1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You are now listening to Waiting on Reparations the production 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. My Name is Dope night, and 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: y'all are listening to Waiting on Reparation, Hurry up for 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: real ship speaking to students. Oh man, that's like the 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: perfect setup for the episode. But I mean, we can't 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: even get into that right away, right, I guess we 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: gotta like talk about the you know, being the show 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: that we are. I think it's only right that we 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: talk about or at least mentioned. Uh So, World War three? Uh, 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: how's that? Well? Um? I mean this episode is not 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: dedicated to that, so, you know, I don't want to 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: speak out of pocket without you know, reading fully what's what? 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: But more or less, uh Russia sent troops into the 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: rebel controlled regions of Ukraine. Vladimir Crutain did like hour 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: long speech and ship where he was pretty much justifying 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: going in there. So they're doing it as a quote 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: unquote peacekeeping mission to protect those uh new states that 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: they've recognized, the sovereign nations. And uh, it's kind of 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: everyone's saying it's like a pretext to war. What are 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: your what are your thoughts on it? It seems like 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: everyone was like really freaking out about it. But then 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: as the day went on, I guess not. But I mean, well, 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: it's not like, yeah, I felt like we're like loading 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: up aircraft full of you know, college kids to go 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: over there and drop them out of plane in parachutes. Today, 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: you know, people started freaking out. But it remains to 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: be seen how swiftly if any action will be taken. 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: Particularly I guess um they're being pressure from you know, UK, NATO, 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: other world UM leaders and allies of ours to see 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: what happens with imposing sanctions. UM. So well, you know, 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: we'll see how that plays out. I guess I give 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: me some release relief as someone that identifies as anti 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: war generally not really a big fan of them military 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: industrial complex. So um, yeah, that's where we had. Well, 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: those sanctions are definitely going to start flying like hot 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: cakes all over that place, man, um, I think it. 37 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: That's definitely gonna have an economic impact on the US. 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: I would imagine we'd imagine with like iron and aluminum, 39 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: maybe wheat and stuff like that. Even if not, they're 40 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: definitely gonna say it is to explain why no one 41 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: can afford anything. We need to talk about the inflation 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: ship too. At some point when we need you to 43 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that Georgia rent has increased in 44 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the last three years, what we need to talk about 45 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: is the fact that wages are not keeping up with 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: the natural rate of inflation in the first place. Like 47 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: if we do talk about inflation, we need to become 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: adding media narratives around the fact that it is to 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: do with I don't know, workers getting fucking unemployment insurance 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: or some ship and you know, actually take a look 51 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: at the fact that the CEOs you know what we're 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: talking about, types and foods or whatever are getting huge 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: bonuses right now there and they're the costs of their 54 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: goods is going up. Now that's because of inflation, because 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: they're just like paying officially because they have like all 56 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: these corporations are having record profit years and ship some 57 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of this is they're doing to a 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: large part, they're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: it to us. And then be like do you see peasants, 60 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, like this is what this is what you 61 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: have wrought with your labor shortage. How they're all of 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: you have a safe plantation down price of stakes on 63 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: the real though, like do you think that there's some 64 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: spite involved in it for all of the lab um 65 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: do you like on the real though, do you think 66 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: there might be some spike in it involved It's it's 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: interesting to me to consider to what degree in various 68 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: UM government policies are latently like forms of disciplining the populace, 69 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: like cutting off on employment insurance to like force people 70 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: back into an unsafely opened economy, etcetera. So I mean, 71 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if that were a part 72 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: of the calculus of like something like, oh, let's take okay, 73 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: at least, like, let's take advantage of this moment everyone's 74 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: talking about inflation, etcetera. You can probably just drive up 75 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: the price of goods and no one will notice, and 76 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: everyone will blame it on someone else. So let's get 77 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: that bag babe manufactured consent with the mainstream media, and 78 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: then you can kind of you know, um, So let's 79 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: let's get into you know we we will definitely dedicate 80 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: something to talking about that speci quickly coming up soon. 81 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: But what are we talking about today? We are talking 82 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: about higher learning. Yes, I had not. I was not 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: familiar with this UM film before because I was old 84 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: when it came out. Yeah, no, you hadn't seen it, 85 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: like only Yeah, I mean all I knew of ice 86 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: cube cinematic career was fucking Friday, And like, are we veryain? 87 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: That's crazy? I mean, I'm not saying I'm not saying 88 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: you're crazy, but I'm just saying, like, it's it's sucking 89 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: wild to take that in that. It's like, man, you know, 90 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: there's like a whole bunch of motherfuckers don't remember like 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: when the ice Cube and nice Tea first started being 92 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: in movies and ship like that, and you know, they 93 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: actually had some really good ones. But that was definitely 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: one of ice cubes better. I want to say it's 95 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: not really the star of it, but he's definitely one 96 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: of his better films that I loved. I loved his 97 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: his character, his acting in this. It was so dope. Anyway, Yeah, 98 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: we get into high today. We're gonna, yeah, we're gonna 99 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: be doing kind of a kind of review slash analysis 100 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: and you know, dig into the movie Higher Learning, directed 101 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: by John Singleton, starring Omar Epps, ice Cube, Christie Swanson, 102 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: Michael Rappaport, and Lawrence Fishburne. And if you look real close, 103 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: you'll spot some cameos by a young Jennifer Connolly and 104 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: a young Regina King and a young Buster Rhymes. It's 105 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: pretty wild the way the way that is, I was 106 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: um watching an interview with Michael Rappaport recently, and he 107 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: was just talking about being on that set because like 108 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: he's you know, bike a round for it's like hip 109 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: hopped out, you know. Like so he was just saying, 110 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: I was geeking being on like set with ice Cube 111 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: and Buster Rhymes and show. So that that's that's cool. 112 