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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome into another edition of The Draft Show presented

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Speaker 1: by Miller Lite. We are here from the Indianapolis, Indiana

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Speaker 1: Convention Center and the twenty twenty three NFL Combine alongside

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Speaker 1: Ayisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. As we now welcome in

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Speaker 1: our second guest in our second episode this week, we've

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Speaker 1: got Dame Brugler from the Athletic lead draft analyst over

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Speaker 1: with the Athletic and Dane Welcome back, sir. It's good

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Speaker 1: to see you in person. Yeah. Absolutely, it's not the

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Speaker 1: Combine until I get to sit tell with you guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, we broadcast the Draft Show here, so yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: this is uh, it's fun. It's a it's a busy week.

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Speaker 1: I mean we always learned so much this week, not

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Speaker 1: This is where a lot of the free agent deals

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Speaker 1: so you know, there's so much going on. It's just

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Speaker 1: sometimes you could feel overwhelming because you try to embrace

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Speaker 1: Is that really what the information has been flowing at you?

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Speaker 1: Like over these last couple of days. You need a

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Speaker 1: it's just for me. The idea of just being able

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Speaker 1: And you get to share a desk with Dame No

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Speaker 1: man about to be jealous. They've about to be jealous.

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Speaker 1: Now it's cool to meet the man and the myth

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Speaker 1: in person. It's already shown number three for you, so

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Speaker 1: that's pretty wild to think about too. Usually we have

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Speaker 1: dope just to talk to you, hear your perspective. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the line you gave to us before, he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little sneak peek at the beasts that's coming out

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic, which, of course is the best draft

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Speaker 1: that one in the Star magazine Draft Guy course. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know it's there's something at least to that where

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Speaker 1: there for some reason, these first round tight ends have

428
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Speaker 1: not I mean, okay, the last fifteen years, the tight

429
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Speaker 1: end drafted in the first round who has lived up

430
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Speaker 1: the most to his potential is maybe in Joku, maybe Hawkinson.

431
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's not really that impressive. Rooms

432
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Speaker 1: kind of falling into that with a different team. He's

433
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Speaker 1: kind of funny to get right. What round was dollars

434
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Speaker 1: Goddard taken in second second round now Barnacles. Yeah, but

435
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Speaker 1: also too, I feel like tight end is very similar

436
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Speaker 1: to what you said. Some people are going to look

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Speaker 1: at Musgrave and be like, hey, yeah, because of the

438
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Speaker 1: run blocking and all that stuff, but then a lot

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Speaker 1: of on a show here, just telling you right now

440
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Speaker 1: he's gonna put on a show. Yeah you think so

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Speaker 1: he is. I think he might be one of the

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Speaker 1: best athletes here, regardless of positions. Hater tidds And he's

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Speaker 1: had six five, two fifty five and he's gonna run

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Speaker 1: around like that, I tell you. Okay, he was a

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Speaker 1: four sport guy in high school. See if you can

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Speaker 1: name the four sports. Um, okay, football, football, basketball, because

447
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: he's a tight end. No, no, now this is gonna

448
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Speaker 1: get interesting. Baseball nope, Oh my gosh, water polo started

449
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Speaker 1: getting weird ultimate for his bee baseball Nope, no baseball, No, okay,

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Speaker 1: is a swimmer? No? Come on? Three more wild track, track,

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Speaker 1: the big put that one up there. Socer nope? Two

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Speaker 1: more tennis? What what sports are we talking about? Are

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Speaker 1: he wrestling? Is he wrestling wrestling? Okay? Producer Alex brought

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Speaker 1: that one out. That's a good question. What are the

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Speaker 1: other two? Uh so, okay, he prepped in Oregon. I

456
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Speaker 1: don't know if that helps or not. Lacrosse. Lacrosse? Okay, lacrosse,

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Speaker 1: but I thought that would be satire. No, the real sport,

458
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Speaker 1: but I didn't know there's not not every school offers lacrosse,

459
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Speaker 1: Like it's not just my first. West Coast is big

460
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Speaker 1: time lacrosse to the East Coast is a tough fourth

461
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Speaker 1: one is skiing. So no way that as I said,

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Speaker 1: the hips the bout, yep, exactly. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: he gets a lot of it from. I think you

464
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Speaker 1: can see it on the football field, So I do

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Speaker 1: think Musgrave is gonna put on a little bit of

466
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Speaker 1: a show here well. So my question to that, no,

467
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Speaker 1: you're okay, thank you for that. But I I feel

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Speaker 1: like the tight end position because like when we talk

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Speaker 1: about the second round being it's like it's a skill position,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's not like I feel like it does.

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Speaker 1: It takes a lot of skill, but I think people

472
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Speaker 1: feel like they can develop that skill as opposed to

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Speaker 1: you need to have it right away. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's why folks decide to you know, scouts and stuff,

475
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Speaker 1: they decide to go later in the later rounds. But

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Speaker 1: I believe it is becoming a skill position. I believe

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Speaker 1: that it's becoming and it's always been like the security blanket,

478
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Speaker 1: you gotta have a good tight end, But now it's like,

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Speaker 1: you're tight. We saw a tight end change the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl game. Like he's done it plenty of times. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like to see the impact that a

482
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Speaker 1: good tight end can have on the field as a

483
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Speaker 1: receiving threat. I mean, the Chiefs lost most of their

484
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Speaker 1: receiving threats and the guy still went off. So you

485
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: look at the three of the four teams that were

486
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Speaker 1: in the title games this year, Great Travis Kelsey, George Kittle,

487
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Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard, the top probably the top three outside of

