Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to another edition All the Smoke coming to you
Speaker 1: from New York. Jack, what's up? I like your tain
Speaker 1: bro brother, Appreciate, appreciate it. It is. We got a
Speaker 1: special guest here today, man, someone that I meeting for
Speaker 1: the first time in person today. But I just admired
Speaker 1: his work, ethic, his grind, his hustle. Welcome Chris Brickly.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Appreciate offseason time. This is your time
Speaker 1: to shine right now. What has you most excited about
Speaker 1: going into the next season for the gods you train?
Speaker 1: First off, it's not my time to shine, you know.
Speaker 1: It's I'm big on that. It's it's it's the player's
Speaker 1: time to get better. I'm big on It's not about me.
Speaker 1: It's about the guys. UH got like four or five
Speaker 1: core guys that come in throughout the whole summer and
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of figure out different aspects of
Speaker 1: the game to get better. And then you guys, since
Speaker 1: being in New York, guys are being in out the
Speaker 1: whole summer. I've built, like you know, with the Black Ops.
Speaker 1: Anytime someone comes in the city, they'll get a little
Speaker 1: workout in, and that's that's different than like the core
Speaker 1: guy workouts. Those are like, you know, just getting shots
Speaker 1: and going about that. So it's kind of two different
Speaker 1: things that I'm working on right now. So when you
Speaker 1: have your core core guys, I saw you watching film
Speaker 1: the other day on your I g like, what kind
Speaker 1: of stuff do you do? And then how much you
Speaker 1: know he tells you what he like, because I remember
Speaker 1: one time, you know, I think Kobe was talking to
Speaker 1: somebody and he says something like, I can't tell you
Speaker 1: what you need to work on your Like you need
Speaker 1: to know what you need to improve on how much
Speaker 1: of that is you study and then also collaboring with
Speaker 1: your work. So actually, Kobe on your Guys show, so
Speaker 1: I was saying, how he's he's big on the player
Speaker 1: needs to communicate with the trainer what he thinks needs
Speaker 1: to work on, and you know it's the trainer's job
Speaker 1: to figure that out. You know, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: two ways. You know, you have a guy like Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant who he's so self aware of himself, but you
Speaker 1: have like a nineteen two year old rookie. They don't
Speaker 1: always know exactly what they need to work on. They
Speaker 1: might want to just score twenty points a game instead
Speaker 1: of understanding their role. And you know, so then that's
Speaker 1: kind of when I put my input in. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm working with like a James or even like
Speaker 1: a C. J or Mellow, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: collective and they tell me, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: work on this, I want to work on that, and
Speaker 1: it's my job to go through the film and kind
Speaker 1: of figure it out. What is black ops basketball? So
Speaker 1: black Ops is song that me and Mellow started. So
Speaker 1: I was actually got me and a lot of trouble
Speaker 1: when I started. So I was, I was, I was
Speaker 1: working with the Knicks at the time, and uh so
Speaker 1: I'll tell the story. I was working with the Knicks
Speaker 1: at the time. We're in Puerto Rico. Mellows like, yo,
Speaker 1: when we get back to New York, put together this run.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, put together this run. It was
Speaker 1: like Katie, it was a bunch of non Nick players,
Speaker 1: and the media heard about it. And if you're coaching
Speaker 1: for an NBA team, you can't be having other players
Speaker 1: and you can't be conducting a workout with other players.
Speaker 1: So that was the start of Black Ops. And then
Speaker 1: you know, me and Mellow we have a U team.
Speaker 1: We we do the Black Ops runs and kind of
Speaker 1: all the training is under Black Ops. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what we call so the name some of for those
Speaker 1: who aren't familiar, um name you know some of your
Speaker 1: top guys that you've trained consistently or worked with over
Speaker 1: the years. Yes, and you know Mellow has been one.
Speaker 1: J R. Kind of give me my start. That's my guy, man,
Speaker 1: I owe him everything. Uh you know c J. McCollum.
