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Speaker 1: which is that just because you are a quote conservative

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Speaker 1: like small C. Conservative doesn't make you a Republican today.

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Speaker 1: Being a Republican today does mean that you buy in

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Speaker 1: to stop the steal. Now, look, I mean that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean Bill Barr is a liberal, right, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean doesn't In fact, I mean he's pretty partisan

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Speaker 1: Republican as far as I can tell, very much part

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Speaker 1: of the Republican establishment. But for what it means to

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Speaker 1: be a Republican today, as evidenced by Republican primaries, Trump

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Speaker 1: is correct because Trump is the leader of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: I don't say this as a good thing. I don't

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Speaker 1: think this is a good thing, but it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. That's true. He's set the definition. Yes, the

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Speaker 1: definition of being a Republican has nothing to do with policy,

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Speaker 1: everything to do with do you back up whatever Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump says? And so the minute you break from him,

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Speaker 1: that's it. You're dead. And I mean this does We've

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Speaker 1: had this conversation about the primaries before, but this is

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Speaker 1: why I'm so skeptical that anyone could go up against

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Speaker 1: him in the primary and ultimately prevail, because the minute

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Speaker 1: that you're directly oppositional with him, you're like you're dead

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Speaker 1: to them. That's it. You're done. You're a rhino. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you've had been handing out Barry Goldwater Lit.

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Speaker 1: Since you were fourteen years old, or your Liz Janey

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Speaker 1: or whoever, doesn't matter. Yeah, so I think that is

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Speaker 1: a point while taken the last thing. He's been giving

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Speaker 1: a lot of interer interviews. Did you write a book

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Speaker 1: or something that way. He did write a book, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's really why he's out on that.

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Speaker 1: I think this is his fortepe. I think he wants to.

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Speaker 1: I think he enjoys it. I think he's seventy. He's

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Speaker 1: like seventy two years old, he's been two time attorney jobs, multimillionaire.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care. So yeah, he definitely does not care.

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Speaker 1: That comes through in these interviews very direct, and he

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Speaker 1: did say in one of them. Now he continues to

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Speaker 1: maintain like he hopes Trump doesn't get indicted, but he's

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Speaker 1: also said it looks like the government is close to

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Speaker 1: having enough evidence to indict him. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not so persuaded from his commentary that he really doesn't

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Speaker 1: want Trump to get indicted. I think just you know,

469
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm concerned for the country. But he seems fairly

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Speaker 1: persuaded that the government has a pretty compelling case here.

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Speaker 1: And also I did think it was noteworthy that he

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Speaker 1: sort of backed up my uninformed instinct that's a Special

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Speaker 1: Master decision was not really a turning point in this case,

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Speaker 1: that it would just kind of slow things down a

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Speaker 1: little bit but not make a huge difference. And going

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Speaker 1: back to that original Washing Post article about the nuclear documents,

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Speaker 1: one thing they point out there is that, listen, they

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Speaker 1: can't use the documents that were seized in their ongoing

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Speaker 1: criminal investigation against Trump. The Justice Department can't while the

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Speaker 1: Special Master is sorting through and deciding what they're going

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Speaker 1: to do with all these documents. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that their case can't continue to go forward. They can

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Speaker 1: still interview witnesses, they can still use other evidence, they

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Speaker 1: can still present information to a grand jury while the

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Speaker 1: Special Master examines the seased material. And the reality situation

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Speaker 1: was they weren't going to make any big moves in

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Speaker 1: terms of publicly announcing an indictment till after the mid

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Speaker 1: terms anyway. So that is where things stand. There we go.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to Ukraine. Lots of very interesting stuff

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Speaker 1: going on in Ukrainian. We're going to start with that

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Speaker 1: southern offensive, so to a preview. It's actually interesting now

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Speaker 1: we have been describing this as the offensive. We've been

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Speaker 1: using the Ukrainian language. The US government declined to actually

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Speaker 1: acknowledge it is an offensive up until yesterday when Colin

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Speaker 1: called the Deputy chief over at the Pentagon affirmatively called

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military move and offensive. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why they had been reluctant to do so is because

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Speaker 1: then we have to judge is the offensive successful or not,

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Speaker 1: rather than is it a campaign, is it a pre operation,

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Speaker 1: is it a whatever? Anyway, So now we are using

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian and the US government definition that Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: in the midst of an offensive. So how's it going, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a mixed bag so far as we discuss this

504
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Speaker 1: town of Kerson has called off that poll where they

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Speaker 1: originally were going to vote on to whether they wanted

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Speaker 1: to join Russia or not, not saying it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a free pole or a free vote or anything

508
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Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, the Russians felt the need to

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Speaker 1: call it off in the midst of these quote tactical operations.

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Speaker 1: But what really caught my eye was a rare bit

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Speaker 1: of just on the ground shoe leather reporting, which shows

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Speaker 1: you the toll that this is taking. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Washington was John Hudson, a

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Speaker 1: guy that I know. He's a he's actually pretty good

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Speaker 1: reporter reporting out from the hospitals of southern Ukraine. Here's

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Speaker 1: what he says. Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal the steep toll

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Speaker 1: of the Curson offensive. Soldiers said they lacked artillery needed

518
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Speaker 1: to dislodge Russias, and trench forces described a yawning technology

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Speaker 1: gap with their better equipped adversaries. Interviews provided some of

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Speaker 1: the first direct accounts of a push to retake captured territory.

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Speaker 1: Here's what one wounded Ukrainian soldier said, quote, they used

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Speaker 1: everything on us. Who can survive in attack for five

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Speaker 1: hours like that? Describing a lengthy barrage of cluster bombs,

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Speaker 1: phosphorus munitions, mortars. He and others talked about from seven

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Speaker 1: different units, offered a view of basically a technologically outmashed

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Speaker 1: military on the front line. And in many of these

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Speaker 1: cases we're talking about guys who have lost limbs, who

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Speaker 1: have been badly, badly wounded, littered with littered with shrapnel

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Speaker 1: and with others, and I think crystal it's a grim

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Speaker 1: view into what's happening, because, look, we have shipped some

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Speaker 1: forty something billion dollars worth of arms to Ukraine. President

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Speaker 1: Biden announced, actually a Secretary Blanket announced just this morning

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Speaker 1: he's in Kiev, that we're sending two billion dollars more.

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Speaker 1: President Biden is now asking for team billion. We have

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Speaker 1: sent untold numbers of weapons, rocket systems, all kinds of

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Speaker 1: defense things to Ukraine. And the preview that I'm getting

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Speaker 1: from this is that basically, no matter what you give

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Speaker 1: these people, the Russians are still a formidable force. And

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Speaker 1: in a way, I mean, look, this has always been

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Speaker 1: the case. Russia is a great power military. Does that

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Speaker 1: mean that it's as good as the US military? No?

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Speaker 1: Is it even as good as the Chinese military? Probably not.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean though, that Ukraine, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: it's second rate power at best, even in the continent

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Speaker 1: of Europe, that it's going to be able to overnight,

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Speaker 1: even with extraordinary amounts of US weapons, affirmatively and offensively

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Speaker 1: take on this military. That's always what I've been skeptical of. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the militaries, especially in the modern age, always have the

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Speaker 1: They always have the advantage whenever they're doing defense, especially

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Speaker 1: on their home territory. Here, when we have the static

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Speaker 1: front line and then you have the Ukrainians want to

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Speaker 1: try and make this offensive, they were always going to

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Speaker 1: incur major casualties. And we'd read previously before the fall

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Speaker 1: of the Dunboss region, the Ukrainian soldiers were like, we're

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Speaker 1: losing two hundred guys a day. Many of these people

556
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Speaker 1: were six weeks earlier in boot camp. Now they're here

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Speaker 1: on the front line. A lot of them are draftees.

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Speaker 1: Some of them don't necessarily want to be there, or

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Speaker 1: you know, are forced to be there, And of course

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Speaker 1: the Russian conscripts are the same way, but they just

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Speaker 1: have a tell of a lot more of them. So

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Speaker 1: this is a really really grim view as to what

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Speaker 1: the potential look could be the beginning. Maybe they have

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Speaker 1: a lot more that we don't know about. Maybe we're

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Speaker 1: going to ship something to them which would be a

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Speaker 1: game changer, But to be honest, I don't really see

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Speaker 1: that because even in that supplemental appropriation, there's no new

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Speaker 1: weapons system right that we're sending over there. Replenishing, and

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Speaker 1: it's just when you read this, I mean again, it's horrific. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people shouldn't read this down. Go look at people like

571
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Speaker 1: losing their limbs. This is what the reality of war

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Speaker 1: looks like. This guy also, he's thirty years old. He

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Speaker 1: had no military experience before this war. He made a

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Speaker 1: living selling animal feed to pegan cow farms. His replacement

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Speaker 1: as Platoton commander also had previous military experience. So you're

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Speaker 1: talking about people who, you know, in some instances never

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Speaker 1: held a weapon before now, and other instances had just

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Speaker 1: you know, the bare minimum of training before being put

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Speaker 1: in leadership positions in this war. And he said that

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Speaker 1: we lost five people for everyone that they did. And

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Speaker 1: the part of it that I found, in some ways

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Speaker 1: the most gut wrenching is they're really they're trying really

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Speaker 1: hard to keep their spirits up and trying to tell

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Speaker 1: themselves like that it's worth it, that the cost and

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Speaker 1: the lives and the pain and the injuries, that all

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Speaker 1: of this is ultimately worth it, because yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: a different deal when you are now trying to go

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Speaker 1: on the offense to retake territory. They talk about how

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Speaker 1: the Russians, you know, have their tanks like behind these

590
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Speaker 1: concrete walls. They can pull the tanks out, go crizy,

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Speaker 1: kill a bunch of Ukrainians, and then go back behind

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Speaker 1: the walls and basically escape any sort of retaliation. The

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians are claiming that they have reclaimed a couple of

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Speaker 1: sort of smaller towns. That's very much in dispute the

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Speaker 1: account that I I don't remember this reporter or a

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Speaker 1: different one. Reporters were denied access to those towns, so

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Speaker 1: they were unable to independently confirm what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: The people they talked to you said that the battle

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Speaker 1: for those little towns continued, so very uncertain, what if

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Speaker 1: any progress has been made at this point, And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a critical time for a lot of

602
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Speaker 1: reasons that we've been underscoring. First of all, at some

603
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Speaker 1: point the US public is going to go another thirteen million,

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Speaker 1: another ten million, another twenty billion. Really, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two, As you've been covering and

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Speaker 1: we've both been covering in Europe, the energy prices are

607
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Speaker 1: so high as they move into winter, there is going

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Speaker 1: to be a turning of public opinion in Europe in

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Speaker 1: terms of how we are approaching this war and what

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Speaker 1: it means in terms of the domestic populations across Europe.

