Speaker 1: I don't think my wife has ever initiated sex in
Speaker 1: the last seven years.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Well, I brought it upshaw Tosh Live from Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: musical guest Dylan Stern, and your host Daniel Tosh. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Tosh Show. Oh, I'm so nervous to be here.
Speaker 1: That's all I've got. How you doing, Eddie?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: How are you? Man? I am doing swell Eddie. You
Speaker 1: know we don't ever do what's that I would say?
Speaker 1: We've never done it. Okay, in our entire friendship, we've
Speaker 1: never said I love you. I say it all the time.
Speaker 1: You've never said it to me. I think I might
Speaker 1: have said it to be funny once. No, you've never
Speaker 1: said it. Well, I do love you? You do? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I love you?
Speaker 1: Ah, I knew you did you bussy. Here's where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this. I'm not gonna say it to you
Speaker 1: because that's fucking stupid. My wife says I love you
Speaker 1: to everyone. She's made it completely meaningless, like literally, we
Speaker 1: made such a big deal about it the first time
Speaker 1: that we said I love you to each other after
Speaker 1: a year of dating. But like when I just listen
Speaker 1: to her. Every phone conversation with her friends ends with
Speaker 1: I love you. Every conversation with any member of her
Speaker 1: family or my family ends with I love you. But
Speaker 1: she's not saying it back either, just being played. She
Speaker 1: initiates our neighbors. She says, I love you to him.
Speaker 1: I'm literally losing my mind, she says. To our h
Speaker 1: fat guy, her hot trainer, she says, I love you
Speaker 1: too all the time. You know, I think where it
Speaker 1: comes from or why it annoys me so much, is
Speaker 1: because you always hear douchebaggy guys, you know on these
Speaker 1: dating shows Bachelor, You know, I don't throw I love
Speaker 1: you around very very often. They try to make it
Speaker 1: seem so much bigger than it really is. If I
Speaker 1: could go back in time to each one of my relationships,
Speaker 1: I would just say it on night one, like oh
Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah. I'd say to every girl, oh
Speaker 1: I love you, Just so you know, I say it
Speaker 1: pretty easily. I would tell everyone why not? Who cares it?
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything, Just say it. If you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship or dating somebody for two months, just say it,
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you so much. Well, this
Speaker 1: is what my wife has done. She's taken the power
Speaker 1: away from it. So now when I tell her I
Speaker 1: love you, it's just like, well who cares. It's like
Speaker 1: I might as well just give you a handshake. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that. Our relationship still doesn't have spice.
Speaker 1: The other day, you know, and I bought her edible
Speaker 1: period panties. Oh and by the way, they're not made
Speaker 1: uh from the fruit roll ups. No, No, that's not
Speaker 1: sturdy enough. They're made from jerky.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bigger panty. It's a meal, and it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's a meal. If you're going to open up a
Speaker 1: pair of period panties, you better have an appetite cause, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a meal.
Speaker 3: Or no.
Speaker 1: Beef, that's beef jerky. It's good. I got her the
Speaker 1: tie chili ones. Oh yeah, yeah, she said it burned
Speaker 1: and itch. But whatever. I don't want to go into
Speaker 1: too much more detail. I know our listeners and viewers
Speaker 1: are getting all horned up. I'm gonna ask you nicely.
Speaker 3: Hold hold hold, hold, hold.
Speaker 1: Enjoy Pasha. Today's guest will probably attempt to get into
Speaker 1: my mind because she is a license forensic and clinical
Speaker 1: psychologist and also a certified sex therapist. But I have
Speaker 1: a perfect relationship with my hot mother, So good luck
Speaker 1: trying to psychoanalyze me. Please welcome, sexy therapist. Hey, no,
Speaker 1: sex therapist. You know what. I'm just gonna go with
Speaker 1: doctor Kate. How's that? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm okay? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Thank you? Good?
Speaker 2: Are you really?
Speaker 1: Uh huh? Oh No. The first thing she's already in,
Speaker 1: she's already in. There's the nightmare, all right, I'll still well,
Speaker 1: let's start with do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Ghosts of previous relationships?
Speaker 1: Maybe, but that's the only type. Yeah, you don't believe
Speaker 1: in ghosts, then it's a no. What about skeletons in
Speaker 1: people's closets?
Speaker 2: Metaphorically?
Speaker 1: Sure? Sure, good grief. Just so you know my background,
Speaker 1: I've never been to therapy. Never. No, why I resent
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I've never felt like I
Speaker 1: really needed it, And I always figured the cuckoo stuff
Speaker 1: in my head that I could live with helped me professionally,
Speaker 1: So I was like, I just leave it.
Speaker 2: Did you know that your face is changing colors? Right?
Speaker 1: Now probably. I mean it's well, Listen, I'm aware that
Speaker 1: I'm on the wrong side of it. Listen.
Speaker 2: Everybody can benefit from having somebody to talk to, but
Speaker 2: not everyone needs to go to therapy. So you make
Speaker 2: a decision about what works for you.
Speaker 1: When you live in Los Angeles, so many people are
Speaker 1: so open about their therapy, and I have friends that
Speaker 1: have been in therapy for decades, and I say to myself,
Speaker 1: why am I hanging out with someone that hasn't been
Speaker 1: fixed yet? Is it's just forever, We're going to do
Speaker 1: this forever.
