WEBVTT - Leading Off September 9th, 2024 (Ep. 899) 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:06.920 What's going on? Everybody? 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.799 Welcome into Leading Off the Fantasy Pros Baseball Podcast. We 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.360 are presented by Bet three sixty five, Bet five bucks, 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:15.280 get one hundred and fifty and bonus bets when you 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:16.319 use that promo code. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.400 Leading Off with our friends over at Bet three six five. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.560 There's no Welsh, there's no Joe Piezopia, but Casey Baba 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.720 and myself Joel Rico are back here on this Monday 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.200 leading Off. We're supposed to have well Sean, but that's 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.640 what happens this time of year when football gets crazy. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.880 Welch is famous now he's got to do the football shows. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.640 But that's why Bubba and myself are here to take 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.160 you through everything that's going on. Talk about the latest news, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.199 talk some injury updates, bets, home run calls, all that 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:41.760 great stuff. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.800 Bubba, how are you doing on this fine Monday. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.920 I'm doing great. It's always a pleasure as usual talking 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.560 baseball with you and keep going. With three weeks left 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.120 in the baseball seasons, so know who's counting. But as 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.600 we're rolling here, that other game takes place and takes 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.280 everybody's attention away. We still get cracking here for a 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.760 daily baseball for us. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.080 Yeah, I think we're down to the final I guess 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:04.920 there's three weeks left, three shows a week. We're down 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.480 to the final nine leading offs of the season. So 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.560 make sure you guys are subscribed to the show, whether 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.039 it is on the podcast side or. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:11.920 The YouTube side. 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.280 Would really appreciate any help you guys can give us 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.480 here as football starts to take over, but we are 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.759 still gonna be having baseball content come at you throughout 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.200 the offseason, so make sure you guys are signed up 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.360 for everything, podcast, YouTube and all that great stuff. We 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.600 are gonna start with the headlines and we're gonna keep 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.280 it the way we usually do here, but we're gonna 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.440 start off with some rather tough news, and it's justin 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:36.360 Verlander just getting destroyed again. Eight earned runs over three 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.960 innings against the Diamondbacks, a couple of home runs, he 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.160 allowed eight hits, did not record a strikeout. What we've 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.480 seen from him in fourteen games this season has been awful. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.120 A five thirty ERA, a one thirty eight whip, the 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.600 worst strikeout and walk rates that he's had in ten years. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:53.680 Is Verlander finished? 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:54.160 Bubba? 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:55.920 Is there any hope that he can kind of come 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.960 back and give us any old Verlander type of performances 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.240 or is it just kinda he's going to go out 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.000 the back door and this is kind of how his career. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.040 Is going to end. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.040 I think this is kind of where we're headed. He 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.200 might get a start here and there, but velocity is 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.440 not what it once was, doesn't go deep into games. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.560 We saw this last year before he got hurt. Things 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.280 are slowing down. He's still was serviceable, still could get 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.560 strikeouts from time to time, but he's now a pitcher, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.920 not a thrower, like and he still was a picture before, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.480 but you know what I mean, when you're still pumping 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.200 high nineties and the seventh or eighth in and that's 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.239 a thrower a lot of the time. But Vernon is 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.320 just getting old. Father Time is undefeated in these situations, 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:31.960 and it's a shame because he is one of the 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.680 best pictures of most of our generations. Like he's very, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.359 very good, and he's up there in the probably i'll 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.000 say top ten, potentially top five, depend on who you are, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.120 but I think this is about the end of it. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.680 I wanted nothing to do with him when he's coming 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.240 off the IL. I rooted for him, but it's like 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.560 I'm going to pass on this one and I see 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:51.040 where it goes. I'm quietly, sadly not surprised by what's 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:52.960 taking place. Not that I think Peven Smith was going 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.960 to be the guy that put him to his grave, No, 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.040 but I thought something like this could happen. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.440 It's crazy, Pavid Smith will want much of him later, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.640 just like one of the games of the season for anybody. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.079 But Verlander, I don't know what to expect from him 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.360 going forward because he's gonna be forty two years old 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:10.560 by the start of next season. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:11.560 He is as older. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.760 Than he's older than me. That's just a lot of people. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.760 That is pretty old. I'm just playing with you. