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Speaker 1: here immobilemobile Alabama and uh had a couple of practices today.
Speaker 1: We'll get right into this. Had a way in this morning,
Speaker 1: had a had a practice, uh morning really an afternoon
Speaker 1: practice with the South team and then the North team
Speaker 1: had their practice with Jason Garrett and that crew this afternoon. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you know I want to get into that myself. I will.
Speaker 1: We are not going to take any calls today. We'll
Speaker 1: be able to take some Twitter questions. Dave Hellman will
Speaker 1: do that. We'll do it. We'll try and do some
Speaker 1: I don't know what the time, the way it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can do Twitter on the twenty,
Speaker 1: but we'll call it that. We'll just spring whatever we want, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ken Garrison. Ken Garrison executive producers telling us we can
Speaker 1: do whatever we want, so we will. But yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: take you with questions. We don't have any ability to
Speaker 1: take any phone calls right now, but if fire us up,
Speaker 1: line us up with some tot of questions, we'll do
Speaker 1: our very best. Make sure you're doing it at the
Speaker 1: draft show. In that way, we can can kind of
Speaker 1: rally them all together and then answer them when we
Speaker 1: see fit. Maybe as we go along day we'll just
Speaker 1: pop some in and depend on the conversation. Anything this morning, guys,
Speaker 1: come out of the way in for you any You know,
Speaker 1: we've been watching a lot of tape, which is my
Speaker 1: favorite thing to do, is David Hellman. Brian loves to
Speaker 1: watch tape, got o Griden, the tape, got to grind
Speaker 1: the tape. So yeah, but is there anything though from
Speaker 1: guys you've seen that You've been watching the tape and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, this guy is bigger, he's smaller. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that, you know that type. And and Dane,
Speaker 1: you've been to an All Star game. I mean you
Speaker 1: did some stuff. I mean not all these guys were there,
Speaker 1: of course, but uh, any any thoughts of any guys
Speaker 1: that it was kind of Hey, this guy is a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger than I thought. He's a little bit
Speaker 1: smaller than I thought. Well, for a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: it's checking the boxes. You know, look at Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: You know, we knew he was gonna come in around
Speaker 1: six five or sixty six, and he did. But hand
Speaker 1: sized checks at ten rushes, and that's you're looking at.
Speaker 1: You know, bigger hands doesn't necessarily mean a better quarterback,
Speaker 1: but it's more of a threshold. You know, for quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you want at least nine and a quarter nine and
Speaker 1: a half, which is not good news for Brandon Allen,
Speaker 1: who was at eight and a half in chants right,
Speaker 1: and now it's not impossible for these, you know, players
Speaker 1: with smaller hands not to have find NFL success. It's
Speaker 1: just you look around the NFL. Not many quarterbacks with
Speaker 1: small hands doing much so but for the most part,
Speaker 1: nothing really surprising. Um, you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys, like I said, it's more checking boxes,
Speaker 1: verifying what we see on tape, verifying you know what
Speaker 1: we thought would be. Uh, you know, their heights, weights,
Speaker 1: arm length. L Raven Clark the wingspan, I mean sure,
Speaker 1: I mean what was it. It was seventy six eighty
Speaker 1: five almost eighty six inches wingspan. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: tech offensive tackle. Right. He puts his hands out, he
Speaker 1: starts flapping. He might fly away. That's ridiculous. So h
Speaker 1: L Raven Clark really impressed during the way ends Miles
Speaker 1: Killerbrew the safety. He looks like he belongs in the
Speaker 1: front of a magazine. Yes, Fitness grew wrong about him.
Speaker 1: By the way. I'll go, I'll go at early ad
Speaker 1: knitting on that we sat down and watched. We get
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. And and today when you watched
Speaker 1: him in the North practice. I even wrote about this.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go up on Dallas Cowboys dot Com a
Speaker 1: little bit later. On which I encourage you to read,
Speaker 1: which I encourage you to read. I wrote about Miles Kilbrey.
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch more tape of
Speaker 1: him because there were some plays that he was made.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that. We'll get to Miles kilbog
Speaker 1: in some guys. David, is there anybody though that you know?
Speaker 1: I know you were, you know, in a scrambled mode
Speaker 1: trying to grab me and we got coaches. Day was
Speaker 1: today was a day? Yeah, it was good. I mean
Speaker 1: from eight o'clock in the morning until two hours from now,
Speaker 1: it's kind of NonStop. But I'll throw one out at
Speaker 1: you just really maybe my main impression from the day,
Speaker 1: I was really bummed. Um obviously hurt himself. It's not
Speaker 1: his fault, but Carl Joseph had to pull out of
Speaker 1: the game. His teammate kJ Dillon, that dude can hit man.
Speaker 1: We're talking shorts and pad you know, not even lighting
Speaker 1: dudes up. Yeah, he put it was our boy Tyler Irvin,
Speaker 1: which granted, I mean he's the Lance dunbar two point zero,
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's putting the wood on Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you those blew that guy up, you know,
Speaker 1: non padded practice. Yeah. I'll tell you something about Tyler
Speaker 1: Urban though that I really really like is I thought
Speaker 1: he's bigger in person, like five oh ninety seven ninety
Speaker 1: five pounds, I think if I got that right around
Speaker 1: one nine yeou Yeah, he looked bigger in person than
Speaker 1: he did on tape when you watched San Jose play.
Speaker 1: And I thought that he was one of those guys
Speaker 1: that when you when you watched him play today. I
Speaker 1: thought that that Lenahan, those guys came up with some
Speaker 1: stuff for him to do that was actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, another thing and back to the Way and
Speaker 1: another thing that really stood out. And you know, I
Speaker 1: watched most of the Way in with with Nick Eatman
Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips our other DC dot com writers, and nah,
Speaker 1: when he came up on stage. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: a he's not a power five VCS guy. You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't hear a whole lot when you think of
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech. Actually all three of them. Uh, Victor Butler,
Speaker 1: Jeff Driscoll, Ryan but Arm, Sorry you right, Victor Butler.
Speaker 1: He plays him, He played and he played with the
Speaker 1: cow He played with the cowboys, a few years ago, uh,
Speaker 1: Vernon Butler, Jeff Driscoll and but Kenneth Dixon really yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a big guy. He I mean, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: put together. You do not think of a big workhorse
Speaker 1: running back when you think Louisiana attack. But he definitely
Speaker 1: passed only five ten but two hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 1: He had smaller hands, which I was surprised to see
Speaker 1: because he is such a reliable as catch out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. But he overcomes that the hand size. But
Speaker 1: you're right about the Louisiana tech guys, and I think
Speaker 1: that carried over into practice. Especially Butler. He really impressed me.
Speaker 1: He he looks a little bit like just his facial
Speaker 1: features but like he reminded me of DeMarcus Ware and
Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, but like, and he's not played
Speaker 1: in the same position or anything like that, but he's
Speaker 1: a big, scary looking long arms to Yeah. We talk
Speaker 1: to me real quick about it. And And you very early
Speaker 1: in practice you were talking about Braxton Miller and the
Speaker 1: and the weight that we had for Braxton Miller was
Speaker 1: a two fifteen. He comes in at two o four
Speaker 1: and he's something to try and maybe you know he's
Speaker 1: already a quick player both, but something maybe help him
Speaker 1: a little more. Yeah, And you could see that throughout
Speaker 1: this season. I thought he was really trying to shed
Speaker 1: some of that weight. To me, the Ohio Steak guys
Speaker 1: really stood out. Yeah, I mean the Washington kid was
Speaker 1: really Dolphins Washington to tackle. Nick Vannette the tight end, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were talking about him, he might, he might be
Speaker 1: the top senior tight end in this class. He was underutilized.
Speaker 1: But you know, Braxton Miller, we talked about being underutilized
Speaker 1: in the Ohio State offense. Nick Vanette the same thing.
Speaker 1: I had nineteen catches last year. But back to Braxton,
Speaker 1: it just there's so many athletes out there, but then
Speaker 1: there's Braxton Miller. I mean, he's a step above these guys.
