1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Morning Run with Amy and TJ and iHeartRadio Podcast. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: Hey theo folks, it is Saturday, June seventh. Thank you 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: so much for continuing to run with us. We'll taken 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: a weekend morning run right now. Rose. During the week, 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: there are a lot of stories on our morning run 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: that get us going, get us worked up, even get 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: us arguing, and we don't get to get into it. 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: So this is where we've been doing that. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we are bringing the stories to you this 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: weekend from the week that kept us talking or got 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: us going. And we'll begin with the news. California, the 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: state of California, was trying to find a compromise. President 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Trump signed an executive order saying, hey, We're going to 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: cut all federal funding from any sort of athletic organization 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: that allows transgender athletes to compete in girls' sporting events. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: California had a major high school championship track and field, 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: and they had a transgender athlete competing and guess what, 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: the transgender athlete one and one big first place in 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: two events, second place in the third event. And so 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: in order to compromise and to not have federal funds restricted, 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: they decided to add a girl to the podium, so 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: someone who would have won that the transgender athlete took 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: their place of got to meddle too. It's a very 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: confusing compromise that actually pissed off a lot of folks. 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: You made it crystal clear, though in your explanation it 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: is confusing. As I'll get out. I'll give it to 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: your bottom line as a trans girl who won, who 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: is a state champion in two categories out there in California. Yeah, 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: Trump warned against this, he would take money. We'll see 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: what happens. The problem rose, we got back and forth. 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: That was so unsettling. So unsettling about the story is 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: it feels like nobody won with this rule change. It 33 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: felt almost humiliating to all sides to do it this way. 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: So you're essentially just saying, yes, the trans girl got first, 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: so the person she beat who got second gets to 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: move up to first. Person, the guy third gets to 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: move up to second. Person who got fourth gets to 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: move up the third. But who's the actual champion? Who 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: does that help that? Who? The trans girl is standing 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: there with another girl at the top of the podium 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: who won, I beat you, but you get to come 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: up here with me, and. 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: The records reflect that it wasn't the trans girl, it 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: was the other girl. And so yeah, no one gets 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: to feel good about the metal they got because it 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: kind of feels like, did I earn this? Did I 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: not earn this? Who is the best? And what's the 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: right way to go? And I think for most people, 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: we don't ever want to discriminate against or discourage people 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: from participating in athletic competitions. It's part of what makes 51 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: being a kid and growing up exciting and fun. Just 52 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: feels awful and icky, because yes, if you're one of 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: the girls, or you're a parent one of the girls, 54 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: you might be frustrated at the unfairness of the competition 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: because of the what most people would point to the 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: biological advantages that the trans girl has over a girl 57 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: who was born a girl. And so that is a 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: very controversial and difficult conversation to have. And is there 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: a good answer? Is there a right way forward? How 60 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: else can trans athletes compete? There's so few of them, 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: as we know in our population, they couldn't actually have 62 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: their own competition because that would be great, except for 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: who would they be competing against. 64 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: It's tough we haven't figured it out yet. We have 65 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: to figure it out, but this just felt like a 66 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: mess of a way to try to deal with it. 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: And sure enough she qualified and went out there and 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: won two state championships. She came in third place in 69 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: one event. 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: The law thought it was the second place. She came 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: in second place, game and second. 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: So one cisgender girl beat her out, but beat her 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: out by just a little bit. They were approaching state 74 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: records that Marion Jones broke when she was in high school. 75 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is this transathlete, yes, got second, 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: but still did so well that almost competing with one 77 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: of the greatest track athletes we've ever known in this country. 78 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: So I started thinking when you told me that tidbit 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: that what if a trans girl beats an Olympic athlete 80 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: or someone who is a storied female competitor like Marion Jones? 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Will Will that be okay to have a trans girl 82 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: beat someone like Marion Jones record? Is that fair to compare? 83 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Is that fair for then that trans girl to have 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: that record over a biological female or a female who 85 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: was born I don't even know how to say it 86 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 1: not to offend anyone, but this is a tough cist gender. 87 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: I think this is what we're supposed to go with. Now, 88 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: what is it cis to person? That's what you're born 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: sis gender girls, this gender girl and born. 