Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
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Speaker 1: the conbines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Hello everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome into another edition of The Draft Show presented
Speaker 1: by Miller Lite. We are here from the Indianapolis, Indiana
Speaker 1: Convention Center and the twenty twenty three NFL Combine alongside
Speaker 1: Ayisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. As we now welcome in
Speaker 1: our second guest in our second episode this week, we've
Speaker 1: got Dame Brugler from the Athletic lead draft analyst over
Speaker 1: with the Athletic and Dane Welcome back, sir. It's good
Speaker 1: to see you in person. Yeah. Absolutely, it's not the
Speaker 1: Combine until I get to sit tell with you guys.
Speaker 1: You know, we broadcast the Draft Show here, so yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this is uh, it's fun. It's a it's a busy week.
Speaker 1: I mean we always learned so much this week, not
Speaker 1: just on the field, but behind the scenes and just
Speaker 1: all the buzz going on. I mean, this is and
Speaker 1: it's not only draft, I mean this is where every
Speaker 1: you know, almost every GM, almost every head coach is here.
Speaker 1: This is where a lot of the free agent deals
Speaker 1: start to you know, the groundwork starts to happen, and
Speaker 1: so you know, there's so much going on. It's just
Speaker 1: sometimes you could feel overwhelming because you try to embrace
Speaker 1: it all. But uh, yeah, it's been a busy week
Speaker 1: and barely gotten started. Oh yeah, I feel like we're
Speaker 1: just getting under way. I usually I feel like you're
Speaker 1: probably in the same boat. First combine, I mean, what
Speaker 1: is the has it just been drinking from a fire hose?
Speaker 1: Is that really what the information has been flowing at you?
Speaker 1: Like over these last couple of days. You need a
Speaker 1: nap nap, I need a nap nap. No man, it's
Speaker 1: it's just for me. The idea of just being able
Speaker 1: to be around football to this level. It's just something
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I was going to ever experience,
Speaker 1: and just it's just a whole bunch of people that
Speaker 1: love football and it's a dope feeling being here, really is.
Speaker 1: And you get to share a desk with Dame No
Speaker 1: man about to be jealous. They've about to be jealous.
Speaker 1: Now it's cool to meet the man and the myth
Speaker 1: beligiend No, I appreciate that though. It's a I enjoyed
Speaker 1: doing the podcast with you guys a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and said, has to be fun to do it
Speaker 1: in person. It's already shown number three for you, so
Speaker 1: that's pretty wild to think about too. Usually we have
Speaker 1: to get you on the combine and that's the last
Speaker 1: we hear of you, and people love you, so it's
Speaker 1: dope just to talk to you, hear your perspective. I mean,
Speaker 1: the line you gave to us before, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's why you're here, right, Yeah, he gave us
Speaker 1: a little sneak peek at the beasts that's coming out
Speaker 1: on the Athletic, which, of course is the best draft
Speaker 1: guide out there. I will say that, no doubt about it,
Speaker 1: that one in the Star magazine Draft Guy course. But yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the two things that that I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to the most. And it all, like you said, it
Speaker 1: all just kind of starts funneling together with the combine.
Speaker 1: All this information starts converging in on each other. What's
Speaker 1: been the biggest storylines that have stuck out to you
Speaker 1: here over these first couple of days. Still a long
Speaker 1: way to go. Interviews go all the way up until Sunday.
Speaker 1: Workouts go all the way up until Sunday. But what
Speaker 1: have you seen so far and what's stuck out? I
Speaker 1: just had to make sure it's Wednesday, Okay, so it's Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no on field stuff yet, no measurements yet,
Speaker 1: So but we have. Today was the first time we
Speaker 1: saw prospects coming through for you know, defensive linemen, linebackers.
Speaker 1: Chance to talk to those guys. Obviously, the biggest news
Speaker 1: probably the Jaylen Carter news about you know, the warrant
Speaker 1: for his arrest with h you know, leaving the scene
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we just we don't know enough
Speaker 1: details right now to really dive into a subject like
Speaker 1: that in terms of how it's going to affect his
Speaker 1: draft stock, his football future. Um, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: sensitive subject obviously, so we just don't know enough about it.
Speaker 1: But talking about the biggest storylines from the combine that
Speaker 1: has to be you know, you know, kind of lead
Speaker 1: it off. And he was supposed to speak earlier this morning.
Speaker 1: Of course, with this being Wednesday when we're recording this,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to speak this morning. The news broke
Speaker 1: this morning too, so he didn't end up making it
Speaker 1: to the combine. Since then, reports are that he's going
Speaker 1: to return to Athens, where, of course the incident happened.
Speaker 1: And like you said, so little information, so quick on
Speaker 1: the turnaround of everything that just happened. But he was
Speaker 1: your number one prospect and your most recent top one
Speaker 1: hundred on the Athletic and I think you're not alone
Speaker 1: in that fact. I think a lot of people, a
Speaker 1: lot of teams had him as the number one prospect.
Speaker 1: Can this shake that and will this shake that? It's
Speaker 1: early to tell, but it's kind of it looks that
Speaker 1: way at least in the early going. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is why the combine is so important. It is to
Speaker 1: be able to sit down with these guys learn more
Speaker 1: about them. You know, you can watch the tape and
Speaker 1: see what a type of players they are, but getting
Speaker 1: a chance to interview them and learn about them as people,
Speaker 1: that's such an important part of it. Especially at the
Speaker 1: top five pick. You know, we're investing millions of dollars
Speaker 1: into you, and you know you're gonna be a face
Speaker 1: of our franchise and a building block to where we
Speaker 1: want to be and all that. So you know, with
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter, it just became a little more complicated. And
Speaker 1: you know, since he he won't be here, Um, he's
Speaker 1: gonna go back to Athens to take care of that,
Speaker 1: which you know understandably, So that pushes the timeline with
Speaker 1: you know, as teams trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter and how this could affect things. So we
Speaker 1: know what he is on the field, he is a
Speaker 1: dominant player. The line I keep coming back to with him,
Speaker 1: the block destruction is special. But now as a person,
Speaker 1: and you know what, there was already whispers about character concerns,
Speaker 1: things like that. I was told from a scout that
Speaker 1: went through there that he wouldn't characterize it as character concerns.
Speaker 1: There's more just immaturity, which you know, for a lot
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one year old players in this draft,
Speaker 1: you could say that about him. Know they're they're young.
Speaker 1: I don't. I certainly don't want people to go back
Speaker 1: when I was twenty one years old and to judge me,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, none of us want that.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, it's something that has to learn
Speaker 1: to be a professional. But obviously this new updated information
Speaker 1: clouds things a little bit and so it is as
Speaker 1: long as you know, there's time before the Bears have
Speaker 1: to you know, run up the card with the name
Speaker 1: on it. There's always time for something. Remember a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago with the gas masks Laramy Tunsil, like
Speaker 1: that happened that that day, that night, and so that
Speaker 1: changed things. Um, so with with this, with this card stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, time will tell. We'll give it time to breathe,
Speaker 1: let it play out. Um but you know, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: make any snap judgments that he is or isn't going
Speaker 1: to be that number one player in this draft. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting definitely. And when the announcement came
Speaker 1: through and we were getting the notifications on our phone,
Speaker 1: you could you could literally feel the energy here change,
Speaker 1: like everyone kind of went into the state of you know,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen and everyone's asking questions and wonder
Speaker 1: what was going on. So that also to me put
Speaker 1: in perspective like how big of like how big of
Speaker 1: a deal it would be if anything happened, and that
Speaker 1: this player just has such importance on this draft, it
Speaker 1: seems like, and how things could play out. So I'm
Speaker 1: I don't know, I felt the disappointment and stuff in
Speaker 1: the room like you could feel it, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: And even though we know little, it just still was
Speaker 1: like like I personally was like day, Well, it's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest draft storylines you could have. You think
Speaker 1: about it. You've just mentioned the Layami Tounsil situation. You
Speaker 1: think about some of those other prospects in the past,
Speaker 1: even some of these big storylines. Most of the time,
Speaker 1: they're not around the number one guy, right, this is
Speaker 1: the top prospect potentially in the draft class. So the
Speaker 1: fact that it's merged with the two and on a
Speaker 1: week like this where everybody's together, there was a huge,
Speaker 1: massive humanity around his podium earlier anticipating him walking up.
