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Speaker 1: We welcome you into the Dog Bowl in Barrea, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: It is episode seven of the best podcast available. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs, He's Andrew Gribble. We have got a loaded

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Speaker 1: show for you today as we continue to count down

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Speaker 1: to the two thousand nine NFL Draft. It is the

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Speaker 1: last week in March. April next week and four weeks

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Speaker 1: away from the NFL Draft, and something's happen in Gribbs,

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Speaker 1: But not a lot of buzz you know. There there

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit earlier in the week at

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Speaker 1: the owners meetings disputed by one John Dorsey in terms

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Speaker 1: general manager disputed that. But other than that, not a

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Speaker 1: And it's that's the byproduct of most people assuming the

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Speaker 1: first round pike is gonna be Calmary. The next twenty

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Speaker 1: a ton of quarterbacks or anything like that people are

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Speaker 1: build up when the draft gets here. Were less than

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Speaker 1: a month away, Uh, you know. I think people love

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Speaker 1: I think it'll build up when we get there. It

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Speaker 1: just so happens that the biggest audience for the draft

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a first round pick as of now, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that's been kind of the talking point

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Speaker 1: people asking me what is it gonna take to get

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Speaker 1: first round. And I'll go back all the way to

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Speaker 1: the Combine when we were talking about this, when the

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Speaker 1: Browns still did have their draft pick, and us kind

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Speaker 1: So I think that's where the value is in this draft.

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Speaker 1: John Dorsey indicated that at the Combine when he said

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Speaker 1: So I think the Browns are where they are now.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't necessarily agree with the initial report

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Speaker 1: I think they would have been happy to get someone

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Speaker 1: they only thought there was fifteen first rounders, odds are

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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks. So I I think people are over

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Speaker 1: inflating that a little bit. But I also do think

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Speaker 1: you have to follow the bread crumbs a little bit

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Speaker 1: when you're wondering if this team is going to trade

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Speaker 1: never rule anything out with John Dorsey. I've learned my

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Speaker 1: the rumors regarding the Odell Beckham trade. But I just

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Speaker 1: trades to get future picks. If you're thinking that they're

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Speaker 1: I pulled it up just because I think people wonder

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Speaker 1: So if we want to play those hypothetical games, each

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Speaker 1: people are shopping them more than maybe normal. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: Friday night, it's going to become a big night. And

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Speaker 1: it's crazy if you think about it this way. Only

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Speaker 1: since two thousand fourteen have you had one year where

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Speaker 1: We're actually trying to contend for the real Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: draft out. Also, he is counting down the top players

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Speaker 1: So we're looking forward to that. Uh. The only other big,

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Speaker 1: As a top twenty five overall pick that gets down

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Speaker 1: And then the other guy. We talk about him every week,

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Speaker 1: the entire week there sitting in meetings on the practice field,

430
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: talking to his teammates, helping work him through stuff, and

431
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, doing interviews with other clubs. Basically, he has

432
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: just one people over with his intangibles. He's a hitter,

433
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: and sometimes that hitting ability will go past the line

434
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: a little. He'll get flagged for some for some penalties.

435
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: But there's just something about him that I think is

436
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: really special and I think he'll be you know, he's

437
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: not Rodney Harrison, but he's that type of player where

438
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: he plays with instincts, you know, a ferocity and intelligence

439
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: and he's gonna make it work in this league. I think.

440
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: Talking with Eric at home from Yahoo's Sports, he's currently

441
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Speaker 1: putting together the Yahoo Sports Top two thousand nineteen NFL

442
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Speaker 1: Draft prospects on Yahoo dot com. We are on number

443
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, uh, and only a few a few more

444
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Speaker 1: weeks until we get to the two thousand nine NFL Draft,

445
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: and they'll do Yahoo will do one per day if

446
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: I'm correct, If you guys have tied this out, So

447
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: the number one, number one guy on your board, on

448
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: your top one hundred will debut on the morning of

449
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Speaker 1: the draft or the day before I think so, or

450
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: maybe winesday, maybe the day before. I can't That's what

451
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 1: I'd have to go. Yeah, it's real close to draft week.

452
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: For sure. I did not do the math and I

453
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: did not go to college from math, so I apologize

454
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: for that. As you take a look overall in putting

455
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Speaker 1: together your top one players, is there a player on

456
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: there that in doing your research, or players I should

457
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: say that you're kind of excited to see where they

458
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: end up going in this draft that maybe aren't you know,

459
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: your top ten. Yeah, yeah, no, there's definitely a handful.

460
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: In fact, one guy who I ended up, you know,

461
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: on that uh you know, as I was explained to

462
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: you guys before the show, I kind of mocked out

463
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: that the first three rounds because I wanted to. I

464
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 1: wanted to give love to the Cleveland Browns in New

465
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints and Dallas Cowboys and Chicago Bears fans in

466
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: the world, because you know, I'm sure they're looking at

467
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: a lot of mock drafts and hanging their head when

468
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: they don't see their team on there it's one round

469
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: or something like that. So I went through and did

470
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: the first three rounds, and a guy who I really

471
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of fell for during the process a little bit

472
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: is Colin Saunders from Illinois, from Western Illinois, excuse me,

473
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: and he's just really intriguing guys six ft pounds. You

474
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: don't sort of see those short, stocky guys, but you

475
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: watch him move and he's got these light feet. And

476
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: then you find out that they used them a little

477
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: bit at tight end, and they used them a little

478
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: bit at running back, not often, but you know, and

479
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: they lined them up at nose tackle, at at a

480
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: free technique out at a defensive end stand up spot,

481
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: and you think how many six ft three pound guys

482
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: can do that? And then you go on YouTube and

483
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: you see the guy doing backflips and roundoffs at all

484
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: these crazy maneuvers, and you say, wait, who is this dude?

