WEBVTT - Draft Show: Tight Windows 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:07.880 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.720 room for incenter news and craft analysis from deep within 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.320 the conbines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:25.440 Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Hello everybody, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.040 and welcome into another edition of The Draft Show presented 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.760 by Miller Lite. We are here from the Indianapolis, Indiana 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.880 Convention Center and the twenty twenty three NFL Combine alongside 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.040 Ayisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. As we now welcome in 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.920 our second guest in our second episode this week, we've 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.480 got Dame Brugler from the Athletic lead draft analyst over 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.479 with the Athletic and Dane Welcome back, sir. It's good 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.360 to see you in person. Yeah. Absolutely, it's not the 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.520 Combine until I get to sit tell with you guys. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.560 You know, we broadcast the Draft Show here, so yeah, no, 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.360 this is uh, it's fun. It's a it's a busy week. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.120 I mean we always learned so much this week, not 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.440 just on the field, but behind the scenes and just 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.600 all the buzz going on. I mean, this is and 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.720 it's not only draft, I mean this is where every 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.640 you know, almost every GM, almost every head coach is here. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.880 This is where a lot of the free agent deals 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.600 start to you know, the groundwork starts to happen, and 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.080 so you know, there's so much going on. It's just 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.560 sometimes you could feel overwhelming because you try to embrace 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.600 it all. But uh, yeah, it's been a busy week 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.240 and barely gotten started. Oh yeah, I feel like we're 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.880 just getting under way. I usually I feel like you're 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.080 probably in the same boat. First combine, I mean, what 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.559 is the has it just been drinking from a fire hose? 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.000 Is that really what the information has been flowing at you? 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.600 Like over these last couple of days. You need a 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.840 nap nap, I need a nap nap. No man, it's 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.440 it's just for me. The idea of just being able 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.120 to be around football to this level. It's just something 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.160 I didn't know if I was going to ever experience, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.240 and just it's just a whole bunch of people that 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.680 love football and it's a dope feeling being here, really is. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.600 And you get to share a desk with Dame No 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:07.320 man about to be jealous. They've about to be jealous. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.840 Now it's cool to meet the man and the myth 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.640 beligiend No, I appreciate that though. It's a I enjoyed 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.760 doing the podcast with you guys a couple of weeks 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.120 ago and said, has to be fun to do it 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.560 in person. It's already shown number three for you, so 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.040 that's pretty wild to think about too. Usually we have 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:24.920 to get you on the combine and that's the last 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.680 we hear of you, and people love you, so it's 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.200 dope just to talk to you, hear your perspective. I mean, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.160 the line you gave to us before, he was like, yeah, 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.320 that's that's why you're here, right, Yeah, he gave us 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.799 a little sneak peek at the beasts that's coming out 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.040 on the Athletic, which, of course is the best draft 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.040 guide out there. I will say that, no doubt about it, 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.560 that one in the Star magazine Draft Guy course. But yeah, 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.880 those are the two things that that I'm looking forward 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.880 to the most. And it all, like you said, it 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.639 all just kind of starts funneling together with the combine. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.240 All this information starts converging in on each other. What's 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.320 been the biggest storylines that have stuck out to you 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.880 here over these first couple of days. Still a long 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.240 way to go. Interviews go all the way up until Sunday. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.320 Workouts go all the way up until Sunday. But what 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.240 have you seen so far and what's stuck out? I 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.360 just had to make sure it's Wednesday, Okay, so it's Wednesday. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.560 Uh yeah, no on field stuff yet, no measurements yet, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.840 So but we have. Today was the first time we 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.000 saw prospects coming through for you know, defensive linemen, linebackers. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.080 Chance to talk to those guys. Obviously, the biggest news 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.079 probably the Jaylen Carter news about you know, the warrant 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.959 for his arrest with h you know, leaving the scene 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.079 and uh, you know, we just we don't know enough 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.360 details right now to really dive into a subject like 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.800 that in terms of how it's going to affect his 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.680 draft stock, his football future. Um, you know, it's a 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.640 sensitive subject obviously, so we just don't know enough about it. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.960 But talking about the biggest storylines from the combine that 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.880 has to be you know, you know, kind of lead 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.920 it off. And he was supposed to speak earlier this morning. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.280 Of course, with this being Wednesday when we're recording this, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.000 he was supposed to speak this morning. The news broke 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.000 this morning too, so he didn't end up making it 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.400 to the combine. Since then, reports are that he's going 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.360 to return to Athens, where, of course the incident happened. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.040 And like you said, so little information, so quick on 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.240 the turnaround of everything that just happened. But he was 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.880 your number one prospect and your most recent top one 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.640 hundred on the Athletic and I think you're not alone 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.240 in that fact. I think a lot of people, a 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.360 lot of teams had him as the number one prospect. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.719 Can this shake that and will this shake that? It's 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.360 early to tell, but it's kind of it looks that 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.880 way at least in the early going. I mean, this 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.640 is why the combine is so important. It is to 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.240 be able to sit down with these guys learn more 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.640 about them. You know, you can watch the tape and 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.279 see what a type of players they are, but getting 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.320 a chance to interview them and learn about them as people, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.240 that's such an important part of it. Especially at the 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.080 top five pick. You know, we're investing millions of dollars 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.839 into you, and you know you're gonna be a face 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.520 of our franchise and a building block to where we 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.000 want to be and all that. So you know, with 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.160 Jalen Carter, it just became a little more complicated. And 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.680 you know, since he he won't be here, Um, he's 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.120 gonna go back to Athens to take care of that, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.880 which you know understandably, So that pushes the timeline with 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.080 you know, as teams trying to figure out, you know, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.520 Jalen Carter and how this could affect things. So we 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.279 know what he is on the field, he is a 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.880 dominant player. The line I keep coming back to with him, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.920 the block destruction is special. But now as a person, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.880 and you know what, there was already whispers about character concerns, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.360 things like that. I was told from a scout that 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.479 went through there that he wouldn't characterize it as character concerns. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.800 There's more just immaturity, which you know, for a lot 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.320 of twenty twenty one year old players in this draft, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.120 you could say that about him. Know they're they're young. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.320 I don't. I certainly don't want people to go back 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.600 when I was twenty one years old and to judge me, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.159 I mean it's you know, none of us want that. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.440 So uh, you know, it's something that has to learn 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.920 to be a professional. But obviously this new updated information 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.400 clouds things a little bit and so it is as 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.600 long as you know, there's time before the Bears have 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.599 to you know, run up the card with the name 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.000 on it. There's always time for something. Remember a couple 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.240 of years ago with the gas masks Laramy Tunsil, like 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.960 that happened that that day, that night, and so that 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.520 changed things. Um, so with with this, with this card stuff, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.080 you know, time will tell. We'll give it time to breathe, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.320 let it play out. Um but you know, it wouldn't 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.560 make any snap judgments that he is or isn't going 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.240 to be that number one player in this draft. So 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.800 it's it's it's interesting definitely. And when the announcement came 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.839 through and we were getting the notifications on our phone, 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.880 you could you could literally feel the energy here change, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.120 like everyone kind of went into the state of you know, 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.200 what's going to happen and everyone's asking questions and wonder 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.640 what was going on. So that also to me put 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.159 in perspective like how big of like how big of 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.560 a deal it would be if anything happened, and that 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.720 this player just has such importance on this draft, it 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.360 seems like, and how things could play out. So I'm 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.320 I don't know, I felt the disappointment and stuff in 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.360 the room like you could feel it, you know, yeah, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.000 And even though we know little, it just still was 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.040 like like I personally was like day, Well, it's one 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.840 of the biggest draft storylines you could have. You think 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.360 about it. You've just mentioned the Layami Tounsil situation. You 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.360 think about some of those other prospects in the past, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.680 even some of these big storylines. Most of the time, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.760 they're not around the number one guy, right, this is 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.520 the top prospect potentially in the draft class. So the 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.680 fact that it's merged with the two and on a 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.240 week like this where everybody's together, there was a huge, 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.920 massive humanity around his podium earlier anticipating him walking up. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.720 Of course that ended up happening, but just the pure 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.800 energy of the anxious arrival of these prospects and the 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.880 anticipation of finally getting to hear from a lot of them, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.120 and then this is kind of the news that breaks 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.000 it was it was. It was a bit of a disappointment, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.040 a bit of a letdown for the most part. And 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.360 you have to wonder, how because obviously with the number 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.560 one pick and you know, the Bears trade or you 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.920 know what's going to happen there. Something like this changes 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.560 kind of how that conversation plays out. Um. You know, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.160 if you're if you're the Bears, you're hoping for that 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.800 phone call with the monster offer for you to trade back. Um. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.920 But now with this news, does that change anything with 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.760 their thinking? So you know, it's definitely has an effect 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.480 on about how we you know, project those first few picks. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.280 It's it makes things a little more complicated. Now. We 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.720 talked a little bit earlier about that Bear's pick and 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.040 whether or not they would trade it. I don't want 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.480 to spend too much time on it, especially because it 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.920 is a Cowboys draft show, but with the Bears specifically, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.600 if somebody's gonna call, get on the phone and bring 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.960 that offer, that massive offer that it would take to 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:33.680 take the number one pick, is that going to be 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.680 for a quarterback or if could it be a non 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.640 quarterback like a Jalen Carter or a Will Anderson at 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:39.920 the top of the draft, though I think it's a 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.559 quarterback all the way. I think if it's going to 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.120 be that price right right exactly, And you know, look 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.400 look at the top ten, there's probably what four teams 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.000 that are realistically in play to move up. You look 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.480 at the Texans at two, Colts at four, the Raiders. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.600 I mean, you don't roll out the Seahawks either. I 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.640 mean that sure, Pete Carroll and John Schneider have said, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.920 we're all in on these quarterbacks. We're paying a lot 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.880 of attention to them. But you know, I'd still be 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.080 a little surprised if they took a quarterback in the 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.560 top top five. Six picks, the Raiders at seven, and 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.320 then the Panthers at nine. I think those four teams, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.559 you know, it's they're jocking for position. You know, we 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:20.840 here's the guy we want, but you know is gonna 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.440 be there for us? And so what does it what 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.800 type of trade packages to take? Meanwhile, the Bears are like, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.840 you know, give us all the packages, get all the 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.880 other trade packages, get your best offers. I wouldn't be 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.640 surprised we see the Bears trade back twice. I think 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.040 there's gonna be some panic with quarterbacks and like to 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.160 try to get a hold of them early in this draft. Like, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.160 I really do think quarterback could change the start of 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.479 this draft drastically. What do you think that's the thing. Yeah, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.680 you know, that's that's where I think we're all kind 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.680 of in the dark because each one of these quarterbacks 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.480 are talented, but you can put holes in them, right. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.440 You know, It's like, we don't have a Trevor Lawrence 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.280 this year. Where Trevor Lawrence was, He's going number one, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.880 doesn't matter who's and one, He's going one. I don't 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.960 think we have that guy this year. So, you know, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.240 could Anthony Richardson be the first quarterback drafted. It's nothing possible, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.559 you know, if the team really believes in his ceiling 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.720 and what he could be. Uh, he's such a young player. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.120 You know, he has under four hundred past attempts in college. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.480 You know, it's it's hard to find those guys that have, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.719 you know, such meager experience. So um, you know the 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.520 quarterback carasel at the top is going to be really 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.120 interesting and shape out things play out. But yeah, again 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.200 from the Bears, Uh, okay, let's let's take a trade 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.880 offer from go to one to four and then hey, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.280 the Panthers are calling. They want to get up to four. Okay, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.440 let's trade back to nine. And meanwhile you're looking at 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.000 the Bears. They have Justin Fields as their quarterback. You're 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.559 going to next year with three first round picks, and 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.040 you know, Okay, if Justin Fields works out, great. If 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.079 he doesn't, well we've got three first round picks that 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:49.880 go up and get Caleb Williams if it won't. So 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.680 I think the Bears are in a perfect situation to 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.040 to do this. I was literally just I'm starting to 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.280 interrupt you. We were talking about it, but I was 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.720 just we were talking about how much no one else 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.640 what time about the Bears, but just how much the 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.120 Bears have to fix and how they how much they 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.440 have to build and just how like to me, I'm like, 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.880 how long do you you know, do that with Justin Fields, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.320 like until you start seeing improvements. So when you mentioned 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.400 something like that and not saying he's not a great 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.880 player