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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode two nine two and it's an emergency podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Brad Roland and I'm joined on this

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Speaker 1: Monday emergency edition by Scott Coleman. Scott, I think it's

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Speaker 1: safe to say that today was a weird day and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of surprising, but the Braves have it manager.

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Speaker 2: How are you hello, Brad? It is officially a new

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Speaker 2: era for the Atlanta Braves. I don't know if it

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Speaker 2: was necessarily the direction that we all thought the team

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Speaker 2: was going to go as recently as even twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours ago, but here we are, Walt Weiss, the new

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Speaker 2: manager for the Atlanta Braves. So we have so much

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Speaker 2: to talk about on the show today.

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Speaker 1: We certainly do, and if you're new to the podcast,

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Speaker 1: Take two seconds to smash the subscribe button as you're

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Speaker 1: watching this video, But yeah, like you said, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to get to. Walt Weiss is now the forty

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Speaker 1: ninth manager in franchise history for the Braves, as they

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Speaker 1: announced today. I'm sixty one year old, has been the

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Speaker 1: Braves bench coach since twenty eighteen, so been around for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Played for the Braves famously in and

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Speaker 1: the Youth for you and I anyway, we're both young

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Speaker 1: when that happened, and also has managerial experience. Was the

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Speaker 1: Rockies manager for three years. Did not have success with

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Speaker 1: the Rockies. But I will be the first to say

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Speaker 1: that's not really on the manager usually with the Rockies.

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Speaker 1: That's an organizational mess happening there and has been there

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Speaker 1: for a long time. So I mean, what's the start

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Speaker 1: air Scott, we kind of already danced around it a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but this was not necessarily on our rad

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Speaker 1: I was on our radar. He was a candidate the

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Speaker 1: whole time. But between the reporting and the way that

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Speaker 1: the winds were blowing, I was surprised for sure that

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Speaker 1: this happened. Beyond a surprise because you're already alluded to

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Speaker 1: that too. What is your big picture take? We'll go

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Speaker 1: deeper as we would on this deep that episode, but like,

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Speaker 1: what's your big picture take and reaction to what wise

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Speaker 2: It was underwhelming, was my true Like if I was

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Speaker 2: doing a live podcast with you and I saw the

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Speaker 2: tweet come across in real time, I truly think I

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Speaker 2: would have said, well, this is underwhelming because throughout the

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Speaker 2: process we heard the names of some younger, kind of

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Speaker 2: more forward thinking managers who had our manager candidates who

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Speaker 2: did not really have affiliations with the Braves, And after

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Speaker 2: the retirement of Brian Snitker and after a bad season,

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Speaker 2: it felt like this team was at a crossroads where

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Speaker 2: it naturally made sense to go to an entirely new voice,

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Speaker 2: not someone who's been around the organization for years, not

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Speaker 2: someone who's familiar with Brian Sticker and Alex Santhopolis and

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Speaker 2: the front office. This was the opportunity to start truly

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Speaker 2: a new era. And while it is a new era

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Speaker 2: because you have a new manager, it kind of feels

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Speaker 2: like Snitker two point zero. Now let's say it off

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Speaker 2: the top Brat. At the end of the day, managers

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Speaker 2: are judged by wins and losses and how far you

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Speaker 2: go into October. As long as it's nothing completely egregious.

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Speaker 2: If what Weiss wins baseball games for the next however

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Speaker 2: many years he's the Braves manager, then great. And you know,

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Speaker 2: let's be clear, we talked about Brian Snitker for the

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Speaker 2: last eight years on this podcast. Did we always agree

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Speaker 2: with Snit's in game management? No? Were the things we'd

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Speaker 2: playoff management, yes, But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: the Braves were a largely successful team under Brian Sticker.

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Speaker 2: Maybe after a month long search, the front office truly

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Speaker 2: feels that Walt Weiss gives this team the best chance

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Speaker 2: to win baseball games going forward. It's not who I

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Speaker 1: That's definitely the case and I agree with what you

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Speaker 1: And I think I'm actually kind of proud of us, Scott,

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Speaker 1: you're right, the reaction was extremely negative. My reaction is

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Speaker 1: less negative than that reaction, Like I think people were

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Speaker 1: it's just what we do. But I would not have

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Speaker 1: the dynamics and play there We'll come back to that

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Speaker 1: later on in the show. But one thing that I

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Speaker 1: Like what's the losses are kind of all that matters.

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Speaker 1: Brian Sticker was not ever, and I says knowing Brian

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Speaker 1: Sticker had a really, really good tenure as the Brave's manager.

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Speaker 1: He really did. I don't think anybody anywhere ever thought

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Speaker 1: bry Snicker was this like elite tactician. That was not

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Speaker 1: negative web. He was very good at that by all accounts.

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Speaker 2: Everybody keeping a group of thirty millionaires together for eight

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Speaker 1: The year, it's not a small job, and it's one

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Speaker 1: that we can't We always say this, we can't know

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Speaker 1: the bigger part of the job, which is hard to say.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to sort of analyze, but it's true. And

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Speaker 1: what wise I mean, I don't know what Weiss. Maybe

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Speaker 1: know he was a manager before in Colorado. It's Colorado whatever,

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Speaker 1: positive or negative, like I've seen people say positively. This

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cox, like one of the columns written by one

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Speaker 1: that era. And the Braves way will come up later

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Speaker 1: on in the show. I'm confident I don't really care

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Speaker 1: if he just keeps it on the tracks and they

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Speaker 1: win baseball games, no one's going to be bothered. I

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Speaker 1: would have preferred Daniel Lahman. I would have preferred George Lombard,

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Speaker 1: that's not changing anytime soon. So here we go.