485
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: You know down in the cr bawl he had a

486
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: magnetic personality. He was talking about, uh, you know that

487
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: the birth of his daughter in a couple of days

488
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: at that point, and all he was doing was going

489
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: out there and wrecking people. And I don't care if

490
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: it said you know, Western Illinois or or Notre Dame

491
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: on his jersey. This guy is a player. I don't

492
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: think he'll go top fifty, but I think somewhere between

493
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: fifty and one hundred he's gonna go to a team.

494
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: And again I mocked him to the Browns. I think,

495
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: in um, you know, the middle round three, he's just

496
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: gonna make an excellent addition. I don't think you'll want

497
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: him out there for seventy snaps the game. I don't

498
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: know that he's ever gonna be a ten sack guy

499
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but he's got excitement in his game,

500
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: he's got athleticism. He just an interesting guy. He and

501
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Heard are kind of two players. You know. Heard

502
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: was a running back at Tennessee and then he went

503
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: to Baylor and became a receiver. He's just sort of

504
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: king size slot receiver. I have no idea where they're

505
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna go. You know, you talked to teams and their

506
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: their numbers are kind of all over the board. There's

507
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot of projecting going on. But those are two

508
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: kind of totally different and very fascinating players that that

509
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: I'll just be excited to see where they end up landing. Now,

510
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: I noticed forty eight. You've got a guy that's been

511
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: on the Browns fans radars a lot, and that's Jeffrey Simmons,

512
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: who had the issues in high school then is coming

513
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: off the torn A c l. But but John Dorsey's

514
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: talked very highly of him from a character standpoint. Do

515
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: you do you do? You do? You do you see

516
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: him getting that far and and and just talking to

517
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: it to your sources and everything like that, or and

518
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: could you see the Browns maybe making a move for

519
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: him if he starts falling that far. I had immediate

520
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: regret when I when he landed forty ye, it was

521
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: all you know, and it's like, well, wait a minute,

522
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: you did the mocked draft. How can you? But you know,

523
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: when you go through and do these things one pick

524
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: at a time, it's hard not to fall into a

525
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: little bit of a trap of like, well, they need this,

526
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: they need that. They didn't get this with their first pick,

527
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna get so and so with their second pick,

528
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: and you start forgetting about the big picture, which is

529
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: in my mind, Simmons is the top ten talent in

530
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Speaker 1: this draft. You know, he'll end up in my top

531
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: ten overall picks. And I'm just I'm not looking at

532
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he's got a torn a c L

533
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: and then he's you know, I mean, look at Hunter

534
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: Henry with the Chargers. He came back to the playoff game.

535
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: You never know, I mean, he might be able to

536
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: contribute on some way late in the season this year.

537
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you're willing to hold a roster spot

538
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: for him, put him on pop all that forgetting all that,

539
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: and there's certainly some questions about the background the two

540
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen video of him, um, you know, involved

541
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: with a with hitting a woman. He's since apologized. I

542
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: can tell you this much. I don't think NFL scouts

543
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: who have been had their boots on the ground in

544
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: in you know, on campus, talking to the coaches, talking

545
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: to the strength people, talking to the tutors, and anybody

546
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: else who may give him information. I've not gathered one

547
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: piece that says he's a bad kid. Did he make

548
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: a bad mistake a couple of years ago, Yes, and

549
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: he since apologized in a tone for it. And on

550
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: top of that, he's a disruptive interior rusher who to

551
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: me looks like kind of a poor man slesher Cox.

552
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: He's really really, really good, So maybe not even a

553
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: poor man's I mean, I think he's he's got that

554
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of potential. So you know, if you believe that

555
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: the health checked out and he should be good, a

556
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: c l s aren't that big a deal these days.

557
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, the timeline shrunk on those, and you believe

558
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: you vetted his character out enough and checked all the

559
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: boxes on that you could get something really special. And

560
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: I suspect that his name will start coming up in

561
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: discussions late in round one, early in round two. So

562
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: for me having him, you know, it's sort of admitting

563
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: that I couldn't I just couldn't find the right team

564
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: to take that kind of risk on him and just

565
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: say all right, we're basically not getting a year one

566
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: out of this guy, but near two he could be great.

567
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: Talking with Eric got Home from Yahoo Sports, you can

568
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: check out his top one NFL Draft prospects on Yahoo

569
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Speaker 1: dot com, currently counting down the top thirty day by

570
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: day leading up to the draft and also debuting on

571
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning, a three round mock draft. And you mentioned

572
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Speaker 1: your third round selection to the Browns, Eric, but your

573
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: second rounder, you've got defensive back Lonnie Johnson out of

574
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: Kentucky going to Cleveland. What what do you see in him?

575
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: And what kind of a breakdown can you give us

576
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: of Lonnie Johnson? Yeah, truthfully, he's not my favorite player.

