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Speaker 1: Browns on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. You are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, let's you live on a Thursday edition of Clear

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Speaker 2: Lebron's Daily. I am merely Bo. He is the amazing,

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Speaker 2: spectacular great z.

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Speaker 3: Look at him, thank you, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Look at this.

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Speaker 4: Guy, one big electric factory, right job, energy.

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Speaker 5: Are too bad.

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Speaker 3: I'm here today because otherwise we would have had Gibbe

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Speaker 3: in the fruit stand collection in this seat Raspberry today.

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Speaker 5: I mean, can we get a shot of that back there?

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Speaker 3: Let the people gorgeous Gibbe has gone to like it's

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Speaker 3: It's interesting to me. Most people would think, like in season,

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Speaker 3: you'd be more like business, and Gibbe's gone Theopsi's like

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Speaker 3: off season. I'm like full business, dressed to the nines

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Speaker 3: every day that we come in here. It's a really

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Speaker 3: beautiful thing.

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Speaker 4: Jean's gonna button down.

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Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 5: You look unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Where's the cold?

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the kind words.

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Speaker 5: Camera people do something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if doctor J like that. The man

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Speaker 2: where is the man? Normally he's in that seat.

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Speaker 3: We're a peasant saying, whoever's operated the camera, let's get

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Speaker 3: some visibility there he is. G I just do that

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Speaker 3: gibe for the people. Put yourself there. You can see

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Speaker 3: where the people get there.

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Speaker 2: Kids.

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Speaker 3: That's electric and that's what the kids need right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it made a pretty slow Browns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's save all of that. Hey, uh, unprecedented today

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Speaker 2: from U. From our our friends at Hudson City Schools,

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Speaker 2: we had a six o three school cancel. Six o

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Speaker 2: three a cancel. Couldn't run the buses, dude, we had

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Speaker 2: crazy ice. I think like normally you get like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is gonna be bad. Let's bail, you know, middle

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Speaker 2: of the night. Even so two three o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen a six o three. So then I

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Speaker 2: when I was, I go, how bad could this have been?

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Speaker 2: And I let the dog out and he went, nos,

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Speaker 2: Buddy Guarrity, I've never seen him just bite it, walking

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Speaker 2: bit it. Oh yeah, it was like the actual Buddy

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Speaker 2: Garrity stumbling out of a bar.

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Speaker 3: I went out, so we got for for my kids

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Speaker 3: school at six thirty four. Okay, am not that it

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Speaker 3: was clut canceled, that it was going to be a

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Speaker 3: two hour delay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's garbage, like cast.

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Speaker 5: Delay at a golf course.

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Speaker 3: So they got a two hour ice delay so they

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Speaker 3: didn't have to go in until you know, ten thirty.

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Speaker 3: I mean his collection I want.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I want him his attire

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Speaker 2: to be that I want him in track suits. I

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Speaker 2: want him like Malta Sante and tracksuits. I want him

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Speaker 2: in Fila track suits, Puma track suits, Adidas track suit.

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Speaker 2: I want him all the lure, and I want him

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Speaker 2: cruising around in here and then crispy white Air Force ones.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want. I think is that too much?

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Speaker 5: It's not too much.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's all I want.

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Speaker 5: Is in a bullet appropriate. I think it'd be. I

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Speaker 2: By the way, so I would that is that harder?

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Speaker 2: I don't. So I went out the middle of the morning.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know, as a being a good father,

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Speaker 3: of Arden's car, and if I wasn't holding on the

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Speaker 5: It was bad.

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Speaker 2: It was really bad. Thank god it wasn't last night

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Speaker 2: or my dad. I could not have that. No, you

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Speaker 2: got he got out two things that i've two things

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Speaker 2: that he did. I can't remember if I that he

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Speaker 2: did on this trip without precedent, he again ate Buddy

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Speaker 2: Garret's peanut butter that clearly states Buddy garritys do not eat.

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Speaker 2: That's why I went out. It was sitting on the counter.

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Speaker 4: Does he say when you call him out for eating

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Speaker 4: the dog's peanut butter?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't care?

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Speaker 5: I think he says that. I think he's all, no

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Speaker 2: Probably it's no big deal. I'm baffled by that. But

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Speaker 2: that's not even the most stunning because that's already happened

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Speaker 2: in previous visits. So like I was prepared for him

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Speaker 2: to eat the dog's peanut butter, that I was ready for.

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Speaker 2: What I was not ready for was on Monday night,

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Speaker 2: I got back from youth basketball practice and he's sitting

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Speaker 2: in the basement watching PBS. And you say, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense. PBS. You know little Nature show. Who

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Speaker 2: knows what's going to be on there? A little bit

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Speaker 2: of maybe a documentary little Ken burns, yeh of some

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Speaker 2: sort is being replayed, who knows. Oh no, he was

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Speaker 2: watching what appeared to me to be an English soap opera,

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Speaker 2: like a downtown Abbey type situation. I said, what are

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Speaker 2: you doing? And he goes, oh, it's this is uh

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Speaker 2: all Creatures Great and Small. It's great. This is the

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Speaker 2: best show on TV. I like that. Come again, six

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Speaker 2: years of life that has never watched a show. You know,

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Speaker 2: you watch a show, right like you like shows that

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Speaker 2: you watch. Oh, I'm into this show. Let's watch this show.

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Speaker 2: Never has watched shows in his life. He watches live Sports,

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Speaker 2: Live Rodio. That's it. And now he's watching a show

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Speaker 2: and that's the show he's watching. I'm like that. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of he's the best show on TV.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of show. Maybe it is. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I didn't what it's all Creatures,

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Speaker 2: Great and Small. It's based on the books. He's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they do it once a year, and I go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's how series work. They come out once a year,

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Speaker 2: you get an episode run, and then you do it

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Speaker 2: again the next year. You say, it's great, how did

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Speaker 2: you just settle on this.

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Speaker 5: Rotten tomatoes?

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Speaker 2: It's so apparently it's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, seems pretty good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The show revolves around a trio veterinary surgeons, including Siegfried Farnan,

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Speaker 3: who hires James into his veterinary practice at Skeldale House.

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Speaker 3: Besides Sigfree and James, there's Sickford's younger brother, Tristan, and

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Speaker 2: Like, do you have that, knowing what you know of

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Speaker 2: my father, that that would be his choosing on a

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Speaker 3: No, but maybe a test something about them, you know,

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Speaker 3: being out on the farms and healing animals.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there weren't a whole lot of healing of animals

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Speaker 2: where I grew up. Buddy horses would get a chance

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Speaker 2: to heal. Everything else was old yeller.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how that went.

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Speaker 5: I don't know a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of a lot of a lot of trips to

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Speaker 2: the dump with things hanging on the back of a

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Speaker 3: Guess a season five, I guess kind of just came out.

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Speaker 2: Look, he's all locked in. He's locked in.

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Speaker 4: I want you to text your dad right now and

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Speaker 4: asking if he's heard of that show and if he's

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Speaker 4: watched it.

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Speaker 2: If they have that, we got one and the.

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Speaker 4: Keeper and the key Master. I don't think that's a

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Speaker 4: great idea, but I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm all in for it. That would be crazy if

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Speaker 2: that's like they're one, all of their similarities but then

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Speaker 2: all of their differences, but that's the tie that would

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Speaker 2: bind them. That'd be amazing watch. Oh for sure, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy. Did he did he get out

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Speaker 2: of here? Did he make it? Got out last night?

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Speaker 2: He got home? Yeah? Yeah, he was fine. One of

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Speaker 2: that nice two hours and forty minutes at the at Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: He did do a few laps. What are you going

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Speaker 2: to do?

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Speaker 4: Do multiple laps?

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do? There? Nothing to do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, go to Simon's joint, get some Chick fil A.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what are you going to do? It's

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Speaker 2: a long time, all right? Should we do this? I

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Speaker 2: guess Miles was. Miles went on media row at the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So that happened yesterday down in New Orleans. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he did it is is? I like how this is?

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Speaker 2: I do like how this is written? Made his first

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Speaker 2: media appearance. His first one was on The Rich Eisen Show,

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Speaker 2: and then he went on a bunch. There's a bunch

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Speaker 2: of he did.

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Speaker 5: The great many people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the full car wash as they call it at

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Speaker 2: media Row. Let's just start. This is from the Rich

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Speaker 2: Eisen Show. Here's Miles on why did you decide to

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Speaker 2: request a trade?

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Speaker 7: Uh? I felt it was it was time. You know,

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Speaker 7: I had taken my time after the season, no kind

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Speaker 7: of no relax and decopressed emotionally. No wants to distance

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Speaker 7: myself a little bit and spend a little time talking

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Speaker 7: to my family about no the Uh really, how how

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Speaker 7: we feel about this decision? And I mean I I

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Speaker 7: I did. And I felt like everyone's kind of on

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Speaker 7: the on the same page, and it felt like it

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Speaker 7: was no time to at least no speak on something

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Speaker 7: that was nearer to my heart and have a lot

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Speaker 7: of love for for Cleveland. But you know, it's always

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Speaker 7: for me, been about you continuing for championships. Uh no,

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Speaker 7: winning those big games and uh no winning Lombardes. And

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Speaker 7: you know we haven't had the opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 7: And that's that's all I'm asking for.

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Speaker 2: So what a circus, not that necessarily. But now I

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Speaker 2: see Chiefs on media row. Yeah, without his shirt.

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Speaker 3: On, without his shirt on, He's saying, don't go what

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Speaker 3: are you talking about? We're not that far away.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is why is our entire team on

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl media row.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what is going on.

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Speaker 3: Denzel's there because he was a Walter Payton Man of

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Speaker 3: the Year finalists. Miles is there because he's a Defensive

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Speaker 3: Player of the Year finalist. Chief is there because Chief

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Speaker 3: is awesome. I like what you know, Chief said, stay home.

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Speaker 3: We're not that far off. This is this is hard.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me on a few fronts, Like the

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Speaker 3: Browns have gone to the playoffs twice in the last

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Speaker 3: five years. I've only won one playoff game. I think

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Speaker 3: we would all agree that what the Browns need more

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Speaker 3: than anything.

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Speaker 5: Is a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's it. You're able to win eleven games. That

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Speaker 3: was two years ago, Jim Donovan Thursday Night Football, the Jets,

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Speaker 3: we clinch Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 5: It was great, yep, but this team needs.

