WEBVTT - A Little House 50th Anniversary Special!

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<v Speaker 1>The fiftieth was coming. Ah, that's gonna be gay on. Hi, Glennis.

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<v Speaker 2>We are back after a year of Wilder finishing releasing

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<v Speaker 2>all of its episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>Emily, we're back. It's been a year since Wilder was

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<v Speaker 3>released into the wild, and it's been two years since

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<v Speaker 3>we were on the road, and three weeks from now

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<v Speaker 3>is the fiftieth anniversary of the television show premiering on NBC.

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<v Speaker 3>So we thought it would be a really fun time

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<v Speaker 3>to reconnect and sort of look back on our whole

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<v Speaker 3>podcast making experience and reflect on it and also give

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<v Speaker 3>you guys some of the outtakes that didn't make it

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<v Speaker 3>into the final podcast. Okay, So Emily, Hi, Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>This year because the original premiere of Little House came

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<v Speaker 2>out in March. As you heard Alison say at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of this show, they're having past reunions, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at all the different locations of the houses.

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<v Speaker 1>We felt left out.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to have our own little reunion, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>missing our fearless executive producer, Joe Piazza because she is

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<v Speaker 2>off on her own other adventure or road trip or something,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what, somewhere, but she does have a little

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<v Speaker 2>message for you, so we just wanted to play.

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<v Speaker 4>That, Hey'll, I miss you. I miss being on the

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<v Speaker 4>road with you. I actually can't believe that it's been

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<v Speaker 4>a year since we made this podcast. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 4>because I've been on the road again, traveling on book

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<v Speaker 4>tour for the Sicilian Inheritance, and every single place that

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<v Speaker 4>I go all over the country, people ask me about

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<v Speaker 4>the Wilder podcast, and people have their own stories of

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<v Speaker 4>Laura Ingalls Wilder and how much she touched them and

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<v Speaker 4>how much she inspired them. It just reminds me how

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<v Speaker 4>big Laura looms in our collective American imaginations and our mythologies.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a force. Look, no one has forgotten Laura, but

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<v Speaker 4>I do feel that we got to kind of bring

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<v Speaker 4>her back into the zeitgeist and get people talking about

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<v Speaker 4>her about the good, the bad, the ugly, the inspirational

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<v Speaker 4>in a way that I really think she would have appreciated.

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<v Speaker 4>I miss it. I miss you, guys. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>go watch some Michael Landon taking off his shirt and crying.

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<v Speaker 5>Now it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>On my phone in the last few weeks comes up

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<v Speaker 3>the photo memories and can you believe it was more

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<v Speaker 3>than two years ago? We were on the road for

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast. It keeps sending me photos of us and

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<v Speaker 3>just met South Dakota with you, like with the mics

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<v Speaker 3>and us standing in front of the cottonwood trees and

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<v Speaker 3>at the pageant.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm like, wow, it's already been a year.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I realized, no, it's already been two years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and then realizing like, the podcast has been out for

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<v Speaker 3>over a year, which is amazing because it feels like

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<v Speaker 3>another lifetime that it came out. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>that's just the news cycle we've been living in America

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<v Speaker 3>this year, but it feels like wildly distant and it

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<v Speaker 3>was even though it was such a huge undertaking and

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<v Speaker 3>such like a joyful undertaking. I don't know. Does it

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<v Speaker 3>feel like that to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it feels like there's two separate timelines, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was the making of the podcast and then the releasing

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast. Everything we talked about has been so relevant

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<v Speaker 2>in the past year with the crazy news cycle. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not it really a day that goes by that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think about all of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw and discussed in the entire show.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like the more distance we get from this

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<v Speaker 3>podcast the prouder I am of it. It's such a

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<v Speaker 3>monumental undertaking and how fortunate we were to drive around

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<v Speaker 3>the country and be in all those different places. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>this is basically we're doing a fiftieth annivers three Little

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<v Speaker 3>House in the Prairie TV Show special episode, and also

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<v Speaker 3>just congratulating ourselves on a podcast that we really read of.

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<v Speaker 2>And on that note, just speaking of the road and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of everything that initially surprised us. As you can

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<v Speaker 2>imagine listeners, there is so so many more hours of

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<v Speaker 2>tape than what you actually heard go into the show.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the sad parts when you're making this

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<v Speaker 2>as some of your favorite characters and your favorite places

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<v Speaker 2>we went to or things that we learned just couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make it into the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I was always the one being like, can we slide

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<v Speaker 3>this in? Can we slide that in? And you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is one episode. It cannot be four hours long

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<v Speaker 3>because a you recorded everything on the road, Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>not an easy thing to always have everything miked for

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<v Speaker 3>hours every day, but like, we got so much good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think first I really wanted to do

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<v Speaker 2>justice to all of the people in the towns who

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<v Speaker 2>are benefiting off of Laura tourism, whether that's being dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to managing the houses, or running the pageants, or even

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<v Speaker 2>just like the people who run the restaurants and the

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<v Speaker 2>cafes in this town that yeah, they owe a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the most of their revenue in the summer probably

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<v Speaker 2>to Laura tourism. And talking to them, it always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of astounded me that they weren't sick of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't that you know, you saw like these usually

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<v Speaker 2>generations of like mothers and children and you know, family

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<v Speaker 2>businesses of people that were just really dedicated to the cause.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was one good example of that in

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<v Speaker 2>Pepen Lake Pepin and Wisconsin, the town which was a

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<v Speaker 2>cute little vacation town and was.

