1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: back to another edition All the Smoke coming to you 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: from New York. Jack, what's up? I like your tain 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: bro brother, Appreciate, appreciate it. It is. We got a 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: special guest here today, man, someone that I meeting for 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: the first time in person today. But I just admired 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: his work, ethic, his grind, his hustle. Welcome Chris Brickly. 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Appreciate offseason time. This is your time 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: to shine right now. What has you most excited about 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: going into the next season for the gods you train? 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: First off, it's not my time to shine, you know. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: It's I'm big on that. It's it's it's the player's 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: time to get better. I'm big on It's not about me. 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: It's about the guys. UH got like four or five 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: core guys that come in throughout the whole summer and 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of figure out different aspects of 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: the game to get better. And then you guys, since 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: being in New York, guys are being in out the 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: whole summer. I've built, like you know, with the Black Ops. 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Anytime someone comes in the city, they'll get a little 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: workout in, and that's that's different than like the core 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: guy workouts. Those are like, you know, just getting shots 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: and going about that. So it's kind of two different 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: things that I'm working on right now. So when you 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: have your core core guys, I saw you watching film 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: the other day on your I g like, what kind 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: of stuff do you do? And then how much you 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: know he tells you what he like, because I remember 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: one time, you know, I think Kobe was talking to 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: somebody and he says something like, I can't tell you 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: what you need to work on your Like you need 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: to know what you need to improve on how much 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: of that is you study and then also collaboring with 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: your work. So actually, Kobe on your Guys show, so 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: I was saying, how he's he's big on the player 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: needs to communicate with the trainer what he thinks needs 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: to work on, and you know it's the trainer's job 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: to figure that out. You know, I think it's it's 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: two ways. You know, you have a guy like Kobe 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: Bryant who he's so self aware of himself, but you 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: have like a nineteen two year old rookie. They don't 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: always know exactly what they need to work on. They 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: might want to just score twenty points a game instead 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: of understanding their role. And you know, so then that's 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of when I put my input in. But you know, 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: when I'm working with like a James or even like 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: a C. J or Mellow, you know, it's kind of 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: collective and they tell me, you know, I want to 50 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: work on this, I want to work on that, and 51 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: it's my job to go through the film and kind 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: of figure it out. What is black ops basketball? So 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: black Ops is song that me and Mellow started. So 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: I was actually got me and a lot of trouble 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: when I started. So I was, I was, I was 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: working with the Knicks at the time, and uh so 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell the story. I was working with the Knicks 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: at the time. We're in Puerto Rico. Mellows like, yo, 59 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: when we get back to New York, put together this run. 60 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, put together this run. It was 61 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: like Katie, it was a bunch of non Nick players, 62 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: and the media heard about it. And if you're coaching 63 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: for an NBA team, you can't be having other players 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: and you can't be conducting a workout with other players. 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: So that was the start of Black Ops. And then 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, me and Mellow we have a U team. 67 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: We we do the Black Ops runs and kind of 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: all the training is under Black Ops. That's kind of 69 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: what we call so the name some of for those 70 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: who aren't familiar, um name you know some of your 71 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: top guys that you've trained consistently or worked with over 72 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the years. Yes, and you know Mellow has been one. 73 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: J R. Kind of give me my start. That's my guy, man, 74 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I owe him everything. Uh you know c J. McCollum. 75 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: I work with Donovan from like eighth grade un till 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: till right now. So just watching that whole progression. Cole 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Anthony since a little kid. Uh, you know, I've I've 78 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: worked with Kauai for a few off seasons. That worked 79 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: with Dwell and Bead for a few off seasons. I've 80 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: worked with Katie for a few off seasons. James the 81 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: last three off seasons. It's been in a dope experience. 82 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: Who where have you looked up to? We had a 83 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: chance to have Phil Handy on a couple of shows ago. 84 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Who have you looked up to in this space? Who 85 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: are some of the people you kind of have helped 86 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: create your package. I played at Louisville so Rick Pettino, 87 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: and then when I was at the next Phil Jackson 88 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: when he got the job, he literally fired the entire 89 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: staff and kept me. I was like, oh ship that 90 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: like the day that that happened. I'm like, I'm being fired, 91 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: Like coach goes in would he he's fired, assistant fired, 92 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and I'm the last one in the list. I'm like, 93 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: call my dad. I'm like, just say, you know, I'm 94 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: about to get fired right now. I need to figure 95 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: something out going there. And uh it feels like I'm 96 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: just gonna ask you three questions. So I'm just like, 97 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: he's not paying attention to this. Asked me three questions. 