Speaker 2: No. People go to therapy for lots of different reasons.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they want a solution to a symptom that's really
Speaker 2: bothering them, and that's probably more of like a short
Speaker 2: term experience in therapy. But sometimes people want a place
Speaker 2: that's a neutral space, and they want a long term
Speaker 2: relationship with someone who knows them so that they can
Speaker 2: go back and get tuneups and check in across lots
Speaker 2: of different milestones in their life, and it can be
Speaker 2: really helpful. Right Like we all have an accountant, we
Speaker 2: all have a mechanic. If you have a car and
Speaker 2: you go to these experts when you don't know what
Speaker 2: to do yourself and spy. It can be the same way.
Speaker 1: Same with it like a medical doctor. When stuff's wrong
Speaker 1: with me, I don't go, well, that sounds like a
Speaker 1: you thing. I know it is. Oh yeah definitely. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, ah, that'll work itself out. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't need to use my back the same way
Speaker 1: I used to. I just wanted you to have you know,
Speaker 1: know who you were talking to on some somebody. Again,
Speaker 1: I think it's rate for other people, not for me.
Speaker 1: Where are you with that in person therapy versus you know,
Speaker 1: the teletherrapy.
Speaker 2: It's such a good question. Like for some people, virtual
Speaker 2: therapy is the only reason they can make time for it.
Speaker 2: It gives them the space, It gives them the flexibility
Speaker 2: to actually get into some of the stuff they want
Speaker 2: to get into, which is great. For other people, they
Speaker 2: don't like it because they can't get enough privacy at home,
Speaker 2: you know, they live in a smaller space. Maybe their
Speaker 2: partner or kids make it hard to focus. They want
Speaker 2: to be in person.
Speaker 1: I mean, any doctor that lets me just like hold
Speaker 1: up my kid's arm into a camera and will like
Speaker 1: send me a you know, a prescription, I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's so much better.
Speaker 2: It's convenience.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're originally from Wisconsin, went to school in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Now say what you will about the blown out of proportion,
Speaker 1: you know, gun violence. How much do you love Chicago?
Speaker 2: I love it. I miss it so much.
Speaker 1: I go back regularly.
Speaker 2: Or no, I was just there a few weeks ago. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great.
Speaker 1: It's a good time a year to be there.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. There's a small window. There's like three weeks
Speaker 1: in the beginning to fall and three weeks at the
Speaker 1: end of spring, exactly right, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yep, the rest of it. You can leave there.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. You began your career as a therapist working
Speaker 1: in the legal system with prison inmates. What was that like?
Speaker 2: It was, honestly such a great education because I got
Speaker 2: to see the worst of humanity and also the best.
Speaker 1: It was really insightful who was the best?
Speaker 2: You get to see the best of humanity in these
Speaker 2: really small moments where new inmates would come in and look,
Speaker 2: most of the time, it's pretty doggy dog in there.
Speaker 2: But every once in a while you saw someone take
Speaker 2: someone else under their wing without another agenda. You saw
Speaker 2: them give somebody something from commissary because they were having
Speaker 2: a really hard time, or you saw them have a
Speaker 2: growth moment that was really profound. You know. There were
Speaker 2: just little moments.
Speaker 1: Like that that really shand through my biggest fear in life.
Speaker 2: Going to prison. Yes, good for good reason.
Speaker 1: Well that in monsters, but yeah, no, it seems awful.
Speaker 1: How do you transition the career into sex therapy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, working with sex offenders for as long as
Speaker 2: I did gave me a lot of training and a
Speaker 2: lot of understanding to really understand the different relationships that
Speaker 2: people have with sex and howe how people use sex
Speaker 2: to communicate different things that they want or they need
Speaker 2: in life. I wanted to help people move away from
Speaker 2: a relationship with sex that was really painful in some way,
Speaker 2: to a relationship with sex that felt ripe with pleasure,
Speaker 2: that was thriving, that was healthy, that was expansive and
Speaker 2: generative in their lives. So that's sort of the journey.
Speaker 1: Who benefits from you the most? Is it people that
Speaker 1: have had, like, you know, horrible sex trauma in their
Speaker 1: life or is it people that are just trying to
Speaker 1: enrich their sex lives? Both?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: Both?
Speaker 2: Right? I work with people who have had horrific trauma
Speaker 2: in their lives. People who have pain during sex, who
Speaker 2: can't get an erection, or who ejaculate too soon or
Speaker 2: sooner than they would like. I work with people who
Speaker 2: want to open their relationship and they don't know how
Speaker 2: to get started, people who want to get kinky and
Speaker 2: they don't know how to get started, or mixed relationships,
Speaker 2: or one person's more of vanilla, one person's more kinky,
Speaker 2: and they're trying to figure out how to make that
Speaker 2: make sense. We work with a lot of folks who
Speaker 2: are recovering from infidelity and trying to figure out why
Speaker 2: they went there.
Speaker 1: We do a lot a lot of people trying to
Speaker 1: fix their relationship.
Speaker 2: A lot of people trying to fix is an interesting word, right.
Speaker 2: Fix assumes that there's a finish line or a finite point,
Speaker 2: or that we're all these static creatures where it just
Speaker 2: like pop back into place. But that's not really how
Speaker 2: it works, right. We're all dynamics, So it's about integration, understanding, assimilation,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of creating a new path forward. So
Speaker 2: it's a very dynamic process.
Speaker 1: I mean, the real fix is divorce, but they don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. Is that a fix well. Sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you have recommend that they get divorced because
Speaker 1: you know enough information about one of the parties that
Speaker 1: you're like, m, this is not this is not going
Speaker 1: to work. You're wasting your time.
Speaker 2: I might say that. I might say I might say,
Speaker 2: this is seeming like a fruitless effort. Okay, let's explore that.
