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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. Listening past, you

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. For

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Speaker 1: every hunt, First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer. Kevin Murphy

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Speaker 1: tells what's in the oven? Man, Man, what we got

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Speaker 1: is rabbit hot wings and squirrel hot wings. Well not

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Speaker 1: just that. Three ways, three six ways, sorry, six ways.

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Speaker 1: Six different sauces, starns barbecue sauce, a medium wing sauce,

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Speaker 1: a hot wing sauce. Guy's favorite. What is it? Guy?

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Speaker 1: You be? I don't know what a good man? It

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Speaker 1: wasn't nothing but like a spider, it's a bottom and

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Speaker 1: I almost had to add some water to it to

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Speaker 1: must be the house specialty here. And then I wanted

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Speaker 1: to put the ghost pepper on, and Steve started talking

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Speaker 1: about a story and I wandered off, and he like,

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Speaker 1: give'd be the death glare to get back on. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, people like different things different, something like

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Speaker 1: it hot, something like it mild. And we did a

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Speaker 1: prep that just and we we knocked it out and

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Speaker 1: what like ten minutes. Yeah, you two guys, y'all like

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Speaker 1: a production butcher shop cutting the squirrels up. The rabbit's up.

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Speaker 1: We saved the tenderloins out of the rabbit. For we're

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Speaker 1: gonna fry some make some rabbit tinders. That man, any kid,

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Speaker 1: if they didn't like rabbit tenders, they just ain't a kid,

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Speaker 1: because it's the next thing to a chicken nugget that

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Speaker 1: but much better, much better. For I'm gonna go, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna bread it up, and we're gonna Friday and seven

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Speaker 1: jard lard, which I have never seen before, but I

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Speaker 1: guess at Michigan that's what they man. Well, you see,

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Man, I don't know enough about this

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Speaker 1: I wish Jesse Griffiths was here. When you get I

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Speaker 1: used to think that large like, man, I got so

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Speaker 1: was making goose con fee long ago, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: And I didn't want to buy some little four ounce

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Speaker 1: go down and buy the shelf. Stable man, techa man,

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Speaker 1: take it. Whatever the hell that company is lard, the

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Speaker 1: square block of lard on a shelf, wrapped in wax

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Speaker 1: paper and cardboard. You follow me. We've got it back home,

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Speaker 1: not that brand. We have a there's white, there's like

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Speaker 1: Block a lard on the gross store shelf. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't fully know this, why it isn't. I wish

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Speaker 1: Jesse Griffiths was here. He doesn't like that stuff because

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Speaker 1: there's something done to that that's not done to the jarred,

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Speaker 1: fussy he's not a fussy man. He doesn't have all

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Speaker 1: I just trust him. Generally, and he doesn't like that

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Speaker 1: He likes unstabilized. Lord, now you talking, I've got a question.

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Speaker 1: So lard is from swine from a pig. It's rendered

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Speaker 1: fat from a pig, though right from generally they use

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how etched and stolen that is?

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Speaker 1: Gotch and grease is bear um, you know the pioneers,

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Speaker 1: they would make you. Have you ever eaten a crackling? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: pork like pork skin right, No, you'd be bear cracklings

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Speaker 1: you might now call the pantry used to be called

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Speaker 1: a what m hmm? You scratch beard all day long?

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Speaker 1: The larder that's cract deal. Scratch your beard. Actually helped

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Speaker 1: the answer came spitting out of him. The larger Because

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Speaker 1: you can create an anaerobic environment. This is what Confie is.

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Speaker 1: You can when you take meat cooked meats and put

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Speaker 1: oxygen and oxygen free environment when it's encased and large.

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Speaker 1: So the larder was where you would store non refrigerated

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Speaker 1: foods encased and lard to prevent spoilage, to greatly delay spoilage.

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Speaker 1: So why are people listening to this show man? Because

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Speaker 1: you learn about all this stuff with lard. I learned

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Speaker 1: that just right now, Steve two of us. Um uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about larden every other week probably.

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Speaker 1: I love Confie though. M so good. Now, so that's

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Speaker 1: what you're making. And then I want you to answer

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Speaker 1: me this question, Kevin Murphy, you said something then yesterday

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Speaker 1: those very cocky sounding just once Kevin's dog, Kevin's squirrel dog,

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Speaker 1: I texted Matt Cook that they were eighteen inches apart,

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Speaker 1: but I was exaggerating, Yes you were. Well, okay, Zucker,

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Speaker 1: how many inches apart were there? And are you seven

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Speaker 1: and a half inches apart? Times take? No, no, times two.

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Speaker 1: Look here, they're closer now. He was spreading his arms apart.

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason I know, because I've seen the footage.

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Speaker 1: They were a lot closer, a lot closer, a lot closer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right there, I'm the one that climbed up in there.

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Speaker 1: From Kevin's chest to one arm extended, yeah, from his brisket,

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Speaker 1: the center of his brisket to his Yes, I'll go that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's twice eighteen. You know what, I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: this because I'm gonna fill this out there just because

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you something. I'm gonna get you some action.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even rubbing. From the center of Kevin's brisket

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Speaker 1: to his empty ring finger, very empty ladies to his

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Speaker 1: ring finger, look past his compass. This is where my

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Speaker 1: rain is right here in this as the Boys in

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Speaker 1: South Africa says, Murphy, What are you doing with those Bengals?

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Speaker 1: So I took my ring, something that my mom gave me,

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Speaker 1: and my senior ring what was left of it, and

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Speaker 1: made something really good out of it, a bangle. You

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, look here's yeah, that's my wedding ring, my

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Speaker 1: that blowed to my mom. So I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: you some ladies right now, Kevin. Well, I've got a

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Speaker 1: gold Bengal. Oh ladies like that? They look at that shiny?

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Speaker 1: You never tried anything like tender or anything? Have you?

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Speaker 1: Hadn't been on tender yet? No? Yeah, I'm open to

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Speaker 1: anything I hold. Are you real quick? I am twenty

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Speaker 1: He's ready. Um and then you So this happened, and

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Speaker 1: and I wondered to myself, were he not so caught

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Speaker 1: So the coon's already in the tree, just resting for

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Speaker 1: or raccoons in books up the tree, passes the coon by,

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Speaker 1: probably thinks of himself, holy shit, and then plasters himself

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Speaker 1: in the top of the tree right by the raccoon.

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Speaker 1: Would the raccoon have said, I'm gonna catch that squirrel

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Speaker 1: or not? But we were coming, and he the raccoons

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Speaker 1: surely aware of us as well. He's probably like that

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Speaker 1: is well, first of all, that's one really unlucky raccoon

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Speaker 1: here comes Steve Ranella's crew just right under his tree.

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Speaker 1: Because dogs, yeah, yeah, man, that's an unlike. So we

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Speaker 1: and a squirrel out of the same tree before. And

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Speaker 1: basically that's happened to you before. I'm sixty four winners,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of things has happened to me before.

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Speaker 1: I have seen it before. I've seen critters that uh.

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Speaker 1: of um December. We're out there. I've got Polly Puerpreche.

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Speaker 1: She's a little bit on the trashy side. She actually

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Speaker 1: in dramatic fashion. In all the videos you see him

420
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: gashing the walleye pulling out weights. We now own for

421
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: our studio, the jersey and the leather man, which we're

422
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: framing in a big case. Yeah, and he signed it.

423
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: We got weights in fish. So we have the NiFe.

424
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: The ship is gonna be highly valuable someday man. Yeah,

425
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: the jersey and the night will be in our new studio,

426
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: very prominently displayed. That's that's very generous of him, very

427
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: generous because he could have sold that at like Sothebes

428
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: or something for six million dollars, seven million dollars others that.

429
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, you can't display my hat now, Chester, make

430
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: sure that he wears my hat when I'm I'm gonna act.

431
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear it, but I don't know. Ronnie Bam

432
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: had the best advice Ronnie Bam. Ronnie Bam gave me

433
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: two pieces of advice growing up with him, working for him.

434
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: When you got to break up with somebody, You young

435
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: listeners out there, listen to me, Ronnie Bam. Advice number one,

436
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: when you need to break up with somebody, don't do

437
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: the like um. When you need to break up with someone,

438
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: this is the talk you give them. It's not you,

439
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: it's me. Yeah, it's this. There's nothing you can do.

