Speaker 1: Welcome back to netificent. I am Danny Fernandez, and across
Speaker 1: from me is yeah, I thought you were about to
Speaker 1: take let it rip? Who else was I going to interge?
Speaker 1: You know, today we are covering something that is very
Speaker 1: near and dear to our hearts, Twitch twitching. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had something else I was going to say about it,
Speaker 1: but sure, you know what actually if he because you
Speaker 1: are Twitch partnered, I feel like you guys can't see,
Speaker 1: but he's blushing. Um yeah, so Twitch, we have both
Speaker 1: worked at Twitch channels and if you don't know what
Speaker 1: that is, we're going to get into that. But um,
Speaker 1: I would say overall, my experience with Twitch has been
Speaker 1: extremely positive and I feel really lucky. I've been in
Speaker 1: a lot of different fandoms and nerd ums and nerd
Speaker 1: channels and sides of the internet, and Twitch is always
Speaker 1: my favorite. Yeah. I feel like Twitch and their communities
Speaker 1: are what a lot of people hope YouTube could be,
Speaker 1: because I feel like Twitch you really get in what
Speaker 1: you put out and you can foster some great communities
Speaker 1: that are filled with positive people with great input who
Speaker 1: doll out if there is any criticism, trying to find
Speaker 1: a good way to do it. They aren't just there
Speaker 1: to really be horrible people, whereas I feel like YouTube
Speaker 1: comments are have the playground, you know, they jump the
Speaker 1: shark and it really is where people go to play
Speaker 1: and be the worst people. And I feel like it's
Speaker 1: also because of Twitches. And we'll get to this later,
Speaker 1: but Twitch has a great mod system where you can
Speaker 1: adorn people as moderators to just instantly and horrible people
Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. Yeah. In fact, when
Speaker 1: we would do a lot of our Twitch streams at
Speaker 1: some of the channels that we've been at, um, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even get to see the comments. It would just
Speaker 1: say comment deleted before it even came up to me
Speaker 1: the host, which is so nice because when I'm doing that,
Speaker 1: are hosting a live event, the last thing I want
Speaker 1: to see is something that I'm not allowed to say
Speaker 1: right now because we're not an explicit podcast because of
Speaker 1: our our personal sensoring. But um, I loved that. I
Speaker 1: love the mods. I love that they're Twitch actually feels
Speaker 1: like a community in a way that I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think YouTube does. I feel like, Um yeah, Twitch feels
Speaker 1: like a family to me. The channels that I've been at, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know, let's just uh jump right into it
Speaker 1: and talk about what is twitch. Twitch is an online
Speaker 1: streaming platform that it's very similar to YouTube in the
Speaker 1: sense that it is a user created content. It is live.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I know. I'm trying to find the
Speaker 1: best way to package this. It's a site filled with
Speaker 1: user created content consumed by other users who also, just
Speaker 1: like YouTube, have an opportunity to create the same content
Speaker 1: if they liked And I think the simplest way to
Speaker 1: describe it would be it's a website where people watch
Speaker 1: other people play video games. That's what it is at
Speaker 1: its core, at its heart, and that's where a lot
Speaker 1: of the separation and aversion to it at the beginning
Speaker 1: comes from. There's a lot of people go, why why
Speaker 1: would I want to watch someone else play video games?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Why would you watch someone play baseball
Speaker 1: when you can go outside grab a baseball and to
Speaker 1: do that. Why would you watch someone play poker when
Speaker 1: you can invite friends over and play poker. Why would you?
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. It's the same reason,
Speaker 1: and I think it originally came from wanting to watch
Speaker 1: someone more skilled than you and learn from watching them
Speaker 1: and it's grown into something more just like any platform
Speaker 1: where you can entertain an audience. Well, that is a
Speaker 1: thing that I feel like a lot of Twitch streamers
Speaker 1: are doing to build their audience is not just being
Speaker 1: good at games, but they're actually entertainers. Uh So there
Speaker 1: a lot of we know a lot of comedic people
Speaker 1: that that have streams, and I think that people get
Speaker 1: attached to your personality, so it's not just your gameplay,
Speaker 1: but also that particular streamer. But if we're talking about
Speaker 1: where Twitch started, so when it first started, it was
Speaker 1: actually justin dot tv. I don't know if anyone remembers that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: justin TV was launched in two thousand and seven by
Speaker 1: Justin Kahn and Emmett Sheer and Michael Siebel and Kyle Vote.
Speaker 1: And the site was divided into several content categories. But
Speaker 1: what so, what it originally was was Justin Cohn who
Speaker 1: would broadcast his life twenty four seven. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: that what was crazy about it is I remember around
Speaker 1: this time there was this webcamp web you know, like
Speaker 1: I Justine Yeah, yeah, there was just all these people
Speaker 1: who were just broadcasting their seven and Justin TV had
Speaker 1: a very good run in itself. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of Remember, people would make their own kind of talk
Speaker 1: shows and their own Howard Stern esque radio shows using
Speaker 1: this platform. Yeah, so, so how it originally started was
Speaker 1: he had a webcam that was attached to his baseball
Speaker 1: cap and then he would stream online via this like
Speaker 1: laptop backpack set up that Kyle Vote, who was his
Speaker 1: co founder, also designed uh and then Justin would just
Speaker 1: stream continuous live coverage seven. It was very like EDTV
Speaker 1: Truman Show ship. What did but seriously, what did he
Speaker 1: do when he had a poop? Like I know everybody's
Speaker 1: thinking that. I imagine there was like a title card like,
Speaker 1: dn't then yes, it's time to poop? I would I
Speaker 1: would love it if it was just like the camera
Speaker 1: was just on like a cat litter box or something
Speaker 1: like that. But like if he was saying so, then
Speaker 1: what happened was he ended up opening it up to
Speaker 1: other people could then create their own channels on Justin TV.
Speaker 1: So they ended up having about sixty different channels in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and by April of two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, they had signed about thirty thousand broadcasting accounts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot. Back then, I feel like, now
Speaker 1: that's just the standard, you know, It's crazy. The fun
Speaker 1: part about these numbers is seeing what a lot was
Speaker 1: back then, only to seet like you could add like
Speaker 1: two more zeros behind that. It's so fascinating too that
Speaker 1: we're so obsessed with watching people, because I feel like
Speaker 1: this was also a time when like Big Brother, of course,
Speaker 1: was huge in Real World, which has been around forever,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I told you if he
Speaker 1: but I had signed up really Real World. Actually I
Speaker 1: signed up for Next. I remember Next. I was eighteen
Speaker 1: and my girlfriends and I love that show on MTV,
Speaker 1: and then they didn't call me until I was twenty one.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted to make sure that I could drink,
Speaker 1: and they asked me to do Real World. And at
Speaker 1: the time, I was in college and I was a
Speaker 1: journalism major, and I was like, there's no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ruin my life. No, and I don't even use
Speaker 1: my degree now. Yeah, seeing you could have been on
Speaker 1: Real World now, but I didn't want to my nana
Speaker 1: to see me doing it in the showers. So at
Speaker 1: least you had the game that you knew, where when
Speaker 1: you're not, you're like, I don't need Nana to see
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, But on Justin TV, they added selectable
Speaker 1: categories like featured people in life, casting, sports, music and radio, gaming,
Speaker 1: news and tech, animals, entertainment, and divas and dudes you know,
Speaker 1: very two thousand and but the gaming category grew especially
Speaker 1: fast and became the most popular content on the site,
Speaker 1: and in June two thousand eleven, the company decided to
Speaker 1: spin off the gaming content as twitch TV, inspired by
Speaker 1: the term twitch gameplay, and it officially launched in public
Speaker 1: beta in June six to two thousand eleven and since
Speaker 1: then twhich has attracted more than thirty five million unique
Speaker 1: visitors a month, and it's mind blowing. I just love
Speaker 1: the story of what Justin TV did, which was following
Speaker 1: what works. They're like, this gaming category is blowing up.
Speaker 1: Let's make this work. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: sites and a lot of companies stagnant on that they
Speaker 1: they see something cool happening on a part of their
Speaker 1: company or the site that they built, and they just
Speaker 1: think that that's gonna last forever. They don't really support it,
Speaker 1: and then it dies off, or someone smarter goes and
Speaker 1: creates something for that platform. But justin, Justin TV saw
Speaker 1: an opportunity, and I think that's a very important lesson. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By February it was considered the fourth largest peak Internet
Speaker 1: traffic in the US. That's I know. Then. That's what's
Speaker 1: so funny too, is when people think that Twitch is
Speaker 1: kind of like this fringe side our Yeah, it's very big, underground, yes,
Speaker 1: because Twitch in itself is international. If you go to
Speaker 1: Twitch any time of day, there's someone on it, there's
Speaker 1: someone with almost ten thousand, hundred thousand viewers going on
Speaker 1: the front page. Yeah, I know the channels that we
Speaker 1: were on, we'd get international uh commentaries all the time,
Speaker 1: like oh I just got off from work or I'm
Speaker 1: heading into work and it's like six am here or whatever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I agree as far as it being
Speaker 1: I think people don't realize the extent of what you
Speaker 1: can do on Twitch. Now. It is still largely, like
Speaker 1: if you said, largely a gaming channel, But I do
Speaker 1: think they're like Stella, if you guys listen to our
Speaker 1: Causeplay episode Stella does, she makes her cause play on Twitch.