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: But I think that is another huge issue. And then 91 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: you start taking Okay, we're doing it state by state, 92 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: but in international competitions, the Olympics, et cetera. You say, 93 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: there's actually a system in place where you have to 94 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: take some sort of a blood test and if you 95 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: have enough estrogen or enough hormones of a female, you 96 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: can be considered a female. 97 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: You have to show how long you've gone through this process. 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: You have to show some say you have to have 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: gone through for a year or two years. But the 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: rules aren't uniform all over the world, so we just 101 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: haven't figured out. 102 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: But the reality is this, would you not say that 103 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: most people would agree and it would be hard to 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: argue against that a trans girl who was not born 105 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: a female has a physical advantage in almost every case. 106 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but 107 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: generally speaking, there's a reason why men don't compete against 108 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: women because women do not have a physical advantage. Period. 109 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: It is happening incount for you where that governor has 110 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: come out recently and said that he believes it's unfair. 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: He's breaking with some in his own party and some 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: progressives in his own party by saying that. But he 113 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: said it is unfair for trans girls to be competing 114 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: in girls' sports. 115 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: And I think it's okay to say this because I 116 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: know you know. Look, I'm a parent of girls, you're 117 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: a parent of girls. We have friends who we love 118 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: and know who have trans children. So this isn't something 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: that is foreign or unusual to us in any way, 120 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: and in fact, even in an intimate way. But I 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: think that you can be supportive of trans rights and 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: supportive of some of the and and at and angered 123 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: about some of the rights that are being taken away 124 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: from them, and still believe that there is a physical 125 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: advantage and it is unfair to other girls to have 126 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: them competing against people who were born with a physical advantage. 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: I think that you can have both thoughts and still 128 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: be supportive of trans rights. It's just a sticky, tough 129 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: situation because no one wants to alienate anyone or make 130 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: anyone feel left out. Everyone wants to belong, and yet 131 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: you still have to have a system in place for fairness. 132 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: Right. Another story that got us going this week and 133 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: really got us going. The military has renamed a ship. 134 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: Shouldn't be a big deal, I suppose, But it was 135 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: what name they took off the ship and when they 136 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: did it that was a big deal. It was the 137 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: us NS the US naval ship Harvey Milk, named after 138 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: the civil rights gay rights leader. They took the name 139 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: off the ship. Robes, that's one thing they said. It 140 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: was part of kind of a let's whole dei anti 141 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: dei afying of the military since Trump got back into office. 142 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: This is a part of that. But Robe, it was 143 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: the timing of when they did it, and then it 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: was coming back and saying we did that on purpose. Yeah. 145 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: Defense official absolutely said this timing was intentional. When Defense 146 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Secretary Pete Hegzeff announced that they were removing Harvey Milk's 147 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: name from that ship right at the beginning of Pride month. 148 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: June is Pride month, and it was just an extra 149 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: gut punch, I think to folks who have been fighting 150 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: so hard for inclusiveness. It was mean. It was mean spirited. 151 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: It was almost like ha ha ha ha ha, and 152 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: this you know, Harvey milk. If you're not familiar, he 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: is one of the most yes and if you ever 154 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: Sean Penn portrayed him in the movie. This is a 155 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: man who was of service, was in the Navy. His 156 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: parents served in the Navy, but he was threatened with 157 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: the court martial because of his sexual orientation. He had 158 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: to leave the military because he was gay. And once 159 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: he finally got elected, one of the first openly gay 160 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: men to be elected to office, he was serving on 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, he was assassinated a 162 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: year later. So this is somebody who gave his life 163 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: for who he was, and not willingly, but is someone 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: who has been honored and revered and studied and we 165 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: don't ever want to go back to those times and 166 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: repeat that. And yet this just to take his name 167 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: and to remove it from nable Ship is just unnecessary 168 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: and cruel. And with everything that's going on in the world, 169 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: do we really just want to continue to divide one 170 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: another here and say us versus them? 171 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: And I hate that cast. Let's say they wanted to 172 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: do it and they did it in August, people would 173 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: take issue with it. They shouldn't have done it, fine, 174 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: but to do it, and you're telling an entire community that, 175 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: in this month that is so important to you, we're 176 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: actually going to insult you. We're actually going to punch you, 177 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: We actually are trying to inflict harm on a move 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: we already know you're not gonna like we are now 179 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: intend that is unbelievable. 180 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: You likened it too, and asked because they have also said, hey, 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: there are some other ship names that are want up 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: to be removed as well, including Thurgood Marshal, the first 183 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: black Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. 