Speaker 1: And that's no you know, throwing shade at those other guys.
Speaker 1: It's just Braxton Miller's just so elite as an athlete.
Speaker 1: The body control, his short area, quickness, the long speed,
Speaker 1: it's all there. And obviously he's still raw and you
Speaker 1: could see that in his routes. He needs to learn
Speaker 1: a better nuance how to use his hands. But a
Speaker 1: player that moves like he does, and he caught everything,
Speaker 1: And I think it's just he's a natural athlete. The
Speaker 1: quick reflects, it's it's all there and on display. So
Speaker 1: we'll have to see how he improves throughout the week.
Speaker 1: But he set the bar pretty high in nine first practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really did. I liked Derek Dooley, the Cowboys receivers coach,
Speaker 1: does a really nice job with his drills and you
Speaker 1: and you get something out of movement, and you get
Speaker 1: something out of the ability is the break that drive
Speaker 1: all those things extend for the football, you know. I
Speaker 1: think that he put those North those northern receivers, North
Speaker 1: receivers through a lot that where you can get something.
Speaker 1: If you're a scout that was on the other side
Speaker 1: of the fence, right, you could get something like you
Speaker 1: were just talking about. And we see the tape with
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller, but now you're watching him in and out
Speaker 1: of cuts, turned the bound all those things the great
Speaker 1: athletes are able to do. Yeah, you want to see
Speaker 1: that short area quickness because you want to see how
Speaker 1: they are at the top of routes. You know how
Speaker 1: they do. And another thing we saw is as a
Speaker 1: punt returner, he was fielding some punts. Yes, yeah, not
Speaker 1: something we didn't see it Ohio State. No. Obviously we
Speaker 1: saw him on transition to wide receiver a hybrid h
Speaker 1: back position his past year, but he didn't play special teams,
Speaker 1: so seeing him field punts was good, you know, to
Speaker 1: expand on that versatility with Braxton getting into we've talked
Speaker 1: about we've just kind of jumped into, you know, just
Speaker 1: jumped right in and talked about, but let's talk about
Speaker 1: really what we thought from Carson Wentz today. You know,
Speaker 1: and and and you know again North quarterback. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: in a he's in a group with some other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that quite frankly, I was not overly impressing Hogan was
Speaker 1: in that mix. And then also Kessler. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a struggle for those
Speaker 1: guys today. But talk about you know, initially saw some
Speaker 1: tweets from you that it was very positive about what
Speaker 1: you saw, uh, with mechanics and things like that, just
Speaker 1: kind of go into what you thought with his day.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a perfect day, but I thought that was
Speaker 1: much more good than bad. Um. You know, you saw timing.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously this is a little uptick and competition
Speaker 1: for him going coming from the FCS level. But I
Speaker 1: don't think he had any problem with the timing, you know,
Speaker 1: in a setup and his delivery. The velocity's outstanding. His
Speaker 1: placement was generally good. Uh. He had a few one hoppers,
Speaker 1: a few that you know, I know he wanted back,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was on full display all the tools that he has.
Speaker 1: And you know it's easy to see why. You know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, the Cowboys are coaching this team. They're
Speaker 1: looking at these quarterbacks like their kids. You have to
Speaker 1: love them equally, but they were favoring yea. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. They're trying to figure out quickly.
Speaker 1: How dave your your thoughts on him, I know you
Speaker 1: were watching him as well. The big deal with him
Speaker 1: is and you know, not that lies not the right word,
Speaker 1: but you hear about these guys and colleges pump their
Speaker 1: guys up. I mean that's why they do the way
Speaker 1: in so you can get the numbers right and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, guy a six three guys actually six one
Speaker 1: and a five eleven guys actually you know, five ten
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I was impressed it. I mean, he
Speaker 1: met the measurables that they put up there for him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he fits the bill and the arm strength too.
Speaker 1: I mean again, you can see all this stuff on tape,
Speaker 1: but you're down on the field looking at this stuff.
Speaker 1: And he I mean, he had a couple of uh
Speaker 1: you know, running in with the full team, and we've
Speaker 1: talked before about how he can hit those throws on
Speaker 1: the move, on the move right, and he was doing
Speaker 1: that out there and you know, not what's the word,
Speaker 1: not anything that I took me by surprise, But I
Speaker 1: think it counts for something when you see that with
Speaker 1: your own eyes. One thing that you know as a
Speaker 1: young scout coming up, that I was taught by NFL
Speaker 1: scouts was when you evaluate quarterbacks, you have to see
Speaker 1: them in person. They're just something different. When the ball
Speaker 1: comes off his hand, uh, you know, just the way
Speaker 1: he acclimates himself in the setting. It just is just
Speaker 1: a little different for quarterbacks. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: had a chance to see him in the FCS title game.
Speaker 1: Is the same thing here. The ball definitely pops off
Speaker 1: his hand. Let me ask you this, did he try
Speaker 1: and do a little too much today? Did? I mean?
Speaker 1: And I this is old man scouts sitting in the
Speaker 1: you know, here's young Scouts an old man Scouts sitting
Speaker 1: in the press box thinking, you know, I'm actually sitting
Speaker 1: with Ozzie Newsom there. I'm not trying to but I did.
Speaker 1: But that's my guy. Ozzie and I sit together and
Speaker 1: we do it every year and it's it's great. It's
Speaker 1: a great experience for me name dropping more and more
Speaker 1: as yeah, gole, this is my guy. Is lsu got
Speaker 1: you hate Alabama guys? That I said, would mister Hellman
Speaker 1: for a little bit? Yeah, fact, like the conversation. The
Speaker 1: conversation that we had was maybe he tried to do
Speaker 1: a little too much today, maybe a little too hyped up,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe tried to make a couple of throws,
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have made, talked about the one hop. Maybe
Speaker 1: try a little too hard, maybe, you know, just a
Speaker 1: little bit over anxious in how he practiced today. I
Speaker 1: kind of got the sense that he was like trying
Speaker 1: to be the dude, you know, like he was trying
Speaker 1: to embrace the spotlight that's on him, which I kind
Speaker 1: of I appreciate that. I think that's the right way
Speaker 1: to play it, just and like not in a bad way,
Speaker 1: but he was it seemed like he was being the
Speaker 1: vocal guy he was. I mean, he was the center
Speaker 1: point of all the quarterbacks as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: and I felt like he kind of carried himself that way.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's a bad thing. No, No,
Speaker 1: and especially when you know Cody Kessler's checking down every place.
Speaker 1: But we've seen Cody Kessler. We've seen that. I believe
Speaker 1: it was a Stanford game. They've got two minutes left,
Speaker 1: need ten points or at four play and he checking
Speaker 1: in and check him and he runs. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: runs the clock completely out before the completion percentage can
Speaker 1: be a little deceiving something, right. I just felt like
Speaker 1: though that did he maybe tried, maybe was a little
Speaker 1: too hyped up today maybe, So I think that's fair,
Speaker 1: and I have to take that over like just the
Speaker 1: just the vanilla, the vanilla guy that's not really doing
Speaker 1: over much. It's an exhibition game. Go compete, that's what
Speaker 1: you know. Some quarterbacks Connor Cook didn't even want to
Speaker 1: compete here. Yeah, and here did you say Connor Cook
Speaker 1: didn't want to compete? Right, didn't want to compete here.
Speaker 1: But here's Carson Wentz coming in wanting to compete, and
Speaker 1: he helped himself. There's no question about it. We were
Speaker 1: over on the uh you know, on the south side.
Speaker 1: They were over in fair Hope and had an opportunity,
Speaker 1: and I have to admit it was like an hour
Speaker 1: and twenty minutes. I felt like they stretched forever and
Speaker 1: then finally you got to see some some work over there.
