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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, July twenty fourth, and

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Speaker 2: we have a stack night a headlines and as you know,

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Speaker 3: By the way, it's Thursday. Even better, there's been.

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Speaker 2: So much time in there's been so much press today

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Speaker 2: and documents being dropped because of this, you know, Brian

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Speaker 2: that Delane Maxwell, the co conspirator in this whole Epstein

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Speaker 2: And look, we know you have an opinion on this

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Speaker 2: stuff because, for example, this Epstein thing is like a

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Speaker 2: reality show, so who better to kind of roll up

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Speaker 4: So I should have brought my friend on from the

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Speaker 4: Mole and it could have been the snake in the mole.

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Speaker 3: But how my.

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Speaker 5: Word, it's like a Chinese astrology calendar.

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Speaker 3: That is it is right.

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Speaker 2: So welcome, welcome, welcome. So look, yeah, Thursday, it's been

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Speaker 2: a long week. Body and I are kind of fighting

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Speaker 2: through some sort of something. So we're excited to have

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Speaker 2: you know, another opinion. Listen, that's also veto and hello.

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Speaker 2: So all dogs are welcome here in the studio. By

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Speaker 2: the way, So where should we begin with this Epstein thing? Courtney,

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Speaker 2: do you want to start us off.

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Speaker 3: Or body take it away? Actually bring it.

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Speaker 4: So today we just talkedst. Glaine Maxwell met with top

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Speaker 4: officials at Department of Justice, reportedly in hopes of like

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Speaker 4: obtaining information about potential criminal activity by associates of her

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Speaker 4: late confidant and partner, Jeffrey Epstein. Glaine Maxwell again is

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Speaker 4: convicted of trafficking charges in twenty twenty one and relating

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Speaker 4: to her activities as a madam right, she was kind

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Speaker 4: of like Epstein's confidant, right hand man, madam. You know,

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Speaker 4: he was the billionaire financer that was convicted of child crimes.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say it. It kind of grosses me

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Speaker 3: out though. When they weren't all.

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Speaker 2: There were so many, you know, regular aged women and

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Speaker 4: Well, Glaine Maxwell apparently she recruited some of these girls, right,

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Speaker 4: including miners, which were trying to come up with some

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So she met with the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche,

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Speaker 4: That's where she's being incarcerated in Tallahassee. Blanche declined to

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Speaker 4: It's unclear whether Maxwell is trying to get this meeting

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Speaker 3: I don't think she's looking for more of jail time. Oh,

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Speaker 2: And also, just to make sure I'm playing along correctly,

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Speaker 2: There's really nothing to see here. He did commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: dying to hear more. But if Pam Bondy said, hey, Trump,

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Speaker 2: you're in some of these files, that doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 2: on a client list. By the way, there's probably many

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: So the thing is she's definitely going to be looking

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Speaker 6: for a pardon, I think, no matter what. But then

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Speaker 6: that isn't that some kind of conflict of interest? Because

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Speaker 6: I'm asking you to give me a get out of

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Speaker 6: And then with the part and hold up, it's like,

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Speaker 6: definitely like, Okay, sure you're going to get a pardon.

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Speaker 6: There's no way you're going to give up the goods.

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Speaker 4: Well, she is appealing her conviction to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 4: arguing she is immune for prosecution through the two thousand

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Speaker 3: Not be prosecuted.

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Speaker 5: But she has no legal she has no legal leg

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Speaker 5: I think we had we did a great Jarret Farentino

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Speaker 5: a state matter in Florida, and through that Epstein's cohorts

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Speaker 3: This is a federal case, so there's nothing to your.

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Speaker 4: Point, though the Supreme Court doesn't hear every case and

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? And I guess I'm not connecting

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Speaker 2: And you know, basically Epstein was brought up on charges

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Speaker 3: And now here we are now, many.

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Speaker 2: Years later, it's very u there's up for a lot

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Speaker 2: of conversation whether it was a suicide or not. Many

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Speaker 2: forensics experts, including our very own has come on to

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Speaker 2: say it just doesn't add up. It was definitely murder

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Speaker 2: and not a suicide. What does that mean? And now

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Speaker 2: it just seems like it's escalating on all sides, right,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what the end result is. I

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Speaker 2: just seems a little scary. And you know, how else

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Speaker 2: does this affect us in ways that we don't know?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: It's scary because like, who is held accountable, right, Like

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Speaker 4: If you tell.

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Speaker 3: Us, oh, I feel like I'm talking and code.

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Speaker 4: You know, like Obama's on the list, and you tell

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Speaker 4: us you know all of basically all my enemies. Right,

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Speaker 4: if you can tell me all my enemies are your

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Speaker 6: What you were sinuating earlier was that that Epstein essentially

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Speaker 6: I'll talk, but then you have to make sure everyone

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Speaker 6: in my camp is clean. Was he like, you're going

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Speaker 6: to put it all on himself potentially or protect his people?

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Speaker 6: So is that what's being appealed by the Supreme Court? Then?

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Speaker 6: Is that what she's going back like, Hey, what happened

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Speaker 7: Are?

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Speaker 6: And I okay? Because he took it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, while we're at it, we're also

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Speaker 2: it seems like there is no client list and this

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Speaker 2: no sex trafficking ring? Why am I buying Mars? I

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Speaker 2: can see that train of thought. It's because she's a

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Speaker 2: seems very messy. I don't know if anybody does, please

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Speaker 2: to one crime.

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Speaker 3: Certainly, I'm not the arbiter of any of.

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Speaker 2: These things, but I know people have an opinion about it,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like very big people are involved at

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Speaker 5: Well, people are joining the conversation because we actually have

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Speaker 5: a talkback right now that pertains to this.

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of people say grooming because it's

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Speaker 8: quick and easy to say, it sounds snappy, and it

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Speaker 8: gets the point across. With coercive malignant control, it's a

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Speaker 8: little harder to say, let's call it CMC or I

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Speaker 8: love it, another little short way to phrase it. So

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Speaker 8: it's maybe easier to get the moniker out there and

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Speaker 2: That's a really great suggestion, I do. I just feel

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Speaker 2: like if we abbreviate the word.

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Speaker 4: When we're talking about grooming, we were kind of talking

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Speaker 4: about how it applies both to adults and children, and

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Speaker 4: I had kind of like raised my hair up a

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't apply to adults. Adults are able to make decisions.

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Speaker 4: Adults aren't vulnerable, like unless they are vulnerable, unless you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my point. I'm like, well, there's plenty

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Speaker 3: of vulnerable adults wondering and.

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Speaker 4: I'm not lie and I'm not talking about vulnerable adults.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about like me. I'm able to make up

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Speaker 4: and everything that I do is my responsibility.

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Speaker 3: Legally competent, legal, get accountable as a result. That's a

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Speaker 4: So we kind of I feel grooming should be reserved

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Speaker 2: And look, we have a special guest the Powerhouse, Sally

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Speaker 3: What? What did I do?

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Speaker 2: It just seems like there was a real optical moment there.

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Speaker 5: and absolutely not paramount to who was there, who could

442
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Speaker 5: potentially feel like they could actually physically and emotionally handle

443
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 5: being there is what I think decided who was there

444
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Speaker 5: or not?

445
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Speaker 3: Right, You're listening to True Current Tonight online Heart Radio.

446
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: I'm Body Moven and we are right in the middle

447
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 4: of talking about Brian Coberger and all the documents that

448
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 4: have been released by the Moscow Police Department, and we

449
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 4: have a talkback.

450
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Speaker 3: Can we hear the talkback? Number three?

451
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Speaker 9: I know that authorities are still so adamant and reporting

452
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 9: that this was a targeted attack by BK on the

453
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 9: for college students. I'm just curious with the gag order

454
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 9: that has been lifted and since the sentencing, has there

455
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 9: been any new information as to why they are so

456
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 9: adamant it was targeted and who the target truly was.

457
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 9: I know they have ideas and speculations, but has there

458
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 9: been any new information that's come out recently?

459
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: Sadly no now.

460
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: So I've gone through every single document and them SILF

461
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 4: cataloging everyone like in enough spreadsheet and keywords and what

462
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 4: they're about and everything, but there is no information about

463
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 4: any kind of connection who he was targeting. Nothing, but

464
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 4: I will say there is after the murders happened, there

465
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: were calls to the Moscow Police Department about creepers that

466
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 4: had been in the area. And it appears that one

467
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 4: of the creepers Kaylee actually talked about. Yeah, and it

468
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: was about a month or so before the murders, and

469
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 4: you know, in Kaylee's way, you know, she would often

470
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 4: make light of things and kind of joke about, you know,

471
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 4: really really important things to kind of alleviate tension and whatnot.