Speaker 1: I work with Donovan from like eighth grade un till
Speaker 1: till right now. So just watching that whole progression. Cole
Speaker 1: Anthony since a little kid. Uh, you know, I've I've
Speaker 1: worked with Kauai for a few off seasons. That worked
Speaker 1: with Dwell and Bead for a few off seasons. I've
Speaker 1: worked with Katie for a few off seasons. James the
Speaker 1: last three off seasons. It's been in a dope experience.
Speaker 1: Who where have you looked up to? We had a
Speaker 1: chance to have Phil Handy on a couple of shows ago.
Speaker 1: Who have you looked up to in this space? Who
Speaker 1: are some of the people you kind of have helped
Speaker 1: create your package. I played at Louisville so Rick Pettino,
Speaker 1: and then when I was at the next Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: when he got the job, he literally fired the entire
Speaker 1: staff and kept me. I was like, oh ship that
Speaker 1: like the day that that happened. I'm like, I'm being fired,
Speaker 1: Like coach goes in would he he's fired, assistant fired,
Speaker 1: and I'm the last one in the list. I'm like,
Speaker 1: call my dad. I'm like, just say, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: about to get fired right now. I need to figure
Speaker 1: something out going there. And uh it feels like I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna ask you three questions. So I'm just like,
Speaker 1: he's not paying attention to this. Asked me three questions.
Speaker 1: I answered him right. So he said, is Steve Nashal athlete?
Speaker 1: Why or why not? I said, yeah, he is? He
Speaker 1: said why? I said, well, for starters, he has that
Speaker 1: you know that three minute he has the record in
Speaker 1: that and I was like, he's really good at changing speeds.
Speaker 1: I was like, being an athlete doesn't mean you need
Speaker 1: to just be explosive. There's different types of being an athletes.
Speaker 1: So he's like, Okay, give me all the characteristics of
Speaker 1: a jumper, like all the type of jumping. So so
Speaker 1: I'm like, you could be a quick jumper, you could
Speaker 1: be like a high flyer. You'd have a quick second jump.
Speaker 1: You know. That was one of the questions he said,
Speaker 1: when you should have jump shot? Should you go one,
Speaker 1: two and two it? He should you hop into it?
Speaker 1: I said, it doesn't really matter. It's like there's great
Speaker 1: shoes that do both. And he's like all right. He's like,
Speaker 1: meet me tomorrow. You're gonna run the pre draft and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh ship, and uh be a long story short.
Speaker 1: The next morning, he tried to teach me the triangle
Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. I go into the pre draft workout.
Speaker 1: It was a disaster. He's sitting there side. No. No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you just taught me this the whole
Speaker 1: triangle in fifteen minutes. I'm trying to run this workout.
Speaker 1: So Phil and Rippettino, they've kind of been my mentors
Speaker 1: through this, and uh, I looked to them for because
Speaker 1: Field could be intimidating man walk into that office, that
Speaker 1: dark office sometimes. But yeah, I got to the point
Speaker 1: with you know, I comfortable with them. But in the beginning,
Speaker 1: it was it was rough. So again, like I said,
Speaker 1: how I found you in and started watching it and
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, I don't really know you, but
Speaker 1: every time you accomplish something, I see you getting these
Speaker 1: partnerships and deals. I'm like, crack congrass dopes. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about what is it like. I mean, you have a
Speaker 1: Puma partnership, you have a Hennessy partner partnership. Wilson, who's
Speaker 1: going to be the new ball the NBA next year,
Speaker 1: you have a partnership with them. I'm sure the list
Speaker 1: goes on. That's all we can find, but talk to
Speaker 1: us about what it's been like to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're a workout guy that has kind of taking
Speaker 1: it to another level. You got an album, right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: with the partnerships, that was never the goal. The goal
Speaker 1: is always, you know. I was with the Knicks, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I've met so many players, do mellow.
Speaker 1: I think I can leave the Knicks and start a business.
Speaker 1: My whole family was so mad when I did that.
Speaker 1: They're like, You're gonna have no health insurance. How are
Speaker 1: you gonna get paid? And uh So I left the
Speaker 1: Knicks and I struggled for a little bit but I grinded.