Speaker 1: Of course that ended up happening, but just the pure
Speaker 1: energy of the anxious arrival of these prospects and the
Speaker 1: anticipation of finally getting to hear from a lot of them,
Speaker 1: and then this is kind of the news that breaks
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a bit of a disappointment,
Speaker 1: a bit of a letdown for the most part. And
Speaker 1: you have to wonder, how because obviously with the number
Speaker 1: one pick and you know, the Bears trade or you
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen there. Something like this changes
Speaker 1: kind of how that conversation plays out. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the Bears, you're hoping for that
Speaker 1: phone call with the monster offer for you to trade back. Um.
Speaker 1: But now with this news, does that change anything with
Speaker 1: their thinking? So you know, it's definitely has an effect
Speaker 1: on about how we you know, project those first few picks.
Speaker 1: It's it makes things a little more complicated. Now. We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit earlier about that Bear's pick and
Speaker 1: whether or not they would trade it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to spend too much time on it, especially because it
Speaker 1: is a Cowboys draft show, but with the Bears specifically,
Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna call, get on the phone and bring
Speaker 1: that offer, that massive offer that it would take to
Speaker 1: take the number one pick, is that going to be
Speaker 1: for a quarterback or if could it be a non
Speaker 1: quarterback like a Jalen Carter or a Will Anderson at
Speaker 1: the top of the draft, though I think it's a
Speaker 1: quarterback all the way. I think if it's going to
Speaker 1: be that price right right exactly, And you know, look
Speaker 1: look at the top ten, there's probably what four teams
Speaker 1: that are realistically in play to move up. You look
Speaker 1: at the Texans at two, Colts at four, the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't roll out the Seahawks either. I
Speaker 1: mean that sure, Pete Carroll and John Schneider have said,
Speaker 1: we're all in on these quarterbacks. We're paying a lot
Speaker 1: of attention to them. But you know, I'd still be
Speaker 1: a little surprised if they took a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: top top five. Six picks, the Raiders at seven, and
Speaker 1: then the Panthers at nine. I think those four teams,
Speaker 1: you know, it's they're jocking for position. You know, we
Speaker 1: here's the guy we want, but you know is gonna
Speaker 1: be there for us? And so what does it what
Speaker 1: type of trade packages to take? Meanwhile, the Bears are like,
Speaker 1: you know, give us all the packages, get all the
Speaker 1: other trade packages, get your best offers. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised we see the Bears trade back twice. I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some panic with quarterbacks and like to
Speaker 1: try to get a hold of them early in this draft. Like,
Speaker 1: I really do think quarterback could change the start of
Speaker 1: this draft drastically. What do you think that's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's where I think we're all kind
Speaker 1: of in the dark because each one of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are talented, but you can put holes in them, right.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, we don't have a Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: this year. Where Trevor Lawrence was, He's going number one,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who's and one, He's going one. I don't
Speaker 1: think we have that guy this year. So, you know,
Speaker 1: could Anthony Richardson be the first quarterback drafted. It's nothing possible,
Speaker 1: you know, if the team really believes in his ceiling
Speaker 1: and what he could be. Uh, he's such a young player.
Speaker 1: You know, he has under four hundred past attempts in college.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hard to find those guys that have,
Speaker 1: you know, such meager experience. So um, you know the
Speaker 1: quarterback carasel at the top is going to be really
Speaker 1: interesting and shape out things play out. But yeah, again
Speaker 1: from the Bears, Uh, okay, let's let's take a trade
Speaker 1: offer from go to one to four and then hey,
Speaker 1: the Panthers are calling. They want to get up to four. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's trade back to nine. And meanwhile you're looking at
Speaker 1: the Bears. They have Justin Fields as their quarterback. You're
Speaker 1: going to next year with three first round picks, and
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, if Justin Fields works out, great. If
Speaker 1: he doesn't, well we've got three first round picks that
Speaker 1: go up and get Caleb Williams if it won't. So
Speaker 1: I think the Bears are in a perfect situation to
Speaker 1: to do this. I was literally just I'm starting to
Speaker 1: interrupt you. We were talking about it, but I was
Speaker 1: just we were talking about how much no one else
Speaker 1: what time about the Bears, but just how much the
Speaker 1: Bears have to fix and how they how much they
Speaker 1: have to build and just how like to me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how long do you you know, do that with Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: like until you start seeing improvements. So when you mentioned
Speaker 1: something like that and not saying he's not a great
Speaker 1: player and stuff, it's just like I don't want him
Speaker 1: to be wasted with them in a rebuilding phase either
Speaker 1: with the draft picks. So yeah, and because you figure,
Speaker 1: you know, a year for now, you need to start
Speaker 1: talking extension with Justin Field. Yeah, you're already there, right,
Speaker 1: You're already there. So the chance to reset the quarterback
Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback clock is a factor that I don't
Speaker 1: think enough fans really understand. It's a factor in how
Speaker 1: team to operate. Sure, especially if you if you need
Speaker 1: that outside help, you need to go and spend money
Speaker 1: and free agency and in order to win, or if
Speaker 1: you don't have the draft capital, which the Bears could
Speaker 1: acquire that draft capital by trading backwards. But it's not
Speaker 1: something that's out of the question to maybe look at
Speaker 1: resetting that rookie quarterback clock. Something to keep in mind
Speaker 1: as we move forward. Now, let's take a look deeper
Speaker 1: down into the draft class, because how could that sort
Speaker 1: of domino effect affect the Cowboys Because if these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: go early, We've always talked about it, at least over
Speaker 1: the deck era. Get these quarterbacks up there. Let's take
Speaker 1: as many quarterbacks. If we could take twenty five quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the first twenty six picks, that'd be awesome. Let's
Speaker 1: get it done right, because you want the best players
Speaker 1: that are non quarterbacks to slide down to you. If
Speaker 1: there is let's say a Bears team that's able to
Speaker 1: acquire two, maybe three first round picks, you've got a
Speaker 1: couple teams already in front of the Cowboys that have
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks. Does that hurt or does that
Speaker 1: help their chances to maybe try and stack the board
Speaker 1: a little bit in their favor to maybe get a
Speaker 1: first round graded player that deep into the first Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think this is an interesting draft
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't know how many first round
Speaker 1: grades they're gonna have. Usually there's you know, between eighteen
Speaker 1: and twenty two first round graded players. This year, I
Speaker 1: don't maybe they might not have them anymore. Where do
Speaker 1: you stand in terms of first round graded? Know, it's
Speaker 1: I'm more a little fewer than that. I'm more closer
Speaker 1: to fifteen, you know, like it's I don't in my
Speaker 1: I mean, no, you're right now, you're right. I think
Speaker 1: I think I'm about seven seventeen. No, that no, And
Speaker 1: that's it's just it's not not a ton of blue trippers.
Speaker 1: You know in this draft where it's certain positions you
Speaker 1: love the depth, you know, you tight end, pass rusher,
Speaker 1: running back, really good depth. But in terms of the
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, this guy's gonna come in be
Speaker 1: an impact starter for us. You know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: find those true first round grades. But you know what,
Speaker 1: uh Tyler Smith was was he you know, he was
Speaker 1: a blue strippers though, but the draft in first round
Speaker 1: and uh, you do a redraft tomorrow and he goes
Speaker 1: top ten. And they were confident in it too. They
Speaker 1: were they had a first round grade on him. And right, right,
Speaker 1: right right, that's being confirmed. I mean that wasn't just
Speaker 1: blowing smoke. They believed in Tyler Smith at twenty four
Speaker 1: last year. Can they get lucky again a couple picks later.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing to your point, Dan, Like, I
Speaker 1: what I could see there maybe being one tight end
Speaker 1: taken in the first round. If that interest in a
Speaker 1: good tight end class, I don't think I forgot That's
Speaker 1: what I was about to say. Listen, hear me out.
Speaker 1: I actually started, even though I looked into a few more,
Speaker 1: and I was impressed with some of them. I really
Speaker 1: liked that a lot of these guys are starting to
Speaker 1: just have more of the receiver qualities. I think you're
Speaker 1: starting to see a shift in so bad to a
Speaker 1: fact that if a guy has drops as a tight end,
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, he's not that good, Like God, he's
Speaker 1: a tight end like that you'll out. So the position
Speaker 1: is starting to interest me more. But I looked at
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft. Don't kay, those gentlemen, your favorite ten that
Speaker 1: you've seen so far. I don't think Kay was brought
Speaker 1: to my attention from from Utah. He's brought to my attention.