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Speaker 3: A quarter And I think what was so interesting to

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Speaker 3: me about because it doesn't look like we're going to

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Speaker 3: get any of these specific ones in here because it's

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Speaker 3: more from the Eiesen Show. I don't think he even

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Speaker 3: got into Jayden Danils because then he went on other

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Speaker 5: There's no doubt in my mind, none none.

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Speaker 3: So you have that opportunity here now, and I think that,

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Speaker 3: Something's gonna be. We're gonna have something. And maybe nothing

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He's the best edge.

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Speaker 5: Of all time.

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Speaker 3: And it hasn't been because he hasn't had a running

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's not that, it's we haven't had the quarterback

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Speaker 2: There is not a quarterback available via trade that you

443
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Speaker 2: can pare a troop in here and become a franchise quarterback.

444
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: The only become available the way that Deshaun Watson became available,

445
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Speaker 2: and even that is a one of one. That's not

446
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Speaker 2: there's not even another precedent for that in the history

447
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Speaker 2: of the league. It's either at the end of their

448
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Speaker 2: career or someone bails on him too early. But even

449
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: the ones who bail on too early, there's still a

450
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: ceiling on it. They don't ever turn into top ten

451
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Speaker 2: player of all time like that type of stuff, or

452
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Speaker 2: top ten quarterback in the league. So they're the only

453
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Speaker 2: way to do this is the way that you and

454
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Speaker 2: I are talking about the other thing that I thought

455
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Speaker 2: was pretty crazy about this He is not a free agent. No,

456
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Speaker 2: it was so it was it was almost like what

457
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Speaker 2: an NBA player would do if they were a free agent, right,

458
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Speaker 2: and that they would then go and do the media

459
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Speaker 2: and like, I really like the I like any I

460
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Speaker 2: like Burrough. I mean, remember Lebron would do that, Like well,

461
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: he thought to Lebron, I know, but I mean this

462
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Speaker 2: is a very NBA approach to it, and he's he

463
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Speaker 2: at times if you go search all we're not this

464
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Speaker 2: is Cleveland, bron Zaily, we're doing the show from the facility.

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Speaker 2: But like if if you go, you can go find

466
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Speaker 2: any of this and is speaking almost like a free agent,

467
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Speaker 2: like he's trying to be wound and it's like wait

468
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Speaker 2: a second, recruited like a recruitment. It's like a recruitmed thing.

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Speaker 2: And I'm to your point in terms of the contract

470
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Speaker 2: and how hard it is to do it. Like, there's

471
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Speaker 2: that that part too, So even if you wanted to

472
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Speaker 2: trade him, even if you wanted to, which they don't,

473
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Speaker 2: he's the best position player in football who is not

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Speaker 2: a quarterback and one of the most valuable who is

475
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Speaker 2: not a quarterback. It's like him, justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: It's a short list.

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Speaker 2: It's so impossible to do right now, even if you

478
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Speaker 2: wanted to, and they don't want to, you'd.

479
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Speaker 5: Have to designated post. But like you, it's just still great.

480
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Speaker 2: He's still under contract here, So like there's that part right.

481
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Speaker 2: The other thing that struck me, and it wasn't just

482
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Speaker 2: Miles because Joe Burrow is doing it today.

483
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Speaker 5: But this is different.

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Speaker 2: He is a different But what I'm what I'm curious

485
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Speaker 2: about is if this is NFL players really for the

486
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Speaker 2: first time, trying to do the player empowerment that we've seen.

487
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Speaker 2: It's not gonna work, but the only people who can

488
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Speaker 2: do it are quarterbacks and d ends. They can put

489
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Speaker 2: in receivers, you know, the Chase, Jefferson, those true impact players,

490
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Speaker 2: and it's obviously quarterbacks can do it. Burrow has spent

491
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Speaker 2: all morning putting direct pressure on the Cincinnati Bengals ownership

492
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Speaker 2: that we you can sign all of us. I'll redo

493
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Speaker 2: my contract, he said it, I'll restructure my contract.

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Speaker 3: But that takes cash, and that's why they have not

495
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Speaker 3: done that.

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Speaker 2: I know that, you know that. I don't know if

497
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Speaker 2: Burrow knows that or if he's just trying to say, hey,

498
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Speaker 2: you need to sell a percentage of this team to

499
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Speaker 2: private equity so that you can redo my contract so

500
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Speaker 2: that you can keep Jamar. He's saying, Keith Hendrickson, Chase Higgins,

501
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Speaker 2: all of them get sicky. Even all of them are

502
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: getting all of them are saying. It's like, well wait

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Speaker 2: a second, Joe, like they don't they can't do that.

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Speaker 2: They cannot do that. So like I just think, like

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Speaker 2: what I've saw this week at from the Super Bowl

506
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Speaker 2: media Row is like I've never seen NFL players put

507
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Speaker 2: pressure on organizations the way and they're different what Miles

508
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Speaker 2: at did and what Joe did, very but in terms

509
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Speaker 2: of but but just even still, you when's the last

510
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Speaker 2: time you saw a franchise quarterback got taken care of?

511
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Speaker 2: Go on and say our team needs to find a

512
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Speaker 2: way to do all of.

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Speaker 3: This, but you see, like we need to get that

514
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Speaker 3: bring this guy back, got to have them blah, but

515
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: not this not well that structure of ideal. Get me

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Speaker 3: the cash so we can restructure it. Sign Higgins, Chase Hendrickson,

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Speaker 3: Gasiki mentioned them all.

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Speaker 2: There's just no way.

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Speaker 3: Here's the reason we've never seen this before. If the

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Speaker 3: Haslams owned the Bengals, yes, the Bengals might be playing

521
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Speaker 3: today or Sunday, they might be in the super Bowl

522
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Speaker 3: because they wouldn't have lost Baits, they wouldn't have lost

523
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Speaker 3: all the people that they have lost over the years

524
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Speaker 3: that they have just kind of given up on because

525
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Speaker 3: they didn't have the money to do it. That's the

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Speaker 3: difference between an organization whose sole source of the income

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Speaker 3: is the organization versus people who have made money in

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Speaker 3: the private sector and then are billionaires and buy a team.

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is just unlucky in the sense that that's

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Speaker 3: the type of squad that he went to. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, the Great Rock Do you know what

532
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm saying? If he had gone, if Joe Burrow had

533
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Speaker 3: been drafted by the Jags, that Joe Burr had been

534
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Speaker 3: drafted by the Browns, or if one of those types

535
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Speaker 3: of owners own the Bengals as they're constructed right now,

536
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Speaker 3: that team would be much more whole, yes, and would

537
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: be much better off because they would have the financial flexibility.

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Speaker 3: If the cap is malleable and you can work around

539
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Speaker 3: the cap. Cash is is not. And that's why often

540
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Speaker 3: they say cash is king. Joe Burrow is trying. It's saying,

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Speaker 3: I want to win a Super Bowl. We have all

542
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Speaker 3: these talented guys here. There are other teams in the

543
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Speaker 3: league for sure, and I bet he's saying, look at

544
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Speaker 3: the Browns. And now it hasn't worked out for us

545
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: because we don't have Joe Burrow. But the Browns are

546
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Speaker 3: willing to shell out all the cash that is needed

547
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Speaker 3: to try to maintain everything and keep everybody together, signing

548
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: everybody to extensions, keeping all the guys happy. It just

549
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 3: has not worked out because we haven't had the quarterback.

550
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Speaker 3: If you drop Joe Burrow onto this organization, which you can't, obviously,

551
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Speaker 3: you wish you could be wonderful.

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Speaker 5: This is it's.

553
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Speaker 3: And that's what the whole ridge goes. The whole point again,

554
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: it's about the quarterback. If you can get the quarterback

555
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: and you have the opportunity to draft one this year.

556
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: You have an ownership group here. They will spend and

557
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: will spare no expense, manipulating the cap, laying out the

558
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: cash to try to get the best roster here. It

559
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: has not worked out, and people are pissed about it.

560
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: And I get that, and Miles should understand that they've

561
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Speaker 3: done a lot of the things such as restructuring his

562
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: deal and many many other deals which caused a lot

563
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: of cash spending. That that's why it's so hard to

564
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Speaker 3: trade him now. So when you tell those things, those

565
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: guys are people that you're saying, no, you're here for

566
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Speaker 3: the long term. That's how we're doing this. It's a

567
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: tough situation. I've never seen a player on a roster

568
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: with two years left do a pr like get me

569
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Speaker 3: out of here tour.

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00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I thought his statement, Look, I get

572
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: it players in this organization, and that happens around the league.

573
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: They make demands for trades. It's happened before, but I

574
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: don't know that it's gone to that level. I thought

575
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 3: his statement, while you know, was rather direct in some

576
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: ways and very transparent in what he was trying to say,

577
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: what's fair. I want him to win. Miles Garrett deserves

578
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: to win. I think it's very unfortunate that the Hoff

579
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: never got that opportunity to play for a championship, let

580
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: alone the postseason. Yeah, that's he's He's in the game,

581
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: the game in the Hall of Fame, in that little

582
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: Pantheon game.

583
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Speaker 5: We say the Hoff is in that game, yep.

584
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: And the reason the Hoff and never got to do

585
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: any of those things because he didn't have a quarterback.

586
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: It's all about a quarterback. You get a quarterback, you win.

587
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. And Joe Flacco was great and he won.

588
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. That wasn't the long term answer. He would

589
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: be the first thing. I'm not the long term answer.

590
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: I don't have a decade here. But you have a

591
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: situation now where you pick second in a draft that's

592
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: got two guys that pretty much everybody thinks can do

593
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: it at this level.

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00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: So you have to get.

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Speaker 3: One, and you've got to do everything you can to

597
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: foster that environment, nurture that quarterback, get them to reach

598
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: their ceiling, and then you have an opportunity to be

599
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: what Miles Garrett wants you to be and what all

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Speaker 3: the fans out there want.

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Speaker 5: And deserve you to be.

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00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: Well, said buddy.

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00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 5: All right, next levels.

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Speaker 2: Time for a little higher or lower Hello give gentleman.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Oh, how are you welcome to Thursday? It is

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Speaker 4: a nice Thursday. It's gonna be like forty degrees today.

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Speaker 4: It's a heat with is it it is? Didn't feel

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Speaker 4: like it when I came in, supposed to tease mm hmmm,

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Speaker 4: and then back into the aduld rooms of garbage.