Speaker 1: I was never always like in my mind and I
Speaker 1: was like something's gonna work. Like I was never big
Speaker 1: on like hitting the players over the head with like
Speaker 1: these big bills. I've never been that guy. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I just worked. I grinded, and Puma came
Speaker 1: to me, and you know, I became the first sneak
Speaker 1: trainer to get a sneaker deal, a real one, and
Speaker 1: then like NBA two K had me as like the
Speaker 1: first trainer in the game and it's not a body arm.
Speaker 1: And then they just started kind of compounding and it's
Speaker 1: been a blessing. Like I said, it hasn't always been
Speaker 1: the goal. But if I can make money through these
Speaker 1: big cornership you know, big businesses as opposed to being
Speaker 1: like mellow, I get this money from them that have
Speaker 1: to take it from the players exactly. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a big blessing and I'm kind of starting a blueprint
Speaker 1: for like, you know, you can't make the NBA, maybe
Speaker 1: you can look at me and say I could do
Speaker 1: it like that. Well I think that that's a great
Speaker 1: point too, because it was similar to Lebron and his
Speaker 1: team situations, Like he had a team and all of
Speaker 1: them played basketball, but all of them weren't going to
Speaker 1: the league. So what what is your niche? You could
Speaker 1: still be a part of the game by finding your
Speaker 1: niche in it, and you're creating another life for guys
Speaker 1: that have a passion and the love for working people out,
Speaker 1: taking it to another level. Not so talk about the
Speaker 1: album Man album. So that so how the album came
Speaker 1: came across is so over the years. You know, as
Speaker 1: you guys know, a lot of these NBA guys are
Speaker 1: friends with the rappers, and so we work out a
Speaker 1: lot of rappers. But it's it's not so, it's not
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, this is how it works. I'm
Speaker 1: working out James me came to watch the workout's done,
Speaker 1: Meek will shoot like ten shots, someone will recorded and
Speaker 1: it's a workout. It's not real, right, So like I
Speaker 1: get all this hate on social media like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: just working out rappers. It's like no, if you actually
Speaker 1: knew the story, I did a real workout or one
Speaker 1: of the rappers came to the Black Ops run Quavo
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, let's shoot around and then it's a workout.
Speaker 1: So it's not really workouts. The only time I've ever
Speaker 1: so one winter, Travis Scott uh was like, can you
Speaker 1: come on tour with me? Teach manage to the jump shots?
Speaker 1: So I was like, actually, this canna be dope. I'll
Speaker 1: go to all the NBA cities, be able to see
Speaker 1: my players and then be part of you do get
Speaker 1: to be with Travis. So that was like the only
Speaker 1: like time I've ever like really, I guess you could
Speaker 1: technically say I was like working out at a rapper,
Speaker 1: but um so yeah. So the album, you know, um
Speaker 1: big with the workouts, every workout I do. I asked
Speaker 1: to play without me. You want to play, they give
Speaker 1: me an album, will play it. So I was sticking
Speaker 1: over covid. I'm sitting there courting COVID board and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what I have. I know all these rappers.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start album. So I reached out to
Speaker 1: me and Travis, little Baby and Dirk and b Burn, uh,
Speaker 1: Chris Brown and it's gonna be a banger, and UH
Speaker 1: reach out to all of them, and we're working on it.
Speaker 1: Me and my manager are working on just getting the clearances.
Speaker 1: That music industry is no joke. Because they look at me,
Speaker 1: They're like you're a basketball trainer. So these guys in
Speaker 1: these white ties, like, so I have all the songs.
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting on the clearances. But it'll be dope,
Speaker 1: some DJ Kalett type ship. Just putting an all star
Speaker 1: team together. Yeah, I had social media helped you build
Speaker 1: a business brand in a career. It's helped me, you know.
Speaker 1: But but at the same time, por to social media.
Speaker 1: Prior to me being on social media grinding, I played,
Speaker 1: uh straight out of college. I was a graduate assistant
Speaker 1: that will miss, making like seven thousand dollars for the year, Um,
Speaker 1: living in the locker room. Didn't even live in a crib.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I didn't grow up with money. Um.