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: But we're gonna check it out. The movie is about 113 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: just to give you a little oh yeah, there's gonna 114 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: be spoilers in this, so we're giving a spoiler warning, 115 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: but just to give you a brief rundown before we 116 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: get into the jump. The story follows three students in 117 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: their freshman year to a fictional college, California college called 118 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: Columbus University. Uh. The film follows their differing struggles with 119 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: identity and the real world, and their storylines you know, 120 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: intermingled and intersect that it all comes to a climax 121 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: that's pretty tragic, and you know, I guess the filmmakers 122 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: are hoping that you get some lessons from it and 123 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: it you know, the Mariah was five when it came out, 124 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: but I was like twelve, I think, So we had 125 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: Higher Learning dubbed on a VHS tape in between like 126 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Married with Children and three Company and Ship. So it 127 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: was like a movie that I watched quite a bit 128 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: when I was younger, which watching it now is kind 129 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: of like, but hey, but yeah, it's a pretty heavy movie. 130 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: It's got a lot of heavy topics. I mean, we're 131 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: going we're jumping all over the place from like race, sexuality, rape, 132 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: white supremacy, the generation sheels, divide, class warfare. It's it's 133 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: got a lot to it. So we're just gonna, we're gonna, 134 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna go down and give our thoughts and then 135 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: dig into what this film is about and how it 136 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: portrays like college life and also I think like youth activism, um, 137 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: and how that differs from how things are now. Um. 138 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be right back with that after the jump. 139 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: All right, we are back. So, ladies and gentlemen, we 140 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: are talking the film Higher Learning. If you guys haven't 141 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: seen it, I mean we're gonna be spoiling the hell 142 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: out of it. So maybe you want to check it 143 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: out and come back and watch listen to the podcast. 144 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: But first going into it, I've seen it a bunch 145 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: and I've got some thoughts, but this being your first 146 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: time watching it, and then also for you, another thing 147 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: to consider between the two of us that like, you're 148 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: watching it for the first time as an adult. Yeah, 149 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: so you know, having a having done and been involved 150 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: in the things that you've been involved in. So what's 151 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: your takeaway from I mean, I felt like it was 152 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: pretty blunt with like some of its themes, Like specifically, 153 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: I think it's very well encapsulated in the scene where 154 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: ice Cube and like all of the black students are 155 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: chilling at the black hole and he's like, and there's 156 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: the Mexicans and they're the Asians, et cetera, in a 157 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: way that like today you might see more of a 158 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: nuanced presentation, even if you're tackling the same themes of 159 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: like you know, racism and um, the stuff like that 160 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: on a college campus. But then there were some subtle 161 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: elements to it that I thought were really interesting, Like, 162 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you could speak to this probably knowing 163 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: the director better than I. John, what else do you do? 164 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: Actually wait to hold on a second so John Singleton 165 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: directed Boys and directed Baby Boy. He directed that ill 166 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: fated Schaft movie back in two thousand. Perhaps there was 167 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: more of us in other films of his that I 168 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: have seen, if I thought there was like a ton 169 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: of like subtle justice. Yeah. So like from the scene 170 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: where the white students are at the frat party and 171 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: they're standing around and forcing a black girl to drink 172 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: beer from a funnel with her feet in a bucket 173 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: of ice, and the one dude, one white dude, pops 174 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: out and yelled, let's go cap us. Like I was like, 175 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: this is both subtle and not subtle about like some 176 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: real ship about like I think, more broadly, the abuse 177 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: of black people, uh, you know, stuff like that. Like 178 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: this one character I think it was, was it Remy 179 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: He had like a white zombie poster in his room 180 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: and his in his norm was like white zombies. That's 181 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: actually that's a that's a loaded that that whole scene 182 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: actually because his Okay, you know what, well, here's a 183 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: here's a good way to start this, right, how about 184 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: we introduce everyone listening, give them a brief cap of 185 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: the main characters the movie. Right, So you've got these 186 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: three kids getting into college for their freshman year. So 187 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: the first character is Malik, who's played by Omar Epps. 188 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: You might remember him from House or Um. Yeah, House, 189 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: all right, I sus been a lot of stuff. I 190 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: don't know why I'm blanking out right now. But so 191 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: Malik is kind of like an outcast, goes to his 192 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: own pace. He's one of those characters. There's a cool 193 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: there's there's a really on the nose scene to introduce him, 194 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: where the entire schools giving like their school you know 195 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: whatever hand gesture, like you know, like their schools sports 196 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: team hand jesterre and he's walking in the opposite direction 197 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: that everybody's standing, not giving the jester. And he's the 198 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: only person in the frame who's not doing the same 199 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: exact thing as everyone else. So to establish that he's 200 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: against the grain, he moves at his own pace. But 201 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: he's a star track athlete, and I guess you could 202 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: say his arc or his struggle in the movie is 203 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: he struggling with um being a scholarship athlete and having 204 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: to study and trying to do good in school at 205 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: the same time, as well as I feel gradually throughout 206 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: the movie becoming more radicalized in in black revolutionary politics 207 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: with the more things that he reads and the more 208 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: people that he's exposed and that's generally yeah yeah yeah. 209 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: And then like the remy guy is like getting radicalized 210 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: into like Nazism. And then ah, the main white girl 211 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: forgot her name, Christian Chris. Yeah, she's like getting into 212 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: like feminism and so as I'll touch on later. It's 213 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: interesting these themes and like what they mean about, um, 214 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: the way folks have reacted to the um consciousness raising 215 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: or quote or and or like radicalis and potential of 216 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: higher education. Um, it's interesting to see those things play 217 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: on this one. So um, okay, so let's talk about Malik, right, 218 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: So I just think that, you know, just to sum 219 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: up his art, it goes. It goes from him getting 220 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: scolded by ice Cube's character, who will get into later, 221 