and stuff, it's just like I don't want him 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.679 to be wasted with them in a rebuilding phase either 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.040 with the draft picks. So yeah, and because you figure, 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.720 you know, a year for now, you need to start 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.960 talking extension with Justin Field. Yeah, you're already there, right, 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.319 You're already there. So the chance to reset the quarterback 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:36.000 the rookie quarterback clock is a factor that I don't 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.840 think enough fans really understand. It's a factor in how 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.800 team to operate. Sure, especially if you if you need 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.200 that outside help, you need to go and spend money 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.679 and free agency and in order to win, or if 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.920 you don't have the draft capital, which the Bears could 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.000 acquire that draft capital by trading backwards. But it's not 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.800 something that's out of the question to maybe look at 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.920 resetting that rookie quarterback clock. Something to keep in mind 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.840 as we move forward. Now, let's take a look deeper 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.120 down into the draft class, because how could that sort 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.600 of domino effect affect the Cowboys Because if these quarterbacks 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.640 go early, We've always talked about it, at least over 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.480 the deck era. Get these quarterbacks up there. Let's take 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.880 as many quarterbacks. If we could take twenty five quarterbacks 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.880 in the first twenty six picks, that'd be awesome. Let's 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.720 get it done right, because you want the best players 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.480 that are non quarterbacks to slide down to you. If 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.760 there is let's say a Bears team that's able to 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.600 acquire two, maybe three first round picks, you've got a 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.560 couple teams already in front of the Cowboys that have 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.280 multiple first round picks. Does that hurt or does that 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.160 help their chances to maybe try and stack the board 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.280 a little bit in their favor to maybe get a 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.560 first round graded player that deep into the first Yeah, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.280 and you know, I think this is an interesting draft 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.520 because I don't I don't know how many first round 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.360 grades they're gonna have. Usually there's you know, between eighteen 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.280 and twenty two first round graded players. This year, I 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.600 don't maybe they might not have them anymore. Where do 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.480 you stand in terms of first round graded? Know, it's 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.800 I'm more a little fewer than that. I'm more closer 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:10.199 to fifteen, you know, like it's I don't in my 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.280 I mean, no, you're right now, you're right. I think 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.839 I think I'm about seven seventeen. No, that no, And 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.520 that's it's just it's not not a ton of blue trippers. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.520 You know in this draft where it's certain positions you 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.320 love the depth, you know, you tight end, pass rusher, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.959 running back, really good depth. But in terms of the 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.439 no doubt about it, this guy's gonna come in be 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.800 an impact starter for us. You know, it's hard to 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.439 find those true first round grades. But you know what, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.040 uh Tyler Smith was was he you know, he was 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.200 a blue strippers though, but the draft in first round 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.400 and uh, you do a redraft tomorrow and he goes 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.480 top ten. And they were confident in it too. They 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.959 were they had a first round grade on him. And right, right, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.120 right right, that's being confirmed. I mean that wasn't just 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.560 blowing smoke. They believed in Tyler Smith at twenty four 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.440 last year. Can they get lucky again a couple picks later. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.560 That's the biggest thing to your point, Dan, Like, I 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.600 what I could see there maybe being one tight end 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.440 taken in the first round. If that interest in a 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:14.360 good tight end class, I don't think I forgot That's 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.240 what I was about to say. Listen, hear me out. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.040 I actually started, even though I looked into a few more, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.440 and I was impressed with some of them. I really 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.120 liked that a lot of these guys are starting to 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.080 just have more of the receiver qualities. I think you're 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.320 starting to see a shift in so bad to a 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.400 fact that if a guy has drops as a tight end, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.280 we're like, oh, he's not that good, Like God, he's 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.040 a tight end like that you'll out. So the position 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.160 is starting to interest me more. But I looked at 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.560 Tucker Craft. Don't kay, those gentlemen, your favorite ten that 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.040 you've seen so far. I don't think Kay was brought 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.880 to my attention from from Utah. He's brought to my attention. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.200 I really started looking at I walked him last night, 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.160 I looked at him today. And when you're talking about 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.280 what do you want to tight end in this generation 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.640 of NFL, he's kind of that dude. He's kind of 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.880 that dude I have, sorry I have down the field. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.200 Threat has a good feel. A lot of tight end 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.800 to me is feel like how do I feel the defender? 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.880 How do I shift my weight or whatever the case? 