Speaker 1: Then I took an assistant job after you did that
Speaker 1: for like two years, and then j R. Kind of
Speaker 1: changed my life by so the year he was six
Speaker 1: Man of the Year, I was coaching a fairly Dickinson.
Speaker 1: Every night we go in the gym, start working. He
Speaker 1: had a great year. So he went to management, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he really helped me out last year. So
Speaker 1: I got an interview with him and I got got
Speaker 1: the job. I was a director of player development for
Speaker 1: four years. Cholott switch, like I said, I'll do anything
Speaker 1: for him, and uh, you know I got my got
Speaker 1: my feet wet in the NBA, you know, grinded that
Speaker 1: out and then once I left the next I was
Speaker 1: kind of when I started using social media, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's been good, you know it Also people get this, mister,
Speaker 1: like when I posted these workout clips, that's like ten
Speaker 1: seconds of the workout. You know, I'm not gonna post
Speaker 1: the player like going super tired, missing shots, and I
Speaker 1: hate when you read the comments like why don't you
Speaker 1: post mrs? Why don't you It's like, wow, would I
Speaker 1: post mrs? It wants to watch it, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's but it's definitely helped, definitely helped it. It's it's
Speaker 1: a gift in a curse at the same time, because
Speaker 1: you know, you signed these deals and you have to
Speaker 1: announce them and then your family thinks that you're like
Speaker 1: this ultra rich like you know, it's like it's good
Speaker 1: and it's bad, but um, there's more positives with it.
Speaker 1: So it's been a blessing. Talk about your upbringing in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. I grew up Basketball is my life. Like
Speaker 1: for example, in nineties six, I was ten years old,
Speaker 1: and I watched the mcdohn's American game. I'm never forgetting
Speaker 1: uh yeah, twenty one points. You know, so I'm basketball
Speaker 1: not but if you really look at it. Crazy thing
Speaker 1: was is so after I watched that Kobe and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh I watched I I watched that game.
Speaker 1: I go, you were the high scorer you sco for
Speaker 1: that game. But thank you, Matt. You know it' always
Speaker 1: gives me love. But m yeah, what was the question. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're you're upbringing the New Hampshire. Yeah, New Hampshire. Man,
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. There's not much in the Hampshire. People go skiing,
Speaker 1: people are this woods. There's really nothing going on. So
Speaker 1: I just my entire life was basketball, and you know,
Speaker 1: got got a Division one scholarship and I kind of
Speaker 1: got me out of New Hampshire and I haven't been
Speaker 1: back since. When did you find a game of basketball?
Speaker 1: What age? Uh? Ten? A ten? I started taking it
Speaker 1: serious when I was like doing dribbling Joel's every day.
Speaker 1: Someone told me to take a jump ropen to a
Speaker 1: thousand jump rops a day. So by the time I
Speaker 1: was like a junior, I was top one hundred in
Speaker 1: the country. Uh, you know, my game felt really good. Um,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm literally my whole I was. I was
Speaker 1: that guy that like I was like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: having a girlfriend. Now I'm not drinking. I'm out Like
Speaker 1: it was just basketball and uh yeah, those are the days.
Speaker 1: Watching your McDonald's game got a motivated jack some killers
Speaker 1: who you know coming up? Who were some of the
Speaker 1: teams and players you watched it? Admired Allen Iverson for sure,
Speaker 1: just I feel like, you know, on the court. And
Speaker 1: he started so many trends off the court. He's a
Speaker 1: real legend. Like people have tattoos because of him, but
Speaker 1: people with arms because of him, and people dressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he started so many trends. I loved him. Jay Will
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, the white one, Jason, I
Speaker 1: was like, my guy. I honestly didn't think he was
Speaker 1: talking about the other j Yeah, I was the other Jake.
Speaker 1: Will was nicest, fun bro. I don't see how you
Speaker 1: don't understand that it was. You may not like the character.
Speaker 1: He had games Lady against him in college killer. How
Speaker 1: did he play in the league? He got the motorcycle accident?