472
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: And I can completely relate to that. And she had

473
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 4: said that there were she saw a man in the

474
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: tree line area, and if you know anything about the property,

475
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: that is the area that Brian Coberger had parked that night,

476
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: and so she had saw somebody back there kind of

477
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 4: creeping around and a lot of people are speculating that

478
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 4: it was Hymn Scope and and everything out prior prior

479
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 4: to the murders. Additionally, the documents don't give us any

480
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 4: indication about a connection. There's no social media following, there's

481
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: no social media messages. There's nothing connecting Brian Coberger to

482
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: these murders or to these girls, I should say.

483
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: And that's been widely debated. So over the years, we've

484
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: all talked about this frankly to nauseum. Right, So the

485
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: indicators were always that, you know, Madison Mogan worked with

486
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: Xana Kernodle at this vegan restaurant in town, and we

487
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: know that Brian Coburger was a vegan, and this would

488
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: have been someplace that maybe he would have casually stopped

489
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: by or seen them from a distance. There were also

490
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: really early reports that maybe one of them had or

491
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: maybe he reached out to one of them on social

492
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: media and then kind of got shut down. Chances are

493
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: they were all very sweet and lovely by all accounts,

494
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: so maybe like they were like things but no things,

495
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: or like let him down easy or politely. And remember

496
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: all reports kind of point to the fact that he

497
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: really didn't like women and had a hard time sort

498
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: of interacting with women. So the fact that there was

499
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: no connection and that had been a misreported upon for

500
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: a really long time, I think.

501
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: That makes it even scarier.

502
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: He's just picking somebody that he either could never have

503
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: scarier or is just you know, identifying from afar. So

504
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, where do we put that?

505
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 6: That's the thing, But that's the thing that you ever

506
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 6: going to know. And I think like you have to

507
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 6: come to terms with the fact if you're the families

508
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 6: of the victims, that you're never going to know. And

509
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 6: that's something that I worry about.

510
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, well keep worrying, because we're going to keep talking

511
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: about it. Stay right here at True Crime Tonight, where

512
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: we're talking true crime all the time. Up next, we're

513
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: going to continue this conversation. We're going to keep it

514
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: moving and give us a call at eighty to eight

515
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 4: thirty one Crime.

516
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, listen.

517
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: Sallyan is one of those people who, like us, talks

518
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 2: about this all day and in the spirit of us

519
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: having a.

520
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 3: Propper coffee clutch, if you will.

521
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: Certainly at a time where there's so much information in

522
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: the press about this coburger case, for example, she is

523
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: jumping in and joining the conversation.

524
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 6: So I'm obsessed. I literally can't stop thinking about him

525
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 6: in so many ways, and it makes me so mad

526
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 6: because I know that's what he wants. He wants us

527
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 6: all thinking about him and talking about him. And I

528
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 6: think the families did such a good job of shutting

529
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 6: that down and just making sure like we're done with you,

530
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 6: it's over now go rot kind of a thing. But

531
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 6: the rest of us, on the other hand, we're still

532
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 6: giving it live.

533
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: We need to take we need.

534
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 4: To take heed from the families, right, we need to

535
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 4: a lock step in them.

536
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, and even the judge as well. So yesterday was

537
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 5: the sentencing hearing as well as the unbelievably impactful victims

538
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 5: impact statements. And this is regarding the Idaho College murder

539
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 5: case and the now convicted murderer Brian Coberger, who we

540
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: will try to refer to as BKA out of respect.

541
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 5: Even the judge said, you're fifteen minutes of fame should

542
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 5: be up. But more details are coming out. So a

543
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: lot of stuff that would have come out if there

544
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 5: were a trial, which now there's not because BK pled

545
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 5: out to take the death penalty. He off the table

546
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: for himself and pled guilty to four counts of murder

547
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: for fatally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xanakernodle, and Ethan Schapin.

548
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 5: This happened in their off campus house back in November

549
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty two.

550
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: Horribly brutal. Well.

551
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 5: Just now documents are beginning to be released. More than

552
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 5: three hundred documents have come out and this is by

553
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: the Moscow Police Department. There are grizzly details about the murders.

554
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 5: These are all police reports and the exhaustive investigation that

555
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 5: led to BK's being arrested.

556
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 3: We're going to go into real detail on Sunday.

557
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 5: We're going to have our forensic expert, jose of Scott

558
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 5: Morgan with us, So we're going to take a bit

559
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 5: of time to systematically and methodically go through before we report.

560
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 5: But there are some broad strokes that I know we

561
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 5: want to talk about. And Sally Anne, I think you

562
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 5: you had a question.

563
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 6: Oh God, I don't, but I will ask for right now.

564
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 6: My question is who gags the bills? Is that what

565
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 6: you're saying?

566
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, like pay fu to check on this.

567
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 6: It doesn't even make sense to me. And he's waited

568
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 6: how many years to do this, just burning through the

569
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 6: state and the city's money. In the meantime, these families,

570
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 6: in order to keep their child's dignity, memory and support,

571
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 6: have given up so much of their jobs and whatever

572
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 6: and their life to pay for it and to represent

573
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 6: themselves as it bury their children for God's sake, and

574
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 6: they've had to put that bill and then who's paying

575
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 6: for this? Yahoo?

576
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: Well, part of his sentencing is that such an each

577
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: each murderer had a fine and and on top of

578
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 4: that there's restitution in some and that goes to the family. However,

579
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: he doesn't have any money, right.

580
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: He doesn't have any money. Fifty dollars per person? Right?

581
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: Is that rest It was like forty with the burglary

582
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: charge and what seems like.

583
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: It? Of course it doesn't, but it was actually offensive.

584
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: And who has to pay that?

585
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: His parents who also.

586
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: Been that law allows. I mean, the judge can only

587
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: do so much. You know, he can't bend the law. Right,

588
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 4: that's the law.

589
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: You know, they can change the law. Of course it doesn't. Yeah,

590
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: of course it doesn't.

591
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: But Brian Koberger, I'm sure he's going to be approached

592
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: by a lot of different kind of agents and producers

593
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: and all kinds of people, and all that money will

594
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: go to the family.

595
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: M Yeah, right, you hope he does it. I mean,

596
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 6: we're all, you know, nutty about it, and we'll all

597
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 6: be tuning in. But at the end, like if it does,

598
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 6: get the money to the families or whatever, it does,

599
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 6: and he spends his life just earning people out that's fine.

600
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 6: It's not going to bring their children back, but they've

601
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 6: lost so much trying to support I'm sure.

602
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: Well, Steve Gonsalves, he's the father of Kaylee Gunsolves, and

603
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 4: he is going one of his goals as his family's

604
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 4: you know, charging document, let's say of their goal is

605
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: to get like say, you know, like women are kind

606
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: of like loving on him a little bit. If any

607
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: it's gross, but it's so gross if any women put

608
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: money on his books so that he can go to

609
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 4: the commissary and by like top ramen and burritos, that

610
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: money will.

611
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: Get confiscated and go to them. And I hope they

612
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: get it done. Court go ahead, because this is your

613
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: favorite topic. Well, I was gonna ask first it was

614
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: that a law?

615
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: What is No, they're working there were he had he

616
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: was doing an interview months ago and he said, they're

617
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: they're working on a bill to propose to the Idaho legislature.

618
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: Because that is just it's not just Brian Coberger, it

619
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Speaker 4: would be any murder of murderer that.

620
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Speaker 11: Yeah, there are people called bride brides. The people who

621
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 11: are Brian Brian Coburger, BK super fans, women that are

622
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 11: throwing themselves at him and writing him behind bars, giving

623
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Speaker 11: him attention, sending their hard earned money to him in

624
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 11: hopes of helping him in some demented way. So that's

625
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 11: what they're talking about, putting a complete stop, to which

626
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 11: I completely agree.

627
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

628
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: It's really it's been a defined and we we've spoken

629
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: with this. Stephanie and I have spoken with mental health

630
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 5: experts on abristophilia, which is a diagnosed condition of very

631
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: very largely women, almost exclusively women, who developed these romantic

632
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 5: relationships with incarcerated men.

633
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: And it's real and you see it every case, you

634
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: see it in every Listen.

635
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: B K is not special. BK is not special, right,

636
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: I think.

637
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 6: But it's been from the end of time. I mean,

638
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 6: you have a guy, was his name, Jeremy He wound

639
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 6: up getting the modeling contract Jeremy me. Yeah, And then

640
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 6: that was recent And what about Lacy was it Scott Peters?

641
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: Scott Peterson?

642
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 6: He was like, you know, he was like you would

643
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 6: have thought he was Brad Pittsford, I know, And it

644
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 6: was like, wait a minute, what's going on.

