm like, well, men do that

646
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: all the time. They leave their family all the time,

647
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Speaker 1: and like you never hear you know.

648
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like left to get cigarettes and never kid.

649
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: Exactly, so like like that because we're the children were

650
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: were they minors when it happened? Like it's just it's

651
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: just like an interesting question.

652
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean she had three.

653
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: Kids, and the the kids are saying the dad's been

654
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: great this whole time, even though he's been accused of

655
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: horrible things over the past two decades.

656
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Of course he was why.

657
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, of course.

658
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: And then like I guess my question is like, and

659
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: I take it back to that Kayaker dad guy, right,

660
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: what was his name, Bargwart or.

661
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: Something, remember one the one that faked his own death.

662
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Yes, So like my first question is like, can she

663
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: get charged with wasting police resources because she was a

664
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: missing person? But then I think with in that guy's case,

665
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: on a technicality, she did not stage a kidnapping or

666
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: a murder anything. She just disappeared, as did that guy.

667
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: But I thought he did get charged with something.

668
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: He did. He got charged because but he did stage.

669
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: He staged his death, and like first responders had to

670
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: go in the water and like drain the lake or

671
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: they to like not dream what's the word I'm looking for,

672
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Like they.

673
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: Get they were they were trying to recover him.

674
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: They were trying to recover him, and they they put

675
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, they put like nets in there and try

676
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: to like pull pull things up and.

677
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so his case is even more a little

678
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: advanced in her because he did stage a scene. Like

679
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: in her case, it seems like she just went away.

680
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: So like, I don't think she could get in trouble

681
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: for anything technically because the kids were in the custody.

682
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: Of their other parents.

683
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: For all we know, she could be saying like I

684
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: told him I was leaving and he just didn't hear me. Whatever,

685
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, whatever she's gonna say. But yeah, I think

686
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: it's very bizarre.

687
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: But even if you tell someone like you're like, I'm

688
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: just allowed to leave and just be like, oh, not

689
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: my problem. Yeah, I get legally, it just sounds it

690
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: sounds wrong as long as someone else is in the

691
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: room taking care of them. Like, I don't know, it

692
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: just it seems like something you shouldn't be allowed to do. So,

693
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: but I guess you are because she's allowed to remain anonymous.

694
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: Now, how does she has to know she was declared

695
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: a missing person?

696
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: Right, Like, there's no way in which she just left

697
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: and started living another life and then I don't know

698
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: add this to the list of things that you can't

699
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: do in twenty twenty six, like social media now is

700
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: just like that would have not wouldn't have been able

701
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: to happen now, So her motive for doing it has

702
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: not yet been released. I mean a possibility cross my mind,

703
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: like maybe she was in an extremely abusive marriage or

704
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: something and she saw this as her only way out.

705
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: But then at the same time, if that is true

706
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: you left your kids behind, then that's abused.

707
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

708
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: I think it's weird. And then the daughter wrote quote,

709
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: as far as my opinions and feelings on my mom,

710
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm ecstatic, I'm angry, I'm heartbroken, I'm all over the map.

711
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Well I have a relationship once more with my mom. Honestly,

712
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: I can't answer that because I don't even know.

713
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: And that's really sad.

714
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: It's really horrible to make your children and your husband

715
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: think you've been missed, saying for twenty five years only

716
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: to just be living like a totally separate life somewhere else.

717
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: The saddest part is that she is not like fuck her,

718
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: like she like she really should have that attitude. You

719
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: put my father through this, you put us through this.

720
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: You're dead to me, Like she shouldn't even be happy

721
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: that she's found alive, honestly under these conditions. I just like, yeah, but.

722
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: Do you think it's some form of vin denial? Like

723
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: she's been looking for answers her entire life and then

724
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: you're just like I just I just can't believe.

725
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: This is what's happening.

726
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that she chose to leave us and

727
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: wasn't just actually a missing person for twenty five years.

728
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't know.

729
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: It's really terrible. Right before Christmas, you're gonna do this?

730
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's That's what I'm saying. Like she's a massive scumbag,

731
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: like why would you? And like she didn't look for you.