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Speaker 2: I cleaned that up for the kids at home. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty bad, cold, icy, It's awful. This will test

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Speaker 2: all of your metal. My worst weather here is March,

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Speaker 2: when it's like forty in rain See. I just I

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00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: think this is the worst month. I know that this

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00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: is in the brochure. We're halfway home. I know February

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Speaker 2: is going.

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Speaker 5: To be cold.

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Speaker 3: March looks the forty five days. It doesn't look like

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Speaker 3: there's any joy in just maybe April.

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Speaker 2: May well, what are you gonna do? That's why we're

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00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: getting out. I like joy sapped of joy joyless.

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: We could use it and Indian a few weeks that

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00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: brings us joy.

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00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: You, I believe, I think you alone loved the Combine

636
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: more than for your tom foolery and Bally who. I

637
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: think the rest of us are.

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00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: Like I enjoyed. I enjoy it, but to the level

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Speaker 5: that Gibbe does.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that anyone aside from like the downtown

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Speaker 2: business owners in India avoid a joyed as much as

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Speaker 2: Gibbey does. I think they make their whole nut that week,

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00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: for the whole year, it's Combine week. Absolutely, that joint

644
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: and the Elmos and Harry and He's like their whole

645
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 2: year is made. We went to a place last year

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: that closed at eight o'clock. It didn't the place it was.

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00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: It was not a great decision by that close because

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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: the food was amazing.

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Speaker 2: But like they just closed at eight o'clock. Yeah business, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: we're done. Okay. Now, to be fair, we're the only

651
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: ones in there, so obviously there's a reason for it.

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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: But that just tells you, like, what, that's the whole

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00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: economy down there, I think, yeah, no question. All right.

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Speaker 4: This is from Jordan Reed, our good friend at ESPN.

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00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: He ranked the top twelve college quarterbacks coming out in

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00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: this year's draft after an All Star Game week. So

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00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: my question to you is who should be higher closer

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00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: than number one? Who should be lower? Closer to number twelve?

659
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: All right? Hit it keV higher or lower?

660
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: Number one? Is cam Ward? Number two? Shadere Sanders? Should

661
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: he be higher? Lower?

662
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: Or is he just right?

663
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: Bo?

664
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: Bishop? Should is my favorite quarterback in this draft? I

665
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: think he's I mean Z had an incredible breakdown of

666
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: it yesterday. It's a lot of the stuff that I

667
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: thought in the time i've watched him play. I think

668
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: he's I think he sees it. I think he's incredibly accurate.

669
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: I think his arm is more than fine. I think

670
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: he took a beating an offense that had no offensive

671
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: line and no run game, and he stood in there

672
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: and he threw and it wasn't Nickel Dimer's. It wasn't

673
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: a screen every other play like it was Billy Rafty,

674
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: Little Billy Raftrey. He loves to suck down at Johnny Black.

675
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: He's the best. Him and Vern Lundquist sucking down Johnny

676
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: Blacks in the in the hotel lobby in Newark, New

677
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: Jersey was an all timer. I'll just tell you that. Actually,

678
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: I think that that. I think Billis might even have

679
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: been on that crew with them, might have been the

680
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: three of them.

681
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 5: It's pretty loaded.

682
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: It was loaded, and they were Bills enjoys a cocktail.

683
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: So Shaud's number one for me.

684
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at this through the lens of the

685
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns and I and Shouldor's number one for me

686
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: as well. I think cam Ward might be number one

687
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: to the majority, not majority of the league, but two.

688
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: I think it could be split amongst the league. I

689
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: think there could be teams that are running, you know,

690
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: c and style offenses that would say we want cam Ward,

691
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: and there are teams that are running you know, other offenses,

692
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: and I would think of you know, Lions, US Rams,

693
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: anybody in those type of systems. The McVeigh, Shanahan, Niners

694
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: obviously would prefer Shoud door Sanders. So Sanders is my

695
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: number one, so I would say that he is better

696
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 3: than that. But you're talking about, to me a divide

697
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: between those two and everybody else that is as big

698
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: as the Grand Canyon. Like, I don't think there's a

699
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: third quarterback, and I'll have to. I'll dive into it,

700
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: and really I'll do kind of what I did on

701
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: Cam and Schaud. I'll do that next on Darton Milroe,

702
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: although I'm pretty my mind is pretty well made up

703
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: on Milroe. And then you could do McCord, Howard and Newers.

704
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 3: That would probably be a good three trio to do together.

705
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: And then Gabriel Rourke and Leonard I'd do as a three.

706
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Buckeye the Buckeye three.

707
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: I really think though that shaudor Sanders is it sees

708
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: everything that I want in a quarterback.

709
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: Everything.

710
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you well as you wass use six four, fine,

711
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 3: But how big is Jaden Daniels.

712
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: Right, I mean it doesn't matter. Yeah, like the fact

713
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: that he's not Josh Allen. There's one job. Josh Allen's

714
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: the outlier. There aren't that many. I mean, there was

715
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: a time when it was a steady diet of six

716
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: five quarterbacks. Like that's what you had to be, that

717
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: six four six five. I mean, like if you think

718
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: about Manning and even before that, I led Soe and

719
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: that's six nine Marino like all those guys. Montana was

720
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: the outlier then and and that, but the majority were

721
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: those guys that there aren't that many six four to two.

722
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's Herbert Allen.

723
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess as long as you're not Kyler Murray.

724
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ury's good.

725
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: But even if he is, you know, like Kyler Murray's

726
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: been effective. Bryce Young was effective this year. Well that

727
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: was great. That was a great moment showing I could

728
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: post him up. But like, no, there's I don't know,

729
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: I just there's he He is as prototypical as anybody's

730
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: six two next higher Coore Lower.

731
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: Jackson Dart is number three on mister Reid's list. Jalen

732
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: Milroe is number four. Is a girl higher lower or

733
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: just right? Obviously we have plenty of time. We have

734
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: eleven weeks from today, so this will.

735
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 5: Change again, it's not.

736
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: I have to watch more of him. But I do

737
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: think that Jalen Milroe has an intangible about him. He's

738
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: an incredible athlete, he put an offense on his back,

739
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: all of that. But in terms of what I want

740
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: to do in an offense and what I what Kevin

741
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: Stefancy wants to do in an offense, to me, he

742
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: might not.

743
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 5: He might as well not even be on the draft board.

744
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying.

745
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 3: I mean, like, if he's there saying that for a month,

746
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: if he's there in the fourth round or it's the

747
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: end of the third you're just saying, okay, we're just

748
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: rolling the dice here, ticket And he's somebody you have

749
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 3: to look at for what you believe he can become,

750
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: not what he is, because right now, what he is

751
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: not is a good accurate thrower of the football.

752
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: But so he wouldn't even be on my thing.

753
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: What you're hoping to find is that he can become,

754
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, the next Lamar Jackson, but he's not even

755
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: in that realm as a runner, and he Lamar Jackson

756
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: was actually a much better thrower than people seem to remember.

757
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: At Louisville.

758
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I said this. He's like he was like

759
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts before he went to quarterback, and then he

760
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: went that's what the that's what Milroe should have done.

761
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: He should have gone to USC for a year, or

762
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: he should have stayed with Alabama and played in an

763
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: offense that of the guy who developed Michael Pennix, who

764
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: nobody thought was the first round pick in Indiana, but

765
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: he became one at Washington under Klen de borr In,

766
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: the officive coordinator who they just tired, who spent a

767
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: year at the Seattle So either of those things would

768
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: have been more beneficial than trying to learn how to

769
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: play quarterback at the NFL while in the NFL.

770
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: So Jalen Hurts, who we were not, you weren't all

771
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: that high on, and his Alabambama tenure. In his Alabama tenure,

772
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: he was a sixty three percent passer, forty eight touchdown passes,

773
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: twelve picks. He ran for basically nine hundred yards a

774
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 3: season and ten touchdowns, So nine hundred yards, ten touchdowns,

775
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: and he averaged five point three yards of carry. I

776
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: don't even know what milros are, but I'm gonna pull

777
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: them up and we can compare that to those. So

778
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: Milroe in his time there was sixty four percent completions,

779
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: forty five touchdowns, twenty picks, so not as good of

780
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: a touchdown interception ratio, significantly fewer rushing yards now more

781
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: rushing touchdowns.

782
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 5: Because he was basically their goal line back.

783
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: But he averaged and he averaged four yards of carry

784
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: and not as many explosive runs at all, So he's

785
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: not even Hurts is even more dynamic, I think maybe

786
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: than Milroe.

787
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: Only The only thing I will say in defense of

788
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: Milroe versus Hurts is that Hurts played with probably the

789
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: best group of receivers in the history of the Alabama program.

790
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: And there was really only the Ryan Williams kid, who's

791
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old who was really only twenty three

792
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: and twenty three. It was similar there, there was there

793
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: wasn't a whole lot of weaponry there.

794
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was, he was better than twenty three. Obviously

795
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 5: it was with Tommy Reese.

796
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have they they did not have the

797
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: they had that run where they had Judy and Rugs

798
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: and Waddle and all those guys, DeVonta Smith like, that's

799
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: when Hurts was there and then they transferred into Tua,

800
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: but they didn't. They haven't had that type of weaponry.

801
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't discount what you're saying, because I agree with you.

802
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: By the way, Hurts then goes to Oklahoma and goes

803
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: seventy percent completions, thirty eight fifty one, thirty two touchdowns,

804
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: eight picks, and runs for thirteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns.

805
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: That's that's that's anyway, that's what he should have done.

806
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: And he went in the second round and he could

807
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: have got probably two and a half three million dollars

808
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: in nil and.

809
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 5: He went in the second around. Yeah, and Lamar.

810
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: Lamar was not as accurate, although he was a prolific

811
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: passer in terms of touchdowns averaged like twenty eight and

812
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: a half over his last two years there with nine

813
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: and a half interceptions. But then Lamar was running for

814
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: sixteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns and seven yards of carry.

815
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

816
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 7: He is.

817
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 3: And look, there has been coaching and it's gotten better.

818
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: But to me, he feels a lot more like a

819
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: Malik Willis than he does a Lamar Jackson. Yeah, Emlik

820
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: will has ended up going to the third and it

821
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: kind of was a nice little backup for the Green

822
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: Bay Packers.

823
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: He did a nice job this year.

824
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get back into the QB things. But the

825
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 4: Cavs have just made a trade on NBA trade deadline.

826
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant coming to Cleveland. Can you believe it?

827
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 5: I'm kidding what this guy from the guy from the Hawks.