440
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: This is not about you. There's nothing that can be fixed,

441
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: nothing can happen. We're done. We're not trying this out.

442
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: We're not taking some time apart. There's nothing that can

443
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: be done. We're done. I like that advice. It's the

444
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: man funk when you get into the funk. He yeah,

445
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: he would be very annoyed when people would have these

446
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: on again, off again. Right, what you gotta do with

447
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: my hat? Oh? Advice number two? Okay, all right, that's

448
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: Ronnie Bains Rule number one. Ronnie Baans Rule number Rule

449
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: number two is never wear a hat that says hello

450
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: before you do otherwise, never wear a hat that has

451
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: more personality than you do. That's good. So that hat

452
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: works great for you. But you have a better personality

453
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: than I do. And if I get the hat, I'm

454
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: probably gonna hang in the podcast. I'll be there, so

455
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm gonna have I'm gonna have a

456
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: bunch of ashes in it. Probably it's gonna be a

457
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: half ashes, and I'm gonna frame it. I will make

458
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: sure that you have a portion of ashes. I'm gonna

459
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: have some of them sent down here, okay, and guy's

460
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna shoot him out the gun barrel. I'll spread them

461
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: out there or a briar patch where my ashes are.

462
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: I like about a good inch. I want a good

463
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: inch covering of ashes that happened. Um and super Shorty

464
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: maybe down here too, because I've got I made some

465
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: bag of my outstanding squirrel dogs rabbit dogs that I've

466
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: I've had since I think I started doing the little

467
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: funeral by fire. I lost this really good dog that

468
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: I had named Dot Hot Dot Man. She was outstanding,

469
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean, just a firehouse and I got into the

470
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: man funk. And how I got out of it is

471
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: I just cremated her. Had a little Kentucky bourbon saved

472
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: her ashes and started me a bird. It was a

473
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: big fire, just a bunch of fire there at the house,

474
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: and I still remember there after I lost another one

475
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: or two. The ex wife was driving out there and

476
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: he kids says, what's daddy doing? He says, he just

477
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: burn it another one of these dogs. Tree story one

478
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: percent track. Well, I'd be honored to have Shorty up there. Okay,

479
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. Yeah, we may burn him together if

480
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: you want. I want to get back to this deal.

481
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: This is all great, he burned dog and everything, but

482
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: I want to get back to this walleye poetry. One

483
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: of the walleye poachers can accused walleye poachers, Chase Kaminski. Okay,

484
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: listen to what he is in trouble for now. This

485
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: is from the Yahoo dot com finance. How do you

486
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: has there may been to Hermitage, Ohio? How do you

487
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: say that it's Hermitage Hermitage and it's it's Hermitage, Pennsylvania,

488
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: not Ohio. Oh you sure? Yeah? Check this out date

489
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: line of February sixth, Hermitage. I'm reading the article A

490
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: Hermitage man accused of cheating in a fishing tournament by

491
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: putting weights in fish. We got weights in fish. Is

492
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: facing more legal difficulties, this time involving the passing of

493
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: fake currency in a bowling alley chase. Elliott Kamenski, thirty six,

494
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: twelve years younger than me, well now thirteen youngers and

495
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: years younger than me, was charged Monday along with his

496
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: son Caden Kamenski, eighteen because their address with conspiracy to

497
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: commit forgering with related charges after employees said they've passed

498
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: fake one hundred dollars bills and ten pin alley video

499
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: surveillance I'm skipping around. Video surveillance from January twenty shows

500
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: one hundred dollar bill with for my year that the

501
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill says on it promotion picture purpose is

502
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: only not legal tender. So they got prop money from

503
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: a movie. Um he bought fifty six worth dollars worth

504
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: a ship with his with his fake hunterd dollar Bildon

505
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: got forty four legal tender and change they got to

506
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: investigate him. My favorite part is the text exchange. It's

507
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: it's said for motion pictures only in yours. They don't

508
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: blame the victim. You're blaming the victim. No, you didn't

509
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: let me finish ahead. I was gonna say, how stupid

510
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: can they be by like trying that? Pretty stupid? He

511
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: says he got the money when he sold a PlayStation

512
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: to someone in Akron, Ohio and didn't realize they were fake.

513
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: Read the text exchange, Yden, this is Chase's son, so

514
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: Caden texts as old man texted the Wallee says, sh

515
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: dash t worked. I think the journalists I know. I'm

516
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: just okay, shit worked. Chase awesome, should do another one

517
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: from me tomorrow, Kaden says, Chase, you're still bowling. Kaden says, yeah,

518
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: bring bring one of those hundreds, Chase, Okay, you can.

519
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: You can come play. Cosmics starts at eleven. Nothing bring

520
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: a father and son together like a couple of eight

521
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bills and have a bowling alley. It's cosmic bowling.

522
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Nothing brings them together. Here's something interesting. Oh sorry, guy,

523
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: you wanted to revisit this dog cremating thing. Well, yeah,

524
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: it's just picked curiosity. Uh. I'll cremate them, you know,

525
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: I'll have some random far wood or tree top or

526
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: maybe some pallets. Pallets work really good because you can

527
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: stack them up like three pallets high. Sandwich. That dog

528
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: in there puts them on the top. It's a yeah.

529
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: And then when it's all over with, I just go

530
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: in there and pick up some bones, ashes, maybe a

531
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: name tag or something, because I'll burn them with her

532
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: collar on. I don't want to reuse that collar, right,

533
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: because that's that dog's collar. You know. It's different than

534
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: re hunting the same ground. You know that dog earned. Yeah,

535
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: doing a re hunt, that dog earned that. We're gonna

536
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: get into that. I'm gonna lead the way on that one. Men,

537
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Me and guy are gonna leave that discussion. We have practice.

538
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean we have practice on that. I'm not doing

539
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: a re hunt, but I just go I'd look to

540
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: hear you address the issue of a hunt up up.

541
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: You know, some bones and stuff, and I've got them

542
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: in little ziplock bags and I've got a leather pouch

543
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: with some frayed on. It's like a mountain man pouch there,

544
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: and I've got several dogs and there Bobby Jango, you

545
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: hunted with Bobby Jango. He's he's in there, but bad

546
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: told going there morning. He'll go in there, but man,

547
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: butcher's shit, he may out last mate. He's like ninety

548
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: one right now. He'll be thirteen this come in July.

549
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: And you know, he didn't really do a real good

550
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: job hunting. But man, I had three male dogs in

551
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: the kendle together and they got in a damn brawl

552
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: because br five four nine he had an injured foot.

553
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: So super stout Shorty is the only one that come

554
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: out of the first day, you know that we hunted

555
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: with and we took but a bad toe too. But

556
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: he did really get out and hunt around, but you know,

557
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: we made it. I just think it's really harmable that

558
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: you do that with your dogs. It's I just think

559
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: that's really cool. Only the really good dog, yes, that's

560
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: my only really good The other ones I would just

561
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: bury him, putting the ground, but the other ones were

562
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: going to be with me. And when my ashes to

563
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: get cremated, I've got my tombstones already at the house.

564
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: A piece of a piece of limestone from just about

565
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: four hours north of here, from Drummond Island. Oh you

566
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: got a piece up there? Yeah, I got a piece

567
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: of that flat limestone off that of course, out of

568
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: a souvenir shop. You know, I wouldn't pick anything off

569
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: of public in up there, and I haven't got a

570
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: half of a sandstone now a half of a limestone

571
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: fence post that come out from Middle Kansas where they

572
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: use limestone for fence post. Out there, the checks could

573
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: could hear those things out. And my good friend Zach

574
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: was out on an up and bird hunt, said, man,

575
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: I like to get one of those. He dug one

576
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: out of a ditch, big massive thing, so it keeps

577
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: me grounded when I go on the door. I got

578
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: drumming out on a little left. I got Kansas on

579
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: the right, so that would be my markerstone. Have you

580
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: begun chiseling on that headstone yet? Man? It just so

581
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: happens that I have a stone sculpture buddy from Nashville, Tennessee,

582
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: and he's gonna put my name and what I won't

583
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: inscribed on there? What do you want inscribed on it?