Speaker 2: I will push people to explore what divorce could look like,
Speaker 2: but I'll also push them to explore what not getting
Speaker 2: divorced could look like. I don't have an agenda for
Speaker 2: people's relationships. They might come in already decided they're going
Speaker 2: to get a divorce, but they're buying time, or they
Speaker 2: want to try one more thing, or they have it
Speaker 2: in their head that if me or my partner could
Speaker 2: just get to this thing, then then everything will be okay.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't want to push people. I
Speaker 2: trust that everyone knows where they need to be when
Speaker 2: they're ready to know that.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a mistake. I mean, oh, you see, you
Speaker 1: have no agenda. But your agenda is you'd like your
Speaker 1: clients to be happy. I want my.
Speaker 2: Clients to feel content and at peace with the decisions
Speaker 2: that they make in life, and to have meaning and
Speaker 2: create meaning where they need it and want it, and
Speaker 2: to make hard decisions. It's not always possible to be
Speaker 2: happy all the time, right. We want to create a
Speaker 2: life that has meanings so that we can sustain the
Speaker 2: parts that aren't so happy and really enjoy the parts
Speaker 2: that are.
Speaker 1: I enjoy the roller coaster. It's real high highs, and
Speaker 1: then I like just crashing. By the way, anytime I
Speaker 1: refer I have a sex question during this interview, I
Speaker 1: want you to know it's not about me. It's for
Speaker 1: a friend always. Okay, of course I get that.
Speaker 2: You don't even have sex. I'm sure I do.
Speaker 3: Do you.
Speaker 1: I have sex with my wife, you know, pretty regularly.
Speaker 1: That's great for your standard vanilla clients. How many times
Speaker 1: do you want them to go at it a week?
Speaker 2: However, many times it makes sense for.
Speaker 1: What I'm talking about vanilla people.
Speaker 2: However, many times it makes sense for them. There isn't
Speaker 2: an ideal, right, because every couple is different.
Speaker 1: I don't think my wife has ever initiated sex in
Speaker 1: the last seven years.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Well, I brought it up. That's all right, that's a start, Daniel.
Speaker 1: I think it's okay. I think it's okay that she doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, that's fine.
Speaker 2: It depends on why. For some partners they'd be like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that's my thing. I want to be the initiator m hm.
Speaker 2: And for some they're like, I want my partner to
Speaker 2: initiate more. And I don't know why they're not.
Speaker 1: We've turned into like like some nineteen eighties sitcom where
Speaker 1: I'm chasing her around that come here. I believe that
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest about who I am sexually, it
Speaker 1: hasn't really changed that much since I was, you know, fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 1: And I believe women change so much more physically throughout
Speaker 1: their lives, whether it's just you know, as they get older,
Speaker 1: having a baby, if they have a baby, you know,
Speaker 1: you got organs moving around your everything about them seems
Speaker 1: like it's just a moving target at all points of
Speaker 1: their lives. So it's I always feel like, ah, this
Speaker 1: is this is tough. Refigure this stuff out constantly.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a fun adventure, and.
Speaker 1: Gay, I go, I should look at it that way.
Speaker 1: I'm just always looking for a cheat code. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, what now, what are you injured now? Be
Speaker 1: talking less. Got it. I've been married for almost ten years.
Speaker 1: Can sex therapy shut out the part of my brain
Speaker 1: that remembers my twenties and thirties? You know, when I
Speaker 1: was living the good life. I don't mean to say
Speaker 1: the good life, but now that actually describes it pretty much.
Speaker 2: You mean, like, do we have one of those men
Speaker 2: in black things where it can just and like out
Speaker 2: goes a whole day?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I just feel like, is
Speaker 1: there a way to block that out? Get rid of
Speaker 1: the roll of desk?
Speaker 3: We want to?
Speaker 2: Well, are you playing the compare and despair game? Daniel?
Speaker 1: Oh? Is that what it's called? Yeah? No, I'm not
Speaker 1: playing it? Well now I am now because you put
Speaker 1: in my heads. Now I'm doing it. I can't stop
Speaker 1: doing it right now.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you could use all of those memories
Speaker 2: as like ideas to bring fun stuff into your tenure marriage.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: Whatever you liked about those experiences, can they be a
Speaker 2: bridge into the now?
Speaker 1: There were just somebody knew, that's all, you know. I've
Speaker 1: never wanted to break up with somebody for someone else
Speaker 1: in my way, that's nice. I've always wanted to break
Speaker 1: up just so I could be alone again.
Speaker 2: Okay. I was like, oh yeah, is it really taxing
Speaker 2: for you to be in a relationship?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Not now now the person'm in relationship, I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great, amazing, let's just let's just ride this out.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Anyway, this is what therapy is. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: isn't bad. Is cut your check at the end of
Speaker 1: my venmo your houses work?
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I'll send you a bill.
Speaker 1: What's the most common reason someone goes to see a
Speaker 1: sex therapist?
Speaker 2: Usually because something's going on in their sex life and
Speaker 2: they don't know how to make it better, But the
Speaker 2: underlying question is usually something like am I normal? Am
Speaker 2: I broken?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Am I okay? For wanting what I want? Or because
Speaker 2: this thing has happened. So usually it's about addressing something
Speaker 2: that they don't know how to make sense of and
Speaker 2: making sure that they're like, okay.
Speaker 1: How do you start we come in for a sex
Speaker 1: therapy session. How quickly do we just start talking about
Speaker 1: the weird stuff that they do?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it weird, but sex therapy is just
Speaker 2: like every other kind of therapy. At the start, it's
Speaker 2: getting a lot of background about someone their life, their
Speaker 2: medical history, legal history, family history, social history. We want
Speaker 2: to know who you are holistically, and then we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about whatever sexually is bringing you into the
Speaker 2: space so that we can have a really integrated idea
Speaker 2: of what's going on.