Speaker 1: So that's another thing that you can do that our
Speaker 1: friends do. And if he and I had our Dragon
Speaker 1: Ball Super After show where we we would talk about
Speaker 1: each episode of Dragon Ball Super on Twitch, So it's
Speaker 1: not just limited to gaming. And I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that because people in our community,
Speaker 1: anytime I pitched them that they should get on Twitch,
Speaker 1: they don't quite understand it. Yeah, but it is still
Speaker 1: mostly gaming. See because Twitch has become the most popular
Speaker 1: sports streaming service by a large margin, leading some to
Speaker 1: conclude that the website has a near monopoly on the market,
Speaker 1: and and I think that is true, especially since they
Speaker 1: just signed a deal with the Overwatch League that we
Speaker 1: talked about with my leak. Uh, they have exclusivity to
Speaker 1: air it, so they're they're making the moves to make
Speaker 1: sure that they keep that huge monopoly on E sports
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where their big numbers come from.
Speaker 1: Whenever e s L, which we talked about in the
Speaker 1: sports episode, all those big you know companies that do
Speaker 1: E sports events, they stream it on Twitch and they're
Speaker 1: getting usually around a hundred thousand plus views on those videos.
Speaker 1: And I think it's just a smart move for both
Speaker 1: parties because if you are on Twitch, you have a
Speaker 1: high likelihood of wanting to watch the sports events. So
Speaker 1: if you put on the sports events, you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to put it on Twitch, and that's been uh, that's
Speaker 1: been a move. You know, YouTube gaming has made some
Speaker 1: moves here and there. Obviously you know they're stepping into
Speaker 1: TV with the league, but Twitch still is the game
Speaker 1: of e sports it is. People also watch speed running,
Speaker 1: which if you don't know what that is, it's essentially
Speaker 1: a play through of a video game performed with the
Speaker 1: intention of like competing it as fast as possible and
Speaker 1: literally on Wikipedia says twitches designed to be a platform
Speaker 1: for hot content, So I guess that's what it's considered
Speaker 1: hot content speed running. It does have a lot of
Speaker 1: non gaming content. It does, like a lot of the
Speaker 1: channels and sites that if you and I do, we
Speaker 1: do table top games on Twitch, so it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: have to be an electronic game. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: tabletop get like literally rolling dice and improv and stuff
Speaker 1: that takes part on Twitch. Uh. And then the I
Speaker 1: actually did stream a performance of Fester's Feast from San
Speaker 1: Diego Comic Con that was July, and then July they
Speaker 1: live stream Steve Aoki doing a live broadcast from a
Speaker 1: nightclub and beat that, Beat that. But to really jump
Speaker 1: on that, like not just gaming, which Twitch has been
Speaker 1: making a big push out of this. In October of
Speaker 1: two fifteen, Twitch launched a second non gaming category, Creative,
Speaker 1: which was intended for stream showcasing the creation of artistic
Speaker 1: and creative works, and that's when they did that very
Speaker 1: popular live stream stream of bob Ross. It was crazy too,
Speaker 1: because this is one of the ways you got to
Speaker 1: see how great the Twitch community is is when you
Speaker 1: would pop in and watch The Joy of Painting with
Speaker 1: bob Ross. You would see people commenting on it as
Speaker 1: if it was an e sports match. Was like, oh,
Speaker 1: kill kill on this painting and it was real funny.
Speaker 1: It was really entertaining to watch, I want to say
Speaker 1: for people that. So the bob Ross it was an
Speaker 1: eight day marathon where they aired bob Ross is the
Speaker 1: Joy of Painting, um and yeah, everyone got into it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's a meme on Twitch called Kappa and it's
Speaker 1: a kind of sarcastic looking white guy that's gray scale
Speaker 1: and it's actually based off of Jos Desano was an
Speaker 1: employee of Justin TV and when they've launched Twitch, they
Speaker 1: had the emotes use one of the emotes uh that
Speaker 1: were based on the Justin TV employees, and it's usually
Speaker 1: used to signify sarcasm, since you know it's the Internet
Speaker 1: and everyone's using text and you need a way you
Speaker 1: would use the cap at emote. The Bob Ross spun
Speaker 1: off into this cap at emote with an Afro to
Speaker 1: be Bob Ross and it's uh and I love it.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing. I love Afro Cappa. What I
Speaker 1: was gonna say is, if you listen to our Cosplay
Speaker 1: episode or e Sports episode, in our Comic Con episode,
Speaker 1: there is something that I don't know if we touched on,
Speaker 1: but there is twitch Con. It is huge. Um So
Speaker 1: that's essentially a fan convention devoted to Twitch and um
Speaker 1: I believe the first one, let's see, the inaugural event
Speaker 1: was held in San Francisco and it was September and uh.
Speaker 1: Since then, they've also had it in San Diego. See
Speaker 1: there's only been three. It's actually very fresh, so like
Speaker 1: the one after with San Diego and then uh. This
Speaker 1: past year was Long Beach, which I went to. Was great.
Speaker 1: It was a good time. It's fun seeing like you know, streamers,
Speaker 1: meeting the people, their audience, their communities, getting together. It's
Speaker 1: a really fun event, and this year it's going to
Speaker 1: be around the same time in October, but in San Jose.
Speaker 1: So they announced that it's in San Jose and it's
Speaker 1: just like Comic Con where they announced it. They announced
Speaker 1: the hotels and hotels are out. It's wild, it's it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, we should just do a sidebar real quick,
Speaker 1: because we just had Comic Con hotel. So what happens
Speaker 1: is it is so busy at some of these cons
Speaker 1: that you have to actually enter a lottery, like the
Speaker 1: hotels have set it up with the con at least
Speaker 1: for Comic Con they did um and we just had
Speaker 1: that lottery like this past week. But essentially you have
Speaker 1: to wake up in the morning and slogg in and
Speaker 1: get put into the lottery to see if you can
Speaker 1: even get a hotel. Yeah, it's that. So it's not
Speaker 1: a monopoly essentially on people buying them up like companies
Speaker 1: and stuff. You act, everyone has kind of kind of
Speaker 1: not all the time, but everyone kind of has an
Speaker 1: equal opportunity. Even though there are a lot of companies
Speaker 1: that have deals with hotels because I know them. Well.
Speaker 1: That's what's so funny is after you brave the Internet
Speaker 1: and fight your way and get a past. You still
Speaker 1: have to worry about fighting for a hotel room or
Speaker 1: be doomed to take the train down to downtown San
Speaker 1: Diego every day from Oh my god, no do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people they'll take the train from like
Speaker 1: every day. From the ocean side is better. Maybe I
Speaker 1: can't imagine coming from La No, that's that's not You
Speaker 1: can airbnb technically if you want to spend like hundreds
Speaker 1: upon hundreds of dollars um or you can sleep in
Speaker 1: your car. Yeah. Yeah, what's good is I wanna talk
Speaker 1: about some of the some some hot twitch gas, which
Speaker 1: is gonna be great because it's gonna link up with
Speaker 1: the third type of a non gaming category that Twitch launch,
Speaker 1: which was i r L, which is i r L
Speaker 1: is an Internet acronym for in real life and it's
Speaker 1: basically a streamer who streams life basically came full circle
Speaker 1: and it is just like justin TV. The reason I
Speaker 1: say is it comes full circle is one of the
Speaker 1: popular things for I r L streamers is to have
Speaker 1: a streaming backpack and use it from the hat. It's
Speaker 1: so funny. I never knew about the justin TV doing that,
Speaker 1: so to see that that that came full circle. Came
Speaker 1: full circle. But the reason I'm bringing it up, around
Speaker 1: the same time I brought twitch Con, there was a
Speaker 1: little one, you know, spicy beef that happened between the
Speaker 1: I r L streamers in the regular stream at twitch Con,
Speaker 1: mostly because at the twitch Con party it was a
Speaker 1: lot of streamers just hanging out, chilling, meeting other streamers
Speaker 1: for the first time. But I r L streamers, they
Speaker 1: were still on the job in their eyes, and they
Speaker 1: were streaming. Yeah. Yeah, they were streaming at the party,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people were complaining a lot because
Speaker 1: it was very much like popping right next to someone
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm here, what's so and so and so.
Speaker 1: It was a whole debate that went on online because
Speaker 1: what happened was the DJ hopped on loud speaker. It
Speaker 1: was like, no streaming is allowed in here. They had
Speaker 1: to shut it down. I actually, on my stream, if
Speaker 1: you go, I captured the moment where that happened because
Speaker 1: I was I r L stream because it was like
Speaker 1: everybody's streaming while I'm not do it, and you just
Speaker 1: hear that. It was like streaming is not allowed in
Speaker 1: this building. It was a very big I understand that. One.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are at twitch Con, so of course
Speaker 1: there's going to be streamers there. But also, I mean
Speaker 1: you're at the after party. Pople are getting drunk, people
Speaker 1: are making bad decisions. They do not need those live
Speaker 1: streamed for everybody. So I get it. That's like such
Speaker 1: a such a taboo thing. It's like when we go
Speaker 1: to parties and people are like asking famous people for pictures. Look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing you do it. I know you don't care.