584
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't. You're on your way to

585
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: a rehunt. I would I would say, I would say

586
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: that's what's going on there. I'm going, Yes, that's what

587
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: I think you should have. What do you say when

588
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: it's squirrels dead and you you let your dogs know?

589
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh yea and dead, yeah in a hole

590
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: and dead but I'm not gonna be in a hole.

591
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be dead. There's no doubt we're all gonna die,

592
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm gonna live too. I die. What

593
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: did you have to say about re hunts? I told

594
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: y'all was wrong in that case. In that particular case,

595
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: I was wrong. Well, I do re hunts. You know.

596
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: It was in New Mexico. You know, your ibex hunting

597
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: me and Raymond was out scouting around trying to figure

598
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: out the blacktail jack rabbbit, the desert cotton tail and stuff.

599
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: And so we were out scouting around and I kind

600
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: of knew how you were, so I didn't say nothing

601
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: about hunting this area. And you come in and you

602
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: saw our footprints on there. You said, Kevin, have y'all

603
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: been here? I said, we have been here, just scouting around.

604
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: Said man, there's plenty of rabbits in there. Says, let's go.

605
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: And so you took us on some death march up

606
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: next to the mountain with my war out knees, and

607
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I knew that you didn't like to hunt the same

608
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: territory over a rehunt. I rehunt doing a re hunt,

609
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: And what I have found is four rabbits, four rabbits

610
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: and squirrels are not only re hunting for squirrels either. Okay, okay,

611
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: you don't like re hunting for small gang, but you're

612
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: re hunt for big games. So we want to do

613
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: a spot and want to do a spot there day

614
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: and got a lot of rabbits out of it. We

615
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of rabbits, ran a lot of rabbits,

616
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: shot a lot of rabbits. And then these guys want

617
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: to go back to the same spot, and I was like, man,

618
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to do a re hunt. We already

619
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: shot all kinds of rabbits out of there, and and

620
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we're gonna go in there. Take five steps.

621
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: There's a rabbit places, four rabbits, man rabbits or where

622
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: rabbits are, and you've got to find out where they've

623
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: got food protection and briars in there. And that's what

624
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: they had. You know, when we saw rabbit tracks, we

625
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: jumped rabbits. They were in the thickest part of that

626
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: that place, that corridor. I truly believe that they will

627
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: move in if they were on their fringes, all small

628
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: game like squirrels. I mean, there was one place when

629
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Speaker 1: we were we were hunting squirrels on edge of Tennessee's

630
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: probably back in Man. I don't know if my my

631
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: buddies from Alabama and West Virginia were in there. It's

632
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: like Wildcat Holla. It was just cram packed full of squores.

633
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: You could go in there and get your limit and

634
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: we would all say, or where are we gonna hunt today? Well,

635
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: we don't know, Well, somebody would end up in Wildcat.

636
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: It got hunted every single day, and every anybody that

637
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: one hunted in every they got twelve squirrels, they would

638
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: just the food was in there or something safety whatever,

639
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: but it just got penalty. You just couldn't kill them out.

640
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: You could not kill them out of Wildcat Holler. And

641
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I see that, you know, I see that once rabbit

642
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: hunting a place and we'd go in there, kill four

643
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: swamp rabbits, let it rest just a little bit, go

644
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: back in there. You know. We wouldn't pound the next day,

645
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: but we would go back in there. It's habitat. Man.

646
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Guy has got the habitat up. He's got weed seed,

647
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: he's got briars, he's got small game corridors where he

648
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: has a food plot. Here he has water here, he

649
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: has a shelter belt. He has got it figured out.

650
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: This is what we need. We do not need oceans

651
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: in seas of nothing but native grass in those thick places,

652
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: small game, these rabbits. You look at that and you think, man,

653
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: there's nothing in there. But you look at that stuff.

654
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: There may be a little stream or a drain. There's

655
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: four lane highways in these thick places of briars and

656
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: weeds and trees and stuff. A rabbit's gonna run in

657
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: places of least resistance. Now in the beginning, he may

658
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: run through some thick stuff, but he's gonna try to escape.

659
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna take him a rabbit highway. It might be

660
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: a two lane, it may be a four lane. And

661
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: when you figure those out, when you can read that

662
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: road map a small game, you'll become a better small

663
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: game hunter. Yeah. I truly believe it's a great rabbit

664
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: habitat great probably some of the best rabbit hunt I've

665
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: ever seen. It's very good. It is very good. This

666
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: this is laid out. I want even get some quail

667
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: up here. There may be winter extremes that freeze to

668
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: quail down. Because we had one back home in seventy seven,

669
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: seventy eight. But more on that line is the pheasants

670
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: that they talk about that they used to kill here. Oh,

671
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: that it definitely ain't from here. You know that they

672
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: to talk about pheasants right here that they used to kill. Yeah,

673
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: but that's those are from Asia. Yeah, but they are

674
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: a species that can handle this habitat. But cause the

675
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: glaciers come through here, you're in historic range. We saw that.

676
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I asked, you know, that's where the native not the native,

677
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: but they what do you call call that? But that's

678
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: where the pheasant range was, wherever the glaciers where they

679
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: stopped or stole glaciers in Kentucky. We don't have any

680
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: any uh any physics act. No, he's you're in. You

681
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: are right now south of Moskegan. You're close to the

682
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: historic range of the Northern bobweite Um. And then the

683
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: line now is a bit the line now has moved

684
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: quite a way as south. So you have it. So

685
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: you got about so dad, I do that they might

686
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: love it. Man, what do you think about doing that?

687
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: Buying a whole ship load of quail and turning them out? Yeah,

688
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: but I heard that that's that It never works well

689
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: I just said that tune. You were like, well, no,

690
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: but it's got to be wild. They got to get

691
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: We've got to get wild quail. You got to start

692
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: catching them. Yes, we got to trade something here in Michigan.

693
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: DNR has got to go somewhere and get some kind

694
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: of quail. Of course, with the bird flu and those

695
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: diseases stuff across the state lines and all that stuff,

696
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, but we got to figure out how to

697
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: get on repat Zucker might need to go vigilante. He

698
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: already is. I've seen action. He's a top notch preder

699
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: control guy. He joined my team. I immediately he went

700
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: to the top. He is right there, shoulder to shoulder

701
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: with me. Here's here's a good letter. A guy wrote

702
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: in We don't need to touch on that. It's great

703
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: with here, but here's here's letter a guy wrote in

704
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: so New Mexico. Um, I know this first hand because

705
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, who's who's a wild cattle catcher,

706
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: has been doing a bunch of work in New Mexico.

707
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: He catches wild cattle with hounddogs. In fact, in fact,

708
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to overshare here. I was on he

709
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: was on this podcast. I want his in I Don't

710
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Love to Dan YouTube Love the best time in the world.

711
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: You guys would be like blood brother nuts on a dog.

712
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Blood brothers. You guys would be like yo. You guys

713
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: would have a hell of a time. So he was

714
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: on this podcast he was talking about his business of

715
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: he catches cattle that can't be caught. In his words,

716
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what kind of cowboy, cow punch or

717
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: cow catcher you are, you can't do what he can do. Okay.

718
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: He uses his lion hounds and has trained as lion

719
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: hounds to bay cattle that can't be caught. So if

720
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: you got straight, if you're a rancher and you got

721
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: stray cattle and you get stray cattle off or they're

722
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: not supposed to be, they open the wilderness area. Whatever

723
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: you can't get him, he'll get them. You get cattle

724
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: that can't be pushed with a helicopter, can't be whatever

725
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to clean off wild cattle, so you can

726
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: put cattle on the ground that are tame and catchable.

727
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: He catches wild cattle that's been out there for generations,

728
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: not like a cow that was normal and went wild.

729
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: He catches them that were born wild with these dogs.

730
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm all in. He was on the podcast speaking about

731
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: his line of work and wound up giving a bunch

732
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: of work down in New Mexico. But the New Mexico

733
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: is getting serious about the wild cattle issue. They got

734
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: a plan now to go into the HeLa Wilderness, which

735
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: is tricky because there's certain constraints around what you do wilderness.