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Speaker 1: That's number two. Number three realities on the ground. As

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Speaker 1: you know, fall turns to winter, and you know, things

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Speaker 1: sort of settle in for the long haul. And these

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Speaker 1: soldiers are extreme exposed to extreme temperatures. That makes things

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Speaker 1: very difficult and it's a real morale killer. And so

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Speaker 1: that's why Zelinsky is launching this counter offensive now because

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Speaker 1: it really is unintended kind of a do or die

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Speaker 1: moment for them. He knows that there is going to

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Speaker 1: be a change in public sentiment. He knows that the

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Speaker 1: European and American populations are not going to indefinitely support

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Speaker 1: them with the blank checks that they have been forever.

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Speaker 1: As you know, things get stuck and mired and there

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Speaker 1: is seemingly little progress and continued you know, weapons flows there,

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Speaker 1: and continued energy price increases around the world and food

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00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: price increases around the world. So he knows he's really

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Speaker 1: got to make a stand here, and that's why this

627
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Speaker 1: counter offensive is ultimately so critical and so important to them.

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Speaker 1: Right now. Yeah, look it's September. They've basically got about

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Speaker 1: a month, you know, in terms of accounts and all that,

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Speaker 1: from what we know of the region, which is that

631
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Speaker 1: in Napoleon's armory Hitler's army, around October fifteenth first snowfall

632
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Speaker 1: usually comes and that's the harbinger of a very very

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Speaker 1: slow decline, both in terms of mud but also in

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Speaker 1: terms of snow and and snow in the temperature. So

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Speaker 1: that's only a month and a half away, it's not

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Speaker 1: that long away. Usually in this region you fight all

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Speaker 1: the way through the summer hoping that you can do

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Speaker 1: something within three and a half four months. So it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a difficult slog up, and they have

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Speaker 1: actually a pretty limited time window into which major operations

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Speaker 1: can continues, and then things don't really restart until February,

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Speaker 1: which is when the Russians can launch their invasion in

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Speaker 1: the first place. That's when the ground is like cold

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Speaker 1: enough in order to actually move on it. So anyway,

645
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Speaker 1: I think it was important to give people an update

646
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Speaker 1: as to what the reality of this stuff really looks like.

647
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Speaker 1: It's a terrible account. Well a link in the description

648
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Speaker 1: people can go and read it for themselves. On the

649
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: geopolitical front, some other interesting things happening. Let's go and

650
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Speaker 1: put this next one up on the screen. So this

651
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Speaker 1: is I hate the way this was even handled by Biden,

652
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Speaker 1: but effectively. When he was on his way back from vacation,

653
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Speaker 1: here's what happened. He was walking back from Marine one

654
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Speaker 1: from the south on the south lawn and reporters screamed

655
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Speaker 1: out at him, President Biden, will you designate Russia as

656
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Speaker 1: a state sponsor of terror? President Biden just said no.

657
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: Now this actually sets up, as this article lays out,

658
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Speaker 1: a pretty high stakes fight with Congress Crystal, because Congress

659
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Speaker 1: has been clamoring to label Russia as a state sponsor

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Speaker 1: of terror. Now, look, I mean, are there what the

661
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Speaker 1: Russian's doing in Ukraine horrific? You know, war crimes all that. Yeah. Probably. Now,

662
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: the issue is that if you state sponsor somebody terrorism,

663
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Speaker 1: it kicks in even more levels of sanctions at a

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Speaker 1: diplomatic level and also kind of freezes the hands of

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Speaker 1: the executive because if Congress designates, well, okay, if the

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Speaker 1: State Department designates some state sponsor of terror, there are

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Speaker 1: all kinds of ramifications and things that the US must

668
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Speaker 1: actually ensure are not happening to eventually be taken off

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Speaker 1: the list that it kind of hamstrings the ability of

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Speaker 1: the executive to both pursue any diplomatic negotiation in the

671
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Speaker 1: future and also implements all kinds of rules that the

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Speaker 1: US government must then approach said state with. We've watched

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Speaker 1: this with Iran, We've watched this with other quote unquote

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Speaker 1: state sponsors of terror, and it's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why the US executive has always been actually, frankly, very

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Speaker 1: reluctant with other major powers to not designate them state

677
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Speaker 1: sponsors of terror, even if they are clearly you know,

678
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Speaker 1: within the bounds of rhetoric or you know, within the

679
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Speaker 1: bounds of morality, is because doing it, it's kind of

680
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Speaker 1: like in the nineteen nineties whenever they didn't want to

681
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Speaker 1: say the word genocide with Rwanda because if they did,

682
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, well, I don't do something about it. Right,

683
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Speaker 1: This is exactly the same. It sounds archaic and stupid,

684
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Speaker 1: and it may sound like I'm, you know whatever, like

685
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Speaker 1: defending I'm not defending Russia. I think what they're doing

686
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: is horrific, but you know, by doing this it would

687
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Speaker 1: hamstring diplomatically any ability for US in the future to

688
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Speaker 1: really try to come to any sona of settlement. And

689
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Speaker 1: it would also make it much more difficult if we

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Speaker 1: ever wanted to roll back sanctions in the future, if

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Speaker 1: we wanted again, though it doesn't seem like Congress really cares,

692
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Speaker 1: you know, the hackeish element within that. From a bipartisan

693
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Speaker 1: point of view, yes, very strong. The dividing lines here

694
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Speaker 1: are very interesting. I mean Pelosi and other Democrats, along

695
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Speaker 1: with Republican colleagues, they are pressing want this, and Biden

696
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Speaker 1: and b Lincoln are on the other side of it.

697
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Speaker 1: Biden and b Lincoln are correct. They remember early on

698
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Speaker 1: in the war when Biden was casually throwing out like

699
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Speaker 1: puns of war criminal and we were like, yeah, but maybe,

700
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Speaker 1: like that's not helpful in terms of negotiations. Exactly, it's

701
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Speaker 1: a very similar dynamic, except I would say it's even

702
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Speaker 1: more of an important distinction here because, as you're saying,

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Speaker 1: there are sort of like direct legal ramifications of saying that.

704
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Speaker 1: It's not just an impression that's created. So it would

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Speaker 1: make it a lot more difficult for any potential diplomatic

706
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Speaker 1: negotiations to move forward, which is exactly the case that

707
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Speaker 1: Lincoln and Biden have been making. It's basically like son y'elle,

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Speaker 1: we are already sanctioning the hell out of Russia. We

709
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Speaker 1: are doing like everything you can do to them from

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Speaker 1: an economic warfare point of view. We are backing up

711
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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians with billions and billions of dollars in weapons,

712
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Speaker 1: so we are all in. But to officially make this

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Speaker 1: designation would be very unhelpful in terms of ever creating

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Speaker 1: an off ramp for Putin, ever hoping that you can

715
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Speaker 1: wind this war down. And so it did make me

716
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Speaker 1: wonder if there was some rethinking in the Biden administration

717
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Speaker 1: of the approach that they've taken so far. I mean,

718
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Speaker 1: this is a very small step ultimately, and we still see,

719
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Speaker 1: you know, the blank checks and the tens of billions

720
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Speaker 1: of dollars going out the door asking for and for

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Speaker 1: their weaponshipments. But you know, it's also true that the

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Speaker 1: sort of top level analysts have been wrong at every turn. Originally,

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Speaker 1: the thought was Russia is so strong, they're just going

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Speaker 1: to sweep in, They're going to take Key even three days,

725
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Speaker 1: it's going to be all over before there's you know,

726
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Speaker 1: even before you even know exactly what's going on. Well,

727
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Speaker 1: that turned out to be incorrect. Then the thought was, Okay, well,

728
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Speaker 1: these economic sanctions that we're going to lie, they're just

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Speaker 1: going to destroy Russia. It's going to just absolutely decimate them.

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Speaker 1: Now I've just taken a toll. But even and we're

731
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Speaker 1: about to get to this in a couple of minutes here,

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Speaker 1: even the internal Russia, like more dire assessments of what's

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Speaker 1: going on there, still doesn't live up to the expectations

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Speaker 1: of the economic toll that these sanctions would ultimately take.

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Speaker 1: And so it wouldn't surprise me if the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: is somewhat reassessing and asking themselves, Okay, what does this

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Speaker 1: look like indefinitely, because now it is clear like their

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Speaker 1: dreams of we're going to defeat Putin and it's going

739
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Speaker 1: to be the end and we're going to have a

740
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Speaker 1: Maximali's victory, that's not happening. So maybe this is a

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Speaker 1: sign that they're sort of coming to their senses about

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Speaker 1: the realities of the situation on the ground. Baby, I

743
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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, at the basic it does show

744
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Speaker 1: they're not totally crazy, because here's what the Russians say.

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Speaker 1: This is from the Russian Foreign Ministry on if such

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Speaker 1: a destination would happen. If the legislative initiatives passed, it

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Speaker 1: will mean Washington would cross the point of no return,

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Speaker 1: the most serious collateral damage to bilateral diplomatic relations up

749
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Speaker 1: to their lowering of even breaking off entirely. The US

750
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Speaker 1: side has been warned. Now look what the other side says,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be the sole determinant. But listen st Saudi Arabia.

752
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a state sponsor of terror to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't see any designation on them. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a reason for that, which is we need oil. So

755
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Speaker 1: it's like real world consequences become a consideration regardless of

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Speaker 1: whether the facts bear out or not. There's a reason

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00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: that there's only four Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and Syria.

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Speaker 1: None have any real great power, say in the affairs

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Speaker 1: of the world, and if they're smaller economies with no

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Speaker 1: real bearing on major diplomatic consequences for the US, say

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Speaker 1: for Iran, and even that Iranian designation is a long

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Speaker 1: time thing that people have been thinking about taking away

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Speaker 1: as part of the Iran deal for a while. So

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Speaker 1: the point that I'm making is that there are bigger

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Speaker 1: considerations than technical definitions and what it would mean also,

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Speaker 1: we should consider that a total break of US diplomatic

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Speaker 1: relation with Russia would be a catastrophe. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: no other way to describe it. And so if that, again,

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Speaker 1: the Russians could be bluffing, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: are they bad faith actors? Yes? Do they? Are they belicos? Often?