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<v Speaker 3>The first place where we really began to understand that

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<v Speaker 3>people who lived in these places but weren't necessarily working

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<v Speaker 3>directly with the houses all had positive feelings about little

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<v Speaker 3>House and Laura and what and what her legacy had

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<v Speaker 3>brought to the town, which I thought was interesting because

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<v Speaker 3>I could see a possibility of or the potential to

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<v Speaker 3>be sort of resentful or tired of her. And meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>I think everybody loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Our very first stop was this amazing cafe, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was where we learned to just start asking everyone what

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<v Speaker 2>they thought of Laura. This is one of our initial

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with people to just get a sense of how

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<v Speaker 2>the books and living in a place that where Laura

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<v Speaker 2>lived has impacted their lives and their business. And the

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<v Speaker 2>name of this cafe is the Homemade Cafe. Just to

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<v Speaker 2>give them a.

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<v Speaker 1>Shot if you are ever they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They had they had great pie, amazing pie.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh they had the best pie.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, good, good, awesome, she's awesome show.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just curious that how much how many people through

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<v Speaker 6>here for the house, for the for the to get

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<v Speaker 6>it a lot?

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<v Speaker 7>How do you even estimate?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, a lot, it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>Then I have a sticker on the green sticker it

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<v Speaker 7>says I was hit Laura's or something like that.

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<v Speaker 6>And then they got that museum down here, so I said,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, usually they'll go water the other and then have.

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<v Speaker 7>You been at the museum.

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<v Speaker 3>We're cutted there.

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<v Speaker 5>We came here first.

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<v Speaker 7>That's awesome. And I told them to go down by

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<v Speaker 7>the lake. Yeah, it's beautiful here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So did you grow up like surrounded by Laura

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<v Speaker 3>that you were aware of her for ever forever.

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<v Speaker 7>I read those books I read when I read them

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<v Speaker 7>when I was Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did you ever read them?

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<v Speaker 1>That you ever read those books?

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<v Speaker 3>And did you watch the TV show?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yes, I've never missed it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, did you too?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, my mom always watched it, so and my granddaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about Morgan's Yeah, it was wed.

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<v Speaker 6>And the people you get here would like is it

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<v Speaker 6>sort of an international crowd and definitely yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yes, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>All over, I said, a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 6>You we have the wedding wedding venues here too. We

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<v Speaker 6>have two big wedding venues, so I said, we get

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<v Speaker 6>it from all over?

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<v Speaker 3>Really, Oh yeah, is this like a vacation, not a

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<v Speaker 3>like a it's more of a tourist It kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of shuts down in the winter.

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<v Speaker 7>Now it's a tourist destination. It never used to be,

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<v Speaker 7>never used to be. It is now we have a

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<v Speaker 7>tourism board.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, is that because of Laura or Hartley?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure in the wedding venues, did you guys like,

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<v Speaker 7>what did you love about Laura?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you ever feel like suffocated by her?

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<v Speaker 3>It's just sort of a reality.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, I.

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<v Speaker 8>Loved it, but all of it. I love the books.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just like the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>How they made.

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<v Speaker 7>It through all those tough times, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 7>they were very close family. Yeah, you know that's hard anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have that a lot anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>Does the Mississippi Freeze is pet Lake Pepin Freeze?

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<v Speaker 3>It does because that's the end of the opening of

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<v Speaker 3>the house and the pairs they're going across.

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<v Speaker 5>The frozen water. It exactly does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And when we were driving down but we were

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<v Speaker 1>all remarking.

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<v Speaker 3>On how much bigger Mississippi appears when you're driving beside it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then maybe it's huge, Yeah, and pretty fast flowing, I think, right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, to drive across there with just pantrified.

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<v Speaker 3>Used to drive across the across here to say thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for speaking with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a terrible voice.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you have an amazing voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Not when it recorded.