828
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: I just like making fun of like NBA Twitter because

829
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: they act like everyone, but like somehow this shift is

830
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: the balance of power. Oh my god, Oh my god.

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 4: So they got what from shams the Hawks trading forward

832
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hunter to the Cavs for Karis Labert, George Niang,

833
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 4: three second round.

834
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: Picks and two swats.

835
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: George, your boy DeAndre Hunter averaging nineteen a game.

836
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 5: Boy, sad, that's very sad.

837
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: That's your boy. Man. Good for them. Then he's got

838
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: a bit of length, a little bit of shooting. He

839
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: was at Virginia right on the team that won the

840
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: national title.

841
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: Yes, right, yeah, so yeah, when'd you say get nineteen points,

842
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: four boards, one and a half assists, not really passing

843
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: the ball a lot forty six percent forty from three

844
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: to eighty.

845
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: Six at the line.

846
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: So he's been solid plus minus for the season. He

847
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: seems like a he seems like a good player, never

848
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: an All Stars.

849
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: This is uh, let's see, there's twenty seven.

850
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: This is his most productive year that he's had so

851
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: far in the league. Nineteen point seek career high, nineteen

852
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: points a game, comes off the bench in at Land.

853
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: So he's a flat He's like a vine of the microwave.

854
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: Johnson a good length six eight, two, twenty five. So

855
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 3: they're looking to go Garland Mitchell Hunter.

856
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: Would he start at the three and then and then

857
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: Alan and Mobley would be your closing five.

858
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: Actually might want shows to come off the bench at

859
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: this point.

860
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Wade.

861
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 5: Santasy and Yango.

862
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: He's your boy.

863
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 7: He is.

864
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 5: I'll give him a credit. I got himself. He looked

865
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 5: great this year, was.

866
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: He?

867
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 7: He?

868
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: He he raised his Not that he cares about my pantheon,

869
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: but he definitely raised his his profile.

870
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: I had a different nickname for him. It is not

871
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: appropriate for the year.

872
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 3: Career high forty seven percent this year nine points a game,

873
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: four boards and assist.

874
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

875
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: So good job by the Cavaliers making a move. Trade

876
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: deadline coming quickly, I believe so. Yeah, our and twenty minutes. Yeah,

877
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: the next level will have.

878
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: More kers put themselves in a pretty good spot.

879
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, say why.

880
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 5: It's almost mind buggling how they some of these trades

881
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 5: were made.

882
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: They that all happened, Yeah, quite a bit, pretty good

883
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: spot there.

884
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: And the guy that the center they got, Yeah, they

885
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: got him from Charlotte the longest wingspan.

886
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 5: Why did Charlie gi him up?

887
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: I don't get the gave him an unprotected first and

888
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one Dalton connect, I don't.

889
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: Know twenty thirty one, Like, are you even gonna is

890
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: that person even gonna be the GM in twenty thirty one?

891
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: What are you going to do with it? Assets? Baby,

892
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: get some more assets? Assets.

893
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: I know somebody who knows the uh, somebody knows the

894
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 3: ownership group there in Charlotte pretty.

895
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: Well, former ownership group, I believe. Now, No, I mean

896
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: the new oh new new new new. Okay, I think so.

897
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: I think you're referring to someone else you knew, who

898
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: knew that?

899
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 7: Now?

900
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: Ye?

901
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, all right, fine, I'm just going

902
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: to give you the rest of the list because it's

903
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: hard because we haven't evaluated, but just in the an

904
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 4: early look, I just think.

905
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 3: It's also important to note, though, in here is that

906
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: you've got Ward and Chaudore, as he said, separated their

907
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: day one dart mid to late day two.

908
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: You guys are g Man's in there clipping our thoughts

909
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: on the calves trade and putting them up on social No.

910
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: Jordan's doctor, Jorge, doctor ju If you want an NBA

911
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: trade break down, so we can, we can give that

912
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: to you.

913
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: We were twenty twenty four kid, he's got he's got it,

914
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: flying man. It's twenty five crushing it tonight. I'm gonna

915
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: give you my uh are we are? We?

916
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: Are you good with it? Because I have?

917
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 4: I ranked him one through ten for me, that's fine.

918
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Shadoor one, Cam two, Howard three, Jackson Dart four,

919
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: quin you Wers five, Dylan Gabriel six, Milrose seven, McCord eight,

920
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: Rourke Leonard nine ten.

921
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 5: Not this the Louisville guy.

922
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: He's on our list. It's not on the list that

923
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: I was that we had. Where I'm going from.

924
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 5: Oh, because he's skipped number nine.

925
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: Tyler, he's anywhere shuck his number nine and Max Brosmer

926
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: from Minnesota's number ten.

927
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see that. So I just saw this list.

928
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: I gotcha, and I ranked them accordingly.

929
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: These are good, though I'd like to keep them in

930
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: a I don't want to again. I don't like to

931
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: read these things before I watch. I like to go

932
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: in a completely blind.

933
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Speaker 4: That's today's edition of Higher or Lower.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 2: Former Ohio State Office coordinator Chip Kelly went on the

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Speaker 2: Audible podcast with Stuart Mandel and Bruce Fellon, spoke fairly

950
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: highly of his time at Ohio State. Here is Kelly

951
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: on what makes Ohio State so special.

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00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 8: What makes Ohio State so special is that, you know,

953
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 8: the brotherhood there is real. Those guys truly love each

954
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 8: other and they played for each other and were as

955
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Speaker 8: connected as any team that I have had an opportunity

956
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 8: to be around. And it was there was a maturity

957
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 8: that group that was led by the seniors. You know,

958
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 8: Donovan Jackson, Seth McLoughlin, will ameca on offense, and then JT. Jack, Cody, Simon, Lathan, Ransom,

959
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 8: Caleb du There's so many like I hadn't been around

960
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 8: a team that had so many leaders. You know, sometimes

961
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 8: it falls on the shoulder of one or two people,

962
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 8: but it certainly fell on the shoulders of an entire group.

963
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 8: Trevon Henderson, I know I'm missing guys because the list keeps.

964
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 9: Going on and on.

965
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: Incidentally, today officially Brian Hartline named the offensive coordinator Ohio

966
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: State and he will call plays. He's the best position

967
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: recruiter in the sport in the last decade and has

968
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: never called plays before. But he's gotten an apprenticeship under

969
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: Ryan for all these years and now under Chip for

970
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: one so it is certainly time for him to take

971
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: on that role. And officially that is done. They're just

972
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: waiting on defensive coordinator down in Columbus. One of the

973
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: guys and probably the most important recruit of Brian Hartlin's

974
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: career was Jeremiah Smith. Here was Chip Kelly on the

975
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: precocious Buckeye receiver.

976
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 9: I've never been.

977
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 8: Around a younger player like that that is that mature

978
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 8: and has that type of work ethic. Like most of

979
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 8: the time, young guys are still trying to figure out

980
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 8: the speed of the game. They're trying to figure out

981
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 8: how they fit in and what are the drills. And

982
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 8: with JJ, a lot of the things that happen with

983
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 8: him is trying to back him off, like, hey, you

984
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 8: don't have to go full speed right now. It's a

985
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 8: Thursday practice. We're going to throw the ball to the

986
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 8: left side of the field. We're gonna shut the right

987
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 8: side receivers down. And he would get mad like, no,

988
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 8: I want to run the backside post, or like, Jaj,

989
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 8: we're not going to throw the backside post. He's like,

990
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 8: I don't know, but it's a better It's a rep

991
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 8: for me. I need the rep, and he was. It's

992
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 8: just that maturity and that that work ethic to go

993
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 8: along with as good a physical skills as I've ever

994
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 8: seen at that age is really what makes JJ special.

995
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: Two more years at least the kid can get rich.

996
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: He's crushing it, and the old days he couldn't. You

997
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 2: just had the like Clorette had to challenge and Claire

998
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: actually one. People don't realize that Clorette actually won against

999
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: in the in his lawsuit and gain the ability. You

1000
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: don't do that anymore. You can get paid and Jerry

1001
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: I Will. Peter King, who's been on this program before,

1002
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: was made an appearance on the main event with Andrew

1003
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: Marsha on Here is PK on IRV.

1004
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 9: Dealing with Michael Irvin was utterly fantastic. Everybody else there

1005
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 9: was buttoned up. Irvin was absolutely wide open. The first

1006
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 9: time I ever interviewed him at length, he said, I'm

1007
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 9: going to take you to my office, and he took

1008
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 9: me to a strip club and I quite literally interviewed

1009
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 9: him at a strip club and he loved it. He said, man,

1010
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 9: this is great. Now I got something to hold over

1011
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 9: your head.

1012
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: Greater.

1013
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: I wanted more, but it's all behind a paywall. He

1014
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 4: talked for like forty minutes, and I guess there were

1015
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 4: some amazing stories but I wanted more from that.

1016
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you. I would tell you that

1017
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: you remember that that show originally was supposed to be

1018
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: called Showtime, and I think they switched it to Winning

1019
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: Time on HBO. About the Lakers, Yeah, and Jerry Buss. Yeah,

1020
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: you give me the Cowboys, Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson late eighties,

1021
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: early nineties Cowboys, one of those out and I get

1022
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: you on the beach with little come on with those guys.

1023
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: Come on, give me that, give me that story, Hey, hey, hey,

1024
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: come on, come on. He was also this continued his

1025
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: his relationship Peter King, his relationship with Bill Belichick.

1026
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 9: I haven't talked to Bill Belichick since twenty oh six,

1027
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 9: which was pretty hard in my position. But he got

1028
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 9: mad during Spygate at something I wrote and said, and

1029
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 9: so he just chose to never talk to me again.

1030
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 9: But that's just the hazard of the business. That's the

1031
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 9: way life goes.

1032
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: Since twenty two thousand and six, he's had to write

1033
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: about them, how many Super Bowls they get to.

1034
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: And he would not talk to him. No, Little Arius

1035
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: Stark and Bill Belichick had like, hey, got a lift, boy,

1036
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: got a list? Baby? All right? Second out of the

1037
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Speaker 2: program coming up next, we kick it off with the

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Speaker 4: Pound Cleveland brown favorite all time NBA player from any.

1055
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Speaker 2: Team, Magic Johnson.

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Speaker 5: That would be Rex Chapman.

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Speaker 4: Jersey hung in this room for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was great. Yeah, I mean Magic was my

1059
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: favorite athlete ever. I mean for most of you who

1060
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Speaker 2: the way that you look feel about Bernie, that's the

1061
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: way as a kid I felt about Magic.