Speaker 1: The reason I don't care is because I pulled back
Speaker 1: because I'm like, yeah, maybe I will send it to
Speaker 1: like my sketch team's group text, and they're like you
Speaker 1: and they're taking pictures. And then you'll go and you'll
Speaker 1: see the other celebs who did the same thing with
Speaker 1: each other, and I'm like, see, it wasn't weird. It was.
Speaker 1: But I think it's just like it's a case by
Speaker 1: case exactly. You got to meet people where they are
Speaker 1: people and ask just don't be doing the thing where
Speaker 1: you're like something time, oh yeah, where you're like eating
Speaker 1: at dinner and you're trying to get the person I'm
Speaker 1: sitting behind you. Yeah, you just be like, hey, do
Speaker 1: you mind snapping a pick and usually they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: cool because you asked and I can pose for it
Speaker 1: and I don't get caught off guard and look like
Speaker 1: I have a double chin in this. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: if he I have to send you. Um there's this
Speaker 1: guy that I follow and all he does is take
Speaker 1: pictures with celebrities in parking garages. I'm not kidding. It
Speaker 1: is so it is. I need to send it to
Speaker 1: you because they all just look like they're about to
Speaker 1: be kidnapped. Yeah, they're like, what is going on? I
Speaker 1: think he finds them after screenings or whatever. Q and
Speaker 1: A is that they have at arc Light. I'm totally okay.
Speaker 1: You guys come here for the hot goss. You come
Speaker 1: here for to learn, um and know the future of
Speaker 1: tech and stuff, and you also come here for our
Speaker 1: hot gossp Yeah yeah, so that's that's it. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be some Some of the celebrities look so dead in
Speaker 1: the eyes, and he's just like smiling, because no one
Speaker 1: wants to be asked to take a picture when they're
Speaker 1: going to their car, because they're just think it's finally
Speaker 1: over answered your freaking Q and A. Before we were
Speaker 1: almost to the break and I want to break down
Speaker 1: the two maybe three main type of streamers who stream games.
Speaker 1: The first one is pretty easy to guess. It's your
Speaker 1: solo streamer, someone who's sitting at home in front of
Speaker 1: their computer, usually with one or two PCs to stream
Speaker 1: for you. It's very personal. They're able to build a
Speaker 1: community around themselves, and I think it just goes from there.
Speaker 1: There's it's a real personal experience it because you're having
Speaker 1: a one on one experience. And I think this is
Speaker 1: where it separates, you know, the YouTube and Twitch audience,
Speaker 1: where I feel like the YouTube audience come to be entertained.
Speaker 1: That's their mindset, whereas like your Twitch audience, they're there
Speaker 1: for the interactive aspect. And that's what Twitch gives their
Speaker 1: audience over the YouTube audience is you're interacting with people
Speaker 1: real time. You're actually controlling the story of the stream
Speaker 1: because if something you do, if if like I remember
Speaker 1: I was watching someone's streaming, someone donated a thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and that just changes the mood, It changes everything that
Speaker 1: they're talking about because now they're like, you just kind
Speaker 1: of change their life in that one second. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: should talk about that. That Twitch has the ability for
Speaker 1: people to donate, and with the role playing games and
Speaker 1: the tabletop games that if he and I did when
Speaker 1: we were hosts at hyper RPG, they would which which
Speaker 1: is a Twitch channel, um in a studio which we're
Speaker 1: going to get into, but people could donate for our
Speaker 1: players and characters to get like weapons or plot points,
Speaker 1: which is essentially allowing our character to you know, move
Speaker 1: forward in the story or whatever. But people could donate
Speaker 1: for us to do stuff or to like talk in
Speaker 1: a funny accent or something. So people would donate, would
Speaker 1: give money to our stream on Twitch, and then if
Speaker 1: he and I would talk in a funny accent or
Speaker 1: do you know whatever, play this certain character. So that
Speaker 1: is an extremely interactive part and could be lucrative as well,
Speaker 1: right Twitch. Just on top of that, Twitch does have
Speaker 1: a very big reputation for their charity. By two thirteen,
Speaker 1: the website has hosted events in which, in total, raised
Speaker 1: over eight million dollars in donation to charitable causes. And
Speaker 1: that's just the ones they're tracking. And they've actually linked
Speaker 1: up with a lot of charitable organizations like Extra Life,
Speaker 1: which has a very big presence on Twitch because they
Speaker 1: do a thing where any streamer, whether you're small or big,
Speaker 1: can sign up on their website and it kind of
Speaker 1: signal boost people through the website of people who are
Speaker 1: streaming and raising money for their cause. Like it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I think it's way more than eight million because there's
Speaker 1: so many. Yeah, so by now I think it's way more. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even the channels that we have hosted at have had
Speaker 1: charity like twenty four hour charity events and stuff, and
Speaker 1: and people will essentially donate money and that entire money
Speaker 1: goes to the charity, and then they'll have you, you know,
Speaker 1: we're entertainers, so they'll donate money and then we'll play
Speaker 1: a song for them or we'll do you know whatever.
Speaker 1: We've had puppets and people like that and so um
Speaker 1: and moving into the second type of streamers. You keep
Speaker 1: hearing Danny say the places we streamed at, the places
Speaker 1: you might be wondering, like, well, you know, I hadn't
Speaker 1: mind the soul of stream where are you talking about? Well,
Speaker 1: there are studios that actually stream on Twitch. You have
Speaker 1: Geek and Sundry Nervous used to stream on Twitch. The
Speaker 1: Attack formally streamed on Twitch. You have uh Ginema channel
Speaker 1: Polygons is on there sometimes. So those Twitch efforts are
Speaker 1: very different than the solo stream because it's a studio
Speaker 1: with multiple people and instead of being a one on
Speaker 1: one kind of relationship, you're more kind of learning to
Speaker 1: love the brand and they kind of put in their
Speaker 1: work and trying to build up the community as well.
Speaker 1: And there are tons of ways to build a community.
Speaker 1: There's a Discord, which is like a free very similar
Speaker 1: if you're using Slack. It's basically like a gamer version
Speaker 1: of Slack, which is a messaging platform where you can
Speaker 1: join a chat room and they already have Twitch integration
Speaker 1: where if you're subscribed to a channel, you'll have access
Speaker 1: to that Discord. So there's so many different ways, and
Speaker 1: the studio is a lot larger. It may seem daunting
Speaker 1: at first, but lots of times people break off and
Speaker 1: they have their favorites at the studio, they have their
Speaker 1: favorite people, and then they connect through Twitter. It's it's
Speaker 1: very connected in the Twitch world because a lot of
Speaker 1: times it bleeds out to Twitch. It's very it's a family. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say Discord super helps with that. Um Like
Speaker 1: if he was saying Discord is uh community essentially like
Speaker 1: you can have it as an app on your phone
Speaker 1: where whatever channels you're subscribed to, you can kind of
Speaker 1: just chat with people. Um, and there's different categories in there. Uh.
Speaker 1: We had one I remember at hyper called Hugs and
Speaker 1: it was just like if you were having a bad
Speaker 1: day or whatever, and it was literally just community members
Speaker 1: building each other up, people talking about their problems in there.
Speaker 1: And that's why it really does feel like a family,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing like that really on YouTube that I
Speaker 1: feel like. Um, so we're going to get more into
Speaker 1: the future of Twitch and also how possibly you can
Speaker 1: get Twitch partnered right after this and we're bad. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been listening to our episodes and we
Speaker 1: keep doing that. We keep doing that. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: at the same time. Things. We don't figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still new. Look. I like it, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how people are like, let us know,
Speaker 1: tweet at us. Do you like that we talk at
Speaker 1: the same time? Like do you like if we talk
Speaker 1: like this? I thought you were going to continue talking,
Speaker 1: so we talk over each other. Oh yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: that's that's probably. Look, our guests is just sitting here
Speaker 1: while we just go back Yeah, that's someone who knows
Speaker 1: us super well. Part of the family. Oh man, that
Speaker 1: it's just heavy credentials. This is the man to talk
Speaker 1: to about Twitch. He's built one of the biggest Twitch
Speaker 1: empires out here. We talked about studio twitch and solo Twitch.
Speaker 1: He's been the leader of a lot of the studio twitches.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, brought him into the game and he's
Speaker 1: just surpassed me because I noped out because he's he
Speaker 1: is one of those business guys. Let's just say his
Speaker 1: name so we can introduce him, zachaep Yeah. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have done so much before Twitch, Like it's almost unfair
Speaker 1: to just say it's a Twitch thing because you have
Speaker 1: a production company. You did commercials. That's where I met you.
Speaker 1: I met him outside of Twitch and he just happened
Speaker 1: to be this dope producer. We worked on an all
Speaker 1: deft digital shoot. That was fun. Yeah, yeah turned around
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, that was and it came out really well.
Speaker 1: It's still like it keeps bouncing back to me because
Speaker 1: it was on Tumblr and it's still making the rotation.
Speaker 1: It's like millions of notes. Yeah, Zach, how did you
Speaker 1: get started in like in the industry, What did you
Speaker 1: move out because you moved to l A right, like
Speaker 1: you know, most people from the Midwest just pick up
Speaker 1: move out. I decided to start, you know, hanging out
Speaker 1: around UCB and like, you guys want to shoots down?