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Speaker 2: Be you you know, I will say friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: Gore of the Deck, who is very keyed into the

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Speaker 2: Braves organization, covers the farm system tremendously, has been on

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Speaker 2: Weiss and Ronald Dcunya Junior have a fantastic relationship. Now,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the one thing that

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Speaker 2: we'll hear eventually, but what does Ronaldicunya Junior think of

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Speaker 2: is Austin Reiley and Michael Harris and Chris Saylee and

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Speaker 2: Spencer Schwallenbach. We don't know. Those are things behind closed

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Speaker 2: That he will command the clubhouse, that he will have

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Speaker 1: Right, And I'm really actually interested in Normally, I'm a

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, let's keep going here playing to get

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Speaker 1: all along, you know what I mean. Like, they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna come out and say, you know what, we went

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Speaker 1: back and forth, we were split in our room, and

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna say that. I can. I will fall

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Speaker 1: on the floor, Scott if Alex and Terry and whoever

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Speaker 1: else comes out and says you know what. Actually at

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Speaker 1: the end, we we're on different sides. Like no one's

436
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Speaker 1: going to say that. No one's going to say that.

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Speaker 2: I will say and this is something I heard from

438
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Speaker 2: multiple people today that Terry McGirk is far more involved

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Speaker 2: with the day to day operations of the Atlanta Braves

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Speaker 2: than some folks might realize.

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Speaker 1: Can we reset this? I actually want to say this too.

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Speaker 1: And I know you know and a lot of listeners know,

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Speaker 1: But Terry McGirk, I think because of the braves unique

444
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Speaker 1: setup with the publicly traded aspects formerly Liberty Media now

445
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Speaker 1: spun off at the Braves Holdings their own company, all

446
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Speaker 1: that they don't have a quote unquote owner in the

447
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Speaker 1: way that a lot of teams do. Terry McGirk is

448
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Speaker 1: functionally the Braves owner. He's not the owner of the team.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he is. I get that guy's I

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Speaker 1: understand it all. But he is the chairman, president and

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Speaker 1: CEO of Braves Holdings, which owns the Braves. He is.

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Speaker 1: He is the representative on the MLB Executive Council for

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Speaker 1: the Braves. He is the representative on the MLBHI Committee

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Speaker 1: for the Braves. He is the big boss. So like,

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Speaker 1: he's not exactly like Steve Cohen or hal Steinbrainer or

456
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Speaker 1: pit Picket or you don't that you don't like whoever

457
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Speaker 1: it is, pick whoever. He's not exactly like that. But

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to pick one person in the Braves

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Speaker 1: organization that is closest to that, it is Terry McGirk.

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Speaker 1: And I think he gets He gets discussed way less

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Speaker 1: than someone in his job probably should get discussed. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to just say that I know people in

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Speaker 1: my own life who are self described brace fans, not

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Speaker 1: not sick ohs like us, but Braves fans, Like they

465
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Speaker 1: go to like five games a year. They're Braves fans, right,

466
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Speaker 1: just running the mill, Braves fans who probably don't even

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Speaker 1: know who Terry McGirk is. Yeah, And I don't mean that

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Speaker 1: in a negative way. I just mean that's the reality.

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Speaker 1: He's not talked about that way because of the situation.

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Speaker 1: But you're one hundred percent right what you're saying, So

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Speaker 1: keep going. But Terry McGirk is a big deal. And

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Speaker 1: I have a take I'll deliver later, but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I mean what I would give to have

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Speaker 2: Alex and Thappless on the show. Maybe get him a

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Speaker 2: couple drinks, loosen them up a little bit and go

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: Alex on the show by the way, yeah hammard on

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Speaker 1: hemmy try podcast. Hey Alex, do you want to have

479
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Speaker 1: a loose conversation? Come on down, we want to bite

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Speaker 1: you open invite please.

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Speaker 2: I would would truly love to know that if in

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Speaker 2: his heart of hearts, would Alex and Thoppless have hired

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Speaker 2: Walt Weiss? Or was this a group decision? Was this

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Speaker 2: a Terry McGirk decision? Was this a uh? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: and we will never know, Like you said, Bratt, we

486
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Speaker 2: will never know where the truth fully lies. But I

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Speaker 2: did at least want to say that Terry McGirk is involved,

488
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Speaker 2: just like owners are for a lot of sports franchises,

489
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Speaker 2: probably for overall worse than better. But what are you

490
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Speaker 2: gonna do? They own the team or they effectively own

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Speaker 2: the team. I would truly love and maybe Alex would say, yes,

492
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Speaker 2: Walt Weiss was my guy. I swear on everything Walt

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Speaker 2: Weiss was my dude. I still think Alex, just knowing

494
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Speaker 2: how he wants to operate, was maybe fond of other candidates,

495
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Speaker 2: but that is purely my and maybe I am completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we're not ked Roseenval. Like kensicality of ours.

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Speaker 1: He does work on a polatory to our network. We

498
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Speaker 1: are not Keedd Rosval. We're not breaking news, we're not insiders.

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Speaker 1: We have some sources, we're not it's not our full

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Speaker 1: time be or whatever. I will say this. I'll try

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Speaker 1: to walk the line here comfortably. I'm not reporting anything.