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Speaker 1: Of course? Now are they lying or not? There's only

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Speaker 1: one way to find out, and their only question is

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Speaker 1: is it worth it? So an interesting move there. We

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Speaker 1: should still watch it, though, because Congress can still spur

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Speaker 1: things in their rest. Yeah, and by passing some more resolutions. Okay, finally,

776
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Speaker 1: let's put this up there, which is that there have

777
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Speaker 1: been some fascinating developments with Russia and Asia. So Putin

778
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Speaker 1: and Shishiping will be meeting again in Uzbekistan later this

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Speaker 1: week for talks about signaling quote warming relations between the

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Speaker 1: two powers as they face off against the West. That's

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Speaker 1: a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Council between China and

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Speaker 1: Russia and many of the Central Asian states. Basically, what's

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Speaker 1: happening here is Putin is in a bit of a bind.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese are buying his oil and they are enriching

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Speaker 1: him to a historic degree. Now, of course that's something

786
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Speaker 1: that he appreciate. However, they are not selling him the

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00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: weapons and resupply that he needs, which is causing some

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Speaker 1: consternation in the Russian military supply chain. And actually, if

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Speaker 1: you pair it with a very new and recent report,

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Speaker 1: this TALX makes a lot of sense to put this

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Speaker 1: up there, which is that Russia is currently buying a

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Speaker 1: lot of ammunition and resupplying much of its military actually

793
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: from North Korea. North Korea of course happy to sell

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Speaker 1: to whomever will buy their stuff. They desperately need the

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Speaker 1: money in order to feed maybe one tenth of their population. Yeah,

796
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Speaker 1: obviously horrific. But the point is is that North Korea

797
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: right now quote may represent the biggest single source of

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Speaker 1: compatible legacy artillery ammunitions outside of Russia, including domestic production

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Speaker 1: to further their supplies. One of the only other ones

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Speaker 1: that could have that capability is China. The fact that

801
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Speaker 1: China has not affirmatively made that decision to sell weapons

802
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Speaker 1: directly to the Russian military and is only real economically

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Speaker 1: backstopping them that I don't think that's gone unnoticed in Moscow.

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Speaker 1: So this is an area where we should watch very closely.

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Speaker 1: We also should remember this Putin by Look, there's no

806
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Speaker 1: way to know, but it does appear. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if anybody remembers this, that he had a meeting with

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Speaker 1: Sishinpan back in February. I think it was around the

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00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: Winter Olympics when Yeah, it seems that he gave some

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Speaker 1: sort of heads up to sishing Pain. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna move in on Ukraine and she was like yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So this could also indicate bi directionally, we don't know

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Speaker 1: what's happening, which is that she should be talking about

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Speaker 1: Putin with his plans on Taiwan. Domestically, Putin could be

815
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: talking about maybe some new offensive, some new development. He

816
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: could be asking him for weapons or more. Anytime these

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Speaker 1: two me it is worth paying a lot of attention to.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should. I don't think we should

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Speaker 1: put this under the rug either. China's not doing so

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Speaker 1: well right now. Why the crystal COVID zero is wreaking

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Speaker 1: havoc across the economy there. You know, their domestic production

822
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: is way down, their real estate bubble is I mean,

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Speaker 1: things in China are at the worst point economically is

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Speaker 1: since spaceally, since two thousand and eight. So it's not

825
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Speaker 1: like there isn't turmoil on their side either that they

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Speaker 1: may be discussing with Putin. Yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: And Putin also just gave a big speech at this

828
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Speaker 1: sort of like regional confab, very bellicost I mean, typical

829
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Speaker 1: stuff you would expect, saying we will not supply gas, oil, coal,

830
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Speaker 1: heating oil, we will not supply anything. This was at

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Economic Forum. He added Moscow will let quote

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Speaker 1: the wolf's tail freeze in reference to a famous Russian

833
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Speaker 1: fairy tale. And he also was like really beating his

834
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Speaker 1: chest about how little the sanctions have affected them. Now.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is blustered. They are

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Speaker 1: taking a hit economically, There's no doubt about it, even

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Speaker 1: though the fact that oil prices have gone up has

838
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: helped to bolster them and helped to protect them from

839
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Speaker 1: some of the greatest damage, and some of the measures

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Speaker 1: that they had taken before this war to protect themselves

841
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: domestically have also helped to insulate them. But they are

842
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Speaker 1: taking a hit. But what he saying is I'm sure

843
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Speaker 1: we have not lost anything and will not lose anything.

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Speaker 1: The main thing is strengthening our sovereignty, and this is

845
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: the inevitable result of what is happening. Now we are

846
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Speaker 1: getting more of a look at what is exactly the

847
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Speaker 1: reality economically for Russia. Let's go ahead and put this

848
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Speaker 1: next part up on the screen. This from Bloomberg. They

849
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: got a hold of an internal Russian economist memo. They

850
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Speaker 1: say Russia privately warns of deep and prolonged economic damage.

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Speaker 1: The confidential document contrasts with upbeat public statements, and the

852
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Speaker 1: report says key sectors face a sharp drop in output

853
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Speaker 1: and a large brain drain. Russia did not really deny

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Speaker 1: this report. They've got sort of several scenarios, like a

855
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Speaker 1: target scenario, an inertial scenario they call it, and worst

856
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Speaker 1: case scenario. Two of the three scenarios show the contraction

857
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Speaker 1: in the Russian economy accelerating next year, with the economy

858
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Speaker 1: returning to the pre war level only at the end

859
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Speaker 1: of a decade or later. The inertial sort of the

860
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Speaker 1: middle ground one sees the economy bottoming out next year

861
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Speaker 1: eight point three percent below the twenty twenty one level.

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Speaker 1: The stress scenario, that's the worst case scenario, puts a

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Speaker 1: low in twenty twenty four at eleven point nine percent

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Speaker 1: under last year's level, and they estimate one number that

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Speaker 1: jump down here, that as many as two hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: IT specialists might leave the country by twenty twenty five,

867
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Speaker 1: the first official forecast of the widening brain train. So

868
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Speaker 1: it shows you I don't think the economic hit was

869
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Speaker 1: anything like what Western Powers expected, especially with these sort

870
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Speaker 1: of extraordinary lengths. They have gone to two sanction and

871
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Speaker 1: cut off the Russian economy, but they are sustaining damage,

872
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Speaker 1: you know, Putin's claims to the contrary, notwithstanding, there is

873
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Speaker 1: real economic damage and pain here that will be difficult

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Speaker 1: for them over the longer time. Yes, and I think

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00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: it's always important to underscore that. So anytime we talk

876
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Speaker 1: about how the Russian economy is doing better than expected,

877
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's doing well and that this is

878
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Speaker 1: a good view into that exactly. Let's talk about Pennsylvania. Yes,

879
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: so few developments, both on the OZ side and on

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00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the Feederman side. So you'll recall Trump was just in

881
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania stumping both for Oz and for the gubernatorial nominie Mastriano.

882
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: And it's increasingly become clear that Republicans feel they have

883
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Speaker 1: a problem on a couple of fronts. Number one is

884
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Speaker 1: on abortion and number two is on Donald Trump. So

885
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: doctor Oz was asked about certifying the election, and he

886
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: does his best to try to sort of separate himself

887
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: a little bit from Trump and his wildest claims. Let's

888
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: take a listen to that. If you had been in

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Speaker 1: the US Senate on January sixth of twenty twenty one,

890
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: would you have objected to the certification of the twenty

891
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Speaker 1: twenty election in Joe Biden's win. I would not have

892
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: objected to it. By the time the delegates and those

893
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Speaker 1: reports were sent to the US Senate, our job was

894
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: to approve it, which is what I would have done.

895
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Speaker 1: So that is that's a huge I mean, that's very interesting.

896
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I think we should give the backstory, which is that

897
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: the entire reason that Josh Holly decided to object to

898
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: the certification of election results was because of Pennsylvania election law,

899
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Speaker 1: specifically nothing to do with Missouri, and the most vehement

900
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: defenders of objection to certification all point to the way

901
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: that Pennsylvania election law and the Supreme Court and the

902
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Speaker 1: way that voting by mail all of that ended up working,

903
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: which exact ballots were counting. I personally think it's all

904
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: bullshit what their actual objection is. But the point was

905
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Speaker 1: that we also made at the time was Okay, dude,

906
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Speaker 1: you're from Missouri. Like, if Pennsylvania senators have a problem

907
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: with this, then Pennsylvania senators should object. And Pat Toomey

908
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: not only voted to impeach Trump, but he's somebody who

909
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: did not object to the certification. To then have doctor Oz,

910
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: the Republican nominee endorsed by Trump, say he would not

911
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: have objected to the certification, just I think showed you

912
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Speaker 1: how unpopular that is in the state of Pennsylvania. Yes,

913
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Speaker 1: and frankly, I mean does show that, you know, Oz

914
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: is not as brain dead as a dog cells kicking

915
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: around in there. I mean, it is a tough spot

916
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: for him though, because like putting aside the morality and

917
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, being honest for being dishonest. You know, he's

918
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: got a problem with the Republican base because and this

919
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: was very clear at the Trump rally for Oz in Mastriano.

920
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Mastrano was like a rock star. Oz was like, okay,

921
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I guess you know, and he was having trouble still

922
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Speaker 1: totally consolidating the Republican base behind him. So at the

923
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Speaker 1: same time, going in on these claims means that independents

924
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: are going to be like, no, I don't think so,

925
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 1: we're going to go with the other dude. So he's

926
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Speaker 1: betting that Republicans are going to come home. That's probably

927
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: the right bet to make, you know, an opposition to Biden,

928
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: in an opposition to Fetterman. You got Mastriano up there

929
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: being like mister crazy pants at the top of the ticket.

930
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: So I guess that'll sort of satisfy the hardcore mega deniers.

931
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Speaker 1: And so this is his strategic calculation that he needs

932
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Speaker 1: to take a step back from the election fraud claims

933
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Speaker 1: and also take a step back directly from sort of

934
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Speaker 1: Trump and the movement that comes out. In the next SoundBite,

935
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: we want to show you where he refuses to say

936
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Speaker 1: whether or not he is a maga Republican. Let's take

937
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: a listen to that. Are you a maga Republican? I

938
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Speaker 1: support what President Trump has argued while he was in

939
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: the White House that we can actually make America a

940
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: great company if we put our country first, we're tough

941
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Speaker 1: on trade, if we do the kinds of things that

942
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: were done during that administration. I think a lot of

943
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Speaker 1: Americas that they look objectively at how the country was

944
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Speaker 1: doing while President Trump was in office, would have to

945
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: argue and could convincingly argue that it was in better

946
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: shape than we are now. Kind of a practiced answer there, Like,

947
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: clearly he was sort of expecting to get this question

948
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Speaker 1: at some point, and this is what he had ready

949
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: to go. But what did you make of how he's

950
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: rounded there? This is why always thought Oz would actually

951
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: be a decent candidate, which is that whenever he has

952
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: to navigate tricky issues, he's pretty good at it. I mean.

953
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Speaker 1: And now let's put aside him attacking betterman and going

954
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Speaker 1: after him and actually, you know, really running a good campaign.

955
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: But in all of these cases, with the election results

956
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Speaker 1: in terms of Trump taking his endorsement but not going

957
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: full maga, that's why the Maga people hated him in

958
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: the first place. But that's frankly, what probably makes it

959
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: more electable than a lot of these other folks. The

960
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: other interesting thing we didn't have this clip, but also

961
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: on a pro life answer, he did the same thing. Alli.