488
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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. Sure in the league, right, make that argument? Yeah,

489
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: so yeah, tight end is legitimately in. And how many

490
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Speaker 1: of those tight ends were drafted first round? No? No,

491
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Speaker 1: absolutely zero. It's like, you know, taking the point that

492
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Speaker 1: point here. I think he was huge on Kyle Pitts

493
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, don't fully, and everybody was, Yeah,

494
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Speaker 1: I loved him. I'm not sure what's going on there,

495
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: but it needs to be free. It just needs to

496
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Speaker 1: be free, and he could be a player. I still

497
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Speaker 1: have hopeful of him. I do too, Yeah, but he'll

498
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Speaker 1: get there. It's you know, we talked about this a

499
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Speaker 1: lot with running backs, right about positional value in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and you know, is it okay to draft one in

501
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Speaker 1: the first round? Is okay to draft one here? Tight ends?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing. When you look at

503
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Speaker 1: the track record a tight ends drafted where they are,

504
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: you know you better off just waiting a little bit.

505
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: So it's it is. It comes down to strategy and

506
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: just every team's gonna look at it a little bit different. Yeah,

507
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch to see just where

508
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Speaker 1: these tight ends fall because there are some top heavy

509
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Speaker 1: tight ends. You mentioned Kinkaid out of Utah, Mayor out

510
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame is right up there as well. And

511
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Speaker 1: then you got Laporta from Iowa, Darnel Washington from Georgia.

512
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: As unique as they come. Yeah, Craft I really South

513
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Speaker 1: Dakota State. You can see his running back, his running

514
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Speaker 1: back background, and his vision and how he sees the

515
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Speaker 1: field as as a tight end. I mean when once

516
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Speaker 1: he once he squares and he looks at the field

517
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Speaker 1: and surveys like he's a problem because he can see different,

518
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, little crevices of where to where to cut,

519
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Speaker 1: and where to go. I'm excited to see where these

520
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Speaker 1: tight ends go because I'm intrigued by the position. Sure. Honestly,

521
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Speaker 1: I ran into tight Ends coach Linda Wells last night

522
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Speaker 1: and he wants to be on the show. So maybe

523
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Speaker 1: we'll have to try and pick his brain too and

524
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Speaker 1: see how that goes. He's like getting me on the show.

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Speaker 1: Something on Tucker Craft that you know, you'll you'll you'll

526
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Speaker 1: find in the draft guide. But so his phone was

527
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: blowing up in the off season. Alabama wanted him. A

528
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Speaker 1: lot of Power five teams wanted him. We're talking like

529
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Speaker 1: six figures, uh and il Yeah, and he decided to

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Speaker 1: stay put the South Dakota State. He decided won a

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Speaker 1: national championship. He did, then I think they would have

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Speaker 1: beat Iowa if he doesn't get hurt that he's an

533
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Speaker 1: opening game. Yeah, I think his impact was that great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then he was a close game. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I really think that they would have they would have

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Speaker 1: won that game. So I need to elevate Tucker Craft

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Speaker 1: out of South Dakota State over Sam Laporta from Iowa's

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Speaker 1: what you're telling, that's what I heard. I actually like Laporta. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I actually might. I think this J And I think

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Speaker 1: Tucker Craft is mouldiple. I think I feel like he

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Speaker 1: can do he can. He can run block pretty well,

542
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Speaker 1: but also he passes the ball well. I think he's

543
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Speaker 1: a good in between that. If he gets a little

544
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Speaker 1: bit more coaching and gets a little bit more fluid

545
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Speaker 1: in the position, he could be he could be a

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Speaker 1: player for sure. He's multiple in my opinion. Here you go,

547
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Speaker 1: keep your eyes on the tight ends because that's gonna

548
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Speaker 1: be a fun physician to watch. All Right, we gotta

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say his name on air because

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's something weird here, but uh, tell

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Speaker 1: me more about defensive end Felix on udca Uzama from

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Speaker 1: Kansas State. Correct, YEP, A late bloomer who you know,

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Speaker 1: really didn't have a ton of offers coming out of

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Speaker 1: high school in the Kansas City area and uh like

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Speaker 1: he was gonna go to North Dakota State at one

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Speaker 1: point and Kanda State came into mix really late, and

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Speaker 1: you know he red shirted. He was a young player

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Speaker 1: and he just really blew up. I I like him

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Speaker 1: a lot. He's really productive. I from my pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: I want a little bit more at the top of

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Speaker 1: the rush in terms of just being a little more

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Speaker 1: most of them getting around the corner. But how do

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Speaker 1: you argue with his production? You know, he's he's a

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Speaker 1: guy that just um and he's really smart, Like he's

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that sets up his rush. He studies

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Speaker 1: his opponent. He knows the blocker he's going up against.

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Speaker 1: He knows how to set a trap. He knows, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this tackle. You know, he's setting hard on his outside foot,

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Speaker 1: outside foot, so he's gonna push up, push up, push up,

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Speaker 1: and then go with the inside move. I mean he understands.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of pass rushers they're just gonna

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Speaker 1: go throw this kitchen sink at him whatever. But this

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Speaker 1: is the type of pass rusher that understands the type

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Speaker 1: of blockers he's going up against and then how to

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Speaker 1: use that against them. So that even though I'm not

637
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: like super high on him, like he's on a top

638
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: fifty guy for me, but I really like him in

639
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: that day two range, and I think He's gonna have

640
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: a long NFL career because of how intelligent and cerebral

641
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: he is at attacking the quarterback. What did you see, Ayesha?