Speaker 1: Did uh? Did let's get some of their quarterbacks? U
Speaker 1: pri set Alan, any Prescott, anybody, you know, anybody Dane
Speaker 1: light you up over there? Not really, you know, looking
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks, I don't think we really got a
Speaker 1: chance to see them. Uh, you know, show what they have.
Speaker 1: You know, I think all all four looked solid. You know,
Speaker 1: they looked looked okay. But for the most part, and honestly,
Speaker 1: at the south practice, I was focusing on the offensive
Speaker 1: line and the defensive line. Yeah, and you know, watching
Speaker 1: Noah Spence about to you know, kill somebody out there.
Speaker 1: He was talking about hyped up. Yeah, Noah Spence was
Speaker 1: hyped up. He was whether it was John Thas, Yeah,
Speaker 1: theis is now now. I wrote this earlier today that
Speaker 1: in Guys to Watch, I was hoping that somebody would
Speaker 1: step up and play hard against the against uh Spence
Speaker 1: Spence and because he he there's I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: there was a tackle on either side either that could
Speaker 1: block him one on one. Agree, and thus in there
Speaker 1: and it's like they're I'm not gonna call it th drill,
Speaker 1: kind of a fit drill where they come off, they
Speaker 1: fit and they try, you know, we'll see who's the
Speaker 1: strongest and who. It was a couple of times after
Speaker 1: the snap where or after the play where thas It
Speaker 1: had enough of him, you know, I blocked, you pushed him,
Speaker 1: you know, and then okay, now we got sep you
Speaker 1: separate him, And it just kind of came a common
Speaker 1: theme throughout the day. I haven't seen Thea's play at Georgia.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about I mean, the makeup of Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a competitor and there's no question about it.
Speaker 1: But then they moved Spence to the other side, rolling
Speaker 1: up against Vidal, Alexander the other guys, and it was
Speaker 1: more than the same over there. Yeah, I mean it,
Speaker 1: Spence was just uh, he looked like a volcano ready
Speaker 1: to erupt. I mean, he was. And that's not a
Speaker 1: bad thing. We talked about, you know, Carson Wentz going
Speaker 1: out and competing. It was Spence. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: wound up so tight that you know he was picking
Speaker 1: fights with everyone. But that's all right. You want a competitor,
Speaker 1: you want a guy that even it's the first practice,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I love to see when guys are
Speaker 1: told to kind of tone it down a little. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like the Jaxonville coaches were like, okay, and then
Speaker 1: they let him keep going and okay, and then they
Speaker 1: break it up a little bit. Hey, calm down, but yeah,
Speaker 1: calm down, but okay, let's see you do it again. Exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about another guy over that North seen
Speaker 1: the South practice got my attention. It's it was Reggie Raglan.
Speaker 1: Pay you're gonna say that, yeah? And and Reggie Raglan
Speaker 1: though playing as an outside linebacker yeah, and which I
Speaker 1: think his choice too, Yeah, which I think was a smart,
Speaker 1: smart play on his part. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Because Reggie Raglan he was unblockable. Is that is that
Speaker 1: a word? Did I just make up a word? Football?
Speaker 1: Because if you try and type it, you laugh at
Speaker 1: me right time When when I type unblockable, you go,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Microsoft? Word doesn't think measurable as
Speaker 1: a word. Yeah, it doesn't need Okay, well, let me
Speaker 1: tell you this. He was unblockable when they did the
Speaker 1: one on one stuff with the running backs and having
Speaker 1: to deal with with Reggie Raglan rushing. He it was
Speaker 1: not the same Okay, we're gonna run over your type move.
Speaker 1: He had pass rushings and you could tell you could tell, oh,
Speaker 1: with with what they do with him at Alabama putting
Speaker 1: his hand on the ground and I the questions I
Speaker 1: had last week on the Draft show was, Hey, I
Speaker 1: need to see Reggie Raggling stand up and cover somebody cover.
Speaker 1: That's his weak spot. Yeah, because you never see him.
Speaker 1: But it's more improven than weakness. You know, we don't.
Speaker 1: We just don't know how well he could. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a bad phrasing. Well he he was. They didn't block him,
Speaker 1: so you guy, Yeah, well no, he's my guy because
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there going, you know, and he looks
Speaker 1: and he just looks the part you talk about, you know, loody,
Speaker 1: the lower body sickness, there's you just you watch him.
Speaker 1: His uniform is always dirty. You know, he's always in
Speaker 1: the middle of things. It's somebody is gonna get I
Speaker 1: think a great football player. I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a Dallas cowboy. May maybe I'm wrong, maybe they
Speaker 1: drag back whatever I mean, but yeah, but it is.
Speaker 1: But but I'll tell you what though, if you just
Speaker 1: want to talk about football players, Reggie Raggling is that guy,
Speaker 1: and I think he did himself. Why not play on
Speaker 1: the outside there? It's maybe some three four team. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he has the length. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has the length to be a three to
Speaker 1: four outside linebacker. Well, it's funny, and I know he
Speaker 1: plays Mike in a four to three in Dallas, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm well, I'm very familiar with Rolando mclin. Right.
Speaker 1: I got to talk to Reggie a little bit after
Speaker 1: the way in today and like he doesn't I mean not,
Speaker 1: he's an impressive athlete, but like it's not the same
Speaker 1: as Rolando mclin Like you're talking about two different guys. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, what what's he at Dane? Is he like
Speaker 1: six one six two? Reggie Ragland wighed in at six
Speaker 1: one two y two fifty nine. Rolando mcclain' is like
Speaker 1: six six, Like he's a gigantic users. Yeah, it's it,
Speaker 1: but it's impressive. I mean, so you're not talking you're
Speaker 1: probably not talking about the same caliber of athlete, but
Speaker 1: he's every bit as productive, which is impressive on his part.
Speaker 1: He thoughts about Sean Oakman and what anyway, and I
Speaker 1: was very big, yeah, like very sixty seven, two sixty seven,
Speaker 1: leaner than I thought. I mean, because he weighed in
Speaker 1: at six seven and a half but only two win
Speaker 1: or sixty nine pounds. Yeah, I have a very lean
Speaker 1: muscled um. And during crowd share it for him, but
Speaker 1: then he does some things in practice where it kind
Speaker 1: of reverts back to his old Yeah, Sean Oakman, dude,
Speaker 1: you're like, come on, dude. He needs to recognize the
Speaker 1: opportunity that he has with this pro coaching. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has played some left defensive end here, right, he
Speaker 1: has NFL coaches, you know, telling him what to do,
Speaker 1: instructing him. So for Sean Oakman, it's important to see
Speaker 1: that progression from day one to day two to day three. Today,
Speaker 1: he was constantly putting his head down. Coaches kept telling him,
Speaker 1: you know, raise your eye level, get your head up.
Speaker 1: He showed the ability to use that length at times,
Speaker 1: and that's what he needs to expand upon. You know,
Speaker 1: he has those long arms, use them, lockout, control the
Speaker 1: point of attack. We'll see if Oakman can continue to
Speaker 1: get better throughout the week. You know, I was already
Speaker 1: I'd already headed over to the North practice. And may
Speaker 1: I think you stay behind some talk about the Spencer
Speaker 1: Drago right from Baylor. Yeah, and and and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: and some of his work anything hop out. I mean
Speaker 1: I was following some people on Twitter as I was
Speaker 1: driving over and all that, and I didn't get to
Speaker 1: see any the extra I'm very safe. Well, no, I was.