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: but it goes from him getting scolded by ice cubes 222 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: character for wanting to read the autobiography of Frederick Douglas 223 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: solely for a class to the last end scene he's 224 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: wearing a black panther shirt and he's moved out of 225 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: the dorms with he's you know what I mean, He's 226 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: he's moved into an all black dorm and and and 227 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: things of that nature. So like, what's your your initial 228 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: like feelings on that character. Do you think that because 229 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: every every character in this movie, every you know, character 230 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: is like an archetype of something, you know what I mean, 231 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: kind of bothered me. But it's also like I get it. 232 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's you know what, it's not like 233 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: I think if the movie was like an independent film 234 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: or like you know, like an art house film, I 235 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: think it probably would have been dealt with, like with 236 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: more nuance and so. But John Singleton at the time 237 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: was a big director. It was it was a pretty 238 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: anticipated film as like his frollologue to Poetic Justice and stuff. 239 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: So it was like a mainstream movie, you know what 240 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean. And I feel like some of some of 241 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: those aspects of it, like some of the clunkiness of it, 242 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, give it, give it the 243 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: understanding that it's like a glossy movie, theater movie that 244 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: they tried to like you know, ballsy, you know, dealing 245 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: with the subject matter that they were dealing with. But 246 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's kind of it's kind 247 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: of like a a diet version of some real ships. 248 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, but 249 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's helpful to like with these 250 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: archetypes then us see ourselves in the characters, you know, um, 251 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: like be you know, being with like Molik in the 252 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: elevator when like Kristin Line grabs her bag and pulls 253 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: it closer her Like we've kind of all been in 254 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: that sort of circumstance the professor, I mean, particularly in 255 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: my experience of working as a writing tutor as an undergrad, 256 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: like that whole encounter he has with the Lawrence Fishburn 257 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: character of like well your grammar and ship, like you know, 258 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: he wasn't good enough so you got like anphoni paper 259 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, though the content was like really interesting. Is 260 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: something that like is a very real struggle for people 261 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: that like professors, people of like how you're learning, um, 262 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: want of discredit people's knowledge based on the way they 263 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: present themselves, UM, which I think is a huge theme 264 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: of the movie, just like people discrediting each other based 265 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: on what they seem like and how they communicate themselves 266 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: and not necessarily like what the people know or who 267 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: they are. What do you think about some of the 268 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: back and forth between Laurence Fishburn's character and the lead 269 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: because Laurence Fishburn's character is he's much more of a 270 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: supporting role in this. I think he's only like five 271 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: scenes or so, but he is a political science professor 272 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: that several different you know characters in the movie. They 273 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: attend this class and they have them as a teacher, 274 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: and they have scenes where they're talking to him. But 275 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: his main dialogue between Malik in him, I guess could 276 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: be summed up as he's like from an older pull it, 277 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: pull yourself up from by your bootstraps generation and Malik 278 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: isn't like I think like Malik is like a gen 279 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: X version of like how a lot of a lot 280 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: of young activism. Now it kind of feels I feels 281 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: like he's like a precursor character character of that. Yeah, 282 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Malik is what Joe Rogan would call woke. You know 283 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Well, really it's what's his name? Fudge? Yeah, okay, 284 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: so next next character is Fudge. That's all he goes by. 285 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: There is no other there is no other Oh no, no, 286 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: I think calls him Mr White. Yeah. Yeah. Character ice 287 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: Cube's character, he's like a super duper senior. He's been 288 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: there for like six or seven years. He's got a 289 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: giant afro. He's super pro black. You don't take no ship. 290 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: Party is hard, but he hits the you know, he's 291 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: he's knowledgeable in in in the things that you know 292 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: he talks about. So what are your initial thoughts on 293 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: ice cubes? I mean both, it was both an archetype 294 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: and like handled pretty like definitely in that it seemed 295 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: very real, like the moment when they're talking about Frederick 296 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: Douglas and he's like, you've only ever read this for school, 297 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: Like that's like a real conversation I can imagine someone 298 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: engaging in, and like I think it's like a powerful 299 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: lesson for the audience even like oh, like you can 300 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: just learn. First of all, you just learned to learn 301 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: on your own. Also like um, school won't teach you 302 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: what you need into a too in a sense, like 303 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: you know the importance of self study. I thought you 304 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: have little gems like that. I was like, okay, already 305 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: see you all right. So next character is going to 306 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: be Christian. So Christian is kind of if higher learning 307 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: where the matrix and the college is like you know, 308 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: the whole real world rabbit hole ship, then the character 309 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: Christian kind of serves as our neo. You know what 310 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying. She's like the vessel by which this like 311 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: real world quote unquote situation is explained. She's the fish 312 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: out of water from Orange County. And she doesn't, you know, 313 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to socially interact with people. It 314 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know how to get around all that sort of thing. Um, 315 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: her character aren't I don't even I don't even know 316 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: if it's I guess her character more than anybody else 317 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: in the movie is the one who's I guess going 318 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: through the identity crisis. Right. Um, So she gets sexually 319 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: assaulted very early on in the movie, and that kind 320 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: of sparks her into activism. But then she starts exploring 321 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: her sexuality. It's not really it's not really dealt with 322 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: I guess, like in In I mean, I think they 323 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: could have gone in more on that storyline of her, 324 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, exploring her bisexuality. They have some fleeting lines, 325 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: but there fleeting scenes between her and Regina King where 326 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: you know Regina King kind of express How would you 327 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: describe that, like as playful? Playful? Uh, playful, biggest you 328 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, oh girl, you saw y'all 329 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: holding hands and you know what I mean, that sort 330 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: of thing. Um, what was what are you? What are 331 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Christian