98 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: I answered him right. So he said, is Steve Nashal athlete? 99 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Why or why not? I said, yeah, he is? He 100 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: said why? I said, well, for starters, he has that 101 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: you know that three minute he has the record in 102 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: that and I was like, he's really good at changing speeds. 103 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: I was like, being an athlete doesn't mean you need 104 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: to just be explosive. There's different types of being an athletes. 105 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: So he's like, Okay, give me all the characteristics of 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: a jumper, like all the type of jumping. So so 107 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, you could be a quick jumper, you could 108 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: be like a high flyer. You'd have a quick second jump. 109 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: You know. That was one of the questions he said, 110 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: when you should have jump shot? Should you go one, 111 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: two and two it? He should you hop into it? 112 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: I said, it doesn't really matter. It's like there's great 113 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: shoes that do both. And he's like all right. He's like, 114 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: meet me tomorrow. You're gonna run the pre draft and 115 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh ship, and uh be a long story short. 116 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: The next morning, he tried to teach me the triangle 117 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. I go into the pre draft workout. 118 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: It was a disaster. He's sitting there side. No. No, 119 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you just taught me this the whole 120 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: triangle in fifteen minutes. I'm trying to run this workout. 121 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: So Phil and Rippettino, they've kind of been my mentors 122 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: through this, and uh, I looked to them for because 123 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Field could be intimidating man walk into that office, that 124 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: dark office sometimes. But yeah, I got to the point 125 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: with you know, I comfortable with them. But in the beginning, 126 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: it was it was rough. So again, like I said, 127 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: how I found you in and started watching it and 128 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, I don't really know you, but 129 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: every time you accomplish something, I see you getting these 130 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: partnerships and deals. I'm like, crack congrass dopes. Let's talk 131 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: about what is it like. I mean, you have a 132 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: Puma partnership, you have a Hennessy partner partnership. Wilson, who's 133 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: going to be the new ball the NBA next year, 134 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: you have a partnership with them. I'm sure the list 135 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: goes on. That's all we can find, but talk to 136 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: us about what it's been like to be like, you know, 137 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: like you're a workout guy that has kind of taking 138 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: it to another level. You got an album, right, So yeah, 139 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: with the partnerships, that was never the goal. The goal 140 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: is always, you know. I was with the Knicks, I 141 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I've met so many players, do mellow. 142 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: I think I can leave the Knicks and start a business. 143 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: My whole family was so mad when I did that. 144 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: They're like, You're gonna have no health insurance. How are 145 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: you gonna get paid? And uh So I left the 146 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: Knicks and I struggled for a little bit but I grinded. 147 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I was never always like in my mind and I 148 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: was like something's gonna work. Like I was never big 149 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: on like hitting the players over the head with like 150 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: these big bills. I've never been that guy. And so 151 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, I just worked. I grinded, and Puma came 152 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: to me, and you know, I became the first sneak 153 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: trainer to get a sneaker deal, a real one, and 154 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: then like NBA two K had me as like the 155 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: first trainer in the game and it's not a body arm. 156 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: And then they just started kind of compounding and it's 157 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: been a blessing. Like I said, it hasn't always been 158 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the goal. But if I can make money through these 159 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: big cornership you know, big businesses as opposed to being 160 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: like mellow, I get this money from them that have 161 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: to take it from the players exactly. So it's it's 162 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: a big blessing and I'm kind of starting a blueprint 163 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: for like, you know, you can't make the NBA, maybe 164 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: you can look at me and say I could do 165 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: it like that. Well I think that that's a great 166 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: point too, because it was similar to Lebron and his 167 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: team situations, Like he had a team and all of 168 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: them played basketball, but all of them weren't going to 169 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: the league. So what what is your niche? You could 170 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: still be a part of the game by finding your 171 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: niche in it, and you're creating another life for guys 172 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: that have a passion and the love for working people out, 173 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: taking it to another level. Not so talk about the 174 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: album Man album. So that so how the album came 175 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: came across is so over the years. You know, as 176 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: you guys know, a lot of these NBA guys are 177 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: friends with the rappers, and so we work out a 178 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: lot of rappers. But it's it's not so, it's not 179 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: like that. It's like, this is how it works. I'm 180 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: working out James me came to watch the workout's done, 181 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Meek will shoot like ten shots, someone will recorded and 182 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: it's a workout. It's not real, right, So like I 183 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: get all this hate on social media like, oh, you're 184 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: just working out rappers. It's like no, if you actually 185 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: knew the story, I did a real workout or one 186 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: of the rappers came to the Black Ops run Quavo 187 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, let's shoot around and then it's a workout. 