642
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I have not gotten to him yet. You haven't know,

643
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not about to sit up here and talk

644
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: to him like I have. That's like, that's fine, That's

645
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: why Dane's here, That's why we gotta get literally, yes,

646
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: have you seen Mozzi Smith? Yes, from from Michigan defensive lineman.

647
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to hear from him today.

648
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: He got caught up in medicals and he never actually

649
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: made it to the to the media side of things. Uh.

650
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: I've heard some background interest from the Cowboys side of

651
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: things because he's one of the best run stuffers in

652
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: the draft, or at least that's his calling card coming

653
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: out of college. Have you seen what have you seen

654
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: from him that would impress you? And is he an

655
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: option at twenty six? So? I mean yeah, like we

656
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: were talking about, it depends on what you're looking for

657
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: because a lot of these dts or d lineman. I

658
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: feel like with the Cowboys, they've gone for guys who

659
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: can rush the passer, but then they're going to stop

660
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: the run. On the way to the passer. This guy

661
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: right here is a run stopper. Do I think he

662
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: could add, you know, some some pass rush stuff to

663
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: his arsenal. Absolutely. I wanted to ask him to day

664
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: that today to see if that was something he's working on.

665
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: But he is such a willing run stopper. You see

666
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: him at the bottom of piles all the time. He

667
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: is not afraid to get in there and get and

668
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: get dirty. But also too, I like how he disengages.

669
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: I like how he gets guys hands off of him.

670
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: And I was looking at him the battle between him

671
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: and Steve a Villa, a Villa from TCU, we talked

672
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: about it. I wanted to ask him. I felt like

673
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: that was his hardest battle and he, I mean a

674
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: Villa took him. They went at it and it was

675
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: one of the best. To me, it was one of

676
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: the best matchups I've watched, just man on man, power

677
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: on power, and also technique on technique because to get

678
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: off of the blocks the way that Mozzi does, I'm

679
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: curious to see how well he two gaps. If he

680
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: does decide to two gaps. I feel like that's something

681
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: in the league now that some guys can do when

682
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: some guys can't. I talk to Hankins about that in

683
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: the locker room, and he was just saying that it's

684
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: it's you you think more. You have to think more

685
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: when you're two gapping, and if you make the mistake,

686
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: if you're taking yes, yes, yeah, And so for him,

687
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you want a guy to come

688
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: in and eat up double teams and and two gap

689
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: and possibly two gap later on, I think this is

690
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: a guy you can bring in and immediately see a

691
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: difference just from the middle of your defense, and he

692
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna get bigger, He's gonna get a couple of sandwiches

693
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: in him. Dude, Like he's already, Dude, he's gonna um. Yeah.

694
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't watch you can't watch Steve a.

695
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: Villa and and not see this battle. Like you have

696
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: to look at that battle. It was a real serious

697
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: technical like towards the later the later quarters, like Okay,

698
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: you're starting to know what I'm doing. I know what

699
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: you're doing. It's just power. So he has one tech,

700
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: three tech versatility, right, he can play anywhere in the interior.

701
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: He was strictly a nose for for Michigan. He was

702
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna you know, the tilted nose where

703
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna take on a lot of doubles.

704
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: And that's why his productor you look at his production,

705
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: it's not gonna impress you. Yeah, they get a grand

706
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: total of six tackles for lost in his career, maybe

707
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: a half sack, that's it. But when you look at

708
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: what he was asked to do, um, I mean he

709
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: was more than fine occupying that role. Um. You know,

710
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: he's he was number one Bruce Feldman's Freaks List. This

711
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: guy is a just a power, powerful, powerful guy. Talking

712
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: to Mike Morris about him the Michigan defensive end, he

713
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: just he's like, you guys don't see what I see

714
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: in the in the weight room, in the locker room.

715
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: The way this guy works, we call him the gorilla.

716
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Like he's just unbelievable, uh strength, like it just comes

717
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: from all these weird places in his body. Um. So yeah,

718
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy that's unselfish doing the dirty work inside.

719
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: But I do I do think there could be a

720
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: little bit more in terms of getting upfield, of attacking

721
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: gaps and so yeah, Mozzi Smith, I'll be I'll be

722
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: shocked if he last out. If he falls out of

723
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: the top forty, it's more of a question, Okay, does

724
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: he get into that first round or not. So in

725
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: that part pretty much comes down to teams in their

726
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: belief how much you know the pass rush potential? What

727
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah? Would you take him in the first round?

728
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: Would he would he? If he's one of those guys, yes,

729
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: Like we just it depends on what you are looking for,

730
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: because some of these dts, like I feel like moving forward,

731
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: some teams are looking for some pass rush ability from them,

732
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: So I really think that could maybe be a knock

733
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: on him, quote unquote. But if you just want if

734
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: you just want a guy to come in, I mean,

735
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: like we talked about it, feel like the Cowboys for

736
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time saw what a

737
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: true nose can do for your whole defensive line, how

738
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: it frees up your linebackers, how it frees up And

739
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: obviously Hankins is not a gentleman that you I don't know,

740
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: if you're gonna you plan on keeping for an extended

741
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: period of time. I would love a gentleman like this

742
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: to come in to man the middle of this defense

743
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: and the kind of slow down the run up. So

744
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: the name I wrote down was Brandon Mebane and you know,

745
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: he maybe that's not a sexy name, but the importance

746
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: that he had to those Seattle defenses up front, like

747
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: that's you know again, he doesn't he's not talked about

748
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: it a lot because he's not gonna light up the

749
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: stat sheet, but he was so important to what Seattle

750
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: did and a lot of the you know, winning seasons

751
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: they had, So you know, if you can and then

752
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: you get into the conversation, Okay, is the price right

753
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: in terms of the value of a first round pick,

754
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: and but I think that's what you're looking for in

755
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: your defensive line. Yeah, I mean you can absolutely, uh

756
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: you make a case that he belongs there in the

757
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: first round. Interesting to keep an eye on. I, like

758
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: I said, I've heard interest, I really have from the

759
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys side of things because of his run stuffing ability.