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Speaker 1: Stress that I heard from multiple people today, multiple people

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Speaker 1: today that there was a split in the front office.

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Speaker 1: And by front office, I mean that could accomplish that,

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Speaker 1: that could encompass McGirk, Alex whoever I mean. And that's

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Speaker 1: not shocking to me if you just think about the

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Speaker 1: personalities involved, like the way that I framed it on

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Speaker 1: Twitter today, and this encompasses what I what I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: and also my own common sense. But I want to

510
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Speaker 1: stress I'm not reporting this is I don't know it

511
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Speaker 1: to be true. Keep that in mind. I like to

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Speaker 1: be responsible. It feels to me that's the where all use.

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Speaker 1: It feels to me like Terry Murgirk made this higher

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Speaker 1: in the end. That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I'm maybe I'm doing too much of the

516
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Speaker 1: like Homeland season one. Uh, you know, big board of

517
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Speaker 1: like all the little things. And I'm leading that I'm

518
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Speaker 1: not saying I'm right. I'm saying I've I've between what

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Speaker 1: I've heard and what it looks like to me with

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Speaker 1: this whole month long process, and in the end it's

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Speaker 1: suddenly Walt White out of nowhere with all this misdirection

522
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Speaker 1: that feels like an old school the Braves Way kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, and that's not Alex. Alex is not a

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Speaker 1: Brave's Way guy. They hired him obviously, he's been running

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Speaker 1: the team for a long time now, but he's not

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Speaker 1: a Braves lifer. He's not a Brave's died in the

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Speaker 1: wool Bobby Cox lineage guy. And You're right, I'm not

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Speaker 1: to go back this one more time. No GM or president,

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Speaker 1: anybody in Alex's job is ever publicly going to throw

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Speaker 1: their owner under the bus on anything. So last my

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Speaker 1: go to example is the one that I think people

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Speaker 1: are probably don't want to say. Last year, Alex says definitively,

533
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Speaker 1: payroll will not go down. He says it on the record,

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Speaker 1: and payroll goes down, I don't think. In fact, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty darn confident it's not Alex's money. You think he

536
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Speaker 1: wanted payroll to go down, Scott.

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Speaker 2: There is not a general manager in baseball or a

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Speaker 2: president of baseball operations in baseball who would voluntarily say,

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Speaker 2: you know, Brad, let's cut twenty five million dollars off

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Speaker 2: our payroll this year in the middle of a championship window.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that happened.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that would have fixed everything, but that's

544
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Speaker 1: always and I said this at the time. This is

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Speaker 1: a year ago. Now I said this to the void

546
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Speaker 1: like it feels to me like somebody somewhere And by

547
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Speaker 1: the way, that's usually someone above you, which means Terry

548
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Speaker 1: McGirk said, hey, Alex, by the way, that payroll thing,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting that much money.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: And this is different than that, but it's a reminder

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Speaker 1: of the of who's actually in charge, like Alex has juice. Unquestionably,

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Speaker 1: I don't think think Terry mcgrek is making trades during

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Speaker 1: the season. I think Alex is the head of baseball

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Speaker 1: operations for the Braves. But a higher like this gets

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Speaker 1: to the ownership leadership level in a way that like

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Speaker 1: the trading for a middle reliever doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. McGirk also signs off on or says no to

559
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Speaker 2: every free agent deal he has to.

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Speaker 1: I mean for money reasons, you have to mean every

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Speaker 1: I understand that the GM or president or whoever that

562
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Speaker 1: job is in your organization is in charge of baseball operations.

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Speaker 1: But they don't. They cannot sign off on a big

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Speaker 1: on a money thing like they have a Yeah, maybe

565
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Speaker 1: a lot of Maybe some owners are passive and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: here's the payroll, and I don't care as long as

567
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Speaker 1: you stay under that number. That's different. But like in

568
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Speaker 1: the end, Alex can't decide to spend anybody's money, like

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Speaker 1: he's got to have approval to spend anybody's money.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, yes, they're just like any billion

571
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Speaker 2: dollar company. There are layers and approvals and everything, and

572
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Speaker 2: everybody has a.

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Speaker 1: Boss, right, everybody has everybody has a boss. Is a

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Speaker 1: great way to put that throughout.

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Speaker 2: That Again, Hey, I am sure Alex, and Thoppless is

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Speaker 2: in minute twenty eight of this podcast, listening on his

577
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Speaker 2: commute on a day morning. Come on on, Alex there,

578
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Speaker 2: I'll give you Brad's number live on the air, and

579
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Speaker 2: you can come on and tell us exactly and again,

580
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Speaker 2: these are things the McGirk and thoughtless possible divide on

581
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Speaker 2: this job, or things we've heard from people around the team.

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Speaker 2: We do not know for certain, and maybe maybe Alex

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Speaker 2: and Thoppolss really does feel that Walt Weiss is the

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Speaker 2: best man for this job. Guess what, He is the

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Speaker 2: man for the job now and we will see what

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Speaker 2: the next one to, however many years hold with him

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Speaker 2: and the manager spot.

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Speaker 1: Yes we will, and the Braves way lives on for

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Speaker 1: another day. All right, Scott, we have one more quick

590
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Speaker 1: break from our partners. Will come back talk about the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff Haasan, Kim and Moore in just one moment.