Speaker 1: How kinky are you dealing? I'm just like, are these
Speaker 1: people like straight up freaks? What's the scale? What are
Speaker 1: people into?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't use the word freak unless we're using it
Speaker 2: in like a positive like they're freaky, they're getting freaky
Speaker 2: to what do.
Speaker 1: They just like have to like harness themselves up and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried it? No, Well, then you don't
Speaker 2: know what you're missing.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I've never been to Bora Bora and I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that. Okay, I know it's beautiful. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's like whatever.
Speaker 2: People are kinky for lots of reasons, right, and it's
Speaker 2: not always about sex, at least not penetrative sex. Kink
Speaker 2: is really it's a vehicle for intimacy, intimacy with self,
Speaker 2: intimacy with others. So people are kinky because they get
Speaker 2: to feel something in their body or something in the
Speaker 2: dynamic that they don't have access to otherwise, and sex
Speaker 2: is play. It's play for adults, whether you're vanilla or kinky.
Speaker 2: But the kinky folks, you know, they get pretty creative. Now.
Speaker 1: I've been my previous show that I had on Comedy Central,
Speaker 1: I've been known to kink shame a time or two.
Speaker 1: But I'll be honest with you in my defense, the
Speaker 1: internet is just a horrible place, and I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, half the videos I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: it was I mean, that's not true. I probably knew
Speaker 1: it was sexual, but it's just so bizarre, the random
Speaker 1: things that some people are just like, no, I just
Speaker 1: sit here and comb somebody's hair for four hours. It's
Speaker 1: just disturbing, is it?
Speaker 2: Or is it just something you don't understand?
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Also, come on, that's what you need
Speaker 1: to be doing. What about people that are into that weird?
Speaker 3: Uh uh?
Speaker 1: This is going to get disgusting. But yes, let's just
Speaker 1: say poop people that are in like, is it poop play?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Whatever?
Speaker 3: The thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to sit there and act like this
Speaker 1: this is acceptable. What you're saying, Oh you're into this,
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't it be okay?
Speaker 1: It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, excrement can be really gross. We're all conditioned
Speaker 2: to think you you you, and like disgust serves a very.
Speaker 1: He don't like it, Carls, like you're about to talk
Speaker 1: about although he's a car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carl's like Daniel, you're like speaking out of your
Speaker 2: lane here.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, Carl, I apologize all right.
Speaker 2: People like it for different reasons. Some people enjoy that
Speaker 2: kind of play because it is gross and they like
Speaker 2: to lean into the disgust element or the humiliation element.
Speaker 2: Some people like it because they want to reclaim something
Speaker 2: in themselves. You know, everyone's different, and the important thing
Speaker 2: to remember, whatever the kink is that somebody's doing, it's
Speaker 2: a metaphor for something that they're trying to experience in life.
Speaker 1: No, that's just that's just some fucked up parents. That's
Speaker 1: that's all it is. You just got to tell them
Speaker 1: get out of your off and also, duh, it just
Speaker 1: you clean the couch.
Speaker 2: Everyone's got different things, I know. That's the beauty of sex, right,
Speaker 2: Like it is so diverse. That's the one constant is
Speaker 2: that it's diverse, and human beings are super super diverse.
Speaker 2: We all like different kinds of foods. We like different
Speaker 2: kinds of music. Why wouldn't we like different kinds of sex?
Speaker 1: I know we do. But no matter what you're into,
Speaker 1: it's still you just want to get to the finish line.
Speaker 1: The finish line is the same for everybody. Not necessarily,
Speaker 1: it's still.
Speaker 2: Focusing too much on an orgasm. Can really listen? Orgasms
Speaker 2: are great. We've got to close the gap first of all.
Speaker 2: But close the gap, the orgasm gap.
Speaker 1: What's the gap?
Speaker 2: Oh, he's not heard of the orgasm gap?
Speaker 3: No, what is this?
Speaker 2: Okay? So big study was done a few years ago,
Speaker 2: like fifty thousand ish participants.
Speaker 1: I would have participated. I bet you would have.
Speaker 2: And what they looked at were people's gender and sexual
Speaker 2: orientations and their frequency of orgasm. What they learned is
Speaker 2: that there's a huge gap for heterosexual people. Heterosexual men
Speaker 2: have orgasms like something like ninety five percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, whereas heterosexual women have orgasms only something like
Speaker 2: sixty five percent of the time.
Speaker 1: You don't, I say, who cares?
Speaker 2: I do feel sorry for your wife.
Speaker 1: But if you would have told me it was fifty
Speaker 1: percent gap, I would have been like, of course, it's fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be I'm not shocked by that at all.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: But it sucks for women who have sex with men exclusively,
Speaker 2: like their orgasm potential is so low.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe they shouldn't be so hard to have an orgasm.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm getting hostile.
Speaker 2: I hear that I want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't mabe, shouldn't take so long. Oh, it's not our fault.
Speaker 1: You're wired so tricky, isn't it though?
Speaker 2: Is it in your do we need to talk about
Speaker 2: where things are? Do you want to know? Should I
Speaker 2: bring in my my life?
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm I know what to do. But it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, hey, you know, there's sometimes you're with
Speaker 1: your partner again. I'm not talking about my way. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about just in general.
Speaker 2: Your friend's wife.
Speaker 1: They'll say those that you know, it's just not happening
Speaker 1: that you know, all the same things are are are
Speaker 1: in play here, but you know what you can just
Speaker 1: they're just going to tap out, Yeah happens. And I'm
Speaker 1: always like, as soon as I get that tap, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh great, three two one, h all right, So there's
Speaker 1: a big gap. What do we have to do to
Speaker 1: close the gap, We've got to be toys. Yes, do
Speaker 1: you say toys or do you say what?