Speaker 1: Did you move out here to direct or produce or
Speaker 1: produce primarily? And um, I got my first foot in
Speaker 1: the door right when I came out, got on a
Speaker 1: really big shoot and immediately realized I was an idiot.
Speaker 1: I got yelled at a lot, I got a custed
Speaker 1: off of the set and was fired and that was great.
Speaker 1: I needed that so bad because I've been from a
Speaker 1: small town in Midwest where it's just like I know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing self taught, figured it all out very
Speaker 1: first shoot him on. I get fired off that set
Speaker 1: and kicked off because I did not know what to
Speaker 1: do as a second a c and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I want to do all this stuff. And I would
Speaker 1: go up to the DP and I'd be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: what's your stuff on this stuff? He's like, bro, what
Speaker 1: do you get back? You're not supposed to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I am out of my league. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. So it was great. I loved it. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then that forced me back into the books. And
Speaker 1: because I didn't have a film background, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's that big mystery when you're in the Midwest, like
Speaker 1: if you didn't study it in school, it's all a
Speaker 1: huge mystery, like what is this world? What? How do
Speaker 1: you get into it? So I just had to jump
Speaker 1: in and make a lot of failures. And the same
Speaker 1: with Twitch, I guess too. Actually, yeah, then you have
Speaker 1: the production company, aren't clever and you've done lots of
Speaker 1: dope stuff work people. Yeah, and then uh, we did
Speaker 1: a shoot called All Deaf Digital, but it was something
Speaker 1: where we were addressing just how they ignore the racism
Speaker 1: in the name Redskins. That was great. But then he
Speaker 1: did this thing with his production company called a brunch.
Speaker 1: Every was it once a month, every weekend, every week
Speaker 1: every Sunday. Yeah, he did a brunch. It was great.
Speaker 1: People do it like it's very underground, but like it
Speaker 1: was the first I've been to. But it's like an
Speaker 1: industry brunch where you'd like invite his industry friends, you
Speaker 1: can network eat. He they made the biggest I couldn't
Speaker 1: do that at y. Yeah, definitely do that cook for everybody,
Speaker 1: Like I like to cook for people because then I
Speaker 1: don't have to talk to you. But you also invite
Speaker 1: a lot of people from other channels and to come
Speaker 1: and meet. Yeah, and so from that, Uh, when I
Speaker 1: went to the brunch, I learned he was a huge
Speaker 1: nerd and then I fell in love with I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: fellow nerd, you know, I love this guy. I knew
Speaker 1: this guy and he wanted to do this, like, uh,
Speaker 1: launched this Twitch channel with Greg Grunberg called socialtron Live.
Speaker 1: You were the one that invited me. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: didn't even know about this. Yeah, this was a totally
Speaker 1: new world. I didn't know about Twitch at all. It's
Speaker 1: something I just heard about. I had known about justin
Speaker 1: TV before that, but that was only when I wanted
Speaker 1: to watch something illegally could go to justin TV to
Speaker 1: watch it. That's all I knew. And I remember slightly
Speaker 1: hearing about it switching over to Twitch. But I didn't
Speaker 1: really know anything. And you invited me to get kick
Speaker 1: this place out because when I was there there like,
Speaker 1: if you know anybody who would love this, you should
Speaker 1: invite them. And I just met this cool nerd who
Speaker 1: also does film stuff. So I invite Zack and he
Speaker 1: just comes in and he's like, he's a nerd for
Speaker 1: cameras as much as he's a nerd for everything, so
Speaker 1: he immediately was like, oh, this could be so much better.
Speaker 1: And just when one of those like savant rambles and
Speaker 1: they were just like, no, definitely not. That's when I'm
Speaker 1: in my element. Just shut up and listen to me, nerds. No,
Speaker 1: that's unfortunately true. But but yeah, that that was really great.
Speaker 1: That is an interesting experience because that was you exposed
Speaker 1: me to my first sight of twitch and what it
Speaker 1: was like, and that was a neat thing. But I
Speaker 1: go back sometimes and I watched that very first time
Speaker 1: that were it's crap, it's terrible, it's so bad. But
Speaker 1: while I was sitting there, I can remember just thinking about, like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is so neat. There's so much you could do
Speaker 1: with this, and we're just sitting here like two idiots
Speaker 1: making fun of each other, which is fun in and
Speaker 1: of itself, it's fun, but it just felt like there
Speaker 1: was so much more that that platform was allowing. And
Speaker 1: the more questions I asked, the more I got back
Speaker 1: answers like I don't know, maybe you could do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was like, wait, wait, so
Speaker 1: you're telling me that there's I can push out to
Speaker 1: this server. I'm not paying for that space, because that
Speaker 1: was my first good questions, like, this is a live
Speaker 1: who's paying for that? How did where's all the data
Speaker 1: coming from? And when I learned that the chat was
Speaker 1: an open a p I and that you could build
Speaker 1: tools into that chat room, then my brain went nut,
Speaker 1: It's just man, you could There's so much you could do.
Speaker 1: And still this day, I'm always thinking like, well, what
Speaker 1: what could you do? How do you play with that?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? Yeah? But so eventually Socialtrong Live kind
Speaker 1: of fizzled out in its own way, and I just
Speaker 1: get a call from Zach and goes, hey, have you
Speaker 1: heard of this company, geek in Sentry. So I'm working
Speaker 1: with them and I'm launching a twitch champ. Do you
Speaker 1: want to be a part of it? And I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, already, But little do we know how that
Speaker 1: was going to explode into a huge thing. That's great
Speaker 1: because basically that first round of hires was all of
Speaker 1: my friends that we've been working with on sketches for
Speaker 1: UCB and stuff. For the first couple of rounds. I
Speaker 1: remember fighting for you guys to be like, no, it'd
Speaker 1: be great, It'll be great. You need improvisers for this
Speaker 1: kind of content, especially for that first round of content,
Speaker 1: it was all hanging out with us on the couch.
Speaker 1: You need people who can comfortably keep it moving and
Speaker 1: keep it going because watching live content is actually really
Speaker 1: boring unless you work really hard to make it not boring. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I was really adamant. I wanted my UCB friends
Speaker 1: in there. And it's crazy now to think how that's
Speaker 1: affected everyone's careers and where people are now, and like
Speaker 1: what that was like when we first started. It was
Speaker 1: such a fun neat. Literally was just like, hey, here's
Speaker 1: five or six people hanging out on the couch and
Speaker 1: we're just gonna make bits for you know. What I
Speaker 1: was going to say, if you're going back to our
Speaker 1: E Sports episode is something that I realized watching some
Speaker 1: of the commentators is like, just because you know video
Speaker 1: games really well does not mean you're entertaining that you
Speaker 1: can't see a space right now. But that is so
Speaker 1: and I totally agree. It's so great to have people
Speaker 1: that have a comedy background and actually like to fill space.
Speaker 1: Like the worst thing I feel like in live programming
Speaker 1: is just dead dead air, dead space. It is, And
Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, you can be a total nerd
Speaker 1: and be really great and geek out over these things,
Speaker 1: but you also have to be an entertainer for people
Speaker 1: to want to stay on the stream. And I want
Speaker 1: to make it really clear, I'm not dissing anyone who's
Speaker 1: a single streamer. I think that part of the reason
Speaker 1: my companies have never tried to do that is there's
Speaker 1: people who do it so well. There's certain people out there,
Speaker 1: like your co Carnages and stuff, who can go live
Speaker 1: and you're just like captivated by them do such a
Speaker 1: great job with it. I would never want to compete
Speaker 1: in that space. We're trying to do stuff that's using
Speaker 1: the platform to do something different and cool, but not
Speaker 1: infringe on that space or even try to act like
Speaker 1: anything in that space is bad or less. It's difficult.
Speaker 1: It's really hard. That's why so many people try it
Speaker 1: and fail. It's a difficult space. So fast forward to
Speaker 1: you with hyper RPG. So what year was that and
Speaker 1: how did that start taking off? It took off because
Speaker 1: I was really unhappy at Geek and Sundry and I
Speaker 1: had a Malika, my fiance who we work with a
Speaker 1: lot on the channel. She brought Jordan Weissman out to
Speaker 1: one of the shows we're doing on geekin Sundry because
Speaker 1: he was the guy who created hero Clicks and I
Speaker 1: was a big Hero Clicks fan. And for people that
Speaker 1: don't know what is hero Clicks, it's just it's a
Speaker 1: tabletop game where you get to play as superheroes. It's
Speaker 1: super nerdy, awesome, it's great, it's amazing. I feel like
Speaker 1: every episode we find the thing that now there needs
Speaker 1: to be an episode about. Yeah, but he created it.
Speaker 1: So Emlika was like, hey, he's my teacher, you know,
Speaker 1: my professor. You should have him on. So he came
Speaker 1: by and immediately you could see he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in Headhunter moone, and he was asking a lot
Speaker 1: of questions that were very clear, like he's got something
Speaker 1: on his mind. And then he invited me out for
Speaker 1: lunch the next week and he was like, so I've
Speaker 1: heard through the grapevine you're not happy. I'm like, oh, publicly.