character? I mean I felt 332 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: like that whole storyline was like problem sort of problematic 333 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: and fucked up. Frankly, Like, first of all, I realized, 334 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it goddamn fucking sexual salt scene, so 335 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: that was super fun. And then like the implication that 336 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: like speaking out against sexual solve will drive you into 337 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: the arms of a lesbian like thing. I was like, 338 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: this is pretty whack. Um. That's so that's how to 339 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: speak someone of her character as much as like how 340 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: the characters are written, because I presume they weren't written 341 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: by women, so that in itself it's like, well, what 342 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: do you expect? Like, Okay, I mean, that's that's totally fair. 343 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: That was like I was watching it with my roommate 344 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: who's also lesbian, and she had that same like from 345 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: the moment, from the moment that Jennifer Connolly's character showed 346 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: up to start consoling her, Like just the way that 347 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Jennifer Connolly's character was acting, my roommate was like, Oh, goddamnit, 348 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: are they about to do what? I think the traumatized 349 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: like sexual Salt Survivor, Like I don't know, that's all 350 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: the films. In the film's defense, just I'm just I've 351 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: watched the movie a bunch of times, and I watched 352 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: it a few times leading up to now. So in 353 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: the film's defense, they do try their best within their 354 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: studio film run time to have that like play out 355 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: and not be as you know what I mean, not 356 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: to be so oh, I don't I still got to 357 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: get sexual and now I'm a lesbian, you know what 358 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean. It didn't. It doesn't really go quite like 359 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: that where it like dives into it like quite head on. 360 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: But it is again clunky, you know what I'm saying 361 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: for lack of better words. Um. The next character, and 362 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: this is probably I mean just I don't know why 363 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: I feel that this character is probably like the most 364 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: interesting to me. But as the character portrayed by um 365 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Michael Rappaport, Remy, who is another fish out of water 366 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: from Idaho, but he's much more on like the in 367 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: cell you know, in cell type, and he he's pretty 368 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: much the inciting incident of the movie. So I think 369 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: in order to explain Remy, We're gonna kind of have 370 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: to just you know, pretty much give you a layout 371 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: of the movie. Right. So we've got all these different 372 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: characters that come into the school. There's the culture clash, 373 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: there's everyone trying to find their identity, and there's this character, Remy, 374 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: with an inciting incident of him being ice Cube's roommate. 375 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: To start the movie. He's Fudge's roommate and Fudge has 376 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: a party. The party's raging. It's the first days class, 377 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: so Remy calls the campus security to break up the party, 378 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: and that you know, begins his ostracized ostracization from you know, 379 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: his his dorm and he has to move out dorms, 380 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: and then he ends up getting into fights with frat 381 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: boys and finding himself walking alone at night, and he 382 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: meets a group of neo Nazis and they bring him 383 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: into their pack. Um Uh. Run in with Malik's character 384 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: leads to him pulling a gun on the leak and 385 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: then running away and dropping out of school, which leads 386 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: to a fight off of campus between Malik and his 387 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: boys in this small skin head click, and then a 388 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: retaliation of Remy going to the rooftop of the of 389 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: a building on campus and shooting into the crowd with 390 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: a rifle mass so mass shooting before I guess even 391 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: Coliban happened. Um, yeah, so he is the inciting incident 392 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: or he causes the inciting incident of the movie. Um, 393 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: what are your takeaway from that character? I mean, that's 394 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: it's really spot I mean he's just like an awkward 395 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: white boy, you know that like just doesn't have any 396 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: social skills. Remember that the moment in the frat frat 397 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: party where he's like John talked to this guy sitting 398 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: next to him and he looks over again and the 399 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: guy's gone, just sort of like social alienation, Like, yeah, 400 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: I'll drive people to crazy extremes. I think the isolation 401 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: of the pandemic has demonstrated that to puttit of the 402 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: way that you and on, etcetera has like taken off 403 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: because everybody been sitting in their houses as hell, Like 404 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: perfectly normal regular people with social skills that just like 405 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: didn't have any social interaction got drawn into like insane conspiracytion. 406 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: So do you do you take at all any issue 407 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: with the with how the movie chose to Do you 408 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: think the movie chose to depict him too sympathetically or 409 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: do you think no, I think it's good to humanize 410 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: that perspective because those are people and understanding how we 411 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: how they get into that world. It's like a really 412 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: important lesson for us because I don't know, I think 413 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: it's really easy to Another interesting no, another interesting character 414 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: that's related that that's related to Remy's character is the 415 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: character Scott, who's the head of the Skinhead crew that 416 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: brings them in, because he has this like I don't know, 417 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: the way that I was reading it is he's got 418 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: this sort of there's like this, at least for a 419 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: certain portion of the movie, there's like this actual, like 420 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: genuine care or concern that he has with like Remy's. 421 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: Like he's he's upset when Remy drops out of school 422 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: because he's like, damn, man, you shouldn't dropped that, you 423 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you should have dropped out 424 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: of school, and you did that. And he actually tries 425 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: to like momentarily called the US prevent Reamy from going 426 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: out and doing the shooting before ultimately giving him a 427 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: gun and aiding and a betting up. So that's not 428 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: a good but I just I just thought that there 429 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: was something, there was something that wasn't cartoonish I guess 430 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: about Remy's character and really all of the characters too, 431 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: for that example, because as much as everyone was like 432 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: an archetype, I don't think that anybody was a stereotype 433 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: in the movie, you know. And and and for me, 434 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's like I I would have to probably 435 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: think about it more because I didn't even think about 436 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: this this like angle of it. But if I really 437 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: sat down and assess, like just like how I formulated 438 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: some of my you know, worldview just growing up as 439 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: like a preteen and an adolescent in a teen you know, 440 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure all of the media and all the things 441 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: that I like read and saw, I'm sure all that 442 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: influences influenced and built that net. And knowing how much 443 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: I've seen this movie, I mean yeah, I mean like 444 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: watching it, we rewatching it now recently, like as an 445 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: adult and stuff, there is like a good amount of it. 446 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: It's like, man like, that's oh, that's that's where I 447 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: got that idea from him. That's that's talking about. Yeah, 448 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: Like I I there's one thing, you know, I I 449 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: grew up in a half African household, you know what 450 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean. So two, to put it nicely, like homosexuality, 451 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: especially when I was a little kid, wasn't necessarily like 452 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: the most accepted topic or things like that within our 453 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: household and ship. But I remember being a kid and 454 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: watching that movie, like watching it on my own, watching 455 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: it with my parents, you know what I'm saying, And 456 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: it's like like I remember, like like how it even 457 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: affected them in shape, Like they're like I remember, like 458 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: my mother like sneering at some of the lesbian sex 459 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: scenes and then like crying out when the Nazis are 460 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: beating up a gay couple, you know what I mean, 461 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: Like through the journey of the movie and the ship 462 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: like that. So you know that's that's that's cool for 463 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: some heartwarming points. Again, um so let's let's let's get 464 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: into some of the like topics that the movie kind 465 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: of touches on, because it's all over the place. For 466 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: for film buffs and people who were really heavy on 467 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: like story structure when they're watching movies and stuff like that, 468 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: the movie is probably a mess, you know what I'm saying, 469 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: because it is kind of all over the place in 470 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: terms of the ideas. It's trying to communicate themes and 471 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: all that ship. But we're gonna try to touch on 472 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of those first. So one of the 473 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: things that Mariah had down that also was like compelling 474 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: to me as one of the first real scenes that 475 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: you really really breaks down everything. And that's when ice 476 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Cube is breaking down the different demographic clicks within the school. 477 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: Like he's he's sitting on the yard and he's like, 478 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: over there's Chinatown. It's where all the Asian students are. 479 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: And he's like, over there's Disney World. That's where all 480 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: the rich white kids are. He's over there south of 481 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: the border. When where the black hole? You know? Um so, 482 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: just so you being a professor, the statement that the 483 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: movie made about self segregation and segregation segregated campuses and 484 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: how you know, Remy makes the line about it seems 485 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: like everybody's sticking to their own, everybody standing up for 486 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: their own Like what are your thoughts? What are your thought? 487 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: So well, I feel like self segregation on college campuses, 488 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: first of all, I mean there's a degree to which 489 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: it's not really it's compulsory based on just like the 490 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: material conditions of various students, Like some students can't get 491 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: in to frast some students can't um like afford to 492 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: live off campus, or when they do, they live in 493 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: like just not very nice places and so away in which, 494 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: like the economics and vary varying socio economic status is 495 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: of students on college campuses, segregates naturally. But then I 496 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: would also say that, um self segregation is somewhat of 497 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: a defense mechanism for certain groups when they try to 498 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: venture out and you know, go to a frat party 499 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: or go be involved in these predominantly white organizations or 500 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, experienced my fire aggressions in the classroom, the 501 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: best way they have to defend themselves is to like 502 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: group up and stick together. Um So, yeah, to add 503 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: to that, so I told you all about the scene 504 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: where Remy and Malik get into a fight and Remy 505 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: pulls a gun on Malik before he runs away and 506 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: drops out of school. So Malik ends up leaving his 507 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: dorm you know in his roommates is a white kid. 508 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: They band up, forming like a little friendship off off screen, 509 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: like you never get to see that friendship really, but 510 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: but apparently they're friends and ship. So when Malik is 511 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: moving out, there's a scene where he's like, hey man, 512 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not like that. I'm not a white supremacist. 513 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: Bla blah blah. You're you're treating me like like I'm 514 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: that guy or something like that. And Malik makes the 515 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: point of, you know, right now, I just feel more 516 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: secure and safe and comfortable around my own people. Yeah, damn, 517 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's kind of how it is, though, 518 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think, I mean even thinking of 519 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: like a contemporary and different context example, like you know, 520 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: with regards to gentification, which I'm experiencing a great deal 521 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: over in the community I represent, like the the quote 522 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: unquote infiltration of white people makes the legacy residents feel 523 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: less safe because of criminalization, they have wild parties, you know, 524 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: changing even something as simple as the changing traffic patterns 525 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: on the street making people feel less physically safe to 526 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: ride their bikes with their kids, right, and so they 527 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: just feel safer if we could just stay segregated and 528 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: like not have white people live over here. Um, so 529 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: do you think that best? Do you think? Like is what? 530 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: Like what is that? Is it? Is that a good thing? 531 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: That a bad thing? Is it? Just? Is it just 532 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: a thing? Like? I mean, I think there's a degree 533 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: to which, like, um, there's so many levels to this, 534 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: but like I mean like going back select the initial 535 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: form of integration, school integration, you know, even MLK identified 536 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: it is like, oh, I'm not sure we should have 537 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: fought for this, because it's like integrating our people into 538 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: a burning house and so um. With regards to gentrification, 539 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: for example, it's like, oh, our neighborhoods are becoming diverse 540 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: and mixed income. It's like, well, not by choice, Like 541 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: people are being forced to live in people and for 542 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: with people and then forced out of their neighborhood by 543 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: these people. And there's this I mean, I guess there's 544 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: a sense to which like folks long for the good 545 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: old days all the time, like, well, we just wish 546 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: things could go back to the way they were before. Yeah. 547 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: Part of it is not feeling safe, but part of 548 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: it is because of criminalization. Part of it is awareness 549 