736
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: But going into the HeLa Wilderness is a plan in

737
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: place to do helicopter gunning to try to get wild

738
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: cattle the HeLa Wilderness. Of a listener wrote in wondering

739
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: about this, he's like, that's all finding good. I'm paraphrasing

740
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: that's all fine and good, But why is it not

741
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: part of the plan when they gunned down a wildcattle

742
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: to release GPS coordinates of the carcass immediately, Because he's like,

743
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: why let all that good beef go to waste? Do

744
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: you know for a fact that they let it all

745
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: go to waste? They shoot him and just leave them.

746
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: He wants them to shoot them and an immediately release

747
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: GPS coordinate so that people going there and butcher those

748
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: wild cattle and pack up choice cuts. Yeah, I mean,

749
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: yeah it He thinks they should do it during cool weather.

750
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: There'd have to be some kind of sign up things.

751
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: So there, you know, get on a list. Back home

752
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: in Kentucky, we bring in the gun ships, as I

753
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: call them. We've got a wild hog problem. People letting

754
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: him lose, thinking there's going to be some kind of

755
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: new sport with their dogs or whatever. And they brought

756
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: in a gun ship back in I'm thinking about twenty twelve,

757
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: fourteen fifty. I lose track of time anymore. And the

758
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: pilot said that was the densest population of wild hogs

759
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: that he had ever flown on. They killed like three

760
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Obion Creek bottoms there. They were going

761
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: in destroying the farmer's field. They were just getting like

762
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: on a corn row and just route all the way

763
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: down and just eat all the corn seed in there.

764
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: But they killed like three fifty the first year. They

765
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: come in late March when the vegetation is at the

766
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: thinness where they could see them and yes and shoot them.

767
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: They came back the next year they killed like one

768
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty something, and then they came back the

769
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: third year and they killed like thirty two. Then they

770
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: hired a professional trapper to come to come in and

771
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: try to catch those really super smart ones out there.

772
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: We have them at LBL right now. They brought in

773
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: the gun shehelp up there. I don't know. I was

774
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: told the numbers, but I don't remember, so I'm not

775
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: going to repeat anything. But the wild hogs are a

776
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: super big problem because there's the like the swine flu.

777
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, I was coming back from Sasasquan on a

778
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunt. I was sitting with a veterinarian that was

779
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: a swine veterinary that worked around the world. He had

780
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: grown up in Canada and worked his way over into

781
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: spin and a few other places in Europe. And he

782
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: was flying to Nashville and I asked, you, said, you

783
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: going there to see vacation or whatever. Said, no, I'm

784
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: going there for a seminar on the swine flu. And

785
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: he told me how bad it was. And then you know,

786
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: if you watched the news and seen that was going

787
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: on in China where they were killing millions and millions

788
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: of tame hogs, where the swine flu come in. And

789
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: he told me that that. You know, at customs coming in,

790
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: you know they check you for food, you know, not

791
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: processed like you know, if you had a country ham

792
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: that you cured at at your house over in Spain

793
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, they wouldn't let that thing. If it was

794
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: processed in plastic wrap, they will, they will let that through.

795
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes it will and sometimes it won't. But he told

796
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: me that someone could have some sausage if they cured

797
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and may have not went through the proper process. They

798
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: could bring it over here, take it out, eat a

799
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: sandwich out in LBL, throw it down, and then a

800
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: hog could come in there it eat it and then

801
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: start transmitting swine fleet from that. We had a hog expert,

802
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: a hog eradication expert on the show one time on

803
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: this podcast a couple of years ago, and he was

804
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: saying that he don't care about all the big numbers.

805
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: That's not interesting to him. Like the guys that go

806
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: into an area and they catch two hundred, three hundred,

807
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: He's like, whatever, you know what he's interested in. He's

808
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: interesting the guy that catches the last one. Yes, exactly.

809
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: We all are esportunate. Yeah, because because they are vectors

810
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: for a wildlife and vectors for our farming industry. Well,

811
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: his point being that the skill set the experts are

812
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: the ones that get like any anybody can do the

813
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, let's say you got a hundred catching ninety

814
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: seven them whatever. But the guy that he likes is

815
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: the guy that can go in and get the last three,

816
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: because that's the hard part. He's the guy. Yeah, that's

817
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: what becomes he is. He is like actually doing an eradicate,

818
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: like thinning back numbers is one thing, but doing like

819
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: an absolute eradication is a difficult job. I understand that one, yes,

820
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: yes to get the last one the smartest one, and

821
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: hogs are super smart. They are way up there on

822
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: the on the smartness scale. I'm always talking about how

823
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm always talking about um, this guy, says Steven episode

824
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: four one one was bemoaning the lack of clear representation

825
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: of hunters by the two major US political parties. Check

826
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: this out. Guess what Australia has for a political party.

827
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: They have a political party called the Shooters, Fishers and

828
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: Farmers Party. I like that, man, I'm gonna be a

829
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: member of that. I like that. You know what they

830
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: do in Australia, it's weird. You have to vote, compulsory voting.

831
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: No shit, that's the weirdest thing in the world. Why

832
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: did you make people vote? Why would you want to

833
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: dilute your vote? That's what I remember my my civics

834
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: teacher in schools like he was trying to teach his view.

835
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: His name was al de Young, and he was staying

836
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: up in front of the class and he'd say, why

837
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: would I be He a lot of the government teachers

838
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: were trying to encourage their kids, that their students to

839
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: register to vote. He would say, why would I want

840
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: you people to vote? Why would I dilute my vote?

841
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: And he'd always point his two thumbs at himself and

842
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: he'd say, I'm concerned only with what af facts? Al

843
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: de Young, and that was his Civics lesson. You don't

844
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: want people to vote. He's like, if I had in

845
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: my way, I'd be the only guy that voted. Right,

846
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: they make you vote. I didn't know this till now.

847
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: Either way they have them. Wasn't name of that party?

848
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: Hunter Fishers and Farmers Shooters the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party.

849
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: Here's the problem it only it only pulls point six

850
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: percent of the vote. Over the last twenty five years,

851
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: they've ranged between point six and one point seven. That

852
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: was the hell of a good year. One point seven

853
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: three percent. Huh. He says voting is compulsory in Australia.

854
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: The listener, which may skew numbers, Let me damn sure

855
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: would skew numbers making everybody vote? What kind of lunacy

856
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: would you get if everybody had to vote? You actually

857
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: got a guy that doesn't want to vote, and you

858
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: make them go vote. You just got to pull the lever, Like,

859
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: why do you want his opinion? No, I really want

860
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: your opinion. You don't care, you don't know anything, but

861
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: I really would like to know what you think. I

862
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: if that's true that you have to vote. Here's another

863
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: interesting letter that came in. Check out this headline I found.

864
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: This is an email subject line I found a human

865
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: skull while shed hunting. Yeah, that's interesting catches my eye.

866
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: Podcast listener in Massachusetts, this was out shed hunting, found

867
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: an unexpected deadhead. My wife and I managed to buy

868
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: our first house here in Westfield, Massachusetts last October. He's

869
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: only got a little chunk of land, but behind it

870
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: as a big track of forest owned by the city,

871
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: White Pine and Wetlands green Space right a ton of

872
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: deer activity. He's been doing a bunch of shed hunting

873
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: at there, went out on a real cold day and

874
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: hunting sheds. Now here's him talking. I've been looking for

875
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: sheds for about an hour and was starting to loop

876
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: back around in my house and noticed that the largest

877
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: section of wetland that I'd yet to muck through was

878
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: finally frozen over. I was pretty confident deer had been

879
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: pushing through there, but I hadn't yet strapped up hip

880
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: waiters to check it out. I walked on the ice

881
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: and followed a game trail through the cat tails, and

882
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: at about twenty feet I noticed there was a tiny

883
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: island with a small red maple just barely hanging on

884
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: in the center. I got onto the island and right

885
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: smack next to the tree was a human skull. Huh,

886
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to have that happen to me. It looked deliberate,

887
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: how perfectly it was in the center of the small

888
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: little sectional land. This man's an excellent does a great

889
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: job explaining this right. Yeah, even nailed the tree species.

890
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Huh, that's some dude's skull, followed

891
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: promptly by it. That's gotta be fake. So I flipped

892
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: it over with my boot. It was most certainly not fake,

893
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: seeing as it still had its fillings on the molars. Wow.