Speaker 1: You know, before this week, Zack and I were talking
Speaker 1: that like we both show our true colors really well.
Speaker 1: If we don't like someone, you know it, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm really bad at lying. Yeah, so if somebody's like,
Speaker 1: how are you doing right now, I'm like un and
Speaker 1: uh So then he was like, well, why don't you
Speaker 1: quit that and start a twitch company with me? Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: it sounds great. Uh So I laid out all the
Speaker 1: ideas that I had been pushing for last year that
Speaker 1: we hadn't got to try, and it was like, as
Speaker 1: long as we can go for this totally down and
Speaker 1: it's a huge risk. I mean I had the stability
Speaker 1: and comfort of working for a major studio that's owned
Speaker 1: by legendary and walking away from that's really difficult. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a lie. It was really easy to walk away.
Speaker 1: Difficult to walk away from stability and to try to
Speaker 1: start something completely new that's completely untested. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: any celebrity back king, it doesn't have any large marketing.
Speaker 1: You know. We basically started the company with a hundred
Speaker 1: grand and just said let's go for it, and um,
Speaker 1: we have not shut down yet. We've been going for
Speaker 1: over two years now. Um. From that hundred grand, we've
Speaker 1: been able to keep it moving. And doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, money's rolling in, but just to survive
Speaker 1: with that little of a startup costs has felt like
Speaker 1: a success in it. Yeah, and so when you said
Speaker 1: that you had like these core ideas that you wanted
Speaker 1: what what were those that you came in with, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to do this and this is what I
Speaker 1: want to see on this channel. I wanted to get
Speaker 1: the audience more involved. One of the key things I
Speaker 1: thought was missing from my first round of big studio
Speaker 1: programming I say big studio for Twitch it's big studio programming,
Speaker 1: was that the shows still felt like there was a barrier.
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest strength of Twitch is that
Speaker 1: you're becoming one with the audience. You're you're an active
Speaker 1: representation of their likes and their interests, and if you're
Speaker 1: not involving them, you're you're failing. To me, Twitch is
Speaker 1: a dialogue and not a monologue. YouTube is a monologue.
Speaker 1: TV is a monologue. You're putting that content out there.
Speaker 1: This in a way is a monologue. You get a
Speaker 1: little bit back from your social media and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But Twitch is literally a dialogue. It's real time, it's
Speaker 1: right in your face, and there's an active chat room
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, I will actually stop you right there,
Speaker 1: because that's something we were touching on earlier, which is
Speaker 1: the big difference of Twitch and kind of where this
Speaker 1: excitement behind it comes from is like you said, and
Speaker 1: I think you said it way better than I described it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's a dialogue and people get to
Speaker 1: be interacting and there's no way to talk about hyper
Speaker 1: without getting into interactivity. So we'll even get deeper in
Speaker 1: that soon. But just for the listeners, that's your main
Speaker 1: core difference between like Twitch in your YouTube's and what
Speaker 1: have you. And I think that is true. If you're
Speaker 1: not communicating what your chat, you are failing. And in
Speaker 1: small little ways that the audience is coded, like when
Speaker 1: I do my own solo stream, the first thing someone
Speaker 1: will do before they even follow, will be like, hey,
Speaker 1: just to see if you'll talk to them, because if
Speaker 1: you don't talk to them, they'll leave. You want to
Speaker 1: be reckoning exactly, And the moment you're like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: so and so, how you doing, boom a follow right there,
Speaker 1: that's just how ingrained it is to that user base.
Speaker 1: And I wish I could remember, but someone was saying
Speaker 1: that this is the next phase of online content. It's
Speaker 1: something that that's part of The reason I'm pushing for
Speaker 1: it so hard is I think that it is the
Speaker 1: next phase of media, and you're seeing companies out there.
Speaker 1: Now there's a show on CBS that has a live
Speaker 1: version for the East and the West Coast, and they
Speaker 1: live tweet why it's out because you're getting that real
Speaker 1: time feedback. It's kind of as we distance ourselves more
Speaker 1: and more online and we become less and less in
Speaker 1: touch at each other, I feel like the pendulum swings
Speaker 1: back towards like I need something. I need to feel
Speaker 1: like I'm a part of something. So you have these
Speaker 1: big online games that do really well, but you also
Speaker 1: have Twitch where you feel like you're a part of something,
Speaker 1: your voice matters. You go deeper than just that too,
Speaker 1: the subcultures that exist even on one person's channel. You know,
Speaker 1: our discord room has thirty different rooms in it, and
Speaker 1: each room sometimes has its own small subculture. Of these
Speaker 1: are the things we're interested in. We found each other
Speaker 1: through this like minded thing. We just want a voice.
Speaker 1: We want to know we're not alone. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I don't want to say that everyone on twitches lonely,
Speaker 1: because that's not true. But there's a lot of lonely
Speaker 1: people in the world right now who feel that they're
Speaker 1: missing some sort of connection there and being able to
Speaker 1: provide someone that next step in entertainment, you're not just
Speaker 1: sitting there watching Netflix alone and eating a bag of chips.
Speaker 1: You know, you're watching Netflix with your friends and in
Speaker 1: real time commenting back and forth on what you're experiencing.
Speaker 1: My idea for hyper was, Okay, now you're watching Netflix
Speaker 1: with your friends in your real time watching what if
Speaker 1: you could press a button on your remote to make
Speaker 1: something happen in that show live and interactively that contributes
Speaker 1: to the story as it's happening, and you recognize that
Speaker 1: was me. I did that. I'm important. My voice matters.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we built the whole company around.
Speaker 1: Was that level of I was going to say, like,
Speaker 1: but as a content creator, though, do you feel like
Speaker 1: having constant feedback can never be a hindrance or does
Speaker 1: it feel like you now can't just make what you
Speaker 1: want to make and you have to kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you deal with that? Um At first a
Speaker 1: lot of anxiety, now very freely. I think it took
Speaker 1: a long time coming from production to get used to
Speaker 1: this idea that preproduction doesn't matter as much as real
Speaker 1: time production on what's happening at the moment and responding
Speaker 1: and reacting to it like an improviser. I've learned more
Speaker 1: from my improviser friends and watching their shows and how
Speaker 1: you guys perform and react to things in real time
Speaker 1: than I have from any other type of media, because
Speaker 1: it's about that feedback loop and making sure that you're
Speaker 1: adapting your content to the feeling that's happening in the moment.
Speaker 1: And it can be really tough. And when you empower
Speaker 1: your audience to this level, and I would say from
Speaker 1: a studio standpoint, why it's probably you're seeing this happen
Speaker 1: with when they open up their Twitter and things like
Speaker 1: that too. When you empower your audience to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: there comes negatives to that, which is they think that
Speaker 1: they know better than you because they're so involved, they're
Speaker 1: so connected to it. They think, all of a sudden, well,
Speaker 1: this is mine just as much as it's yours, and
Speaker 1: you should take my advice. We constantly battle that, and
Speaker 1: we try to give people other opportunities to feel like
Speaker 1: their voices heard, even if we have to tell them
Speaker 1: from time to time, I'm sorry, but in this instance
Speaker 1: we know better. We have to say that this is
Speaker 1: how it's going to be done. This is the thing
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Sometimes it's trusting analytics and telling them
Speaker 1: very honestly and openly. Our analytics actually show that even
Speaker 1: though you a couple of you are very loudly saying
Speaker 1: this doesn't work, it doesn't work, it doesn't work, analytically,
Speaker 1: we're seeing better retention by doing this, this, and this.
Speaker 1: That's something we also try to do because there is
Speaker 1: that dialogue feedback loop, very honestly tell the audience this
Speaker 1: is what's happening in that moment, which is very scary
Speaker 1: for a studio or a business to just out in
Speaker 1: the open say, hey, so last week we did this thing.
Speaker 1: It failed. Here's why it failed. Here's the responses we
Speaker 1: got from it, here's all these things we saw that
Speaker 1: you didn't respond to it the way we wanted. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna make these changes. And yeah, I remember when
Speaker 1: I joined the channel, when if you and I joined
Speaker 1: hyper RPG, you are very upfront about the financials. E
Speaker 1: feel like that was an important part of like keeping
Speaker 1: this community feel. Yes, I think it's very important. It's
Speaker 1: basically like a live kick started. Now, not every company
Speaker 1: should do it this way, that's just the way we
Speaker 1: chose to do it. But using Twitch as a platform
Speaker 1: to embrace that attitude, if you get to the heart
Speaker 1: of it, why would I hide it? That's not what
Speaker 1: Twitch is about. Twitch is very voyeuristic in that way.
Speaker 1: So if we're gonna run a company, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to run that company voyeuristically and let them behind a
Speaker 1: little bit and tell them exactly what's happening and not
Speaker 1: hide anything. And what ends up happening is they end
Speaker 1: up supporting you more because you're a real person. They
Speaker 1: trust you. They see that you're not just taking money
Speaker 1: and spending it recklessly. You're just trying to make cool
Speaker 1: stuff and do really cool content. And we feel people
Speaker 1: support that on Twitch, which is to me that that's
Speaker 1: so cool the future of entertainment in a way, like
Speaker 1: you pay for what you think is worth it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember being in our discord and people would be like,
Speaker 1: I want to buy Zach Like he works so hard,
Speaker 1: I would just want to buy him a movie ticket.