Speaker 1: I was in the back seat. I'm driving this daisy,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those situations you're not driving old
Speaker 1: man scout. But yeah, but anything Stan, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know people were talking about it like he was throwing
Speaker 1: people around and stuff like that. Did you get that
Speaker 1: filling it along. He's strange because you look at him
Speaker 1: and he looks like a guard, just as I thought
Speaker 1: it was a guard, right. Yeah, And but there are
Speaker 1: some stamps and he has short of arms. I mean,
Speaker 1: well thirty two and I think three quarters, so I
Speaker 1: mean ideally you want thirty three. Uh so you know
Speaker 1: you were kind of thinking guard. But he held his
Speaker 1: own for the most part, and once he got his
Speaker 1: hands on you, I mean he showed power. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: he showed the ability to win at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: And so for drain Goo, I thought he did a
Speaker 1: nice job. He's playing primarily at right tackle today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. It was a guard. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I diagree. You're an LSU guy. I am as myself.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Jalen Mills was playing a little bit
Speaker 1: of corner Desoto's own instead of playing some safety. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good spot for him. He doesn't he's
Speaker 1: kind of a selective tackler. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: And but you know when you watch him play when
Speaker 1: he was working with Cash, you could really tell this
Speaker 1: on the drills when they would take him, they would
Speaker 1: peddle him and they would spin him. One was clearly
Speaker 1: finishing faster than the other one. And that's gonna be Cashes.
Speaker 1: You know, that's gonna be his We're talking about Cash,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Cash from Duke and you could watch him and
Speaker 1: he's gonna make every single tackle play down and be
Speaker 1: that guy. He's not a back player. But Mills and
Speaker 1: your thoughts about him from LSU. I think that maybe
Speaker 1: corner might be a spot for him. I could see that,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I feel like that's a tough transition
Speaker 1: if you haven't played it. But I like his athleticism
Speaker 1: more than I like his physicality. That's fair point right there.
Speaker 1: That's just my again, that's my impression from watching LSU football,
Speaker 1: not scouting the guy. He looks. It looks like a
Speaker 1: corner ray six foot one ninety four. Yea long. He's long.
Speaker 1: But he watched him at LSU play some out of
Speaker 1: the slot too. When teams try and spread him out,
Speaker 1: they go with the two safeties and they bring him
Speaker 1: in and let him just play. You know, he's kind
Speaker 1: of a Diamon Nicol monster. Guy on the South that
Speaker 1: really stood up to me was Jonathan Williams. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: oh good, somebody actually asked about him. He's he's been
Speaker 1: the forgotten prospect. You know. He over the summer, he
Speaker 1: was the top senior running back prospect, missed all this
Speaker 1: past year with a foot injury. We got a chance
Speaker 1: to see him today. He's limited this week, so we
Speaker 1: won't get to see him full go. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was standing next to a lot of the packers. Guys,
Speaker 1: he's dropping names now, No, that's they really wanted to
Speaker 1: find out about Jonathan Williams. They're not alone. A lot
Speaker 1: of team they didn't want to find out about Jonathan Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do, and that two fourteen tape is what you
Speaker 1: gotta go to on Jonathan Williams exactly. So anyway, all right, well,
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Speaker 1: how this uh Senior Bowl win off. So I want
Speaker 1: to get into some Twitter questions here, Dave, you said,
Speaker 1: we get some people that are chiming in, and so
Speaker 1: I will pass the baton. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: have the sounder for Twitter on the twenty Twitter Twitter.
Speaker 1: All right, there, we got that works, So Dave go ahead.
Speaker 1: Uh here's a good one. That's I mean, we got
Speaker 1: plenty on once questions, but we'll start with one. Curtis
Speaker 1: Rivera wants to know we talked a little bit Jalen
Speaker 1: Mills and maybe some other guys, any defensive backstand out
Speaker 1: on the first Gay Day. He's a Boise fan, so
Speaker 1: he's especially curious about Darry and Thompson. Yeah, but DB's
Speaker 1: in general. Tavon Young Temple corner. Sure, I had a
Speaker 1: nice day, fluid. I saw some sticky coverage from him,
Speaker 1: so I thought he helped himself. Um it really Phil
Speaker 1: Savage loves the small school corner does and so every
Speaker 1: year we see a lot of these small school corners here,
Speaker 1: and I thought we saw for a couple of them. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the jumping competition was was pretty big for
Speaker 1: some of them, and so, um, you know, we'll have
Speaker 1: to see how that goes throughout the week of practice.
Speaker 1: Talking about DeAndre Hall, the corner from Northern Iowa, who
Speaker 1: has humongous arms like thirty four and three quarters in charms,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, bigger than offensive tackles, Harlan Miller
Speaker 1: the Southeast Louisiana kid, and h Bradberry the Samford corners.
Speaker 1: So I think we want to see these smaller school
Speaker 1: corners see how they progressed throughout the week as they
Speaker 1: you know, face this competition and get acclimated. Did candidate
Speaker 1: do anything for you? He had a few nice plays,
Speaker 1: had a few you know, struggled a few other plays.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a mixed bag from him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See the thing about him and I love the length
Speaker 1: I've talked about this. He's the Virginia corner. The very
Speaker 1: first play he drives on the ball and a plant
Speaker 1: and knocked it down. Timing long strides, it was just
Speaker 1: bam and you're like, oh, here he goes. And then
Speaker 1: the next play they take him on a nine route
Speaker 1: and it's Struggles City. So he is not going to
Speaker 1: be fast. He has range as far as his range,
Speaker 1: as far as his build. If anything's in front him,
Speaker 1: anything he can drive on. I think he's gonna be outstanding.
Speaker 1: But we saw a double move against Notre Dame that
Speaker 1: ended up as a touchdown. And today they ran the
Speaker 1: UCLA kid Peyton ran a nine route on him and
Speaker 1: caught a touchdown. So yeah, there's some there's some things,
Speaker 1: but I agree with you about I was sometimes these
Speaker 1: the small school corners, you know, they it's gonna take
Speaker 1: him a day or so to feel more comfortable, and
Speaker 1: tonight they'll get some coach and they'll go through the tape.
Speaker 1: Coaches will point out, hey, you need to think about
Speaker 1: your technique. Gonna tell you to do this, this is
Speaker 1: what you need to do. So anyway, yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with you on your corners. There. Dave Jake wants to know,
Speaker 1: and I guess I mean, we'll throw out Braxton Miller
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this mid round wide receivers who
Speaker 1: might have impressed you today And I we've talked a
Speaker 1: guy that I noticed was Sharp, who we've talked about
Speaker 1: on here before. But yeah, Mass Yeah, and by the way,
Speaker 1: his hands get bigger hands all of a sudden, by
Speaker 1: the combine, they're gonna be nine and a half, I hope.
Speaker 1: So last week of the Shrine game, they were seven
Speaker 1: and three quarters. Today they were eight. Ye, get bigger
Speaker 1: hands him. Yeah, that's we're all about. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though, you're right, Uh, we've the kid from Peyton
Speaker 1: from you still. And what they did on the North
Speaker 1: team is they put him in the slot some I
Speaker 1: mean they did. They moved in both sides vertical routes
Speaker 1: we talked about. He had some incut routes that he
Speaker 1: was able to run, but played him out of the slot.
Speaker 1: I thought that showed a lot though, the fact that
Speaker 1: they moved him around, you know in this scheme and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys scheme that you can Hey, he showed he
Speaker 1: could play on that left side, right side, but he
Speaker 1: could also play in the slot. I thought he had
Speaker 1: some good catches, so I tracked the ball pretty well
Speaker 1: when I was talking about with candidate on that vertical
Speaker 1: route where he made the touchdown, made the diving catch there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I haven't seen him. I haven't
Speaker 1: studied him. I don't know on your board where you know,
Speaker 1: even if he's on your radar as far as that
Speaker 1: type of a guy anything like, he's a late rounder
Speaker 1: for me. Um And it's it's hard not to include
Speaker 1: Braxton in this conversation because he was, clear cut, clear
Speaker 1: cut the top wide receiver. I only left him out
Speaker 1: because we've dedicated so much time to him. Exactly. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I think he could be in the first
Speaker 1: or second round pick. Maybe. Oh, Dane's got him right though, folks,
Speaker 1: Dane told you last week on the Draft Show he's
Speaker 1: not getting out the top sixties exactly. If Philip Dorset
Speaker 1: can go in the first round last year, I don't
Speaker 1: see why Braxton Miller cans. I'm not ruling out first round.
Speaker 1: We'll have to see how, you know, the process goes.