760
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: And it sounds that everything that you're telling me right now,

761
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know a ton about the background of

762
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: the player, but all the background you're giving me at

763
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: the moment, it feels like a Cowboys side it sort

764
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: of pick this the type of guy that that Will

765
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: McClay is going to to kind of rally around and

766
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: put into his locker room and keep an eye on

767
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: Mosley Smith moving forward. All right, Well, a combine, a

768
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: good combine for Detroy or Datavian wis Datavian Wicks with

769
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: that give him a three to five round possibility for

770
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys if he has a really good combine. He

771
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: is he's tough because you watch his twenty twenty one

772
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: tap and you're like, Okay, this guy is big. He's

773
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: talented wide receiver from Virginia by the way, yes I

774
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: don't say that, but then you watch this twenty twenty

775
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: two film and it's it's a disaster and it really

776
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: just the entire Virginia offense was below average. It was

777
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: tough to watch. But Wicks really struggled this year. But

778
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: I you see the talent with him, and so he's

779
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: one of those guys that I it will probably take

780
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: me the entire process to get a good read on

781
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: him where I feel comfortable, Okay, this is what he

782
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: is what will be at the NFL level, because it

783
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: was just so night and day different junior year to

784
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: senior year. So the drops are frustrating with him. But

785
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: he's a big athlete who can make plays down the field.

786
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, right now I've got him

787
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: in that fourth fifth range. Could he get in the

788
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: top one hundred? Sure, I think it's certainly possible because again,

789
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: he's big, he's athletic. I think he'll do a nice

790
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: job here at the Columbine. And want to see him

791
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: in the gauntlet. You know, like we talked so much

792
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: about the forty and you know, the three Cohen things

793
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: like that, But the position drills, the position specific drills, um,

794
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: that's a big part of this too. You know, for

795
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, I want to see him run the hoop.

796
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: For wide receivers, I want to see hi run the

797
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: gauntlet where you know you're gonna see their focus, You're

798
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna be able to see uh, you know, their ability

799
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: to stay straight and balance on that that white line,

800
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: how quickly they pluck put it away, keep going, uh,

801
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: how quickly a pick up the football. So yeah, that's

802
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: that's a big thing for Wicks is to see how

803
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: he does the gauntlet this week. Why do you think

804
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: that is? Why do you think because he's not the

805
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: only player I think a lot of people said can

806
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: say the same about I mean, I person can say

807
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: the same about even Will Anderson as a comparion in

808
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: comparison to last year. Why do you think that is?

809
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: I've heard different reasons. Are different reasons as to I know,

810
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: my draft stock is here, or a team's figuring out

811
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of what you like to do, your tendencies? What

812
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: do you what do you kind of attribute Wicks kind

813
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: of his his m his tape this season in comparison

814
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: to last season. That's you know, that's that's the job

815
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: of the scout, right, you have to be a private detective.

816
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: You have to figure yet. Okay, let's let's dive in.

817
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: Look at okay, coaching, change, injury, new quarterback. You know

818
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: you have to take all these factors and figure it out.

819
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: It really is like you're a you're a detective. You

820
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: have to take the evidence and come up with the conclusion.

821
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: And you know that's that's why, you know, scouts have

822
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: to be fortune tellers, they have to be psychologists, they

823
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: have to be detectives. They have to be all these

824
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: where all these different hats, and a guy like Wicks

825
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: is a good example of how you really have to

826
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: be a detective. Um not so much the person, but

827
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: the player to figure out Okay, what is the big difference?

828
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: And with him, yes, new coach, new offense, but same quarterback. Um,

829
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, so you know what and that's why he's

830
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: a little frustrating is because of you know, he still

831
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: saw plenty of targets. He should shouldn't have struggled as

832
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: much as he did. But um, you know, definitely want

833
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: to do more work on him. But I think he's

834
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: in the mid round discussion. That's interesting to keep an

835
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: eye on because that's one of those under the radar guys, right,

836
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: that's an under the radar guy who could merge. I

837
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: think you were talking about guys who had a drop

838
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: off in tape. I think Kashan bout Booty. It is Bote.

839
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: I think he's in that same conversation, but it was

840
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: two years ago. So it's twenty twenty where he really

841
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: broke out, or twenty one where he broke out and

842
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: then worked into twenty one and twenty two the way

843
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: that he did. So interesting case in both of those scenarios,

844
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: keeping with wide receivers and you could maybe we can

845
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: broaden this out to any position. Chris Olave surprised everybody

846
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: last year with a really impressive forty time. Is there

847
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: someone who could surprise us again this year? It's a

848
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: good question from Brady. Did he surprise us? I mean,

849
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I think we thought it would be fast, going to

850
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: be fast? Yeah, Joe Brady's surprised. Okay, Brady, Sorry, Brady.

851
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that could surprise us? Who are some

852
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: of the fastest forty times that we can anticipate? Let's

853
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: go through that. Well. I'll give you a guy who

854
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: could surprise UM, Cedric Tillman, Tennessee. Okay, the quote unquote

855
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: other Tennessee wide receiver, UM Jalen Hyatt is gonna blaze.