188 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: So it's not really workouts. The only time I've ever 189 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: so one winter, Travis Scott uh was like, can you 190 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: come on tour with me? Teach manage to the jump shots? 191 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: So I was like, actually, this canna be dope. I'll 192 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: go to all the NBA cities, be able to see 193 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: my players and then be part of you do get 194 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: to be with Travis. So that was like the only 195 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: like time I've ever like really, I guess you could 196 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: technically say I was like working out at a rapper, 197 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: but um so yeah. So the album, you know, um 198 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: big with the workouts, every workout I do. I asked 199 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: to play without me. You want to play, they give 200 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: me an album, will play it. So I was sticking 201 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: over covid. I'm sitting there courting COVID board and I'm like, 202 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: you know what I have. I know all these rappers. 203 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start album. So I reached out to 204 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: me and Travis, little Baby and Dirk and b Burn, uh, 205 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Chris Brown and it's gonna be a banger, and UH 206 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: reach out to all of them, and we're working on it. 207 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: Me and my manager are working on just getting the clearances. 208 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: That music industry is no joke. Because they look at me, 209 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: They're like you're a basketball trainer. So these guys in 210 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: these white ties, like, so I have all the songs. 211 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm just waiting on the clearances. But it'll be dope, 212 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: some DJ Kalett type ship. Just putting an all star 213 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: team together. Yeah, I had social media helped you build 214 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: a business brand in a career. It's helped me, you know. 215 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: But but at the same time, por to social media. 216 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: Prior to me being on social media grinding, I played, 217 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: uh straight out of college. I was a graduate assistant 218 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: that will miss, making like seven thousand dollars for the year, Um, 219 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: living in the locker room. Didn't even live in a crib. 220 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I didn't grow up with money. Um. 221 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: Then I took an assistant job after you did that 222 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: for like two years, and then j R. Kind of 223 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: changed my life by so the year he was six 224 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: Man of the Year, I was coaching a fairly Dickinson. 225 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: Every night we go in the gym, start working. He 226 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: had a great year. So he went to management, Like, 227 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, he really helped me out last year. So 228 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: I got an interview with him and I got got 229 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: the job. I was a director of player development for 230 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: four years. Cholott switch, like I said, I'll do anything 231 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: for him, and uh, you know I got my got 232 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: my feet wet in the NBA, you know, grinded that 233 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: out and then once I left the next I was 234 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of when I started using social media, and uh, 235 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: it's been good, you know it Also people get this, mister, 236 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: like when I posted these workout clips, that's like ten 237 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: seconds of the workout. You know, I'm not gonna post 238 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: the player like going super tired, missing shots, and I 239 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: hate when you read the comments like why don't you 240 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: post mrs? Why don't you It's like, wow, would I 241 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: post mrs? It wants to watch it, like you know, 242 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: it's but it's definitely helped, definitely helped it. It's it's 243 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: a gift in a curse at the same time, because 244 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, you signed these deals and you have to 245 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: announce them and then your family thinks that you're like 246 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: this ultra rich like you know, it's like it's good 247 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: and it's bad, but um, there's more positives with it. 248 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: So it's been a blessing. Talk about your upbringing in 249 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. I grew up Basketball is my life. Like 250 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: for example, in nineties six, I was ten years old, 251 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: and I watched the mcdohn's American game. I'm never forgetting 252 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: uh yeah, twenty one points. You know, so I'm basketball 253 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: not but if you really look at it. Crazy thing 254 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: was is so after I watched that Kobe and I 255 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh I watched I I watched that game. 256 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: I go, you were the high scorer you sco for 257 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: that game. But thank you, Matt. You know it' always 258 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: gives me love. But m yeah, what was the question. Uh, 259 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: you're you're upbringing the New Hampshire. Yeah, New Hampshire. Man, 260 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. There's not much in the Hampshire. People go skiing, 261 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: people are this woods. There's really nothing going on. So 262 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: I just my entire life was basketball, and you know, 263 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: got got a Division one scholarship and I kind of 264 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: got me out of New Hampshire and I haven't been 265 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: back since. When did you find a game of basketball? 