Speaker 1: I really started looking at I walked him last night,
Speaker 1: I looked at him today. And when you're talking about
Speaker 1: what do you want to tight end in this generation
Speaker 1: of NFL, he's kind of that dude. He's kind of
Speaker 1: that dude I have, sorry I have down the field.
Speaker 1: Threat has a good feel. A lot of tight end
Speaker 1: to me is feel like how do I feel the defender?
Speaker 1: How do I shift my weight or whatever the case?
Speaker 1: Maybe angles And I think he has a good feel
Speaker 1: for the game as well. And um, he's a former
Speaker 1: basketball player. You see it in his strong hands and
Speaker 1: how he really grabs the ball with his hands. Tight
Speaker 1: Ends are supposed to be a QB friendly. This is
Speaker 1: a guy you can throw. You can throw the ball
Speaker 1: up to and be like he's down there somewhere like
Speaker 1: I and I think that's helpful for any quarterback at
Speaker 1: this point. But I just think his hands are so
Speaker 1: strong and he can get some things done after the catch.
Speaker 1: Yak abilities seems to be important now and tight end
Speaker 1: like what are what world are we in right now?
Speaker 1: Like what are Jason Witten with some of these I'm
Speaker 1: just being honest with some of these guys from maybe
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Make like be a tight a standard
Speaker 1: tight end right now. We ain't got linebacker. We'll get right,
Speaker 1: We'll get there. But yeah, that's he is my favorite
Speaker 1: watch so far. There's other guys, but certainly understand that
Speaker 1: he I think he might be the best pure ass
Speaker 1: catcher in this draft. And receivers too. Wow, he is
Speaker 1: that good as a as a just a pure pass catcher.
Speaker 1: His ability to isolate the football, go and get it
Speaker 1: come down. And then to your point about the yak,
Speaker 1: he's very very efficient catch boom run like it's just
Speaker 1: it's a fluid motion. You're you're not overthinking it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally get it. My my big thing with him
Speaker 1: is just is he a tight end? You know he
Speaker 1: is he a bit just a big slot because you
Speaker 1: know what he weighs in at this week will be interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, you go back and look at tight ends
Speaker 1: that are below two forty five. There's not many many
Speaker 1: guys and he's at two forty six three two forty right, Well,
Speaker 1: we don't have a fit because he wasn't at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl that's right, and so we don't have the
Speaker 1: official measurements yet. Um in the spring, I think he
Speaker 1: was two forty one, so you know he's now could
Speaker 1: he put on five pounds, sure, and you know we'll
Speaker 1: have to see how that plays out. But that's because
Speaker 1: he's more of that that f tight end, that joker,
Speaker 1: the guy that's a high bread You want him in
Speaker 1: the slot. But you know, I like, like Travis Kelsey's
Speaker 1: two two hundred sixty pounds. Yeah, like people always say,
Speaker 1: oh I want Dallas Clark. Dallas Clark was two hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds. You know, like people need to remember
Speaker 1: like this, he's still tight end size. Where a guy
Speaker 1: that Kincaide and so, and that's maybe and that's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing if he's just a big slide because
Speaker 1: you can still be a very productive pro that way.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the most important thing with these
Speaker 1: tight ends is they all offer something a little different.
Speaker 1: You know, Kincaide's a little bit different than Musgraves, who's
Speaker 1: a little different than Mayor. And so depending on what
Speaker 1: your offense wants, you're gonna look at these tight ends
Speaker 1: a little differently. I have a question for both of you,
Speaker 1: how because I wasn't into the draft. I was into
Speaker 1: the draft, but not as much. How much did Peyton
Speaker 1: hinder shot way? I can get it to you because
Speaker 1: give me two seconds, because I think people could could
Speaker 1: have personally. I think some people would have said the
Speaker 1: same thing about or similar things about him, because if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Peyton only had like four drops his
Speaker 1: whole career. He was that receiver at that receiver, but
Speaker 1: he two fifty, have a really huge build two fifties
Speaker 1: where he waited at the common well, Jake was six
Speaker 1: four plus two fifty, so he was Jake has a
Speaker 1: little bit more size and you could see that in
Speaker 1: this game. But hendershot Um I thought that some of
Speaker 1: the reason why he went undrafted was because of size
Speaker 1: and blocking ability. So when you talk about Kincaid, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Payton is someone that is going to have
Speaker 1: success in this league as he, you know, continues to develop.
Speaker 1: But that's the body type seems a little similar to me.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I just was asking you guys.
Speaker 1: The lightest tight end to get drafted last year was
Speaker 1: Chick goes zim Oconquo from Maryland's two thirty eight and
Speaker 1: he was six two. So you talk about a guy
Speaker 1: who could maybe be a big slot, he was kind
Speaker 1: of fitting that mold. He wasn't as good of a
Speaker 1: pass catcher as these guys that were talking about with Kincaid,
Speaker 1: but well another Dalton, Dalton Schultz forty four at the combine,
Speaker 1: So a guy that was below that two forty five mark,
Speaker 1: and he kind of built into that. Yeah, tighten is
Speaker 1: a position obviously how to play it, but the size
Speaker 1: and learning how to use your weight, sit your hips,
Speaker 1: all this stuff isn't It's important to me because I
Speaker 1: look at these shelters and I feel like he's really
Speaker 1: gotten a better understanding of the field and just how
Speaker 1: to angle his body and stuff and how to shift
Speaker 1: his weight break tackles. He doesn't break a lot of tackles,
Speaker 1: but when he does, it's because he's shifting his way
Speaker 1: and I think he's learned it. He's learned how to
Speaker 1: do that and be fluid and still go. And I think,
Speaker 1: just you know, to your original point about maybe one
Speaker 1: going in the first round, it would be really interesting
Speaker 1: when we have such a talented group of tight ends
Speaker 1: at the top. You go, okay, let's go back fifteen
Speaker 1: years and look at the list of first round tight ends.
Speaker 1: It's not an impressive group. It's really not. And but
Speaker 1: you go back and look at it the top tight
Speaker 1: ends drafted second round, it's actually better in the group
Speaker 1: of drafted in the first round. So why is that? Well,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, it's like, how do you Each
Speaker 1: team will look at it look differently, So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll just we'll draft to tight end in the
Speaker 1: second round. You know, it's not quite that easy, but
Speaker 1: you know it's there's something at least to that where
Speaker 1: there for some reason, these first round tight ends have
Speaker 1: not I mean, okay, the last fifteen years, the tight
Speaker 1: end drafted in the first round who has lived up
Speaker 1: the most to his potential is maybe in Joku, maybe Hawkinson.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's not really that impressive. Rooms
Speaker 1: kind of falling into that with a different team. He's
Speaker 1: kind of funny to get right. What round was dollars
Speaker 1: Goddard taken in second second round now Barnacles. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: also too, I feel like tight end is very similar
Speaker 1: to what you said. Some people are going to look
Speaker 1: at Musgrave and be like, hey, yeah, because of the
Speaker 1: run blocking and all that stuff, but then a lot
Speaker 1: of on a show here, just telling you right now
Speaker 1: he's gonna put on a show. Yeah you think so
Speaker 1: he is. I think he might be one of the
Speaker 1: best athletes here, regardless of positions. Hater tidds And he's
Speaker 1: had six five, two fifty five and he's gonna run
Speaker 1: around like that, I tell you. Okay, he was a
Speaker 1: four sport guy in high school. See if you can
Speaker 1: name the four sports. Um, okay, football, football, basketball, because
Speaker 1: he's a tight end. No, no, now this is gonna
Speaker 1: get interesting. Baseball nope, Oh my gosh, water polo started
Speaker 1: getting weird ultimate for his bee baseball Nope, no baseball, No, okay,
Speaker 1: is a swimmer? No? Come on? Three more wild track, track,
Speaker 1: the big put that one up there. Socer nope? Two
Speaker 1: more tennis? What what sports are we talking about? Are
Speaker 1: he wrestling? Is he wrestling wrestling? Okay? Producer Alex brought
Speaker 1: that one out. That's a good question. What are the
Speaker 1: other two? Uh so, okay, he prepped in Oregon. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that helps or not. Lacrosse. Lacrosse? Okay, lacrosse,
Speaker 1: but I thought that would be satire. No, the real sport,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know there's not not every school offers lacrosse,
Speaker 1: Like it's not just my first. West Coast is big
Speaker 1: time lacrosse to the East Coast is a tough fourth
Speaker 1: one is skiing. So no way that as I said,
Speaker 1: the hips the bout, yep, exactly. I think that's where
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of it from. I think you
Speaker 1: can see it on the football field, So I do
Speaker 1: think Musgrave is gonna put on a little bit of
Speaker 1: a show here well. So my question to that, no,
Speaker 1: you're okay, thank you for that. But I I feel
Speaker 1: like the tight end position because like when we talk
Speaker 1: about the second round being it's like it's a skill position,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not like I feel like it does.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of skill, but I think people
Speaker 1: feel like they can develop that skill as opposed to
Speaker 1: you need to have it right away. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why folks decide to you know, scouts and stuff,
Speaker 1: they decide to go later in the later rounds. But
Speaker 1: I believe it is becoming a skill position. I believe
Speaker 1: that it's becoming and it's always been like the security blanket,
Speaker 1: you gotta have a good tight end, But now it's like,
Speaker 1: you're tight. We saw a tight end change the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl game. Like he's done it plenty of times. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like to see the impact that a
Speaker 1: good tight end can have on the field as a
Speaker 1: receiving threat. I mean, the Chiefs lost most of their
Speaker 1: receiving threats and the guy still went off. So you
Speaker 1: look at the three of the four teams that were
Speaker 1: in the title games this year, Great Travis Kelsey, George Kittle,
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard, the top probably the top three outside of
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. Sure in the league, right, make that argument? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, tight end is legitimately in. And how many
Speaker 1: of those tight ends were drafted first round? No? No,
Speaker 1: absolutely zero. It's like, you know, taking the point that
Speaker 1: point here. I think he was huge on Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, don't fully, and everybody was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I loved him. I'm not sure what's going on there,
Speaker 1: but it needs to be free. It just needs to
Speaker 1: be free, and he could be a player. I still
Speaker 1: have hopeful of him. I do too, Yeah, but he'll
Speaker 1: get there. It's you know, we talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot with running backs, right about positional value in the draft,
Speaker 1: and you know, is it okay to draft one in
Speaker 1: the first round? Is okay to draft one here? Tight ends?