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<v Speaker 7>That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've made a career of making pods.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciated, you know, going to these pageants, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>them putting on these big shows and like the kids

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<v Speaker 2>from the town playing out scenes from the book, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes a mix between the book and the TV show

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<v Speaker 2>but there was also uh like fun little communities that

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<v Speaker 2>we encountered, Like, I mean, we are just coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Olympics, and my favorite thing in the world

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<v Speaker 2>is like the more niche sports like archery, artistic swimming,

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<v Speaker 2>these things. I would say, like the Mansfield Fiddle Off

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<v Speaker 2>was my delightful, little like niche performance competition of the

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<v Speaker 2>road trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning to y'all, and welcome up to the fiddle

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<v Speaker 3>off contest here.

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<v Speaker 6>It's gonna be here out most of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember in the fiddle competition, there was like the there

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<v Speaker 2>was the tiny category, and then like the junior category,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the adults. And I just remember must have

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<v Speaker 2>been like a eight or nine year old girl going

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<v Speaker 2>up there and just slighing, just killing.

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<v Speaker 3>All, just owned the whole competition. And also people had

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<v Speaker 3>driven I mean, Mansfield's not that close to anything except Springfield,

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<v Speaker 3>but like people had driven distances to come there and compete.

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<v Speaker 3>These people were serious about their fiddle talents, which they

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<v Speaker 3>should be. They were incredible. Mansfield was delightful. When I

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<v Speaker 3>chase that guy across the back to across the field

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<v Speaker 3>who was carrying pause fiddle, I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>what is it like? To hold pause, fiddle. You're just

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<v Speaker 3>wandering around like the most valuable and a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people's lives, a lot a lot of you think it's

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<v Speaker 3>worth emotionally priceless. I don't think you could put a

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<v Speaker 3>price on Yeah, that's a terrible like I can't even

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<v Speaker 3>grasp painting.

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<v Speaker 6>It was also.

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<v Speaker 3>Thinking of remember when we were in Burr Oak and

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<v Speaker 3>they had the competition of the A. Laura and Almonso competition,

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<v Speaker 3>uh costume competition, but that people who won it was

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<v Speaker 3>almost like a Miss America set up, like people who

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<v Speaker 3>won had responsibilities of visiting schools like it was and

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<v Speaker 3>bur Oak isn't even it is so tiny, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>even incorporated, Like it's literally like a postage stamp of

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<v Speaker 3>a handful of buildings, and they held this competition and

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<v Speaker 3>had really serious responsibilities to it. I just, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>should be in the Olympics. Maybe we should, like, if

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna put break Dance in the Olympics, we should just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, petition the Olympics to consider our little house contests.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. The other thing that I still can't get

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<v Speaker 2>over about the road trip is we covered so much

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<v Speaker 2>ground just going from Wisconsin to Minnesota to South Dakota,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we ended up going over to Wyoming just

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<v Speaker 2>to take in that stretch of the Americana of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the first time I had seen that

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<v Speaker 2>part of the country. And besides just being wowed by

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<v Speaker 2>the bad lands, like I think, I just said wow

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<v Speaker 2>the entire time we were driving through it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first time that it really hit me

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<v Speaker 2>that I had only seen mythology of America, like almost

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<v Speaker 2>have only seen like the bastardization of it in old

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<v Speaker 2>Westerns and all of that, and I had never seen

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<v Speaker 2>the actual thing. And you realized, why, oh, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>that is so amazing. I get why rich, greedy white

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<v Speaker 2>men just like wanted to destroy this place and make

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<v Speaker 2>money off of it. But it is and which it's tragic,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is some of the most beautiful places I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 3>America is incredible. And I mean, again, going back to

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<v Speaker 3>driving across it, I think we so many Americans and

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<v Speaker 3>so many people around the world are sort of fed

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<v Speaker 3>the postcard version of it that becomes so familiar in

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<v Speaker 3>two dimensional and sometimes a caricature, that when you actually

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<v Speaker 3>go there, to any of these places, it is gobsmackingly

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful and powerful, and you're like, oh, it is an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible country and it is gobsmacking and breathtaking and seeing

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<v Speaker 3>it firsthand feels so necessary to me actually.

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<v Speaker 2>And smack dab in the middle of that. After you

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<v Speaker 2>get out of the bad Lands, you get like a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit cartoonish Disneyland Old West location. Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell everyone about Waldrug? Which is maybe the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm most disappointed couldn't make it into the show,

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<v Speaker 2>because there wasn't really right.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget that Waldrug didn't make it. So the first

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<v Speaker 3>time I went to Waldrug was the first time I

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<v Speaker 3>went to Waldrug was in two thousand and two, before

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet, and the way I came to it was

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<v Speaker 3>west to east. And for Waldrug, there's all these hand

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<v Speaker 3>painted billboards for miles and miles and miles saying like

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<v Speaker 3>come to Waldrug, five cent coffee, come to Waldrug, all

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<v Speaker 3>these things, and so the build up is so extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>and you pull in and it's just this like wild

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<v Speaker 3>caricature of a wild West town with all these buildings

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<v Speaker 3>and like kitchy stuff and that crazy dining room and

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<v Speaker 3>it's sort of the entryway to rapid city, which has

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of that same vibe to it, that very

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<v Speaker 3>like Mount Rushmore kitchiness that is very, very very American.