856
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: But Cedric Tillman, the other Tennessee wide receiver. I'll tell

857
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: you what. This guy is an NFL starter and at

858
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: six three, two hundred and fifteen pounds, would not be

859
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: surprised at all if he runs a sub four four

860
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: five in the forty. He can move and he's a

861
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: little linear, you know, like we'll find out about the

862
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: short shuttle and three cone, but the jumps and the

863
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: forty I think are gonna be really impressive with Cedric Tilman.

864
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm I think four under four four five or under

865
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: and above forty inches in the vertical. It's very, very

866
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: possible for for Cedric Tillman. So, um, you know, I

867
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: think he's a guy to keep in my top one hundred.

868
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: He was like seventy or something like that. He I

869
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: went back and watched a little bit more of him.

870
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: He needs to be higher. I think he's. I think

871
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: he's the top sixty guy. You know he's you plug

872
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: him in Courtland Sutton. Um, you know, a faster version

873
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: of Nico Collins like he's he's because he's a big body.

874
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: He can win above the rim. But he's got speed

875
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: as well. So I think Cedric's Tillman could turn some

876
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: heads this week. All right, can I say a running back? Absolutely? Okay,

877
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: I was trying to say, you know, I was trying

878
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: to make sure I had his name right. Pittsburgh running

879
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: back Israel. Uh there, I'm a conda. I think he

880
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: people know he has burnt don't have no. I love it.

881
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: I know he has like he has on field, like

882
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: his his separation speed is so serious breakaway speed. Rather,

883
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: it's sane. I think the dude is. And he also

884
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: runs on his toes. I noticed that about him. He

885
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: runs on his toes, which is a track thing. It's

886
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: he's a track guy in high SCHOOLM I might know,

887
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I might, I might have been reading on. But yeah,

888
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: this this guy right here, he's he breaks a lot

889
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: of tackles. He's insane in the open field. I think

890
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna blaze that forty. Also, four three is possible

891
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: for him. I agree, he's gonna he's gonna turn some heads.

892
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: And he also to me, he's one of those, like

893
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about, one of those guys that might

894
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: be the I don't know, maybe fourth, fourth round, maybe

895
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: fifth round running back. But if he runs that forty

896
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: the way that I think he is, because we already

897
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: know there's a difference between on the field speed and

898
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: then the forty speed, if he puts it together, some

899
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: people are gonna be wondering. And his amen I like.

900
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, so I like saying his

901
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: name abandoned conduct. He's a perfect example of why you

902
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: know you don't necessarily need to go draft and running

903
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: back in the first round because oh lord, here you

904
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: go the depth, second, third, fourth round. I mean, you

905
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: can get that guy in the early fourth, maybe late third.

906
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's My only issue with him

907
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: is the contact balance. Yeah, he's Yeah, he's not. He's

908
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: not in every down back. He's not a guy that's

909
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna run through people. He is going to break tackles

910
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: because of angles. He I think he understands angles well.

911
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: And I also think he understands when to accelerate at

912
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: the right time when he hits the hole. There's he has.

913
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: I think he has just enough suddenness and shiftiness to

914
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: kind of balance out the fact that he does not

915
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of size. Yeah, some pop will

916
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: destroy pursuit angles with the way he can gear change

917
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: and then yeah, like you like you're saying that that's suddenness.

918
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: I agree, um, but but no, it's the holes won't

919
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: be as profound in the NFL to be able to

920
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: do that. So you know it's like, Okay, full time

921
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: back probably not, but a guy that could come in

922
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: and be a really productive part of your offense, Yes,

923
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: he can definitely be that. So like potentially on a

924
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: team that like franchise tagged running back in the off season,

925
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: that with it. I mean, I don't know, ye might

926
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: like to use running back and you maybe use him

927
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: out of the backfield and maybe block sometimes. Yeah, No,

928
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: that's I like his hands too. I think he has

929
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: like he has strong hands. For you know the times

930
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: that he did get to try to show his receiving qualities.

931
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: It looked natural to him. It didn't look like, oh,

932
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm running back and I'm just now learning how to

933
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: catch the ball. It was like, I'm catching the ball

934
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: in motion as I'm in and I think that's a

935
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: running back. It's important. It seems to be more and

936
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: more important these days when you're talking about running back.

937
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: There's a Cowboys player Israel MCQUAMU. Why not just have

938
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: Israel Abanaconda. I mean, why not, Let's just let's just

939
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,080
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940
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: the real Abaniconda out of pit and Devin A Chain

941
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: out of Texas A and M Two running backs? Which

942
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: one's gonna run a faster forty this week? Which one

943
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: you take a jeans might pick for the fastest anybody?

944
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: I think he's my favorite. I'm gonna I mean, I'll

945
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Speaker 1: go with a chain there. I mean, he's just he's

946
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: got that scary speed um and you see it on

947
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: the field. I mean, obviously he ran track for a

948
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: in him. Uh went in March he ran a twenty

949
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: point twenty in the two hundred meters and it put

950
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: that into perspective. Medal in the SEC Championships well, to

951
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: qualify for the Olympics, you have to be at least

952
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: you have to be under twenty point two four, and

953
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: he was twenty point two zero, So wow, I mean

954
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: he just scary specks. So this is a football player first,

955
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: track athlete second. But I am interested to see where

956
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: does he way in it. He's listening at one eighty

957
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: five and you know that's not many running backs or

958
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: sub one ninety in the NFL doing big things. So um,

959
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: but you get to factor in. As soon as he

960
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: was done with football, he joined the track team, so

961
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: it's not like he really focused on adding weighty probably

962
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Speaker 1: lean right exactly so, but preparing for the combine, preparing

963
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,640
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964
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966
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Speaker 1: me more. I asked this question to Bucky in the

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Speaker 1: first part of this. Okay, since the last time we talked,

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Speaker 1: who's been your favorite film study? Who's been your go

1029
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: to guy to watch it? Somebody that maybe you didn't

1030
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: watch a ton of early Maybe you went back. You

1031
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: mentioned Tillman Wide Receiver from Tennessee a little bit ago one.