894
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't typically bring my cell phone out with me

895
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: when out behind my house, so I had to head

896
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: back home. At this point, I was pretty asked it

897
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: wasn't the deadhead I was looking for, but I already

898
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: knew I had a great story to tell my wife.

899
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: I got home, told my wife parentheses pretty shocked, then

900
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: called the cops. At this point, it was four thirty PM,

901
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: five degrees fahrenheit. A lot of details. Yeah. I suggested

902
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: to the dispatch we'd go out the following morning when

903
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: it'd be light, but that didn't fly. Two cops got

904
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: to my place and I brought him out back. I'll

905
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: note there's about an eighty foot elevation drop at roughly

906
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: forty five degree angle behind my house. This guy is

907
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: just made for this kind of thing, playing out. Eighty

908
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: foot elevation drop, forty five degree pitch. You know what,

909
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: that's a very steep pitch. He might be wrong. I'd

910
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: love to check that. When I brought them to the spot,

911
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: the lead investigator came to the small island while the

912
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: other state a bit outside. He looked at the school

913
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: and confirmed it was real. Then a second bone caught

914
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: my eye. Just under the cops boot. Sticking out of

915
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: the water was a femur. I feel like a dumb

916
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: ass for this, but I didn't have my phone on

917
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: me before and I hadn't gone out to take a

918
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: picture before the cops arrived, so no picture. I asked

919
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: the investigator if I could take a pick after we

920
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: found the femur and got a pretty hard no. Still

921
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: kicking myself for that one. I spent the next few

922
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: hours helping some additional cops navigating ATV close to the wetland,

923
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: then called at night while they stayed out in searched

924
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: the area for a few more hours. The remains ended

925
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: up being from a guy down the road that went

926
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: missing three years back. Apparently he wanted to live off

927
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: the grid. I thought I'd be more shocked to find

928
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: human remains, but it made more of a philosophical impact

929
00:56:53,680 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: than an emotional one. Think about that. Overall, it was

930
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: a wicked experience. Here's a good story right for this one. Yep, Kevin,

931
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: as you'll appreciate this one alright. Aggressive squirrels forced Florida

932
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: Country Club to consider relocation. These are my kind of squirrels.

933
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: On a golf course. Maybe I might want to bring

934
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: some of them up here and you can, Kentucky. This

935
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: is amazing SETTHEWS says you're good at regional proNT Windermere,

936
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: Windermere Windmere. It's not Windmere wind Windermere Windermere Country Club.

937
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Is that quote peak playability right now? Unless you count

938
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: the squirrels. The twenty seven hole Naples, Florida Golf Complex

939
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: is going through quite an ordeal when it comes to

940
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: regional wildlife. Squirrels in the area are being nuisances in

941
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: all sort of ways. Is beginning to force the hand

942
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: of the Windermere higher ups. They're probing relocation options for

943
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: aggressive squirrels. Yeah, I's never heard of an aggressive squirrel.

944
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Never heard It's here's a great here's one of my

945
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: favorite sentences of my life. We are looking into the

946
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: issue to determine the best outcome for both the squirrels

947
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: and our members safety. Oh you know, it's crazy, Candy

948
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: as I literally god man, as if golf couldn't get

949
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: any lower, go ahead. I literally just I saw my

950
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: phone light up. I literally just picked up my phone.

951
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: My buddy Ben Levy sends an article. It says aggressive

952
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: squirrels forcing Florida Country Club to consider relocation. What are

953
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: the chances he's just send me that article like picture

954
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: this man? What kind of person? What kind of first off,

955
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: I've made my feelings about golf, no one, but I

956
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: mean that you're goal. You can't, you can't, you're scared

957
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 1: to go golfing because the squirrels. You have a golf everything. Well,

958
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: there's a there's a tweet from a guy in his

959
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: handle as a Naples golf guy. I played the golf

960
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: course a lot. I would say the squirrels are persistent.

961
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: If you leave open food containers in your cart, they

962
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: will help themselves. I love these squirrels. You know what, man,

963
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: I think that if it goes well, they'll move that

964
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: golf course to another country and Scotland anything they like

965
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: golf over there. Moved to Scotland and and then have

966
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: that be a good hunting spot. A golf story about squirrels.

967
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: My uncle Pete or it was my uncle Gary, I

968
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: can't remember which one. Was golfing with my dad and

969
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: a squirrel was about two hundred and fifty yards out

970
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: running across the fairway and he hit a hit a

971
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: drive and a golf ball flew out there and I'll

972
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: send it hit something in ricochet and uh and then

973
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: he ended up getting that squirrel out in the fairway,

974
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: killed it, HM with a nine urn or what says.

975
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, Steve. If I was a golfer, I

976
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: would be so humiliated by this being an issue. No, no, no, no,

977
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: by you needing to like fret about how to handle

978
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: the risk of squirrels while playing golf. Maybe they should

979
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: just have Kevin come in there. They need to get

980
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: him some feral cats. That's what they need. They'll take. No,

981
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: they need to move the golf course to another country.

982
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: I think if we brought those aggressive squirrels up here,

983
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: because you got retreating squirrels here. Yeah, if we braid

984
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: those together, then that should be a state put squirrel Maybe, y'all,

985
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Just bring in some zucker squirrels.

986
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: They'll teach those squirrels how to steer clear. Um. Check

987
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: this out. This is kind of a news episode. You're

988
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: getting us. China trains squirrels to detect drugs. It's reported

989
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: an NPR. Now what I'll say it again? Did I stutter? Now?

990
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't paying at we were making hand signal. China

991
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: trains squirrels to detect drugs. As reported in an NPR,

992
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: a police squad in China claims it's trained squirrels to

993
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: detect drugs. Police sources told local news outlets the squirrels

994
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: keen sense of smell makes them suited for the task.

995
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: They haven't been deployed, but news of the rodent troop

996
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: went viral on Chinese social media. Let's be talking about TikTok,

997
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, the last guy on the planet, like, you know,

998
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: like this whole thing with TikTok and how it's like

999
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: it's basically like the Chinese spy balloon in your phone. Yeah, um,

1000
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: mercer long the Bobcat Tramper has it take Send me

1001
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: a TikTok. I can't even watch because I don't have it.

1002
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: He sent me a TikTok link. Yeah, he's wondering about

1003
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: putting them. He was like, he's asked me. They're talking

1004
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: about taking a mixing wild game meat with bacon soda

1005
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: and watched TikTok. Can't watch the video? Huh, um Clay,

1006
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: he tears a new one on or TikTok. Clay's like

1007
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: Joe TikTok. I know, I heard, I've heard of this.

1008
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: TikTok has stricter even though it's a spy and like

1009
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: spies on you, it has stricter stuff around hunting and firearms,

1010
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: really strict hunting and gun rules. You know why, because

1011
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: they don't Well, I could go down away conspiracy rabbit hole, right,

1012
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: like what kind of people they're trying to draw in?

1013
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: Trying to draw in the lambs and not the wolves,

1014
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: that's right. So, but this is very interesting. So a

1015
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: police squad in China claims its successfully trained squirrels to

1016
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: detect the smell of drugs. This is an interesting part. Please.

1017
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: Sources told local news outlets that the squirrel's keen sense

1018
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: of smell and you're ready flexibility make them uniquely suited

1019
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: for the task. So that spy balloon it what over

1020
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: Florida is a dropping spy? Squirrels drop better retrieving aggress

1021
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: it with a spar That might be man. They might

1022
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: be like, hey, man, when we're done spying on the

1023
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: military installations, if we can zap up somebody's aggressive squirrels

1024
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: from this golf course in Florida. I'm training them to

1025
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: drug sniff squirrels put them back into TikTok squirrel. I

1026
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: saw one of those squirrels here sniffing around sets bag.