577
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I I like his skill set. It was

578
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: very talented, uh Kentucky secondary. I think there's really four

579
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: guys in that group that could end up in the NFL,

580
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: and he's one of them. And he's probably got the

581
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: highest ceiling of all of them. He's kind of your classic,

582
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, sort of long arms. He's got these thirty

583
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: three arms, six ft two, well built, two hunter ten

584
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds something like that. You know, tested pretty darn

585
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: well athletically at the combine as well. Good you know,

586
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: good short area movement for somebody who's as big as

587
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: he is. But you know, physical traits are very alluring,

588
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and he's got the feet and everything else to be

589
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: an NFL corner. Some of these bigger corners, though, they

590
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: don't transition all that well. You know, their hips are

591
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: a little bit tight. You know, they just sort of

592
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: look a little more clunky. Even if they test well

593
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: on the football field, isn't always translate. He's a bit

594
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: of a fascinating project is the way I would describe him.

595
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: And you know, at that point in the draft, you're

596
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: you're getting flawed players. You're getting players who are a

597
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a projection, who are are not going

598
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: to be instant coffee in the NFL. So I just

599
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: try to think of what they might look for in

600
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: a corner. And when you've got denzil War doing his

601
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: thing on one side, you're probably not gonna I don't know,

602
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: maybe not, but you're you're maybe looking for a little

603
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: bit more size on the other side, and you can

604
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: kind of play matchups the little bit who's Denzel covering

605
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: this week, Who's you know, the other guy going if

606
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: you have somebody like Johnson in a division with you know,

607
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: a J. Green and Juju Smith Schuster, guys were physical

608
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. Who can go up and

609
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: high point the ball? It makes sense in my mind,

610
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, even if you need a corner, I mean,

611
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: even if you need a safety as well, that you'd

612
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: want somebody who can kind of at least give those

613
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: those physical specimens to wide receiver a little bit of

614
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: a challenge. That's sort of where I came up with

615
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: that pick. Well, who's a player when when you're going

616
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: through these evaluations and reports, who who's the player? You

617
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: feel like you're on an island with with how much

618
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: you like them? And maybe reverse that, how who's a

619
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: player that you are not a fan of that you

620
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: see getting mocked so much tire of that than this question. Yeah,

621
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: that's a great one. I'm not as in love with

622
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: DK metcast with everybody else. I mean, he's I still

623
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 1: have in my top twenty. I don't want to make

624
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: it seem like I've got a fourth round grade on

625
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: the guy. Um, you know, he just like the way

626
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: he wins and people there obviously watched Josh Gordon win

627
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: in the same kinds of ways, you know, fades, slance,

628
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: drag routes, curls, I mean, real simple routes where he

629
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: can exert his physical will over defensive backs. And there

630
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: will be some of the games where he's unstoppable, but

631
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: there there's just a limitation of what he can do,

632
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I think, at least right away in the NFL. So

633
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not in the camp that believes he should

634
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick. I think that he's he's

635
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: a little bit too one or two dimensional in his

636
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: game to to fit that high until he learns a

637
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: little bit of subtlety and that sort of thing. And

638
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that his lateral quickness is ever gonna

639
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: be great, so you can game plan against him a

640
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: little bit, but so he he might be one again.

641
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: I still like him, But I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: somebody that that maybe I mentioned Jalen Heard a while back.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I look around sometimes and people I

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Speaker 1: respect in this league, and uh, you know, cover the

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Speaker 1: draft for a living, and I don't see them with

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Speaker 1: herd in their top hundred and heard and another guy

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Speaker 1: and old miss tight end named Austin Mott Knox who

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Speaker 1: wasn't really used that much in college. You know, both

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Speaker 1: of them have such rare physical gifts. I mean the

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Speaker 1: same kind of things we were talking about with metcalf

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about a player who's probably projected to

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Speaker 1: like the third round maybe or late late second, early fourth,

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Speaker 1: somewhere in that range where if you give them the

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Speaker 1: right coaching and the right development and you're not expecting

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Speaker 1: you know, banansa production in year one and you can

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Speaker 1: find that right role for him. Both heard who's only

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00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: played receiver for you know, one year in practice, one

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Speaker 1: year Baylor, or one year on the field of Baylor

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Speaker 1: and Knox, who was kind of an afterthought with all

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Speaker 1: the weapons they had there. You know, metcalf, A, J. Brown,

661
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Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lodge, good running backs, et cetera. You know, the

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Speaker 1: skill sets suggest that they could be really interesting and

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00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: that you could be getting better value for what they'll

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Speaker 1: be to three years around than than what you spent

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Speaker 1: the draft take on. So those are a couple of

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Speaker 1: names of guys that I'm a little higher on than

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Speaker 1: other people. Eric, before we let you go, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time today and the great insight on the two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen NFL Draft. I know you cover the NFL

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Speaker 1: in general and you're very invested in it. What was

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Speaker 1: the first thing you thought when you found out Odell

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00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Beckham was coming to Cleveland? I mean, obviously I have

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Speaker 1: some friends in the LFU program, so just sort of knowing,

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Speaker 1: you know, their history and going back there and Adam

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Speaker 1: Henry being there and coaching as well, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: it made me think this could really be special, This

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Speaker 1: could really be a pairing that works. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as long as O'Dell is on board, and I have

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Speaker 1: no reason to think he is. And you're getting pushed

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Speaker 1: daily by your guy and Jarvis Landry and practice, you're

681
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Speaker 1: being coached by a guy who's who's hats in history

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Speaker 1: with you. Um, you know, you have an offensive coach

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Speaker 1: in in Top Monkin and Freddie Kitchens, who have a