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<v Speaker 3>And also in all it's the Las Vegas of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the wild West and with all the problems that come

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<v Speaker 3>with that.

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<v Speaker 5>You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you go from Wall Drug which it does

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the Disneyland of rest stops, like it literally

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<v Speaker 2>has animatronics and if you go into the gift shop

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's a glass wall and behind it is animatronics

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<v Speaker 2>of just old like Western Western men, just like play

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<v Speaker 2>in banjo and singing a song.

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<v Speaker 3>When I say it's so American, it's like it's both

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<v Speaker 3>the what we talked about, like the extreme breathtaking beauty

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<v Speaker 3>and openness and possibility and history and also the worst

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<v Speaker 3>of America in terms of the extermination, the attempted extermination

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<v Speaker 3>of Native Americans, of the Buffalo, of the natural wonders,

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<v Speaker 3>and also the overlayer of you know that that kitch,

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of Las Vegas, but the West kitch and

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<v Speaker 3>so's it holds both of these things which are both

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<v Speaker 3>or all of these things which are all so American

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<v Speaker 3>in the same place. And I think that is the

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<v Speaker 3>real intensity and magic of it. And I don't mean

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<v Speaker 3>magic in sort of like a frivolous way. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>like deep magic of being out there and to some extent,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think speaks to the enduring a peal

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<v Speaker 3>of Little House because she's holding all of those things

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<v Speaker 3>in the book at the same time too.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your feelings coming up on the fiftieth anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>and your fiftieth birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel great about turning fifty. There's something very charming

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<v Speaker 3>for me and having the fiftieth anniverse, Like the show

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<v Speaker 3>premiered one week after I was born, and so there's

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<v Speaker 3>something delightful to me about having it. It's always existed,

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<v Speaker 3>but like it's always been around, and I just think, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's both a short period of time and such a

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<v Speaker 3>long period of time. I just had this memory of

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<v Speaker 3>remember when we got to Desmet and we were in

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<v Speaker 3>the B and B, and I hadn't watched the show,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we've been so heavy in prep that I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>seen the show in a while. Remember when we turned

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<v Speaker 3>it on the TV when we were in the B

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<v Speaker 3>and B, and like we're immediately engaged with it, Like

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<v Speaker 3>immediately our heads whipped around and we were pulled in

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just a reminder, like it was such a

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<v Speaker 3>good show. We talked about all the problems with it

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<v Speaker 3>as problems with everything but ban the music.

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<v Speaker 4>Pah.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the surprise takeaways for us, anyway, when we

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<v Speaker 3>started doing our interviews for this podcast, which we did

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<v Speaker 3>so many interviews before we went out on the road,

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<v Speaker 3>was how many of the people who loved the book

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<v Speaker 3>and had written about the book and were scholars of

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<v Speaker 3>the book disliked the TV show and primarily disliked Michael Landon,

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<v Speaker 3>which I thought was fascinating because obviously we talked about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved both, but Michael Landon in particular seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be po His version of paw Ingles seemed to be

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<v Speaker 3>a flashpoint for a number of people.

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<v Speaker 9>I never liked the series ever, because it didn't look right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Michael Landon obviously looks nothing like Pa.

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<v Speaker 7>It was so clearly an ego project for him that

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<v Speaker 7>I just never liked it.

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<v Speaker 10>I actually didn't like it because it was so different

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<v Speaker 10>paw In Like, I was like, who is this clean shaven?

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<v Speaker 5>I just phoned Michael Landon. I just could not relate

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<v Speaker 5>to him. And plus they never moved out of walnut growth.

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<v Speaker 5>They completely eliminated South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, he's such a kind of preening presence in

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<v Speaker 10>a way that I think would have been horri fine

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<v Speaker 10>to Laura Ingles Wild. I think she would have been

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<v Speaker 10>dumbstruck at that portrayal of her beloved father.

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<v Speaker 2>Lover hate. What Landon did with Charles Ingalls, like Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Landon is one of the main reasons that everything still persists.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>The TV show gave the books a whole new life

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<v Speaker 2>and continues to do so because it's on TV all

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<v Speaker 2>the freaking time.