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing. When you look at
Speaker 1: the track record a tight ends drafted where they are,
Speaker 1: you know you better off just waiting a little bit.
Speaker 1: So it's it is. It comes down to strategy and
Speaker 1: just every team's gonna look at it a little bit different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch to see just where
Speaker 1: these tight ends fall because there are some top heavy
Speaker 1: tight ends. You mentioned Kinkaid out of Utah, Mayor out
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame is right up there as well. And
Speaker 1: then you got Laporta from Iowa, Darnel Washington from Georgia.
Speaker 1: As unique as they come. Yeah, Craft I really South
Speaker 1: Dakota State. You can see his running back, his running
Speaker 1: back background, and his vision and how he sees the
Speaker 1: field as as a tight end. I mean when once
Speaker 1: he once he squares and he looks at the field
Speaker 1: and surveys like he's a problem because he can see different,
Speaker 1: you know, little crevices of where to where to cut,
Speaker 1: and where to go. I'm excited to see where these
Speaker 1: tight ends go because I'm intrigued by the position. Sure. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I ran into tight Ends coach Linda Wells last night
Speaker 1: and he wants to be on the show. So maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have to try and pick his brain too and
Speaker 1: see how that goes. He's like getting me on the show.
Speaker 1: Something on Tucker Craft that you know, you'll you'll you'll
Speaker 1: find in the draft guide. But so his phone was
Speaker 1: blowing up in the off season. Alabama wanted him. A
Speaker 1: lot of Power five teams wanted him. We're talking like
Speaker 1: six figures, uh and il Yeah, and he decided to
Speaker 1: stay put the South Dakota State. He decided won a
Speaker 1: national championship. He did, then I think they would have
Speaker 1: beat Iowa if he doesn't get hurt that he's an
Speaker 1: opening game. Yeah, I think his impact was that great. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then he was a close game. So you know,
Speaker 1: I really think that they would have they would have
Speaker 1: won that game. So I need to elevate Tucker Craft
Speaker 1: out of South Dakota State over Sam Laporta from Iowa's
Speaker 1: what you're telling, that's what I heard. I actually like Laporta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually might. I think this J And I think
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft is mouldiple. I think I feel like he
Speaker 1: can do he can. He can run block pretty well,
Speaker 1: but also he passes the ball well. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good in between that. If he gets a little
Speaker 1: bit more coaching and gets a little bit more fluid
Speaker 1: in the position, he could be he could be a
Speaker 1: player for sure. He's multiple in my opinion. Here you go,
Speaker 1: keep your eyes on the tight ends because that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun physician to watch. All Right, we gotta
Speaker 1: take a first break. When we come back, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do some twitter on the twenty and we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: a lot of prospects. That's what we're gonna do the
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's it's time now for some Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty Twitter Twitter Twitter on the twenty twenty two. We
Speaker 1: don't have the sounder Dame, so it's gonna fo me. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're pretty good, all right. We have this one question.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say his name on air because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something weird here, but uh, tell
Speaker 1: me more about defensive end Felix on udca Uzama from
Speaker 1: Kansas State. Correct, YEP, A late bloomer who you know,
Speaker 1: really didn't have a ton of offers coming out of
Speaker 1: high school in the Kansas City area and uh like
Speaker 1: he was gonna go to North Dakota State at one
Speaker 1: point and Kanda State came into mix really late, and
Speaker 1: you know he red shirted. He was a young player
Speaker 1: and he just really blew up. I I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. He's really productive. I from my pass rushers,
Speaker 1: I want a little bit more at the top of
Speaker 1: the rush in terms of just being a little more
Speaker 1: most of them getting around the corner. But how do
Speaker 1: you argue with his production? You know, he's he's a
Speaker 1: guy that just um and he's really smart, Like he's
Speaker 1: he's a guy that sets up his rush. He studies
Speaker 1: his opponent. He knows the blocker he's going up against.
Speaker 1: He knows how to set a trap. He knows, Okay,
Speaker 1: this tackle. You know, he's setting hard on his outside foot,
Speaker 1: outside foot, so he's gonna push up, push up, push up,
Speaker 1: and then go with the inside move. I mean he understands.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of pass rushers they're just gonna
Speaker 1: go throw this kitchen sink at him whatever. But this
Speaker 1: is the type of pass rusher that understands the type
Speaker 1: of blockers he's going up against and then how to
Speaker 1: use that against them. So that even though I'm not
Speaker 1: like super high on him, like he's on a top
Speaker 1: fifty guy for me, but I really like him in
Speaker 1: that day two range, and I think He's gonna have
Speaker 1: a long NFL career because of how intelligent and cerebral
Speaker 1: he is at attacking the quarterback. What did you see, Ayesha?
Speaker 1: I have not gotten to him yet. You haven't know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not about to sit up here and talk
Speaker 1: to him like I have. That's like, that's fine, That's
Speaker 1: why Dane's here, That's why we gotta get literally, yes,
Speaker 1: have you seen Mozzi Smith? Yes, from from Michigan defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to hear from him today.
Speaker 1: He got caught up in medicals and he never actually
Speaker 1: made it to the to the media side of things. Uh.
Speaker 1: I've heard some background interest from the Cowboys side of
Speaker 1: things because he's one of the best run stuffers in
Speaker 1: the draft, or at least that's his calling card coming
Speaker 1: out of college. Have you seen what have you seen
Speaker 1: from him that would impress you? And is he an
Speaker 1: option at twenty six? So? I mean yeah, like we
Speaker 1: were talking about, it depends on what you're looking for
Speaker 1: because a lot of these dts or d lineman. I
Speaker 1: feel like with the Cowboys, they've gone for guys who
Speaker 1: can rush the passer, but then they're going to stop
Speaker 1: the run. On the way to the passer. This guy
Speaker 1: right here is a run stopper. Do I think he
Speaker 1: could add, you know, some some pass rush stuff to
Speaker 1: his arsenal. Absolutely. I wanted to ask him to day
Speaker 1: that today to see if that was something he's working on.
Speaker 1: But he is such a willing run stopper. You see
Speaker 1: him at the bottom of piles all the time. He
Speaker 1: is not afraid to get in there and get and
Speaker 1: get dirty. But also too, I like how he disengages.
Speaker 1: I like how he gets guys hands off of him.