1062
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Speaker 4: Did you see the other night Magic and Kareem at

1063
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: the u c l A Michigan State game. I did

1064
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: see that.

1065
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: I did, I did, I did see that. Yeah. Yeah,

1066
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: It's always a little disarming when I when I was

1067
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: a kid, and I would see him in the Michigan

1068
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: State green because you hated the Celtics so much, You're like,

1069
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: what is he doing in that? And then you know

1070
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: know him from that part of it.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Brownsbackers, North Jersey. Bo just mentioned wanting a Cowboys

1072
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: style of the show Winning Time. Not sure if you're

1073
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 4: aware Winning Time is based on a book by Jeff Pearlman,

1074
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: who also did write a book about the Jerry Jimmy

1075
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Speaker 4: IRV era Cowboys.

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00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: So I was aware that Pearlman wrote the Winning the

1077
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: Showtime book, and I was aware that there was an

1078
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: executi producer on the series. There was a lot of

1079
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: talk about that. Part of the reason that it got

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00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: because if you did you guys watch it? Did you

1081
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: guys watch Winning Time? Yes? Okay, it was really I

1082
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: thought it was a fun watch. But there was a

1083
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: lot of it ended quite abruptly, like they didn't even

1084
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: get to the point where they actually beat the Celtics.

1085
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: The last of it was the Celtics and then they stopped.

1086
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: So a lot of then I looked into it, and

1087
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: Pearlman was really upset about it. From what I could tell,

1088
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: a lot of it, I do is like the Bus

1089
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: family were really pissed about the way that it was portrayed.

1090
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: Magic was pissed, and they're in Los Angeles, so like

1091
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: the media, they were like, you don't you don't go

1092
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: with the Lakers. Hollywood doesn't go with the Lakers. They

1093
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: walk hand in hand and everything. Yep. And that that's

1094
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: probably why that stopped soon. I did know that when

1095
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: he said it. I did remember Pearlman wrote the book

1096
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: about the Cowboys. I mean, that's the problem is you

1097
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: could never get you'd never get in a f licensing

1098
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: Like it's actually surprised that Winning Time got NBA licensing

1099
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: for all of it. I think it's wild that they did,

1100
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: especially the way they portrayed like Jerry West like, so,

1101
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd ever get the NFL to participate

1102
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: with all of the stories of the Cowboys in the

1103
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: early nineties late eighties. But if you did, Jerry might

1104
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 2: be crazy enough to do it. He might, like himself

1105
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: being think he would sign up on that as long

1106
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: as he got final say on the edits that.

1107
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna find him as mistake in shape?

1108
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Are you gonna tell me he can't?

1109
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 5: I saw it with my own eyes?

1110
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: Did you finish, by the way, land Man?

1111
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 5: Did you finish tomorrow?

1112
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: Night?

1113
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 7: O CA?

1114
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: So you have one episode left?

1115
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 3: Yep?

1116
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: This going? We just we were traveled luck going?

1117
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 5: You want to watch that?

1118
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: And yeah?

1119
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 5: Locked in?

1120
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Locked in? Yeah?

1121
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 4: Menudo man Uh. Speaking of Super Bowl and Super Bowl coaches,

1122
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: why does Joe Gibbs not get more respect? He won

1123
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: three Super Bowls with three different qbs.

1124
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: I think very simply put because he disappeared off the

1125
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: face of the football landscape and went and ran a

1126
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: NASCAR team and did it quite well. Yeah, I mean

1127
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: they won championships with Tony Stewart with but Joe Gibbs racing.

1128
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: But I think I think he just had him and

1129
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: Denny Hamlin. I think that he probably just because he

1130
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: he had those super Bowls and then he just left,

1131
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: like in the middle of it.

1132
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: When did he ask which was what in like the

1133
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: ninety two Yeah, early ninety He just hasn't been around.

1134
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: He just hasn't been around. Then he went back, Remember

1135
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 2: Cider got him to come back and coach them again,

1136
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: and it went okay, but not like obviously what it

1137
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: was before.

1138
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: Uh that TV show that your father was watching the

1139
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: other night. Yeah, All Creatures great and small. RF by

1140
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 4: the way, go ahead, Oh you were curious. We have

1141
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 4: an update from Pedro.

1142
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 5: All Creatures has been our favorite PBS show for years.

1143
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: Hell out of here? Yeah.

1144
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: Put the two of them together in a room to

1145
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 4: watch it. Yeah, and I want to live stream it,

1146
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 4: especially if fisticuffs breakout. G Man's like it's our Manning

1147
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 4: Caste would.

1148
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 5: Be Man would be amazing.

1149
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'd be as good. I don't

1150
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: know what.

1151
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: I think.

1152
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: It's all in play. They might not say anything to

1153
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 2: each other, they might just stare. I don't know. I

1154
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: don't know what it would be like.

1155
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 4: Rf UK says I live in the UK.

1156
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who watches that. Two old dudes

1157
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: in the State studio.

1158
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah they do, there's no question about that.

1159
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: Uh, that's it.

1160
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, an early edition of the mail Bag.

1161
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 5: All right, there you go.

1162
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: Uh, actually I did have one other guy. Did you

1163
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: watch the Colorado versus Kansas State game?

1164
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: By chance?

1165
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 5: I have not yet, but I want I am eager

1166
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 5: to watch.

1167
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: All right, that's the one I want to watch.

1168
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 4: Jonathan says, that's the game I watched with Shader when

1169
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, this dude's got it.

1170
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: Yep.

1171
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: Hunter left early with an injury. He was under constant

1172
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: pressure all games still through for four hundred and three tds.

1173
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 3: Here here's another one real quick from tying into that,

1174
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 3: mister camtastic, what about the college resume tools and level

1175
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 3: of competition for both Warden Sanders convinces you that either

1176
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 3: could outplay Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Jacks and Daniels or Stroud

1177
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: were either a special in college as those six guys

1178
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: in your opinion, So Mahomes.

1179
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: Yes they were?

1180
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 5: They were?

1181
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1182
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 5: Is the all the short answers? I mean, Josh one

1183
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 5: of the most.

1184
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: Raw prospects upon being drafted. All right, So, and I

1185
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: would argue that that so much credit goes to him,

1186
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: but also the stability had in Buffalo allowed for him

1187
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: to be the player that he was. But he was

1188
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: a he was one of those guys where it said,

1189
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: can you teach accuracy?

1190
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get Okay, So just here, who's the list?

1191
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: Allen, Allen, Mahomes.

1192
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: Mahomes, Borrow, Ye Stroud okay, Lamar okay, and Jaden Daniels.

1193
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: First of all, yeah, all right, So Shador Sanders have

1194
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: three Heisman Trophy winners.

1195
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 7: There.

1196
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: Sha Sanders is the career leader in FBS Division one

1197
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: in complete some percentage at seventy two percent for his

1198
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 3: career last year seventy four thirty four yards, thirty seven touchdowns,

1199
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: ten I in ts. And you have to understand, played

1200
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 3: behind the worst offensive line that any of these guys

1201
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: played behind.

1202
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: Four a no ground game, no ground game at all,

1203
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: in a nice league. Not the best league, but a

1204
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: nice league. All right, So the third best league in

1205
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: college football.

1206
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 5: Last year, cam Ward.

1207
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: Was fourth, and that they were both, you know, in

1208
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: the Heisen ballot and cam Ward this year sixty seven

1209
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: percent forty three thirteen thirty nine tds, seven I in ts,

1210
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: very very productive. He had any average about five yard,

1211
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: five rushing td s. Chador had four rushing tds. Then

1212
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: you said, what, Josh, Allen, I'm just gonna do everybody's

1213
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: like best season.

1214
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

1215
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's best season was fifty six percent completions three

1216
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: thy two hundred and three yards, twenty eight touchdowns and

1217
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: led the country with fifteen picks. His last there was

1218
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: fifty six percent completions, eighteen hundred yards, sixteen touchdowns, six picks.

1219
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: He was not the runner in college that he is

1220
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: in the NFL. At all ran for two hundred and

1221
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: forty yards two point two a carry and five touchdowns.

1222
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: So certainly there was the tools, the size, all of

1223
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: that were. That's what you saw from him. Mahomes, remember,

1224
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: was super prolific at Texas Tech.

1225
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: There were seven hundred yards in a game.

1226
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Mahomes was sixty five his best year sixty

1227
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: five percent, five fifty two yards, forty one touchdowns. He

1228
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: threw five hundred and ninety one passes. For a comparison,

1229
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: let me see just strike real quick on Shador and

1230
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: again not much as a runner, but rushing touchdowns he was.

1231
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: That was verre.

1232
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 5: But that was also no defense.

1233
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: It was also big twelve. It was also Mike Leach

1234
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: into Cliff Kingsbury, and so what you you had was,

1235
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Tubberville was there for a Cup of coffee,

1236
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: but it was they had an established way of playing football.

1237
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just going out score you. We're going to

1238
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 4: get all give up fifty, but we're going to Our

1239
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 4: goal was.

1240
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 5: To just put it in perspective.

1241
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: Chador and Shador through four hundred and seventy seven pass

1242
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: came more through four to fifty four. Patrick Mahomes who

1243
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: five hundred and ninety one. Yeah, that season, Uh, Burrow

1244
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: played Burrow, although it is obviously Burrow had the best

1245
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: college football season ever five thousand, six hundred seventy one

1246
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: and sixty with seventy six percent completions.

1247
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not making that's actually what he did. No,

1248
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: that was that's not xbox like, that's what he actually did.

1249
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: And he played with seventy seventy seventy six five thousand,

1250
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 3: six hundred and seventy one, sixty touchdown six picks.

1251
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Is that good? It's ten to one

1252
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: touchdown interception? Is that a way?

1253
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 5: It's quite he seventy six.

1254
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 3: He've had justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase and Wholed Edwards.

1255
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: Hilaire, Randy Moss's kid was the tight end, and they

1256
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: had the guy who was slot receiver who ended up

1257
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: Harris Marshall, Yeah, Marshall, Yeah.

1258
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 5: Who was I think, by the way the team in touchdowns?

1259
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so he played. I mean.

1260
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 5: Cam Ward maybe that receiver is a Day two pick?

1261
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: Is he.

1262
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 5: He's I don't know that he's a first rounder.