962
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Speaker 1: Here's what he said. They asked him specifically about you know,

963
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: all these exceptions the rape. He said, Look, I think

964
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: that health, these decisions should be local. Me, I'm pro

965
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: life except in three cases, rape, incest, and the life

966
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Speaker 1: of the mother. So he puts aside the most controversial cases. Yeah,

967
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, he's pro we all know he's actually

968
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Speaker 1: pro choice, or you know, at the very least was

969
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: pro choice in here. So he triangulates very closely too.

970
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: It's like, look, I'm pro life, you know, personally, that's

971
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: my decision. But he's also talked about this previous He's like,

972
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: I take very much in the case of what my

973
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: patients want, and I'm all about being a doctor. And

974
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, then it puts things into the category of

975
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Speaker 1: you take out the most heinous examples that you know,

976
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: many of these pro lifers will defend it, murkies it up. Now.

977
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's popular, but it just doesn't make

978
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: him seem as radical as many of these other politicians.

979
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: So those all three things all happened in the same day,

980
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: all of those interviews, and I found it interesting in

981
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: terms of his ability to triangulate to at the very

982
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: least the least unpopular parts of Republican positions. Yeah, that

983
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, you also see, I mean you see

984
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: Republicans across the country trying to walk this line. Blake

985
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: Master is the most clear example, Like he had to

986
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: do an actual flip, So yeah, taking stuff down from

987
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: his website. Used to say like federal personhood band. Now

988
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: he's like, how about after fifteen weeks, how about we

989
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: land there? Because I did the polling and that seems

990
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: like it might be an acceptable position. So it's very

991
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: clear from these moves, like Republicans know they have an

992
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: issue in these two areas. And it is funny though,

993
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: because with Oz, he managed to get through the primary

994
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: without taking on some of the most unpopular, most extreme

995
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Republican positions on abortion and with regards to Trump. And

996
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: yet you've got, you know, this other dude, Mastriano is

997
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: running for governor who's all in on the wildest of

998
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: the wild shit that they're into, and was like there

999
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: on January sixth and was an integral part of the

1000
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: Stop the Steel campaign in Pennsylvania. And he's actually outperforming

1001
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Oz and the polls. So, I mean, I think it

1002
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: tells you something about the effectiveness thus far of the

1003
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: Fetterman campaign actually, and I think it tells you the

1004
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: strength of Fetterman's sort of image and his appeal to

1005
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: voters in the state of Pennsylvania and the general sense

1006
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: that they have about him and how he's one of

1007
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: them and all of that. And I think it also

1008
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: says something about how savvy and strategic the Fetterman campaign

1009
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: has been up to this point. I mean, they have

1010
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: been relentless and very effective in painting Oz as this

1011
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: rich celebrity, out of touch from New Jersey asshole. And

1012
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: Oz has played right into that both with his you

1013
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: know is hilarious like Crue de taye answers and not knowing,

1014
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: not knowing how many houses he has and this sort

1015
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: of stuff. But I think also, and we're about to

1016
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: talk more about the Fetterman health issues, I think also,

1017
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: as we discussed before, and going so hard in such

1018
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: a sort of vicious and cruel way at Fetterman on

1019
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: his stroke recovery, I don't think that has helped Oz.

1020
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: I think it has just played into this narrative that like, dude,

1021
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: at bottom, you're just kind of like an elitist asshole.

1022
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: See that. I don't know, Cristel, and maybe we should

1023
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: talk about this, you can set it up, let's go. Yeah. So,

1024
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: I mean it is becoming more of a central campaign

1025
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Speaker 1: issue Fetterman's recovery from his stroke that he suffered just

1026
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: before the Democratic primary. And you know, it is very

1027
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: clear in his speeches that he is not all the

1028
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: way recovered. His campaign is being is saying, you know,

1029
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: not only does he have some speech issues, he also

1030
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: has some auditory some curing issues. So I know some

1031
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: of the interviews that he's been conducting recently, he's got

1032
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: the is captioning so we can make sure that he,

1033
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't miss any of the language, any of

1034
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: the words that are being spoken. Just to give you

1035
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: a sense of that, here's a little bit of John

1036
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Fetterman on the stump. Please understand the stakes in this race.

1037
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: Send me to Washington, d C. To send so I

1038
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: can work with Senator Casey and I can champion the

1039
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: Union way of life in Jersey and excuse me in DC.

1040
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. And it's an honor.

1041
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: I live eight minutes away from here, and when I

1042
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: leave tonight, I got three miles away. Doctor Oz in

1043
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: his mansion in New Jersey. You've got a friend and

1044
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: you have an ally. Send me to Washington, d C.

1045
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thank you. Steerer us. So you

1046
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: can see they're struggling to get through, you know, the

1047
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: talk there at the end, and the Pittsburgh Post Gazette

1048
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: just put out an editorial saying, you know, basically, let's

1049
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up on the screen. They

1050
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: say basically, like, you know, Oz has been very like

1051
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: nasty about the way that he's gone about this. But

1052
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: the truth is they say that that said mister Oz

1053
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: has raised legitimate concerns. If mister Fatterman's communication skills have

1054
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: not yet recovered sufficiently to effectively debate his opponent, many

1055
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: voters will have concerns about his ability to represent them

1056
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: effectively in Washington. While he's gamely undertaken one more more

1057
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: campaign events and media interviews in recent weeks, mister Fetterman

1058
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: still speaks haltingly and relies unclosed captioning to fully understand

1059
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: his conversation partners. This was all sort of sparked by

1060
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: this conversation about would they would he or would he

1061
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: not debate. There was a debate that was that was

1062
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: upcoming that he back down of. Now the very latest

1063
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Speaker 1: is and let's put Politico up on the screen. Here

1064
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Speaker 1: he says he will debate doctor Oz he will do

1065
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: that in October, not specifying which debate or providing an

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00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: exact date, but the expectation is he is going to

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: going to be on the debate stage. And you know,

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00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm someone who thinks that that's important. I think it

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00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: should be required of all candidates if they answer questions,

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00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: and then voters can decide for themselves whether they feel,

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00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, that his health concerns are enough for them

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00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: to change their mind and change their vote and go

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00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: in the other direction or not. They deserve to have

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: that information. I think there's no doubt about it. But

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00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: I also and this is where I come back to

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00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: the point I was making about doctor Oz that I

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00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: think you might disagree with. But because they have been

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00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: so aggressive and so mean spirited in the way that

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00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: they've prosecuted this case, they've also set the bar very

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00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: low for Fetterman. So if he's able to perform in

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00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: like a reasonable way on the debate stage, he doesn't

1082
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: have a very high bar to clear here. It kind

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00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: of reminds me of you know, Biden during the Democratic primary,

1084
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: when there was a lot of talk about like, oh,

1085
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy's up to it at all.

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Then if he just got on the stage and didn't

1087
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: like make a total fool of himself, people were like, oh,

1088
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: he's okay, it's good enough. No, you're not wrong. That

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: being said, is there a realistic expectation that in a

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00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: month you're going to be all that much better? I mean,

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00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a doctor on planet Earth that

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00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: would say is a stroke victim that you should be

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00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: out there, you know, doing what John Fetterman is doing,

1094
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: and he's you know, look, I hate to say it,

1095
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: but if you can't understand speech properly, you shouldn't be

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00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: a senator. If you can't speak like that. If that's

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00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: if that's as good as it gets, at least for

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00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: the next year or so, I don't think you should

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00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: be a senator. I mean I really don't. How can

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00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: you possibly live up to the dances like problems understanding

1101
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: or like he's look at the can't speak. But like, again,

1102
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: this is something the voters can decide it is. Ultimately,

1103
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't vote for it, I can tell you that.

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: But I think we have a lot of examples where

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00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: people look at you know, Biden as one example, and

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00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, he's slowing down but ultimately I freaking

1107
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: hate Donald Trump, so I would vote for Biden's corpse

1108
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: over that guy. I mean, I feel that way about

1109
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: like Bernie Sanders post heart attack. I would take Bernie

1110
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: because he represents an ideology and is going to be

1111
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: there on the policies that I care about over anybody else,

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: even if his health is flagging and if he's slowing

1113
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: down physically. So I really think a lot of voters

1114
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: feel the same way, where it's much more about like, Okay,

1115
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: does this person do they represent my values? Number? One?

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00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: Number two? Like what are the sort of what's the

1117
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: sort of national mood. I don't see that these health

1118
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: concerns have been all that persuasive to voters in recent elections,

1119
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: because ultimately they care, Okay, how are you going to vote?

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00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Are you able to vote? Are you able to cast

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00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: votes in the direction that I want? That's what I

1122
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: ultimately care about. And do I feel like you are

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00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: going to represent me and my interests? I don't disagree

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00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: with you, so we'll see. Correct. The Bernie example is

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: a good one. He came back and bounced back big

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: time by Joe Biden, same thing. I do think this

1127
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: one is a bit more stark. And I do think

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00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: also that if the man is literally unable to speak

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00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: even two weeks up to election day, that will have

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: some sort of negative effect. Doesn't mean that he'll lose, No,

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: not at all. I do think Oz made a mistake

1132
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: in making the vegetable comment. If he'd ever ate in

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00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: a vegetable in his life, wouldn't have had a stroke.

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00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: He didn't make that comment, to be clear, one of

1135
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: his campaign I think that was a mistake. I don't

1136
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: think that's what he should have said. Again, given the

1137
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is not a particularly healthy state, especially the old

1138
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: people who live in Pennsylvania. So I mean, Fetterman has

1139
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: a sympathy factor, but it only goes so far. And

1140
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: listen Biden. Yeah, he may misspeak, but for some reason,

1141
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: with Biden when it actually counts, he seems to be fine.

1142
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: It's a mystifying thing where if he's off the cuff

1143
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: and he's meandering, you know, even in Afghanistan, like he'll

1144
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: leave like a forceful statement. And he did a weird

1145
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: thing where he leaned on the podium. He's a strange cat.