732
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: She still hasn't been looking for you, and she doesn't

733
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: even want you to know where she's at. Like you

734
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: got to learn how to cut that off.

735
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they certainly cannot try to have a

736
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: relationship with her. She is terrible, all right.

737
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: No one beats this guy though, he's like an extra terrible.

738
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: This is an older story, but it's so disturbing. So

739
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: this father was found living in a storage unit with

740
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 2: his two daughters and the dismembered remains of his wife.

741
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I guess

742
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: he told his So his wife was pregnant, and it

743
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: seems like she His story is is that she died

744
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: giving childbirth.

745
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Well, first he said she tried to kill herself, and

746
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: then he said, no, never mind, she died during she.

747
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Died during childbirths Okay, let's take his story at face value.

748
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: So he says that she died during childbirth, and he

749
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: tried to flush or successfully he did the placenta down

750
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the toilet, and then he was with her dead body.

751
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: He didn't know what to do with the dead body.

752
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: His kids were there, so he took pictures with his

753
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: wife and the kids with the dead body, with the

754
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: dead body of his wife, and didn't want to just

755
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: leave her here in this hotel that they were staying at,

756
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: so just decided to cut up her body and put

757
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: it in a cooler and bring it with him to

758
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: this storage unit. Right, and there's CCTV footage showing him

759
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: with this cooler with the body parts in the cooler.

760
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: So this is what he tells authorities when they figure

761
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: out that he's done this, they looked at the body

762
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: parts and said that they which I don't know why,

763
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: but they said they couldn't determine if the wounds occurred

764
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: before or after she died. I feel like depending on

765
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: how good he caught up her body, they would really

766
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: be able to get a picture of what happened, like

767
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: if her especially if she had just given birth, like

768
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: they could they could do things cause like, if you

769
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: die giving childbirth, there's going to be evidence of that

770
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: in your body, either you bled to death or you

771
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: had an amniotic embolism or something. They would be able

772
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: to test that if if her body, if like part

773
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: of her at least pelvis, was intact there, they'd be

774
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: able to tell what happened to a certain extent.

775
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: So well, this seemed like a really messy scene. So

776
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: like she died, and then they were saying that he

777
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: spent eight hours dismembering her in this I guess they

778
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: were in a motel when she died, and he spent

779
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: eight hours dismembering her in the bathtub, and then he

780
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: was flushing all of the parts of her he could

781
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: down the toilet while also quote skinning her like a fish.

782
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: So like, God knows what these remains look like that

783
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: they retrieved and they weren't even able to determine how

784
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: she died either.

785
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I guess, like if he really,

786
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: like I said, like if he cut her off, because

787
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: typically when people dismember a body, they cut up the arm.

788
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: The torso usually stays pretty intact, and then they cut

789
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: up the arm, you know, the arms and legs in

790
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: the head, and it could fit in a much smaller package, right,

791
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: But I guess according to like what size cooler he

792
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: has and stuff, that's when he could have started hacking

793
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: at the torso. And that's where the problems lie that

794
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: you can't really determine how the person died. So I

795
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: don't know how they can't determine that if she was

796
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: dismembered before or after she died, because that is something

797
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: that they would be able to tell. But regardless they

798
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: said they can't tell. They couldn't tell, and it's just disturbing.

799
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: Like the kids were what in the other room when

800
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: this was happening.

801
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: Well, there was two kids, so one was two years

802
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: old and what was the newborn baby? So I don't

803
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: know where they were when this was happening. I mean,

804
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: even if they were hopefully they're just so young they

805
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: don't remember every anything at all.

806
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: This is horrific.

807
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: So so he's never been charged them, at least with homicide.

808
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: He's in jail, but they have no evidence proving he

809
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: killed her. And like I was thinking of the Brian

810
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: Walsh case, but like there was enough evidence he had

811
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: some involvement, right with his.

812
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: Google searches and everything, Like, they don't know this guy

813
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: killed her. They have no idea.

814
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: He was straight up just like, oh, this is like

815
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: my kid's mom. I'm not just gonna leave her here.