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.799 I just don't know if we can really trust him 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.560 going to his age forty two season. He is a 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.920 player option. I feel like he's going to pick that 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.000 up because I don't know what kind of deal he's 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.840 going to get on the market. But I can't really 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.880 see myself drafting Verlander unless we're talking about if he 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.080 falls to like the last round and then you say, Okay, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.080 maybe I'll take a chance on him here, But just 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.240 that name value alone, I feel like he won't fall 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.600 as far as he should given the performances we've seen. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.920 Any chance you have any interest in Verlander at a 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.000 given price next year or. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:46.760 Just a full fade. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.280 I'm just a full fade, like he'd have to be 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.080 post too fifty, like one of your last round picks, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.720 essentially to keep interest from me. So I'm pretty positive 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:57.960 I'll be out on the Verlanders show. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:03:59.840 I think that's kind of the end. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.960 And of course, like you mentioned, he's one of the 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.360 best pitchers of the generation. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:04.480 He's going to the Hall of Fame. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.320 Its just it's sad to see it kind of go 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.040 out like this. I always figured he would end with 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.200 like a two to seven era and come third and 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.640 sy Young like a David Ortiz type of sendoff a year. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.040 I don't know why I figured that would be what 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.400 would happen for Verlander, but it doesn't look like we're 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:17.800 going to get that. He's kind of just stuck around 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.040 for a little bit too long at this point. Forty 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.360 two is just you're pushing it if you're still trying 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.440 to be a major league player at forty two. Jamie Moyer, 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.960 he's not coming back through that door anytime soon. Let's 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.000 talk about Julio Rodriguez six hits over the weekend in 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.920 Saint Louis. He's seventeen for his last fifty four over 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.719 the last couple of weeks. That's a three to fifteen 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.360 batting average, three home runs, three stolen bases. It obviously 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.440 hasn't been great. It's been a pretty miserable season as 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.760 a whole for Julio, and yet he's like a top 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.840 one hundred and fifty player overall. So I've really been 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.919 struggling because as the season goes on, we start to 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.840 think about next year's draft targets, and you know, there's 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.920 been some early drafts that we've broken down already. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:55.919 Do you think there's a. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.839 Chance Julio gets himself back into the first round, Like 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.599 there's a chance he goes twenty two? Funny, in a 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.040 miserable season, we know that he can go thirty thirty, 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.640 if not forty forty. So any chance that Julio gets 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:07.960 into the top fifteen. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.919 Next year, Uh, yeah, wouldn't shocked me. He went thirteenth 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.160 in our two early DC we did a couple of 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.599 weeks back, so there's still a lot of love for him. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.200 Never hurts to have a strong finish to the season 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.560 to get people excited. Now, the back end of that 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.039 draft is loaded between the end of the first round 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.120 early second round. I think there's a lot of moving 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.520 pieces there that'll change from draft to draft, but a 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.159 strong finish from Julio will remind people of how talented 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.360 he really is. I think he might have been hurt 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.240 quite a bit this season, more than let on because 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.160 he you know, he had the little il stint and 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.560 everything came back quicker than most expected, so on and 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.120 so forth. You know, maybe he's healthy, maybe he's not. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.360 But the finish is strong, so I think he'll find 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:46.559 his way back into the first round. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.080 The power hasn't really I mean, fourteen home runs the 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.080 whole season, but a part of I think the struggle 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.400 in terms of the overall stat line has also been 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.719 just how bad the team has been around him. Forty 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.520 nine REBI, sixty runs scored. Yes, part of that is 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.800 on Julio, but the Mariners have been historically bad and 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.760 that definitely has not helped things out. I feel like, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.880 if he's still sitting there at the beginning of the 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.400 second round, if I con pair him with like a Tattis, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.520 a Carrol, maybe a Tucker, I feel like I'm gonna 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.400 do it. I just don't know if I really want 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.320 to take that chance of letting him slip by, because 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.200 we know that he's capable of giving you a top 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.039 five season, and slowly but surely he is kind of 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.359 getting back that we have seen old Julio at times 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.840 this year. But yeah, fourteen homers, twenty one steals, two 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.920 sixty two. I wouldn't fault anybody for not wanting to 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.000 take him in the first round, but we're kind of 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.159 getting back to there, especially if he finishes really hot. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.720 I could see him getting there on a consistent basis. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.599 Let's talk Jack Flaherty dominant outing, which has kind of become. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:40.839 What we've been used to this season. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.479 Seven and the third shutout ball with six strikeouts against 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.839 the Guardians Eloud, just four hits for the season as 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.400 a whole. I mean, Jack Flarerty has done some amazing things, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.880 and I want to shout out your co host Ryan Bloomfield, 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.839 who was one of the people I heard speaking loudest 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.640 about Jack Flarerty in the preseason. A two eighty six 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.000 c ra a one zero one whip. He is second 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.960 among all qualified starters in strike up minus walk rate 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.640 it's second in Sierra. I don't know what to do 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.120 with him for next season though, because we've seen two 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.760 good years from Flarity out of like seven. Are you 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.480 gonna trust him heading in the next year, because I 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.120 think at this point, like obviously somebody I trust implicitly 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.160 this season, but once the year changes over, you never 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.280 really know what's gonna happen. If they're a six month layoff. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.760 Is Flerity somebody that can be trusted as an SP 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.160 one or an SP two next season? 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.440 You think? I think as an SP two potentially. I'm 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.640 terrified of SP one with him. He's got quite the 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.640 injury history, like there's no denying that, and even the 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.600 back was an issue off and on this season, so 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.680 there are some of those lingering concerns. We've seen him 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.480 pitch really well before when he's been healthy with the Cardinals. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.760 We've also seen the opposite side of that spectrum, which 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.920 we could probably get at any moment. So and the 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.320 free agent where's he gonna land? That's a big piece 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.440 of the puzzle as well. I think you could draft 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:54.960 him as an SP two, like in a perfect roll, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.080 I'd like SP three. He won't be there as an 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.800 SP three. He'll be gone before that. So if you're 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.760 a even what he's doing, which this is who he 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.440 can be. If he stays healthy, there's no denying that, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.400 then he is worthy of an SP two. It's just 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:07.840 there is a lot of risk with one of your 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.400 top end fantasy pitchers if you take the chance. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.960 Yeah, location is gonna be big. If he goes back 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.640 to the Dodgers, that'll obviously be probably the best case. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.160 I'd hate it. I'd hate it, so yeah, go for it. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:18.920 That was a Giants fan. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.360 If you guys, we're aware, but that statement probably does 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.520 make you aware of it. I don't know if I'm 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.440 gonna want to, Like I've been a huge fan of his, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.440 but I don't know if I really want to touch 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.240 him where he's probably gonna be going, which is top fifty, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:34.640 top seventy five picks overall. Probably, I just it makes 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.360 me nervous, it really does. I feel like I'm probably 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.720 gonna do it once or twice. Because we are volume players, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.240 Bubba and I, we're gonna probably do how many teams 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:43.880 you have this year twenty or so, fifteen. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.880 Twenty, it's like twenty's gonna go with that To keep 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.240 his seat twentieth. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.400 So we'll have one or two shares maybe, but. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.520 Oh I will have some flairity, Yes you are, yeah, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:54.079 I will. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.199 Just investing consistently. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.800 As an SP one SP two, You're gonna need some 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.839 security around him. You're gonna need a Logan web but 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.000 George Kirby or somebody who can really eat a lot 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.800 of innings, And that's a pretty sure thing if you 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.000 are going to take that chance pretty early on Flarty. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.240 Moving on to Michael Waka, who I mean, this is 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.199 the third straight year, but but where he's been really, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.760 really good. It was seven innings of shutout Paul yesterday. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.600 Not a cupcake matchup either. Against the Twins. He struck 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.120 out seven, allowed just four hits, three point thirty four 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.760 ERA one eighteen whip. Considering where people drafted him, he's 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.080 a huge, huge. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:24.560 Win this season. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.400 Is he somebody now that like, after three straight years 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.280 of roughly a three and a half ERA, can we 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.280 say that Waka's trustable as like an SP three and 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.040 SP four. The numbers below the surface are not great. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.559 That's why I kind of questioned it. The strikeouts aren't amazing, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.959 The eer estimators leave something to be desired. How much 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.600 do you trust Michael Waka going forward? 