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, I have a question for you that

593
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Speaker 1: is a bridge to some coaching staff stuff. Let's do

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Speaker 1: it that we were asked. Actually, it's not a utique

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Speaker 1: question that I'm made up. Basically, the question is like,

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Speaker 1: would you have preferred another year at Brian Sticker to this? Because,

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Speaker 1: I mean even the beat guys kind of said, hey.

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Speaker 1: One of the things about this is like, hey, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you just if it was gonna be Walt Weiss or

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Speaker 1: I think either bon or do you'd be somebody mentioned

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Speaker 1: any Perez as another example, like if it was even

602
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Speaker 1: one of those guys, why not just give it? Might

603
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: just have a break, step back, and maybe maybe Sitchus

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Speaker 1: society was done. I'm not saying you didn't, but like,

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting question, and I wonder what you think.

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Speaker 2: That is a great question. Man. My first lean was yes,

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Speaker 2: I would do another year of Snicker, then give it

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Speaker 2: the keys to Walt Weiss. But as we said off

609
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Speaker 2: the top, I'm I'm pretty underwhelmed, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: it's now on Walt Weiss and the Braves to go

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Speaker 2: win games and kind of win over, not win over

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Speaker 2: the fan base because that sounds extreme, but to win games.

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Speaker 2: What's over the fan base though, it really is when

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Speaker 2: it comes down to, yes, if the Braves are seven

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Speaker 2: games ahead of the Phillies at the trade deadline next year,

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Speaker 2: no one's gonna care, even if Walt Weiss is maybe

617
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Speaker 2: doing some unconventional things. If you win ball game, listen

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Speaker 2: brad up. Until thirteen months ago, Dave Roberts was viewed

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Speaker 2: as like a p and nerld like choker in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: you couldn't win the big one.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, no, he's a great example because I still

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Speaker 1: think he's not very good.

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Speaker 2: No, he has an unbelievable roster. But again it's it's

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Speaker 2: the things we'll never know. You don't get to ab

625
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: test baseball games and baseball seasons, and that's why again

626
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: the Braves are taking a bit of a gamble on

627
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Speaker 2: maybe the safest, most boring, higher imaginable with Walt Weiss.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes boring and safe is the way to go.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not. And you know, we talked about adding

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Speaker 2: having one of these first time managers like a Danny

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Speaker 2: Layman or George Lombard or Ryan Flaherty. There was no

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Speaker 2: guarantee those guys were going to be successful. That there

633
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Speaker 2: was a chance, and I was intrigued by the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to bring somebody in brand new, But there was no

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Speaker 2: guarantee that Danny Layman was going to come in and

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Speaker 2: have his nineteen Excel sheets open and just like turn

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Speaker 2: the Braves into a hundred win machine every year. We

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Speaker 2: don't know that the Braves could be terrible next year

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Speaker 2: if they hired Danny Layman. Again, we don't have the

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Speaker 2: benefit of unning simulations. It's just, you know, it is

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Speaker 2: it is quite the decision the Braves have made with

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Speaker 2: Walt Weiss.

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Speaker 1: Everything is a risk reward calculus, which is why to

644
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: the Snicker question, and I'll answer it quickly, I would

645
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: have probably said, if the only choice were Snit or

646
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Walt Weiss, I would have probably taken Smit. And the

647
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: reason is we know what sni It is. Yeah, and

648
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: sn has flaws, but he's a proven winning baseball manager.

649
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Wa Wiss is not that yet. I think we know

650
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm not picking a Walt Weiss. He says he hasn't

651
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: done it. It's different than danil Layman or George Lombard, whoever.

652
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: It was, Like, I think you brought this up on

653
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: a podcast recently, Like look no further than Gabe Kapeler

654
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: as like the example of it not working, a guy

655
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: that I think we you and I probably share a

656
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of like baseball values with Gay Kepler, Like he's

657
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: more of a modern analytical guy and it just did

658
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: not work because he couldn't handle it, Like he didn't

659
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: he didn't handle it well as a manager.

660
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, his players hated him. He could he recommand, Yeah,

661
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: that could have. I mean he had he had relievers

662
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: openly talking back to him as he went out to

663
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: take him out of the game. I mean, that's something

664
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: you would never see from a Sniker type. Hopefully we

665
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: never see from a Walt Weiss type.

666
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: And that is I'm not saying that everyone's gonna have

667
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: that kind of outside risk that is the risk when

668
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: you're having your first time manager is that you don't

669
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: have that safety. So anyway, that's one area of this.

670
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: The other thing we should always talk about is the

671
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: coaching staff impact, because as of now Monday night late,

672
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: we don't know anything about coaching staff. Yeah, I think

673
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation that if the braves

674
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: Hire day Layman or George Lombard, that might be a

675
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: pretty big shake up on the coaching staff because it

676
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: would have signaled a bigger shift, right, maybe bring back

677
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Cranus or something. But like would have been some guys

678
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: would have almost certainly left. It would have been just

679
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: like a new manager and the exact same staff. That

680
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: would have been shocking to everyone involved with what Weiss.

681
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he could just keep everybody. I have no

682
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: idea what he's going to do, but he knows the

683
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: staff well. He's been here for seven and a half

684
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: years at this point in time, So what do you

685
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: make of this, and like, what's your reaction if they

686
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: just like keep the band entirely, because I that seems

687
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: like it's like on the table, not saying it's gonna happen,

688
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: but it's at least possible.