Speaker 1: And like people think if they would see you know,
Speaker 1: on the stream, like constantly working all these shows, I
Speaker 1: think people got you were a part of their family
Speaker 1: because they saw you every single day, and I just
Speaker 1: remember it was like I want to take him in
Speaker 1: Malika like on a day, and like I feel that
Speaker 1: all he does his work. It gets weird. It's a weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're so invested in you, and I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, wish that they could
Speaker 1: have that with their fans or with their community members. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's also interesting too is I feel like, you know, Twitch,
Speaker 1: the the window is kind of on both sides, which
Speaker 1: is like you get a chance to kind of know
Speaker 1: the people who are watching and the people see you.
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting because I remember when I mentioned
Speaker 1: Twitch to people who aren't in then now, which is
Speaker 1: a k other people in Hollywood who I often are like,
Speaker 1: they're like what, there's often this idea that like these
Speaker 1: are like, you know, these nerdy kids watching it because
Speaker 1: the time you'll see it in public or kids who
Speaker 1: will have their iPad in public and they're watching mine
Speaker 1: crafting is and all this. But what they don't know
Speaker 1: is is actually a pretty diverse age wise group of people.
Speaker 1: They're just full grown adults, people with jobs, people, And
Speaker 1: I think it's just because people can't understand the concept
Speaker 1: of watching. Some times they're not wanting to get it. Sometimes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes when I first discovered it too, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this? Why would I? Why would
Speaker 1: I get into it? And it took me a little
Speaker 1: bit to understand it. And I think that's the biggest
Speaker 1: challenge in is the learning curve for a viewer. The
Speaker 1: UI is not that intuitive, you know, like they're making
Speaker 1: updates to it all the time. But the biggest thing
Speaker 1: we get back from new viewers that are coming in,
Speaker 1: I don't get this. I can't what what am I
Speaker 1: supposed to be looking at? What's going on? I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to tell people, like, get in that chat room,
Speaker 1: just say something in our community. You'll get feedback and
Speaker 1: you'll find you're like, you're tweeting at us, obviously you
Speaker 1: like this content. Go in the chat just say hi.
Speaker 1: And they're nervous too, because it's a very intimidating platform,
Speaker 1: because it's not as inviting as the simplicity of opening
Speaker 1: up your Netflix account or going to YouTube. Is a
Speaker 1: much more natural kind of thing. T which feels a
Speaker 1: little bit more get keeped in a way from its
Speaker 1: own UI and its own set up. There is something
Speaker 1: on Twitch for every type of nerd, literally, but you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that if you just went to Twitch that TV,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, oh, so everybody here just plays
Speaker 1: Fortnite and over watching League Legends and that's all you
Speaker 1: would know. Yeah, that's very That's all you would know,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't. You would walk away thinking this isn't
Speaker 1: for me. But if you spent just a little bit
Speaker 1: of time you searched or trying to find what you're
Speaker 1: looking for, you're going to find your people. And that's
Speaker 1: what I love about it. It is tough, though it is.
Speaker 1: It is hard to find. It's it's difficult. I think
Speaker 1: that is something worth mentioning. Yeah, when you go to Twitch,
Speaker 1: there is a hero page with I don't even want
Speaker 1: to say top streams, but selected streams are put on
Speaker 1: the front page. Some of those positions are paid for,
Speaker 1: some of her hand picked, and through that you would
Speaker 1: assume you get an idea of the of the makeup
Speaker 1: of Twitch, but it's not really the case. Like you said,
Speaker 1: if a new game comes out, so you come out
Speaker 1: on a Friday where new game drops, you're gonna think
Speaker 1: twitches everyone streaming this game, because nine times out of ten,
Speaker 1: if you're a front page streamer, you're gonna be playing
Speaker 1: the newest game. That's just like, that's just the way
Speaker 1: it goes. But it's more than that. They're they're trying
Speaker 1: to make updates to the discover a getting platform. But
Speaker 1: they're definitely the other thing right under the hero player
Speaker 1: you see is top games, and it's always going to
Speaker 1: be a very specific four or five at the top.
Speaker 1: It's very self already said it. I know if you
Speaker 1: if there's a StarCraft tournament, it'll pop up to the
Speaker 1: top again, or World Warcraft drops an update, it will
Speaker 1: jump up to the top again. But and that creates
Speaker 1: this self fulfilling prophecy with streamers to where well, the
Speaker 1: only way I'm gonna get seen then is if I'm
Speaker 1: playing Fortnite because it's at the top. So Fortnite just
Speaker 1: keeps getting bigger because they'll log in and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: i'm gonna stream a game, I better stream Fortnite because
Speaker 1: that's what everyone's watching. I'm not saying everyone does this,
Speaker 1: but that's one of the best tactics to find viewers
Speaker 1: because that's what everyone's watching. And that's very true, and
Speaker 1: I want to if you are a solo streamer trying
Speaker 1: to start up and and your careers, I want to
Speaker 1: implore that you do not do that. You get lost
Speaker 1: in that, and just to even go more in depth
Speaker 1: with it, so you see, basically, you see the quote
Speaker 1: unquote cover of the game and the amount of viewers
Speaker 1: watching it, and if you are a viewer, you click it,
Speaker 1: and then it ranks all the streamers streaming it, but
Speaker 1: it's from order of the most viewers to the least.
Speaker 1: So if you are a new streamer, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: all the way at the bottom. However, if you have
Speaker 1: a game that you like that's niche and you click that,
Speaker 1: the community for that game is going to find you
Speaker 1: a lot easier. I play games like Dauntless, which doesn't
Speaker 1: have a big community, and I you know, I usually
Speaker 1: only have about like viewers, but I'm at the top
Speaker 1: because I'm one of the few sutreaments. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: a much higher percentage chance of someone finding exactly at
Speaker 1: the top. But even then, I would say anyone who's
Speaker 1: wanted to try it out, just do what you love
Speaker 1: because it's live content and you can't fake for very
Speaker 1: long on live content, people will see through you, So
Speaker 1: you better do what you love. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: play a game just to be popular or to be
Speaker 1: at the top, they're going to see through it eventually.
Speaker 1: Do what you love, what you know the most about
Speaker 1: what you you know. One of my favorite people in
Speaker 1: the world, Jim Stewart Allen. Did you get to meet
Speaker 1: him when you want to. He's gonna be town Friday night.
Speaker 1: He's doing an organ trail RPG with which is going
Speaker 1: to be ridiculous, but Morgan trail is his thing. That's
Speaker 1: what he loves. And he went on Twitch and streamed
Speaker 1: Oregon Trail for like over two days straight. Every day
Speaker 1: he just did the same very first organ trail over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. But he's so passionate about
Speaker 1: it and what he loves. It's really fun to watch
Speaker 1: and it's really interesting and he found an audience from that,
Speaker 1: and he found some gigs from that, and he found
Speaker 1: some other work from that because that's what he loves.
Speaker 1: And I think you have to do that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and speaking passionately, I know your community is very passionate.
Speaker 1: But we'll get into that right after the break and
Speaker 1: we are back. Hello, welcome back to Narrative Cent. I'm
Speaker 1: if Zack. You bank Yes, um, so we were talking
Speaker 1: about the community. Yeah, how I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: does it flux to wait for you like your numbers
Speaker 1: or how does that work? Because Twitch is something that
Speaker 1: you have to pay for every month, or if you're
Speaker 1: a subscriber, you don't have to subscribe the contents free
Speaker 1: for anyone, so anyone can watch your shows live. So
Speaker 1: what are the added benefits of subscribing? Um? For us
Speaker 1: in particular, A lot of people don't do this and
Speaker 1: we used to get a lot of flak for it,
Speaker 1: but we get less flat now is more people have
Speaker 1: started signing on to do this. We put our v
Speaker 1: o d s behind a sublock and for people that
Speaker 1: don't know v o d s video on demand, so
Speaker 1: the recording of what we just did. Say, you're a
Speaker 1: European viewer and we have a live show at six pm.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get up at nine am that
Speaker 1: morning or you know, four am whatever it is to
Speaker 1: to watch. You want to go to bed. So you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll catch the v o D in the morning. We
Speaker 1: sublock ours, which you know does suck. For those viewers
Speaker 1: who want to be able to see it as quickly
Speaker 1: as possible, who just unfortunately don't live in the right
Speaker 1: time zone. The sad truth of the situation is running
Speaker 1: a business costs a lot of money. We pay all
Speaker 1: our talent, We try to do everything right as a company,
Speaker 1: and we just have to on a financial standpoint. We
Speaker 1: have to lock our our votes, but not everyone does that.
Speaker 1: That's a choice, which is ultimately one of the things
Speaker 1: I like about Twitch. I have control over things like that.
Speaker 1: If a streamer doesn't want to sublock their votes, they
Speaker 1: don't have to. You get access to a mote to
Speaker 1: win new sub um you get access to other special
Speaker 1: features as designed by the streamer, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: up to the streamer what they want behind that subscription.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a good way to go about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's pretty cool too because, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's optional. So if if someone doesn't want to stream
Speaker 1: it's like you know, or you know, if someone signing
Speaker 1: the financial place to subscribe, then then they can still
Speaker 1: enjoy it. But you know that it is really cool,
Speaker 1: uh when you do, and I mean they keep releasing
Speaker 1: new tools to allow that to be easier for people
Speaker 1: to because I mean, ultimately, it's one of the easiest
Speaker 1: ways to support a streamer and say I like this content.