1263
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: Maybe Stroud was very productive, but he also had three

1264
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: number one receivers. But he's thirty six eighty eight. His

1265
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: best year was seventy two forty four, thirty five, forty

1266
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: four and six. So that's kind of similar to cam

1267
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: and Shadoor with. I don't think it's unfair to say

1268
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: significantly better talent around him.

1269
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: I would say if the quarterback, or do you have

1270
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: one more than you want to do one more?

1271
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 3: So we got Lamar or who we got Jayden Daniels

1272
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: and we have Lamar Lamar, We already went over different

1273
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: type of quarterback, certainly productive as well.

1274
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: Jade Daniels very similar to Burrow's situation, except he didn't

1275
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: win as much. But they had Brian Thomas and they

1276
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: had the kid at the Giants.

1277
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: He was a better runner than either Shador or cam Ward,

1278
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: but he was as a passer seventy two, thirty eight

1279
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: hundred and forty and four. But again you're talking about

1280
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: multiple first round picks. Straud had three, right than Strada

1281
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: that year had Wilson.

1282
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: Well, they had js N, Wilson, Marv at one point

1283
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: he had he had four of them, four four first

1284
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: round receivers.

1285
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: When we're talking about Travis Hunter, Wellbuca was on that team.

1286
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 5: And from cam Ward's side of it, on that Miami team.

1287
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: Nobody like that. I think the one of these that's

1288
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: most similar just in terms of the way that they

1289
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: that none of them he's he's a lot like the

1290
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: way he plays is a lot like how Caleb Williams

1291
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: played like that. To me, they're very similar. I don't

1292
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: know what the separator is between for scouts, between Caleb

1293
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: and and Shaudure because they they're about the same size wise,

1294
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: they play the same. They both kind of at times

1295
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: held onto it too long to create something.

1296
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1297
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: I think I think the two of them are very

1298
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: very similar.

1299
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 5: I mean, he's got better numbers than than Caleb.

1300
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: Now, Caleb's junior year, or I guess his sophomore year

1301
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: was sixty six percent forty five hundred, forty two and five.

1302
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: Last year was sixty eight percent thirty six hundred and

1303
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: thirty and five, and he was not much of a

1304
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: runner either in his own right.

1305
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: The Josh Allen, the Josh Allen one is is what

1306
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: was one of the biggest gambles, yep. And it worked

1307
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: out in terms of nobody you saw the physical traits,

1308
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: but it was a piece of clay Man, big time

1309
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: piece of clay or seven percent completions.

1310
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 5: So that was somebody.

1311
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 3: And I think the name that was in terms of

1312
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: somebody who was that inaccurate was Jake Locker who went

1313
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: and he was at Washington at least Washington Wyoming.

1314
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, like usually when you're at a smaller.

1315
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: School totally you know, with like Locker big like that too,

1316
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: and Locker I think he was quite as big like

1317
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: as that solid runner.

1318
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 5: No, but he was afraid he was.

1319
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 3: That's what I remember at the time in that draft,

1320
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: that's what people we saying. There's only person at completely

1321
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 3: percentage that low was was Locker, and obviously he did

1322
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: not that they want. I mean, yeah, there's no doubt

1323
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 3: these guys are as productive now. Burrow and Stroud had

1324
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: a completely different scheme. If you were to extrapolate, by

1325
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 3: the way Chador's numbers to five hundred ninety one attempts.

1326
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 3: He actually probably he has a better completion percentage. He

1327
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 3: would absolutely have more yards, more touchdowns than Mahomes. Same

1328
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: with kim Ward by the way, So yeah, they're certainly

1329
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 3: a part. Burrows season is the greatest season ever.

1330
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: Those are the two and Burrows.

1331
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: Again, he had Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Where his

1332
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: top receivers you just mentioned four Probably if Abuka goes late,

1333
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 3: first five first rounders at various points touched Stroud.

1334
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: Yes, like that's in same thing with Jayden, with Thomas

1335
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: and who is the adience receiver?

1336
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 3: Oh Neighbors, right, neighbors and Brian Thomas. Last year at LSU, Yeah,

1337
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: like Chador has Hunter and then Cam cam Ward's best

1338
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 3: guy is Resteppo who had eleven hundred and twenty seven

1339
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: yards and eleven touchdowns. And then he had that good

1340
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: tight end that I was talking about, Elijah Royo had

1341
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 3: five ninety and seven.

1342
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 5: They had another guy, Jacolby George seven fifty two and eight.

1343
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: Now you're talking, Yeah, that's the thing you're talking about

1344
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: some of these teams where you're I mean you are.

1345
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 5: Loaded up, loaded up.

1346
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that LSU team Brian Thomas had eleven seventy seven

1347
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 3: seventeen yards of catching seventeen touchdowns. Neighbors had fifteen sixty

1348
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 3: nine seventeen six yards of catching fourteen touchdowns.

1349
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come on, come on, sheeesh. You put the

1350
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: peanut butter and jelly on first one, making a PB

1351
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: and J from trey. I go peanut butter on both

1352
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: pieces of bread, and then peanut butter and jelly seven

1353
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: for the kids in a long time.

1354
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 4: You peanut butter first, jelly on the other on the

1355
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 4: other piece of bread, but with no peanut butter butter.

1356
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

1357
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 5: Did cheese not sure?

1358
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: Cheese right in the middle of peanut butter and jelly.

1359
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: I'll be damned, I never heard of that. Now I go,

1360
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: I likely toast, I lightly toast it because I like

1361
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: the peanut butter melty, and then I go butter first,

1362
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 2: then peanut butter on both breads, and then the jelly

1363
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: or jam in the middle. Yeah, that's the way I

1364
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: go on that. But a double peanut butter double also

1365
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: got one on soups, So the Super Bowl of Food.

1366
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: You can pick any soup to eat before the Super Bowl.

1367
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: What would it be you can't choose chili. I wouldn't.

1368
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't consider it a soup, and it's down the

1369
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: list of if it was considered a soup, it would

1370
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: be down the list.

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Speaker 7: For me.

1372
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Speaker 5: My number one would do my beef soup. I'd be

1373
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 5: number one.

1374
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what. You give me A split

1375
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: pee with a nice ham like a smoked haam, like

1376
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: a smoked hamhawk in that sucker. No bacon you had

1377
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: it in there. Unbelievable.

1378
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 5: I like a pasta.

1379
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: Delicious. Come on.

1380
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: I like a great ramen, A great I love a

1381
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 3: good ramen. Big Robin guy, huge, Yeah, huge Ramen guy.

1382
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. There you go. All right we will do take

1383
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: continue our tour around the AFC with Mike Chapel in

1384
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: Indianapolis on where the Colts are momentarily. You have that

1385
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: to look forward to. You listen to Cleveland on Daley

1386
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Speaker 2: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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1390
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Speaker 2: You joined today at Barkingbackers dot com. We continue our

1394
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: tour around the AFC team reviews, off season previews. You're

1395
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: in India, Indianapolis now. Mike Chapel now of Fox fifty

1396
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: nine in India. He's a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter.

1397
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 2: He's covered the Colt since eighty four. He joins on

1398
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1399
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Speaker 2: see official sponsor for Cleveland Browns. Keep it Twisted Cleveland. Mike,

1400
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time. Let's start

1401
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: at quarterback with Anthony Richardson. How does the organization view

1402
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: him two years in.

1403
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 6: With with questions, which is not where you want to

1404
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 6: be two years in with a quarterback that you knew

1405
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 6: was going to be something of a project. It just

1406
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 6: hasn't gone the way they anticipated. What really messed it

1407
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 6: up was getting having the shoulder injury five games into

1408
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 6: his rookie season, and that you know it limits into

1409
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 6: four games as a rookie, but almost more importantly, it

1410
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 6: didn't allow him to do his off season work to

1411
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 6: become a better quarterback and learn the position. Remember, he

1412
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 6: had played thirteen he started thirteen games in Florida, so

1413
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 6: he needed all the work he could get, all the practice,

1414
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 6: to get all the offseason work, and that that didn't happen.

1415
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 6: And I thought we saw a regression in the total

1416
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 6: package last year. Yes, he's a dynamic arounder, no one

1417
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 6: questioned that, but he completed like forty seven percent of

1418
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 6: his passes. That was That was a franchise worst. And

1419
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 6: this franchise has been around a long time since it

1420
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 6: goes back to Baltimore. So it just doesn't You can't.

1421
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 6: You can't compete in the NFL when you're quarterback. A

1422
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 6: good day is fifty percent completion. So that's what this

1423
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 6: off season's got to be all about, you know, work

1424
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 6: on your craft and be the kind of player. You

1425
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 6: know again, yes you're He's already set the franchise record

1426
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 6: for rushing in a single season this year and he

1427
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 6: missed again six games. But the passing has got to

1428
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 6: be there. I can go around the league and I'm

1429
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 6: talking to one. If the quarterback doesn't work, the team

1430
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 6: doesn't work.

1431
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been saying it. I've been saying it, man,

1432
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,520
Speaker 3: pretty simple, that's been our problem unfortunate. Were you surprised

1433
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: that Shane Steichen and GM Chris Ballard both are back?

1434
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 6: Yeah? Good question, Uh, Stikeen. It would have been hard

1435
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 6: to walk away from him after two years. He's not

1436
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 6: you know, he's a five hundred coach nine and eight

1437
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 6: and eight nine. Chris Ballard. I never I never lobby

1438
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 6: for people to get fired. I just don't. I'm not

1439
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 6: wired that way. But again, after eight seasons, it has

1440
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 6: it hasn't taken the team where you wanted to go.

1441
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 6: They haven't won the really mediocre AFC South since twenty fourteen,

1442
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 6: and there have been some bad teams in the last

1443
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 6: two years. Houston has begged to get in the division

1444
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 6: and the Colts haven't done it. It just shows the

1445
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 6: trust that owner Jim Mercy has in Chris Ballard. It

1446
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 6: would have been and it would have been really hard

1447
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 6: to get rid of Chris Ballard and keep Shane's taken

1448
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 6: because you're telling you a new GM whoever that is, Oh,

1449
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 6: by the way, here's your coach and your and your quarterback,

1450
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 6: which would have been really difficult to do. So it's

1451
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 6: no one has said it, but twenty twenty five it's

1452
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 6: you know, something's got to happen. They had to show

1453
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 6: some serious improvement, which means I would think at the

1454
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 6: very least a wild card birth and again division would

1455
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 6: be ideal. And if that doesn't happen, maybe they just

1456
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 6: clean house. And a lot of people around here thought

1457
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 6: they should have done that this year, which it's really

1458
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 6: hard to give up. Again, I'm a young head coach,

1459
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 6: and maybe more so a quarterback who's twenty two. He starts,

1460
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 6: did fifteen games in the pros, and he shows you

1461
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 6: some stuff, So it'd be really hard to give up

1462
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 6: on a quarterback like that. But but if it doesn't work,

1463
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 6: then then you know, you reset it for next year

1464
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 6: and it's gonna take you, I don't know, two or

1465
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 6: three years to come back from that. So if Richardson

1466
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 6: doesn't work, it's going to be several years before this

1467
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 6: team gets back to where it's at least competitive.