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Speaker 1: lot of innovative ideas but aren't gonna get too cute.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna understand that these guys can win one on

686
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Speaker 1: what battles with you know, maybe the best young quarterback

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Speaker 1: prospect not named Patrick Mahomes. I mean, how do you

688
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Speaker 1: not get excited about that? How do you not think

689
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Speaker 1: this could truly be special? And and maybe the Browns

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Speaker 1: are playing the Patriots Sunday night in Foxboro in the

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Speaker 1: opening weekend. What a marquee stage that would be for

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Speaker 1: his debut. And I don't know, it's just you start

693
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Speaker 1: putting all together and you think, as long as the

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Speaker 1: blocking holds up, as long as they don't get, you know,

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Speaker 1: start reading their press clippings too much, this could be

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Speaker 1: truly truly amazing to watch. Eric. We appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: and we definitely look forward to reading more from you

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Speaker 1: on Yahoo Sports. UH. His three round mock draft is

699
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: out today, and in addition, you can check out daily

700
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft his countdown from prospect number

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Speaker 1: thirty to prospect number one. He's already done the other

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Speaker 1: seventy prospects in his top one draft. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: get log on to Yahoo sports dot com to check

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Speaker 1: that out. Eric, appreciate that time and continued success. My friend,

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Speaker 1: I had a laugh. Thank you guys for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Eric at Home for his time, great interview,

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Speaker 1: great insight into the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, especially

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Speaker 1: from a second and third round perspective. Were now welcome

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Speaker 1: in another celebrity UH to the best podcast available. We'll

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00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: call you a celebrity. Why not? Man, come on, you've

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: been here now for like a month. Nick Shook joins

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: us Bronze down a reoccurring character like who was that

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Speaker 1: kid in the Brady Bunch that came in every every

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Speaker 1: now and again? You know it's you need you need

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Speaker 1: some regular guests. I was like a cousin or something

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Speaker 1: like that. I don't know that that shows a little

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Speaker 1: before my time. I was going to say that was

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I remember just the main people

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Speaker 1: I'll go with, like Newman from See Yes, Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: her Dynamite dropping. Yes, okay, that's no. Yeah, we actually

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Speaker 1: like you though that Hello Shook. All right, So we're

722
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: gonna play a little game. We're trying to do something

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00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: fun every week. Last week we did of positions that

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Speaker 1: make the most sense for the Browns at pick number

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Speaker 1: forty nine. Today, just kind of a broad scope, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call it would you rather? So basically, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you two guys and you tell me who

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Speaker 1: you would rather have. Obviously, in terms of the Browns,

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Speaker 1: not many of these are going to apply, but it's

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Speaker 1: fun to say who would you rather have? In the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen NFL Draft. If you were a

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Speaker 1: respective general manager, so number one, would you rather have

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa or Josh Allen Gripple start with you. I'll

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Speaker 1: take Nick Bosa. I think he's a more proven it

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Speaker 1: could prove more proven commodity. I like the genes that

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Speaker 1: he has in the NFL film and not only his

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Speaker 1: brother but his father. I just think people are maybe

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Speaker 1: sleeping on him a little bit just because he didn't

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Speaker 1: play the second half of the season. But he's a

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Speaker 1: legit player, has been that way ever since he got

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Speaker 1: to Ohio State. I'll go with him as the safer pick.

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Speaker 1: This is a weird draft because I think two of

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Speaker 1: the top prospects in the whole class are from Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: and both have been overlooked in part because of like

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Speaker 1: you said, Bosa missed the second half of the season

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Speaker 1: and Dwayne Haskins and everything that you know he did

747
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Speaker 1: and how he's been overlooked. But I would also go

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Speaker 1: with Bosa. Uh you talk about great genes. I also

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Speaker 1: feel bad for him when it comes to shopping for

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Speaker 1: jeans because he has massive quads and and hamstrings, like

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00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: his thighs are huge and at the at the combine.

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Speaker 1: I mean just watching him walk by, you know, because

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Speaker 1: they're all in compressions and stuff like that. He's He's

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00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: a massive human being. He's got great technique. He looks

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00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: a lot like he plays a lot like his brother.

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Speaker 1: He's effective without being a I think a physical specimen

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Speaker 1: necessarily or or a freak of nature. You know. He

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00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: doesn't look like Javon Curse or Julius Peppers, but he's

759
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Speaker 1: just about as effective. Has there ever been a top

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Speaker 1: five draft prospect with less less buzz than Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Like I just it's like no one's even talking about

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Speaker 1: is it because he went to Kentucky? I think he's

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Speaker 1: got a quarterback in Kentucky is not exactly the hotbed

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Speaker 1: for college and they had a really good season last

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Speaker 1: year and that that was one of the best season

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Speaker 1: in years. But it was there still relatively off the radar.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing because he If Nick Bosa wasn't in

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Speaker 1: this draft, we will probably be talking about him as

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Speaker 1: the top player in this draft, no question. All right,

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Speaker 1: Number two, would you rather have Devin Bush or Devin White? Shook,

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Speaker 1: We'll start with you, Devin White. That's that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit easier of a pick. I think Devin White is

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Speaker 1: the most complete linebacker. Uh, he's the best middle linebacker

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Speaker 1: in this draft. I think he The gap between him

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Speaker 1: and Bush is bigger than people realize. Even though Bush

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Speaker 1: is a very good player, Bush is a little undersized.