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<v Speaker 3>And to my atten delight, Yeah, yeah, why it's been

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<v Speaker 3>on my mind is Tim Watz, the VP candidate with

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Is. He's not from man He's not from Mancato,

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<v Speaker 3>but he spent He's from Nebraska, but he spent most

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<v Speaker 3>of his adult life in Mankato before becoming governor. Which,

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<v Speaker 3>as people who listen to the podcast know, there's an

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<v Speaker 3>entire episode where we're primarily in man Cato, and people

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<v Speaker 3>who watch the television show know that they're always going

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<v Speaker 3>to man Cato to buy something or sell something or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the wagon falls off the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>And someone almost dies and like Mary's glasses set the

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<v Speaker 3>whole place on fire, like Mankato figures into this as

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<v Speaker 3>a destination. But as I was thinking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Rebecca Tracer, who was on the podcast, wrote a piece

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<v Speaker 3>for New York Magazine recently about the different versions of

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<v Speaker 3>masculinity the Republicans are providing and the Democrats are providing

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<v Speaker 3>and talking about sort of the Tim Waltz masculinity, and

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<v Speaker 3>in some ways it really reminded me of the Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Landon version of masculinity. Not that Tim Waaltz is taking

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<v Speaker 3>off his shirt and like glossing up his pecks or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>but like the masculinity the ability to be to provide

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<v Speaker 3>an idea of masculinity that also allows for emotion and sensitivity.

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<v Speaker 3>And Michael Landon's paw ingles was like, as we know

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<v Speaker 3>and have discussed, was crying in nearly every episode as

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<v Speaker 3>like a show of strength.

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<v Speaker 5>And it really.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because the show itself, I think appealed in

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<v Speaker 3>its day to conservative groups, and we know Ronald Reagan

0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.760
<v Speaker 3>it was his favorite show, but we're obviously in a

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<v Speaker 3>much different time of what who and what gets to

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<v Speaker 3>find as conservative And I was just like there's something

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<v Speaker 3>a little tim Waltzy about Michael Landon's Paw Ingles and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe vice versa, and it seems like it just struck

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<v Speaker 3>me as so interesting, especially with the like man Cato connection,

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<v Speaker 3>So MU should write that the Mancato connection of Charles

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<v Speaker 3>of Paw, of Michael Landon's Charles Ingles and Governor Tim

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<v Speaker 3>Waltz running for VP.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've got our finger on the pulse with

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<v Speaker 2>this one. And I think with the anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 2>TV show and Tim Waltz, maybe there's maybe there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole other season here, six Degrees of Separation, just man

0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Cato edition. Well, in honor of the Vivia the anniversary,

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<v Speaker 2>we did just want to bring you some more snippets

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<v Speaker 2>of conversations we had with the cast that all of

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 2>them were completely amazing, like exceeded all expectations. Also will

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<v Speaker 2>shout out all of their books if you have. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a fan of the TV show even a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend especially Alison Aringram's book. But with Alison Aringram,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we talked to her for well over an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're thinking of iconic Nelly Olsen episode, a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan favorite, that we didn't really talk at all

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<v Speaker 2>about in our TV episode is Bunny Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>That I love that episode, Oh Bunny.

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<v Speaker 2>We did talk to Melissa and Alison about the making

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<v Speaker 2>of that episode and people's reactions to it, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to play some of those clips side by side,

0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and I love hearing them talking about it because that's

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<v Speaker 2>where you can also hear their deep friendship come through.

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Melissa Gilbert and Alison Aringram, despite being very believable enemies

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.640
<v Speaker 2>on screen, are the best of friends, and it delights

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<v Speaker 2>me every time they talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you hear about the most And what was

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<v Speaker 3>your favorite episode of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Bunny where I go down the hill in the wheelchair?

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<v Speaker 9>I hear about Bunny and the race. People really dig

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<v Speaker 9>the wheelchair push down the hill.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only time my mother walked into the family

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<v Speaker 3>room and said Laura seems mean and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>Laura's amazing, and my mother said, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 3>was a nice thing to do and then exited the room.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, Laura was pushed to the brink, but I did

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<v Speaker 9>pretend to be paralyzed and ruin everyone's life.

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<v Speaker 1>In most episodes, Nellie does things to ruin Laura's life

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<v Speaker 1>and make her miserable. But in Bunny's the only episode

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<v Speaker 1>Nelly's insane behavior actually impact everyone. So, yeah, she has

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<v Speaker 1>it common. She has it common.

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<v Speaker 9>And I'll tell you Alison got her revenge many years ago.

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<v Speaker 9>I had to go in for a colonoscope and she

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<v Speaker 9>took me, and when it was over, they wouldn't let

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<v Speaker 9>me walk out of the surgery center. I had to

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<v Speaker 9>go out in a wheelchair and she pushed it, and

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<v Speaker 9>she kept threatening to shove me down a number of

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<v Speaker 9>different hills that day, even though I didn't. I said, I,

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<v Speaker 9>you know something I fault.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't write it. Tell them people let me do that.

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<v Speaker 9>The other thing I hear about a lot too, is

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<v Speaker 9>the mud fight. People like a lot when Alison and

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<v Speaker 9>I got physical.

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<v Speaker 3>We hear that from a lot of fans, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was having girls express sort of like complicated

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 3>emotions to each other and that jealousy and competition, which

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<v Speaker 3>felt very recognizable at that age.