645
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: Wilson behind bars?

646
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: You know, you know, Luigi behind bars, you know, kill

647
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: somebody in broad daylight or in the early evening hours.

648
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: You know, straight up it's on camera, and you know

649
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: there's like hot boy lookalike contests throughout the country.

650
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it, but it's you know.

651
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: Wade Wilson strangled to women to death. He's on death row,

652
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: and there are YouTube channels that are dedicated just to

653
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: covering all the phone calls that he gets from different women.

654
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: What yeah, oh yeah, why do I feel compelled to

655
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: let I mean, listen, I don't know why.

656
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't judge literally on my computer for the first time.

657
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 6: I know, I'm like, I don't have a lot of

658
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 6: self esteem, but like, god.

659
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: Well listen, we know we got some scoop on this

660
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: because Courtney and I really went down the rabbit hole

661
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Speaker 2: on this for like, probably for too long at some point,

662
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: and it did seem like these like men behind bars.

663
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: By the way, these are like not unattractive loser women

664
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: in some cases either they are they have functioning jobs.

665
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: Some of them are the attorneys attorneys And by the way,

666
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: it's not just women, but it's mostly women.

667
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: I got a lot of hate mail about Luca from

668
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: men that we're into him. Yes, Luca from don't have Cats.

669
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a lot of hate mail from men

670
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: who were in love with Luca.

671
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: So what do we make of that?

672
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: We always were told, you know, from from the therapists

673
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: that we spoke to that either you know, listen, it's

674
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: a trauma response in many cases, because you know there's

675
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: something very safe about that dynamic when your husband or

676
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: partner is certainly not coming home with you anytime soon,

677
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: and or it's a control thing because you know he's

678
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: not going to step out on you, or you know,

679
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: beat you senseless because he's trapped in a cage.

680
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: Or what do you think? I don't know, I don't know.

681
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: Can't you listen?

682
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 5: If you if you have a thought on Hypristophelia, you

683
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: let us know what you think.

684
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 3: We're at eight at eight three one Crime.

685
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: Courtney Armstrong here with Body Move and Stephanie Leidecker and

686
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: we are so thrilled and happy to have Mega TV

687
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 5: producer and true crime official Sally and Salsano and we

688
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 5: are going to go to a talk back.

689
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 7: Well, ladies, this is Kim and my question about the

690
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 7: Brian Cobooker cave is do we one percent know that

691
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 7: they do not have the knife? Because we had a

692
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 7: gaggle on them for so long.

693
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: Yes, we do know they do not have the knife.

694
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 4: They've shot, they were they were asked directly at the

695
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: press conference afterward, and no, they do not have the knife.

696
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: And there has been no mention of the knife recovery

697
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: in the police documents that have been released thus far.

698
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: But they specifically said they didn't have the knife and

699
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: they didn't have any of the clothing that he was

700
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 4: wearing the knight. So, I mean, unless they're lying to us,

701
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: but I can't imagine. But yeah, that's they've told us

702
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: straight up that they don't have it.

703
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 6: I don't know. Why do I feel like he brought

704
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 6: it home with it? Like I don't, No, I mean

705
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 6: I know it's nothing.

706
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: You're onto somebody, No, you're onto something because on the

707
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: murders happened on November thirteenth. Okay, on November fifteenth, he

708
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: searched on Amazon for a sheath. Okay, Now, if he

709
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 4: was searching for just a sheath, why if he didn't

710
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: have a knife to put into it?

711
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, go there.

712
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: Okay, back to this original game of like choose your

713
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: own adventure happy endings that we were talking about last time.

714
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: In the last segment, what if he knew what he

715
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: did with the knife which was thrown in a body

716
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: of water or bury it certainly possible, and knew that

717
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: at least it was never going to be found. He

718
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: knew where it was, and maybe he was hunting for

719
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: this new sheath because he was going to somehow get

720
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: it back.

721
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: You know.

722
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 4: In one of the documents that has been released by

723
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: the Moscow Police Department, there's all these tips that came in,

724
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: and one of the tips is that there was a

725
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: woman on the thirteenth who saw a man who she

726
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: says was Brian Cooberger down by the river that day

727
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: mm hmm. And she looked right at him, and he

728
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: looked right at her, and then he kind of looked

729
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: down and she was driving away. But she when Brian

730
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: Coberg got arrested six weeks later, she was like, that

731
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: was the guy I saw down at the river in

732
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 4: Clarksville where that Albertson's.

733
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: Is, didn't Prosecutor Built Thompson kind of maybe indicate that

734
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 5: he thought, body, can you refresh the details?

735
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

736
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: He said that when during the plea hearing, right and

737
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: Bill Thompson was giving a recount of what happened that

738
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: night into the morning. He had mentioned and again this

739
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: is the probable cause. Avidavid too, he had mentioned that

740
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger drove south down through Clarksville, Washington and then

741
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: back up to Pullman and that there is a large

742
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: body of water down there. He didn't say that that

743
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 4: that's where the knife is or anything like that, but

744
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: he definitely implied that, yeah.

745
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: With he drove past a large party of water.

746
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 5: But bottom line, thank you for the talkback, and no,

747
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 5: they do not have the knife as far as knowledge.

748
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Is available, Sally, we know you have an opinion about

749
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: all of this.

750
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 6: I can't I can't take it. I'm like busting at

751
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 6: the scenes. I Am both want to stop talking about

752
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 6: Brian Coburger and I'm afraid to go sleep at night

753
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 6: that I'm going to lose time talking about Brian Colberger.

754
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 6: Like I'm really torn as a human. But the answers

755
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 6: that I have are like I would I would pay,

756
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: Like I just want to do the interview right, like

757
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 6: you just want to ask all the questions, and I

758
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 6: mean just charge per question, like let America just ask

759
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 6: the questions. What every single person's question is answered? Stop

760
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 6: And every time he answers the question pay the family,

761
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 6: Like just let all of us that just everybody wants

762
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 6: to know something different and let us all have a shot.

763
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: It's actually really bad call. Actually I see a pay

764
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: per view special in the future. Yeah, we actually have

765
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 2: a talk back right now.

766
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: Hi, true crime tonight.

767
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 12: I adore all three of you, and I've been really

768
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 12: enjoying listening to you talk about b KA and everything

769
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 12: with that case. And I just want to say, do

770
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 12: not underscore what you are saying and what you are

771
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 12: feeling with apologies. We do not need to hear that

772
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 12: you're sorry for feeling your strong emotions. You are correct,

773
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 12: and you are valid.

774
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: I need so nice. Now we're going to start crying again.

775
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: We all were like beating ourselves up in the commercials

776
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: of like, Hi.

777
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: We got to really pull it together. I really needed

778
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: to hear that.

779
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were even talking about it this morning, like

780
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: it was sort of like hush, it's not bad of it,

781
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: Like it's not you know, but you can only imagine

782
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: how the families must be feeling.

783
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: Right, and here we are like boohooing. But look at

784
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: the families, how strong they were in court yesterday. And

785
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: here we are boohooing, like it was just we just

786
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: felt silly, you know.

787
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 6: And well, I feel like everyone been grieving alongside with them,

788
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 6: and I don't think like a human sitting on their

789
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 6: couch listening to those families and putting themselves in their shoes.

790
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 6: I think there were tears everywhere yesterday. I do it

791
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 6: was a little bit of a sigh of relief too, right,

792
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 6: like one more loon off the street. But also it's

793
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 6: kind of like put this to bed, like my heart

794
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 6: broke for those families, like standing there, I'm like, oh

795
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 6: my god, think about how many nights in a weird

796
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 6: hotel dealing with the grief, and it was just like

797
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 6: everything about the process, like putting yourself in those shoes.

798
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 6: It's terrible.

799
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: Yes, And the friends of the victims had to leave

800
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: Sorority Row because their bedrooms looked over the house, you know,

801
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: for months and months and months. They had to gold

802
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: stay in hotels and strange people's apartments, and I mean

803
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: just everybody's life has been shattered. B K is a

804
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: family annihilator, and he is the Boogeyman, and he is

805
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: going to be in prison for the rest of his life,

806
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 4: God willing, so what's the takeaway, because I think there's

807
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: two big things that I took away from just working

808
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: on this case with you guys, to nauseum and really

809
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: just sort of getting a little probably too close to

810
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 4: certain things.

811
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: It has been social media, right, Like, this is not

812
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: a soapbox about social media. I am on it and

813
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: all the things, and you know, enjoy it as much

814
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: as everybody, but windows, license plates, home addresses while you're

815
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: on vacation, not posting, you know, things that are just

816
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: sort of like how to keep yourself safe in the world.