Speaker 1: And I was looking at him the battle between him
Speaker 1: and Steve a Villa, a Villa from TCU, we talked
Speaker 1: about it. I wanted to ask him. I felt like
Speaker 1: that was his hardest battle and he, I mean a
Speaker 1: Villa took him. They went at it and it was
Speaker 1: one of the best. To me, it was one of
Speaker 1: the best matchups I've watched, just man on man, power
Speaker 1: on power, and also technique on technique because to get
Speaker 1: off of the blocks the way that Mozzi does, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see how well he two gaps. If he
Speaker 1: does decide to two gaps. I feel like that's something
Speaker 1: in the league now that some guys can do when
Speaker 1: some guys can't. I talk to Hankins about that in
Speaker 1: the locker room, and he was just saying that it's
Speaker 1: it's you you think more. You have to think more
Speaker 1: when you're two gapping, and if you make the mistake,
Speaker 1: if you're taking yes, yes, yeah, And so for him,
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you want a guy to come
Speaker 1: in and eat up double teams and and two gap
Speaker 1: and possibly two gap later on, I think this is
Speaker 1: a guy you can bring in and immediately see a
Speaker 1: difference just from the middle of your defense, and he
Speaker 1: gonna get bigger, He's gonna get a couple of sandwiches
Speaker 1: in him. Dude, Like he's already, Dude, he's gonna um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't watch you can't watch Steve a.
Speaker 1: Villa and and not see this battle. Like you have
Speaker 1: to look at that battle. It was a real serious
Speaker 1: technical like towards the later the later quarters, like Okay,
Speaker 1: you're starting to know what I'm doing. I know what
Speaker 1: you're doing. It's just power. So he has one tech,
Speaker 1: three tech versatility, right, he can play anywhere in the interior.
Speaker 1: He was strictly a nose for for Michigan. He was
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna you know, the tilted nose where
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna take on a lot of doubles.
Speaker 1: And that's why his productor you look at his production,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna impress you. Yeah, they get a grand
Speaker 1: total of six tackles for lost in his career, maybe
Speaker 1: a half sack, that's it. But when you look at
Speaker 1: what he was asked to do, um, I mean he
Speaker 1: was more than fine occupying that role. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he was number one Bruce Feldman's Freaks List. This
Speaker 1: guy is a just a power, powerful, powerful guy. Talking
Speaker 1: to Mike Morris about him the Michigan defensive end, he
Speaker 1: just he's like, you guys don't see what I see
Speaker 1: in the in the weight room, in the locker room.
Speaker 1: The way this guy works, we call him the gorilla.
Speaker 1: Like he's just unbelievable, uh strength, like it just comes
Speaker 1: from all these weird places in his body. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy that's unselfish doing the dirty work inside.
Speaker 1: But I do I do think there could be a
Speaker 1: little bit more in terms of getting upfield, of attacking
Speaker 1: gaps and so yeah, Mozzi Smith, I'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: shocked if he last out. If he falls out of
Speaker 1: the top forty, it's more of a question, Okay, does
Speaker 1: he get into that first round or not. So in
Speaker 1: that part pretty much comes down to teams in their
Speaker 1: belief how much you know the pass rush potential? What
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah? Would you take him in the first round?
Speaker 1: Would he would he? If he's one of those guys, yes,
Speaker 1: Like we just it depends on what you are looking for,
Speaker 1: because some of these dts, like I feel like moving forward,
Speaker 1: some teams are looking for some pass rush ability from them,
Speaker 1: So I really think that could maybe be a knock
Speaker 1: on him, quote unquote. But if you just want if
Speaker 1: you just want a guy to come in, I mean,
Speaker 1: like we talked about it, feel like the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time saw what a
Speaker 1: true nose can do for your whole defensive line, how
Speaker 1: it frees up your linebackers, how it frees up And
Speaker 1: obviously Hankins is not a gentleman that you I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna you plan on keeping for an extended
Speaker 1: period of time. I would love a gentleman like this
Speaker 1: to come in to man the middle of this defense
Speaker 1: and the kind of slow down the run up. So
Speaker 1: the name I wrote down was Brandon Mebane and you know,
Speaker 1: he maybe that's not a sexy name, but the importance
Speaker 1: that he had to those Seattle defenses up front, like
Speaker 1: that's you know again, he doesn't he's not talked about
Speaker 1: it a lot because he's not gonna light up the
Speaker 1: stat sheet, but he was so important to what Seattle
Speaker 1: did and a lot of the you know, winning seasons
Speaker 1: they had, So you know, if you can and then
Speaker 1: you get into the conversation, Okay, is the price right
Speaker 1: in terms of the value of a first round pick,
Speaker 1: and but I think that's what you're looking for in
Speaker 1: your defensive line. Yeah, I mean you can absolutely, uh
Speaker 1: you make a case that he belongs there in the
Speaker 1: first round. Interesting to keep an eye on. I, like
Speaker 1: I said, I've heard interest, I really have from the
Speaker 1: Cowboys side of things because of his run stuffing ability.
Speaker 1: And it sounds that everything that you're telling me right now,
Speaker 1: and I don't know a ton about the background of
Speaker 1: the player, but all the background you're giving me at
Speaker 1: the moment, it feels like a Cowboys side it sort
Speaker 1: of pick this the type of guy that that Will
Speaker 1: McClay is going to to kind of rally around and
Speaker 1: put into his locker room and keep an eye on
Speaker 1: Mosley Smith moving forward. All right, Well, a combine, a
Speaker 1: good combine for Detroy or Datavian wis Datavian Wicks with
Speaker 1: that give him a three to five round possibility for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys if he has a really good combine. He
Speaker 1: is he's tough because you watch his twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: tap and you're like, Okay, this guy is big. He's
Speaker 1: talented wide receiver from Virginia by the way, yes I
Speaker 1: don't say that, but then you watch this twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two film and it's it's a disaster and it really
Speaker 1: just the entire Virginia offense was below average. It was
Speaker 1: tough to watch. But Wicks really struggled this year. But
Speaker 1: I you see the talent with him, and so he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that I it will probably take
Speaker 1: me the entire process to get a good read on
Speaker 1: him where I feel comfortable, Okay, this is what he
Speaker 1: is what will be at the NFL level, because it
Speaker 1: was just so night and day different junior year to
Speaker 1: senior year. So the drops are frustrating with him. But
Speaker 1: he's a big athlete who can make plays down the field.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, right now I've got him
Speaker 1: in that fourth fifth range. Could he get in the
Speaker 1: top one hundred? Sure, I think it's certainly possible because again,
Speaker 1: he's big, he's athletic. I think he'll do a nice
Speaker 1: job here at the Columbine. And want to see him
Speaker 1: in the gauntlet. You know, like we talked so much
Speaker 1: about the forty and you know, the three Cohen things
Speaker 1: like that, But the position drills, the position specific drills, um,
Speaker 1: that's a big part of this too. You know, for
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, I want to see him run the hoop.
Speaker 1: For wide receivers, I want to see hi run the
Speaker 1: gauntlet where you know you're gonna see their focus, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to see uh, you know, their ability
Speaker 1: to stay straight and balance on that that white line,
Speaker 1: how quickly they pluck put it away, keep going, uh,
Speaker 1: how quickly a pick up the football. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's a big thing for Wicks is to see how
Speaker 1: he does the gauntlet this week. Why do you think
Speaker 1: that is? Why do you think because he's not the
Speaker 1: only player I think a lot of people said can
Speaker 1: say the same about I mean, I person can say
Speaker 1: the same about even Will Anderson as a comparion in
Speaker 1: comparison to last year. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1: I've heard different reasons. Are different reasons as to I know,
Speaker 1: my draft stock is here, or a team's figuring out
Speaker 1: kind of what you like to do, your tendencies? What
Speaker 1: do you what do you kind of attribute Wicks kind
Speaker 1: of his his m his tape this season in comparison
Speaker 1: to last season. That's you know, that's that's the job
Speaker 1: of the scout, right, you have to be a private detective.
Speaker 1: You have to figure yet. Okay, let's let's dive in.
Speaker 1: Look at okay, coaching, change, injury, new quarterback. You know
Speaker 1: you have to take all these factors and figure it out.
Speaker 1: It really is like you're a you're a detective. You
Speaker 1: have to take the evidence and come up with the conclusion.