689
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: On November third, I would personally not keep the entire

690
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: band together. Now, if you want to keep Freddy Gonzalez

691
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: as the third base coach, no problem, no problem with that.

692
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: If you want to keep Rick Kranitz's pitching coach, I'm

693
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: all in Cranits has been terrific.

694
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: He's my favorite's he's my favorite to keep. Please please

695
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: just keep keep Rick Crandits. I mean, yeah, I would

696
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: have understood it if a new outside manager brought in

697
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: their own guy. But what wise should keep Rick credits?

698
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: I feel strongly about that at this point.

699
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and if he's willing to come back, probably keep

700
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: Eddie Perez. We don't know if Eddie was really a

701
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: candidate for the job, for the manager job, but would

702
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: happily have Eddie Perez back, But you know, other spots

703
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: tim hires, if they move on from Hires, fine with me.

704
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: If they bring him back, I'm not going to be outraged.

705
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Because of the improvements we saw in the second half

706
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: of the year. But if you're telling me they want

707
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: to go a different direction with the hitting coach, fine,

708
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: first base coach. You know, the Braves did not run

709
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 2: the bases very well last season. Now, maybe that's personnel based,

710
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because they don't have a bunch of guys

711
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: who are great base dealers, but you know, first base

712
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: didn't do a whole lot for me. You know, obviously

713
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: we'll need a new bench coach now that Weiss is

714
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: moving over, so there will be some kind of newness

715
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: with the coaching staff. So I'm guessing it'll be a blend,

716
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: would be my I mean, where where are you at

717
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: with that? Yeah?

718
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: Again, this is we're totally guessing, but I yeah, bring

719
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: it hopefully. I would hope that they bring in some

720
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: new bloods somewhere on the staff. Yeah, for a shakeup.

721
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody that's a little bit more analytically inclined, honestly,

722
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: would be nice. Maybe a bench coach that's more of

723
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: a modern bench coach to offset the more traditional manager

724
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: would be natural. Again, we're shooting from the hip here

725
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: on the outside, but in my brain that makes sense.

726
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it has to be a quote

727
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: unquote young person, but someone who thinks differently than what

728
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: Weiss is what I would want. I would want some

729
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: not like clash, but like some different viewpoints. But yeah,

730
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: credits top priority for me. Hires could go either way.

731
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: It's fine and everything else, you know, the other jobs

732
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: are just less visible, like it's it is what it is.

733
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: That stuff matters. But as far as like what we

734
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: can see, no one's gonna care about the the bullpen

735
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: coach or you know, all these things.

736
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: That third base coach you can get into some hot water,

737
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: as we saw.

738
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Speaker 1: Well as we saw this year, right until they brought

739
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: in Freddy to stabilize things. People are asking about Wash.

740
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: I mean, is there is there a world in which

741
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: wat Weiss hires Ron Washington's the bench coach?

742
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean I think they were together for

743
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: the vibes. I'd love Ron Washington back. He's he also

744
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: had a quadruple heart bypass.

745
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: He has health questions for sure at the very least.

746
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: But hey, if Wash is physically able to do something,

747
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: that's fine.

748
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: Uh sign.

749
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's another thing to keep an eye on

750
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: in the coming days. I know people were asking us

751
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: we got multiple people tagging us about about Chipper's comments

752
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: about wal Wise, Does this mean that that that he

753
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: could bring in Chipper's heading coach. I'm on record, I

754
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: don't think Schipper is ever going to be the full

755
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: time hitting coach of the Braves. Maybe I'll be wrong

756
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: about that, but I think I don't think Chipper wants

757
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: to do the full It's a that's a that's a

758
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: full time job, kids, and Chipper is a Hall of Famer.

759
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: It's a different lifestyle. Chipper has a lot of money

760
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: and can enjoy his life in a way where a

761
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: full time hitting coach is a real grind for like

762
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: eight months a year. Like, I don't know if he

763
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: wants to do that. Maybe he does, but I don't

764
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: think he probably wants.

765
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure to be a conversation, and it was

766
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: interesting if folks, If folks missed it, maybe three four

767
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: weeks ago at this point, Chipper said on local Atlanta

768
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: radio that he was like down to be the hitting

769
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: coach now, saying it on a radio interview verse, saying,

770
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: all right, Brad telling his wife and his many kids,

771
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: all right, guys, Dad's going to be away for the

772
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: better part of seven months like after he.

773
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: Gets think so long, right, you're thinking it's I mean, honestly,

774
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: if you're making if you're making a run deep in

775
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs, it's it's nine months. I mean, you're you're

776
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: gone from early February until you're done at the end,

777
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: and it's every single day. And that's for a Hall

778
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: of Famer who doesn't have to worry about money for

779
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. I don't that's a tough ask. Anyway,

780
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But yeah, Chippers a hitting savant. I'm

781
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: not saying you don't want the guy around. I think

782
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: maybe part time hitting consultant is his best role. But

783
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: we will see. But yeah, stast's the question. Maybe they'll

784
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: touch on that at the whatever press convers they do,

785
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: but you'll start to I'm sure see some hire, some

786
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: hires for hires hires in the coming days on that

787
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the best of coming. Yeah, yeah,

788
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: Rick Credits please stick around.

789
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Would happily have Cranit's back. He Cranis has had some

790
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: family stuff and medical stuff over the years. You never

791
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: know about that. You never want to speculate, of course,

792
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: but if Crantis is in and everything is hopefully okay

793
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: with his family. The sign me up for at least

794
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: one more year. I mean, Braves pitching has been fantastic

795
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: whenever healthy, the last couple of years.