Speaker 1: How long did you play? He was good? But we say,
Speaker 1: Jay Will, you do not think Jay Will from Duke.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you think about white chocolate lot there. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you you know who actually someone I would love
Speaker 1: this B D. Baron Davis was like, I just loved
Speaker 1: his game. Um, you guys play with him? Do you
Speaker 1: know him? Yeah, I've met him a few times. He's
Speaker 1: reached out, he's the most and now he's doing you
Speaker 1: know one time it's some weird Yeah, yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot. He's a good guys. Brother, it's
Speaker 1: a good guy man. So so you briefly, um discussed
Speaker 1: kind of your but but talk to us about your
Speaker 1: path from playing to assistant coach to that kind of
Speaker 1: continuing to evolve. Said you went to Louisville, I did
Speaker 1: who what this one? Other schools were recruiting you. So
Speaker 1: coming out I had, you know, I had West Virginia
Speaker 1: offered me, Rutgers offered me, Gonzizaga offered me, Central Florida,
Speaker 1: South Florida, big schools. Yeah, it was what made Louisville
Speaker 1: just you know, think Coach Patino after bat was like, listen,
Speaker 1: if you're loyal to me, if you're loyal to me
Speaker 1: while you're here, then I'm gonna be loyal to you
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I just dope because I knew, you know, I'm a realist, Like,
Speaker 1: chances are I might not make the NBA. But if
Speaker 1: you're telling me that, you and yeah, and he's made
Speaker 1: so many calls. So to answer your question, you know,
Speaker 1: he got me that graduate assistant spott at all miss
Speaker 1: He helped me become the youngest Division one assistant coach
Speaker 1: in the country. You know, he helped me once Jr.
Speaker 1: Kind of helped me with the next He made the
Speaker 1: call to Allen Houston at the time and help me
Speaker 1: get that job. So I, oh, coach p everything. How
Speaker 1: did the Knixt opportunity to help you grow? And what
Speaker 1: kind of relationship did you have? My next years were crazy.
Speaker 1: I went through so many different coaches. What years. So
Speaker 1: I was there from uh two thousand, thirteen fourteen, and
Speaker 1: I was there for four seasons. So when I first
Speaker 1: got there, when he was the coach, Grunwald was the GM.
Speaker 1: Then Grunwald left, Steve Mills came in, then they hired
Speaker 1: Derek Fisher. That was probably my worst nicky years. He
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't uh like I mean, Mellow had a
Speaker 1: relationship that was kind of weird anyways, so he left
Speaker 1: and then um, Jeff Hornessy was there. Hey, we forgot
Speaker 1: about Jeff Hornessy was there, and uh so that those
Speaker 1: are the three coaches. So when I have cool stories
Speaker 1: when I first got there, me and Mellow were there.
Speaker 1: When I left, the only two people in the organization
Speaker 1: were still Mellow. So it was a good time though,
Speaker 1: h you mentioned earlier the black the first Black Ops
Speaker 1: run got you in a little bit of hot water.
Speaker 1: When did you know, Okay, I think I'm ready to
Speaker 1: make this jump. You say you struggle a little bit
Speaker 1: once you made the jump, But what was our turning
Speaker 1: or pivotal moments, like it's time to go being an
Speaker 1: NBA development coach, especially you know with the Knicks. The
Speaker 1: Knicks is an amazing organization, but you guys, know, you
Speaker 1: guys are Hooper's like you know they're they were big
Speaker 1: on Like all right, the workout was done. I want
Speaker 1: to see every number he shot and if he shot
Speaker 1: six out of tend this day in this workout, he's
Speaker 1: not getting better and like it was like no, like
Speaker 1: you can still get better if you have like a
Speaker 1: bad shooting with Drill. You know, it was so it
Speaker 1: was like I was just yeah, you know, I get
Speaker 1: you could say that. So I just wanted to kinda
Speaker 1: do my own thing. And it wasn't even a guarantee. Literally,
Speaker 1: you know, I could have gone all the way bad
Speaker 1: and I could have ended up back in the Hampshire.