Speaker 2: What? What? Are?
Speaker 1: We call them sex toys? We call them what toys?
Speaker 2: Accessory? That's more pre dildos. You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to see a now. Dildos
Speaker 1: have always dildo. I tell you what. Dildo's have gotten
Speaker 1: a bad rap. There you go. Yeah, I mean because
Speaker 1: whenever I think of a dilda, I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's disturbing. But a vibrator, I'm like, oh that's nice,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But I'm just like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because it's a big fake penis. I remember once seeing
Speaker 1: a dildo under my one of my friend's beds uh
Speaker 1: in college, and I was just like, you dirty hoe.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that out loud, but I thought that
Speaker 1: that's well. I'm just remembering now.
Speaker 2: It feels like you have some big feelings about this.
Speaker 1: Well, I just again, you know, they make dilo's look
Speaker 1: like penises too. That's always seen. Do you not like penises?
Speaker 1: I mean I like, I think they're fine. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you think you can You can't corner me. I'm out.
Speaker 2: You didn't get the three taps yet.
Speaker 1: Hey, uh, penis envy? Do people bring up penis envy? Well?
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people heard Freud talk about
Speaker 2: penis envy way back when. So there's there's a lot
Speaker 2: of mythology about penis env Do you ever just.
Speaker 1: Tell your clients listen, this is how many inches you
Speaker 1: have to be for it to be a non issue.
Speaker 2: No, because everyone's different. Everyone's anatomy is different, vaginas are
Speaker 2: different in length.
Speaker 1: Are micro penis is a real thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How small can they be?
Speaker 2: Micro? Like?
Speaker 1: What is an actual micro penis? I mean they vary,
Speaker 1: but would two inches erect be considered a micro penis?
Speaker 2: Possibly? I'd have to look at the exact specs on that.
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what a micro penis. But what
Speaker 1: the cutoff is for a micro penis. It's like a
Speaker 1: little person, right, they have to be like under four
Speaker 1: to eleven or something. I don't know what the rule is.
Speaker 1: Is there any correlation between feet, hands, and penis.
Speaker 2: There's different studies about that. I don't think there's anything conclusive,
Speaker 2: But recently I read that the one piece of anatomy
Speaker 2: that's most correlated to penis sizes actually.
Speaker 1: Knows, meaning what like a larger nose, a larger penis,
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. That's just something I
Speaker 2: read recently.
Speaker 1: Huh, that's interesting. Can you get me into any of
Speaker 1: the eyes wide shut parties that are going on in
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. I've got some connections you do, so you
Speaker 1: know they exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of parties.
Speaker 1: Do you go to those? Ever, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you that. Okay, that's fair, but they exist. I
Speaker 1: never thought they existed, and now I'm being told they do,
Speaker 1: and now I'm being it's confirmation here that they do exist.
Speaker 2: No, there's all kinds of fun parties, not just in LA.
Speaker 1: You host those parties.
Speaker 2: Different people, sometimes the organizations. Sometimes they're private parties.
Speaker 1: Like an airbnb.
Speaker 2: Oh, like, there's there's different companies that sex party is
Speaker 2: is their things?
Speaker 1: What do they do to that the house? Though? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just that's respectable. No, they're not.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it depends on who hosts them and who goes.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't want to rent that house after them.
Speaker 1: You feel like, you know, like if you buy a
Speaker 1: house and somebody just died in the house, they have
Speaker 1: to let you know full disclosure. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: if your house was used as a sex party, they
Speaker 1: should have to let you know why. I don't know,
Speaker 1: so that I can scrape up some ass blood.
Speaker 2: I mean, I imagine that's been taken care of.
Speaker 1: I've seen the forensic work that people do. You always
Speaker 1: there's always a drip somewhere.
Speaker 2: Well, that could be true.
Speaker 1: How do they let you know one of these sex
Speaker 1: parties is about to happen? They send out an evite?
Speaker 2: What's sometimes? I mean it depends, right, Like some of
Speaker 2: the organizations that literally host these parties. Yeah, you get
Speaker 2: on their newsletter. They some of them are by invite only.
Speaker 2: Some of them you can apply to be accepted into.
Speaker 1: Some of them, just like you have to have a
Speaker 1: plus one.
Speaker 2: Every Every party is different, right, Some parties, No, you
Speaker 2: can come as a single person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh there's Tony. He's always here alone. This comes
Speaker 1: in glomen on my wife. Anytime I've been to a
Speaker 1: party in my life. I'm going to a party tomorrow
Speaker 1: night and I'm dreading it.
Speaker 2: But it's a sex party.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a birthday party anyway, But I just go
Speaker 1: and I just immediately my wife and I just she like,
Speaker 1: we just go to a corner and then I just
Speaker 1: keep saying, like every five minutes, you think it's cool
Speaker 1: if we leave. Now that that's how I envision how
Speaker 1: I would beat a sex party. Well, yeah, I got mine.
Speaker 1: How about you?
Speaker 2: I mean, therapy could help with your social skills.
Speaker 1: Percentage of clients that are there by themselves versus with
Speaker 1: a couple, Oh, it's so mixed.
Speaker 2: I mean, our practice works with individuals and couples. Some
Speaker 2: specialize in one or the other. So we're pretty we're
Speaker 2: pretty even. I would say we're maybe fifty five percent individuals,
Speaker 2: forty five percent couples. Right now, some thrupples, some quads.