796
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done a great job for a long time.

797
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Sky Is there anything else do you want to add

798
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: about the manager? We have a couple more newsy things

799
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the podcast, but I want to

800
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: give you the floor thirty eight minute mark here. Anything

801
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: else to add about Walt Weiss? Obviously we'll have time.

802
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure Stephen and Shawn will weigh in on Walt

803
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: Weiss in the coming days. We'll get more information, but

804
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: for now, on the initial Walt Weiss Emergency Podcast, the

805
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: floor is yours man alive, brad Man alive.

806
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: Indeed, I really sincerely hope this works. Yeah, I am

807
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: not overly optimistic that it's going to be a Grand Slam,

808
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: but I also don't think it's going to be a

809
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: total calamity because Weiss has been around for so long

810
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: and has the respective players in that clubhouse. So let's hope.

811
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: Let's get the Braves back to winning baseball games like

812
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: we want them. Let's get them back to making deep runs.

813
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: In October Ideally it all works out with Walt Weiss

814
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: and he's awesome, and he's the manager for the next

815
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, six to ten years and then and

816
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: then you move on. I mean, it would basically be

817
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: the Brian Snitker cycle all over again, where now, of course,

818
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: the Braves are good now versus a total train wreck

819
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: when snitt took over in twenty sixteen. But let's hope

820
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: that we can get back to winning divisions, making deep

821
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: runs in the playoffs, get back to the World Series.

822
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: It's been too long. This is a baseball team that

823
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: has won two playoff games since winning the World Series

824
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: four years ago. Hopefully Walt Weiss is the guy to

825
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: get us back to where we want to be.

826
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, there is a little bit of news. Honestly,

827
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: I wish there wasn't anything else to talk about, but

828
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: we can't gloss over at least the one thing, and

829
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: that's Hassan Kim officially opting out on Monday. Now, if

830
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast for the last several weeks,

831
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be surprised. Not that it was a lock,

832
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be surprised. I saw some people that were surprised.

833
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't really know why, Like even Mantre people, It's like,

834
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: I get the situation, and we're not going to do

835
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: a long one this because we've talked about it for

836
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: literally weeks. Now we'll do it some more, but it's

837
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: now it's happening. He's opting out. That does not mean

838
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: he's leaving.

839
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

840
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I was always kind of the last couple

841
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: of weeks of expecting him to opt out of his contracts.

842
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? Like, were you kind of

843
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: suspecting that to happen between now and I think the

844
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: deadline is what Thursday, when he could have had me,

845
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: could have gone to what one's year Thursday. But any

846
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: surprised from you at all?

847
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: No, not a shock. You know, Kim is represented by

848
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: Scott Boris, who is the king of getting his clients

849
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: back on the market because more times than not, it

850
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: means more guaranteed money for your players. I am sure

851
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: even though Kim did not opt in, the Braves have

852
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: had conversations with Boris and with Kim about keeping him

853
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Maybe it's a couple of year deal, three years,

854
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: four years. Maybe the Braves get creative with like a

855
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: one plus one deal, whatever it is. We've talked about

856
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,240
Speaker 2: on this show a lot over the last couple of months,

857
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: but Kim is pretty clearly the easiest upgraded shortstop. Unfortunately,

858
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: the Braves are not the only team in baseball who

859
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: could use a shortstop or even a second baseman where

860
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Kim could presumably play. And now we just hope the

861
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: market does not get crazy and the Braves you're able

862
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: to work something out.

863
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all. This means that he's going to be

864
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: a free agent. I mean, also he can. He can

865
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: sign with the Braves today. He can't sign anywhere else

866
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: for a couple more days. He can still sign with

867
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: the Braves today if he wants to. I don't think

868
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, but he could. And every dynamic that's

869
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: already in place is still in place. The Braves need

870
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: a shortstop as much as a team in Basel is

871
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: a shortstop. The Braves have the money to spend on

872
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: a shortstop. He is the only free agent shortstop other

873
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: than Boba Schet. And I don't think Boba Shut's a shortstop.

874
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Maybe Alex does, or Terry Murger does, or somebody does,

875
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: but I think he's really the only one that's like

876
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: a clear starting one shortstop. Yeah, on the other side,

877
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: you can trade for one. It's hard to trade for one.

878
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: I think we saw that the last couple of years.

879
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: It's not easy to find shorts stops. So it's fascinating.

880
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it a lot, but I as a

881
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: podcast I will speak for all of us and saying

882
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: this is not a surprise if you pay attention closely,

883
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: this is kind of always coming the last couple of weeks.

884
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: I think when they first got him, the asception was

885
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: he probably would opt in, and then with the way

886
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: the winds have blown, the reporting has blown his market.

887
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: Like we talked to you and I talked like last

888
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: week about some free agent projections. People are talking about

889
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: some crazy numbers for us on gam So if he

890
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: gets crazy numbers, that makes it all all the much

891
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: more difficult for the Braves. But in the meantime, hold

892
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: on your hold on your hats, kids, he's gonna be

893
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: a Phrerasian, So yeah.

894
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: Hopefully, I mean, you know, Kim talked to a local newspaper.

895
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: I believe he's gone back home to Korea, but talked

896
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: to a local newspaper there and said he had a

897
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: great experience with the Braves, enjoyed the city, enjoyed his teammates.