Speaker 1: But I just trusted, you know, the people I met
Speaker 1: through Mellow and that's a good decision. What was the
Speaker 1: member turning point moment? But you have to go on
Speaker 1: off on your own. I was like broke, broke, like
Speaker 1: you know, uh bad, like bad. All my credit cards
Speaker 1: and max Style kept getting evicted. It was rough times.
Speaker 1: And you know I signed with this guy back there.
Speaker 1: I signed with him, and you know I got the
Speaker 1: Puma Deale like became you know, the first person in
Speaker 1: two K signed with stock X you know sound Body Armor,
Speaker 1: Uh signed with you know, I kept getting these deals
Speaker 1: there a Body, So he's changed my life and that's
Speaker 1: so I guess that was a turn point. That's really dope.
Speaker 1: What's been like building relationships with these you know, you're
Speaker 1: working out some of the greatest players to ever play
Speaker 1: the game. What is it like developing obviously a working relationship.
Speaker 1: But then you're cool with a lot of I see
Speaker 1: you with a lot of these dudes, you know outside
Speaker 1: of the court as well. What's that experienced been life?
Speaker 1: It's been cool, you know. I've always been big on
Speaker 1: just being myself. Like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if if you don't like me for who I am,
Speaker 1: and we we don't need to do the relationship. And
Speaker 1: and and that's I'm not gonna say any names, but
Speaker 1: there's been some like NBA stars that they you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you're not gonna treat me like a
Speaker 1: human being, you're not gonna. I don't need to do this,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm only gonna do it if it feels right,
Speaker 1: if we click. So I'm big with the relationships. You know,
Speaker 1: to me, player development. If you don't know what the
Speaker 1: players motivated by good luck can get them, so you
Speaker 1: need that relationship. Respect got to be mutual. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: have a question though, before we go to the next thing,
Speaker 1: since we're on the black ops, I mean you those
Speaker 1: are some of the most you know, your runs and
Speaker 1: then our homeboard Rico Hines runs too. Yeah, those are
Speaker 1: like the two Yeah, those are like the two main runs. Um,
Speaker 1: in the off season. Can you recall some some days
Speaker 1: that some guys just just memorable days, They just absolutely
Speaker 1: destroyed everybody on the court. The most memorable one to
Speaker 1: me was Devin Booker. They just destroyed one time. One
Speaker 1: time they had Russ for CP, they were going at it.
Speaker 1: There's been some some legendary moments in that gym. But
Speaker 1: what people don't understand, like unless you've really been around
Speaker 1: those runs and you're only getting glimpses when you see
Speaker 1: your runs, those runs are really than games, way really
Speaker 1: than games because there's not as many pussy ass foul
Speaker 1: called Like motherfucker's are really taking that ship on one
Speaker 1: on one because it's personal. It's not about I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it's a pickup team, so it's not your team.
Speaker 1: So motherfucker's are really going. And they have to also
Speaker 1: have to understand, like guys have a role in the league.
Speaker 1: So you may think someone just does this in the game,
Speaker 1: but let them be free and they know that they
Speaker 1: could just go. It's a whole other story. And you
Speaker 1: know that the help defense isn't the greatest. So that
Speaker 1: means if you can't guard, if you can't guard, you man,
Speaker 1: yeah you're gonna be embarrassed for the whole day. And
Speaker 1: like Russell Westbrook was one guy that he gives no
Speaker 1: fox like, it doesn't matter who is in front of him.
Speaker 1: Every time he's been to a Black Ops he's gonna
Speaker 1: destroy you. He's not gonna talk to you. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be talking ship like and you know, I love I
Speaker 1: love that Russell Black Ops energy. It's uh, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's definitely like people don't understand like j R. Smith
Speaker 1: is one of the best pickup basketball players in the history,
Speaker 1: in the history of pickup basketball. Does everything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shoots the three, does everything. Yeah, well that's dope. And
Speaker 1: it's not a shot he can't make on the court.
Speaker 1: Fade in the way either, shoulder fade don't matter. Playing
Speaker 1: the picture for me though, a typical pack then y
Speaker 1: C Day Black Ops gym. What is looking like? Like
Speaker 1: pain said the same for us man who's watching, who's playing?