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: of the displacement that comes with um, new folks moving in. Um. 550 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: There may be a way to which like white supremacies internalized, 551 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: like what we want to stay segregated. The same thing 552 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: with like like interracial relationships canna look down upon like 553 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: oh you marry us outside, you're the race that it's like, uh, 554 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: did people not fight for and when this like right, 555 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: Like didn't they people enforce antimigenation laws as like a 556 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: means of oppression, and so people internalized dogs have been 557 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: a couple of people over that. Pretty pretty sure. Yeah, 558 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: so I think it's it's a host of factors. It's 559 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: like anachronistic just wanted to go back good old days, 560 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: very real threats of like you know, small scale but 561 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: very real like violence, and then some perhaps internalized webs 562 00:32:52,080 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: from zine I don't know. So okay, so now jumping 563 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: onto let's jump to another team that they hit. So 564 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: this one happens even before the issue of segregation, so 565 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: this is off the bat. Like to start the movie off, 566 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Laurence Fishburn's character calls up a volunteer, which happens to 567 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: be the leak, and the leak goes and starts reading 568 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 1: off marked names off of a piece of paper, one 569 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: of the names being his and christians Man. And after 570 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: he's done reading it, Laurence Fishburn informs everybody whose name 571 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: was just read that they have their financial aid didn't 572 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: go through and they hand them situated. Oh shit, Like 573 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: just as a side story, my mom used to told me, 574 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: like the graduation process in Liberia, you know, they make 575 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: you do like like you don't know whether you graduate 576 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: until the ceremony, you know, so like like you got 577 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: like you gotta do like some like ceremony like walk 578 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: and if you get there you didn't graduate, like go 579 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: straight up tell your friend of like all your families 580 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: and friends you did not graduate. You gotta go walk 581 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: back and sit down. That's just rutal. But anyway, like 582 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: the topic of financial aid and students struggling to make 583 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: ends meet and go to school and stuff like that, 584 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: that's again it's it's very loosely touched on a gank. 585 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: The only resolution that you get out of it is, uh, 586 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: like one of the financial aid ladies tells Christian that 587 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: she needs to get a job. Look so in the 588 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: night that you never see her get. In the n nineties, 589 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: tuition at four your public colleges was like three thousand, 590 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars per year um. And so this is 591 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: the time in which, like you could conceivably go get 592 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: a job to like cover your expenses that weren't covered 593 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: by your parents or financial aid or you know, student loans, 594 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: which were still a relatively new phenomena at that time. Today, 595 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: tuition had well I guess no, not even today. We're 596 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: thinking like eleven years ago, tuition had risen two person 597 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: sent so almost um to ten thousand dollars per year. Okay, well, no, 598 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm getting my day to mix up. Okay, 599 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: it's ten thousand longars per year at two thousand eighteen, 600 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: which is still far far outpasting inflation and wage increases. 601 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: And so imagine what that conversation would be for Chris 602 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: kristen orm league today at the Financial Aid office, be 603 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: like she should out of luck, bud, like they got 604 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: a loan. I don't know the movie. In the movie 605 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: when they show that screw, they show like the scream 606 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: of the financial aid lady screen of how much money 607 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: molikos and it's like three gs. I'm like, yo, best 608 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: can we takes three grand to be in one class 609 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: at the University of Georgia right now? One class? No, 610 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: not even one class. Its it cost me three grand 611 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: to be listed as working on my dissertation. So I'm 612 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: not even in class. It's just like to qualify that 613 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: to like tell the school that I am writing in 614 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: my own time. I mean the financial aid situations, why, 615 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: I you know, Unfortunately, dropped out of college. You know, 616 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: my father wanted to try to pay for school, like 617 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: out of pocket. Then he started getting sick and he 618 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: wasn't able to so I had to apply for student 619 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: loans like mid going to school, and I had to 620 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: get a job, and it was just you know, I was, 621 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: I was, I was working, I was going to school, 622 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: and I started, you know, I started doing things outside 623 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: there were of actual interest to me. So you know 624 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of alright. So next theme that we are 625 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: going to jump to that they talk about. So okay, 626 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: so you mentioned, you know, I should have probably given 627 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: you a trigger warning, not for real, like about the 628 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: rape scene. I should have seen it popped up on 629 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: the screen like in the beginning, like all the different 630 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: like you know warning, but like I didn't really until 631 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: it happened. I was like skip skip skip skip. So 632 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: but I mean, um, just like the you know, I know, 633 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned the the aspect of the fallout being the 634 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: the lesbian relationship that aside, like the initial her getting raped, 635 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: her roommate Regina King finding out about it, the incident 636 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: between her and the rapists on the telephone where he 637 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: calls Regina King a black bitch, which then gets all 638 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: the black students to go over to the you know, 639 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: the frat house and and and pull him out and 640 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: rough him up. What was your like, how do you 641 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: feel felt that that went down? Because it definitely I'm sorry. 642 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: So I will say that that was an interesting moment 643 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: that like really underscored the power of like intersectional solidarity. 644 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: So this guy that is arguing with softness because he 645 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: just committed fucking, you know, sexual crime, is also demeaning 646 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: to a black woman that he doesn't even know on 647 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: the phone. And so the homies rolled up and Pete's 648 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: ass because he was demeaning you know, a black queen. 