898
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: He's good friends with Jerks and Profar from their San

899
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: Diego day. It seems like he and Ozsi Alby's bonded well,

900
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: just like Ozzi Alby's bonds well with probably every human

901
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: on the earth because he's such a good dude. So

902
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: let's hope it was an effective month in Atlanta. And

903
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: even if the bidding gets close with the Braves in

904
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: another team, maybe that swings something their way, and you know,

905
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: let's get it done because man if Hassong Kim signs

906
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: with another club and the Braves don't have short style

907
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: figured out, Brad, I mean, we're gonna it. Then it

908
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: becomes like a three alarm fire and it's like, oh

909
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: my god, who are they going to go get because

910
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: we can't do another one hundred and sixty two of

911
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Nick Allen and the dal Bruhan and god knows whoever else.

912
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is nuance with Hassong because of the

913
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: injury risk, like that adds a lot of variance. Honestly,

914
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: if there was no injury history, it'd be a lot

915
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: easier to project what his conduct was going to be.

916
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: But I think because there is that injury risk, an

917
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: injury history recently, that's what led him to having the

918
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: science to sign the weird deal last winter when he

919
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: was a free agent. And I think that it adds

920
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: more mystery of nothing else to what's going to happen

921
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. But stay tuned, we'll cover that

922
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: as we get going here in this. I'm sure they'll

923
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: be more reporting in the coming days. The other thing,

924
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: our guys, Sean Stephen briefly talked about matt Olsen winning

925
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: the Gold Glove on Sunday night. Hey, not a surprise.

926
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: Matt Olsen was already getting crowned with all kinds of

927
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: defensive awards. He shoot, Philly Bible were winner. Matt Olsen

928
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: awesome season. I've said it in a million times. I

929
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: won't say it again. He was really good this year.

930
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I'll let you do it

931
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: because I think you've mentioned it on real time on Twitter.

932
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: How did you feel about the Gold Glove being announced

933
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: at like nine o'clock on Sunday night? Have you seen

934
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: IM just winding you up now? I'm just wanting you

935
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: up right now. That's all this is.

936
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 2: Have you seen the SNL skit with Nate Bergazzi where

937
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: he's dressed up like the Revolutionary War and the Founding

938
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: Fathers and trying to figure out why some of the

939
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: weird things that America does and there's no real explanation

940
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: for it. That is quite literally, they did the meme, Brad.

941
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball did the meme. It's like, hey, what

942
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: time should we announce the Gold Glove winners? I don't know, Brad,

943
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: how about like on at noon on Monday or at

944
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: three pm Eastern on Monday or right before Monday night football. Nope,

945
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna drop them at eight forty five on a

946
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: Sunday night, the day after the World Series. During the

947
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: middle of Sunday night football, people are putting their kids

948
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: to bed. Nobody's paying attention other than the sickos. Major

949
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: League Baseball do some weird stuff. I will never understand it.

950
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: If they want to hire me, I will happily do

951
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: their job for them and figure out some things. But yeah, hey,

952
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: shouts to Matt Olsen on a few high schools, famous

953
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: number two on my power rankings. You're still number one,

954
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: matt Olsen two. Jeff Frank core Thrie, but very deserving

955
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: for Matt. I was looking at his numbers. Fantastic defensively

956
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: lap the field like statistically he was like double the

957
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: second place finisher in defensive run saved and defensive run value.

958
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Just a terrific devendor over there and does a really

959
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: nice job for them Braves quite literally every single night

960
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: because he has played. Now, was he up to like

961
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: nine hundred games played consecutively or.

962
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Something one billion consecutive game is played. Yeah, I'll just

963
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: say it one more time. There was another round of

964
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: discourse about Medlson this week that we're not gonna do

965
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: because it's very annoying to me. Matdelson was the best

966
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: first baseman in baseball this season, period, full stop. Keep

967
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: that in mind in all discussions best first baseman in

968
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: baseball this season.

969
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: It is his fault he does not have. It's Matt

970
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 2: Elson's fault. He does not have a half billion dollar

971
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: payroll around him to help win.

972
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: We have literally only mad Elson's fault that the Braves

973
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: is not within the World Series this season. In fact,

974
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: if if they just had Freddy, they would have won

975
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: thirty more games. Just write that in all right, I

976
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: love Freddy by the way, but me too. Uh we

977
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: agree on the awards thing. It was ridiculous. But that's

978
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: also a segue into our last little mini topic. Here

979
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: season is not officially here, like there was no lead

980
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: up to it. They just kind of there was no

981
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: even like buzz about gold Gloves, like, hey, here it is.

982
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: But now we know they've announced kind of the schedule

983
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: of when the wars are going to come out. Silver

984
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: Slugger and Platinum Glove are not huge awards, but they're

985
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: coming out this week. Those are ones to monitor. The

986
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Braves have some I think also win the Platinum Glove.

987
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: That's possible to me, he probably will win it if

988
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I had to guess right now. Silver Slugger, that don't

989
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: only have anybody that's like a guaranteed locker or anything.

990
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: But you know, anyway, those are lesser rewards, but they

991
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: still matter. The big one is one week from when

992
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: you and I are talking right now, you and I

993
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: are doing the show on Monday, November third Rookie of

994
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: the Year is going to be announced on November tenth.