184 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: Can you stay with third Good Marshal Force second February one, 185 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: tell us you're going to rename stuff like that. 186 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: The beginning of Black History Month. Go ahead and say 187 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: we're going to start removing names of black civil rights 188 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: leaders and pioneers. 189 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: So try this on February one. There's a USNS John Lewis, Okay, 190 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: February one, make that announcement. Why why would you do 191 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: that unless you're trying to give a big f you 192 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: to the black community. I would take it as such. 193 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: I wouldn't like it if you took it off in 194 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: September or December. But if you do know February one, 195 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: what are you trying to say to a group collectly? 196 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: This blows my mind. There are a lot of things, 197 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: but this to be that that obviously and embracing how 198 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: mean we are trying? 199 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg same thing. Let's do 200 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: it at the beginning of Women's History Month. I mean, 201 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: it's just you could get think about that and think 202 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: about how that would make you feel with whatever community 203 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: you identify with. It is an extra like it's like 204 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: they're spitting in your face and it's just unkind and 205 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: unfair and unnecessary. 206 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: That one really got us talking. You know that, it 207 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: got us worked up. If you can't tell Love Island 208 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: and the inward, you might know the story by now. 209 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, Rose, the show too much much anticipation, finally 210 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: launched this week and on episode two, one of the 211 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: hotties in the villa was already gone and there wasn't 212 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: much fanfair and we didn't know why if you were 213 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: just watching the show. 214 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: When you said not much fanfair, that was almost an 215 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: understatement because there's a cheeky narrator with a British accent, who, look, 216 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: we watched Love Island. I think if anyone listens to 217 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: this podcast. You know, we're kind of obsessed with reality. 218 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: For the record, she forces me to watch. 219 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah, I should be charged with coercion. Yes, no, 220 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: you are, you are okay, you're right. Sorry, I shouldn't 221 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: go there. You are a willing participant. In fact, I 222 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: believe it was last night that we were catching up 223 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: on Love Island. But in the second episode, at the beginning, 224 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: the cheeky narrator says this and only this, Ulyssa has 225 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: left the villa, and then moves on there is no 226 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: other commentary, and we've been watching. We actually went back 227 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: watched the first episode heading into the second one now 228 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: and look, this is a very diverse group. I'm curious 229 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: what they even think because this all blindsided them. Were 230 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: there was chatter before she got on, because people found 231 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: these podcasts that this particular contestant was on. How long 232 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: ago were these podcasts, you know, I don't have the years, 233 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, but fairly recently. She goes on podcasts 234 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: and very casually and very comfortably starts dropping the N 235 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: word when she is being recorded with the microphone for 236 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: a podcast that she knows is going to be broadcast 237 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: or at least disseminated and seem to have zero concern 238 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: that Ulyssa herself could say this and knowing she is 239 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: not black, She's Hispanic, but she is not black. 240 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: But she is very comfortable using the in words incredibly comfortable. Something. 241 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: Is that shocking to you. 242 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: I have known folks before who have been around a 243 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: lot of black people and maybe hear black folks talk 244 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: to each other in this way and sometimes get comfortable 245 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: enough in that environment where they get permission to use 246 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: it from. 247 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: Me, ken, can a black person say it sounds like 248 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: she was dating a black man for a long time. 249 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: She had like an eight year relationship I believe she 250 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: talked about and when you hear what she said, it 251 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: was seemingly referring back to him. Can a black man 252 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: give permission to a white girl, a Hispanic girl, anyway, 253 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: anyone who's non black, to use the word no. 254 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: The answer is no. Now, permission in a clothes setting 255 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: is just the two of us, the three of us 256 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: a certain group is one thing. You shouldn't do that either, 257 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: because if word gets out that you're permitting this, you 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: might be in trouble with your community. But what I'm 259 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: saying is there's nobody who can give any person outside 260 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: of the black community permission to use the word publicly. 261 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Nobody gets that permission. You can't. You're gonna have to 262 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: ask every black person in America if it's okay, and 263 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: we're not gonna give that permission. So this is it 264 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: was so casual in how she said it. She didn't 265 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: miss a beat or think she said anything wrong, and 266 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: knew this was public. 