649 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: It sound her. And so I was like, okay, so 650 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,479 Speaker 1: you got this white girl, you got this black woman, 651 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: you got these black dudes. Like y'all come together and 652 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: sure they didn't end up addressing like what happened to Kristen, 653 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: but like together they could like take like take action 654 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: and funk this guy up that was disrespecting all of them. 655 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: That they didn't but you know they didn't know that, right, No, 656 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: they didn't know that, but like like they didn't they 657 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: didn't know that she got raped. I know that I 658 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: know that, Yes, yes, I know that so um but 659 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: they all but like, oh, so all, y'all are getting 660 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: shopped on by these kinds of people. You might not 661 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,959 Speaker 1: even be aware of the ways in which some people 662 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: are getting shoot on, but you recognize it's not cool 663 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: because maybe in a peripheral ray, someone in your group 664 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: has been impacted, like the Regina King character, so you 665 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: roll up and fucking with his ass and like, I mean, 666 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 1: I wish there would have been more justice for Christen, 667 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that is actually one of the best 668 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: scenes in the movie too. It's it's a good mixture 669 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: of like, it's you know, it's it's like a good 670 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: dramatic serious within all. So it's got you know, there's 671 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: an element to it that's really satisfying to see the 672 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: rapist guy get roughed up by Buster Rymes and ice 673 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: Cube that I can't I didn't ship. I just you know, 674 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: I just said at the sentence, I just said, come on, man, 675 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: you gotta you want to see this ship. So okay, 676 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: So the you know, there's no way that we can 677 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: touch on every single of the little loose threads that 678 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: they leave in this movie. But the last bit that 679 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on is a theme that's ongoing. 680 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: I mentioned to y'all how Malik and Laurence Fishburn's professor 681 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: character they have a back and forth several times throughout 682 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: the movie, and for me, it seems to be like 683 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: the the main through line for that storyline between those 684 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: two is I'm having a hard time articulating this, but 685 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, is is our issue economic or 686 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: is it racial? With Malik feeling that it's a racial issue, 687 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: and I guess Laurence Fishburn being the older character kind 688 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: of you know what I mean, more so encouraging the 689 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: idea that it's an economic class struggle that's going on. 690 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: And it seems to be seems to be like those 691 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's both. I mean, it just seems 692 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: to be like those two philosophies between those two characters 693 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: are the ones that are budding head. It never gets 694 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: a resolution, but at the end of it never gets 695 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: a resolution. But another cool thing that they did with 696 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: it is they don't make it like one way or 697 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: the other, where Laurence Fishburn enlightens of Malik onto you 698 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: know what I mean, onto the class struggle, and it 699 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: doesn't end with Malik showing Lawrence Fishburn, No, it's actually 700 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: a racial thing. They go away from the movie with 701 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: all the things that happened in the movie still believing 702 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: what they believe, know what I mean, and just having 703 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: argued it out throughout the movie. But Malik, Laurence Fishburn 704 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: is reading Malik's paper that he's been working on trying 705 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: to perfect throughout the movie and ship like that. But 706 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: he gets to this passage that Laurence Fishburn, while still disagreeing, 707 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: he like nods with it, you know, happy that Malik 708 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: is able to express, like what is like the ideology 709 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: that he has a ship like that? And Malik says 710 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: this passage that are wants run by Maran says it 711 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: is it is. It is my belief that the dread 712 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: Scott decision, if was retried in contemporary American courts, the 713 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: decision would remain the same, meaning that a black man, 714 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: no matter what his class status, would still have no 715 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: no rights that a white man, by law, would be 716 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: bound in respect. The result would be the same, no 717 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: matter what the law of the land states, because it 718 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: was not written for the benefit of or by African Americans. 719 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: The credo of justice and liberty for all is a 720 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: falsehood I would say that. I mean, the thing that 721 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: strikes me about this quote, this passage is that if 722 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: dread Scott okay, so are you saying if it was 723 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: retried in contemporary American courts? I mean ship Supreme Court today, 724 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,439 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to day. He might be fucking right. 725 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, Um. I mean I think the um, 726 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: I think that the decision remains the same in practice, right, Um, 727 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: no matter what the law of the land states, as 728 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: he says, Um, because it was not written for and 729 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: by African Americans. It's a falsehood. Um, the Fredo of justice, 730 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: of liberty and justice and liberty for all of fawsood. 731 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: I mean I think that rings that that feels true 732 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: to a degree today. What do you think about just 733 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: the broader struggle between class or race? I mean, that's 734 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: a fundamental struggle in ideological ideology today. The divide and 735 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: conquered mindset of folks that only want to focus on 736 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 1: class and folks that only want to focus on race 737 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: is beneficial to the folks that benefit from both race 738 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: and class oppression. Um. That the that you know, working 739 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: class white people see, you know, Mexicans and Niggers as 740 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: their enemies rather than the fact that like, none of 741 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: y'all make it any money because the CEO of Tyson 742 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: Foods is jacking up the price of steaks or whatever 743 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: eight percent, blaming inflation and buying another yacht. Um. So 744 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, that's that central tension is still 745 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 1: with us today in the way that people argue about 746 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: what is wrong with society. It is both racism and 747 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: classism and often intertwined um, as seen in the character 748 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: of Laurence Fishburne, where it's like, if you have a 749 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: certain class privilege, your race doesn't matter as much anymore. 750 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,439 Speaker 1: In fact, you might emphasize um, your bootstrapping this as 751 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: a way of distancing yourself from the people that are oppressed, 752 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: so that you were like, oh, I'm not I'm not 753 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: like them, I'm you know, I'm a self made man, etcetera. 754 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, we're still Do you think there's uh, do 755 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: you think there's anything being communicated by Laurence Fishburne's character 756 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: being of obvious West Indian immigrant. No. I wondered what degree, 757 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: like white people that aren't very familiar with the ways 758 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: that a pressure to assimilate will sometimes produce like right 759 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: wing thinking. Right wing thinking in some immigrants, um I 760 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: mean and something I mean then not to like essentialize 761 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: their experience. Some folks that immigrate from Cuba, Venezuela, etcetera 762 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: might just be like, Yo, I saw like leftis unveil. 