Speaker 1: It's like signing up for Hulu. It's like signing up
Speaker 1: for Netflix. Are saying I want to give this person
Speaker 1: five bucks a month to say I support you and
Speaker 1: I want you to keep making this kind of content.
Speaker 1: And Twitch keeps releasing new tools that make it easier
Speaker 1: for people to do, Like Twitch Prime. You link your
Speaker 1: Amazon account with your Twitch account. You get a free
Speaker 1: subscription every month to give to a streamer of your choice.
Speaker 1: It doesn't au already new, so you have to remember
Speaker 1: to go back into the channel and to add that.
Speaker 1: They added a new extension where it can do it.
Speaker 1: The only thing is this an overlay extension, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't know though it's just a it's just a pop out.
Speaker 1: That's just like don't forget, which I get. I mean
Speaker 1: Amazon's business too. You can't. You can't just enable that.
Speaker 1: Then it wouldn't have existed in the first place. It's
Speaker 1: just like Amazon Prime. They're betting on you forgetting to
Speaker 1: get free shipment every single time. That's how you get it.
Speaker 1: Same thing, it's you know, most people forget to use it.
Speaker 1: That's how it pays off of the people who don't forget.
Speaker 1: And um, the other thing, they just releases gifting subs
Speaker 1: which people have been asking for for a long time.
Speaker 1: That happens all the time in our channel, or somebody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm from you know, I'm from here. I'm having a
Speaker 1: rough month right now. I really wish I could subscribe Boom.
Speaker 1: Someone will gift it to them immediately, just by that
Speaker 1: sense of community of like I got you, I got
Speaker 1: five bucks, you can have it. It's such a different
Speaker 1: community than you, Tobe, so Zack, you actually work to
Speaker 1: help people that are trying to transition from YouTube to twitch.
Speaker 1: Um so how about like how I know that we're
Speaker 1: talking a little bit as far as how people get
Speaker 1: started with a Twitch channel, and can you also talk
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how you get Twitch partnered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: luckily it's really a lot easier now. Partner for Twitter
Speaker 1: used to be much more up in the air, wasn't
Speaker 1: really clear set rules. They've done a better job now
Speaker 1: saying these are the requirements. If you meet these requirements,
Speaker 1: you'll get partnered. This many hours watched you stream this
Speaker 1: many hours a week. You have this kind of current
Speaker 1: level of viewer base, you'll get partnered. So you just
Speaker 1: gotta hit those goals, and those goals are available on
Speaker 1: their website and within your Twitch user. Yeah, they do
Speaker 1: it as achievements and after every stream you actually see
Speaker 1: your progress. Uh. It's it's it's actually really really cool
Speaker 1: because it was like back in the day, was how
Speaker 1: do you how do you get partnering? There were stuff,
Speaker 1: it was it was rough. Ye, Well so then what
Speaker 1: are the benefits of being partnered and how do you
Speaker 1: get like on the front page? Oh you get paid? Okay,
Speaker 1: mean that's you don't people can't subscribe to if you're
Speaker 1: not a partner. Well now they have a fili which
Speaker 1: kind of work like that. But there are benefits to
Speaker 1: being a partner, lots of benefits actually. Um so it's
Speaker 1: definitely a goal that you want to hit, including like
Speaker 1: special events with Twitch, getting invited to participate in things
Speaker 1: with them. You know, they try really hard to take
Speaker 1: care of their partner base. They've been growing exponentially, so
Speaker 1: I think that's been a challenge for them because they're
Speaker 1: growing so fast and they're partnering a lot of people
Speaker 1: it's hard to keep everyone happy. Yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: smiling because I realized that I had two shows on
Speaker 1: your channel and I never had to worry about like
Speaker 1: I don't even know the behind the scenes. That's what
Speaker 1: happens sometimes when you get to host at a at
Speaker 1: a studio channel, is there's people exact taking care of everything.
Speaker 1: We worry about that stuff day in and day out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just to have fun and I did so.
Speaker 1: As far as people moving from YouTube to Twitch, I
Speaker 1: see a lot of studios trying to do that now
Speaker 1: in people but because twitches asking them to. Okay, I
Speaker 1: won't dive in any specifics to keep from getting in
Speaker 1: trouble of indias and stuff, but I know that right now,
Speaker 1: that's kind of It's an interesting space in the live
Speaker 1: world right now because Mixer Facebook are both trying to
Speaker 1: buy people out and a Twitch contract and I know
Speaker 1: a few people. There was someone I won't name them
Speaker 1: because I don't know if they want all their business
Speaker 1: out like that. But I was gonna invite a streamer
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that streamer is not on Twitch anymore. But
Speaker 1: because I probably know you Facebook and the but and
Speaker 1: it was because they didn't know that when you are
Speaker 1: a partner, you are exclusive to Twitch. You can only
Speaker 1: stream yourself playing video There's like little kind of ways around,
Speaker 1: like if you're not streaming, you playing video games on
Speaker 1: like a different platform and like Facebook. But like when
Speaker 1: you're like committing to like Facebook gaming and you're streaming
Speaker 1: the same way you would as you would on Twitch,
Speaker 1: you are in breach of your contract. I asked this
Speaker 1: all the time. Why don't you guys live stream this
Speaker 1: to YouTube? Why I want to watch on YouTube? I
Speaker 1: don't watch YouTube, Like, I'm not going to breach my contract,
Speaker 1: have a contract. I'm also not at liberty to talk
Speaker 1: about what's in that contract. But basically, you know, right now,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the wild West because which is great
Speaker 1: because it's putting power into the content creator's hands a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But Facebook buying people out. Mixer will
Speaker 1: offer people deals, and you know, YouTube is in a
Speaker 1: position where people are flooding away from YouTube and Twitch
Speaker 1: is coming to me and like, you you should come
Speaker 1: to my platform, come over here. But do you think
Speaker 1: that's going to bring some of the toxicity with it.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's such a it's been such a
Speaker 1: nice community, but it's up to you. That's the difference
Speaker 1: with Twitch and YouTube is they give you the tools
Speaker 1: and it's up to you to enoct them. And they've
Speaker 1: just released some stricter guidelines which some of those people
Speaker 1: that are coming over and I won't name names, they're
Speaker 1: going to find themselves in trouble because their communities will
Speaker 1: get them banned from Twitch if Twitch lives up to
Speaker 1: their end of those partner agreements the way their communities act.
Speaker 1: I know who you're talking about, yea. So it used
Speaker 1: to just be what you did on screen resulted and
Speaker 1: you're getting punished for it. There's some new rules now
Speaker 1: where if your community is doing things, you can be
Speaker 1: held responsible for that because if you're not putting a
Speaker 1: stop to you have the ability to those giving tools.
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to talk about because there
Speaker 1: are so many toxic communities that people turn a blind
Speaker 1: eye too because they're getting numbers. But it is very
Speaker 1: true that as a content creator, you are in control
Speaker 1: of what your community puts out. Your community could only
Speaker 1: do what you allow. If your community is saying slurs
Speaker 1: and being ignorant and all this stuff, it's because you're
Speaker 1: not banning those people, so you're only making it worse
Speaker 1: because other people are seeing that happen. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool, here, let's go. But it's when you and
Speaker 1: some of them are four to year old boys that
Speaker 1: don't understand how people talk in the real world, completely honest.
Speaker 1: They think this is the culture of twitch. I saw
Speaker 1: other people say this another channel. So they just come
Speaker 1: in and they say stuff and they don't realize, Oh
Speaker 1: that's bad. What do you mean I can't call a
Speaker 1: girl a grill and know? Yeah, man, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because Zach, I think when I came
Speaker 1: over to hyper you really showed me that even having
Speaker 1: a channel that's not necessarily as big as some of
Speaker 1: these other you tube channels that kind of put their
Speaker 1: hands up like, oh no, we can't do anything. Those
Speaker 1: channels have the finances and the people and the staff
Speaker 1: to actually moderate their comments, and they chose not to,
Speaker 1: you know, and you were so specific about like that's
Speaker 1: not going to happen here. Yeah, Well, it's tough and
Speaker 1: it's a tough decision to make. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I have have to have meetings with investor. You know,
Speaker 1: our investors sometimes be like yo, I'm sorry, but we can't,
Speaker 1: and then they're with me on it. Believe me. That's
Speaker 1: part of the original mission of the company. But it
Speaker 1: is definitely a decision because we know that some of
Speaker 1: our choices have led to less viewers. We know that
Speaker 1: we could have more viewers. We could then open ourselves
Speaker 1: up to more brands. By having more viewers, our thought processes, well,
Speaker 1: those brands might not be as happy with us, So
Speaker 1: let's create a platform that might have less numbers but
Speaker 1: higher engagement, which we've also learned leads to more revenue. UM.