267 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: She just it's remarkable to me that someone that young 268 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: would feel so free to do it, because aren't those 269 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: young folks also woke and they know what to say 270 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: and what not to say. And you can't say this, 271 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: and you can't say that. Things that we could say 272 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: as kids, you can't say anymore referring to other certain 273 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: time types of the population, whether whether you're whether you're gay, 274 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: or whether you have you know, cognitive issues. There were 275 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: things that we said as kids that you absolutely cannot say. 276 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: And we know that. 277 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: But you've commented now. I believe that also these kids 278 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: these days, they got so many options, they got so 279 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: much social media, they got so much, so many podcasts 280 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: and so much How do you stand out? How do 281 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: you speak or I'm going to be myself I am 282 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: going to do. Look, there's another way I saw her 283 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: as someone like, nobody's going to tell me what to do. 284 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: I make my own rules. She's comfortable in this setting, 285 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: and she just started. She reverted to who she probably 286 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: truly is. 287 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: How do you feel, as a black man to hear 288 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: this girl say that? 289 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: I don't know the way she said it. 290 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: No, I don't care. 291 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't think she should. I don't get worked up 292 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: about people saying the N word. As soon as it 293 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: comes out of your mouth, we are done, because it 294 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: means you're just moronic. I mean, I can't have a 295 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: conversation with you. I don't get upset or worked up. 296 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: I've been yelled and called the N word plenty times 297 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: in my life, barely flinched. Just it doesn't work me 298 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: up like that. And there's a lot of black folks 299 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't like you. Just really, that's all you got 300 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: after two hundred and fifty years, this is the best 301 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: you could come up with. 302 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: Still, But is it surprising to you that that people 303 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: who aren't black still need to be reminded that that 304 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: is a forbidden word. 305 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: Nobody needs to be reminded if they're using it. They're 306 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: using it intentionally, and you know it shouldn't be used. 307 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: This is silly, This is this is a non issue, 308 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: and if there's anybody out there arguing what black people 309 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: say it, I should be able to say it. Then 310 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: you ask yourself, why do you want to say the 311 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: N words so much? Why do you want permission? Why 312 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: is it so important to you? Now? 313 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Almost like they're trying to be black, like to be 314 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: a part of the community. They think they are a 315 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: part of the community, and that's highly offensive. 316 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can always go back to the safety 317 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: of your other community. I can't leave this black skin 318 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: at home. But yeah, you don't want to do the quote. 319 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: I guess I'll have to read the quote. Yes, please, 320 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: we will tell you what exactly what she said to 321 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: wrap it up here, just so you know what we're 322 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: talking about. The second reference, I'll do the second one. 323 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: Here she's talking about relationships, talking about some dudes U 324 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: was dating, and she quotes, are you efing my inward? Perfect? 325 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: That's it, But now I'm efing my in word. He's 326 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: my in word? Is what she said. Didn't miss a beat, 327 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: so she just reeled it off and it's not like 328 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: a slip and oh, I can't believe I. 329 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: Said that, also talking about her boyfriend like he was 330 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: a piece of property to be owned. So I feel 331 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: like that was an extra dig and reference to things 332 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: we should not be. 333 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: Talking, you know what. The other thing, there's no reference 334 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: to it on the show, and there might never be 335 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: one for this reason. They all have been in that 336 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: villa for a little while doing some pre production stuff, 337 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: so they've been off the grid. All their phones have 338 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: been taken. 339 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have access to. 340 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: The producers aren't telling them and they have no idea. 341 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: Because they're in Fiji right now shooting it. Because if 342 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: this is a week two weeks show, so basically, if 343 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: you're a fan of the show, you can call in 344 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: and you can vote on who your favorite couple is. 345 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: You can actually contribute to who gets voted off or not. 346 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: So this is in real time. 347 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: It's possible they have no idea what's going on. It's 348 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: possible she had no idea until she came out, because 349 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: there were reports of like friends of hers have been 350 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: online frantically responding on social media trying to defend her. 351 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: It's not working and it's not going away. 352 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: I wait to hear from her, but let's end with 353 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: one other future this week. Okay, people you know by 354 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: now Trump and Elon broke up. There's a bunch of 355 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: billionaire bickering. But they went back and forth on social media, 356 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: with Trump saying he was wearing thin. I'm very disappointed 357 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: he was not in favor of my bill. And now 358 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: Elon has gone pretty much nuclear, accused Trump of being 359 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: in the Epstein files and said that's why we haven't 360 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: seen them, and a whole bunch of other jaw dropping stuff. 361 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: But it got us to thinking. Roll this stuff got 362 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: nasty and personal and quick. 363 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: Man, it heated up fast. 364 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: It was a matter of hours this was over. 365 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: They were back and forth, just eviscerating each other on 366 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: social media for all to see. It's one thing if 367 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: you're texting someone back and forth, but man, this was 368 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: a public display of it was so this is the 369 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: biggest feud, the biggest battle I have ever seen between 370 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: two people that I can recall. 