995
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: That's the bitok with the Braves obviously, because it has

996
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: impact beyond just the award. It packs the draft for

997
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: next season. Drake Baldwin is the leading candidate, at least

998
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: for me. He's officially a finalist that was announced in

999
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: the last day or so for ANAL Rookie of the

1000
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Year That was always gonna happen, but that's the one

1001
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: circle one hundrd calendars, and then after that you get

1002
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: Manager of the Year, saw Young MVP. The Bridges are

1003
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: not going to be on the refit for those this year,

1004
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: so it's really just that Brave's only purposes. Yeah, November

1005
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: tenth circle it in red Drake Bowlin day.

1006
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: Yep. Would be great for Drake and would be great

1007
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: to get the extra first round pick, and not only

1008
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: the pick which is going to be around pick thirty,

1009
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: but also comes with a three million dollar slot allotment,

1010
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: which I mean, if the Braves get a top five

1011
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: draft pick because they stunk this past year, and they

1012
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: get a pick in the thirties and the three and

1013
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: a half million dollars that comes with that, plus they'll

1014
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: have a higher pick in the second round, they might

1015
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: have a ton of money. Brad. Of course, if they

1016
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: go out and sign some free agents who have qualifying

1017
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: offers attached, they lose the picks. They lose the money

1018
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: because baseball has the most ridiculous free agent system known

1019
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: in the history of the universe. But if the Braves

1020
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: recoup that pick or add that pick from Baldwin winning

1021
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, it would kind of give them

1022
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 2: a little bit of a shield because then they would

1023
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: lose that draft pick if they go out and sign

1024
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: a Dylan Cees or a Framber Valvez or a Rangers

1025
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: war as one of the very tippy top free agents

1026
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: who get a qualifying offer. It does kind of keep

1027
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: the Braves money for the draft in line, even if

1028
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: they would not get the financial bonus of Baldwin winning

1029
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year.

1030
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Yep, that is all right, So stay tuned a lot

1031
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: to come. That's the only award thing that's like huge news.

1032
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: But that's a week from today. Free agency has begun

1033
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: typically like people can't sign with another team until later

1034
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: of this week. That we're only what three days away

1035
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: now from free agency actually opening. Across baseball. It is

1036
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: not the flurry of activity that is some other sports,

1037
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: but guys are allowed to sign, and what that generally

1038
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: means is you start to get some more intel, not

1039
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: necessarily the gods are going to sign the first day,

1040
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: but you start to get like, so it was meeting

1041
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: with so and so, and like contract demands and all

1042
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: these things. More and more information gathering period beginning this

1043
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: week option deadline. With some reporting today, I'm not gonna

1044
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: take it as gospel that the Braves are planning on

1045
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: picking up tyllerck Kinley's option that was out there. We'll

1046
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: talk talking about probably a little bit more depth later

1047
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: on this week or next week. That's one to circle.

1048
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: You got Ozzie Alby's, you got Pierce Johnson, Chris Sales

1049
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: a no brainer, But like they have a few decisions

1050
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: that they have to make in the next three days,

1051
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: so no shortage of topics to discuss later on this week.

1052
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think generally you do not

1053
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: see big name free agents sign right away, but you

1054
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 2: do usually have a couple of significant trades go down

1055
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: between the start of the offseason and maybe the week

1056
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: of Thanksgiving. Sometimes teams are close at the trade deadline

1057
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: but can't hammer home the final prospects or whatever the

1058
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: situation is. So I feel like trades are probably more

1059
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: likely for the Braves or for the other twenty nine

1060
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: teams in the next couple of weeks. But then I

1061
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: feel like the GM meetings are right after Thanksgiving, and

1062
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: then you have the Winter meetings the second week of December.

1063
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: I feel like once we get past Thanksgiving, that's when

1064
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: free agency really gets to cook.

1065
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're almost there, Ish, We're almost there, Ish, Scott,

1066
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: and I know how I know your passion for the

1067
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: off season calendar in meajsor league baseball. But we have arrived.

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned, everybody. The war Throughs is over. Decisions

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Speaker 1: of plenty and the Braves made a big one on Monday.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have more coverage of Walt Weiss. We'll have

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Speaker 1: more coverage of Hassan Kim. I can promise you that

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Speaker 1: in the coming days, Scott. If people are new to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, I want to check out Hammre Territory. But

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Speaker 1: I also want to follow the Scott Coleman experience on

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Speaker 1: social media. Where can they potentially find all of your

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis cults and Arizona Wildcats takes?

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Speaker 2: That's right, how about those Wildcats taking down the defending

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Speaker 2: champion Florida Gators first night in college basketball. It's great

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Speaker 2: to have it back.

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Speaker 1: That is not why we delay the record. Okay, no,

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Speaker 1: maybe it.

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Speaker 2: Is a little bit, but I know so. Shouts to

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Speaker 2: Brad for being a trooper. He's been traveling stand up late.

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Speaker 2: But as always, we always promise, always promise to get

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Speaker 2: an emergency podcast. For everybody who checks out the show,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you greatly and we set it off the top.

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Speaker 2: We'll say a one final time, a massive day for

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Speaker 2: the Braves, a new era, even if it is not

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Speaker 2: a new face necessarily leading this team, but a new

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Speaker 2: era for the team. Let's go in some baseball games,

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Speaker 2: Let's have a good offseason, let's add some talent to

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Speaker 2: this roster, and let's get the Braves back to where

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Speaker 2: we want them to be.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, please follow Scott at Scott Calm fifty five.

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