1032
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: Is there somebody else that's like that that when you

1033
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: went back and watched him it really stuck out. Oh

1034
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Um, yeah, Cedric Tillman would be

1035
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: one of them. I don't think I was high enough

1036
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: on him. Um. I liked him quite a bit. And

1037
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: he's a guy that wasn't at the Senior Bowl, so um,

1038
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was a little out of sight,

1039
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: out of mind. But yeah, you know, almost have to

1040
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: go back to his twenty twenty one stuff to really

1041
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: appreciate how good he was. Um, let me, I'm looking

1042
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: through my list right now. I mean, Lucas van ness I,

1043
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: I think it is really really good. Okay, he's and

1044
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna blow it up here. He's two

1045
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: seventy five and he's gonna run the four fives um

1046
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: out of Iowa out of Iowa. Yes, uh, hockey player

1047
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: growing up. You know, that's where he got that physical uh,

1048
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: that agility, but also that physical uh natured that he

1049
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: plays with. It's fascinating. A guy with zero career starts

1050
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: in college is gonna be a top twelve pick. But

1051
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: I do think Lucas Vaness uh could end up going

1052
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: that high, So you know he's in that mix. Um. Oh,

1053
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: how about a guy we talked about earlier, Ivan Pace.

1054
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just uh, I don't know how you

1055
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Speaker 1: can watch his film and just not appreciate just how

1056
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: hard he plays. Um he is. He's just gonna try

1057
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: and run through you, you know, and it's he'll learn

1058
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL he can't always do that. But um,

1059
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: I want that energy on my field, on my team. UM,

1060
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: and I want that. If he told me he moonlighted

1061
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: as a m M A fighter, would not be surprised

1062
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: at all, Like that's that's that's how he plays. And

1063
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: so um, you know, I think he's a guy that

1064
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: you just appreciate more and more. And Okay, well, how's

1065
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: he fit on your NFL team? I'm not quite sure yet, Like,

1066
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: is he you know, can he cover, okay, play special

1067
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: teams like there's there are questions that need to be answered.

1068
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Oh I know. Is he's just a darn good football player.

1069
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: And so the more you more you watch him, the

1070
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: more you appreciate him. And it's like, man, I just

1071
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: I want to find it. I wait to get this

1072
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: on my team. To your point, I was at his

1073
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: interview and he talked about wrestling. He wrestled for thirteen years,

1074
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: and he said he's played he wrestled as long as

1075
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: he played football. And he said, if you're if you're

1076
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: playing linebacker like you need to be, you need to

1077
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: wrestle sometimes absolutely, and and that's actually what I have

1078
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: hard to get your hands on him. He diagnoses really

1079
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: well like you were talking about, and he just like

1080
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: you said, he is one of those guys that you

1081
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: have to really in your mind kind of throw out

1082
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we're supposed to know about linebacker

1083
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: and just enjoy watching this player play football at a

1084
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: high level. Like it is like that with him. So

1085
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: it was dope hearing him talking. He's not he does

1086
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: not care about his size at no. No, he is

1087
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: not thrown out and as someone that's five one definitely.

1088
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: I felt that, like when he said when he said today,

1089
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't I don't care about you know,

1090
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't really care about how Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's me.

1091
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: We agree, But no, like he's he's been one of

1092
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: my guys, Like, all right, so I've been looking at

1093
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, because I've been looking at guard, you know,

1094
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: trying to This guy's actually a left tackle. Anton Harrison

1095
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma. Yeah, okay, got to see him. I watched

1096
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: him play some of the left guard that he played,

1097
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: and it was pretty pretty good. I thought. I thought

1098
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: his past his pass pro is what's really impressive. His

1099
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: feet just keep moving, he doesn't stop, and his I

1100
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: think his punch or his arms are good enough to

1101
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: where he's like he can keep you off of him

1102
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: or just keep that just enough spacing to where he's

1103
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: almost like a nuisance to me in pass pro, where

1104
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: if you're a d N, you're probably annoyed by the

1105
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: fact that you you can't get to him, and also too,

1106
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: I believe one dang it, I believe I actually think

1107
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I saved it. There were one one of the dns

1108
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: today spoke about him and talked about how he was

1109
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: one of the Felix. Felix, Yeah. He said that he

1110
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: was the toughest, the toughest offensive tackle that he faced

1111
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: in college. He said he has he has quick feet,

1112
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: aggressive hands, and he was like, he's the best tackle

1113
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: in this class in mind opinion. Wow, which is really

1114
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: high praise from a guy we just talked about g

1115
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: n wise that is through the roof. I I just

1116
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: I also too, I watched him against KeAndre Colburn from Texas,

1117
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: who's someone that I mentioned on the Draft show, and

1118
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: KeAndre got him that first couple plays at the game

1119
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: and it was crickets. After that, it was real quiet

1120
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: from KeAndre for the remessag. He's actually one of those

1121
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: guys too that once he figures it out, he figures

1122
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: it out. And he's young, he's very he just turned

1123
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: twenty one years old like last week. So smart. He

1124
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: even has the ability, like we don't see it that

1125
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: much in a lot of offensive linemen until later in

1126
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: their career, but the ability to have the awareness to disengage,

1127
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: help out their buddy and get back on their their play.