817
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: This just became kind of the example of like we

818
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: don't gone are the days that we can show the

819
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: fun party in our house that we're having with friends

820
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: in the backyard, because that also might be a blueprint

821
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: in some ways.

822
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: If there's a weirdo out there.

823
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: Lurking in the woods with no connection, just fixating on

824
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: some stranger he knows or sees, that's really tough, you know,

825
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: and it kind of I think it makes us all

826
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: a little mad because we want to be able to

827
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: open our windows at the air in and guys like

828
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: this make it impossible.

829
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, that's a good one.

830
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: So we are talking all things Brian Coburger, the recent

831
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: dump of all these files and investigative details that we

832
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: really haven't had until yesterday. If you haven't been playing along, BK,

833
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: this monster has now been sentenced and sent away to

834
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: prison for life four terms, and we'll never see the

835
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: light of day except for maybe one hour or so

836
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: in this very lousy prison that he'll hopefully be very

837
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: alone in.

838
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: But listen, one of the only.

839
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: Positive things is that we're hearing some of the pieces

840
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: of evidence, and maybe we didn't know before because obviously

841
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: we would.

842
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: Have heard that at the trial.

843
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: So we have talkback because we want to hear from you.

844
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: Let's go to our first one.

845
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 12: Looking back at history, you can see laws and scholarships

846
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 12: started in the names of those whose lives have been taken.

847
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: What can the family members.

848
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 8: Of the Idaho massacre, beautiful children? What could they do

849
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 8: to try to make the world a better place with

850
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 8: the horrible circumstances that they've found themselves in great.

851
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: Such a good question, it's a beautiful question, and many

852
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: of the families do, in fact have foundations in their

853
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 5: children's the victims' names, And just to say them one

854
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 5: more time, Xana kernodle Ethan Shapin, Kaylee Gonsalvez, and Madison

855
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: Mogan and that is already happening in these families are

856
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 5: putting their unbelievable, unimaginable grief already into good into the world.

857
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we should put those again. I think they

858
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: already are, but just to do a double check. Also

859
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: on our website, you could go to the True Crime

860
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: Tonight Show website or even on the Kate Studios social

861
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: media pages and we'll post those theres as well. We don't,

862
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, control it, but we're making donations ourselves. So

863
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: is that something that you want to participate in?

864
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like, how do you how do.

865
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: You make something slightly better out of something so hideous?

866
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 6: I think the well, think about like off topic, but

867
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 6: think about Amber Alert, right, like, think about the horrible

868
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 6: thing that happened to that young girl and that mother

869
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 6: not only started something in her name, but almost started

870
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 6: a movement. And all of us now as we're driving,

871
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 6: you're getting that you know, you that sound when it

872
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 6: comes and when you walk, you know you hear that sound.

873
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 6: It's really something else, Like you look down at your

874
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 6: phone and you can participate and it's funny like I

875
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 6: always knew what it was, and I always knew the story.

876
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 6: And I recently watched the doc on Peacock about Amber Alert,

877
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 6: and like, in watching that, it was amazing because you

878
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 6: truly saw, like the story that I think no one

879
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 6: really knew about this family and how you can capture someone.

880
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 6: And I will tell you after watching that, I always

881
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 6: paid attention, but now I feel like it's actually my

882
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 6: duty as a person when you get it, like you

883
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 6: are negligent if you don't drop what you're doing, look

884
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 6: on the road and try and help. You don't know,

885
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 6: imagine if that was your loved one, your family member.

886
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 6: You look. So it's like, I'm sure they need a second.

887
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 6: But right now I think while America is on their

888
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 6: side and it's top of mind until the next crazy

889
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 6: thing happens. I hope this family really does, you know,

890
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 6: get some money just to but the time they are

891
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 6: clear had it enough to think about what they want

892
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: to do. They have enough money to really change the

893
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 6: world in their children's name. So it's not all just

894
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 6: for nothing. You know, they can try and focus that

895
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 6: negative energy towards something.

896
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: Because look, even in that case, they do have these

897
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: foundations and they were really big thinkers, All four of

898
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: these victims were like heading to really big lives. It's

899
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: funny you mentioned that about d Amber alert. You're one

900
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: hundred percent right in that their success rate. I haven't

901
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: seen the Peacock doc yet, but I will. I've actually

902
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: been to Sacramento where they actually pushed the button to

903
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: actually signal the alert, and it's really an interesting experience

904
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: in the criteria and sort of what goes into actually

905
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: issuing the alert, and it's soaptisticated stuff and it has

906
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: a crazy success rate.

907
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: The stories are pretty endless.

908
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: Like we were told a story about, you know, suddenly

909
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: a beep beep comes on the television and it was

910
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: like a white van and sure enough, this man just

911
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: happened to be watching the TV. White van goes by

912
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: in it little boys tied up and it was because

913
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: of this, you know, one thing that came out of

914
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: something so so tragic.

915
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 6: It is, but it was truly a movement and like

916
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 6: that little you know, and that was done by a mom,

917
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 6: a mom that was scarred and her heart was ripped

918
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 6: out of her chest. She was able to overcome and

919
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 6: now help other people because you're like, what can I do?

920
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 6: How can I prevent this? And you know what, she's

921
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 6: found a way. And that's what I would say. There's

922
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 6: that moms strength and that parent, that parent, that family

923
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 6: lust that you get in there and the next thing

924
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 6: you know you can save, you know more lies your

925
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 6: own expense.

926
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, from my understanding, Ethan's family, the Chapin's Ethan Smile,

927
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: they have already sent ten kids to college. Like it's already, Wow,

928
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: it's already happening. The Amazon documentary had that is that

929
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: amazing or what was its incredible?

930
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: You know?

931
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: And also you know, listen, it's not the time to

932
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: feel like you have to suddenly be managing stuff because

933
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: it's not easy. And you know, if I'm not mistaken,

934
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: Even the Gonzalvez family that's Kaylee victim, Klee Gonzalveez's father,

935
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: they had to go fund me because many of them

936
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: had to travel for this trial, right, so they were

937
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: taking off work and with this impending August trial, so

938
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: they had all started gofundmes.

939
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: And they sent all the money back. You know how

940
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: much work that takes to do?

941
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, while while fighting for answers in the deaths

942
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: of those who love the most.

943
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: It's really it's really a testament to humanity.

944
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: I guess that's what this whole thing has been, just

945
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: this horrible, horrible case. But really, you know, you look

946
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: at the victim statements, the families. Obviously we talked about

947
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: this yesterday. It's a slice into humanity that is maybe

948
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: what we all need to see, because those victims, families

949
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: and the survivors of this crime are are really the.

950
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: Next level of grace. Grace.

951
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: Your listenings True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy Movin

952
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 4: and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong, Stephanie Leidecker, and we're

953
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: joined by TV producer Sally and Salsano. If you'd like

954
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 4: to give us a call, please call one eight eight

955
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: eight thirty one crime or use the iHeart app and

956
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: leave us a talk back, and we have one right now.

957
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 13: I just want to say that when I was watching

958
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 13: the sentencing today, if you look when Maddy's stepdad is

959
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 13: talking about how she is, that is the only time

960
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 13: that Buqua like looks engaged, and he looks almost interested.

961
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 13: He almost nods like in listener's sympathy for her stepdad's speech,

962
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 13: and like he catches himself. If you watch really closely,

963
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 13: that that's just the only time that he doesn't look

964
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 13: so detached, and I just think that he was obsessed

965
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 13: with Maddie.

966
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: That's a really good observation.

967
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: And I think there was another moment when Olivia Gounsovus

968
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 4: was speaking that he looked uncomfortable and when Zanna's sister

969
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 4: was speaking, And I think it's because Xana's sister looks

970
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: so much like Xanna Jasmine Pronodle. But it's from for

971
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: our talkbacks point, She's correct, he does not. And I

972
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 4: absolutely noticed that, but I didn't know why he was nodding,

973
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 4: But I didn't think, like, oh, maybe it's because he

974
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: really thought Maddie was, you know, everything the apple of

975
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 4: the eye, you know, like it's such a good point.

976
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: I got to tell you.

977
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: My girlfriend Christine today had a similar thought. She also

978
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: noted that moment to me, and her take on it

979
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: was a little different, but definitely she said, like that

980
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: was the most noticeable reaction from him, like physical reaction

981
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: is that like she felt like he was almost like

982
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: looking to murder them, as like he was almost like

983
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: sizing up a little bit, Like it almost seemed like

984
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: there was like this I'm in for a kill again

985
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: and it almost had like a gleefulness to it. I mean, again,

986
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: these are micro expressions, but what a scary thought.

987
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: Well, the gleeful mark.