1027
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: So maybe Suck has a few that's nutty. No drugs,

1028
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: So the trail mix the cheng Quinn city, please, I'm

1029
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm mutilating the name choung Quinn City. They

1030
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: have a dog brigade. They now have a subunit of

1031
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: six squirrels. They have a dog brigade. It must not

1032
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: be curs or fee. They're using red squirrel They're using

1033
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: red squirrels because the dogs would be after the squirrels, right,

1034
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: because they can sniff out drugs and the nooks and

1035
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: crannies of warehouses and storage units. Hm. The picture of

1036
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: that squirrel that they have looks a little different than

1037
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: our red it is, but there's a lot of kind

1038
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: of red squirrels. I think red squirrels are basically, uh,

1039
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: transpolar do you know, like the blue like, for instance,

1040
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: the blue muscle is transpolar like if you if you

1041
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: take ah, that's not the right word for it. Look

1042
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: up what the word for it is. If you take

1043
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: a latitude band, Okay, there's some species if you like

1044
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: the polar bear. For instance, you can take a latitude

1045
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: band so it would be zero to whatever latitude and

1046
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 1: run it across the whole planet. That latitude band whole

1047
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: holds that species. I believe moose are like this. You

1048
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: can take a latitude band in the northern hemisphere and

1049
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: and and take that band. So let's say with Moose,

1050
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, thirty to I don't

1051
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: know what, right, thirty to forty five whatever, and run

1052
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: that latitude band around the whole globe, the whole planet.

1053
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: They exist in that latitude band. Blue muscles that have

1054
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: a latitude band all the way around the planet. It's

1055
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: called circumpolar. Circumpolar. Yeah, transpolar is transpolar existing across either

1056
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: of the polar regions. You know. Here's another good words

1057
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: I learned one day is if if you know, when

1058
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: you were a kid, you thought if you dug down deep,

1059
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: you'd pop out in China at any point on the

1060
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: planet if you were to, if you were to burrow

1061
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: straight through, so the longest axis through and pop out,

1062
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: that's called your antipods. M hm. So you I don't know,

1063
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: if you'd like started digging right here Chester and popped out,

1064
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: you'd pop out at your antipities. Where would I pop out?

1065
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: That's a good question. But once you popped out, you

1066
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: this is metaphysical. Once you popped out, you would be

1067
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: sitting at your antipities. M that's that's it. Could and

1068
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: see what right here? Yeah, it's probably an app. If not,

1069
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: we should develop an app called the Antipities app and

1070
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: it'll always tell you what your antipities is. Man, we

1071
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: got this, We got this tunnel, like, uh, what was

1072
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: that movie that I saw where it had that hole

1073
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: in it? That Western thing? Did y'all see that? M? No,

1074
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: what was that name? It had the guy from uh,

1075
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: scratch your beer? Old Country, No country for McCarthy, O man,

1076
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: No country for omen? Yeah? Uh you Ellen was the

1077
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: like the star guy in the thing. And then any

1078
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: hid Luellen? Yeah, lou Allen. This hole that he popped

1079
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: out of on his property. It was like going down

1080
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole. YO, didn't see that? That's all the

1081
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: movie A bunch of times when no one pops out

1082
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: of a hole in the yard. Yeah, that's worth that's

1083
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: a new world lou Ellen coming from he come out

1084
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: of that hole. I think we'd be somewhere right in

1085
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean. I don't think he's talking about no

1086
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: country for old man now I was talking about But

1087
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: there was another that was another series of about I

1088
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: don't know, eight shows, nine shows, and uh, yeah, it's

1089
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: pretty interested. That was. I can't remember. I haven't seen that. Now.

1090
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: My kids have a great kids book called Sam and

1091
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: Dave Dig a Hole. And they dig a hole and

1092
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: they dig, dig, dig, dig dig, And what's weird is

1093
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: they eventually fall through the other side of the planet

1094
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: and they fall through the sky and land in their

1095
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: own yard. Because love that book. What's it called Sam

1096
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: and Dave Dig a Hole. I think that's what it's called.

1097
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: Look up Paduca, Kentucky. I want to know. You know,

1098
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: when they land in their yard, it's a little bit different.

1099
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: If you compare the pictures in the beginning. Some things

1100
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: change when they fall from scott they come out, they

1101
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: plunge out the other side of earth fall and flop

1102
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: right in their own yard and they're fine. But if

1103
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: you look, shit's a little different. M So instead of

1104
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: reading from left to right, they read from right to left. Uh,

1105
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: these the police and the um oh this goes on.

1106
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: I got this more parts of this they have the

1107
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: Chong King Seun King Police Department. They have not returned

1108
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: m requests for comment on their drug sniffing things. But

1109
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: here's the thing I didn't know about. In two thousand

1110
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: and two, the Pentagon backed project to use bees to

1111
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: detect bombs. Meanwhile, Cambodia has deployed trained rats to help

1112
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: bomb disposal squads trall mine fields or buried explosives. I

1113
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: don't want that job as a rat. Fucking back, as

1114
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: a rat, I don't want to do that. So how

1115
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: do they use bees to don't know. I haven't read

1116
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: up on it, and I'll follow back. That's pretty bizarre.

1117
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: I could see a rat training them to do feed

1118
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: them some C four or something or you know what

1119
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: they smell C four. They get a reward. Yeah, you know,

1120
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: I could see trading that, roading that road in mind

1121
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: to do that. But a bee is a whole different.

1122
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: Associate it with some kind of collen or something. Yeah,

1123
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: like you don't like discipline the b when it does bad. No,

1124
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: I know, I was told about some of the you

1125
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: roll up a newspaper, you can't hit them a little

1126
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: bit on the nose. Some of the mountain people that

1127
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: I knew. They said to find in the mountains, to

1128
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: find a wild colonies to bee, you know, honey. They

1129
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: would tie something a thread or something they could see

1130
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: on a on a wild honeybee and let it fly

1131
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: up and then when it leveled off. They knew that

1132
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: there was probably a B tree in that area, and

1133
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: used to when I really did a lot of prowling

1134
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: and this stuff, I knew were like five or six

1135
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: wild b trees were located. Now I only know where

1136
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: one is because I would say that. And I don't

1137
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: prowl around, you know, as much as I used to.

1138
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,919
Speaker 1: But I was to me, I'm mark of a woodsman

1139
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: where I'd be out prowling around, you know, looking and

1140
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: finding a wild B tree. Yeah, it's it's funny you

1141
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: bring this up because there's a couple. This is a

1142
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad he brought this up. Maybe you could shed

1143
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: some light on something for me. There's a Tom Petty

1144
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: song in which Tom Petty says, sure, did you ever

1145
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: watch that great documentary about Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

1146
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: called Running Down a Dream? The first time any of

1147
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: those guys were ever west of the Mississippi River is

1148
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: when they went to La to try to make it

1149
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: as musicians, and they no kidding, phoned a rap of

1150
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: paper that had a bunch of record producers names on

1151
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: it in a phone booth and started calling those numbers.

1152
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: That's a Michigan elbow grease in Florida, people. What was

1153
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: I getting that? Oh? There's a Tom Petty song where

1154
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: he says I can track a single bee to its hive. Okay.

1155
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: I have a friend whose name was Layton, and he

1156
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: lived in Montana, and he would as a hobby, he

1157
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: would make his own boot wax and he would make it.

1158
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: Would he'd make a triblend boot pitch okay, bees wax,

1159
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: bear grease, pine pitch okay, equal parts to treat his boots.

1160
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: He'd get his own pine pitch. He'd get his own

1161
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: bear grease, and he'd get his own bees wax, and

1162
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: he would find it. He would make it a hobby

1163
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: of his. In the summer, he would go out until

1164
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: he saw a honeybee flying, and he'd watch, and he'd

1165
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: watched where he couldn't see it anymore, okay, And then

1166
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: he'd go stand in that spot and mark it with

1167
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: a piece of surveyor's tape, and the next time he

1168
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: had time, he'd stand in that spot and he'd wait

1169
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: and wait and wait and wait and wait for honeybees

1170
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: to come along there, and he'd watch far as it

1171
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: would go, mark that spot and hang out there, and

1172
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:39,560
Speaker 1: he used to routinely find wild honeybees that way. It

1173
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: would be interesting to know if he figured that out

1174
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: on he's his own, or if some warning got told

1175
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: him about that. Well, that's why I think he I mean,

1176
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he learned it from Tom Petty,

1177
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: but that's what. That's what. And when you're listening to

1178
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: Tom Petty, and like all the everybody on the planet

1179
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: has heard I can track a single bee to its hive.