1146
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't really get it, but Bernie, I get the

1147
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: drug cocktail figured out. Bernie never did look even post

1148
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: Heeart attack. Honestly, he looked fine. I mean for an

1149
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: old man. He always spoke a really wetter that he

1150
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: really did like he lost even Trump. I mean, look,

1151
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: Trump is obese as hell. I mean, listen, after he lost,

1152
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: I left the presidency looks better than he did when

1153
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: he was in office. The thing with Betterman is how

1154
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: stark it is like when you when you're skipping words

1155
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: and not being able to speak. And then also he

1156
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: made a mistake. Sh didn't have said they couldn't debate

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01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: because of health reasons. He should have just said I'm

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01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: not going to debate somebody who I disrespect so who

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: disrespects me so much like us. I disagree that with

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01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: that because I think part of what has been I

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01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: think it has been relatable the way that they've approached this,

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01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: because they've been after the initial stretch, they've been relatively

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01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: upfront about his recovery, that he still has these speech

1164
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: and auditory processing issues. They're one of the things they

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: talked about for this debate is can he get close

1166
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: captioning to make sure that he's hearing everything. So I

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: think actually that that is a smart way to play

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01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: it because everyone would No one would be fooled. If

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: you were like, no, it's just because I don't like

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: doctor Oz. People would be like, dude, we know it's

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: because you're recovering from your stroke. That's fair. So I

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01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: think it's better for them to be candid. I think

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: that the way that the Oz team has played it

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01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: has been foolish, because there is a way to raise

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01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: these concerns, like the Pittsburgh Post Casette did it in

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: a much more effective way frankly, where they're like Oz

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: is being an asshole, but there are legitimate questions here.

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01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: The way that the Oz campaign should have done it

1179
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: is to try to get these you know stories planted

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01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: with sort of you know, allied media figures where it

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: seems like it's being raised organically, where it's a press

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: conversation where they can weigh in just with like, gosh,

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01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 1: we really hope he recovers, but you know, he needs

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01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: to be able to answer questions the public, and we're

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: pushing forward with debates because we think it's important to

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: have that accountability. That should have been war their tone

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: versus this like he's fat and he doesn't need vegetables,

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: and we you know, like basically cheering for him to

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: be ill and making fun of him for his recovery.

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01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see. I mean, it's going to be

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: a big question mark how he's able to perform in

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: that debate. I think there will be a lot of

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01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: eyes on it. I do think the way that the

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01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: OZ team has approached this, they've set the bar very

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01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: low for him, so that if he's able to sort

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01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: of like, you know, muster a decent performance, that's going

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: to be good enough for voters to say, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's good enough. It's much better than what was portrayed. Yeah,

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: that's right. All right, let's go ahead and move on

1200
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas. This this is very very interesting stuff here,

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01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and put this up there on

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: the screen. Which is that reporter Jeff German. He is

1203
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: a storied figure and at the Las Vegas Review Journal.

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: He was killed at his house last week in a

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01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: stabbing incident that really shocked the Las Vegas Review Journal

1206
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of people in the area. German had

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01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: done a lot of different series. He did one called

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Speaker 1: Mobbed Up, which is a podcast series about the history

1209
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: of Las Vegas. I actually knew a lot about him

1210
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: because I read a lot of his stuff that concerned

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas shooting. I was fascinated by that shooting. Still,

1212
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: there's a hell of a lot of questions around what

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01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: exactly happened on that day, and a lot like the

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01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: FBI has ever given us any good story. So long

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: after the national press stopped reporting on this, he was

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Speaker 1: one of those dogged people really digging into the details.

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: He also was digging into Las Vegas politicians, and that

1218
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: is where it seems that this all leads back to.

1219
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: So just this morning, Robert Tellis, who is the Clark

1220
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: County Public administrator, was arrested on suspicion of murder in

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Speaker 1: the stabbing of Jeff German at his house. The details

1222
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: of this are genuinely shocking. So Robert Tellis, like I said,

1223
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Speaker 1: he's the Clark County public administrator, had been the subject

1224
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: of repeated investigations by Jeff German. German had actually published

1225
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: several reports about Tellus's abusive environment. It caused Tellus his

1226
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: own staffords to record him in the car the corroborated,

1227
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of his abusive behavior affair. Yeah, I

1228
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to go too far, but Hey, I'm scared

1229
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Speaker 1: of this guy. Now he's a murderer allegedly. Anyway, people

1230
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: like this are crazy. So what happened is that he

1231
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: was having an affair, He had an abusive environment, his

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: staff was turning on him. All of this was being

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01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: leaked to Jeff German. German publishes all of this head

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01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: of the election. Actually, Tellis loses the election in large

1235
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: part due to all of this. Now, in this interim period,

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01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: what's been happening is that German has been foiaying and

1237
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: requesting even more documents and text messages between tell Us analysts.

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: Tell Us on Twitter and in public had been trashing

1239
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: Jeff German, saying they had it out for him. Yeah. Well,

1240
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: now what happens is that German is killed. Police then search,

1241
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: let's put this on the screen. Yesterday went ahead and

1242
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: searched Robert Tellis's residence, and at that residence they towed

1243
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: away a red GMC yukon which matches the exact description

1244
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: that police had put out for the actual murderer, saying

1245
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: that the suspect who drives a GFCU com between two

1246
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: thousand and seven twenty fourteen with chrome handles, that's exactly

1247
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Speaker 1: the car that they towed away from this guy. Tell

1248
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: Us was interrogated by investigators at the scene. At his house.

1249
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: Tell Us refused to answer any questions and appeared very

1250
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: perturbed whenever he was going back into his garage. And

1251
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: then this morning we get the news he was formally

1252
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: arrested uncharged with murder for murdering allegedly Jeff gar I

1253
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: mean this, I don't even know how to describe. I mean,

1254
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: to have a reporter who did his job and exposed

1255
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: the wrongdoing of a public official and didn't have that

1256
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: public official straight up not just kill like he stabbed

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01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: him to death. That is a you know, that is

1258
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: deeply personal, deeply personal up the front yes, violence that

1259
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: this person seems to have displayed against this man. I

1260
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: just think we should remember him for some of the

1261
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: great work that he did, not only on this but

1262
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: his podcast series, the work on Stephen Paddock and that

1263
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: that Las Vegas shooting. He was, you know, sixty something

1264
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: years old, just a fantastic career. I don't know, this

1265
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: is beyond the circumstance of being absolutely insane. It's very

1266
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: very terrifying, you know, to have people I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: we're in this business that a lot of people, you know,

1268
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 1: we talk a lot, a lot of poultations and more.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody ever imagined somebody's going to come

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01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: up and strip kill you at your house. Yeah, oh,

1271
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And when he was originally murdered, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: speculation about who could have done this, because, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: had gone after the mob in Vegas. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what he was most famous for. He'd also

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01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: done a lot of digging into that. Well, I'll be honest,

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01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: that's what I was. I was like, oh, man, this

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01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: guy poked the bear, the last Vegas shooter, which you're right,

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: there still remain a lot of unanswered questions about who

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01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: this guy was and what exactly happened there, why it

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01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: took so long for the police to stop the shooting,

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Speaker 1: and all of those things he's taken. You know, this

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: is not the only politician that he's gone after. Of course,

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: as well exposing corruption. There's a lot of corruption in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and he was part of exposing that corruption,

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01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: also exposing like extremist activity in southern Nevada. So there

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Speaker 1: were a lot of potential. There were a lot of

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: people out there who were not happy about having their

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: ugly deeds and secrets exposed by an incredibly effective and

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01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: dogged reporter. But when you started to look into this

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Speaker 1: Teles dude, who apparently what this office that he does,

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01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: what they handle is like people who die, Like there

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01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: are states they're involved in, like executing those estates, and

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Speaker 1: this is a publicly elected position in uh Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: and in the state of Nevada, And you get the sense, Yeah,

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01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these like toxic workplace allegations that

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01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: are out there now, but you get the sense this

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01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: one was super legit that these employees were even more Now, yes,

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01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: that these employees were legit afraid of this guy makes

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: sense now, and you know that they felt like the

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: only recourse was to sort of like, you know, leak

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: to this to the press. And then ultimately one of

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01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: the former employees ends up running against him in the primary.

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 1: That's who defeats him. He ends up these these revelations

1305
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: in the press were so damning that he didn't just

1306
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: lose to this person. He got third in the Democratic primary,

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01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: behind even someone who didn't even campaign. So clearly this

1308
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: was the deciding factor in terms of his life. And

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: then afterwards, as these stories are coming out, and then

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01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: after he loses reelection in all of these things, his

1311
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: response to German becomes increasingly unhinged in tweets, and then

1312
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: he posts this like totally unhinged public letter on his website,

1313
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: just railing against this reporting. And then, as you said,

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01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: I think, apparently allegedly the final straw here was that

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01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 1: German wasn't done, that there was more information he wanted

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: to uncover. He filed these Foyer requests. He was still

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: pursuing the story. And so you know the information we

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: got is, first the police released these two photos, one

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01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: of a reported suspect who had a straw hat on

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: so you couldn't see their face and was like carrying

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: a bag. It definitely had like a body shape that

1322
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: could have been tell Us. And then this picture of

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01:08:52,240 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: this vehicle that then reporters are like that tell us interesting. Somebody, actually,

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: some local reporter was able to ask him a few

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: questions as he was walking into his house after they

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: had seized the vehicle and searched his house, and of

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01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: course he refused to answer anything. Bizarrely, he was wearing

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01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: like a white Hasmatsu. Really weird. I was wondering the

1329
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: same thing. I literally looked like he was in like

1330
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: a forensic investigator. It was weird anyway, So I guess

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01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: now we know that this is this is the direction

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: that the cops have gone in, and that they think

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: that this man stabbed this reporter to death because he

1334
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,879
Speaker 1: destroyed his political career by exposing, you know, the misdeeds

1335
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: of tell Us. It is scary, it is you know,

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01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: it's it's just really of course, your heart breaks for

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: that community and for his loved ones, and it's underscores

1338
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: what sort of dangerous and fraught times we live in

1339
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: right now. I guess I would say, you're right. Okay,

1340
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: let's move on to Steve Bannon here. So some crazy

1341
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: developments in the state of New York. Let's put this

1342
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: up there on this I mean, Steve Bannon is facing

1343
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: a New York State indictment and is going to turn

1344
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: himself in to the state where it is clear he

1345
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: will be prosecuted. Now, the actual details of this were

1346
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:16,440
Speaker 1: not yet released by the state. However, all current indications,

1347
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: let's put and put this up there on the screen

1348
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: from Bannon himself and from others. Is that this is

1349
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: involving the quote unquote we build the Wall scheme that

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01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: Bannon was originally indicted by the Justice Department of the

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: federal government for. So here's what the details are Versa'll

1352
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: read you what Steve Bannon says, quote days after being

1353
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: swatted three different times by drain stug from the New

1354
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: York City inspired by the administration to assassinate me by police.

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: The source backda blah blah blah. The SDNY did the

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01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: exact same thing to try and take me out of

1357
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: the election. It didn't work then, it certainly won't work now.

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: There is nothing more than a partisan political weaponization of

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01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. I'm proud to be a leading

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: voice on protecting our borders and building a wall to

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01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: keep our country safe. The war rooms show will be

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: more vital, more intense, more urgent, and bigger this time. Now.

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: The details of this, which we described also at the time,

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: were and actually, interestingly enough, I knew a lot about

1365
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: this when I was working over at the Daily Caller

1366
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: because they did some of the initial work exposing what

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: a fraud this entire thing was. It essentially involved a

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: GoFundMe in which Trump supporters were giving real money, like

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01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to an organization that said, if the

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: government's not going to build the wall, will build the wall.