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Speaker 1: He barely He's right around five eleven six ft tall,

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00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: not super uncommon at that position. But I like White

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Speaker 1: more as a prospect, and I think he'll end up

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Speaker 1: being a higher picks as a result. And uh, we'll

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Speaker 1: be somebody's been a linebacker for years to come. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is getting boring so far for agreeing. So I'm

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Speaker 1: Devin White is he might be. There might be a

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Speaker 1: difference of maybe about fifteen picks between these guys. If

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Speaker 1: if if the if you go by the ex dreams

786
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Speaker 1: and some of these mock drafts where it's been as

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Speaker 1: extreme as the Buccaneers taking in with the number five pick,

788
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's legitimately very good, and it arguably

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe Bosa is more of a safe pick,

790
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Speaker 1: but probably the safest pick in the entire draft. Two

791
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: very very good linebackers and one hell of a drop off.

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Speaker 1: The fight, the fight for Bush is going to be

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Speaker 1: interesting though, because the difference between Bush and like the

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00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: next guy is massive, So that that's where it will

795
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Speaker 1: be interesting, Like where he could go earlier than we

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Speaker 1: think just because of the depth of the position. Just

797
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: isn't there this year? Right, That's like that seems actually

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Speaker 1: like one of the best candidates for an overdraft it

799
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Speaker 1: within the first round this year. And as long as

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Speaker 1: neither one of them go to an an f C

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Speaker 1: North team that's not named the Browns, I'm okay with

802
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: it because they're both of them are that talented. I mean,

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00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: you know the Bengals, all right, I don't mind it.

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00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to deal with that. I

805
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: don't want to. Like we've seen that play out. Preston

806
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: Brown could use a little competition back there in that

807
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: linebacking corps. A lot of use a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: all right, Number three, let's try to get this so

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00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: you guys actually disagree on something. Uh would you rather

810
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: have Quentin Williams or at Oliver Gribble. So this is

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Speaker 1: a tricky one because I think because I'm gonna like

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Speaker 1: a quate value into this, because I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to take a top five pick to get Quintin Williams,

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Speaker 1: and I also think you can get better value out

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Speaker 1: of Oliver with maybe like the fifteen pick. I like

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Speaker 1: talented guys, and I worry that My one concern of

817
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Speaker 1: Quentin Williams because he didn't really do much of anything

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Speaker 1: until this past season. Oliver, we've known for years, was

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Speaker 1: a super talented guy. I would feel better having the

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Speaker 1: fifteen pick taking at Oliver than I would using a

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Speaker 1: top five pick on Quintin Williams. I'm gonna go with Oliver.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen this guy before in a

823
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Speaker 1: variety of different drafts. We saw this guy here about

824
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Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen years ago. His name was Gerard Warren and

825
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: before as good as they are in college, I agree

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Speaker 1: with the sample size. You know, if you haven't demonstrated

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Speaker 1: it over multiple seasons, there's a little bit of a

828
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Speaker 1: worry there. He's obviously, you know, considered one of the

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Speaker 1: top defensive line prospects in this draft. But the good

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Speaker 1: thing about it, Oliver two, when you talk about values,

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Speaker 1: you can move him to different spots because he's more

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Speaker 1: of an athletic guy. You know, he played defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: in college. But I also could see you deploying him

834
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Speaker 1: as a as a pass rushing edge guy when you

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Speaker 1: want to go with a leaner defensive line in those

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Speaker 1: situations when you're not worried about the row, when it's

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Speaker 1: third and long, stuff like that, you can move him

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Speaker 1: around and as a result, I'm again going to agree

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Speaker 1: and go with that Oliver. Yeah, I think I think

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00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams is the better player. Like right now, I mean,

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00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: he's the higher pick. It's just that he's dropped worry

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00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: and I've seen that Oliver now in some mocks. He

843
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: was so much better than that Oliver this past season,

844
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Speaker 1: Like it was he was the best player on the

845
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Speaker 1: field in Alabama. ELISHU like he was incredible. I just

846
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: even at Alabama where guys have to wait their turn,

847
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: I like to see it over multiple seasons as opposed

848
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Speaker 1: to just one big season. Plus we haven't We've You're

849
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Speaker 1: not gonna bat a thousand anything, but we haven't bat

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Speaker 1: at a thousand in Alabama defensive lineman. We've come fairly close,

851
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Speaker 1: but even the guys who were regarded pretty similarly in

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00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: the last couple of years have produced different results and

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00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: they haven't really been all that close. So there's some

854
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: risk there. I thought I had you. Yeah, I thought

855
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: I had it too when I picked Oliver. All right,

856
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: let's go offensive lineman Jonah Williams or Juwan Taylor Shook.

857
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: Who would you rather? Have a lot of people love

858
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. He was the talk of I think the

859
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: combine for his versatility mainly um, you know he wants

860
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: he wants to play tackle, he played guard. Um. But

861
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: I also am intrigued by Juwan Taylor. I think it

862
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: depends on what your need is. I think it's a

863
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: case by case that you ation and and also has

864
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: a lot to do with you know, how these guys

865
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: perform in the NFL. It's all it's all about fit.

866
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean, if you need an offensive tackle, I think

867
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: Jowan Taylor is a guy who could play either side

868
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: and could do the job pretty well. I don't he's

869
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of draft and start guys.