Speaker 1: You know the black Ops the games have become so
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the mini garden, Like if you
Speaker 1: go there, if you guys are to come tomorrow, you
Speaker 1: know there's gonna be you know, Faboys is gonna be
Speaker 1: there and eight book he's gonna be there and you
Speaker 1: know it's uh some actors sleeaning Gomez, it showed up
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like if you're in town the
Speaker 1: Black Ops. It's cool. It's cool that that that it's
Speaker 1: like built that it's kind of like the Garden vibe
Speaker 1: but with pickups. So you know that. But normally I'll
Speaker 1: do workout, so I'll have like three or four workouts.
Speaker 1: I do a Black Ops run and I'll do like
Speaker 1: three or four workouts after that. These days are a grind.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you making time. That was the first thing
Speaker 1: when I hit him up because I just hit him
Speaker 1: at racing. I was like, Bro, you want to pull
Speaker 1: up on the show. He's like, yeah, you need to
Speaker 1: come to the Black Ops though, Like what I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you want to be on the show. He's
Speaker 1: like yeah, But you know, well, we would appreciate because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I know what the mother of them
Speaker 1: runs are real, Like I'll go up in Rico sometimes
Speaker 1: and check his runs out of these runs are like
Speaker 1: to me, they're really than games because like I said,
Speaker 1: it's really man on man pride, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to let if the world know there this dude just
Speaker 1: busted your ass all day because everyone's going now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like you said, it ain't that refre that and
Speaker 1: ditate the game. Yeah, you continue to climb up the ladder.
Speaker 1: What was it like partner of with ESPN Plus with
Speaker 1: your series or it was a little uneasy because you know,
Speaker 1: I had a rough childhood. You know, my mom commits suicide. Uh,
Speaker 1: you had a bunch of things, and so when you
Speaker 1: do when you do these shows, they like, you know,
Speaker 1: people like drama, so they wanted to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: how to go to my mom's grave and that. So
Speaker 1: it was a little uncomfortable. I know, the next time
Speaker 1: and whether we do season two or whatever we do,
Speaker 1: it will be smoother. But just starting just to understand
Speaker 1: that everyone's gonna watch you while you're at your most
Speaker 1: like vulnerable moments, sitting are your mom's grave, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It was a learning experience. It was fun though we
Speaker 1: want a webby or up for a web before it,
Speaker 1: so it was cool. Uh, talk to me about Kevin
Speaker 1: Porter Jr. He was someone you worked with, didn't get
Speaker 1: off to a good start. But this kid is so
Speaker 1: fucking talented man, so talented. He's a he's a beast
Speaker 1: and everyone that sees it, like James is like, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to like make sure we worked together this summer.
Speaker 1: He's just he's uh, he's a he's a hooper, he
Speaker 1: has handle, he can shoot, he can he can he's
Speaker 1: he's athletic jo He's made a few mistakes and you
Speaker 1: know that's kind of calls him. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day. I like him at Houston better than I
Speaker 1: like him at Cleveland, so I think he has a
Speaker 1: super bright future. I like him. How did the opportunity
Speaker 1: NBA two K come about me that that kind of
Speaker 1: like changed my life from a sense of like I'll
Speaker 1: go to the airport and people will be like, yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: you Chris really from two K. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: little kids just know me from Chris Realley from two
Speaker 1: K might not even know him a trainer in real life.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So you have the whole world playing a
Speaker 1: video game as my tattoos and my drills, and it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I talked to Ronnie two K at Quevo
Speaker 1: celebrity game. We need to put all the smoke on
Speaker 1: two K. We made that happen, Alex, do you get
Speaker 1: that ship done. I'm gonnahire you too. Goddamn it, we
Speaker 1: can made that happen. But no, I think that would
Speaker 1: be dope. And I saw that you like, my boys
Speaker 1: knew about that because I was just like, they're like, Dad,
Speaker 1: do you know him. I'm like, really, I've been to him.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you need to take us to New
Speaker 1: York and workout. I was like, okay, that's what I
Speaker 1: need to do. Right. So, up to this point, it's
Speaker 1: been incredible. I'm sure the best is yet to come.