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: We'll buy private land and will build an actual border

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01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: wall on top of that. And there was a lot

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01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: of schemes as to like contractors that are going to

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: get involved and all of this. And essentially what came

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01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: out from the Southern District of New York who indicted Biden, sorry,

1376
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: indicted Bannon on fraud charges were that Bannon himself and

1377
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: the founder of this organization essentially pocketed like a million

1378
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: dollars and that none of it actually went to they

1379
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: never built scheme and the well yeah, well look go

1380
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: down there was it built or not? Plot twist? It wasn't.

1381
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,879
Speaker 1: This was promoted on Fox by a lot of conservative

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: media organizations, like I said, to their credit, the Daily

1383
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: Caller Andrew Kerr specifically, who used to work there was

1384
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: a guy who exposed all of this going on down

1385
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: At the time, it was a clear you know, bilking

1386
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: and grift of the public, but it turned criminal when

1387
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: it turned into outright fraud, of which Bannon himself attached

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: to the project, And I mean I said this at

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: the time, but like it really is outrageous. Is It's

1390
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: clear that there were again good meeting folks, they were old,

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01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: some of them were believers. They gave their hard earn

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: cash to this GoFundMe and they stole it. And Bannon,

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: this is what always pisses me off. He was already

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: a multimillionaire before he walked into the Oval Off. I mean,

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: before we even walked in the White House. Why do

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01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: you need this money? Like why take a million dollars

1397
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: from these old people? Nice printing money off war room?

1398
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: And it's like, why why did you do this? But

1399
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: remember also Trump pardoned Steve Bannon for this, so it

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01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: didn't look like Bannon was ever going to get prosecuted

1401
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: by the FEDS. But then Andrew Cuomo actually signed a

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01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: law in twenty nineteen. Let's put this up there. He

1403
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: signed a law saying that New York is still allowed

1404
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: to prosecute anyone who has been pardoned by a president.

1405
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: That's why New York State indicted Bannon on this charge

1406
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: and will be able to prosecute him. By the way,

1407
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: the SDNY case against Bannon was open and shut, so

1408
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: this does look like Bannon very much could face some

1409
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: legal consequences outside of the contempt charges by Congress and

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: the other stuff that we had seen in Crystal. Yeah, well,

1411
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: the other folks. So Trump pardoned Bannon, he did not

1412
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 1: pardon the other folks that were involved in this scheme.

1413
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: So two other men, including disabled veteran Brian colefage. Is

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01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: that he's the guy who was a mass He was

1415
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: like the ringleader of this whole thing. They both pleaded

1416
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: guilty in federal court in connection with the fundraising scheme.

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01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: Another trial involving third alleged participant, Timothy sha ended in

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01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: a mistrial in June when the jury could not reach

1419
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: a unanimous verdict. So you've already got two dudes who

1420
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 1: were like, guilty, We'll take the deal. So, yeah, doesn't

1421
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: look good for mister Bannon here. Of course, he came out,

1422
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, swinging with the like the laugh to kill

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01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: me first, et cetera, et cetera. But he was full

1424
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: of a lot of bluster before his contempt trial here

1425
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: in DC, and that also was like an open and shutcase,

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: and basically the judge sort of like laughed him and

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: his defense team out of the courtroom because they were

1428
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: trying to use these political arguments that he would use

1429
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: in the war room in a court of law, and

1430
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: they were like, this is ridiculous and this doesn't this

1431
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: is not a real defense. So there you go. I mean, look,

1432
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: Brian Colfatch again, I remember he would go after the

1433
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: Daily Caller for reporting any of the truth behind his

1434
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: whole scam and actually in some cases would use his

1435
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: veteran status and disabilities in order to how dare you

1436
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: come after me? He is the little identity politics weaponization?

1437
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: Is there the lowest of the low for going after

1438
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: again old people and others who genuinely believed in this.

1439
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: Isn't he the one that bought the that bought like

1440
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: a yacht with this money or something like that. That's

1441
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: my I don't remember the exact details, but I mean

1442
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: taking money from the people and not actually doing what

1443
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: you say is just like, especially whenever it comes to

1444
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: cynically using it for political purposes, is just truly one

1445
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: of the worst things that you can do. And that

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: you did a yacht, by the way, it's correct, and

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01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 1: remembering that detail, Yeah, here's the yacht that united build

1448
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 1: the Wall founder. You stolen money to It is disgusting.

1449
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever you think of like border security and

1450
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: the well that aside. These are people who believed in

1451
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: something who were completely defrauded and they deserve justice. I

1452
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: mean it is disgraceful and it's disgraceful the number of

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: people who have coalesced around this like movement that just

1454
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: see these, especially elderly folks in the movement is like

1455
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:46,879
Speaker 1: an easy mark for cash and it's it is absolutely disgusting.

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01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: You're right, they're the lowest of below. Yeah, so there

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: you go. All right, so were you looking at Well,

1458
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: it's time to talk about California. It's a place that

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01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: I genuinely adore. Best weather in the country, unparalleled natural beauty,

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: absolutely massive, a place that symbolizes manifest destiny and the

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01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: American project. At least that's the way people we used

1462
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: to think about it. Somehow, in the last few decades,

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: one of our most wondrous states in the country has

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01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: completely lost its way. It's been captured by it woke

1465
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: oligarchy and an ideology to ruin some of the most

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: beautiful and incredible cities in the country. Don't listen to me,

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: listen to the people of California. For years, it has

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01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: added and or it has lost residents coming to take

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01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: advantage of the weather and economic opportunity. Over the last

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01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: two years, it's lost nearly one percent of its entire

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01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: population due to dissatisfied residents from across the strait. The

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01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: fleeing sees no signs of abating, and the number one

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01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: complaint is always the same. It's just unlivable for many

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01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,839
Speaker 1: normal people. Put crime, cost of living, and everything else aside.

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: The reason I'm focusing so much on power on this

1476
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: show is because, to say something very trite, power is life.

1477
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Without it, much of the American dream is impossible. Literally,

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01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: many sections of our country are un un livable, and

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01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: the technological future that I want to live in is impossible.

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: That is why California's machinations with power and its ideological

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: commitment to green ideology distresses me so much and is

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: stressing the lives of its citizens. In the middle of

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01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: a major heat wave, the California electric grid yesterday came

1484
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: literally within minutes of needing to institute rolling blackouts amid

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01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: a heat wave that across the state. Power generators and

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: the state had to ask Californians to set their ac

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: at seventy eight degrees, avoid charging their electric vehicles during

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01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: the day, and to reduce power in any way they

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01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: possibly could now put aside the easy dunk of how

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01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 1: exactly they're going to have an entire state with electric

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: cars if they can't charge them in the day. In

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01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, let's dig into why, because it actually

1493
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: tells us everything about green ideology and it shows us

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01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: how we really got into this mess. Eight years ago,

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01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: California passed the law requiring it to have sixty percent

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 1: of its grid powered by renewable energy by twenty thirty

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: and to achieve a one hund hundred percent quote renewable

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01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: grid by twenty fifty. The types of renewables, of course,

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01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 1: though that they focus on hydro power, solar power, and

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01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: wind power, and a plan to decommission the only two

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: nuclear power plants in the state. Now. As part of

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01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: this renewable investment, they channeled all their money into these

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: technologies and potential storage solutions. This created two problems. First,

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01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: California still relies heavily on natural gas to power its grid.

1505
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: To nuclear power, the cleanest, most reliable form of low

1506
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: carbon power, was left off of the table. Thus, in

1507
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: the interim several years, California has thrown by some estimates,

1508
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: some fifty billion dollars to solar, hydro, and wind. And

1509
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: the promise of those investments was that in the middle

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01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: of a crisis, California would not have to turn to

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01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: natural gas and other fossil fuels, which traditionally have been

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01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: the most reliable. So it's been a decade. How did

1513
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: that work out well? In the middle of the heat wave,

1514
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 1: California's grid nearly failed. Consumers had to live in houses

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01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: at nearly eighty degrees because renewables were not reliable. Hydro

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: was unavailable because of severe drought across the state. Solar

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: generation was failing because there isn't enough storage to power

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: the grid through the nighttime, meaning they had only three

1519
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: options fire up natural gas, run nuclear that they have

1520
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: been tried to desperately inter recently close, and three by

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01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: power from other states generated by natural gas. Here's the

1522
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: main problem. They haven't spent any money even updating their

1523
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: natural gas fired plants. Instead spend all the money on renewables,

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01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: so that when they need the natural gas, they can't

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: even get as much power from it. In fact, when

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: I checked to see how the grid was doing. The

1527
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: results actually are stunning when the grid is failing. Here

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01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: the exact source of power for California was renewables at

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01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: nine point seven percent natural gas, fifty hydro six imports,

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01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: twenty seven batteries, zero nuclear seven. So consider it this way,

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: for the literally tens of billions of dollars that California

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01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: has spent, they can only achieve a wap in ten

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: percent renewable energy load in the middle of crisis. And

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01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: as I observed here, for all the billions they spent,

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: the Diablo Nuclear Power plant, which came online in nineteen

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01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: eighty five, is generating about as much power for the grid.

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: That's a colossal failure. The future is clear. The California

1538
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: legislature needs to extend its recent decision to save the

1539
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: Diablo Canyon Nuclear power Plant beyond twenty twenty four. They

1540
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 1: need to take all the hundreds of billions of dollars

1541
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: they have set aside for renewable power and pour at

1542
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: least half and preferably even more into nuclear construction. The

1543
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: California dream of electric cars really is achievable. Nuclear power

1544
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: has a ninety two percent capacity factor double natural gas,

1545
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: which relies right now for most of its power. I

1546
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: still don't understand how California and Germany, two states which

1547
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,839
Speaker 1: claim to care about the environment and carbon just ignore

1548
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,520
Speaker 1: nuclear altogether. The only thing that explains it is green brainwashing.

1549
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: We don't have time for that. Nuclear power doesn't care

1550
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: if it's too hot, runs great as long as you

1551
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: maintain it, like any grid system. That's the obvious lesson

1552
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: from this Neil near failure and from the energy crisis

1553
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: sparked by Western sanctions on Russian oil and gas. We

1554
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: can literally have our cake and eat it too. It

1555
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: just requires planning, dropping ideology, and requires spending money that

1556
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: we have already appropriated, but this time in a smart way. Again,

1557
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying this as someone who loves California. If I

1558
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: could pick anywhere else to live, it would probably be

1559
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: there every time I visit. It's dazzling, but the incompetence

1560
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: of its leadership over decades is making the place unlivable.

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01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: California deserves to be saved, and the people who live

1562
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 1: there deserve a life that isn't just livable, but thriving.