870
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: You know, you don't get a Joe Thomas every year

871
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: where they come in there immediately effective and they're the

872
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: number three pick in the draft. But I think this

873
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: guy could be pretty pretty good. Although it's it's it's

874
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to battle against the uh the

875
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: buzz of of Jonah Williams. So I'm gonna go Taylor

876
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: for in part for the sake of being different, hopefully. Now,

877
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: I'll preface this by saying Nick knows like so much

878
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: more about offensive line play than I do. So, but

879
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go off my simple logic in that Jonah

880
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: Williams was a starter as a true freshman in Alabama.

881
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: We can talk about the swinging misterrate on Alabama guys,

882
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: but if you can go in there and start as

883
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: a true freshman, odds are you're really good. There aren't

884
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: many guys that go in and do that. I think

885
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: he's really good. I think people are over overthinking his

886
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: short arms or whatever where he has a position. I

887
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: think he's like the Mike McGlinchey of this year's draft.

888
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: Or everyone was like worried about McGlinchey going into the

889
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: draft and all of a sudden he gets drafted in

890
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: the top ten. I think General Wan's is the best

891
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman to give me him. I think he's the

892
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: much safer pick. See, I'm really curious about, like with

893
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: the McGlinchey comparison, I'm curious about how his career is

894
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: going to evolve or develop as we move on, because

895
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: he was a top ten pick and there were times

896
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: where he was really good, but there was also times

897
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: where he was very clearly a rookie, and that happens

898
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: to a lot of guys. But it makes you wonder

899
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: if some of the physical worries or whatever are going

900
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: to crop up in certain situation. There was a lot

901
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: of times where he was really beating around the edge

902
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: and he looked like he needed a year or two

903
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: of seasoning. We'll see if that's the case of this guy.

904
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: But that's it's a great point about him playing as

905
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: a freshman because you're not gonna play any higher competition

906
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: in college football than you will when you're playing in Alabama. Yeah,

907
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: like back when in twelve in Alabama had like the

908
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: best offensive line that college football has ever had, one

909
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: of one arguably one of the best, I think, so

910
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: this is me countering myself. The only guy on that

911
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: offensive line who started as a freshman I believe was

912
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Cyrus kuan Jo because he was a freak. All those

913
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: other guys had to work their way into the rotation

914
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: that was that was in the early stages of Alabama

915
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: building their insane talent machine that they have there. So

916
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: for him to go in and start as a true

917
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: freshman and offensive line is rare there. And I think

918
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: he's got his head on his shoulders a little bit

919
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: better than Cyrus Quanja. So I'll take Joan Williams. If

920
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: I throw Cody Ford in the mix, does it change

921
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: your who would you rather him? Doesn't? I found it

922
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: interesting that Shregs yesterday had him going tenth. I'm sorry

923
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: at eleven to Cincinnati. You gotta shake things up. Every

924
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: mock can't be the same, correct, But I just I

925
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: think all three of these guys are projects. As you said,

926
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: you're not drafting at Joe Thomas not in this draft,

927
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: although it is a deeper position group. I think I

928
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: think tackles way better this year than it was last year.

929
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, that guy's not. Who's the last Joe Thomas

930
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: type in the draft. It's been a few years. Well,

931
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher one number one, but he would never panned

932
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: out like Joe Thomas. Uh to think about somebody who

933
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: was picked as high and has played as well. Taylor

934
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Lewan just got a big contract. Um, I'm thinking about

935
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: top tackle. Brandon Schurf was like a tackle right, but

936
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: he played guard. Yeah, yeah, so it's like Ravens anybody there?

937
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: Why do I think they have? They drafted the guy

938
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: Dave Ronnie Stanley, and then they drafted Orlando Brown last year.

939
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: I think if we go back, there's somebody else in

940
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: that group that you were just talking about that like

941
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson and he plays went to right tackle. He's

942
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: an excellent right tackle. Uh who who's the left? Trent

943
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: Williams and Washington? But I don't he wasn't regarded as highly.

944
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: A lot of the top tackles right now we're not

945
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: considered as such. I think Lawan might be the highest

946
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: drafted one. Obviously we can go back and double check

947
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: this later. It I think Lue might have been the

948
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: highest drafted one who's actually panned out. He comes with

949
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: his own little spicy flavor. Yes he does just a

950
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: little bit. All right. Here's an interesting one that I

951
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: come up with, And it's not they don't play the

952
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: same position, but they're probably the best skill position guys

953
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: in the draft. DK Metcalf or t J. Hockenson. Who

954
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: would you rather have? Gribble? I've I had the weird

955
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: reaction of everyone being amazed and thinking that DK Metcalf

956
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: like elevated his stock his stock of the combine. I

957
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: had the exact opposite reaction, and I was horrified by

958
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: his like quickness, drills and change the direction speed. So

959
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: give me, give me Hockinson. I I just, I'm I

960
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm out on Metcalf, but I'm just.

961
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: You can't just run straight lines in the NFL. Yeah,

962
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to move. I would like to

963
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: disagree for the sake of entertainment, but I can't hear

964
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: because I'm in the same camp as him. It's I

965
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: am so anti. I'm so glad that the Browns are

966
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: not in position to draft wide receiver because I think

967
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a huge swinging miss if there's a

968
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: reason that you know. For as much hype as he

969
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: got at the Combine, it was the most hype he's

970
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: gotten including his college career. If you go back and

971
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: look at his tape and even some of the breakdowns

972
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: that you'll read about him, it's well, he's not He's

973
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: not a patient route runner. He doesn't run actually like

974
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: focus on the intermediate parts of his routes. He's basically

975
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: just trying to win a race a deep and even

976
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: when he's made those, like he had that big play

977
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: to open against Alabama, it was a matter of I

978
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: beat this guy off the line and got past him

979
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: because I'm physically bigger and I'm gonna catch it and

980
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: then outrun you. But that's that's not There's a reason

981
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: there's a route tree and not all of them are nine.