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.920 Maybe angles And I think he has a good feel 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.720 for the game as well. And um, he's a former 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.120 basketball player. You see it in his strong hands and 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.640 how he really grabs the ball with his hands. Tight 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.760 Ends are supposed to be a QB friendly. This is 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.800 a guy you can throw. You can throw the ball 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.360 up to and be like he's down there somewhere like 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.120 I and I think that's helpful for any quarterback at 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.040 this point. But I just think his hands are so 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.680 strong and he can get some things done after the catch. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.200 Yak abilities seems to be important now and tight end 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.040 like what are what world are we in right now? 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.400 Like what are Jason Witten with some of these I'm 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.040 just being honest with some of these guys from maybe 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.360 ten years ago. Make like be a tight a standard 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.160 tight end right now. We ain't got linebacker. We'll get right, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.360 We'll get there. But yeah, that's he is my favorite 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.240 watch so far. There's other guys, but certainly understand that 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.240 he I think he might be the best pure ass 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.640 catcher in this draft. And receivers too. Wow, he is 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.760 that good as a as a just a pure pass catcher. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.480 His ability to isolate the football, go and get it 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.760 come down. And then to your point about the yak, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.080 he's very very efficient catch boom run like it's just 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.480 it's a fluid motion. You're you're not overthinking it. So yeah, 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.800 I totally get it. My my big thing with him 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.400 is just is he a tight end? You know he 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.320 is he a bit just a big slot because you 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.000 know what he weighs in at this week will be interesting. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.280 You know, you go back and look at tight ends 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.640 that are below two forty five. There's not many many 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.760 guys and he's at two forty six three two forty right, Well, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:40.520 we don't have a fit because he wasn't at the 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.840 Senior Bowl that's right, and so we don't have the 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.000 official measurements yet. Um in the spring, I think he 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.040 was two forty one, so you know he's now could 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.840 he put on five pounds, sure, and you know we'll 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.920 have to see how that plays out. But that's because 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.560 he's more of that that f tight end, that joker, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.600 the guy that's a high bread You want him in 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.000 the slot. But you know, I like, like Travis Kelsey's 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.240 two two hundred sixty pounds. Yeah, like people always say, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.399 oh I want Dallas Clark. Dallas Clark was two hundred 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.639 and sixty pounds. You know, like people need to remember 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.960 like this, he's still tight end size. Where a guy 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.480 that Kincaide and so, and that's maybe and that's not 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.120 a bad thing if he's just a big slide because 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.359 you can still be a very productive pro that way. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.120 But I think that's the most important thing with these 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.320 tight ends is they all offer something a little different. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.960 You know, Kincaide's a little bit different than Musgraves, who's 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.399 a little different than Mayor. And so depending on what 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.679 your offense wants, you're gonna look at these tight ends 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.919 a little differently. I have a question for both of you, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.800 how because I wasn't into the draft. I was into 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.200 the draft, but not as much. How much did Peyton 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.760 hinder shot way? I can get it to you because 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.280 give me two seconds, because I think people could could 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.520 have personally. I think some people would have said the 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.040 same thing about or similar things about him, because if 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.399 I'm not mistaken, Peyton only had like four drops his 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.240 whole career. He was that receiver at that receiver, but 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.320 he two fifty, have a really huge build two fifties 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.480 where he waited at the common well, Jake was six 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.720 four plus two fifty, so he was Jake has a 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.399 little bit more size and you could see that in 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.080 this game. But hendershot Um I thought that some of 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.480 the reason why he went undrafted was because of size 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.960 and blocking ability. So when you talk about Kincaid, I mean, 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.040 I think Payton is someone that is going to have 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.800 success in this league as he, you know, continues to develop. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.000 But that's the body type seems a little similar to me. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.080 I could be wrong, but I just was asking you guys. 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.159 The lightest tight end to get drafted last year was 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.560 Chick goes zim Oconquo from Maryland's two thirty eight and 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.240 he was six two. So you talk about a guy 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.120 who could maybe be a big slot, he was kind 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:47.919 of fitting that mold. He wasn't as good of a 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.320 pass catcher as these guys that were talking about with Kincaid, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:55.360 but well another Dalton, Dalton Schultz forty four at the combine, 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.720