Speaker 1: And you know that's that's why, you know, scouts have
Speaker 1: to be fortune tellers, they have to be psychologists, they
Speaker 1: have to be detectives. They have to be all these
Speaker 1: where all these different hats, and a guy like Wicks
Speaker 1: is a good example of how you really have to
Speaker 1: be a detective. Um not so much the person, but
Speaker 1: the player to figure out Okay, what is the big difference?
Speaker 1: And with him, yes, new coach, new offense, but same quarterback. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know what and that's why he's
Speaker 1: a little frustrating is because of you know, he still
Speaker 1: saw plenty of targets. He should shouldn't have struggled as
Speaker 1: much as he did. But um, you know, definitely want
Speaker 1: to do more work on him. But I think he's
Speaker 1: in the mid round discussion. That's interesting to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on because that's one of those under the radar guys, right,
Speaker 1: that's an under the radar guy who could merge. I
Speaker 1: think you were talking about guys who had a drop
Speaker 1: off in tape. I think Kashan bout Booty. It is Bote.
Speaker 1: I think he's in that same conversation, but it was
Speaker 1: two years ago. So it's twenty twenty where he really
Speaker 1: broke out, or twenty one where he broke out and
Speaker 1: then worked into twenty one and twenty two the way
Speaker 1: that he did. So interesting case in both of those scenarios,
Speaker 1: keeping with wide receivers and you could maybe we can
Speaker 1: broaden this out to any position. Chris Olave surprised everybody
Speaker 1: last year with a really impressive forty time. Is there
Speaker 1: someone who could surprise us again this year? It's a
Speaker 1: good question from Brady. Did he surprise us? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we thought it would be fast, going to
Speaker 1: be fast? Yeah, Joe Brady's surprised. Okay, Brady, Sorry, Brady.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that could surprise us? Who are some
Speaker 1: of the fastest forty times that we can anticipate? Let's
Speaker 1: go through that. Well. I'll give you a guy who
Speaker 1: could surprise UM, Cedric Tillman, Tennessee. Okay, the quote unquote
Speaker 1: other Tennessee wide receiver, UM Jalen Hyatt is gonna blaze.
Speaker 1: But Cedric Tillman, the other Tennessee wide receiver. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. This guy is an NFL starter and at
Speaker 1: six three, two hundred and fifteen pounds, would not be
Speaker 1: surprised at all if he runs a sub four four
Speaker 1: five in the forty. He can move and he's a
Speaker 1: little linear, you know, like we'll find out about the
Speaker 1: short shuttle and three cone, but the jumps and the
Speaker 1: forty I think are gonna be really impressive with Cedric Tilman.
Speaker 1: I'm I think four under four four five or under
Speaker 1: and above forty inches in the vertical. It's very, very
Speaker 1: possible for for Cedric Tillman. So, um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy to keep in my top one hundred.
Speaker 1: He was like seventy or something like that. He I
Speaker 1: went back and watched a little bit more of him.
Speaker 1: He needs to be higher. I think he's. I think
Speaker 1: he's the top sixty guy. You know he's you plug
Speaker 1: him in Courtland Sutton. Um, you know, a faster version
Speaker 1: of Nico Collins like he's he's because he's a big body.
Speaker 1: He can win above the rim. But he's got speed
Speaker 1: as well. So I think Cedric's Tillman could turn some
Speaker 1: heads this week. All right, can I say a running back? Absolutely? Okay,
Speaker 1: I was trying to say, you know, I was trying
Speaker 1: to make sure I had his name right. Pittsburgh running
Speaker 1: back Israel. Uh there, I'm a conda. I think he
Speaker 1: people know he has burnt don't have no. I love it.
Speaker 1: I know he has like he has on field, like
Speaker 1: his his separation speed is so serious breakaway speed. Rather,
Speaker 1: it's sane. I think the dude is. And he also
Speaker 1: runs on his toes. I noticed that about him. He
Speaker 1: runs on his toes, which is a track thing. It's
Speaker 1: he's a track guy in high SCHOOLM I might know,
Speaker 1: I might, I might have been reading on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this this guy right here, he's he breaks a lot
Speaker 1: of tackles. He's insane in the open field. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna blaze that forty. Also, four three is possible
Speaker 1: for him. I agree, he's gonna he's gonna turn some heads.
Speaker 1: And he also to me, he's one of those, like
Speaker 1: we were talking about, one of those guys that might
Speaker 1: be the I don't know, maybe fourth, fourth round, maybe
Speaker 1: fifth round running back. But if he runs that forty
Speaker 1: the way that I think he is, because we already
Speaker 1: know there's a difference between on the field speed and
Speaker 1: then the forty speed, if he puts it together, some
Speaker 1: people are gonna be wondering. And his amen I like.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, so I like saying his
Speaker 1: name abandoned conduct. He's a perfect example of why you
Speaker 1: know you don't necessarily need to go draft and running
Speaker 1: back in the first round because oh lord, here you
Speaker 1: go the depth, second, third, fourth round. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can get that guy in the early fourth, maybe late third.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's My only issue with him
Speaker 1: is the contact balance. Yeah, he's Yeah, he's not. He's
Speaker 1: not in every down back. He's not a guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna run through people. He is going to break tackles
Speaker 1: because of angles. He I think he understands angles well.
Speaker 1: And I also think he understands when to accelerate at
Speaker 1: the right time when he hits the hole. There's he has.
Speaker 1: I think he has just enough suddenness and shiftiness to
Speaker 1: kind of balance out the fact that he does not
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of size. Yeah, some pop will
Speaker 1: destroy pursuit angles with the way he can gear change
Speaker 1: and then yeah, like you like you're saying that that's suddenness.
Speaker 1: I agree, um, but but no, it's the holes won't
Speaker 1: be as profound in the NFL to be able to
Speaker 1: do that. So you know it's like, Okay, full time
Speaker 1: back probably not, but a guy that could come in
Speaker 1: and be a really productive part of your offense, Yes,
Speaker 1: he can definitely be that. So like potentially on a
Speaker 1: team that like franchise tagged running back in the off season,
Speaker 1: that with it. I mean, I don't know, ye might
Speaker 1: like to use running back and you maybe use him
Speaker 1: out of the backfield and maybe block sometimes. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's I like his hands too. I think he has
Speaker 1: like he has strong hands. For you know the times
Speaker 1: that he did get to try to show his receiving qualities.
Speaker 1: It looked natural to him. It didn't look like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm running back and I'm just now learning how to
Speaker 1: catch the ball. It was like, I'm catching the ball
Speaker 1: in motion as I'm in and I think that's a
Speaker 1: running back. It's important. It seems to be more and
Speaker 1: more important these days when you're talking about running back.
Speaker 1: There's a Cowboys player Israel MCQUAMU. Why not just have
Speaker 1: Israel Abanaconda. I mean, why not, Let's just let's just
Speaker 1: double the real, real quick out of those two? Is
Speaker 1: the real Abaniconda out of pit and Devin A Chain
Speaker 1: out of Texas A and M Two running backs? Which
Speaker 1: one's gonna run a faster forty this week? Which one
Speaker 1: you take a jeans might pick for the fastest anybody?
Speaker 1: I think he's my favorite. I'm gonna I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: go with a chain there. I mean, he's just he's
Speaker 1: got that scary speed um and you see it on
Speaker 1: the field. I mean, obviously he ran track for a
Speaker 1: in him. Uh went in March he ran a twenty
Speaker 1: point twenty in the two hundred meters and it put
Speaker 1: that into perspective. Medal in the SEC Championships well, to
Speaker 1: qualify for the Olympics, you have to be at least
Speaker 1: you have to be under twenty point two four, and
Speaker 1: he was twenty point two zero, So wow, I mean
Speaker 1: he just scary specks. So this is a football player first,
Speaker 1: track athlete second. But I am interested to see where
Speaker 1: does he way in it. He's listening at one eighty
Speaker 1: five and you know that's not many running backs or
Speaker 1: sub one ninety in the NFL doing big things. So um,
Speaker 1: but you get to factor in. As soon as he
Speaker 1: was done with football, he joined the track team, so
Speaker 1: it's not like he really focused on adding weighty probably
Speaker 1: lean right exactly so, but preparing for the combine, preparing
Speaker 1: for the NFL, how much does he get to weigh?