982
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: And you can't do that in the NFL. And that's

983
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: why I would agree. I think Hockinson is a much

984
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: better prospect. Is there a wide receiver that you would

985
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: take over Dk metcalfine round one and round one? In

986
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: round one, I'd take his with a late round, first

987
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: round pick. I'd take his teammate over him, A J.

988
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: A J. Brown. I like that guy better. He's produced.

989
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: There's a track record goes back to that. Yeah, I

990
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: mean maybe the Oklahoma kid Hollywood. I need to know

991
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: more about his injuries. Yeah, but how I think not

992
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: at that high. It's gotta be late, it's gotta be late. Yeah,

993
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: I think he's got Hollywood's got some boom or bus potential.

994
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: But if you can get him at his best, I mean,

995
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: he is the guy that could help your offense the most.

996
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of momentum for Paris Campbell

997
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: Pride to his pro day, he like he tweaked. I don't.

998
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: I don't even know what exactly what the injury was,

999
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's a huge deal, but I

1000
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: think it did temper the expectations for him a little bit.

1001
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: But he's also projected. The highest he's been mocked is late,

1002
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, late first round of the Ravens. I think

1003
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: it's twenty two, so that the receiver talents just not

1004
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: there in this class. It's just and I think people

1005
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: love the big guy who you know, could maybe be

1006
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: a Julio Jones or in a j Green, and maybe

1007
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: they got the measurables, but you have to also look

1008
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: at the skills in between, and I just don't think

1009
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: it exists in this draft. McKiel Harry to throw him

1010
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: in there, it could be a potential late first round guy.

1011
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: I'd have him over DK Metcalf. I just it's I just,

1012
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I just, I just I don't know. There was when

1013
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: I saw those numbers on the quickness, change of pace drills,

1014
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: like he's one of the worst in the whole group.

1015
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: That just doesn't add up to me. You can be

1016
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: an athletic, you can be an athletic freak, you could

1017
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: look like a Greek god. But if you don't play

1018
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: well and you don't have the track record, there is

1019
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: some hesitancy. I think, Yeah, I think I think there's

1020
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: And even though they're different players, there's some Lakwan Treadwell

1021
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: stink going on with miss And I'm just worried that

1022
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: there's I can't shake that and and think that this

1023
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be any different. Although I will say

1024
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: next year loaded receiver class, guys like uh, Colorado's Lavisca Chenalt,

1025
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: a ton of players who are coming out who are

1026
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna be really good at the position next year. All right,

1027
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: Next up we go defensive back Byron Murphy or DeAndre

1028
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: Baker GRIBs. I I'm I'm reluctant on both because I

1029
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: just don't think they're I haven't researched enough with the

1030
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: Browns because I think they'll both be gone by time

1031
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: we're picking. Uh. I like Byron Murphy just think he's

1032
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: a better player. I think there's a there's Baker had

1033
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: a better career, better final season, but I just think

1034
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Murphy's kind of he has those skill sets traits that

1035
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: you wanted a dB. I think they're both gonna be good,

1036
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: both late first rounders, but I'll take Murphy Baker. This

1037
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: is disappointing because I was hoping he was gonna go

1038
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: with Baker because I love Murphy. I think he's another

1039
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: undersized guy a little bit. He looks small, but a

1040
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: Denzel Ward kind of looks small. And he had a

1041
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: very good first season when you know when he was

1042
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: on the field, and and I think he's very similar

1043
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: to him. He's very fluid, natural in the way he covers,

1044
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: and he's a playmaker. He's a ball hawk. He had

1045
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: an excellent packed Wealth title game. And you know, for

1046
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: as good as Washington has recruited in the last few years,

1047
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I think this guy might be the last the best

1048
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: to come out of Washington. I mean, you think about

1049
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: the Vida Vea. You know, he had kind of it

1050
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: up and down first year. He was hurt. John Ross

1051
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: has been a huge disappointment, primarily because of injuries at

1052
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: first and also because he's another burner who probably can't

1053
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: run you know, I can't necessarily run the entire route

1054
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: tree as well, at least effectively. Yeah, I mean that

1055
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: forty time got him draft in the first round and

1056
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: also get some really impressive college tape. But you can't

1057
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: just run past guys in the NFL. So I think

1058
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy could end up being the best player to

1059
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: come out of Washington and the Chris Peterson era. And

1060
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: I think he's flying a little bitunder the radar right now,

1061
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: just a little bit. So we'll see. Alright, final one here,

1062
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: Drew lock or Daniel Jones? Can I take option? See neither?

1063
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Speaker 1: But what what is with both of them moving up?