Speaker 1: But what would you say you're most proud of? My
Speaker 1: dad was a postal worker. You worked for the USPS
Speaker 1: like a mailman my whole childhood. And so I struggled
Speaker 1: really all my twenties and up until like three years ago,
Speaker 1: I finally started like making real money. Um, just so
Speaker 1: I wanted to started making real money. It took to
Speaker 1: I went home, went to his work, surprised him and said,
Speaker 1: yoll retire. You can retire. I got you. That's the
Speaker 1: best feeling. Ever. That's the most problem with alright, coming
Speaker 1: to the end right here, quick, hitter's first thing to
Speaker 1: come to mind. Top five, This is gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: Most skilled players you've worked with. I gotta go with Mellow.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with James, I gotta go with Kauai.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Katie. This is tough, skilled, skilled,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go with RUSSI all Hall of Famers,
Speaker 1: all time favorite, starting by this is just anybody, Mellow,
Speaker 1: We're just talking about this. This is tough. Going with
Speaker 1: Pistol Pete at the one, Ai at the two, Mellow
Speaker 1: with the three, Lebron at the four. I'm going with
Speaker 1: I'm from New England's I'm going with Bill Russell at
Speaker 1: the five. Five artists. Very interesting. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's not the political correct way that's good in top
Speaker 1: five artists in the game, man, I gotta go with
Speaker 1: everyone that's showing love on the album, so a little Baby.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Dirk, that's my guy. I gotta
Speaker 1: go with Meek. I gotta go with Travis, and I
Speaker 1: gotta go with a Bogie. Three songs always on the
Speaker 1: Black House playlist. You know what. This is a weird one,
Speaker 1: but it's always on there. Jane Biggie Brooklyn's Finest Some
Speaker 1: reason guys love that song. Two other ones that's always
Speaker 1: on there. I would have to go with h dreams
Speaker 1: and nightmares, Meek the intros that's always on there, and
Speaker 1: I would have to go with you know alright, p Nipsey,
Speaker 1: But you know there's always something Nipsey there, great music
Speaker 1: to work out to. I have fitting just find there
Speaker 1: if you're playing some nip um one message on the
Speaker 1: billboard for the world to see. Don't let people tell
Speaker 1: you how you should live your life. Simple, let people
Speaker 1: tell you all you should live like. That's dope. It's simple,
Speaker 1: just that simple. Though, who do you want to say
Speaker 1: on all the smoke? Before you answer, you got to
Speaker 1: help us with your answer. Get on the show. Okay,
Speaker 1: this could be any anybody, anybody. Okay, you gotta get
Speaker 1: with Dirk and Baby because they just came on that
Speaker 1: the joint out pect. I know Baby, but I don't
Speaker 1: I know Dirk, but I don't know I can help
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, we need both of them. Are well,
Speaker 1: Chris Man. We want to thank you. We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've been a big fan. I love
Speaker 1: your evolution. I learned more about your story today. But
Speaker 1: like I said, without realizing, you're setting the blueprint for
Speaker 1: who's next. You know what I mean? And that was
Speaker 1: something that that Jack like when we just jumped in,
Speaker 1: like we just jumped in this ship because we love it.
Speaker 1: You do what you're doing, but we're setting the blueprint
Speaker 1: as well in this space. So man, we always want
Speaker 1: to give people their flowers and show our appreciation fresh
Speaker 1: from the workout, fresh off of workout and working out
Speaker 1: mellow appreciate. And so for me, man, both of you
Speaker 1: guys are literally legends to me. Like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: a second round pick. Bro, you're averaging eighteen, you have
Speaker 1: a ring you you know, like you you guys both
Speaker 1: have these amazing careers. I feel like when you guys
Speaker 1: started this podcast, people did be like, oh, we'll see
Speaker 1: how it is. You guys have the best athletes in
Speaker 1: the world. Like, you guys are doing it big, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tough to be a player and
Speaker 1: then leave and then do something big as host. It's tough,
Speaker 1: and you guys are time. So that's a wrap. C
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