Speaker 1: Quad and that's where you stop. You know what, I
Speaker 1: feel like the quads are trying to do what I
Speaker 1: feel like they're lying and they're just trying to get
Speaker 1: a better rate on their therapy by coming in all together.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm going to investigate that that's an
Speaker 2: interesting hypothesis.
Speaker 1: Yes, just seems like they're trying to scam the system.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just just act like we all bone each
Speaker 1: other all right, here we go. Oh, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: you have these thrupples come in of course, and I
Speaker 1: pretend that they have like like, I know your problem.
Speaker 1: There's fucking three of you.
Speaker 2: That's a problem at an opportunity for them. But listen,
Speaker 2: folks who are non monogamous have typically are better adjusted
Speaker 2: because they have to practice more communication, more proactive communication,
Speaker 2: and they have to really work at it. Like one
Speaker 2: relationship is hard, so if you add multiple relationships to
Speaker 2: the mix, balancing all those boundaries and negotiating things, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's complicated, but it can be great. I wouldn't call
Speaker 2: it nonsense.
Speaker 1: Do you think humans are meant to be monogamous?
Speaker 2: I think there's a huge spectrum and there isn't a
Speaker 2: right or wrong way. Let me give you a little
Speaker 2: history lesson Before the h I think it was the
Speaker 2: agricultural Revolution, we weren't monogamous as like a group, a
Speaker 2: cohesive group. There was a lot more community play happening,
Speaker 2: community child rearing, community, everything. But once the agricultural revolution
Speaker 2: happened and we started having like assets, like things that
Speaker 2: we earned, then people wanted more assurance that the things
Speaker 2: they were working for so at that time it was
Speaker 2: like livestock and whatnot. They wanted to be able to
Speaker 2: pass that along to their own children. So that's around
Speaker 2: the same time that we started living more in like
Speaker 2: a nuclear family dynamic, and when monogamy became more of
Speaker 2: the desired relationship style because then men could determine the
Speaker 2: paternity of offspring. When we had a lot of non
Speaker 2: monogamous sex as humans, that was less known. So do
Speaker 2: I think people are healthier? Not necessarily. Some people really
Speaker 2: benefit from non monogamy and some people really benefit from monogamy.
Speaker 1: There's a huge spectrum in that spectrum. Would you say
Speaker 1: that gay relationships are less monogamous than hetero relationships or
Speaker 1: not necessarily?
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting question. I don't know the data
Speaker 2: on that, but I would say there's a huge spectrum
Speaker 2: of people in the queer community who prefer monogamy and
Speaker 2: non monogamy.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to get them on the hook for
Speaker 1: monogamy because I call the other stuff bullshit. If you
Speaker 1: just get to go out willy nilly, reilly nilly, there's
Speaker 1: a trade off you want to get married. It's like
Speaker 1: you have to suck it up and suffer, Daniel.
Speaker 2: This is why people go to therapy, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, to yell their stupid views. Do you have a
Speaker 1: therapist to unload on of course, Now are you allowed
Speaker 1: to just when you're in that environment just talk about
Speaker 1: all of your clients in a free form there.
Speaker 2: Great question. So therapists can have therapists, and sometimes they
Speaker 2: might process some stuff that comes up for them from
Speaker 2: their work in their own therapy, but usually we have
Speaker 2: a separate space for that called supervision, where we consult
Speaker 2: with other therapists about our cases.
Speaker 1: Specifically, is sex therapy covered by insurance?
Speaker 2: Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Do you take insurance?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, but we do offer super bills and sliding scales.
Speaker 1: Do you need it because you're usually hanging out with
Speaker 1: a bunch of elitists in Beverly Hills, now right, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2: Oh, but yeah, our rates vary. We do what we
Speaker 2: do do though, because accessibility is really important to me.
Speaker 2: We have contracts with different schools to be a training
Speaker 2: site for therapists, so we offer low and no cost
Speaker 2: services with.
Speaker 1: Our students, their students or students.
Speaker 2: No, no, we train therapists students, and then to the
Speaker 2: folks out in the world they get really reasonable prices.
Speaker 1: Are sex therapists considered sex workers?
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting question. Some people treat us like
Speaker 2: sex workers.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: They want to come in and throw money at a
Speaker 2: problem and they want us to sort of like fix
Speaker 2: it for them or address it in that way. Some people,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they really don't know what we
Speaker 2: do or if this is a gross boundary violation, but
Speaker 2: they will try to engage in some kind of exhibitionism
Speaker 2: or you know, they'll do inappropriate thing.
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that happens for sex therapists quite a bit.
Speaker 1: You immediately report.
Speaker 2: That, my practice does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to report someone because they
Speaker 1: told you they've done something awful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in California, every state as mandated reporter requirements where
Speaker 2: we have to make reports, but it's really limited to
Speaker 2: things like someone saying they're going to hurt themselves or
Speaker 2: someone else. We have to report that. If someone tells
Speaker 2: us that they know of any emotional, physical, sexual, or
Speaker 2: financial abuse against someone under eighteen or over sixty five,
Speaker 2: then we have to report that. And that includes child
Speaker 2: sexual abuse material, so any like sexually explicit images of
Speaker 2: children that they've been viewing or distributing or downloading knowingly.
Speaker 1: When you talk about pedophile stuff like that it's a sickness, right,
Speaker 1: would you say pedophilia is a sickness or no, I
Speaker 1: would say.
Speaker 2: It's it's a pathology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's just the one thing that if someone
Speaker 1: has no one, no one goes, oh, well they have
Speaker 1: a disease and there's no everybody's just like now fuck them.