1468
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: So, Mike, what are they what are they in your

1469
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: from your vantage point? What do they need to do

1470
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 2: this offseason to give Richardson a chance the best possible

1471
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: chance to prove what he is at the highest level.

1472
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: Because to me, as I was listening to you to

1473
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 2: answer that question, you know you talk about being a

1474
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: wildcard team and all of that. In twenty twenty five,

1475
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: he has to make a leap. What what in your

1476
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: view do they have to do free agency, draft support

1477
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: staff around him to get him in a position to

1478
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 2: give them that type of reward.

1479
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 6: Well inviting, he does holds up his part. Yeah, and

1480
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 6: he and because again one of the biggest stains on

1481
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 6: last year the injuries. Yes, but they benched him two

1482
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 6: games last year because he just hadn't shown the right

1483
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 6: preparation or whatever, focused detail whatever, which to me is damning.

1484
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 6: That's just damning for a quarterback. Yeah, but let's say

1485
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 6: that he takes of his business and he's back to

1486
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 6: where not back, but he's completing fifty five percent. I've

1487
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 6: got a low bar for him. But the rest of

1488
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 6: him around me, right, the offensive line is going to

1489
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 6: be different. Ryan Kelly, his nine year you know, all

1490
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 6: pro guy and all their Pro Bowl and all this,

1491
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 6: probably won't be back. Will be a free agent. He

1492
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 6: wants to play. They have made no attempt to resign him.

1493
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 6: Brayden Smith are right. Tackle missed the last few games

1494
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 6: for personal reasons, and they they've never expanded on that.

1495
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 6: So whatever, he's dealing with it's it's significant. Hopefully he

1496
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 6: comes back from it. If not, I hope, you know,

1497
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 6: they'll move on and hopefully he'll get his whatever you know,

1498
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 6: resolved and he can get back to being Braden Smith

1499
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 6: and nice guy. Right guard Will Fryes was playing at

1500
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 6: a probow level and he breaks his leg I don't know,

1501
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 6: a month, month and a half into the season. So

1502
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 6: there's three fifths of their offensive line. They need to

1503
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 6: tight end so bad. Their collection of tight ends caught

1504
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 6: like thirty nine passes this year. The last time they

1505
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 6: had a group catch fewer was in nineteen ninety four.

1506
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 6: So and this is this is a team that a

1507
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 6: lot of people thought that brock Bowers would have been

1508
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 6: a nice addition to it. What do you catch one

1509
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 6: hundred and you know, one hundred and some on thousand yards?

1510
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 6: So offensively, they need to fix the line, which they've

1511
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 6: drafted to sort of do that. You need to tight end,

1512
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 6: You need to back up running back as Jonathan Taylor,

1513
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 6: you know, running backs get hurt, so they need somebody

1514
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 6: to step in and be a He's replacement when he's

1515
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 6: out if he's out, and they.

1516
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 9: Need a.

1517
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 6: Pass rusher as everybody does. They need a starting outside corner,

1518
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 6: and they need a starting safety and then depth all

1519
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 6: that stuff. But they need to be active in free agency,

1520
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 6: whatever people think that is. I think they need to

1521
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 6: add three or four players. I'm not talking a backup whatever.

1522
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 6: I'm talking a guy to come in and if he's

1523
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 6: not going to start, he's going to be a significant

1524
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 6: rotational guy. But they need to add three guys four

1525
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 6: guys free agency, which they really haven't done a lot.

1526
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 6: They tend to want to resign their own, but there's

1527
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 6: too many holes and there's too much urgency to win

1528
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 6: to stick with the way you've done it because the

1529
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 6: way you've done it largely hasn't worked.

1530
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 3: No, it's a good draft for tight ends if that's

1531
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: the way that they want to go there with their

1532
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: first pick, number fourteen overall in the first round, should

1533
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to maybe get a good tight end there.

1534
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: That's a good receiving corps. Do you think in terms

1535
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 3: of the quarterback plan you mentioned Richardson Obviously he's the

1536
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 3: one that they hope. Can you said get to fifty

1537
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 3: five percent? You had Joe Flacco, who we certainly love

1538
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 3: from his time here in Cleveland, last year. But is

1539
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: this a team where you think they're going to bring

1540
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 3: in a kind of capable backup, because you know, in

1541
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: terms of Pittman and Downs and Pierce who averaged twenty

1542
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: two point three yards of catch this year, Ada Ni

1543
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 3: Mitchell as well, you've actually got some real talent at

1544
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 3: wide receiver. You got a great ground game, and then

1545
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 3: if you had a tight end in this deep tight

1546
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: end class, you could have a real nice skill set

1547
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,919
Speaker 3: skill group on offense to go with with a quarterback.

1548
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is funny. I did something on Pierce and

1549
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 6: Mitchell the other day and kind d of but it's

1550
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 6: really kind of telling. They had three receivers with eight

1551
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 6: hundred yards this year.

1552
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 2: Yep.

1553
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 6: And that's happened one time in franchise history once and

1554
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 6: that was an O four with Marvin Harrison and Reggie

1555
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 6: Wayne and Brandon Soviet. They were over one thousand. I

1556
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 6: like the room you'd like to have to take the

1557
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 6: top off the defensive guy, the number one guy, you know,

1558
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 6: the chases and Jefferson's and those things. Well you don't

1559
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 6: have that, which if you can compliment that elsewhere, find

1560
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 6: it's a good group. Running back is again Taylor Rush

1561
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 6: for fourteen hundred yards and he missed three games tight in.

1562
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 6: They need and I should have mentioned it in what

1563
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 6: they need to add. They need to add not a

1564
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 6: competent backup quarterback. They need to add a quarterback who

1565
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 6: comes in and makes Richardson earn the job now. And

1566
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 6: I guess open competition, you'd say that's what I would do,

1567
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 6: because I don't know what he's done in two seasons

1568
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 6: to say yeah, he's our guy, because he hasn't sayed

1569
01:17:55,680 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 6: healthy and the accuracy is a problem. But POI, of

1570
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 6: all years in Cleveland, be going through this, of all

1571
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 6: years to try to reset either a starting guy at

1572
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 6: quarterback or a big time backup. This is not a

1573
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 6: good year. It's just not the draft is No one's

1574
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 6: saying that these couple of guys are sure fire franchise quarterbacks.

1575
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 6: And if you look at the possible free agent market,

1576
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 6: you know the Kirk Cousins and maybe Derek Carr and

1577
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 6: Marcus Mary, Jameis Winston, I mean, I mean Daniel Jones,

1578
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 6: I mean Sam Darnold maybe, but they probably keep him so,

1579
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 6: but they need to bring in somebody to where, you know,

1580
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 6: like last year, Joe Flacco was not here to be

1581
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 6: a guy to push Richards and he was here to

1582
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 6: be the backup. And that's why Flacco, as good as

1583
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 6: he was, as much as he served his purpose last year,

1584
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 6: he won't be back. They need somebody, whoever that might be,

1585
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 6: to come in and dog Gonet. There's competition and the

1586
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 6: best guy wins. Yeah, because when they when he was

1587
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 6: a rookie and they had Minshew here after one preseason game,

1588
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 6: they need they named richardson the starter because he was

1589
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 6: a fourth pick I guess in the draft. So and again,

1590
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 6: like I said, it's not a good year to try

1591
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 6: to find that guy. There's not justin fields. Maybe maybe

1592
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 6: if Pittsburgh lets him go, Aaron Rodgers, I hope no

1593
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 6: one starts floating that name here.

1594
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: If he's available, we don't, don't you know what that like.

1595
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins, people like that.

1596
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: But it is not a good year.

1597
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 6: But they need to find somebody. And and Chris Dodder

1598
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 6: said that that they need to find competition at quarterback,

1599
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 6: which which is sort of telling that you've got this

1600
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 6: guy going into a third year and you want somebody

1601
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 6: to push him to be the starter.

1602
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1603
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 3: Well, and the good news is is, you know it's

1604
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 3: it's different right in this era of slotted picks, and

1605
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 3: you know, the fourth if you don't hit necessarily on

1606
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 3: the fourth pick of the draft, that's not the end

1607
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 3: of a franchise or a doom period as it could be.

1608
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 3: Now you were mentioned, I look, it looks like around

1609
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 3: from over the cap around thirty one million in cap

1610
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 3: space the middle of the league, but obviously you can

1611
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 3: always create more in the cap as we know is malleable.

1612
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 5: Do you think Sam Donald?

1613
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 3: I would I think with Sam Donald or with even

1614
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 3: Derek Carr, they're probably they're certainly in the mix to

1615
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 3: go win that division. You know, do you think that

1616
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 3: they're going to that level like that's those would be

1617
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 3: the names. Or even Cousins. I'm not sure if where

1618
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: his health sat. He just didn't look right last year

1619
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 3: to me, and maybe he will be this year further

1620
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 3: removed from the injury. But do you think they'd be

1621
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 3: looking that aggressively because to me, for a quarterback, it

1622
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 3: would be a pretty appealing place to end up.

1623
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 6: Correct and again with Kirk Cousins, we don't want this

1624
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 6: to be where older quarterbacks go to die their careers. Yeah,

1625
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 6: we were there with oh, Carson Wentz was different, but

1626
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 6: you know, Matt Ryan didn't work out, so Kirk, I'm

1627
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 6: not I'm not too high on that. But yeah, that's

1628
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 6: but that that's again, that's who you would maybe push for.

1629
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 6: And what will the Vikings let Sam Donald go. I

1630
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 6: don't know what they where. They probably don't franchise him,

1631
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 6: but they might transition Tagg him.

1632
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 3: Uh So I think if he had a better run.

1633
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 3: I think that the way that he performed in the

1634
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 3: in the playoffs and just kind of that their season ended. Yeah,

1635
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 3: I think well from a Colt's perspective, I think it

1636
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 3: could have helped because I think Sam Donald is.