Speaker 1: But Leonte Carew, the Rutgers player receiver, I like him,
Speaker 1: you know, he's I think he's one of the probably
Speaker 1: a borderline top five senior receiver in this class. I
Speaker 1: see a smaller golden Tate. Didn't have a great day
Speaker 1: to day. Too many drop passes, uh, you know a
Speaker 1: few from Wins that were on target, right. I think
Speaker 1: that's what kind of hurt wins a little bit times
Speaker 1: when you want to say, whoa wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: got to catch that ball for him? Absolutely, so Carew
Speaker 1: I want to see. I need to see bigger things
Speaker 1: from him moving forward. But I do think you know,
Speaker 1: Burbridge and Carew I think are in that mix, you know,
Speaker 1: top five senior wide receivers kind of you know on
Speaker 1: the cusp there. Yeah, I was kind of hoping that Sharp.
Speaker 1: You know, I was hoping that he would stay. The
Speaker 1: film from you, Mass I think is very good and
Speaker 1: that is against Matt competition. Well there's sometimes, but they
Speaker 1: played Temple right and you know what, he makes some
Speaker 1: play So I give the man due but absolutely, but
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, I will again, let's see what tomorrow brings,
Speaker 1: maybe even Thursday for somebody to say, and let's see
Speaker 1: what the game does as well. And with Taja Sharp,
Speaker 1: it goes back to last week for me seeing him
Speaker 1: at the East West Shrine game. He wasn't the most impressive.
Speaker 1: I mean the Temple wide receiver impressed me more a
Speaker 1: few other guys. Sou Definitely for Taja Sharp. He's got
Speaker 1: this great opportunity to be in front of scouts again.
Speaker 1: You know, let's see him make the most of it. Dave,
Speaker 1: I'll say this one thing, and nobody on the South team.
Speaker 1: I'm not using correct English there, I'm sure, but I
Speaker 1: was not impressed with anybody on the South team when
Speaker 1: it came to receivers. I thought they were all smallish.
Speaker 1: It seems like we have the better draw with the receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they had the better defensive lineman. This this is
Speaker 1: gonna be if you could get the ball out, hey, Carson,
Speaker 1: have fun. Yeah, exactly. We'll see how tough Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: really is in this football. The South team does have
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd Oklahoma is a good receiver. But no love
Speaker 1: for jay Lee. Huh. A bunch of people in Waco
Speaker 1: don't like you right now? No, jay Lee, you know
Speaker 1: for a guy that's not really I mean, Corey Coleman
Speaker 1: gets all the love a lot of receivers, but jay Lee.
Speaker 1: Actually I thought he did a nice job. He saw,
Speaker 1: you know, quick release off the line, h long arms.
Speaker 1: I thought he did okay today definitely, you know, caught
Speaker 1: my attention where I want to see more the rest
Speaker 1: of the week. See that just I need to pay
Speaker 1: better attention because I felt didn't feel like though watching
Speaker 1: the receivers and and my guy, Jerry Sullivan's coach at Jackson,
Speaker 1: he coaches them up, and I didn't see when you're old,
Speaker 1: you can do that. It's fair. Yeah, all right, you're
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to run out
Speaker 1: of time on the segment, and I want to I
Speaker 1: want I want to get to this because I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the guy. Um. So you guys have both
Speaker 1: covered plenty of these Brian, you especially have been around
Speaker 1: for a long time. Like, what do you make of this?
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz hype that the way? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: a month and a half ago, the average football fan
Speaker 1: had never heard of this guy, and now we're talking
Speaker 1: about him top ten, top five. Uh somebo Gary was talking,
Speaker 1: you know, is he over hyped or is he for real? Uh?
Speaker 1: Michael wants to know. I mean, do you see that
Speaker 1: sustaining itself? I mean, obviously that depends on his performance
Speaker 1: and things like that, but what do you make of
Speaker 1: this compared to the other years and other quarterbacks. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's too early for this hype to come. You know,
Speaker 1: you want to slowly build and gain that momentum as
Speaker 1: a process goes along. We're still three months from the
Speaker 1: draft and Carson Wentz we're being talking about him as
Speaker 1: a possible, ready and getting ready for all the whole exactly.
Speaker 1: This thing is the balloon with everybody with an ice
Speaker 1: pick in their hand, right yeah, just ready to pop that.
Speaker 1: So it's not like he came out of nowhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about him and it's he's such an
Speaker 1: interesting prospect because he missed a second half of the
Speaker 1: year with a wrist in He's from an FCS school,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's not like he you know, went
Speaker 1: to Alabama or an SEC school or a top program
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, we're just catching
Speaker 1: up to how good he is. You know, he's always
Speaker 1: been on the radar, but now you know, seeing him
Speaker 1: live at the FCS Championship game that you know, to me,
Speaker 1: I had him in that early second round. I thought
Speaker 1: the Cowboys might have a chance for him that early
Speaker 1: second seeing him live that secured first round I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: this this gets the first round pick. He's not falling
Speaker 1: out of the top thirty two. But you don't see
Speaker 1: him as a top four player. No, But when you're
Speaker 1: talking about these quarterbacks, all bets are off because you know,
Speaker 1: on my board, he's what twelfth, But you know, when
Speaker 1: if you need a quarterback, it's not like you're gonna
Speaker 1: wait until the twelfth pick to take him. I mean,
Speaker 1: are there better players in front of him? Yes, there are,
Speaker 1: but quarters and quarterback is king and in reality, quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you can't put on your board because or you know,
Speaker 1: your your overall board, because they just carry different value
Speaker 1: than other positions. Would you be terrified if you had
Speaker 1: to pick him? No, I mean at four? Yeah? Terrified? No?
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, I'm worried a little bit, but I'm
Speaker 1: not terrified. I mean, what we saw today, but you
Speaker 1: have him as your second best quarterback, right, Yeah? But
Speaker 1: I still think he's a you know, a top He's
Speaker 1: twelve on my board, so obviously I think enough of
Speaker 1: him to put him in my top fifteen. So I
Speaker 1: think he's a darn good player. So I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: scared to take him that early. But you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: I think that there could be a better way to go,
Speaker 1: very diplomatic. I liked it. No, I you know, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: you're talking to the guy that says, hey, if that
Speaker 1: tag is up there on the top of that board,
Speaker 1: if you determine that Carson wentz as you're one of
Speaker 1: your top four players on that board and his tags there,
Speaker 1: and you don't take him, that's on you. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: on you. I'm I'm worried about somebody forcing a pick here. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: how can you not be you know what, this is
Speaker 1: a great thing. Maybe, And I'm not just talking about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, right, I'm talking about I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: in general. But I I think they're better players than now.
Speaker 1: If you if you're asking me about Golf or Lynch,
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm I'm going a different direction. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I and I like Lynch better than anybody in
Speaker 1: this panel. We have anybody in this show. And he's
Speaker 1: your top quarterback, right, Yeah, he's my top guy. And
Speaker 1: there's other there are several in the NFL community who
Speaker 1: agree with you. And that's the one thing about this
Speaker 1: draft class that people need to realize. There is no
Speaker 1: consensus on these quarterbacks, and that's what scares me. Some
Speaker 1: teams will like Golf, someone like Wentz, someone like Lynch.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of two years ago the twenty fourteen draft.