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<v Speaker 9>I think the other thing that that informed those those performances,

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<v Speaker 9>and maybe the audience was getting it subliminal, subliminally, was

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<v Speaker 9>that we really loved each other dearly. And I've always said,

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 9>you know, you don't really have to necessarily get along

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<v Speaker 9>all that well with someone you're doing a love scene with,

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<v Speaker 9>but boy, you have to love and trust the person

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<v Speaker 9>you're doing a fight scene with.

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<v Speaker 1>We thought it was so funny because we bonded right away,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the idea that regularly every few episodes we'd

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<v Speaker 1>hate each other in the face was like, it's awesome, Like, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, fight scene coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was funny because like the very first fight scene,

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<v Speaker 1>they were very careful and there was a stunt girl

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<v Speaker 1>to do one of the falls so I wouldn't hit

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<v Speaker 1>my head. And then but like after that they went

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.439
<v Speaker 1>and we pretty much were choreographic our own fights and

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.159
<v Speaker 1>they just didn't need stunts for that. The mud fights

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>all us, they're stunk with that, the famous mud fight.

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>They're like, yeah, you guys got this whatever, and they're

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 1>just like, do do whatever the hell you want to do.

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>And we did, and we had so much fun, and

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>we thought it was so funny to play these mortal

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>enemies and do all this terrible stuff. And then but

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>it was weird because these scenes right me saying things

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:53.959
<v Speaker 1>and she's crying. It's like and we're going out for

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>slurpees later.

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<v Speaker 2>Other favorite actor to just learn more about her story

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 2>was Karen Grassley and how her she as a person

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>was so polar opposite of Caroline Ingles, and she was

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 2>part part of the free sex movement. She was in Berkeley,

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.360
<v Speaker 2>she was an actor, she was like on these things.

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.399
<v Speaker 2>And also I think if you read her book, which

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>which I highly recommend, she talks about her entire life

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>and if you have any interest in you know, sixties

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>arts and counterculture, definitely read it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was not progressive where Caroline Ingles was. And

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it's interesting though, because I don't know. I mean,

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 3>she played the character that was written for her on

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 3>a show that was huge, but ilo The Waltons were

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 3>on at the same time, and the mother in The Waltons,

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 3>that character was much more feminist, you know she And

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 3>so that is one of the major issues with Michael

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Landon was he was open minded in so many ways,

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.199
<v Speaker 3>but not about grown women. It's just worth pointing that

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<v Speaker 3>out because I think she was in a tough position

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<v Speaker 3>of making those decisions as a working actor to get

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 3>that show that sets you up for life and allows

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of choices.

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<v Speaker 8>The little Woman had never been my goal, and so

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 8>there were times when the choices offered to Carolyn in

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 8>the script wrinkled. Let me give you an example, and

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 8>this is not at all a criticism. This is just

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 8>an example of how Michael knew his vision and he

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 8>knew what he wanted and in fact was well connected

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 8>to his audience. Early on. This is Carolyn has the

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 8>scene in the morning of finishing those braids and getting

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 8>those scrambled eggs on, and packing those lunches and rescuing

0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 8>the three year old who's climbing up the stairs and

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 8>keeping her from putting her hands by the fire, and

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 8>finally the girls have their coats on and their little

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 8>lunches and they're going out the door. And my reaction was, oh,

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 8>thank goodness we did. And Michael said, no, you look

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 8>out the door, you watch them going, and you smile

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 8>because they're so lovely. And that's what we did. So

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 8>there were times when I couldn't influence what I believed

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 8>about the hard work that a mother does, that a

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 8>woman cooking on a fire does, But as much as

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 8>I could, I tried to influence the way the writers

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 8>would see her, and I was happy that in the

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 8>end many of them got it. They got it?

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 3>What are your favorite episodes with respect to them getting

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 3>it well?

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 8>Olsen versus Olsen where the women all go on strike.

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 8>That was our idea a friend of mine and I,

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 8>and she consequently became a staff writer on Little House. Yeah,

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 8>I was very proud that Chris Abbott came on, and

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 8>then I think it was our very close to our

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 8>final show, if not our final show, where Laura and

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 8>I have a nice scene where we acknowledge our contribution

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 8>and she says something like they couldn't have done it

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 8>without us. But you know, I respect also this traditional

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 8>role that women have played, and I mean, for God's sake,

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 8>these women who helped settle the country. They were so strong.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 8>When I read this book called Pioneer Women, it said

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 8>that if a woman at that time lost her husband,

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 8>she just went on. But if a man lost his wife,

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 8>he wrote immediately for a Maile lord a bride because

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 8>he simply could not handle it alone.