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01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't too long ago that California embodied that

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01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: honor tradition of a great future out west and if

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01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: we don't save it, a promise to destroy even America itself.

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01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, Cristal. You look at this nine

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: percent and if you want to hear my reaction to

1568
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: Cyber's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Cristal,

1569
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: what are you taking to look at? Well, Guys, we've

1570
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: gotten new evidence that the panda changed everything when it

1571
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: comes to how workers think about their jobs. Now that

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01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: evidence comes in a series of trends. First, we've already

1573
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: closely tracked the great resignation here post pandemic. A massive

1574
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: wave of workers fled their jobs for greener pastures. Some

1575
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: shifted within the same industry, taking advantage of a tight

1576
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: labor market to look for more pay or more flexibility.

1577
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,879
Speaker 1: Some had their eyes opened by the pandemic and shifted

1578
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: their entire life approach, moving downsizing, working less, spending more

1579
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: time with families and with hobbies. We've also tracked the

1580
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: grassroots labor unrest that has burned like wildfire across some

1581
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: of the least likely industries in the US. There's literally

1582
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: never been a significant unionization surge in fast food, But

1583
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: Starbucks workers have turned that logic on its head. Their

1584
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: union push not only led to hundreds of Starbucks stores unionizing,

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01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: but as little fire under workers at other fast food

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: and retail stores as well. Potle workers are unionizing, ARII

1587
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: workers are unionizing, veries and store workers are unionizing, and

1588
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: so many more. The huge Amazon warehouse wind was similar

1589
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: similarly lit a fire under logistics workers. Just in the

1590
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: past month, another Amazon warehouse filed for union election. Already

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01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: unionized worker has been going on strikes to demand a

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: better deal in their workplaces, and all of this activity

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01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: is buttressed by public sentiment that is shockingly pro union.

1594
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: According to Gallup, seventy one percent of Americans are pro union. Now.

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01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: That's an insane turnaround in support in just a decade.

1596
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: Back when Obama was in office, Americans were basically fifty

1597
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: to fifty on union support, and there was a hard

1598
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: partisan dividing line. Now, even as trust in nearly every

1599
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: other institution plummets, Americans are saying at historic levels they

1600
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: believe in the union movement. The remote work revolution is

1601
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: also transforming workers' relationships to the office. Cities like San

1602
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: Francisco have been the epicenter of that shift. Many workers

1603
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: were forced out of the office by the pandemic and

1604
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: then embraced remote or hybrid work for good. In doing so,

1605
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: they're attempting to reclaim autonomy over their days. They're attempting

1606
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: to eliminate commute time and gain choice in where they

1607
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: live since they are no longer tethered to an office

1608
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: that they have to get to five days per week.

1609
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: Housing markets across the country are being transformed by these

1610
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,440
Speaker 1: trends as workers decide decide to search for more affordable

1611
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: areas with a higher quality of life. But there are

1612
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: some brand new numbers about one more labor trend that

1613
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: we really haven't talked about much here, and that is

1614
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: called quiet quitting. Now, quiet quitting is when workers stand

1615
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: their jobs but kind of do the minimum of what

1616
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: is required. Here's how it was explained in one viral TikTok.

1617
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: I've recently learned about this term called quiet quitting, where

1618
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: you're not outright quitting your job, but you're quitting the

1619
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: idea of going above and beyond. You're still performing your duties,

1620
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: but you're no longer subscribing to the hustle culture mentality

1621
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: that work has to be your life. The reality is

1622
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: it's not, and your worth as a person is not

1623
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: defined by your labor. You are not your job. That

1624
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,520
Speaker 1: is the core ethos here. Quiet quitting is an emphatic

1625
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: rejection of the grindset or hustle mentality, and it's an

1626
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: emphatic rejection of the long standing puritan work ethic culture

1627
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: that has been a core part of American capitalist indoctrination

1628
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: since basically the Industrial Revolution. Now, the old story went

1629
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: like this, you work hard, you play by the rules,

1630
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: and you'll be able to achieve the American dream of

1631
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: middle class prosperity. That story, of course, was reliant on

1632
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: a social contract between workers, government, and corporations that said

1633
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 1: your productivity would be rewarded with stability and basic prosperity healthcare, education,

1634
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: a modest home, a yearly family vacation. Your loyalty to

1635
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: the company would be reciprocated so that you could depend

1636
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: on a predictable income if you've just put in the

1637
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: time and the work. Now, the pandemic put into sharp

1638
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: relief just how corporate bosses actually feel about their workers

1639
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: these days. They were happy to fire them or to

1640
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: risk their lives while calling them essential all in the

1641
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: name of profit. Many workers were forced out of their

1642
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: normal routine through layoffs or remote work, and in the

1643
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: process of having their lives turned upside down, they found

1644
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: a silver lining and the realization that they were in fact,

1645
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: so much more than their jobs, and that life, in

1646
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: fact was so much more than just work. So in

1647
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: addition to unionizing or quitting or embracing permanent remote work,

1648
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,480
Speaker 1: some workers decided they were going to change their orientation

1649
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: to their job by quiet quitting. So how real is

1650
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: this phenomenon Exactly? According to a new Gallup poll, it

1651
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: is real, and it's actually quite widespread. At least half

1652
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: of American workers are quiet quitting. In fact, only thirty

1653
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: two percent of workers say that they are engaged in

1654
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: their jobs. That number has been declining for two years now.

1655
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: At the same time, the percent who say they are

1656
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: actively disengaged has been taking up and now stands at

1657
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: eighteen percent. That leaves a broad swath in the middle

1658
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: who are sort of engaged in their jobs, many of whom, again,

1659
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: according to Gallup, are quiet quitting. Even more revealing, quite

1660
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: quitting is an extremely aged dependent phenomenon, So gen Z

1661
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: is very pro quiet quitting boomers and silent generations still

1662
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 1: by and large fully embrace the Protestant worth echic work

1663
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: ethic grindset. According to a new Yugov poll, forty five

1664
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: percent of Americans say they agree with the idea that

1665
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: their workers should only do the work they're paid for,

1666
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: no more, no lists less, as opposed to forty four

1667
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: percent who say they disagre agree with that sentiment. But

1668
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: when you dig into the cross tabs, it really gets interesting.

1669
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: So sixty five percent of workers under the age of

1670
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: thirty think that those workers should just do what they're

1671
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: paid for, as opposed to just twenty four percent who

1672
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: disagree with that sentiment. Now, among the oldest respondents, those

1673
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: who are sixty five plus, the numbers are almost exactly reversed.

1674
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Only twenty eight percent of boomers and older support the

1675
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: quiet quitting ethos, versus sixty five percent who disagree with

1676
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: the quiet quitting ethos. No other demographic divides on income

1677
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: or race or gender, We're nearly as significant here. If

1678
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 1: you are young, you are probably in support of quiet quitting,

1679
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: and if you are older, you are probably not in support.

1680
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: This all makes a lot of sense. Listen, gen Z,

1681
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: they have never lived in a world where there was

1682
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: anything approximating corporate loyalty to workers or that stable social contract.

1683
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,839
Speaker 1: The old American dream story has been a pack of lize. Honestly,

1684
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: for a long time, public corporations are loyal to their

1685
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: shareholders and duty bound by the new market ethos to

1686
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: screw their workers as much as they possibly can. The

1687
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: rise of private equity and offshoring has made the corporate

1688
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 1: landscape even more indifferent and even more cruel. The government

1689
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 1: has worked over time to speed offshoring and to dismantle

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Speaker 1: the stability previously available through pensions, affordable healthcare, and quality education,

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Speaker 1: to allow companies to shirk the responsibilities of employment by

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Speaker 1: classifying basically everyone as a contractor. The gig economy, of course,

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Speaker 1: encapsulates all of these trends, forcing on workers an uncertain,

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Speaker 1: precarious job that has none of the benefits of being

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Speaker 1: an employee or of being an owner, but has nonetheless

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Speaker 1: been sold as some kind of path to freedom. All

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Speaker 1: of this has been bubbling for a long time. The

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Speaker 1: pandemic just accelerated it and made it mainstream. So when

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Speaker 1: you put it all together, these massive widespread changes in

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Speaker 1: how Americans approach work are transformative, a sort of unofficial,

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Speaker 1: piecemeal general strike that will over time shape working conditions,

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Speaker 1: housing markets, the education system, family lives, and the very

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Speaker 1: mythology and values that we pass from generation to generating.

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Speaker 1: As bosses attempt to force workers back to the office,

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Speaker 1: bust unions and embrace dystopian surveillance tech to track their

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Speaker 1: remote workforce, the battle on the other side has already

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Speaker 1: clearly been joined. You see the generational pushback too, in

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Speaker 1: commentary from people like Bill Mahers, one example, who loves

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Speaker 1: to trash millennials and gen z over their purported lack

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Speaker 1: of work ethic. Did it ever occur to you Maybe

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01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: they're not lazy. Maybe they're actually just thinking clearly about

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Speaker 1: their life priorities and reacting to society as it currently exists.

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Speaker 1: But Bill Maher and the boss classes freak out aside,

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01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: these trends are too big to put back in the bottle.

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Speaker 1: You are not your job, and if you're not your job,

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01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: then maybe you're not also not the things that you buy.

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01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: And if you're not the things that you buy, well

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01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: that is a whole ass revolution. Personally, I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't surprised at the generational device and

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Joining

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01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: us now is staff writer for The Atlantic and host

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Speaker 1: of Plain English podcast, The One and Only Derek Thompson.

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01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Great to see Sar, Great to see you too. So

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01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: you wrote another great, really thought provoking piece. I was

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01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: telling you. Actually my mom sent it to me, so

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01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, it really broke through into the mainstream. Let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put it up on the screen. I

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01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: think this is maybe the most important topic that you

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01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: could possibly dig into. You say America is a rich

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01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: death trap. It's not just the pandemic for citizens of

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Speaker 1: a wealthy country. Americans of every age, at every income

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01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,879
Speaker 1: level are unusually likely to die from guns, drugs, cars,

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Speaker 1: and disease. Where did this data come from, Derek, And

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Speaker 1: what did you find? Yeah, this data came from new

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Speaker 1: government research on life expectancy in the US. And what

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Speaker 1: life expectancy basically does is it statistic? It synthesizes practically

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01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: everything you'd care about for a country. Our scientific advances

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01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: are drug overdoses, our habits, our culture or policies, and

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01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: basically says, if you imagine that someone lives in the

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01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty one over and over and over again,

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01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: exactly how long you expect them to survive. And what

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01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: this research found is that the number of years that

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01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: we're expected to survive is going down. That's not supposed

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01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: to happen in the richest country in the world. It's

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01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: not supposed to happen in the richest country in the

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01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: history of countries. Something really, really bad is happening here.