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00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: Like d of our network live at Duke's Pro day

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00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: and raving about this kid, and I'm going, I'm watching

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00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: the pro day and you're throwing against nobody and you're

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00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: not looking great and listening to them he was awesome,

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00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: he was spectator. I'm like, I'm not seeing it. I

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00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: don't see this at all. This is a project. Josh

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00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: Allen didn't look great at his pro day either, except

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00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: for throwing deep, and he ended up going to the

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00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: top ten. So you know, it's it's it boggles the

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00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: minds of times because some of these things you're You're

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00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: looking at me, how how is this guy? They look

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00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: at him? As the first round prospect or, how is

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00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: this guy potentially you know, so talented, w whatever. Daniel

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00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: Jones is the best quarterback and do history, but yeah,

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00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: there's not that much that excites me about him. And

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00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: it's another case I think where I'm glad in the

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00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Browns case that they're not in the position to draft quarterbacks,

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00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: but they have their Yes, did you pick one? Uh? Well,

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00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: I want to pick I want to pick neither. But

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00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, I picked Drew Lock.

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00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: But Drew Lock also Missouri has an influence on this, obviously,

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00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: But Drew Lock. I feel like I'm in the Blake Bortles,

1086
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: Blak Gabbert, you know syndrome where it's like, this guy

1087
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: did really well in an offense that I wouldn't necessarily

1088
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: say was super conducive to putting up big numbers. But

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00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: he's accurate and and he's got pocket presents and everything else.

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00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: But what he looks like to me is just another

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00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: guy at quarterback in the NFL. It's just a different

1092
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: level and there's nothing that separates him or makes him

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00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: really jump off the screen. Solve my hot take here.

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00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm taking Daniel Jones, and I think it's not even

1095
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: and I will take that with conviction only for this

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00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: reason he's had. Drew Lock has had kind of a

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00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: coaching mess at Missouri his entire time capped off with

1098
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator being Derek Juley this past year. David

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00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: Cutcliffe is one of the most respected quarterback guys in

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00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: the game, and I think that he believes that this

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00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: guy is good because I don't know if the NFL

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00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: would be flocking to this Pro day without a David

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00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: Cutcliffe endorsement. So I'm gonna trust in him and that

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00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: this guy has something to him, whereas when I look

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00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: at Drew Lock, I just don't see it. So again,

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00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're not choosing between these two. But I

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00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: think there's something to the cut Cliff factor with Daniel

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00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: Jones where that's why the NFL is believing in this guy,

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00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: and I think that he'll get picked hired than Drew Lock.

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00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones looks to me like because because he went

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00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: to Duke, and you don't consider due to be a

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00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: traditional football power. Duke has been good in football in

1113
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: the last few years, or at least competitive, which is

1114
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot more than they could have said for the

1115
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: last twenty years or so, but because he plays there,

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00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: it almost gives you the feel of this is a

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00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: guy who succeeded at a quote unquote smaller school, and

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00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: he did it in a variety of both throwing and

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00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: he can also run a little bit. Um. I just

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Speaker 1: like I said, I'm glad that the Browns are not

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00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: picking between either of these guys, because neither of them

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00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: convinces me that they'll be a guy the guy in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Those are the buzz that the Giants are

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00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna look at him at seventeen. I mean not only seventeen,

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00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: but some people have them taking one of those two

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: guys taking a lock at six. Yeah, well I can

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00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: We just talked for a minute. What is Dwayne Haskins

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00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: done to lose ground? Nothing exactly. What My one concern

1129
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: with him when he was playing this past season was

1130
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: with if you pressure him. He did have some struggles

1131
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: with getting away from it now, not escaping the pocket

1132
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: and just running. He's not really a runner, but he

1133
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: did at times look a little frazzled or a little

1134
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: rattled in the pocket if you got consistent pressure to him.

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Speaker 1: It happened to him against Penn Stay a little bit.

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00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: It happened to him against Perdue, and it throws him

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00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: out of rhythm, which then kind of hindered their offense.

1138
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: But if you throw that out or you improve that,

1139
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: there's like no other weakness. He's got a great arm.

1140
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: He does overshoot the ball sometimes, but that's what happens

1141
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: when you got a pretty strong arm. I mean, he

1142
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: looked a part. I was very impressed by his pro

1143
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: day and and obviously you're thrown on air. But I

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00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: don't know, I I don't know what. I just don't

1145
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: know what the guy, what more of the guy can do,

1146
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: and all he's done is fall. Since Yeah, if one

1147
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: of these guys is drafted before him, it'll be stunning, stunning,

1148
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: but a huge could happen. I mean it just because

1149
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: it's it's also because team there's not the quarterback needy

1150
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: team out there. That's why these guys could all fall.

1151
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: Although if the man, if the Giants really do go

1152
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: somewhere else at six and then just pray or bank

1153
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: on the that thought. Joe Clad had them yesterday is

1154
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: one of the three teams in the mix for Josh Rosen.

1155
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: So if they luck their way into Josh Rosen with

1156
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: the second round. The all they have to go maybe

1157
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: is the second round pick that that that would that

1158
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: would be pretty fortunate for them to get Josh Rosen

1159
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: because I think Rosen is better than these quarterbacks in

1160
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: the draft. There's only I think two other teams where

1161
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: that would be more of an I can't believe that

1162
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: they're going to trip and fall into this than the Giants,

1163
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: and it would be the Chargers, and I think those

1164
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: the other two teams in the mix. All Right, we

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Speaker 1: shall see, gentlemen. Shook a pleasure. Hey, thanks as always,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for playing. Would you rather I'll come up with

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00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: another terrible game next week. It'll be great everybody, You'll

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00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: agree on everything and uh we'll have a nice fun segment.

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Speaker 1: So we look forward to that. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Eric at a Home. I want to thank Nick Shook

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