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Someone that you might not expect was as bad as

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>in her day as she was because she's so perfect

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and loving and warm on the show is Charlotte Stewart,

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>who was Miss Beetle, and we got to meet her

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 2>in Mansfield pretty much by accident. We were in Mansfield

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>during Wilder days. She was kind of the big guest

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that they had, and she was there to do signings

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and we got invited to a little reception

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>where we got to sit down and speak to her.

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna that is why this tape might be

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>a little noisy, the tape that we're about to play you.

0:30:58.600 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 3>She was delightful.

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Alison Arngrim, You know, she is at all of the

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>conventions and everything. And when she first described to us

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>people's reaction to Charlotte, she said, it's in line. It's

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>men in eraser Head t shirts crying to her and

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 2>telling them how much they loved her as this beetle

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>while they're in their full like David Lynch, get up.

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Because she worked with David Lynch.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 3>She was a favorite of David Lynch. Yeah.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 6>Was it strange in the seventies to be cast.

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 5>As sort of a very tradition and a very traditional

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 5>female role.

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 6>I meanwhile, I was smoking dope at home, yes, and

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 6>then an eraser the movie rape in m I right

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 6>about the eraser Head eraser Head, Yeah.

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.959
<v Speaker 5>Well I was doing it at the same time as

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 5>I did the episode of The Waltons because David Lynch,

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 5>as a student filmmaker, had no bounds on how late

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 5>you worked. You know, we used to shoot all night long.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 5>That's when he preferred to shoot. We'd show up at

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 5>eleven o'clock at night and shoot all night. So I

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 5>would finish at six in the morning, and if I

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 5>had a job, I would have to run home or

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 5>change or something and get to the studio. So it

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 5>happened to be I was doing The Waltons at the time.

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 5>So I came staggering into Warner Brothers where they were shooting,

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 5>and I watched it the other night it was on,

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 5>and I watched it and I thought, oh no, that

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 5>scene is coming on because I could not remember my lines.

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 5>I was so tired and.

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 6>Like playing if you were saying, like playing like a

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 6>traditional misfeto was fairly traditional and then and then, but

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 6>you were like a brown up woman in the seventies,

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 6>an actress in Hollywood. I mean, that just feels like

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm sort of night and day.

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you I was more connected with rock and

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 5>roll than I was Hollywood. I was never very popular

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 5>in Hollywood at the time that I got the part

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 5>I had a clothing store called the Liquid Butterfly. It

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 5>was on Santa Monica Boulevard, and it was rock and

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 5>roll the across across the hall. I was in a

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.479
<v Speaker 5>building on Los Angele called the Pure Thoughts Building, and

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 5>it was the office of Elliott Roberts, who managed Joni Mitchell,

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 5>Neil Young, Crosby Stills, Nashing Young, you know, Jackson Brown.

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 5>So I was in the middle of rock and roll

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 5>for a lot of that time because I was dating

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 5>the agent that managed them all. So I was backstage

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 5>at rock and roll more than I was in Hollywood.

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 5>I never was in Hollywood. I never got invited to

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 5>any Hollywood parties.

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 8>You know.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 5>And then when I got Little House on the Prairie,

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 5>it was like people in Hollywood went, what little House

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 5>on the what? Oh how boring? Well guess what, we're

0:33:55.240 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 5>still on the air. Yeah. Yeah, we got put down

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 5>a lot. Really oh yeah, and we got put down

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 5>a lot.

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>But also because I.

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Mean people still today are like, oh that was so

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 2>wholesome and a little too mushy, but like it tackled.

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.800
<v Speaker 5>Some big issues. And I meet people all the time

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 5>who I remind them of when they used to watch

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.879
<v Speaker 5>the show with their grandparents, you know, and they get

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 5>very emotional. Good.

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 6>We drive to Memphis tomorrow evening and then we're going

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 6>to Graceland Sunday.

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 1>To four hour drive.

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 5>But we flight.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 6>It's hard getting flights back and forth to New.

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 2>York to this area.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 5>I worked with no I did what was that?

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 5>I did a movie called Speedway, and I have been

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 5>a guest at Graceland. It's pretty amazing. It was in

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 5>the sixties. I was expecting something totally different. I thought

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 5>he was going to be this, you know, look me

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 5>up and down and be with his guys. You know,

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 5>it's on trush. Nobody was there. He was by himself.

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 5>Colon Parker wasn't even there. So it was a director

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 5>and me and a girl that was playing his girlfriend

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 5>in the scene. They were in a convertible. They come

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 5>to a drive in and I wait. I'm a waitress

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 5>and I wait on them at the drive in and

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 5>he's ordering all this special stuff and I burst into

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 5>tears and tell my boyfriend. You know, my boyfriend, he

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 5>can't afford anythinking of you, you know. Anyway, he ends

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 5>up paying for my wedding, and it gives me a

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 5>big wedding and all of that stuff. So it was fun.