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.160 I trust him quite a bit. Talked about him on 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.240 the First Pitch Pod last night that this start was amazing. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.560 It's just the consistency he brings. You mentioned three straight years. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.439 I thought the dude was like Adam Wayne Wright's age. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.800 He's thirty three years old. He's not even that old yet. Like, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.520 there's a lot to be had with Waka. And one 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.480 thing I found very very impressive to me, just to 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.400 give the big example of his consistency of late, he 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.280 has allowed three year in runs or less in nineteen 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.440 of his last twenty starts. That is like something you 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.440 can just trust. Now it's ninety nine k's and one 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.400 hundred and thirteen and eight and so yeah, it's still 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.160 not bad. That's not bad, but it's not like the 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.840 k Perandian type guys are better that you want. At 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.880 the same time, man, if you could if your first 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.360 two pitchers are just like Wheeler and like Cease or 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.560 something that strikes out everybody, and then you bring this 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.800 this ratio machine behind you that's actually getting wins also 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.520 because he's pitching deep into games like and I could 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.520 have probably gone farther there's probably like twenty seven or 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.640 like twenty nine starts or something, but nineteen of his 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.560 last twenty three year rounds or less. That is a 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.160 model of consistency that should not be ignored. And I 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.480 just want to give him his props, and I'm glad 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.640 he's on the outline today because a lot of us 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.480 I think, just look at him, go it's walk he's boring, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.240 which he is. He's very boring, there's no denying that. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.680 But when it comes to fantasy, boring can be beautiful, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:52.720 and this is very beautiful. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.000 Yeah, sometimes we get caught up in the hot new 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.959 toy always. You know, I gotta take this guy in 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:58.360 the second round, and he's gonna win my. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:10:59.000 League or whatever. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.680 A lot of us it is those boring players, you know, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.280 Seth Lugo and another guy who was a boring guy 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.720 coming of the year. He's gonna win a lot of 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.200 leagues just because of you know, that late price really 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.599 returning great value. And it's the same thing with Waka. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.000 It's not always the guys that get pushed up that 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.679 win your leagues, right. Sometimes it's a lot of the 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.839 time it's those guys going between one hundred and pick 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.319 two hundred or so even later that can really return 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.520 this crazy value like Waka hasn't. I feel like going 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.480 in the next year, he'll kind of be a fade again. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.760 People are gonna just do what I did. You say, Okay, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.360 the strikeouts aren't great. You know, the ex fips and 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.600 seers of the world are all right, but they're not amazing. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.480 And he might be somebody where you can get him 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.000 at a bit of a discount and, like Bubba said, 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.080 pretty safe in terms of the ratios if you've got 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.760 your strikeouts squared away. Speaking of strikeout squared away, let's 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.120 talk to Edward Cabrera. Seven innings against the Phillies yesterday, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.719 six strikeouts. I don't know what to make of Edward 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.559 Cabrera as usual, because we see starts like this against 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.040 a team like the Phillies, but we also see hot 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:55.719 garbage from him a lot of the time, and the 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.080 inconsistency is really what makes him almost impossible to use. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.840 I've always been a big fan of Verrier Cabrera. There's 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.080 been some positive signs this season, but is there any 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.880 way we can trust him at this point? I feel 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.600 like I want to see that command get a lot better. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.760 But what are your thoughts on Edwarg Cabrera going forward, Bubba. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.840 This is the problem with him is the talent is undeniable, 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.760 the consistency is not the command is not. Well. What 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.600 we saw on this start was it one walk, two 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.120 walks something like that over seven innings. The last four 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.880 starts has been three and runs or less for Edrick 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.520 Cabrera with like twenty k's over twenty three innings, but 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.200 eight walks. So pick your poison there. But we have 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.320 seen signs of life of late. It's one of those guys. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.920 It's worth gambling on late in drafts if you want 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.560 to streams or like. He always looks to be a 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.440 good stream. But the headache is there because the the 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.840 you know, the opposite side can take place, as we've seen, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.839 but the talent's on the niabil And so when we 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.880 see this kind of stuff, it reels you back in 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.079 every time. I'll still be interested, I'll have a few shares, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.200 but it's just one of those things like because if 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.319 he ever figures it out command wise, dude's gonna be ridiculous. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.320 It's just we haven't seen that yet. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.000 He could have like a Dylan Seas type of curve 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.040 potentially where you see these thirty and ten guys thirty 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.199 percent strikeout rate, ten percent walk grade or the talent's 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.560 there and it's just a matter of figuring out that command. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.480 And I feel like he could reach those kind of 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.800 Dylancy's levels if you had a seven or eight percent 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.920 walk grade. But that's asking a lot at this point 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:16.199 in time. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:17.240 Still going to be interested. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.599 I'll always be interested in Edward Cabrera because he's just 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:20.480 one of those guys for me. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:21.960 It's kind of like Tyler McGill. I just I don't 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:22.199 know why. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.440 There's something about them, certain pitchers that you just kind 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:25.120 of get interested in. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:25.839 He's one of them for me. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.560 But the inconsistency is still a problem at this point. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.440 Let's talk about a couple hitters starting in my neck 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.080 of the woods in Toronto. Spencer Horwoods had a hell 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.520 of a weekend. It went six for seven with three homers, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.520 four runs scored, and five ribbies. Been the top seventy 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.160 five player over the last month, hitting two seventy eighteen 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.559 runs and fourteen RBIs with seven homers. I've really become 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.880 more interested in Spencer Horwitz. I didn't think there was 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.920 all that much there really earlier on. But he gets 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.720 the ball very hard. You know, he's playing most of 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.600 the time. He's usually in the third to fifth spot 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.280 in the Blue Jays order. What's your interest levels of 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.600 season and also heading into next year. Is Horward's gonna 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.439 be somebody that you're targeting as a as a middle 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:05.400 corner infield guy. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.640 I'm very interested. I know I in DC's I took 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.800 some weight shares of him because we saw the bat 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.720 skills were great. It's just a million dollar question of 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:14.720 where's he gonna play. I think it is util only 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.040 also and to start the season in NBC. But he's 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.160 getting the playing time. It's looking good. You're the JAS guys. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:22.840 That's something that we can expect next year. If that's 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.480 the case, I'm interested as a late round pick at least. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.320 I'm not going to target him as like my starting 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.200 first baseman. But he's got corner infield viability. He's a 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.240 good bench bat. I just don't know what the playing 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:32.840 time looks. 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.160 Like for sure for the Blue Jays. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.960 I don't know that any spot on the roster outside 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.960 of first base with lot is really guaranteed to anybody 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.320 next year. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.160 If our show is going to be around. Kirk's probably 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:43.800 gonna be around. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.200 There's gonna be a lot of playing time, though, and 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.360 considering what Horwitz is done, he can play second, he 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.120 can play first. I mean, he has pretty good play 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.880 skills ten percent walk right, seventeen on the strikeout rate. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.640 He hits the ball pretty hard. I think he's gonna 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.640 be around. I think he's gonna be somebody that does 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.000 have some interest. Plus, after half a season is one 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.760 thirty five, it's a lot better than you'd probably expect. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.200 I'm gonna have some interest here. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.160 You also have to acknowledge that the Blue Jays lineup 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.800 is going to probably be a bit of a dumpster 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.880 fire next season, so counting stat's gonna be a little 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.640 bit tricky. I don't expect many stolen bases, but just 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.640 as a corner to middle infield option that pick two 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.800 fifty or so in the draft, like, he's gonna be 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.960 pretty interesting if he even gets that far, because his 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.680 recent stretch might push him up a little bit. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:25.200 One more guy to. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.000 Talk about here in the headlines, and that's Cedric Mullins. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.600 He had a home run over the weekend against the 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.240 Rays and it's kind of snuck up on me that 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.720 he's turned the season around over the last month, hitting 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.560 three to zero two with three homers and seven stolen bases. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.280 As a whole, it's been pretty inconsistent, and I do 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.600 feel like eventually he'll be pushed out of playing time, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.160 just based on all the youngsters they got to fit 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.400 into the lineup there. But it hasn't been a terrible 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.640 season for Mullins fifteen homers, twenty six stolen bases, only 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.680 hitting two thirty four, But generally speaking, it hasn't been 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.520 a terrible year for him. It's been a better year 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.960