988
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 6: That's how I took it. Was it with the gleefulness,

989
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 6: And I thought, like, is he reacting to that because

990
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 6: he feels like I got a really good one, you

991
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 6: know what I mean? Like it made it broke my

992
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 6: heart because I didn't think he was like, Oh, I

993
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 6: feel so bad for this dad, because I don't know

994
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 6: that he's capable of feeling that, like, you know. I

995
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 6: think that the way that they handled it was everyone

996
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 6: was just like, this is the pain you're going to

997
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 6: be inflicted on in there, rather than you hurt me,

998
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 6: because I think that you hurt me is what he

999
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 6: wants and that beats his soul. And I think they

1000
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 6: all got together and like did stuff that was going

1001
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 6: to hurt him or put him in fear, which is

1002
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 6: if I were them, what I would want, right imagine

1003
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 6: this year that they're family members underwent exactly.

1004
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: It's unimaginable, frankly unimaginable, I mean, and that's also the

1005
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: takeaway from some of the things that we've now learned.

1006
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: And again we want to hear from you eight eight

1007
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 2: eighth three one crime is just the level of gruesomeness.

1008
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: And again Joseph Scott Morgan will come on Sunday and

1009
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: sort of unpack really the specifics of these forensics. But

1010
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: fifty stab wounds for x Aner Kernodle, Yes, body, There's one.

1011
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 4: Thing in the documents I wanted to bring up before

1012
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 4: we move on to another.

1013
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: Subject, if we ever do.

1014
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: I don't know that we're going to, but if we

1015
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 4: ever do, I want to bring this up before we

1016
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: move on. Moments leading up to the nine one one cls.

1017
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: So that's kind of the headline, right. So at four

1018
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 4: in the morning, Bethany this one of the surviving roommates.

1019
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: Again.

1020
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: She was on the bottom floor. She never saw him,

1021
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 4: she never heard him or anything like that, but she

1022
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 4: mentioned that she was outside with Madison. They had taken

1023
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: Murphy out to go to the bathroom and it was

1024
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 4: really cold, so she came back in. She got some

1025
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: potato chips. I mean, I'm thinking, like, this is me,

1026
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: this is like my thing that I like to do.

1027
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 4: She got some potato chips. She went to her room,

1028
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 4: she put on a movie and she fell asleep. Okay,

1029
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 4: and she says she was woken up about four o'clock

1030
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: in the morning, anywhere from four to four twenty. She

1031
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 4: wasn't exactly sure. But guess what she wakes up to.

1032
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 4: Now she's on the bottom floor. Remember, she wakes up

1033
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: to what she thinks is a firecracker going off, and

1034
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: she sees sparks under her door.

1035
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: What is that?

1036
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 3: What do you make of that? What did you think

1037
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: it was? I have no idea.

1038
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 4: Well, first I thought it was four o'clock in the

1039
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 4: morning and it was Xanna getting the door dash right.

1040
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, a firecracker is what? I have

1041
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 4: no idea.

1042
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: I always thought it was maybe like a tire popping

1043
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: outdoors or something, you know, back to the original theory too.

1044
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: I've always been obsessed.

1045
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: And again this like choose your own adventure ending, you

1046
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: know of just the idea of him just standing in

1047
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: a street light across the street, you know, a courtney.

1048
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: We made the podcast, and you know, that was sort

1049
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: of the imagery we always sort of pictured in our head,

1050
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: but it was baseless.

1051
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: It wasn't based on anything.

1052
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: But I think that's the scary movie on this right,

1053
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: It's the It's Halloween, right, it's everybody's boogeyman? Is this

1054
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: random guy? And you know, again, like what do we

1055
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: do to take away from this?

1056
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I can talk about this for thirty

1057
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 4: seven years. He is the boogeyman, and everyone wants to

1058
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: make this like there has to be a reason, There

1059
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: has to be a reason. No, sometimes there just isn't,

1060
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: and we are we have to protect ourselves because boogeymen exist,

1061
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: and he's one boogey men exist. I'm sorry they do.

1062
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, yeah, VK. I know we're supposed to call

1063
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: him K, but if you're just joining us, that could

1064
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: be confusing. So I'm not sure what the bell. Can

1065
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: we call him monster instead and keep it real simple.

1066
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: Or we can just use his we can just use

1067
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: his inmate number. It's like one six two three, one

1068
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 3: four or something.

1069
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very ordinary because he's nothing now right, he

1070
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: is literally nothing.

1071
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 3: And I've been holding back this rant. Go for it

1072
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: while you're sitting back. What is what is the whole

1073
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: back for?

1074
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 4: Okay, we've been sitting here, and you know, I've been

1075
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: sitting here for two and a half years with my

1076
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 4: friends and now you guys, and like trying to figure

1077
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 4: out like the meaning like why did this happen? And

1078
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: you know, it's we have to make sense of this

1079
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: because we feel unsafe if it doesn't make sense, right

1080
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 4: I do, yes, Like because this dork, this frickin' dork

1081
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: went into that house and took four young people who

1082
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 4: are fit capable, you know what I mean, like us

1083
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 4: nerd This freakin' nobody just walks in and kills them, right,

1084
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: And if he can do that to them, am I

1085
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: in danger?

1086
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1087
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 4: So we have to like organize these thoughts and like

1088
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: cartmentalize things and like none of it makes sense and

1089
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 4: it's not going to because you know what, we're not

1090
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 4: the crazy ones. He's the nut job, not us.

1091
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: That's true.

1092
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 4: It's never going to make sense.

1093
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: It's not going to make sense.

1094
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: However, we can make sure that we're looking out for

1095
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: each other and by the way, trusting our guts. Like

1096
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: that's another thing that I think is a takeaway having

1097
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: been a little far down the.

1098
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: Rabbit hole on this one.

1099
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, several times now we're seeing that in some

1100
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: of this evidentiary documents that we're seeing with evidence in

1101
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: it that you know, there were reports or even Kayleie

1102
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: herself like she had a bad feeling. She had a

1103
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: spiky sense enough so that she repeated it two times. Right,

1104
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: she would have to wherewithal and enough of us sixth

1105
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: sense that she said to two separate people and two

1106
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: separate occasions. Something feels off, and it is just so

1107
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: easy for each of us. We've all done it, God

1108
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: knows I have. We all have in small ways, big ways.

1109
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: Yet we just kind of blow it off. We don't

1110
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: want to be dramatic. We just don't want to much

1111
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: a thing.

1112
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 6: You know, God forbid you accuse somebody of something, then

1113
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 6: you could be in trouble. So it is a very

1114
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 6: it's a funky line to be like trying to navigate

1115
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 6: it is really tough because you do get that feeling sometimes, right.

1116
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: And I live alone, Like I'm terrified all the time,

1117
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, get it together, body Like I'm armed,

1118
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 4: I'm capable of defending myself. But then I'm like, well, dude,

1119
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: Ethan was like six to two.

1120
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, even eat, you know what I mean?

1121
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: Like, of course, but some basic things, if you have

1122
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: that spidey sense, you just have to make sure that

1123
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: you're all closing the window, right, Like we have to

1124
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: look behind our shoulders.

1125
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 3: It sucks. It stinks.

1126
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: And anybody who has any other tips. You know one

1127
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: thing I've just learned from the crime craft. If you

1128
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: can avoid ever getting put in the.

1129
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: Crid, your house on Google Maps, hide your hud your

1130
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: house maps, make sure that your layouts not on Zillo

1131
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 4: and Trulia, and how do you do that?

1132
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: How do you do that?

1133
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: Go to Zilo and you can go to the privacy policy,

1134
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 4: read about it and hit the buttons, and you know,

1135
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: make sure all your stuff's unlisted, go to been verified,

1136
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: remove all your information from all those websites, and God forbid,

1137
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: stop posting public pictures to Facebook. Make you sure your

1138
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: profile pasure is locked down. And if you don't know

1139
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 4: how to do that, then get.

1140
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: Kids like even answer you via email, just hit upon.

1141
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: Our socials will navigate it together, because look, we aren't

1142
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: going to change the fact that there are wackos in

1143
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: the wild, just we can't. We can look out for

1144
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: each other and for anybody who's been in a scenario

1145
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: that's you know, being victimized or in a violent situation

1146
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: where really our hearts are with you. I think it's

1147
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: a collective, like, oh, we're all mad about it, right,

1148
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: And I.

1149
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 4: Want to make sure that people understand I'm not blaming them.

1150
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: I just want everybody to listen, to be so careful,

1151
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: Like stop posting your on social media, stop posting how

1152
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 4: beautiful your home is.

1153
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: Like just stop, nobody hard because it's fun to look

1154
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 3: at people's lot and I like to see it.