1128
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: It's something that even I think Tyler Smith had to

1129
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: learn and get better at this season. He does this

1130
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: well already, so I was just seeing a little bit

1131
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: of the flex he had to step in that guard

1132
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: this year, well in twenty twenty two for a few games,

1133
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: and I thought he played more than well enough there

1134
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: that if you did design to maybe man he gets

1135
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: some coaching, this guy might be a player at guard

1136
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: as well, even though he's left. What do you have.

1137
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he was like number sixty on my top

1138
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: one hundred. So yeah, i'll tell you what we've seen

1139
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: Worset tackles go in the first round. So if Anton

1140
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: Harrison ends him going in first round, that shouldn't surprise anybody.

1141
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: That's just a value to the tackle position, right, sure, absolutely,

1142
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: And so I mean he's Anton Harrison's a good player

1143
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: who um would not be surprised at all if he

1144
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: ends up going top forty, top thirty, because you know,

1145
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: the a lot of what you said, the light feet,

1146
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: the h the fact that he just heard twenty one.

1147
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: You're his entire rookie year. He's be twenty one years

1148
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: old and he's still learning, and you feel not just

1149
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: who he is now, but what he's going to grow into. Yeah,

1150
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 1: it's pretty exciting. Natural Cowboys valued that with Tyler Smith

1151
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: in his youth coming out of college. And even though

1152
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: he had experience, which Harrison does as well, you have

1153
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: that youth to kind of combine the two with it.

1154
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: That's something to keep in mind as well. Tell me

1155
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: more about Keyon White ed Rusher out of Georgia. Fascinating background. Um,

1156
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: and you talk about a guy who Okay, his junior

1157
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: year in high school, he was a two hundred and

1158
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: five pounds center. Okay, wow, no buzz on this guy

1159
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: as a recruit. Was this like a two way school

1160
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: or was it like a legitimate Yeah, he just his

1161
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: barn Or high school and Garner, not North Carolina. His

1162
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: body hadn't developed, you know, like that type of thing.

1163
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: And then he moves to tight end and defensive end

1164
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: as a senior and no offers until like right before

1165
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: signing day and Old Dominion gives him a shot. Okay,

1166
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: So he goes Old Dominion. He's a tight end, he's

1167
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: a blocking tight end. He's got like eleven catches. And

1168
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: then they say, let's try to move you to d End.

1169
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: Moved to d End, Okay, and then COVID happens, and

1170
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: so he has the Old Dominion cancels their season. He's like,

1171
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: I want to play so he transfers to Georgia Tech,

1172
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: and then before the twenty twenty one season playing basketball

1173
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: just dislocates his ankle, so he's out basically all of

1174
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Came back, but he wasn't one hundred percent.

1175
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: So really this year is like the most we've been

1176
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: able to see him healthy and at defensive end. And

1177
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: he's a freaky athlete. Yeah, but six year six year seniors,

1178
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: so he's pen in college a lot older guy, but

1179
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: he's another guy that's going to test really well here.

1180
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: He moves really cleanly, he's got power to him. He's

1181
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 1: two eighty five, but he moves better than some guys

1182
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: that are two hundred and fifty five pounds. Yeah. I

1183
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I wrote down about him

1184
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: was we don't know, like it could be really he

1185
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: could be really great sure, or injuries might be a

1186
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: thing because like you said that, they have attacked him

1187
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: really this last couple of Yes. But to your point, Dan,

1188
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: he is such a presence on the field you can

1189
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: I've obviously I've never been on the field with him,

1190
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: but I feel like you could probably feel him and

1191
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: the speed to powers there. I feel like the hand

1192
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: tech could get a little bit better. But at the

1193
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: same time, I think he disengages pretty well as well.

1194
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: I was impressed with him. I'm just a little on

1195
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: the fence with the nature of especially when you start

1196
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: talking about ankles and stuff like that with a guy

1197
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: that you mean as a as a d and you

1198
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: need to be able to do all those things. And

1199
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: he Um, he's really smart, he really he wants again

1200
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: a real estate like he's he's he's he's very business focused. Um,

1201
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: he was an interesting guy to talk to. Um. But

1202
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: you know he's again, he's an older guy. So what's

1203
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: the value of a player like that? Could he go

1204
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: first round? With his traits and the way he's going

1205
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: to test? Absolutely, I think he could end up going

1206
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: first round. I think he was number forty for me

1207
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: in my top one hundred, So just outside um the

1208
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: first round, early to mid second round is where I

1209
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: have him. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone jumps

1210
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: on just the pure talent that he offers. Yeah, if

1211
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: he ends up sliding into the early parts of that

1212
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: first round, it would be a tough conversation or early

1213
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: parts of the second round, it'd be a tough conversation

1214
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to try and pick him up, because

1215
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: at twenty six it might be too rich, at fifty

1216
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: eight it might be too soft. You know, you never

1217
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: really know with a prosect like that. Again, with that ability,

1218
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, I can I can get it. He's he's uh,

1219
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: he just turned twenty four years old, and so you know,

1220
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: how does that factor in? I think when you look

1221
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: at his journey, we just laid it out, he's, you know,

1222
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: really late to the position. So he's he's got upside.