Speaker 1: They burn at the steak.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, humans love easy black and white categorizations, right,
Speaker 2: So we love to think of ourselves as good people
Speaker 2: and bad people. Yep, And that's just not the reality
Speaker 2: of life. Like, there's so many people out in the
Speaker 2: world who are really good people outward facing, and they're
Speaker 2: doing things at home that are really really abusive, really horrible.
Speaker 2: It's like, the most common data about perpetrators of sexual
Speaker 2: violence is that it's always, not always, but majority of
Speaker 2: the time, it's someone known to the victim. And when
Speaker 2: your child, that means it's a parent, a caregiver, a teacher,
Speaker 2: a coach, religious person that you know has been entrusted
Speaker 2: with children. It's all these adults or older siblings around them.
Speaker 1: So I gotta get all the adults out of my
Speaker 1: kid's life, because I can rule myself out, I can
Speaker 1: rule my wife out. Other than that, I can't trust anyone. Wow,
Speaker 1: So no religious figures can go around my kids, the teachers.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to get around that one.
Speaker 2: That's hard. Yeah, that's why it's not so easy to
Speaker 2: look at everyone as black and white. Good people, bad people.
Speaker 1: Well I think all of them are bad. If they're
Speaker 1: looking at my kid.
Speaker 2: They're doing really horrible things.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's awful. Yeah, talk to me. Oh oh, we
Speaker 1: got to get into this. If you were called to
Speaker 1: provide your psychological expertise in the p Ditty case, what
Speaker 1: would your diagnosis be?
Speaker 2: Oh, well, we can't provide diagnoses for people we've never evaluated.
Speaker 1: I know, but let's just go for it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this fascinating, this case.
Speaker 2: This is why I became a forensic psychologist.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You get to understand why people do the most malevolent
Speaker 2: and dark things that they do, and why do they
Speaker 2: so many different reasons. People's motivations vary, but usually when
Speaker 2: it comes to stuff like this, the motivation is power.
Speaker 2: It's wanting to have control, it's wanting to feel superior
Speaker 2: or feel protected in your superiority, and having a sense
Speaker 2: of power gives people that illusion of superiority and It
Speaker 2: gives them the illusion then of having some sort of
Speaker 2: safety in this world. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I believe you, and I'm I just you know,
Speaker 1: when you live long and if you realize there's every
Speaker 1: walk of life. Yeah, but when you're like, when you're
Speaker 1: living your life in a normal shell or what you
Speaker 1: perceive to be normal, and you see how other people act,
Speaker 1: I just can't. I just can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's good, you're not a psychopath.
Speaker 1: What's he called his little sex party? What were those
Speaker 1: the freak offs? And they went for a days? That's
Speaker 1: I don't care what you're into sexually, what I and
Speaker 1: I can wrap my head around. Oh, everybody's into different things,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Fine. What I can't wrap my head
Speaker 1: around is somebody's into it for three straight days. I mean,
Speaker 1: no matter what I'm into. After said climax, I'm no
Speaker 1: longer into it. I'm like, all right, let's get out
Speaker 1: of my house, guys.
Speaker 2: But you're assuming it's about sexual pleasure, and it's not right.
Speaker 2: Sexual violence is not about sexual pleasure. It's about power.
Speaker 2: It's about being in control. So I can't speak to
Speaker 2: this case because I haven't investigated it. I don't know
Speaker 2: the details. I don't know the psyche.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: But when people do things like this, often they're not
Speaker 2: even masturbating, they're not even enjoying it in that way,
Speaker 2: or if they are, it's a short lived experience, and
Speaker 2: then they come back to, you know, kind of resting
Speaker 2: on this idea of I did this, this is my doing,
Speaker 2: and that gives them a sense of control. We've seen
Speaker 2: that with lots of kinds of situations where perpetrators are
Speaker 2: found to have hosted public events in a non consensual way.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I'm gonna get off this. But it's just
Speaker 1: so fresh right now in the news, like anytime something
Speaker 1: goes three days, Like whenever you're watching a movie and
Speaker 1: like a Jason Bourne movie, he's on the run, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, when are you taking a nap? When
Speaker 1: do you go into the bathroom? P do you still
Speaker 1: have to go out in normal day activities? Like when
Speaker 1: was he checking emails? Like while all this nonsense is
Speaker 1: going on in the living room. Just the smell alone,
Speaker 1: I'm just confused. Oh, he's going away and he's gonna
Speaker 1: get locked up. I know, you don't know the particulars.
Speaker 1: But he's done right, is done. See that's the trade off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could look at my life and say it's boring,
Speaker 1: but look at that idiot. I thought he was, you know,
Speaker 1: gonna ride that biggie fame forever. Nope, everybody's on my
Speaker 1: show gets a gift. Oh yeah, but it's just stuff
Speaker 1: for my house that I don't want.
Speaker 2: I don't want your dildo.
Speaker 1: Oh you know that's funny that you say that. I
Speaker 1: was like going around my house like I don't have
Speaker 1: any sexy stuff to give it. But this, this is
Speaker 1: the last interview that I'm doing with this table.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I'm giving you this table. I don't know where
Speaker 1: you're gonna put it, but this table is now yours.
Speaker 2: That is just so generous. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So I need you to take this with you. Get
Speaker 1: your get your get my mug off your table. I
Speaker 1: have this candle to you. This is sensual amber. You're
Speaker 1: gonna love that candle. Well, thank you. That's your table,
Speaker 1: so I guess you can keep it on there. Thank you.
Speaker 1: What else do I have done here? Oh? This I
Speaker 1: wanted you to have? This is uh. I don't never
Speaker 1: I'm always paranoid to get rid of my old computers
Speaker 1: because there's probably stuff on there that I don't want.