Speaker 1: If they're comfortable, if they're a more mature individual, they're
Speaker 1: more likely to support you through revenue UM. So there's
Speaker 1: a it's a plus minus kind of thing. But you
Speaker 1: also create a situation where we can have people come
Speaker 1: on speak their opinion and talk about really heavy things
Speaker 1: and not worry about any negativity coming back because that
Speaker 1: we just don't let it fly. It's just not going
Speaker 1: to happen. So you you're safe in that space to
Speaker 1: speak your mind. I wanted to say so with with
Speaker 1: Facebook now also doing um live gaming and things like
Speaker 1: what what do you see as far as the future
Speaker 1: of Twitch, Like where is it moving to I am
Speaker 1: there's places I wanted to move to and there's where
Speaker 1: I think it will go, and I think, unfortunately those
Speaker 1: are very different. Um. You know, obviously I'm biased because
Speaker 1: I create a very specific type of content that honestly
Speaker 1: might not last on that platform forever. It might be
Speaker 1: I need something new to come out that hasn't been
Speaker 1: invented yet to support the kind of content I'm wanting
Speaker 1: to make. But you know, with the Drake Ninja situation
Speaker 1: at Fortnite, you know, that gets talked about and it
Speaker 1: brought a ton of it from people that don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Ninja is a huge streamer on Twitch. It was
Speaker 1: known for he has actually broke the subscriber record on
Speaker 1: Twitch a lot. Yeah, Like he basically does make estimated
Speaker 1: five thousand a month and that's only if people use
Speaker 1: the base level subscription, which I know for a fact
Speaker 1: they haven't. And so he's been so big and when
Speaker 1: he broke this record, obviously, you know, celebts are starting
Speaker 1: to find out and he played with Drake. Drake wasn't
Speaker 1: even shown did immediately. Yeah, But what was cool about that,
Speaker 1: and I think we'll hopefully continue to happen is it
Speaker 1: brings a whole new audience to Twitch. And also when
Speaker 1: you have someone like Drake on Twitch, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: it have that weird social stigma of like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a nerdy thing. It's like, oh no, this is
Speaker 1: a cool thing because everyone plays video games. Everyone plays
Speaker 1: video games. But there's like these weird tears that people
Speaker 1: socially put in their head that is like, oh that's
Speaker 1: too nerdy for me. But when we make channel, but
Speaker 1: when you make it more acceptable, when you make it
Speaker 1: more like there's a huge tabletop commune. If they only
Speaker 1: knew that they haven't found that one, which yeah, they
Speaker 1: haven't figured that one. That's what we're trying to break into.
Speaker 1: I mean, gen CON's huge every year. Most of the
Speaker 1: people I meet at gen Con don't know what Twitch
Speaker 1: is still to this day, and it's not very inviting
Speaker 1: to them. So I don't necessarily disagree with their Twitch
Speaker 1: have sorry to cut you off. Twitch have a present
Speaker 1: at None. I've been working on that, but it's I mean,
Speaker 1: now they're gonna be pulling out of a lot of
Speaker 1: those I think now they're just gonna be mainly doing
Speaker 1: They'll have booths at those things. But I know that
Speaker 1: this Paxist was like one of the first big cons
Speaker 1: where they haven't had a media presence at all, and
Speaker 1: that was a huge surprise for everyone. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be trying to figure out
Speaker 1: because that stuff costs money for them to run. It
Speaker 1: costs money, and it cost a lot of money. So
Speaker 1: they've got people now like this Ninja situation where it's
Speaker 1: blowing up, So obviously, from a business standpoint, somebody's gonna go, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's great, let's focus on that. That doesn't really
Speaker 1: go well with my goals. But I'm happy for the
Speaker 1: company because more people coming on the platform could trickle
Speaker 1: down to me, possibly if they can find me, but otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's gonna make things a little interesting
Speaker 1: for the type of content I make. But games aren't
Speaker 1: gonna stop. They're gonna keep growing. So I think this
Speaker 1: aspect of the people playing them are going to be
Speaker 1: more famous in the games themselves is just gonna keep
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I don't see that
Speaker 1: stopping anytime soon. As far as live interactive content creation,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to move probably away from Twitch
Speaker 1: a little bit and possibly start showing up more on television.
Speaker 1: Things like Netflix and Hulu are going to start adopting
Speaker 1: these practice. That's my long term goal. I'd love to
Speaker 1: see somebody. It'd be real smart if it was Amazon,
Speaker 1: considering they own Twitch. But you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: misconceptions happened there with how Amazon or so many people
Speaker 1: tell like, oh, Amazon's got their hands so deep and
Speaker 1: Twitch and all this stuff. I'm like, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish they were deeper. Man, I'd love to be able
Speaker 1: to log onto my Amazon Fire and or log into
Speaker 1: my Amazon app and see Twitch or shows on Twitch.
Speaker 1: There aren't there's no presence of that whatsoever. Comics Ology
Speaker 1: is owned by Amazon. There's no communication on between the two.
Speaker 1: Like Amazon's always been pretty big on like that wing
Speaker 1: is that wing, this wing is this wing. They've integrated
Speaker 1: new features like Twitch Prime, stuff like that, but they
Speaker 1: could be going way deeper and oh yeah they're not.
Speaker 1: So it's I don't think. I think people just overreact
Speaker 1: because they see changes that must be Amazon. It's like
Speaker 1: where it's just Twitch growing, you know, trying to grow
Speaker 1: as a company. Man. That's very exciting. Yeah, that wraps
Speaker 1: up nicely. So where can people find you Zach on
Speaker 1: hyper rpg, Twitch dot tv, slash hyper rpg. That's literally
Speaker 1: where I'm at, streaming every day, every day pretty much
Speaker 1: sometimes on the weekends, mostly Monday through Friday. About forty
Speaker 1: hours a live content a week. There's always something live though,
Speaker 1: something playing always and then your your handle is at
Speaker 1: hyper underscore IPG on Twitter. Yeah, remember that underscore. I
Speaker 1: I had it in my profile without some dude that's
Speaker 1: you know, hyper obg since two thousand ten that won't
Speaker 1: give it up. We can't find on. I've been trying
Speaker 1: really hard on I feel you. Danny Fernandez blocked me.
Speaker 1: The guy he blocked me. Someone's just miss Danny Fernandez.
Speaker 1: Someone is squatting on just Iffy playing Iffy, and I've
Speaker 1: tried everything. Twitter has no rule against squatting, like they
Speaker 1: literally and I would have to get a copyright on
Speaker 1: Iffy to yank it like they're like I have a
Speaker 1: trademark on hyperfe gene. I still can't get it. Really,
Speaker 1: I've been to is he active at all? No, not
Speaker 1: since two thousand He's have one tweet since two thousand ten.
Speaker 1: Won't help us, right this guy? No? But you know
Speaker 1: one day, well, I am at ms ms Danny Fernandez,
Speaker 1: and I was going to say make sure thanks to
Speaker 1: everyone that's been reviewing us, and Apple podcast gave us
Speaker 1: a big shout out that is so dope. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. If you'll haven't yet, it really helps us
Speaker 1: and helps get get um, you know, more eyes on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Tell a friend about it. Um. But if
Speaker 1: you could go and just take one minute of your
Speaker 1: day and review the podcast, if it's a good rive,
Speaker 1: ounds good, I know. No, I've seen the haters trickle in.
Speaker 1: There's like just because like if it's a one star
Speaker 1: review and someone's saying why they're giving a one star review,
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, you might really hate it, but
Speaker 1: there's just like ghost one star reviews or it's like okay,
Speaker 1: that must be my ex. But also, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna set some stretch goals. I've just thought about it
Speaker 1: after doing uh today. But on Anthony Carboni's podcast, he
Speaker 1: gave us these cool pins. So like you know, at
Speaker 1: at game yeah, at one hundred reviews, I'm gonna drop
Speaker 1: some stickers. At a two fifty, I'm thinking I'm getting
Speaker 1: the pins. And at one k review, I want to
Speaker 1: get a vinyl figure of me and Danny. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: because I got connects. Now, I got Vinyl Figure connects.
Speaker 1: So I thought you were going to say, like a
Speaker 1: Varsity letterman's jacket. Oh no, that's a d K reviews.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well at each of those at the Vinyl
Speaker 1: figure one or two, depending on how many you have
Speaker 1: to order to get it. Lucky listeners will get if
Speaker 1: you and Danny Vinyl figures at one K reviews. By
Speaker 1: the way, if on Twitter at if F Y A,
Speaker 1: W I, D I D we make sure you follow
Speaker 1: Nerdifficent on Facebook and on Instagram and on Twitter, and
Speaker 1: you know, tell us what you'd like to see a
Speaker 1: lot of you'll have been telling us, and we have
Speaker 1: been saying, yeah, yeah, we're writing it down. We got
Speaker 1: some cool apps coming, and we will be tackling the
Speaker 1: stuff you're throwing at us. And I would say too
Speaker 1: that if people ask you guys questions about Twitch after this, like,
Speaker 1: feel free to loot me into those conversations. I could
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff. Well it's it's literally all I do.
Speaker 1: So I can talk about it on episode we do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and check out the hyper RBG channel, do it. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, y'all know there's some gyms in there. There's
Speaker 1: some hidden gyms of Danny and Iffy. Can you look
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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. The Ta