Speaker 1: Some really like Bordles, some really like Bridgewater. I mean
Speaker 1: there was oh yeah, Car, there wasn't that consensus number
Speaker 1: one guy. And that's fine. I don't think there needs
Speaker 1: to be a census. But you know, you better, you
Speaker 1: know nail these quarterbacks and they're they're different because they different,
Speaker 1: they need different things. You look at Golf, I think
Speaker 1: he's a little more pro ready. With Wentz and Lynch,
Speaker 1: ideally you'd like to see them sit a little bit
Speaker 1: and in Dallas they'd be afforded that opportunity. Hopefully as
Speaker 1: long as you know, Tony stays healthy. So it where
Speaker 1: these guys end up their fit the offense, whether or
Speaker 1: not they're pressed in action right away, goes a long
Speaker 1: way to determining, you know, they're how they end up
Speaker 1: their success. This hype train has too much steam right now,
Speaker 1: something yeah, something, Well eventually, what I'll happen is the
Speaker 1: media driving it all. And then but the media then
Speaker 1: catches up with the scouts. Sure that's the one thing
Speaker 1: about the Draft show that we've tried to do is,
Speaker 1: you know, is investigate and educate, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Don't don't feel like that. You know, there's somebody laying
Speaker 1: the cold of this train and then eventually it's gonna
Speaker 1: be whoa, wait a minute, this thing is off the tracks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I think we all like the player,
Speaker 1: but I think we need to be a little bit
Speaker 1: cautious about what we're getting into here. Dane laid it
Speaker 1: out perfect, and I know Blake Bortles is off to
Speaker 1: a pretty solid career for a third pick overall, but
Speaker 1: when there's no consensus like that, that's what scares me
Speaker 1: off of picking a quarterback in the top five. Like
Speaker 1: I want there to be a little more consensus than
Speaker 1: we have right now. And he mentioned Derek Carr, who's
Speaker 1: going to a Pro Bowl, was taking what thirty third overall,
Speaker 1: second round. I feel a lot better about that. I
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about, you know, getting a guy
Speaker 1: at thirty four, and you know, you can't predict if
Speaker 1: it's going to work out that way, but that you
Speaker 1: know if they're if you're not, If there's not a
Speaker 1: sizeable contingent of people that are sold on this guy spending.
Speaker 1: Who's the guy you would take because you have Tony Romo,
Speaker 1: But again maybe for two years. Yeah, if if that,
Speaker 1: if that, and that doesn't. I don't think that matters
Speaker 1: for me because I'm taking the best quarterback. Yeah, whoever
Speaker 1: I think is the best quarterback is gonna be my pick,
Speaker 1: regardless if he's gonna play next year or two years
Speaker 1: from I agree with that, But it's probably fair to say,
Speaker 1: like maybe Jared Goff or maybe Jared Goff is the
Speaker 1: better guy to start right away, and maybe Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is the best fit for a guy that has to
Speaker 1: sit for a long term. Would you would you be
Speaker 1: shocked if if Cleveland took a WinCE at two? No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not, because Cleveland he's a quarterback. And if you
Speaker 1: believe that Wentz is your guy, you know whom I
Speaker 1: would argue because he might be the top quarterback in
Speaker 1: this class. I mean, you know, we we obviously like him.
Speaker 1: I mean, and ye would it surprise you if three
Speaker 1: years from now, uh you know, he said to do
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl. It wouldn't surprise me. I know exactly.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I wouldn't be surprised at all
Speaker 1: of Cleveland falls in love with him and takes him.
Speaker 1: I two, same thing with Goff and really the same
Speaker 1: thing with Lynch. I mean, again, there's no consensus on
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, and so for a team that needs a quarterback,
Speaker 1: it just depends on who they think is the top guy.
Speaker 1: And you know how early are they willing to take him.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, you couldn't drive and nail up
Speaker 1: my rear at four if you had to take him.
Speaker 1: That is a drop. I mean seriously, I would sit
Speaker 1: there and I would you know, that's the one. Is
Speaker 1: that the one you're always talking about, the team in
Speaker 1: front of you takes him. Yeah, I mean you know
Speaker 1: you're just you're just singing, You're going, please please san Diego,
Speaker 1: please san Diego, let this cup pass. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, did that dude? You're like going, Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's the whole about not window dressing your board. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: but absolutely, But I'll say it again, if if a
Speaker 1: quarterback tag is on the top of their board, when
Speaker 1: their time comes, they need to take a quarterback. This
Speaker 1: is it's arbitrary and it doesn't mean anything. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. We were talking to Steven Jones
Speaker 1: tonight and somebody was asking about, you know, he's FCS,
Speaker 1: he's only started twenty three games and that scary you
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Stephen said no. And the comparison that
Speaker 1: they that got brought up was Joe Flacco, which you know,
Speaker 1: if you're getting Joe Flacco, I think most people would
Speaker 1: be pretty pleased with that one. I hadn't even I
Speaker 1: hadn't considered that, you know where right, let's just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: the FCS comparison, although you know, he did start at pit.
Speaker 1: He started a pit and transferred over. But yeah, the FCS. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a top twenty pick from the FCS, so
Speaker 1: you know, Wentz. Assuming he goes top twenty, it's not
Speaker 1: completely unheard of for an FCS quarterback to go that
Speaker 1: high at all. What Uh, that was a good one
Speaker 1: from from coach. That's a good question though, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean and obviously, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk more about whence. I'm positive, Um wants to know coach,
Speaker 1: he said, coach, Yes, coach, I think coach Hudson, Oh,
Speaker 1: coach good? Yeah, Um, he wants to know about linebackers
Speaker 1: on this North team obviously, like Ragland is the guy,
Speaker 1: but he's not on the Cowboys team, right, So maybe
Speaker 1: some linebackers that have stood out to you, I know.
Speaker 1: Uh And I talked to one of the scouts today,
Speaker 1: Um Showberth Showbirth from Wisconsin, Joe Schobert. Yeah, ye Shobert.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. He caught my eye once or twice. Um.
Speaker 1: And and considering, yeah, I think the linebacker talent is
Speaker 1: mostly on the other roster. My favorite guy is Facral
Speaker 1: from from That is your guy, yeah, week, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my favorite guy. When you talk about linebackers, I don't
Speaker 1: think he fits in surprise. He was two forty four
Speaker 1: today's two fifty little players. Yeah, he's leaner to Honestly,
Speaker 1: when I see Kyle Facroll, I want to make him
Speaker 1: a tight end receiver. He does. He looks like a
Speaker 1: big receiver. He's an athlete and he can catch them
Speaker 1: though that you can't. Yeah, he can't. But those long
Speaker 1: strides also worry me a little bit because it, you know,
Speaker 1: it can hinder him in small spaces to you know,
Speaker 1: to break down and finish. Um. I'd love to see
Speaker 1: him a tight end because he's got the ball skills,
Speaker 1: but no, he is such a rangy player, such an
Speaker 1: athlete for that size. Uh, you know, we've seen him
Speaker 1: dropping coverage, we've seen him rush, We've seen him do
Speaker 1: it all at Utah State. And so do you think
Speaker 1: he is he a primarily a three four player? Do
Speaker 1: you think you know he'd fit in the well, he'd
Speaker 1: be a Sam linebacker, and then you know he would
Speaker 1: be he would be a better Kyle Wilbur. It's it's disappointed,
Speaker 1: like I'm just I don't Wilber rushes, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: rush this well. I don't allow myself to get excited
Speaker 1: by tweeners because they fit so much better in in
Speaker 1: three four schemes. You know, like this, this guy he
Speaker 1: could be a monster in a three to four, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna And that's the problem
Speaker 1: because the Sam linebacker in the scheme is in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys scheme, is not the most important linebacker. And I
Speaker 1: can't imagine them ever spending. But if you figure out, well, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe this guy can rush, well even still, the guy
Speaker 1: can rush, even if he's a good rusher, and obviously
Speaker 1: if he's amazing, you find a way to make it work.
Speaker 1: But even in that situation, it's probably only going to
Speaker 1: be in certain circumstances. You know, It's not like he's
Speaker 1: gonna be coming every down rusher from the same love
Speaker 1: the guy. I love him too, And there were guys
Speaker 1: last year that I liked that fit that same role.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's harder to squeeze those types
Speaker 1: of guys into this scheme as opposed to other ones.
Speaker 1: Another linebacker in the North squad that I like to
Speaker 1: Josh Perry, Yeah, its not bad. The Ohio State not bad.
Speaker 1: The other Ohio State guy, Uh, good looking kid, physical,
Speaker 1: looks like a defensive endure. But he moves moving around
Speaker 1: out there, moves more like a safety. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's rangy. Uh. You know, we saw him, you know,
Speaker 1: the change of direction, the redirection. He moves pretty well.