Speaker 1: So I'll be paying close attention to his measuables when
Speaker 1: they come. A couple other sandwiches to kind of fit
Speaker 1: into it and try and build them up a little bit. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: for that. Tomorrow afternoon we'll have another episode out, but
Speaker 1: we'll wrap things up this way. I want more, tell
Speaker 1: me more. I asked this question to Bucky in the
Speaker 1: first part of this. Okay, since the last time we talked,
Speaker 1: who's been your favorite film study? Who's been your go
Speaker 1: to guy to watch it? Somebody that maybe you didn't
Speaker 1: watch a ton of early Maybe you went back. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Tillman Wide Receiver from Tennessee a little bit ago one.
Speaker 1: Is there somebody else that's like that that when you
Speaker 1: went back and watched him it really stuck out. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Um, yeah, Cedric Tillman would be
Speaker 1: one of them. I don't think I was high enough
Speaker 1: on him. Um. I liked him quite a bit. And
Speaker 1: he's a guy that wasn't at the Senior Bowl, so um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was a little out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of mind. But yeah, you know, almost have to
Speaker 1: go back to his twenty twenty one stuff to really
Speaker 1: appreciate how good he was. Um, let me, I'm looking
Speaker 1: through my list right now. I mean, Lucas van ness I,
Speaker 1: I think it is really really good. Okay, he's and
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna blow it up here. He's two
Speaker 1: seventy five and he's gonna run the four fives um
Speaker 1: out of Iowa out of Iowa. Yes, uh, hockey player
Speaker 1: growing up. You know, that's where he got that physical uh,
Speaker 1: that agility, but also that physical uh natured that he
Speaker 1: plays with. It's fascinating. A guy with zero career starts
Speaker 1: in college is gonna be a top twelve pick. But
Speaker 1: I do think Lucas Vaness uh could end up going
Speaker 1: that high, So you know he's in that mix. Um. Oh,
Speaker 1: how about a guy we talked about earlier, Ivan Pace.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just uh, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: can watch his film and just not appreciate just how
Speaker 1: hard he plays. Um he is. He's just gonna try
Speaker 1: and run through you, you know, and it's he'll learn
Speaker 1: in the NFL he can't always do that. But um,
Speaker 1: I want that energy on my field, on my team. UM,
Speaker 1: and I want that. If he told me he moonlighted
Speaker 1: as a m M A fighter, would not be surprised
Speaker 1: at all, Like that's that's that's how he plays. And
Speaker 1: so um, you know, I think he's a guy that
Speaker 1: you just appreciate more and more. And Okay, well, how's
Speaker 1: he fit on your NFL team? I'm not quite sure yet, Like,
Speaker 1: is he you know, can he cover, okay, play special
Speaker 1: teams like there's there are questions that need to be answered.
Speaker 1: Oh I know. Is he's just a darn good football player.
Speaker 1: And so the more you more you watch him, the
Speaker 1: more you appreciate him. And it's like, man, I just
Speaker 1: I want to find it. I wait to get this
Speaker 1: on my team. To your point, I was at his
Speaker 1: interview and he talked about wrestling. He wrestled for thirteen years,
Speaker 1: and he said he's played he wrestled as long as
Speaker 1: he played football. And he said, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: playing linebacker like you need to be, you need to
Speaker 1: wrestle sometimes absolutely, and and that's actually what I have
Speaker 1: hard to get your hands on him. He diagnoses really
Speaker 1: well like you were talking about, and he just like
Speaker 1: you said, he is one of those guys that you
Speaker 1: have to really in your mind kind of throw out
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we're supposed to know about linebacker
Speaker 1: and just enjoy watching this player play football at a
Speaker 1: high level. Like it is like that with him. So
Speaker 1: it was dope hearing him talking. He's not he does
Speaker 1: not care about his size at no. No, he is
Speaker 1: not thrown out and as someone that's five one definitely.
Speaker 1: I felt that, like when he said when he said today,
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't I don't care about you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really care about how Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's me.
Speaker 1: We agree, But no, like he's he's been one of
Speaker 1: my guys, Like, all right, so I've been looking at
Speaker 1: you know, because I've been looking at guard, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to This guy's actually a left tackle. Anton Harrison
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma. Yeah, okay, got to see him. I watched
Speaker 1: him play some of the left guard that he played,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty pretty good. I thought. I thought
Speaker 1: his past his pass pro is what's really impressive. His
Speaker 1: feet just keep moving, he doesn't stop, and his I
Speaker 1: think his punch or his arms are good enough to
Speaker 1: where he's like he can keep you off of him
Speaker 1: or just keep that just enough spacing to where he's
Speaker 1: almost like a nuisance to me in pass pro, where
Speaker 1: if you're a d N, you're probably annoyed by the
Speaker 1: fact that you you can't get to him, and also too,
Speaker 1: I believe one dang it, I believe I actually think
Speaker 1: I saved it. There were one one of the dns
Speaker 1: today spoke about him and talked about how he was
Speaker 1: one of the Felix. Felix, Yeah. He said that he
Speaker 1: was the toughest, the toughest offensive tackle that he faced
Speaker 1: in college. He said he has he has quick feet,
Speaker 1: aggressive hands, and he was like, he's the best tackle
Speaker 1: in this class in mind opinion. Wow, which is really
Speaker 1: high praise from a guy we just talked about g
Speaker 1: n wise that is through the roof. I I just
Speaker 1: I also too, I watched him against KeAndre Colburn from Texas,
Speaker 1: who's someone that I mentioned on the Draft show, and
Speaker 1: KeAndre got him that first couple plays at the game
Speaker 1: and it was crickets. After that, it was real quiet
Speaker 1: from KeAndre for the remessag. He's actually one of those
Speaker 1: guys too that once he figures it out, he figures
Speaker 1: it out. And he's young, he's very he just turned
Speaker 1: twenty one years old like last week. So smart. He
Speaker 1: even has the ability, like we don't see it that
Speaker 1: much in a lot of offensive linemen until later in
Speaker 1: their career, but the ability to have the awareness to disengage,
Speaker 1: help out their buddy and get back on their their play.
Speaker 1: It's something that even I think Tyler Smith had to
Speaker 1: learn and get better at this season. He does this
Speaker 1: well already, so I was just seeing a little bit
Speaker 1: of the flex he had to step in that guard
Speaker 1: this year, well in twenty twenty two for a few games,
Speaker 1: and I thought he played more than well enough there
Speaker 1: that if you did design to maybe man he gets
Speaker 1: some coaching, this guy might be a player at guard
Speaker 1: as well, even though he's left. What do you have.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was like number sixty on my top
Speaker 1: one hundred. So yeah, i'll tell you what we've seen
Speaker 1: Worset tackles go in the first round. So if Anton
Speaker 1: Harrison ends him going in first round, that shouldn't surprise anybody.
Speaker 1: That's just a value to the tackle position, right, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so I mean he's Anton Harrison's a good player
Speaker 1: who um would not be surprised at all if he
Speaker 1: ends up going top forty, top thirty, because you know,
Speaker 1: the a lot of what you said, the light feet,
Speaker 1: the h the fact that he just heard twenty one.
Speaker 1: You're his entire rookie year. He's be twenty one years
Speaker 1: old and he's still learning, and you feel not just
Speaker 1: who he is now, but what he's going to grow into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty exciting. Natural Cowboys valued that with Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: in his youth coming out of college. And even though
Speaker 1: he had experience, which Harrison does as well, you have
Speaker 1: that youth to kind of combine the two with it.
Speaker 1: That's something to keep in mind as well. Tell me
Speaker 1: more about Keyon White ed Rusher out of Georgia. Fascinating background. Um,
Speaker 1: and you talk about a guy who Okay, his junior
Speaker 1: year in high school, he was a two hundred and
Speaker 1: five pounds center. Okay, wow, no buzz on this guy
Speaker 1: as a recruit. Was this like a two way school
Speaker 1: or was it like a legitimate Yeah, he just his
Speaker 1: barn Or high school and Garner, not North Carolina. His
Speaker 1: body hadn't developed, you know, like that type of thing.
Speaker 1: And then he moves to tight end and defensive end
Speaker 1: as a senior and no offers until like right before
Speaker 1: signing day and Old Dominion gives him a shot. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he goes Old Dominion. He's a tight end, he's
Speaker 1: a blocking tight end. He's got like eleven catches. And
Speaker 1: then they say, let's try to move you to d End.