1637
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 6: There, you go, right, maybe we're gonna have to pay

1638
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 6: they played black, I thought was it four or five million?

1639
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 6: I don't know. If it's more than that, you're gonna

1640
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to pay more for that guy, because again,

1641
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 6: there's gonna there's gonna be a market for for from

1642
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 6: other teams, and that's gonna drive the price up. But yes,

1643
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 6: it has to be somebody to where And I'm not

1644
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 6: saying the media knows everything, but but when they signed anything, yeah,

1645
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 6: I can see that guy pushing Richardson as opposed to

1646
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 6: bringing in any name you want to throw out there,

1647
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 6: and you think, nah, that no chance, no chance. So again,

1648
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 6: we need to see what the market's gonna because we

1649
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 6: don't know who's going to be out there. But it needs,

1650
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 6: it needs to be a serious competition. And I would

1651
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 6: hope that that lights a fire under Richardson to wear

1652
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 6: because I think there's been a too much entitlement maybe

1653
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 6: and with a lot of players. I think that's a problem.

1654
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 6: But so much as was given to him, you know,

1655
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 6: the big, big contract relatively speaking, was like thirty five

1656
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 6: thirty seven million, which is guaranteed for those picks. But

1657
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,799
Speaker 6: then you're you're named the starter and you're named the captain.

1658
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 6: They named even captain before you ever played the game,

1659
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 6: so that was that was he didn't handle it right

1660
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 6: because he was twenty one at the time and they

1661
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 6: didn't handle it right. So it either works or it doesn't.

1662
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 6: And if it doesn't work, it's going to be an

1663
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 6: ugly end of the season.

1664
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly will be the great great stuff. Mike, thank

1665
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: you so much your time and giving us a little

1666
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: bit of it today. Thanks guy go UK to you,

1667
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 2: thank you too. That's Mike Chappel Fox fifty nine and

1668
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,519
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1669
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,560
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1671
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Speaker 2: Twisted Cleveland as he was going through that, and if

1672
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: they truly want to if if in Mike's right and

1673
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: they want to try to light a fire under Richardson,

1674
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: of the guys who could be available, like Justin Fields

1675
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: to me would be that type of guy.

1676
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 3: Fields gives them an opportunity, right for him to be

1677
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 3: the solution. Yes, Donald, I think if you signed Donald,

1678
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 3: he's your starter. I don't think you're signing then you're

1679
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: done on Richardson at that point, right Or you're saying,

1680
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: I guess he's twenty two a couple of years, Yeah,

1681
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: we'll see what it looks like in a few years.

1682
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 3: Derek Carr probably signed to be the starter.

1683
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 2: If it's car or if it's Donald, it would feel

1684
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 2: to me a lot like when the Jets initially signed

1685
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: Rogers and they were like, well, we're going to make

1686
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 2: it work with Z but then not not. Yeah.

1687
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting there because they've got they've got talent

1688
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 3: on defense, They've got a pretty like I said with Taylor,

1689
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 3: with the receivers, they're really he mentioned the center Kelly

1690
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 3: Ryan Kelly. That's really the only big time free agent

1691
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 3: that they've got. I mean, they don't have another big

1692
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 3: time guy. They've got plenty of a few former Browns

1693
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 3: on here. They got Joe Flacco, Tavin Bryan who played

1694
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 3: defensive tackle for US for one year, former first round

1695
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: pick with the Jags, I want to say, and then

1696
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 3: Ronnie Harrison who was with US, who had one half

1697
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 3: of a season that was electric in twenty twenty.

1698
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: It was yeah, no, but there they are another one

1699
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: of those teams where they took a swing at a

1700
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: quarterback and the reality is if they want to pivot

1701
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: off of him, now they can easy.

1702
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 5: That's so easy when it's your pick.

1703
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your pick, Like it's fine, Yeah, pivot off

1704
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: at him, and you can go in another direction if

1705
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: you want to.

1706
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 3: He's just hantalizing because he is such a plus athlete.

1707
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 3: He is a great runner and his his good the

1708
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 3: throws are I mean, he probably made the best throw

1709
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 3: of the year last year.

1710
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 5: And I want to say week one.

1711
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: Week one, I mean, because I remember you, you had

1712
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 2: seen it on the Highlight. Yeah, I had that game

1713
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 2: was one of the ones that was featured on as

1714
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: I was watching because I was watching that in our

1715
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: game at the same time on one of the TVs.

1716
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: And he made that throw, but he also made ten

1717
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 2: that just were not even close, not the I mean,

1718
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: it's just scattershot, yeah, with the rest of them. So yeah,

1719
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: it's it's a tough job being able to land that.

1720
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: What do you want to do? Give it? Do you want?

1721
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: We want a quick break here? Yeah, you break, take

1722
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: quick time out. But this isn't so much more to come? Right?

1723
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: Or is this so much more to come? This is

1724
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 2: this is so literally so much more to come. There

1725
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: literally is all right, here's what we're doing. So much

1726
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 2: more to come. We have NFL Awards tonight. We'll make

1727
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: our picks on those coming up. In so much more

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Speaker 2: dot Com. All right, time for the NFL Honors. It

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Speaker 2: is tonight. I'm gonna be glued to this.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot going on Greater Cleveland Sports Awards, Zigura.

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Speaker 5: That's where I'll be.

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Speaker 2: Baby there, Chris Rose, I'm seeing tonight.

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Speaker 4: I did not know this.

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Speaker 2: Best wishes to Chris.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honoring the man right here there there

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Speaker 3: there is Hey great.

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Speaker 5: JD Hey, Hey, hey, come.

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Speaker 2: On, come on, come on, come on. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: There's also NFL Honors tonight, hosted by Snoop. What goes

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Speaker 4: wrong here? Offensive Rookie of the Year Your finalists, Rock Bowers,

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Speaker 4: Jaydon Daniels, Molik Neighbors, Bo Nicks, Brian Thomas Junior. Your winner, gentleman.

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Speaker 2: When was this vote taken at the end of the

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Speaker 2: regular season.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Defensive Rookie of the Year Cooper, John Braden Fiske, Quinyon, Mitchell,

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Speaker 4: Chop Robinson, Jared Versus.

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Speaker 5: Jared Versus.

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Speaker 4: Good quinnya Mitchell Toledo Rocket Loser. Offensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: The Port Toledo Rocket, Mac guys should stick together like

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Speaker 2: the sec that a.

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Speaker 4: G man may your little chance. There literally crying that's right.

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Speaker 4: Offensive Player of the Year Burrow, Jamar, Henry Lamar.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be saque Joe Burrow. That's why

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Speaker 2: I get mine, all right?

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Speaker 7: Do you?

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Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year, Zach Bond, Miles, Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 4: Patrick certain T.

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Speaker 2: J Watt?

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Speaker 5: Is this who we would give to? Who he think

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Speaker 5: is going to get it?

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Speaker 2: I've been doing it. Who he think is gonna get

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Speaker 2: who we think is.

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Speaker 5: Going I think Hendrickson's going to get it, going to

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Speaker 5: get it to it.

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Speaker 2: I think is going to win.

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Speaker 4: The Pro Football Writers of America about it's certained last week.

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Speaker 4: It's very rare for someone to repeat.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing that his dad was a great corner and

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Speaker 2: then he's a great like yeah, to stack it. It's

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Speaker 2: pretty wild.

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Speaker 4: At the same position, Uh, Comeback Player of the Year Burrow,

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Speaker 4: Donald Dobbins, Gonzalez Hammer.

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Speaker 3: It's like a couple how many games did he missed

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Speaker 3: last year?

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Speaker 2: It can't be Burrow. That's ridiculous. Sam Donald Donald would

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Speaker 2: be who I think and I think you could do

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Speaker 2: JK too.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask why ham one's on there this two years.

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Speaker 5: Two years because he didn't really play last year, but

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Speaker 5: this year he did play.

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Speaker 2: He was a starter. Who is your pick? Donald?

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Speaker 4: I got Donald Donald Coach of the Year, Dan cam

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell, Sean Payton, Dan Quinn, Andy Reid.

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be Kevin O'Connell's. That's what I said,

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Speaker 2: yep on that. I could see Campbell doing it too,

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Speaker 2: but I think O'Connell kind of came out of nowhere

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton to get some consideration. That's a pretty loaded field.

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Speaker 2: You could make it. You can make it. You can

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Speaker 2: make an argument for dalla quinn for every one of them.

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Speaker 2: They all were great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's a that'll be a good award.

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Speaker 4: I'll be interesting to see what comes from that.

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Speaker 5: MVP.

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley, Joe Burrow, Jared Goff, Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving it to Lamar Jackson because I think he

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Speaker 3: had the greatest season ever and I know he's won

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Speaker 3: it twice. This season's better than any of the year

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Speaker 3: that he won it. And I don't know that there

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Speaker 3: is given what they do. I don't know there's another

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Speaker 3: person you could put on that team that.

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Speaker 5: Could do what he does.

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Speaker 2: Josh probably should have gone. He probably I think Alan

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Speaker 2: will win it. I think he probably shouldn't. Maybe if

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Speaker 2: he hadn't have won the other one, this is the

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Speaker 2: one he should have won for this is the best

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Speaker 2: he's ever been. Sure he was great when he won

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Speaker 2: it unaniously as well, but like he was out of

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Speaker 2: his mind. He's Statistically it might be the last quarterback

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Speaker 2: season ever. Everything all accomplished. You know, the thing that's

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Speaker 2: weird about MVP is is that the thing that's wild

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Speaker 2: to me is like Mahomes is not a finalist. Now,

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Speaker 2: statistically he shouldn't be, right, But nobody who owns who

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Speaker 2: has any of these players on their roster would not

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Speaker 2: take Mahomes over their guy. Every one of them would

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Speaker 2: agreed when Lamar won win another Super Bowl and no MVP.

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Speaker 3: When Lamar won it unanimously, he was thirty one and

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Speaker 3: twenty seven yards, thirty six touchdowns, six picks, and he

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Speaker 3: ran for In the year, he ran for twelve hundred

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Speaker 3: and six and seven.

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Speaker 5: This year, he threw for.

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Speaker 3: Over almost forty two hundred yards, forty one touchdowns, four picks,

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Speaker 3: and ran for another night, nine hundred.

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Speaker 5: Never been done. I mean it's never been done.

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Speaker 2: No, no at We're back tomorrow. The next level is

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Speaker 2: next full breakdown of that big Calves trade from this afternoon,

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