Speaker 1: And we've then on tape with his with his coverage ability.
Speaker 1: So I think Josh Perry can be a three down
Speaker 1: linebacker and that's why he's in my top sixty. I
Speaker 1: think he's a second round player. But if he's there,
Speaker 1: it'say early third round. I mean, that'd be a heck
Speaker 1: of a pick. That would be a heck of a pick.
Speaker 1: David got anything else over there? Uh? Yeah. A couple
Speaker 1: of people have asked, and just for the record, Cowboys fans,
Speaker 1: his name is Nick Martin. He's not Zack Martin's brother.
Speaker 1: They calling him Zach. He's gotting. Oh, they're asking, how's
Speaker 1: Zach Martin's brother doing. He's got his own name. His
Speaker 1: name is Nick. But several people have been curious about
Speaker 1: what's he looked like? What can you expect from him?
Speaker 1: How's he doing? You know it to me, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the strength of Zach right, he doesn't have that
Speaker 1: ability to get in and push and make things happen.
Speaker 1: He's plays on his feet. He's a getting away guy.
Speaker 1: He can reach guys. Now, the question I have for
Speaker 1: you and you too, Dave Hilm, and I'll bring you
Speaker 1: in on this. Oh. I appreciate that because of because
Speaker 1: of what to deal is with McKenzie, Bernardo sets an
Speaker 1: inner free agency. Would you would you consider because because
Speaker 1: Nick Martin is a center, would you consider drafting a
Speaker 1: Nick Martin? Keeping Mit your primary as your backup center,
Speaker 1: but teaching to play guard? Well? And he played guard
Speaker 1: last year or yeah, last year two years ago? He
Speaker 1: played guards play and he's listed at guard on the ross,
Speaker 1: but we've seen him on center in this tape. In
Speaker 1: practice today he only played center, But no, I think
Speaker 1: he can play guard at the next level. I love
Speaker 1: the way he's even just similar to his brother. He
Speaker 1: always able to stay square. It's so important for offensive
Speaker 1: lineman stay square to your target. But you're right, he's
Speaker 1: not as not as physically gifted as Zach, but he's
Speaker 1: technically sound. I mean, he's the character, it's it's all there.
Speaker 1: Similar as his brother, he's just not quite as physically
Speaker 1: gifted and sound. Yeah, third round. If it's the third round,
Speaker 1: I'm on board because I was gonna say, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to spend too high of a resource on a
Speaker 1: guy that you're drafting to be a flexible backup basically,
Speaker 1: I mean, but if something yeah, but you know, but
Speaker 1: he could he could be that guy displacing your all
Speaker 1: pro guard and you're all pro center. Or is he
Speaker 1: displacing your freak show. No, no, No, he's tough guard. Yeah. Probably,
Speaker 1: Third is probably too rich to spending. You're talking about
Speaker 1: spending a top seventy pick on a guy that you
Speaker 1: don't really expect to take. It's selling me it's telling
Speaker 1: me wanted to draft a Gavin Escobar, right, you could,
Speaker 1: well you could also. Um, I mean, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to help looking into the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Travis Fredericks only got two years left on his deal.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking of right there. What if
Speaker 1: they don't This is for a whole another day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know we're getting into we get a whole another day.
Speaker 1: But but if but if they don't want to pay
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. Sure, yeah, all of a sudden, it's like
Speaker 1: you right, you walk. He's a plug in, plug and play.
Speaker 1: Here we go. He's been in, he's been with you
Speaker 1: now for two years. What is Jason Garrett Love position flex? Right?
Speaker 1: So if you're telling me I can get a guy
Speaker 1: who can do both, well, yeah, I'm all about it.
Speaker 1: So it's would be worth the third round pick. And
Speaker 1: maybe that scares me. Yeah, he's a little too early.
Speaker 1: I mean we're still talking, you know, so far in
Speaker 1: the future. I think between the duo one or you
Speaker 1: between all right, we're getting away from draft, but between
Speaker 1: the duo of Bernardo and Leary, I think one of
Speaker 1: them is here in twenty sixteen, and then either you
Speaker 1: either have Bernardo or Zach Martin can back up fun
Speaker 1: anything else? Whatever? Um, do I have anything else? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. That's it. Hang on. Let me said our
Speaker 1: last break and come back and wrap it up there. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, question, yeah, all right, we'll we'll take a
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Speaker 1: Draft Show from a mobile Alabama, from Kent's hotel room. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, Kent Garrison, our executive producer, did a
Speaker 1: fine job of putting all this together to get us
Speaker 1: on to where we can broadcast, as we said, tonight
Speaker 1: and then Tomorrow night and then Thursday night, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna let Dane Burglar go home and Dave and
Speaker 1: Kent and I are going to stay and watch the
Speaker 1: game and cover it for Dallas Cowboys dot Com And
Speaker 1: before we know it, we'll be at the combine doing this.
Speaker 1: So Oliver again, Yeah, how about that? Wait? How long?
Speaker 1: How long before the combine another month February twenty well
Speaker 1: less than a month watching some players, there we go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but thanks to Kent for putting all this together,
Speaker 1: and thank you out there for all your questions, your
Speaker 1: Twitter questions. Sorry we can't take any calls tonight. We
Speaker 1: just don't have the capability. But we're just trying to
Speaker 1: get things the best we can here. So, um, Dave,
Speaker 1: before I went to break as, I thought, maybe is
Speaker 1: there any other question? I just I don't want to
Speaker 1: anybody hanging out there on some questions. I got a
Speaker 1: couple more. Um, John wants to know and he's kind
Speaker 1: of becoming one of our darling guys, so like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about him too much, but at
Speaker 1: the same time we need to talk about him. But
Speaker 1: John or what's that John? Or well we like John too,
Speaker 1: We like all our listeners. But um, Austin Johnson he
Speaker 1: all and well, there we go. Penn State guys in general.
Speaker 1: Karl Nassas obviously part of that, but boy he played
Speaker 1: better today too, and nice day to day. What has
Speaker 1: Brian brought us spent scouting? My god, you didn't like
Speaker 1: NASA when you saw him, not initially? No, No, I didn't,
Speaker 1: and you know, I thought it was a try hard
Speaker 1: guy and he is that. Yeah, he just trash around
Speaker 1: and oh he gets blind and you know, and then
Speaker 1: you watch him played Decker and Decker knocks him in
Speaker 1: the next week and I'm like, okay. And then today
Speaker 1: he plays left in nice pass rush, plays right in
Speaker 1: nice pass rush and constantly just you know, another nice player.
Speaker 1: So interesting because he didn't start a single game in
Speaker 1: his career until this season, not even high school. He
Speaker 1: didn't start, wow, And so that's amazing. He had so
Speaker 1: much to learn. He's a late bloomer. He showed up
Speaker 1: at like, you know, two hundred pounds when he went
Speaker 1: to Penn State, a walk on, and so just a
Speaker 1: late bloomer really coming into his own as a player.
Speaker 1: And I think we've we've seen that. But you know,
Speaker 1: back to Austin Johnson. I thought he had a nice
Speaker 1: practice today. Uh. He just he knows how to find
Speaker 1: the ball. He's instinctive on the line. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: finds the ball and he goes and gets it. He's
Speaker 1: not the most rangy player, but the short area quickness,
Speaker 1: the ball wearing this uh, and the power is there.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's gonna make uh some team very happy.
Speaker 1: He has a one technique six h four three three
Speaker 1: twenty three. He carries it well, yeah, he doesn't. He
Speaker 1: doesn't look bad. Me and old dude. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: walk behind him, it's like you walk, you kept to
Speaker 1: kind of look around him. He's that kind of a
Speaker 1: white guy. And this is a player who he thought
Speaker 1: he'd be playing basketball. Yeah, that's that's that's where his
Speaker 1: pro career was gonna go. And so you know he's
Speaker 1: an athlete. Um, but at the same time, he does
Speaker 1: carry this weight really well. It's not the field, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And he finds the ball. It's not just some of
Speaker 1: these guys can get up the field, but they don't
Speaker 1: know where they're going. This guy has a compass and
Speaker 1: it's pointed to the ball at all times. A very
Speaker 1: good player. Austin Johnson. The big question for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is will he last to that early second round or not.