763 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't want nothing to do with that ship. But 764 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: then for a lot of people, it's like you, like 765 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: you must live the American dream, like definitely gets some 766 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: people's head that like, fun, I have to be like 767 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: hyper capitalists and like ascend the ladder and put my 768 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 1: foot on the boot on the necks of everyone below 769 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: me in order to like fit in and have made 770 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: it in society. I think that, I mean, it could 771 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: be true for like a variety of racial groups as well. 772 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: But I want to say that like his character was 773 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: an archetype of a certain kind of um immigrant. Yeah, 774 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: I think you nailed it on the head about the 775 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,959 Speaker 1: you know, racing classes. It's obviously both. But I gotta 776 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: tell you, yo, I I really you know, you know 777 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: how like you have that like you know, how like 778 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: you got like that racism radar when like some shifts 779 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: going off and you're like it's like it's not obviously 780 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: like some racist ship and you kind of have an 781 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: inkling in the back of your head, like, man, I 782 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: think the ship might be racist, yet I know something 783 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: about like this new breed of like white leftists. Oh 784 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: that's like, hey, the only thing that matters is class. 785 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: Nothing else matters, nothing else is of important. Don't bring 786 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: identity politics, don't bring it up. Don't bring it up 787 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: that it shouldn't be about racist. That shipped to me 788 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: seems weird. I don't know. It rubs me wrong and 789 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't funk with it, Like, but what do you think? Like, 790 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: am i am? I just is that like me just 791 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: like not really having a full grasp on the issues 792 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: or is there something to that this It just feels weird, 793 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like when yeah, yeah, 794 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: like the so called leftists that are like Joe Rogan's awesome, 795 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's well yeah, I mean, 796 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: oh fuck, I mean you know what I'm working about. 797 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, well, where we are we should we 798 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: should we close it up? Yeah, let's wrap it up, 799 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up. You know what, Just we're just briefly, 800 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, this isn't really gonna be a music discussion. 801 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: They just briefly I'll mention the soundtrack for Higher Learning. Yeah, 802 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: if I gotta give my honest opinion, it stinks. It's 803 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: not good. I'm giving up the title song by ice 804 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: Cube Higher Learning. It's I like it, you know, the 805 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: Rafael Sadique joined on there's pretty flying. I mean, you 806 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: know one thing I will give the soundtrack props for 807 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: is that it definitely tries to capture the eclectic flavor 808 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,879 Speaker 1: of the movie, because, like we're talking, we're going from 809 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: ice Cube and Raffael Sadiq to Tory Amos doing R E. 810 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: M covers and Liz Fair. I even think Tory Amos 811 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: got two songs on that fucking thing, you know what 812 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean. But all in all, it's it's not really 813 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 1: that good at the soundtrack. I mean, we we've discussed 814 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 1: some movies before and some movie soundtracks, but just given 815 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: it to you real like we we can't. We can't 816 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 1: cue that music discussion beat to talk about the Higher 817 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: Alerting soundtrack. It don't it don't have enough gun. Yeah, alright, 818 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: let's I guess that's it for this week. Yeah, so 819 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: I I just want to plug I got a new 820 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,720 Speaker 1: single that came out yesterday. It's called Bell Ringer Um 821 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: if we could go ahead play it at the end 822 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: of the show. Go check it out. Music videos up 823 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Um you can go to a bit dot 824 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: lee slash lf Bell Ringer to stream it or go 825 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: pre order the album. Yeah, gotcha it out. That's my 826 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: rats for this week. I got a new video that 827 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: just came out too, for that song so nine one 828 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: two that I can remember. Yeah, just dropped a new 829 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: video for that, so y'all check that out. I'm sure 830 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 1: Maria put the link on something like that and the thing. 831 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 1: All right, y'all, I guess get your earbuds ready and 832 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: get your face properly prepared to be melted off, because 833 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: we're about to jam that new Lingua Frankie, let's get 834 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: it Ryan, I ain't never cheated. They never needed a 835 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,880 Speaker 1: lot of cheese, but at the mercy and not about 836 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: the lot. I'm thirsty walking in the luger mark. This 837 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: Asian lady spotted me, like what ship with us? Nika 838 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: starting tick a target on me? If you got I'm 839 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: seeing a cup of bottle that water be concoction by 840 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: the tram memory, show me some karaderie. We both have 841 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: probably seen some muffle robberies and no less for keeping 842 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,800 Speaker 1: this teckle shart God, don't pray you that are ride it? 843 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,439 Speaker 1: You die, don't pay you better ride it. I die, 844 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: don't pay you better ride it. If I die, don't 845 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: play you better ride there. If you do, don't pay 846 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: you that a ride if if my time, don't pray 847 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: you better ride it. I'm Luca cooler with nothing. I'm 848 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: losing counter the collar takuzie who house, I'm rumbling to 849 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,919 Speaker 1: the center the sound of the class a gun gout. 850 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,919 Speaker 1: You're cropping like where they very you want the ground. 851 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm down in buday that I'm not like the buck 852 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: be ch ot with. I'm the have bart bart bitch. 853 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: Shut me off. Belaia takes several feet on the part, 854 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: then put me and want you know without starting this, 855 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,320 Speaker 1: please call the places I don't in the part of 856 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: car and he die. Don't pray you better right? If 857 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: I do, don't pray you that are ride it side 858 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:54,439 Speaker 1: that don't pay you better ride it. If I die, 859 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 1: don't pray you better ride it. Die, don't pay it 860 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: better right. If you're die, right, you better ride it. 861 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: You know that groppy for keeping this single shot right? 862 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,360 Speaker 1: You know the grippery for keeping the single shot. You 863 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: know that grippery for keeping this single shot. You know 864 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,919 Speaker 1: that where we were keeping the single shot, that gropp 865 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: we we're keeping the sidle shot. You know the grippy 866 00:50:21,719 --> 00:51:31,720 Speaker 1: were keeping the single shot right right, Rye, don't you better? 867 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: Don't done? That ship is what I call the definition 868 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: of dough. Appreciate it work. My friend looking forward and 869 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: on the streets is looking forward to this album. Everybody's 870 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: everybody's waiting for it. So I'm sure you're gonna knock 871 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,839 Speaker 1: it out the part with us, but we gotta go. 872 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: My name is Dope, not Frank. And you have been 873 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: listening to Waiting on Reparations. Take your sweet time, no problem, 874 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: It's cool. See y'all next week. Listen to Waiting on 875 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 876 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.