1223
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: Most twenty four year olds don't have upside. This guy does. Yeah,

1224
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: so you gotta have a good coaching staff. All right,

1225
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: who are you most excited to watch going into the

1226
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: drills tomorrow? We will have one more show before the

1227
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: drills happened. We'll talk a little bit more about what

1228
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: could maybe come of that in tomorrow night's coverage. But

1229
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: who were you looking forward to seeing? The must For me,

1230
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: it's gotta be Will Anderson. You know, I think, do

1231
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: you post the numbers of a potential top five pick?

1232
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the tape check that box, you

1233
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: know you see it on the tape. The stats, even

1234
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: though his junior stats weren't as good as a sophomore.

1235
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: Stats still check that box. He was outstanding in terms

1236
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: of production. What does his ten yard look like? You know,

1237
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: ten yards split? What's the three cone look like? You know,

1238
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: just the how does he run the hoop in the

1239
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: position drills? I want to see him look like a

1240
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: top three pick, top five pick, because everything else about

1241
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: Will Anderson says he is um. So I just want

1242
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: to see it on the field, just to kind of

1243
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: because again, that's what the combine is. It's it's cross

1244
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: checking exercise, making sure that you're verifying what you saw

1245
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 1: on tape and what you see in the stat sheet.

1246
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: It's verified here. I just want to see Will Anderson

1247
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: be able to do that. I got can I say too? Yes,

1248
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: of course, so Dwan Jones, Yeah, Ohio State is one

1249
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: of the gentlemen I'm really looking at because we only

1250
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: saw him for one day at the Senior Bowl. He

1251
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: came in there. He showed his feet look far improved

1252
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: from what I saw to him at the Senior Bowl.

1253
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: At a few drills that we saw him doing prior

1254
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: to that. True, true that I saw him struggle with

1255
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: the speedy edge rushers and he put he puts him

1256
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: in a seatbelt in the Senior Bowl. So I want

1257
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: to see how he chat man. Yeah, and I think

1258
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: he could change. I think the conversation between about him

1259
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: and Osiris could could change with this, with how they

1260
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: grade out, how they test here. Wow, um, so those

1261
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: are my that's those those gentlemen there. And then also

1262
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: to Will McDonald, is a guy that you know already

1263
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: like Iowa State at another multiple sport athlete, skateboards, martial artists,

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, credible balance. I want to he strikes

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Speaker 1: me as another athlete, like just a crazy athlete. I

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Speaker 1: want to see how he tests. I think he could

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Speaker 1: help his stock because I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: were worried about his size and the run game stopping

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Speaker 1: very lean. But if he tests well, I think it

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Speaker 1: could change the conversation a little bit for him as far. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna test well because that's that's

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Speaker 1: what he is. He is an athlete. So even though

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Speaker 1: because I do have questions about, yeah, his ability versus

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Speaker 1: to run and for a fifth year senior who's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a twenty four year old rookie, I wish he

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Speaker 1: was a little more advanced, you know, for where he

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Speaker 1: is I still feel he's like a little raw in

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Speaker 1: terms of his set up with his Russian moves and

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Speaker 1: things like that, but there is no question about his athleticism. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he should tear it up here. I don't, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna be blasphemous. I'm not gonna say that. But

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Speaker 1: as far as the rawness, the athleticism and stuff, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, we've seen a guy like that

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Speaker 1: and he got some coaching and he's better. Who's that

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Speaker 1: number eleven, Michael Park? But I'm just but with with

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Speaker 1: d ND right now. To me, I'm looking for I've

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Speaker 1: been telling you pursuit and athleticism so important to me

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Speaker 1: because of how much the RPO was involved in this game,

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Speaker 1: run action, that stuff. The guys that aren't that athletic

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: at end are struggling show up there. It's like, it's sorry,

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Speaker 1: please don't give me tank DeMarcus Lawrence, Fantastic is stopping

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Speaker 1: the run. Fantastic is stopping the run. But when he

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Speaker 1: got put on on an island a couple of times

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Speaker 1: this year, there were some struggling. I think we've seen

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Speaker 1: that with other players too, So I'm I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the pursuit and how much of an athlete you are,

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Speaker 1: because I think the rest you can kind of coach,

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01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: but the pursuit really is important to me in this

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Speaker 1: in this league, in the way that it's being played

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Speaker 1: right now. Oh that's that's well said. Um. One other

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Speaker 1: guy I would want to mention Zach Harrison, who we

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Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to se get the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But what's cool Ohio State. Uh, this guy is going

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01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: to test big time and he is two sixty five

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Speaker 1: and I'll put the over under on this forty at

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Speaker 1: four five three. That wow, Yeah, he's got that thing.

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Speaker 1: So I want to see. Um, I want to see

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Speaker 1: because he's he was in high school he was a

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Speaker 1: sub eleven second one hundred meter guy. Um, he's got

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Speaker 1: big time speed. He's really long too. He should have

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Speaker 1: over thirty six in charms. Um. So, Zach Harrison. If

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a linear rusher with speed and length,

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Speaker 1: Harrison's your guy. This is a big human two seventy.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be rolling two sixty two seventy probably you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't get in his wife fun stuff. This is what

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Speaker 1: we look forward to in the combine is chopping in

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Speaker 1: up like that and we're gonna do that a little

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Speaker 1: bit more tomorrow with Dan Brugler from the Athletic Dane.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for hopping on and thanks for the

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Speaker 1: inviting to talk to you again tomorrow. This is this

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Speaker 1: is what I come here for. This is what the

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Speaker 1: excitement is. Let's go, let's go have some fun, Let's

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Speaker 1: bring back a ton of information and then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: bring it to the fans tomorrow with more of the

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Special thanks to our friends over at Miller Life,

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Speaker 1: saying so long. We'll see tomorrow with more of the

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