Speaker 1: That's something we'll be asking see the next few months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the question. I mean, And I look
Speaker 1: at there's there's several one techniques in this track. It's
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and nobody likes one. These guys especially don't
Speaker 1: like one doesn't like well, it likes Nick Hayden, he
Speaker 1: doesn't like any other one. Drawn Reid had a nice
Speaker 1: day to day the Alabama defensive tackle. I'm just imagining
Speaker 1: Brian sitting in that studio in three or four months
Speaker 1: and you know, and the Panthers are on the clock,
Speaker 1: and the Broncos, who else the you know, the pack
Speaker 1: twenty seven, you know, twenty five through twenty nine. Brian's
Speaker 1: just got his pen and he's just going, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, Ted Thompson, don't do it. That's and you
Speaker 1: want to hear me, You want to hear me curse
Speaker 1: on the air. Yeah, And somebody takes you just throw
Speaker 1: your pen and then that's what I just I just
Speaker 1: chucked my I pull a tom cough And they picked
Speaker 1: the phone up and just throw it against the wall.
Speaker 1: He did that one time. Who got taken? Who was
Speaker 1: the guy? It was? Uh? Oh, it happened to be
Speaker 1: Uh how about this? It was Curtis Enis running back
Speaker 1: and he ended up taking Fred Taylor. That's he throws
Speaker 1: the phone against the wall. Curtis Enis and then and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he has to take Fred Taylor.
Speaker 1: And it's like that in itself is like the microcosmim
Speaker 1: of the draft, Like you're you're so mad that you
Speaker 1: lose out on a bust that you throw a phone
Speaker 1: and you draft and you don't know pro bowler, Yeah, Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: Jaguar Hall of Fame, nothing else there um because if
Speaker 1: Eddie Eddie wants to know, Uh, you guys talked about
Speaker 1: Spence kind of setting the church best pass rusher in
Speaker 1: the draft. Was there anybody like that? He said, defensively,
Speaker 1: but was there anybody like that for the North in
Speaker 1: the second practice today? Just kind of somebody that you
Speaker 1: were like, this guy's not playing around, and well that
Speaker 1: was our that was our guy. Nasa Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing around. He was he was rushing the
Speaker 1: passer and you're like, going, that's what he is. Hey,
Speaker 1: By the way, our Stanford tackle is it Murphy? Murphy
Speaker 1: had a really day and you start and you figure
Speaker 1: Stanford would have some guys that could. It's always funny
Speaker 1: with these Stanford guys because you watch them on tape
Speaker 1: and they're tough and they're rugged, and then they come
Speaker 1: here and you know, you take them out of their element,
Speaker 1: and you know, Murphy had what a thirty two inch
Speaker 1: arms disappointing there, and then the practice didn't go as
Speaker 1: well as you would hope. So I had this whole
Speaker 1: tackle class. I still have hope for Spriggs. Indiana attack
Speaker 1: had a couple of nice reps did But besides Spriggs,
Speaker 1: the rest of these offensive tackles, it's a mess. There
Speaker 1: isn't much there. So if you need an offensive tackle
Speaker 1: in this group, not much there. Okay, with h M
Speaker 1: throwing my boy Dylan in there, just he was out
Speaker 1: there popping people. I like that. I don't know how
Speaker 1: good he action he is now there, I don't know
Speaker 1: how good he actually is, but he was hidden. We'll
Speaker 1: let you. We'll get back to Valley Ranch. We'll watch him.
Speaker 1: We'll start watch him because I need to do him too. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've go. We got a few more minutes to go
Speaker 1: before we have to wrap up our show for this evening.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to tomorrow, practice has been backed up. We're
Speaker 1: getting some weather that's coming through. Yeah, mobile tonight and
Speaker 1: then early tomorrow morning. So the North practice will lead
Speaker 1: us off at noon and then the South practice will
Speaker 1: be at two thirty, so it'll be thirty minutes between practices.
Speaker 1: So just hang with us on Twitter and flurry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an all day sucker, as they say, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: it should free up our morning to provide some content
Speaker 1: for exactly. So, Yeah, make sure you check out Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com and then also check out Dane stuff
Speaker 1: on CBS Sports. Just going into tomorrow, some guys had
Speaker 1: some questionable days, some guys had some good days. A
Speaker 1: thought or two and maybe what we'll see tomorrow. Well,
Speaker 1: and with these All Star games, the most important thing
Speaker 1: is just you want to see guys get better. And
Speaker 1: you know, you listen to what the coaches are saying
Speaker 1: to these players and how did these players react. Are
Speaker 1: they making the proper adjustments and you know, taking what
Speaker 1: the coaches are telling them and applying it to their
Speaker 1: game and showing that in practice. So, you know, Braxon
Speaker 1: Miller returning these punts, Carson Wentz, uh, you know, they
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with Carson, you know, just
Speaker 1: talking to him about the offense and timing and different things.
Speaker 1: And so you know, especially with these quarterbacks, especially with Wentz,
Speaker 1: want to see the improvement from day to day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think you're absolutely right that that I
Speaker 1: thought he was a little anxious today. I thought he
Speaker 1: was a little tried, a little too much. You know,
Speaker 1: I have feeling that Wade Wilson will get him in
Speaker 1: that meeting room tonight and say, okay, hey, just calm
Speaker 1: down a little bit, is what we're gonna do, and
Speaker 1: then away they'll go, Dave anything you got from your end, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, Wentz is the obvious one. And then you know,
Speaker 1: now that we're getting into full pads, he might see
Speaker 1: a little bit more football. I'm intrigued by. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: intrigued by Kenneth Dixon. Yeah, I thought he looked good today.
Speaker 1: Just do you like your either? I like that, So
Speaker 1: I want to see some more of him. Hopefully he
Speaker 1: gets to get in the mix and actually maybe break
Speaker 1: some tackles and do some stuff like that. So that'll
Speaker 1: be fine. And then you know, me personally, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling the big dog Jerry Jones is going to
Speaker 1: talk to us tomorrow. So yeah, makes you check that out.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talk today, He's on up on the website
Speaker 1: and hopefully Ken I don't know if I'm speaking out
Speaker 1: of turn talking to you, maybe some Senior Bowl Live tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Maybe perhaps if there're some one on ones we could make. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if there's some one on one today, we'll definitely hit that. Yeah, we'll.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said in post game press conference or post
Speaker 1: practice press conference that he understands how important one on
Speaker 1: ones are, So I guarantee in the full pads tomorrow
Speaker 1: we'll see some one on ones. We'll see some nine
Speaker 1: on seven. So hopefully I can get down on the field.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll grab Dame Brugler if he's available or so
Speaker 1: it's competitive, yeah, yeah, and we'll we'll give you well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be. And you know what we can do. We
Speaker 1: can show the whole scheme. We don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about this scheme. We can show you some schemes. So
Speaker 1: all right, Well that'll do it for the Draft show tonight.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody out there for hanging out with us. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. We all appreciate you. We thank you for
Speaker 1: all of your Twitter messages and questions and all that
Speaker 1: that makes it all go. Here. For my buddies, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: for Dane Bruglon, Brian Brusson, also for Kent Garrison, our
Speaker 1: executive producer, thank you again and we will see you
Speaker 1: probably again. We'll tweet out the time, but six thirty
Speaker 1: seems to be a time that works for everybody, so
Speaker 1: we'll be back Thursday night. So make sure you're checking
Speaker 1: out Dane's work on CBS Sports and then all our
Speaker 1: work on Dallas Cowboys dot com, and we'll see you
Speaker 1: tomorrow