816
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: Well, all right, so it starts getting like, it starts

817
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: getting weird because he defended his actions saying he was

818
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: scared the kids would be removed from their care because

819
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: they allegedly had six children together and that the police

820
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: had quote stolen our children before. And then he handed

821
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: over his phone as evidence to try to prove his innocence,

822
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: and they found explicit pictures of teenagers on the phone.

823
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: So now now he has to be a registered sex offender.

824
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: Like on top of all this, this case is all

825
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: over the place. But he only got a nine year

826
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: prison sentence.

827
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: So he got a prison sentence for abuse of a corpse,

828
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: basically sentenced on three felony accounts of sexual exploitation of

829
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: a child, as well as misdemeanor counts of child endangerment

830
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: and contributing to a child's misconduct. So so he got

831
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: in trouble more for the pictures on his phone and

832
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: then just like and some of those pictures included like

833
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: him taking pictures with the dead wife with the kid.

834
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, not actually like.

835
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: Cutting her up in all.

836
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: Of that stuff. It doesn't seem like it. Wow where

837
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 2: And it was in uh, Kansas, I think, and back

838
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 2: in like twenty nineteen, I think is when he got sentenced.

839
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why this. You know, I'd never

840
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: heard of this case and I just saw someone covered

841
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: it in a news story this week, so I was like, oh,

842
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: let's talk about it.

843
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: But it's I'm more worried that he's getting out soon.

844
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: I know, right, But I'm like, wait, twenty nineteen, while

845
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: it seems like five minutes ago because we lost years

846
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: of our lives due to COVID, I'm like, that's actually

847
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: coming up.

848
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: And I wonder who has his kids?

849
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

850
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: And he said something about flushing the placenta down the toilet.

851
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, how I guess if he cut it up.

852
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: No you, I mean, isn't that pretty big?

853
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: It's big, but it's you can like I mean really,

854
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: if you have your hands and it's not fixed, you

855
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: can just rip it apart.

856
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: Or you can.

857
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the consistency of like ground beef

858
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: or something like a hamburger. It is God, it's not

859
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: like when you cut it like a like you cut

860
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: it and this lices look like a steak.

861
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: But it's like if you had like it's like crumbly camber.

862
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: It's it's more put together than crumbly, but it's but

863
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: it is pretty crumbly, like it's not That's why we

864
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: when we it's nice to cut it when it's informalde

865
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: high because you could get better slices of it, because

866
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: it's it just doesn't stay together really well. Like I

867
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: don't really know how else to describe it. I would

868
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: think that it's most described as like if you had

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Speaker 1: ground beef and you like packed it together and made

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Speaker 1: like a hamburger the size of the placenta, and then

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Speaker 1: you cut it, you'd be able to have slices. But

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Speaker 1: it's not very like stable, like you could smush it

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Speaker 1: with your hands.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me of this summer you maybe intern with

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Speaker 2: you at the hospital and my very first day you

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Speaker 2: were like, look a placenta and it like you just

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Speaker 2: held it up. It looked like a giant jellyfish, so disgusting.

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Speaker 1: And then you saw like seven thousand more after that

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Speaker 1: because we got so many every day, there were days

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Speaker 1: we would get like fifteen or twenty, Like.

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Speaker 3: Do you get every single one from en?

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Speaker 1: No, most hospitals don't take everyone. They only take ones

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Speaker 1: that there's a problem. So like if you have a

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Speaker 1: totally normal delivery, like they won't send it to pathology.

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Speaker 1: But if you have like there's all different things, like

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Speaker 1: if you have a multiple birth, they always go to pathology.

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Speaker 1: If you have choreo amniitis, or if there's a tumor

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Speaker 1: or anything like that, if there's a two vessel cord,

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Speaker 1: like all different things, then they send it to pathology.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll make sure to write on my birth plan

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Speaker 2: that it's getting handed directly to you. Yes, please, it's

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Speaker 2: going right in a jar in my office. All right, guys, Well,

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Speaker 2: we have our event coming up in April with the

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Speaker 2: Center for Forensic Science, Research and Education. We will have

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Speaker 2: more details about that in the coming days, so please

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Speaker 1: See you, guys, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

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Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I

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Speaker 1: have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without

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