1180
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: But I wonder how many people have any how many

1181
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: people listen to that and they just like hear it

1182
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: and it goes through their brain, but they don't understand

1183
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: at all what it means. They don't understand, like what

1184
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: that level of what he's saying about that level of prowess.

1185
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: You brought up No Country for Old Men, and I

1186
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: brought this up before. In the end of No Country

1187
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: for Old Men, the character is describing a dream and

1188
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: he dreams that he and his father are riding horses

1189
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: in a blizzard and his father rode ahead carrying a

1190
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 1: horn of fire. No one knows what that shit means.

1191
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: If you listen to the show. If you listen to

1192
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: the show, you know what that means. But like, how

1193
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: many things enter your brain from media or whatever, music, art,

1194
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: and it just that's the noise it makes when it

1195
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: goes through sets head. Its probably sounds like, yeah, most

1196
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: most of that feats my head. It's in and out. Um,

1197
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: I can track a single bee to its hive. I

1198
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: would love something. I want to set myself to doing

1199
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: that someday. But the thing is now you brought it

1200
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: up with like with rampant use of pesticides, changing farm practices,

1201
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: colony collapsed this order like we're running out of that

1202
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: ship less pollinators, and we got this monol culture of

1203
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: seas of soybeans and corn and not any like. Um,

1204
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: look milt miltweed that we used to have for the monarchs. Yeah,

1205
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of milkweed. I asked him if

1206
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: he planted that milkweed. He says, he's, he's he just had,

1207
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: he just got and it's coming more and more and more.

1208
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: Milkweed here. Yeah, there's I got milkweed pods off a

1209
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: Drummond Island, but we'd up that far north. But I've

1210
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: been trying to collect. I've got some kids and they've

1211
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: sent me some some uhum mit weed pods. Did you

1212
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: do you know what they was used? Ordering? Uh? W

1213
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: W two? I know what I use them? Oh yeah,

1214
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: when checker wouldn't they make them? They're making silk or

1215
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: something or no, no, no, I'm wrong about that. No,

1216
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what about it, fisherman. What what's y'all's PFDs? Uh?

1217
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: Right now? What is it made out of? But they

1218
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: made they use it as a floatation device for add

1219
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: you're kidding me? Nope, I knew the calculations. I did

1220
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: some research on it. But they don't only last so

1221
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: long they become waterlog But they collected huge amounts of

1222
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: for PFDs. For PFDs, yes really, yes, two? Now I'm

1223
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: learning great stuff, man, that's great. Yeah. What I like

1224
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: to do is in my in my FHF vinyl harness

1225
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: or is this little kind of like pockey You can't

1226
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: really figure out what what you'd put in air? It's

1227
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: like for what it's actually for a mouth call. It's

1228
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: a perfect size. You put a red call like a

1229
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: mouth calling air, and one on each side. It is

1230
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: never gonna come out in a thousand years, but it's

1231
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: just there if you want to grab it out. When

1232
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: I see milkweed, I take the milkweed. What are you

1233
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: two having like a little night? Do you think about it?

1234
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: We have bondedge, we have we have spent three is

1235
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble when he comes to Kentucky. Man,

1236
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: all them patches I got on my jacket, I'm gonna

1237
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: have to like call the on me. It's like, man,

1238
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: I need some help. What does my jacket side says?

1239
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 1: All kinds of stuff? This is like a jacket. He

1240
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: looks like an old nineteen seventies Harley Rider because he's

1241
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: got so many patches sewing on to his hunting coat. Oh, man,

1242
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: on the FHF Binal harness. There's like these little mouth

1243
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: caall things. I like to keep one of those packed

1244
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: full with milkweed. Oh, let's say that it's not the

1245
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: actual seed, it's the little white stuff. It's the thing

1246
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: that carries the seed in the wind. You want to

1247
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: know what the winds doing? You take you reach in

1248
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: there it works, well, throw that up. You gotta just

1249
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: you have to be careful because if you take your

1250
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: die from turn you call or your elk call, and

1251
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 1: you put it in the wrong pocket with the milkweed,

1252
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: you can whip it out and get your mouth full

1253
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:13,440
Speaker 1: of a bunch of milkweed. In Michael Harre's book Dispatches,

1254
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: he talks about the lerps, the long range of constance

1255
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: patrollers in Vietnam. He talks about how they always kept

1256
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: uppers in the right pocket of their tiger suit and

1257
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: downers in the left pocket their tiger suit. I do

1258
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: like milkweed right, instead having uppers and downers, I do

1259
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: milkwed milkweed right, mouth call left. I don't mix them up. Good.

1260
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: I want to give you guys a little bit of

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01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: an update here after some research. If you dig a

1262
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: hole where we're sitting right now, the whole way through

1263
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: the earth, you end up somewhere in between the Indian

1264
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: and Southern Ocean, in the water kind of on the south.

1265
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: It would be the southwest tip of Australia. It's in

1266
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean, right. Yeah, funny you mentioned that, because

1267
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: when I learned the word antipities, I was reading a

1268
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: thing by the writer Ian Frasier, who's going to be

1269
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: coming on the podcast soon, and he had written a

1270
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 1: big He was from Ohio, and he talked about like

1271
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of towns and all people used to

1272
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: be obsessed with the antippities, Like can't in Ohio If

1273
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm not, I might be messing parts of this up.

1274
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 1: But there's towns around the country named after what they

1275
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: thought their antipities was. Like people used to really be

1276
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: into this antippities idea. And there's town's name where they

1277
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: had miscalculated what the antippities was and named the town

1278
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: after its antippities. So when you're a little kid and

1279
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: you're brought up thinking that if you dug through in America,

1280
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: you'd like dig through and land in China. He wrote

1281
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: a whole piece wasn't long, but he wrote a whole

1282
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: piece about what the antippities of his hometown in Ohio was.

1283
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: And he got into this kind of muck that's like

1284
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: twenty thousand feet deep in the ocean, and all this

1285
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: information about this muck down there, and like did a

1286
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: whole piece about his hometown's antippaities, which which was like

1287
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: this primordial muck deep in the ocean. Yeah, and coming

1288
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: back to me. Now, anywhere in the United States, the

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01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: antipit Antippaities would be in the in the water in

1290
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: the ocean. In the ocean. We should get my deep

1291
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: drop reel and go down there and deep drop. Yeah.

1292
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: Watch you dropped down there and catch chester. You see.

1293
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: Let's see a bait come up. Yeah, the hook with

1294
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: tennis in, Chad, dude, big sharp hook and put a

1295
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: tennis in on there and lower it down out in

1296
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: the Antippities are pretty soon. Liked to be out there

1297
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: on his boat and Kane ferry and all of a

1298
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: sudden a ten pound piece of lead come shooting up.

1299
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: We Uh, we're gonna wrap the show up. I got

1300
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: one last thing to say. Uh, we're having a conversation.

1301
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: Yes day, I learned that I was reading it when

1302
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: they shot one of those balloons, those spier it's probably

1303
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: not a spy bloom, but the one they shot over

1304
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,520
Speaker 1: leak here on right near here. Yeah, the first sidewinder

1305
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: missile missed. It missed the balloon. Wow. And we were

1306
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: talking about what if you boys been fishing Walwyes and

1307
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: got hit by that sidewinder missile Off Lake here on

1308
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: what a story. Yeah, I think there's only one thing

1309
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,560
Speaker 1: that would happen. Seth and I were both would be

1310
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: both looking at our meg alive and see something coming

1311
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: towards us. Chris Gill says, if that would have happened,

1312
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: he would have got good coverage of it. Yeah, that

1313
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: guy doesn't miss the hook set. Well, all right, got Kevin,

1314
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: you got anything left? You want to add? Special thanks

1315
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: to my dog wrangler that helped me on this trip

1316
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: that I couldn't have been dog, not your dog wrangler,

1317
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: My dog wrangler. Yeah, my dog wrangler. I was like, Nick,

1318
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: you had a dog named Ler. Yeah, my dog wrangler, Nick.