371 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: We got to be missing in history. 372 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: Well it got us thinking. You actually asked, like, what 373 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: other feuds can you think of? What other public breakups, divorces, 374 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: just battles have escalated. And I looked it up these 375 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: celebrity battle and it's actually quite funny. But truthfully, I 376 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: don't think any of these rise to the level of 377 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: what we saw yesterday. The number one that you see 378 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: pop up is Kanye weston Taylor Swift. 379 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't really because she never got into a 380 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: nasty back and forth with him. 381 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: They had some lyrics back and forth referencing one another, 382 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: or was it mostly Kanye references? It was Taylor. She 383 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: was actually already like, yeah, I'm good. I'm pretty much 384 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: good with my swifties and my like mega hits and 385 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: my platinum albums and I'm fine. 386 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: But the moment on stage is pretty awful when he 387 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: jumped up there and took her, so I guess maybe 388 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: they were. 389 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of jumping up on stage. Another one referenced Will 390 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: Smith and Chris Rock, but Chris Rock was was was 391 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: the hero in that, but. 392 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 2: He came a public view when he did his stand 393 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: up and he took some shots back. But okay, I 394 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't have put that one up there, But okay. 395 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: That's up there. They have. There's some fun got violent 396 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: that one that one. Actually guess that one turned physical, 397 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: so there is that they go back. They have Britney 398 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: Spears and Christina Aguilera. That was so long ago. I 399 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: don't really remember that. 400 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of a musical. 401 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: It was, it was, and like there's a lot of 402 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: the musical things. So they have Biggie Smalls and Tupac. 403 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: We also know recently we had Drake and Kendrick Lamar. 404 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: Obviously that one turned Grammy's Super Bowl. Yes, yes, all 405 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: sorts of all ships rose on that one. Like Drake's 406 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: killing it right now. Obviously Kendrick Lamar is killing it 407 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: right now. 408 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: But a rat that's what a rap beef is supposed 409 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: to be, not a public feud between the president and 410 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: the richest man on earth. 411 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's they talk about Gwyneth Paltrow and Martha Stewart. 412 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: I didn't even oh, Lady Gaga and Madonna, but that again, 413 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: it was about like who's imitating whom? Like Madonna thought 414 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: that Lady Gaga was stealing her stuff and so that 415 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: she was basically riding on her coat tails and she 416 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: was getting none of the credit. 417 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: Did you Gaga go back at her? 418 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: It's let's see. 419 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: I can say, I just don't remember that one at all. 420 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: They see Born this Way was the one that Madonna 421 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: was upset about. She's so it was mostly Madonna being 422 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: upset with gagat who else? Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell. 423 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: That was that was that one was ugly. That was ugly. 424 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: Okay, you know, they don't even have on here because 425 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: we were trying to think of really ugly divorces like 426 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and Angelina or Brad Pitt and Jennifer. Both 427 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: of those were bad. Jennifer Aniston public neither one went 428 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: well trying to there's they go back to, like Joan 429 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: Crawford and Betty Davis. But this is a lot about 430 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: This is a lot about artists competing with one another. 431 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan. There's just all these little feuds. 432 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: What you're saying is we're seeing something like we've never seen. 433 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: Before one percent, because like Mariah Carey versus eminem what 434 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: was that? I don't even know what that. But these 435 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: are all the ones that are listed and you can 436 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: go through them, and it's true they pale in comparison 437 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: to what we saw yesterday. So it does bolster our 438 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: belief that, yes, this is the most brazen, insane public 439 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: feud that we have ever seen in our lifetime. 440 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: Maybe the most expensive divorce as well, because it calls 441 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: elon thirty four billion personal value because stock went down. 442 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: And who's going to back off, Who's going to back down, 443 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: Who's going to say uncle, who's going to wave the 444 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: white flag? 445 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: Nope? No, I have not. Have you seen either one 446 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 2: of them do so in any circumstance, and now a 447 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: public one against a guy with as much money, for 448 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: the most part as you have and as much power 449 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: as you have. To tell the president in a tweet, 450 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: he wouldn't have won the election. 451 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: Without me, He was ungrateful that where's the gratitude. 452 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: Gratitude? Oh, Donald Trump should be grateful to me? 453 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: WHOA, Oh my goodness. Yes, we will see how that 454 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: all unfolds. But I have a feeling in that battle 455 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: everyone's going to lose, not just Musk and his thirty 456 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: four billion dollars. We're all going to pay the price 457 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: for this. So let's hope that maybe maybe one of 458 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: them could show some humility at some point. 459 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: That is hilarious, and so we'll end on that comedic note. 460 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: Amy Buck praying for peace and humility. 461 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: Folks, We appreciate you running with us as always, and 462 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of your Saturday.