1155
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: My favorite thing in the world is back to school pictures.

1156
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 3: I love them.

1157
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 4: I know all my friends and their kids, hoween I

1158
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 4: love it so much.

1159
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: But you just gotta stop.

1160
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 2: Anybody from high school, they're like bought a new house

1161
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: or their first house, and you're like, that's amazing, love

1162
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: the house. And now it's like you don't realize the

1163
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: house has a number on the front door, and you

1164
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: know some weirdo on social media names on the mail office.

1165
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, in a.

1166
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: Very small way, like my little like nerdy social media.

1167
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: There's like an Italian woman that like cooks. I don't

1168
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: even cook. God knows you guys will all enjoy that.

1169
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: But I love this woman and I don't know her,

1170
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, but she like speaks to me and I

1171
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: feel like if I bumped into her on the street,

1172
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: we would hug.

1173
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: Right.

1174
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm never going to bump into that she lives in

1175
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: like sicily, but like that's like this connection that sometimes

1176
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: the wrong brain could get on seeing your adorable little

1177
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: baby at the beach. Right, So what's the line and

1178
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: how do you not be like over correct I.

1179
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 6: Think I think you're overcorrecting. I think the line is.

1180
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 6: We just all have to decide if you're going to

1181
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 6: admit where the line is or not. But I think

1182
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 6: it is look over your shoulder. I do think it's

1183
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 6: like for allfential right now. And I think to your point,

1184
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 6: you know, we are basically opening up our lives by posting,

1185
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 6: by doing whatever, like by keeping up with the Joneses.

1186
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 6: You should be just the people on your block. But

1187
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 6: now you're coming competing with everyone in the world, and

1188
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: everyone's pushing it further and further.

1189
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you feel like left out if you're

1190
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 4: not right, Like anyway, can we talk about the scratch marks?

1191
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, the scratch marks?

1192
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't mean to go off on I just

1193
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: it's so frustrating because I want to know the answers too,

1194
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 4: and we're just not getting them.

1195
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm sorry.

1196
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 4: Time of the killings, his friends told detectives, and Yogi

1197
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: has something to say about this.

1198
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, bring a Yogi.

1199
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 5: We hear you.

1200
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: Yogi, shout out to Yogi.

1201
00:58:59,480 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 6: Well.

1202
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 4: One of Coburger's friends who is a WSU student. His

1203
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 4: name was redacted in the documents. He told detectives that

1204
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 4: he noticed scratch marks on Coburger's body on his face

1205
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 4: on two separate occasions in October and November. The friend

1206
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: said that one injury was large enough on it left

1207
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 4: a mark on Cobroger's face, which the friend described This

1208
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 4: is how he described it as looking like scratches from fingernails.

1209
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 4: The friend added that he also saw wounds on Coburger's

1210
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 4: knuckles on two separate occasions. When the friend asked Bka

1211
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 4: about the Marx, Bka replied that he was in a

1212
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 4: car accident.

1213
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.

1214
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: If there were finger marks or finger scratches on Brian

1215
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 4: Coburger's face, then I would assume there would be skin

1216
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 4: under Zanna Matty Cayley's nails, right, And they did find

1217
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 4: a mixture under the nails, but it wasn't enough. But

1218
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 4: he was wearing like a bolla kava, right, So I

1219
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 4: want to ask I'm going to put a pin in

1220
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 4: this for Sunday because Sunday on the show, Joseph Scott

1221
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 4: Morgan forensic expert who is going to be joining us,

1222
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 4: and I want to ask him if Brian Coberger was

1223
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 4: wearing a bolla kava or a ski mask, let's say,

1224
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 4: and one of the girls had kind of like nails

1225
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: like mine, how they're kind of like, you know, little

1226
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 4: raised little claws. Would that have scratched his face without

1227
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: getting his DNA under their skin.

1228
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 5: I'm very interested because I had the same exact question,

1229
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 5: So I'm curious to see what Joseph does think. But honestly,

1230
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 5: that certainly can happen. I've scratched actually literally just the

1231
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 5: other day wearing a shirt step by whatever. I scraped

1232
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 5: up against a nail and my skin was scratched and broken. Yeah,

1233
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 5: and my shirt was not so really anyway, we'll see. Yeah, So,

1234
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 5: I mean it's certainly a thing that happened.

1235
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 6: I think about the four that thirls were young. Oh sure,

1236
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 6: you mean, it would make sense that they will be

1237
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 6: able to make a mark even through some fabric.

1238
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 4: Interesting, Well, I'm going to ask Joseph and see what

1239
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 4: he has to say about so tune in for that way.

1240
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 4: It's going to be a we're going to be diving

1241
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 4: into a lot. There's a lot of graphic by the

1242
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 4: way turner warning, there's a lot of graphic detail that

1243
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 4: will probably loss over a little bit, you know, for

1244
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 4: the airwaves.

1245
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: But there is some.

1246
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 4: Details that we do want to speak to Joseph about

1247
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 4: because this is what he is an expert in. He

1248
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: is a death investigator, he is the guy. So I

1249
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 4: want to ask him a lot of questions about this autopsy.

1250
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 4: And listen, I have a question too.

1251
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: Please if you want to join this conversation eight eight

1252
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: eight to three to one crime, please do. But the

1253
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 2: shower curtain, this has been sort of that burning thing.

1254
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: So just for the catch up, there was a photograph

1255
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: and also mention of this in the what was it?

1256
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 3: Which report?

1257
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 5: Was it?

1258
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: Badia?

1259
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: Was the initial police report that when they had photographs

1260
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: of Brian Koberger's BK's apartment when the sorties kind of

1261
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: searched it for the first time. One thing that was

1262
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: noted is that he didn't have a shower curtain in

1263
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: his bathroom. And again small detail. For whatever reason that

1264
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: one has gotten in my head. We've talked about it

1265
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: so much I can't even really tell you.

1266
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: And why is.

1267
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: Because it kind of conjures up the idea that maybe

1268
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: he had the fore right, forthright thought to take down

1269
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: his shower curtain and have that in his car. So

1270
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: when he came out of this house after murdering four people,

1271
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: knowing he would be covered in blood because he did

1272
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: it with a k bar, a Rambo knife, quite literally,

1273
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: that he would get in his car and wrap himself

1274
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: in his shower curtain. And that just seems so basic

1275
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: and twisted and like stright out of a very dexter vibes. Right,

1276
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: this guy was studying criminology, he's a PhD student. And

1277
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: then very recently, when we had those dateline leaks, we

1278
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: also saw a very haunting photograph of him, of him

1279
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: really hours after the said murders, and he's like wearing

1280
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: the hoodie that allegedly looks like Bundy, and we see

1281
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: him in this bathroom again and the shower is behind him,

1282
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: but you see a little bit of curtain. And that

1283
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: has triggered me because I was like, oh, I guess,

1284
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: I guess I was wrong about that, or we were

1285
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: wrong about that.

1286
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: I definitely was like obsessed with the shower.

1287
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: Curtain theory and until body kind of cracked the case

1288
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: for me as well.

1289
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: So, Boddy, what was your theory on this?

1290
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 4: Well, the photo that Stephanie's talking about is in the

1291
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 4: court documents and it's Brian Coberger and he's wearing he's.

1292
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 3: Doing a thumbs up. It's a thumbs up photo.

1293
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: So if you know the photos, it's in the documents

1294
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 4: he's doing the thumbs up and behind him and it

1295
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: does look like an empty shower butt. If you look

1296
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 4: all the way over, you can see like tiny sliver

1297
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 4: and it looks like a shower liner, and you can

1298
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 4: even see the folds in it, which to me, you

1299
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 4: know how when you get like a new shower liner

1300
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 4: and it's like in a plastic wrap and you and

1301
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 4: it's got the squares the falls, it's almost like a

1302
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 4: brand new liner. So that the idea is that you

1303
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 4: were correct stuff that maybe he lined his trunk with it,

1304
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: came out through it and that wrapped it up and buried,

1305
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 4: you know, everything in the shower liner or shower curtain.

1306
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: The thing I can't really kind of let go and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to put you down another rabbit hole, spin

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Speaker 4: you get ready. Yes, if he did that, If he

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Speaker 4: did that and got a new shower liner that morning,

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Speaker 4: right and put it up before he took the thumbs.

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Speaker 3: Up picture, Where did it go for six weeks?