Speaker 1: But this one, you know, I figured you're legally you
Speaker 1: can't look at that, and there's nothing on there that
Speaker 1: you would be uh freaked out by. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna give you my old computer as well.
Speaker 2: That's that is very generous, all right?
Speaker 1: Can you sit them on the floor your gifts. I'm
Speaker 1: excited for you to have these things. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Are you in a relationship currently? I am. How long
Speaker 1: have you been in a relationship?
Speaker 2: H five years? Over five years?
Speaker 1: Now, what's the longest you've ever been in a relationship
Speaker 1: this one? Look at that? You think you're going to
Speaker 1: go the distance? I don't know what that means. Thirty
Speaker 1: to forty more years?
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see.
Speaker 1: Would you like that? Do you want to grow old
Speaker 1: with someone or no?
Speaker 2: I think there's benefits to that for sure, and there
Speaker 2: are benefits to maybe not doing that. It all depends
Speaker 2: on the quality of the relationship that someone's in. If
Speaker 2: it's great, like yeah, why wouldn't you want to go
Speaker 2: the distance in that? But if it's something that isn't
Speaker 2: a good fit for one or both people, I don't
Speaker 2: recommend going the distance.
Speaker 1: Just to say you went. I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: like a contest. Let's see if we can do it.
Speaker 2: That's your motivation, go for it.
Speaker 1: Do you have a safe word in your relationship? Sure
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, okay, that's all I need to know.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what it is, though.
Speaker 1: Mine's called nine one one.
Speaker 2: That's that's very safe. Total boner killer too.
Speaker 1: I just scream, well, there's no there's only one boner
Speaker 1: in the room. And if I'm screaming, call nine one one,
Speaker 1: somebody better do it. Exactly where do you put sex
Speaker 1: in a relationship?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What number is it? As like things that are the
Speaker 1: most important to you.
Speaker 2: It's totally different based on the partners in every relationship.
Speaker 2: For some people that's like number one priority and that's fine.
Speaker 2: For other people it's like, it's nice, great, we'll do
Speaker 2: it when we want to, and it's maybe two, three, four,
Speaker 2: even fifth down in the rung of priorities, and that's okay,
Speaker 2: as long as there's cohesion between partners on how to
Speaker 2: prioritize sex.
Speaker 1: Mine is mine? Is you usually number two? Okay? In
Speaker 1: the morning. By the evening it's it's down to like nine.
Speaker 1: I get that. Sometimes it spikes back back up to
Speaker 1: two or three, and then it just immediately drops again
Speaker 1: into the low teens. When when is h When is
Speaker 1: my sexual drive going to fall off a cliff? I'm
Speaker 1: forty nine right now. Do you have a general idea
Speaker 1: of when that should happen?
Speaker 2: So, I mean for people with penises, it's usually when
Speaker 2: their testosterone starts to decrease. But now, everyone's baseline level
Speaker 2: of desire in libido is pretty different, So your normal
Speaker 2: might be somebody else's high desire or low desire today.
Speaker 2: So in five years or ten years.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're talking to seventy year old? Do
Speaker 1: you ever talk to seventy year old?
Speaker 2: Oh? Of course?
Speaker 1: Are they still pleasure in themselves?
Speaker 3: The men?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are, yeah, often? Yes? Did you you know
Speaker 1: what nightment? When do I get to stop?
Speaker 2: Whenever you want?
Speaker 1: Well, you know when do I? When do I want
Speaker 1: to stop?
Speaker 2: Well, that's a different story.
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, you said, seventy year olds are
Speaker 1: still sitting around yanking it.
Speaker 2: You know, what's interesting is that there is such a
Speaker 2: high rate of STD occurrence in independent living communities and
Speaker 2: older communities because older people are people, and they're having
Speaker 2: lots of sex, and they don't have to be bothered
Speaker 2: by like the fears of pregnancy anymore.
Speaker 1: So there's raw dogging it in the old folks home.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fun happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, disgusting the balls that must hang and swing in
Speaker 1: those communities, Jesus, just disturbing.
Speaker 2: Well seeing here, you thought men's bodies didn't change much.
Speaker 1: Now, balls, ears, and noses, they just keep going on men.
Speaker 1: It's just a horrific hmm. Well, you know that's neat
Speaker 1: that you talk to these old people and they're still disgusting.
Speaker 2: Old people are beautifully sexual humans too.
Speaker 1: What's the best way to go into a relationship if
Speaker 1: you want your sex life to thrive throughout?
Speaker 2: Oh, with humility, right and curiosity? Sex is fun, right,
Speaker 2: Sex hopefully, it's great.
Speaker 1: It can be sure, it's a time killer.
Speaker 2: It's something to do. I'm worried about your wife, don't honesty.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. Again, we're not talking about me,
Speaker 1: your friend's wife. That's right, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So sex is great, and it can also be
Speaker 2: a landscape for all kinds of really complex emotions and
Speaker 2: really complex like social experiences. So I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot to parse out and a lot to consider when
Speaker 2: you think about how to go into a relationship to
Speaker 2: have great sex. You want to be curious, you want
Speaker 2: to be humble, you want to think about your intentions
Speaker 2: for being sexual, and you want to think about it
Speaker 2: as a co created experience. Right, that's something that one
Speaker 2: person is giving to another person or getting from another person.
Speaker 1: I don't do any of that. I just want to
Speaker 1: be attracted to the person. That's a start. That's it.
Speaker 1: I mean on all levels, not just a physical attraction.
Speaker 1: That's up there. Kate, thank you very much for being here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to figure everything out on my own.
Speaker 2: I think you're doing a great job.
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