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 5>We were there always worked with him for two days.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 5>And what he did was when we broke from shooting

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 5>the drive in, he went over and sat down, and

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what happened to the girl. She took

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 5>off somewhere and he asked the assistant director to bring

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 5>over another chair and he sat sat it down beside

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 5>him and he said, come here, and I sat down

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 5>and he took my hand and he started telling me

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 5>about his mother. WHOA And I'm sitting there. I'm twenty

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 5>five years old. I'm, you know, young enough to remember

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 5>him as a big, big, big deal. And do you

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 5>tell me about Gladys and when he went in the

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 5>army and they wouldn't let him come home to see

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 5>her when she was sick. And I was like, holy shit,

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 5>Elvis is holding my hand.

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, needed someone to talk to.

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 5>Honestly, that was because we were there.

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 10>I was there.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>It was funny that we found out we had absolutely

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>no clue she had ever worked with Elvis, and we

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>were actually going to be on our way to Graceland,

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 2>like in the next day or so.

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 3>What do you think was your favorite part of doing

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 3>this whole podcast. That's a big question, because this is.

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 2>A yeah, I'm I mean the road trip, my favorite

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>part was going to a random place, even the places

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 2>that were a little more out of the way, like

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 2>pass South Dakota or going from Missouri over to Tennessee.

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>When we would just start having conversations with someone, make

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>sure in every conversation to bring up lor Engles Wilder,

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and usually someone did have a connection with her. It

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>was the serendipitous thing of yeah, she is everywhere.

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm trying to think what my favorite part was.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 3>I think my favorite part was I think Pepin surprised

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 3>me the most. And then our drive from Heuron to Buffalo,

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Wyoming because it's the emptiest part of the country, and

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 3>when Ranger Tanya actually was one of my most favorite

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 3>parts of our road trip because I think she was

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.879
<v Speaker 3>such a surprise and such a delight. And so that's

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 3>the word I'm looking for, reaffirming or.

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 8>I'd like to begin.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 4>Where I'd love to begin is in fourteen ninety two,

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 4>Pelma says the ocean blue, a four hundred year resistance up.

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 3>Until this is like a bravery to the way she was,

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, talking about the history at the Battle of

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 3>Little Big Horn site, and she's just she was so

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 3>delightful when she got on the podcast with us, So

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 3>she was one of my favorite parts. And then I

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 3>think in the recording when we moved to CDM Studios

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:17.439
<v Speaker 3>in terms of like actual work experience and having such

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 3>a high end facility and working with such kind people, like,

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it comes through on the podcast that we're

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 3>actually in the recording of it, we're having a lot

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.479
<v Speaker 3>of fun too, and working with so many people who

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 3>took such great care to make sure that the product

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.240
<v Speaker 3>was high quality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do want to give a big shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to all of our amazing producers and editors and mixers

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<v Speaker 2>that worked on this, because I'll say it a million times,

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts are not easy to make, especially this kind of podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and it takes it really does take a village. And Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>coming into CDM and immediately getting more ears on things

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<v Speaker 2>and more opinions is always a good thing. It shows

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<v Speaker 2>you where you're where you're coming through, not coming through.

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<v Speaker 2>It gives you validation that like, yeah, this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It was such a team effort and everyone on the

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<v Speaker 3>team took such great care with the whole podcast. There's

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<v Speaker 3>so much depth to all of the intelligence and attention

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<v Speaker 3>to detail and determination to make this really good that

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<v Speaker 3>came through in the final product that I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that people are aware like this this

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<v Speaker 3>was a huge undertaking and everybody involved in it was

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<v Speaker 3>willing to go the distance with it, which is amazing because,

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<v Speaker 3>as Joe and I talked about endlessly, that degree of support,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is rare, not just in podcast world, but

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<v Speaker 3>in like media, creative or otherwise in general, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we were so fortunate to be able to have that

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<v Speaker 3>backing for this project which needed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm so grateful that we got to make

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<v Speaker 2>this and then it gives us a chance to sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and chat. So thank you for chatting, Glennis.

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<v Speaker 3>This was so and thank you to everyone who listened

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<v Speaker 3>to this podcast and provided feedback positive or otherwise. It's

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<v Speaker 3>so gratifying to have something you worked this hard on

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<v Speaker 3>be engaged with, and.

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<v Speaker 5>We're so.

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<v Speaker 3>Thankful that people have taken the time to listen to it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not this isn't this podcast isn't undertaking as

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<v Speaker 3>a listener too, So thank you everyone. We're just we

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to come back and follow up basically to say

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<v Speaker 3>that like, here's extra stuff, and also we're so grateful

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<v Speaker 3>that it resonated.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks everyone for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was hosted by Glennis McNicol and me Emily Maronoff.

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<v Speaker 2>It was produced by me mixing and mastering Gune.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a Heath Frasier.

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<v Speaker 3>Now and now. It can never be a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just two years ago.