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Speaker 4: Because he wasn't arrested for six weeks when they did

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Speaker 4: the search warrant and they had no shower curtain.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot more, and we're going to continue

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Speaker 5: show with questions after the break. And one thing I

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Speaker 5: would like to report on that has come out in

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Speaker 5: the documents are details about BKA his sole conversation with authorities,

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Speaker 5: and we'll be covering that and much more. Give us

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Speaker 5: a call eight at eighty three to one Crime. We

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Speaker 5: are talking true crime all the time on True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: And we've been talking a lot about these recent developments

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Speaker 2: in the BK Brian Coburger filings that we've now seen

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Speaker 2: in the paperwork that's now come out from law enforcement

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Speaker 2: with evidence and details that we really are just scouring over.

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Speaker 2: Body has a full Excel sheet that she'll get through

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Speaker 2: and Sunday we'll do a full unpack. But just having

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Speaker 2: you guys kind of weigh in has been really meaningful

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Speaker 2: because look, and we're all trying to make sense of it.

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01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: We're all trying to what's the right thing to do

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Speaker 2: post this, and you know, how do we look out

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: for each other? I guess so join us eight eight

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Speaker 2: eight three one crime, Sally. You always have an opinion

1333
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: on everything, which is the greatest, So that's number one,

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01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: and number two there's cases that are either long island

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: based or even you know, adjacent to sometimes unscripted.

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Speaker 3: TV shows we've all talked about.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really hoping that you'll just always come back

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Speaker 2: and we can sort of unpack that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But before we even go there, we have a talk back.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to that.

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Speaker 10: Hi, this is Violet from Canada about Brian Coberger and

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Speaker 10: his drug addiction. I know he was a heroin addict,

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Speaker 10: and also there are things saying that he was depressed.

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Speaker 10: I also know that a lot of the time with

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Speaker 10: drug addiction, people are lacking dopamine. So I wonder what

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Speaker 10: your guys' opinion is because I just thought of this today.

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Speaker 10: Maybe the kicking the drug addiction but then focusing on

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Speaker 10: planning a murder who was giving him a dope meine relief,

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Speaker 10: or maybe he was a drug addict in order to

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Speaker 10: try to cope with the fact that he knew he

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Speaker 10: was the psychopath and had urges to murder people.

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Speaker 3: That is the best question I can It's so interesting.

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Speaker 5: So there's very little we know, but here is part

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Speaker 5: of it, and this is part of what has been

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Speaker 5: released in the multiple documents. Bka had one conversation with

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Speaker 5: authorities and this was after he was initially arrested back

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Speaker 5: in his home in Pennsylvania twenty twenty two. So something

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Speaker 5: he revealed about himself is narcissism. Doesn't begin to cover

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 5: where this is going to end, but very briefly. So

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Speaker 5: he is arrested and it was a large presence and

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Speaker 5: a swat team that came to his house, and so

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Speaker 5: Brian Colberger said, Oh my goodness, I'm so worried about

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Speaker 5: my parents and my dog.

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Speaker 3: The swat team was just at the house.

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Speaker 5: So that made me a little sick since he had

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Speaker 5: obviously caused that to happen.

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Speaker 3: But I think you will get more sick with me.

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Speaker 5: Officers asked if he knew what happened in November, and

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Speaker 5: all Bka replied was of course and said it was

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Speaker 5: because he received an alert. And then when they asked,

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Speaker 5: they explained the homicides and why he was there. He replied,

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Speaker 5: I need a lawyer. So fine, then you need to

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 5: be quiet. But here is I think, maybe the greatest

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Speaker 5: insight into this disgusting mind. So after he said no,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to need a lawyer, he then asked the detectives, Hey,

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Speaker 5: do you have any questions for me? Since I'm kind

1377
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 5: of a PhD student and you know I have a

1378
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 5: lot of aspirations to become a professor.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine such a smarty pants? Well listen, and

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Speaker 2: I think yes, I can imagine because this guy was

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: what a megalomaniac. Courtney's favorite word meglomaniac. I just never

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01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: can say it with a straight face, but it's true.

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01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: And also yes, he had a heroin addiction, and that

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Speaker 2: only was followed by COVID where there was more isolation.

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: So it is sort of an interesting storm of did

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Speaker 2: he have any disorders or something going on with him

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Speaker 2: as a child?

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01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: Who knows that hasn't been reported yet.

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 2: There was obviously this autism claim, and then additionally having

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Speaker 2: a hair addiction.

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Speaker 3: What does that do to your brain?

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Speaker 2: We interviewed a scientist once that kind of discussed a

1393
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: little bit about the post heroin addiction struggle. Not that

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01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: that has anything to do or gives like permission for

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: him to become a killer, But there is something to

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Speaker 2: the isolation of this particular person and COVID, you know,

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Speaker 2: was there a factor in that, Like he was like

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Speaker 2: literally living in the basement of his parents' house and

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Speaker 2: had no friends.

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Speaker 3: We've heard that very clearly. And then he became a.

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Speaker 2: Psycho exercise nut after kicking drugs, which by the way,

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Speaker 2: is not easy to do.

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 3: That's a very hard drug to kick, and he did it.

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Speaker 3: He really pulled it off.

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Speaker 2: We interviewed somebody that also went to rehab with him

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Speaker 2: and said he was an addiction.

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Speaker 6: Though the exercise addiction and now the watching and the

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Speaker 6: cleanliness addiction.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question.

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Speaker 6: He's almost like refocused transferring it. But it is just

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Speaker 6: I mean, who knows, right, Like didn't know as a

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Speaker 6: part of me that like maybe when the parents speak,

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Speaker 6: or maybe you know, when he speaks, you know, he'll

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01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 6: speak to that. But for me, I mean, obviously he

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Speaker 6: probably has no remorse, but for me, that would be

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01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 6: part of the remorse thing, Like maybe there's a chemical

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01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 6: reason why this happened. To try and make sense of it,

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01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 6: if you're trying to garner any kind of, you know,

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 6: sympathy for yourself. I don't know, but I mean, I

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Speaker 6: hope none of it's true. I also hope it's true

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01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 6: because then there's a reason. But like all around, it's

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Speaker 6: just confusing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is in a perfect store.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you have a lot of little things that again,

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Speaker 2: I think that's why we're talking about it. It's important

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Speaker 2: stuff to unpack and you know, yeah, transferring of some

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Speaker 2: of these habits is you know, that's very possible in

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Speaker 2: a very very smart caller, Addie, what do you think.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm reading the headlines that are coming out

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Speaker 4: right now, and is it okay if I please do so.

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Speaker 4: Steve Gonsalez is on Banfield right now and he is

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Speaker 4: saying that Kaylee's teeth were knocked down out with a

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Speaker 4: rounded object with stripes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Second, there's a second murder. Well, so that's the other thing.

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Speaker 3: So that's let's clear that up too.

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Speaker 4: So Steve Gonsalves in the family met with the prosecutors,

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Speaker 4: let's just say, the state before sentencing, and they gave

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Speaker 4: them some details about Kaylee and what happened that night.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that they took from that

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Speaker 4: meeting is that there was a second weapon used, but

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Speaker 4: they don't know what that weapon is. When asked about

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 4: the second weapon at the press conference, the state said, no,

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Speaker 4: there was only one weapon. So I'm not sure, like

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 4: what is going on, And there is no indication in

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 4: the documents that I've seen so far that there was

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Speaker 4: a second weapon use. So I don't know what's happening.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know why Steve would just make that

1449
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Speaker 4: up right? Well, why were her teeth knocked in it?

1450
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 4: Could it have been the bottom of the well the night.

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 4: It could have, But that's really dangerous, Like his hand

1452
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 4: could slide right up that and cut his hand.

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Speaker 2: And Kayla was like something in a room that he hit,

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: you know, like a vase or a hairbrush or you

1455
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 2: know what else? Are another tip, ladies, fire extinguishers or

1456
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: an in men. By the way this goes across the board,

1457
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 2: put a fire extinguisher very close by you pull that

1458
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 2: up urge. That's a very big defensive way of protecting yourself.

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 4: If you have to, Yeah, for sure, But anyway, that's

1460
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Speaker 4: just the kind of a breaking wow news on that.

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Speaker 5: Kayla himselves his sister Olivia, when she was doing her

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Speaker 5: victim impact statement yesterday. She also had said, what was

1463
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 5: the second film that you used? So we'll see if

1464
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 5: something is revealed. Listen if you want to join us.

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Speaker 5: We're at eight to eight, three to one crime. We

1466
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Speaker 5: are talking about the Idaho college murders, and we enjoined

1467
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Speaker 5: by Sally and Salsano, who is a lady reality TV.

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01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 5: I mean, what's the word of royalty? Yes, I think

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Speaker 5: that's actually an accurate Yes, this.