1319
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: That helped me immensely and made this trip more enjoyable. Ut. Yeah,

1320
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: worn out, worn in, worn in, I'm more in man guy,

1321
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: Like I said, We've got some adventures to do. That's

1322
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: for sure. That's for sure. Forward to Uh, you know,

1323
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: Chris said he could get us into Burning Man. So

1324
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: are you in r out? Yeah? So I think Zucker

1325
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: he might be more into your Burning Squirrel Festival in

1326
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: Burnie Squirreld. Yeah, we're gonna have that on the Ohio

1327
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: River sometime red in June. So yeah, we're all going

1328
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: to be river pirates for a weekend. So, um Man,

1329
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: this is a wonderful place. You've done a wonderful god

1330
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: job of of going to here and making habitat for

1331
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: I know you're turkey and a dear guy, but people

1332
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: don't understand turkey and dear habitat make great. Small game

1333
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: habitat small game to habitat makes great. It's all intermingled

1334
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: in there. That's the way I look at it. If

1335
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 1: if you're doing stuff for the rabbits and quail and

1336
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: the birds, you're helping them, Darren, the turkeys along briars,

1337
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: and we'd say, up everything, it's an amazing I mean

1338
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: it's it's an amazing property. So Matt who owns this place,

1339
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: he's on the TRCP board of directors. Guy does all

1340
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: the wildlife management out here, and you know, goes to

1341
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: show like what can be done, what can be done

1342
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: on a piece of recreational property with when you're able to,

1343
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 1: when you're in a position we're able to just to

1344
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: have the I don't want to say the luxuries not

1345
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: the right word, but it's part of that, right part

1346
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: of that, but also the tenacity, you know, and the

1347
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: will to do wildlife work and driving around here. I

1348
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 1: mean there's not a ton of it happening, but I

1349
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:53,480
Speaker 1: mean here it's just like and it's it's active control timberwork,

1350
01:22:54,200 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: burning planning. It's like active control bear dirt pollinators. I

1351
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: saw all the fling plants that you have out there,

1352
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: and you know, the bees, the butterflies. The chain of

1353
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: nature is here. You've got soul health. That makes plant health,

1354
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: but that makes wildlife health. Just what I see going

1355
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: on here. No, it's it's it's amazing, man, the amount

1356
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: of I mean, just like the bird let everything, it's

1357
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 1: it's an amazing it's an amazing place. I mean, you

1358
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: can imagine if if if we could double quadruple the

1359
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: acreage in this country that that was like this, because

1360
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: the cats out when it comes to human involvement, like

1361
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: the cats out of the bag, Genie's out of the bottle,

1362
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: whatever you want to put it. It's like leaving it

1363
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: alone is one Like leaving alone is one thing, but

1364
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't leaving it alone at this point, this used

1365
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: to all be This used to be old growth white pine. Okay,

1366
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: so in terms of what, um, you know, it's a

1367
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: little bit more north you here but you know, like

1368
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: old growth timber that's not coming back, you know, And

1369
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: at this point, it's like you gotta fight for every

1370
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: square inch of it, man. And it's like and that

1371
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of superactive management just makes incredible wildlife habitat and

1372
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: with all the invasives now and stuff, leaving it alone

1373
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: is just it's a scary thing. And this is one

1374
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: of the nicest little podcasts setups I've ever been at.

1375
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: You We've done a number of I'm sitting right here.

1376
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: Maybe that fire crackling, yea, a couple of weasels up

1377
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: above there checking us out stuff. Weasels. Chester has got

1378
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: his coz he's on. Yeah. Well, it's it's a privilege

1379
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: to work with Matt and be able to do the

1380
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: things that I do. But it's it's constant, you know,

1381
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm working for Turkey season and deer season and

1382
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: Turkey season. You know, it's just a constant battle of

1383
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: there's never downtime, you know, there's and that's the great

1384
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: part about it, you know, being able to see the

1385
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: future and what that field to look like. And we

1386
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: talked about what we were going to do with that

1387
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: field that we walked through and how we were going

1388
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: to connect it and I've already got a plan for

1389
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: two years from now for that, but I've got to

1390
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: let nature catch up to where I want to be

1391
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: able to utilize what it has to do. And the

1392
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: lack of roundup that we lose use here and now

1393
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: we do use it like in our food plots, but

1394
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, we just we don't use it very much.

1395
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: And we're not fence to fence. We're letting fence to field.

1396
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, we're letting it the briars and the milkweed

1397
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: and everything else coming along. And we've seen it the

1398
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: last year. It's really taken off. And that took three

1399
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 1: years to get there, you know. Yeah, but this is

1400
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: when you see if you if you listen to the

1401
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 1: show and you watch on social media of stuff we're doing.

1402
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: When you see us do the TRCP Raffle turkey hunt,

1403
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: this is where we hold that hunt. This will be

1404
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: this will be our third year. Yeah, So coming to spring,

1405
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: we do our raffle. People. You buy raffle tickets from

1406
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: five bucks apiece or something like that, and then we

1407
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: get lucky winners picked out of that raffle and then

1408
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: we host them for a turkey hunt for me in

1409
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: Yanas hunt turkeys. This is where we do that. This

1410
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: is where we do that. And we raised the boatload

1411
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: of money for TRCP doing that that raffle hunt. Man,

1412
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: that's great, that is great. I'm thinking we need to

1413
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: extend it, man and do a raffle where we do

1414
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: a rabbit hunt. I'll be in on that. I'll help God. Oh, Kevin,

1415
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: that was amazing that those beagles. Steve and I are

1416
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,919
Speaker 1: talking about how we gotta get some beagles out in Montana.

1417
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm not doing it until Kevin comes

1418
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: out with his and does an assessment, like a condition assessment. Yeah,

1419
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: it's just I'm just worried about the dry like like,

1420
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: is how boned are you gonna get by the dry air?

1421
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: The dry condition right right? You may have to you know,

1422
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: a puppy might acclimate right into the thing. Um you know,

1423
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: might have tried. But I'll bring the dogs out and

1424
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: we'll try that. Just kind of like this morning, you know,

1425
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: we were snowed in ice underneath we had a track

1426
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: and snow where we could see rabbits signs the dogs

1427
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: were hit or miss on the on the rabbits kind

1428
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: of get them going kind of lose them and they're

1429
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: at end. They were running. One rabbit pretty pretty decent.

1430
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: We might have been able to kill it, but in

1431
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: the beginning we just said, man and I said, we're

1432
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to kill them with the dogs.

1433
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to push through like we were sixteen,

1434
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: and go through the rough stuff and jump shoot the rabbits.

1435
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: That's what we did, and we got four rabbits. But man,

1436
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: that day when it was just wet ground, ohow, Yeah,

1437
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: the minute those things that day was incredible because the

1438
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: minute one of those dogs bellard, You're like, that's a

1439
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: dead rabbit because they're gonna run that thing by three

1440
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: times they need to. And then and then when that

1441
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: layer of ice, that layer of frozen rain on the ground,

1442
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: within that frozen snow on top of that, it was

1443
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 1: just incredible the difference it made. We steth Ball killed

1444
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: one stepping on it and it ran out, and the

1445
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: dog could tell that it had where it had been laying,

1446
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: but it couldn't pick up its exit out of there. Yes,

1447
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: because he melted a little pouch right head. It had

1448
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: melted there. Yeah, big difference, man, Yeah, that wet soul,

1449
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: that rich palectual deposit soul here. It the scent really

1450
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: stays in when singing conditions are above freezing well, and

1451
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: that On that note, I just want to thank you

1452
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: for bringing them dogs up here and Steve dreducing me

1453
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: to him because you know it burnt myself out on

1454
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: it for so many years and be able to pick

1455
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: up a gun and go do that. It was just

1456
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: it really meant a lot, and you bore than welcomes

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Speaker 1: enjoying myself a mena zucker got burned out on hunting guide,

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Speaker 1: took it out of explained that yep, and the good

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Speaker 1: Lord give it back to me, and I just I

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. It was just a really good day,

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Speaker 1: it really was. And then for you to shoot my

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Speaker 1: rabbit with my twenties here today and showing me how

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Speaker 1: it was done. I'm just put it in the case.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Uh. It was just a really good day,

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Speaker 1: a really good time, and I'm looking forward to getting

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Speaker 1: in trouble with you many many times. Burning Man, Squirrel,

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Speaker 1: Burning Squirrel as usual, Kevin Guy, thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show man, Thank you enjoyed. It won't be the

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Speaker 1: last time you boys have been on the show. But

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for having us money