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Speaker 1: And what's so interesting is that it's not just the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: It's the fact that compared to other rich countries, the

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,799
Speaker 1: US is a much worse job of keeping people alive.

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01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: We drive more and are more likely to die in

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01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: our cars or more likely to die of drug overdoses.

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01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: We have more guns and are more likely to die

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01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: at the other end of a gun. There are so

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01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: many reasons why in this country it seems like we

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01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: are more likely to die at any particular age and

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Speaker 1: at any particular income level than residents of similarly rich country. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what really is such the horrific part

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01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: of it, which is that when you compare it to

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Speaker 1: other OECD nations, one of the things that we'll often

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Speaker 1: talk about and discuss. Here is healthcare, but is it like,

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01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: how much of it has to do with the basic

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Speaker 1: healthcare system, how much of it has to do with

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Speaker 1: intrinsic things that are just to the nature of America.

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Speaker 1: And then what are the areas which realistically we could

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Speaker 1: do something about. Well, unfortunately the answer to your question

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Speaker 1: is just yes. Across the answer is yes. Americans have

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Speaker 1: much higher rates of obesity, about twice the AVERG rate

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Speaker 1: of obesity is the average European country. That's clearly bad

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Speaker 1: for preventable diseases, for things like hypertension. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: we have less universal health care and less access to

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Speaker 1: primary care. The US has fewer primary care doctors per

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Speaker 1: capita than just about every country in Europe. And there's

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Speaker 1: some interesting and complicated reasons why that's the case. So

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01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I think it's best to say not just oh, the

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01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: US has these outcomes because of healthcare, or the US

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01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: has these outcomes because we're less healthy. I think it's

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01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: both both. Our habits are less healthy and our healthcare

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01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: is worse and less accessible. Let me play Devil's advocate here,

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01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: so I can imagine someone saying, yeah, but on the

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01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,480
Speaker 1: other side of this, you get freedom. And look, Americans

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01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: like to be able to drive places. We have a

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01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: car culture that's like part of our history, that's part

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01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: of our sort of whole thing as Americans. We've got

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Speaker 1: a healthcare system that fails in certain ways. Is hard

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Speaker 1: for me to put a spin on this win play

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Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate, but in certain areas is extraordinaries world class

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Speaker 1: is the best in the world. You know, we have

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Speaker 1: where we pay a price in a certain way for

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Speaker 1: our freedom. But these are values that are important to us.

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Speaker 1: And just how long you live is not the only

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Speaker 1: metric of living the good life. What would you say

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01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: back to that, Yeah, freedom isn't free. Sometimes it costs

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01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:42,799
Speaker 1: you five years of life. It's honestly, it's a worthwhile argument.

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Speaker 1: If you are going to give Americans a contract that

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Speaker 1: said here, based on our built environment, you're going to

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Speaker 1: drive twice as much as basically any other rich country.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be more likely to die on a

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Speaker 1: per mile driven basis the amount of time that you

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Speaker 1: spend sitting in your car, not to time that you

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01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: don't spend walking. Because the average American walks about half

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01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: the amount of the typical Japanese or Swiss person. The

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01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: out of time you spend sitting on your butt is

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01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,480
Speaker 1: going to add to an obesity epidemic or your likelihood

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01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: at becoming obese. So you put all of this together,

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01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: you get more open space, you get more lawns, you

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01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 1: get more time on your car, you get less time walking.

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Speaker 1: All of this cashes out in the likelihood that you're

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Speaker 1: going to die three to four to five years earlier

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Speaker 1: than the typical European. Do you accept that deal? I

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01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: believe in a certain amount of freedom. If Americans got

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01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: that contract and they said, yes, I'm going to sign

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01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: on the dotted line, then I'd say, look, that might

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01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: be their right to live in that way. What I

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01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: want to do in this piece, what I want to

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01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: do in a lot of my work, is make the

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Speaker 1: contract explicit. This is the world that we are choosing

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Speaker 1: to live in, a world with a built environment that

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01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: is less safe than similarly rich countries. And it cashes

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Speaker 1: out in Americans dying earlier and basically every single age

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Speaker 1: or having a higher likelihood of dying within the next year,

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Speaker 1: and basically every single age of their life. That I

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01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 1: think is an important thing for people to know as

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Speaker 1: long as they are going to live in that world. Yeah,

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01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, Frank, I would defend the carconsensus,

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01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: but I think we should be honest about what it is.

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Speaker 1: And so, Derek, what I'm interested in is some of

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Speaker 1: your core of your work for your newsletter. We'll have

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01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: a link in the description because I really encourage people

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01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: to read. It is about a quote unquote American abundance agenda.

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01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,799
Speaker 1: How does this fit into your broader project of wanting

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01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: to bring back some of the most innovative periods in

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01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: American history? Is this unparalleled in our history as to

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01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 1: how we've gotten out of different scrapes, and what are

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01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: some of the things we can draw from our past

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Speaker 1: in order to fix it. I think the way that

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01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: I would frame the abundance agenda is that right now

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01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: in the news media, there's a lot of talk about

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01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: culture wars, there's a lot of talk about words, a

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01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: lot of talk about symbolism, and I'm really interested in

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01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: substance and material well being. I want people to live

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Speaker 1: in houses they feel comfortable in. I want them to

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01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: have an abundance of energy. I want them to have

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01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 1: an abundance of income. I want them to feel like

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01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: they have an abundance of time to do that which

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01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: really is important to them, and I of course want

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Speaker 1: them to have an abundance of life. I think that

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01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: America is the richest country in the world, should have

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01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: citizens that live longer than countries in other parts of

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01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: the world, because what is more important than an abundance

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01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: of life. Yet, what I see in the economy is

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01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 1: one crisis of scarcity after another. We were told, for example,

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01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: during the pandemic that we shouldn't wear masks because there

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01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: weren't enough to go around. In the early part of

1855
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: the vaccines, we were told not to get boosters early

1856
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: because there weren't enough to go around. There was a

1857
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: baby shortage formula. There wasn't enough baby formula to go around.

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01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: There aren't enough houses to house people, There aren't enough

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01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: doctors to treat people. We live in a crisis of

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01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: a scarcity mindset, and we need policies of abundance to

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01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: create more of that which is really important to us.

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01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: More healthcare, more housing, more shelter, more life. That's a

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Speaker 1: really really important message, and it's really important, I think

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Speaker 1: for me to not just make that a kind of

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01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: you know, bumper sticker, but to make it a real

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01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 1: set of policies. And that's what I'm doing in my newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think that that scarcity mindset originates from?

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01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Who does that scarcity mindset benefits? It benefits sometimes those

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01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: who have and are greedy and don't want to share it.

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01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 1: People who have big houses and don't want apartments built

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01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: near them. That is greed. They don't want the value

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01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: of their house to go down in the short run,

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01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 1: and so they restrict building near their house. They are nimbi,

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01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: as you can call it. The American Medical Association purposefully

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01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: advocates for limiting the number of residency slots for doctors.

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01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: What does that do? It shrinks the number of total

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01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: doctors in America. What happens when you have an artificial

1878
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,799
Speaker 1: scarcity of doctors in America? It means fewer overall doctors

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01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: and also encourages doctors and are extremely debt burden into

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01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: medical system to become specialists rather than general practitioners, which

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01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: becaus there aren't as many primary care doctors in America,

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01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: and we see this in the OECD data. So I

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01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: think that greed is a huge part of this. I

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01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: think scarcity comes from this sense that the pie can't

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01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: grow because if it grows, somehow will lose outright. That

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01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: we speaking now as those with means, I think it's

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01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: really important for us to see beyond the horizon of

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01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: that scarcity mindset and see how abundance can really help

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Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah. Well, like I said, everybody, go subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Derek Selso got a great podcast. Put a link down

1891
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: there in the description highly recommended somebody that I genuinely

1892
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: must read. So thank you for joining us, sir, I

1893
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Great to see you, Derek. Absolutely, thank you

1894
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it. As

1895
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Speaker 1: a reminder, we got that discount going on Counterpoints Discount Friday.

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Speaker 1: It launches also same day as our live show, which

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Speaker 1: to be a great time for those who are going

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Speaker 1: to join us. As we said, we've literally been in discussion.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have some of the new dates that

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Speaker 1: are being announced piecemeal, and we'll sell out those dates.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be exciting looking at the calendar and

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Speaker 1: figuring out the cities on the road. Yeah, I miss it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it was one of the great

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Speaker 1: moments really right before the pandemic we got to meet

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Speaker 1: some of our fans. I still found it incredibly valuable

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Speaker 1: because there are things about the show that you don't

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Speaker 1: even think about, which mean a lot to other people.

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Speaker 1: And every once in a whileing you meet somebody and

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Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I didn't know that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: said something like offhand, and like that meant so much

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Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, wow, yeah, well, really, revel tory

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Speaker 1: ones are when the people say the same thing over

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Speaker 1: and over again. Yes, that didn't even occur to you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I love that. Yeah, so absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I remember even something small like when we were back

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Speaker 1: at Rising, we'd say like, so, what's on your radar?

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Speaker 1: I didn't even really think of that as like a catchphrase,

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Speaker 1: and then people were so into it. People indeed, we

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Speaker 1: do T shirts. I'm like, really, you do, listen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll look into it. I'd be happy to a T

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Speaker 1: shirts business when you want to do it right is

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Speaker 1: kind of rough, Yeah, it is rough in terms of

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Speaker 1: the margins. That being said, we will have T shirts

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Speaker 1: for sale, but please don't kill me. Just to be clear,

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Speaker 1: to make something made in America and union made in

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Speaker 1: this country is astronomically hard and astronomically expensive, so don't

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Speaker 1: get mad about the price. It's not us that are

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Speaker 1: setting it in terms of the lab but we're happy

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Speaker 1: to do it obviously because we don't believe. We believe

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Speaker 1: in making it there and not making it in China.

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Speaker 1: I'm selling it to you for twenty five dollars and

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Speaker 1: paying only six because frankly, that is the way people

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Speaker 1: make actual money in this business. But again, the most

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Speaker 1: efficient and best way or support us really is to

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Speaker 1: just become a previous subscriber. So the link is down

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Speaker 1: there in the description. Thank you all to so much.

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Speaker 1: We got the promo going on. Don't forget ten percent

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Speaker 1: off until October October sixth October, so you got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of time, but eight days I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to math. Yeah, and we had a lot of people

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Speaker 1: already take advantage of this. We do, so thank you

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Speaker 1: to those of you who did. It means a lot

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Speaker 1: to us to get those annual memberships in just helps

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Speaker 1: us be able to plan to expand build. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're still in the hiring process, we got a lot

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Speaker 1: of great, incredible, very qualified people to evaluate and try

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Speaker 1: to figure out who's going to be the best fit

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Speaker 1: for the show. So anyway, we love you guys, have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. We'll see you back here next week.

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Speaker 1: See you next week.