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Speaker 6: Is I mean, talking about this is just so disturbing, right,

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01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 6: Like everyone, sometimes you go to work and you're like, God,

1472
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 6: my job is so silly. Right, here's sturdy strangers. Let

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 6: him fall in love. I'm trying to stay in that world,

1474
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 6: Like I got to tell you it is. Thinking about

1475
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 6: this is really tricky, and you know, I just don't

1476
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 6: even understand what he said earlier, Stephanie. You know, the

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01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 6: way he was holding his knife could be dangerous, and

1478
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 6: in my mind, like, let me, this guy's too worried

1479
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 6: about danger, you know what I mean, Like he's like hacking.

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: Up, Like what that's true? No, that's true in my life.

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01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 4: I'm like I would him to have a large wound

1482
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 4: on his hand if he did that you know right,

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01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 4: or like did he just reach for something and a

1484
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 4: fight you know, you know something got grabbed because she

1485
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 4: was she was very strong, she was very athletic. Taha,

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 4: will you remind me on Sunday to ask Joseph Scott

1487
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 4: Morgan forensics expert, who's going to be joining us on Sunday?

1488
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 4: I cannot, I literally cannot wait for thatwork counting the outs,

1489
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 4: what kind of weapon is rounded and would leave us stripe?

1490
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 4: And how pathology would know that?

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 3: Got it? Copy?

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01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 6: I got that about the scratches with the marks on

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01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 6: the face and the shower curtains faced, No, I've noted

1494
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 6: and dying to know myself.

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 3: So we will definitely have to look.

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Speaker 2: You're the best, You're the best producer, Ta hi, everybody,

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01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: it's a producer, Ta hi everybody. And also to Ozzy Osbourne,

1498
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Speaker 2: we have you know Sam who's Sam keeps us live

1499
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: and keeps us in line every night we we were

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Speaker 2: with you because he's in the morning of Ozzy Osbourne

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 2: and if you can watch it on you know where

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01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: is it? We're kind of TB or Amazon. I don't

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01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: know that Osbourne should be playing twenty four hours a day.

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Speaker 4: So Sam is giving his Azzie tribute. He's got his

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01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 4: black Saba the shirt on, he's got some beautiful eyeliner.

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Speaker 3: On and based nails, nails plas. He looks marvelous. You

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Speaker 3: look great. I was asking earlier if we could play

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,839
Speaker 3: some Aussie and they said.

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Speaker 5: No, we got to shut down pretty quick on the

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 5: on the tail of Ozzy, And then his name just

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Speaker 5: flew out of my head, whole Cogan.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Hull Cogan. May you rest in peace? Yeah, Sally,

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Speaker 3: did you ever meet here?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 6: It was like shocking to hear. And then we're like

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Speaker 6: in the office talking about it today and it's like,

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Speaker 6: as you were talking about it, you're like, oh my,

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Speaker 6: And I was like one of these kids that went

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Speaker 6: to the Nasau Coliseum, that's the whole co maniac and

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 6: watching in viper Fit. I was such a fan. And

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 6: as we were talking about all of that stuff and

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 6: then looking back and everyone's like, it's cardiac arrest, and

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 6: someone of my uncles like, isn't that shocking, I'm like,

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01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 6: I don't think so. Imagine your body being put through

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 6: all of that, and you know, I'm sure they might

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 6: alleged enhancers at some point and somehow but like, I

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01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 6: don't know, I'm just like, how do these guys do

1528
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 6: it that long?

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 3: Think about it? Yeah, they're like slamming there.

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 2: But first of all, you saying Nasau Coliseum, we're both

1531
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 2: Long Islanders four ninety five. Salien's company is Long Island base.

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 2: That's the expressway for shout out a stage of high school.

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: But that is so true.

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: Like hull Comania was such a big thing, and then

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01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: he had the Family Show and you know, they all

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01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: hit hard times and it seemed like, you know, wasn't

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: he just somewhere very public recently Hulk.

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01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: Hogan the Republican National Convention being a crazy on.

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01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 5: Pulling off shirt. That's right right, well from one stage

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 5: to the next. But listen, we wanted to give the

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: biggest thank you to you Sally Ane for joining us

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01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 5: on the show.

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 3: So you say that, Sally, I like it like a

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, And everyone.

1545
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 5: Should be watching her show The Snake on Fox. It's

1546
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 5: really compelling and a must watch.

1547
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 3: So social manipulation, right, I love it.

1548
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 2: You know, listen, all the talkbacks have been super helpful,

1549
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 2: so we're so grateful for them.

1550
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: Obviously, this BK thing and all.

1551
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: The forensics that we're not getting access to will be

1552
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 2: unpacking again on Sunday with Joseph Scott Moore, So make

1553
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 2: sure you tune in. If you have any questions prior

1554
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 2: to that that you want him to answer, call us

1555
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: eight eight eight three to one Crime and you can

1556
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: leave us some voicemail anytime between then and now or

1557
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 2: in our socials at True Crime Tonight Show on Facebook,

1558
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: at True Crime Tonight Show on Instagram and TikTok or

1559
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: at True Crime Tonight's Show on Facebook. And also you

1560
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 2: could leave us one of those talkbacks. So you just

1561
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: download the iHeartRadio app. It's free and in the top

1562
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: right hand corner there's a little button. You press it

1563
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: leave us a voicemail and boom, you're also on the show.

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And not to be like I don't want to listen,

1565
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be like gross or anything like that,

1566
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: but we have a great opportunity to speak with Joseph

1567
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 4: on Sunday. So if you're looking at these documents, which

1568
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 4: by the way, anybody can go do and you want

1569
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 4: and you're reading the wound and you're like, what is that?

1570
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 3: You know, get send us a doll back.

1571
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 4: This is like a really great opportunity to get the

1572
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 4: from an expert, like he's literally a forensics expert, certified degree,

1573
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 4: work field everything right, like the youngest he.

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01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 5: Was the youngest medical examiner in the parish that he

1575
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 5: started in. I think I might be butchering his No,

1576
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 5: he was a little bit, but is that exactly?

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 8: I know.

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: It's also in our documentary airing on Peacock. Please check

1580
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: it out.

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01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: We hope you will.

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01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: The Idaho student murders, and obviously it's a little bit

1583
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: of a breakdown of how we got here and you know,

1584
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: kind of informs some of these questions that we've had

1585
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: that were you know, listen, we're finally getting some of

1586
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 2: these answers, unsatisfying as they may be, so yeah, please

1587
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: jump in and you know, throw your questions in the mix.

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01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I'm Taha. Thank God for Taha. He's taking

1589
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 4: them all down because I would forget them already, Like

1590
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 4: I can't remember what I said twenty minutes ago.

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 3: Thank you, Tah, God I have. I have a bunch

1592
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 3: of questions for him.

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01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 2: Myself and producer Taha, we've been talking about this also.

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: I think one thing that's really the takeaway is it

1595
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: was always considered such an overkill and such a gruesome

1596
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: crime scene. I mean, we remember when this crime first happened,

1597
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 2: the walls were literally bleeding, right, there was blood on

1598
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: the baseline of that house, So we knew that it

1599
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: was unbelievably grotesque. Based on what we're seeing now, it

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Speaker 2: was far worse than we ever could have imagined. And

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01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: we should be really mad and continue to make sure

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: we really do understand it. And again join that combo

1603
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 2: too of how we can all sort of take something

1604
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 2: from this that you know, dare I say, is air

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01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 2: quotes positive that keeps us a little safer in the world.

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01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 3: It's so hard, we were saying too.

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 6: During the break, we were saying, you know, for the families,

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01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 6: like everything was released, like do you wish you know?

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 6: Do you how much do you want to know?

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01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 7: Right?

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 6: Like at a point it's not going to bring back,

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01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 6: you know, your loved one, Like do you really want

1613
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 6: to know how many wounds or how or you know

1614
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 6: or do you want to know because you're never going

1615
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 6: to get answered.

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01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 4: I would want to know.

1617
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 3: I want to know everything.

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01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 4: If my daughter had to experience it and go through it,

1619
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 4: I want to know every single hair on her head

1620
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 4: that was affected. I want to know everything that happened.

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01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 4: I want to know minute, second by second, every and

1622
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 4: that's where I think Steve is he wants to know,

1623
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 4: and not just Steve. The entire gunsolve is family and

1624
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 4: I think Maddie's dad. I might be wrong about that,

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01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 4: but I want to know every single detail because if

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01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 4: she had to go through it, I want to know

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01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 4: about it.

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 3: As your parents that don't want to know, don't have

1629
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 3: to read it.

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01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 2: Or they don't have a choice. It's everywhere, we're all

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01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: talking about it. Well, listen, this is an act. Goodbye,

1632
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: sal thank you, Courtney, Body, love you boys.

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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 3: Taha.

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 2: Great show. We'll be back on Sunday. Please tune in.

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01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: This is true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all

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01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 3: Good Night,