Speaker 1: Moved to d End, Okay, and then COVID happens, and
Speaker 1: so he has the Old Dominion cancels their season. He's like,
Speaker 1: I want to play so he transfers to Georgia Tech,
Speaker 1: and then before the twenty twenty one season playing basketball
Speaker 1: just dislocates his ankle, so he's out basically all of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Came back, but he wasn't one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So really this year is like the most we've been
Speaker 1: able to see him healthy and at defensive end. And
Speaker 1: he's a freaky athlete. Yeah, but six year six year seniors,
Speaker 1: so he's pen in college a lot older guy, but
Speaker 1: he's another guy that's going to test really well here.
Speaker 1: He moves really cleanly, he's got power to him. He's
Speaker 1: two eighty five, but he moves better than some guys
Speaker 1: that are two hundred and fifty five pounds. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I wrote down about him
Speaker 1: was we don't know, like it could be really he
Speaker 1: could be really great sure, or injuries might be a
Speaker 1: thing because like you said that, they have attacked him
Speaker 1: really this last couple of Yes. But to your point, Dan,
Speaker 1: he is such a presence on the field you can
Speaker 1: I've obviously I've never been on the field with him,
Speaker 1: but I feel like you could probably feel him and
Speaker 1: the speed to powers there. I feel like the hand
Speaker 1: tech could get a little bit better. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I think he disengages pretty well as well.
Speaker 1: I was impressed with him. I'm just a little on
Speaker 1: the fence with the nature of especially when you start
Speaker 1: talking about ankles and stuff like that with a guy
Speaker 1: that you mean as a as a d and you
Speaker 1: need to be able to do all those things. And
Speaker 1: he Um, he's really smart, he really he wants again
Speaker 1: a real estate like he's he's he's he's very business focused. Um,
Speaker 1: he was an interesting guy to talk to. Um. But
Speaker 1: you know he's again, he's an older guy. So what's
Speaker 1: the value of a player like that? Could he go
Speaker 1: first round? With his traits and the way he's going
Speaker 1: to test? Absolutely, I think he could end up going
Speaker 1: first round. I think he was number forty for me
Speaker 1: in my top one hundred, So just outside um the
Speaker 1: first round, early to mid second round is where I
Speaker 1: have him. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone jumps
Speaker 1: on just the pure talent that he offers. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: he ends up sliding into the early parts of that
Speaker 1: first round, it would be a tough conversation or early
Speaker 1: parts of the second round, it'd be a tough conversation
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to try and pick him up, because
Speaker 1: at twenty six it might be too rich, at fifty
Speaker 1: eight it might be too soft. You know, you never
Speaker 1: really know with a prosect like that. Again, with that ability,
Speaker 1: you know, I can I can get it. He's he's uh,
Speaker 1: he just turned twenty four years old, and so you know,
Speaker 1: how does that factor in? I think when you look
Speaker 1: at his journey, we just laid it out, he's, you know,
Speaker 1: really late to the position. So he's he's got upside.
Speaker 1: Most twenty four year olds don't have upside. This guy does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you gotta have a good coaching staff. All right,
Speaker 1: who are you most excited to watch going into the
Speaker 1: drills tomorrow? We will have one more show before the
Speaker 1: drills happened. We'll talk a little bit more about what
Speaker 1: could maybe come of that in tomorrow night's coverage. But
Speaker 1: who were you looking forward to seeing? The must For me,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be Will Anderson. You know, I think, do
Speaker 1: you post the numbers of a potential top five pick?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the tape check that box, you
Speaker 1: know you see it on the tape. The stats, even
Speaker 1: though his junior stats weren't as good as a sophomore.
Speaker 1: Stats still check that box. He was outstanding in terms
Speaker 1: of production. What does his ten yard look like? You know,
Speaker 1: ten yards split? What's the three cone look like? You know,
Speaker 1: just the how does he run the hoop in the
Speaker 1: position drills? I want to see him look like a
Speaker 1: top three pick, top five pick, because everything else about
Speaker 1: Will Anderson says he is um. So I just want
Speaker 1: to see it on the field, just to kind of
Speaker 1: because again, that's what the combine is. It's it's cross
Speaker 1: checking exercise, making sure that you're verifying what you saw
Speaker 1: on tape and what you see in the stat sheet.
Speaker 1: It's verified here. I just want to see Will Anderson
Speaker 1: be able to do that. I got can I say too? Yes,
Speaker 1: of course, so Dwan Jones, Yeah, Ohio State is one
Speaker 1: of the gentlemen I'm really looking at because we only
Speaker 1: saw him for one day at the Senior Bowl. He
Speaker 1: came in there. He showed his feet look far improved
Speaker 1: from what I saw to him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: At a few drills that we saw him doing prior
Speaker 1: to that. True, true that I saw him struggle with
Speaker 1: the speedy edge rushers and he put he puts him
Speaker 1: in a seatbelt in the Senior Bowl. So I want
Speaker 1: to see how he chat man. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: he could change. I think the conversation between about him
Speaker 1: and Osiris could could change with this, with how they
Speaker 1: grade out, how they test here. Wow, um, so those
Speaker 1: are my that's those those gentlemen there. And then also
Speaker 1: to Will McDonald, is a guy that you know already
Speaker 1: like Iowa State at another multiple sport athlete, skateboards, martial artists,
Speaker 1: all this stuff, credible balance. I want to he strikes
Speaker 1: me as another athlete, like just a crazy athlete. I
Speaker 1: want to see how he tests. I think he could
Speaker 1: help his stock because I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: were worried about his size and the run game stopping
Speaker 1: very lean. But if he tests well, I think it
Speaker 1: could change the conversation a little bit for him as far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna test well because that's that's
Speaker 1: what he is. He is an athlete. So even though
Speaker 1: because I do have questions about, yeah, his ability versus
Speaker 1: to run and for a fifth year senior who's gonna
Speaker 1: be a twenty four year old rookie, I wish he
Speaker 1: was a little more advanced, you know, for where he
Speaker 1: is I still feel he's like a little raw in
Speaker 1: terms of his set up with his Russian moves and
Speaker 1: things like that, but there is no question about his athleticism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he should tear it up here. I don't, so I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be blasphemous. I'm not gonna say that. But
Speaker 1: as far as the rawness, the athleticism and stuff, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, we've seen a guy like that
Speaker 1: and he got some coaching and he's better. Who's that
Speaker 1: number eleven, Michael Park? But I'm just but with with
Speaker 1: d ND right now. To me, I'm looking for I've
Speaker 1: been telling you pursuit and athleticism so important to me
Speaker 1: because of how much the RPO was involved in this game,
Speaker 1: run action, that stuff. The guys that aren't that athletic
Speaker 1: at end are struggling show up there. It's like, it's sorry,
Speaker 1: please don't give me tank DeMarcus Lawrence, Fantastic is stopping
Speaker 1: the run. Fantastic is stopping the run. But when he
Speaker 1: got put on on an island a couple of times
Speaker 1: this year, there were some struggling. I think we've seen
Speaker 1: that with other players too, So I'm I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the pursuit and how much of an athlete you are,
Speaker 1: because I think the rest you can kind of coach,
Speaker 1: but the pursuit really is important to me in this
Speaker 1: in this league, in the way that it's being played
Speaker 1: right now. Oh that's that's well said. Um. One other
Speaker 1: guy I would want to mention Zach Harrison, who we
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to se get the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: But what's cool Ohio State. Uh, this guy is going
Speaker 1: to test big time and he is two sixty five
Speaker 1: and I'll put the over under on this forty at
Speaker 1: four five three. That wow, Yeah, he's got that thing.
Speaker 1: So I want to see. Um, I want to see
Speaker 1: because he's he was in high school he was a
Speaker 1: sub eleven second one hundred meter guy. Um, he's got
Speaker 1: big time speed. He's really long too. He should have
Speaker 1: over thirty six in charms. Um. So, Zach Harrison. If
Speaker 1: you're looking for a linear rusher with speed and length,
Speaker 1: Harrison's your guy. This is a big human two seventy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be rolling two sixty two seventy probably you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't get in his wife fun stuff. This is what
Speaker 1: we look forward to in the combine is chopping in
Speaker 1: up like that and we're gonna do that a little
Speaker 1: bit more tomorrow with Dan Brugler from the Athletic Dane.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for hopping on and thanks for the
Speaker 1: inviting to talk to you again tomorrow. This is this
Speaker 1: is what I come here for. This is what the
Speaker 1: excitement is. Let's go, let's go have some fun, Let's
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