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Speaker 2: This is a.

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Speaker 1: Special weekend bulletin edition of Countdown. I do not see

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Speaker 1: how this is going to get any better, and I

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Speaker 1: do not see how this story is going to go away.

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Speaker 1: And I do not see how this answer suffices.

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Speaker 2: If you stay in and Trump is elected and everything

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Speaker 2: you're warning about comes to pass, how will you feel

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Speaker 2: in January? I feel, as long as I gave it

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Speaker 2: know I can do. That's what this is about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what other answer there is to that question.

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Speaker 1: How would you feel if you lose to Trump and

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Speaker 1: America dies? Maybe the answer is no, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to lose. I guarantee you I am not going to lose.

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Speaker 1: But that answer in the Friday interview with ABC News

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Speaker 1: is harrowing at times. While President Biden spoke coherently and

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Speaker 1: energetically and crisply on ABC and at a rally in Madison, Wisconsin, Friday,

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Speaker 1: the early signs nevertheless became a parent of an organized

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Speaker 1: effort among key elected Democrats to convince the President to

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Speaker 1: retire from the ticket, and unlike previous overtures and feelers

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Speaker 1: and whispered doubts. This one resonates like the crack of

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Speaker 1: doom in the distance because it is on the record.

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post now reports that on Monday, Senator Mark

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Speaker 1: Warner Virginia, possibly the least controversial and most knows to

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Speaker 1: the grindstone Democrat in the Senate since Biden himself left

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Speaker 1: for the vice presidency, has told his colleagues that Biden

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Speaker 1: House to talk with the President directly and in person.

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Speaker 1: Quoting Warner is telling Democratic senators that Biden can no

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Speaker 1: faltering debate performance. Warner has told that he is deeply

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Speaker 1: that could beat Trump. No other names are mentioned. The

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Speaker 1: Post sources say Warner would not limit the meeting to

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Speaker 1: similar stories about Warner by NBC News, at in Politico,

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Speaker 1: and at punch Bowl News. He immediately invokes the legendary

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Speaker 1: march to the White House on August seventh, nineteen seventy four,

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Speaker 1: News reporting the leader of the Democrats in the House,

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Speaker 1: Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, we'll meet virtually with the ranking

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Speaker 2: Fearing that out, and I've gotten more gun than any

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Speaker 2: Remember the red wave. You're wrong about twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: He said, all the tough face, we're gonna be one

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Speaker 1: What are they telling you?

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Speaker 2: Sir? Telling me to stay in the race.

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Speaker 1: They're gathering together to.

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Speaker 2: Holloce, Well, what born of mind? Stand? Is the only

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Speaker 2: You got? Do you tell you than your president? Coming together?

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Speaker 1: Do you call you the thoughts of the members of

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Speaker 1: I may loathe this reality. We may curse the forces

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Speaker 1: How the President seemed Today? The next scheduled countdown podcast

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday Bulletins, as developments warn't until the next one.

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