266 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: What age? Uh? Ten? A ten? I started taking it 267 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: serious when I was like doing dribbling Joel's every day. 268 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: Someone told me to take a jump ropen to a 269 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: thousand jump rops a day. So by the time I 270 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: was like a junior, I was top one hundred in 271 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: the country. Uh, you know, my game felt really good. Um, 272 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm literally my whole I was. I was 273 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: that guy that like I was like, no, I'm not 274 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: having a girlfriend. Now I'm not drinking. I'm out Like 275 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: it was just basketball and uh yeah, those are the days. 276 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Watching your McDonald's game got a motivated jack some killers 277 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: who you know coming up? Who were some of the 278 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: teams and players you watched it? Admired Allen Iverson for sure, 279 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: just I feel like, you know, on the court. And 280 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: he started so many trends off the court. He's a 281 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: real legend. Like people have tattoos because of him, but 282 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: people with arms because of him, and people dressed. Yeah, 283 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: he started so many trends. I loved him. Jay Will 284 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, the white one, Jason, I 285 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: was like, my guy. I honestly didn't think he was 286 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: talking about the other j Yeah, I was the other Jake. 287 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: Will was nicest, fun bro. I don't see how you 288 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: don't understand that it was. You may not like the character. 289 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: He had games Lady against him in college killer. How 290 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: did he play in the league? He got the motorcycle accident? 291 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: How long did you play? He was good? But we say, 292 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: Jay Will, you do not think Jay Will from Duke. 293 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you think about white chocolate lot there. Okay, yeah, 294 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: and you you know who actually someone I would love 295 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: this B D. Baron Davis was like, I just loved 296 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: his game. Um, you guys play with him? Do you 297 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: know him? Yeah, I've met him a few times. He's 298 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: reached out, he's the most and now he's doing you 299 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: know one time it's some weird Yeah, yeah, he's he's 300 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: he's doing a lot. He's a good guys. Brother, it's 301 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,119 Speaker 1: a good guy man. So so you briefly, um discussed 302 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: kind of your but but talk to us about your 303 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: path from playing to assistant coach to that kind of 304 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: continuing to evolve. Said you went to Louisville, I did 305 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: who what this one? Other schools were recruiting you. So 306 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: coming out I had, you know, I had West Virginia 307 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: offered me, Rutgers offered me, Gonzizaga offered me, Central Florida, 308 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: South Florida, big schools. Yeah, it was what made Louisville 309 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: just you know, think Coach Patino after bat was like, listen, 310 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: if you're loyal to me, if you're loyal to me 311 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: while you're here, then I'm gonna be loyal to you 312 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And I was like, 313 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: I just dope because I knew, you know, I'm a realist, Like, 314 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: chances are I might not make the NBA. But if 315 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: you're telling me that, you and yeah, and he's made 316 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: so many calls. So to answer your question, you know, 317 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: he got me that graduate assistant spott at all miss 318 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: He helped me become the youngest Division one assistant coach 319 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: in the country. You know, he helped me once Jr. 320 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: Kind of helped me with the next He made the 321 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: call to Allen Houston at the time and help me 322 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: get that job. So I, oh, coach p everything. How 323 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: did the Knixt opportunity to help you grow? And what 324 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: kind of relationship did you have? My next years were crazy. 325 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: I went through so many different coaches. What years. So 326 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: I was there from uh two thousand, thirteen fourteen, and 327 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: I was there for four seasons. So when I first 328 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: got there, when he was the coach, Grunwald was the GM. 329 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: Then Grunwald left, Steve Mills came in, then they hired 330 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: Derek Fisher. That was probably my worst nicky years. He 331 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't uh like I mean, Mellow had a 332 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: relationship that was kind of weird anyways, so he left 333 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: and then um, Jeff Hornessy was there. Hey, we forgot 334 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: about Jeff Hornessy was there, and uh so that those 335 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: are the three coaches. So when I have cool stories 336 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: when I first got there, me and Mellow were there. 337 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: When I left, the only two people in the organization 338 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: were still Mellow. So it was a good time though, 339 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: h you mentioned earlier the black the first Black Ops 340 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: run got you in a little bit of hot water. 341 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: When did you know, Okay, I think I'm ready to 342 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: make this jump. You say you struggle a little bit 343 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: once you made the jump, But what was our turning 344 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: or pivotal moments, like it's time to go being an 345 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: NBA development coach, especially you know with the Knicks. The 346 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: Knicks is an amazing organization, but you guys, know, you 347 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: guys are Hooper's like you know they're they were big 348 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: on Like all right, the workout was done. I want 349 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: to see every number he shot and if he shot 350 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: six out of tend this day in this workout, he's 351 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: not getting better and like it was like no, like 352 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: you can still get better if you have like a 353 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: bad shooting with Drill. You know, it was so it 354 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: was like I was just yeah, you know, I get 355 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: you could say that. So I just wanted to kinda 356 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: do my own thing. And it wasn't even a guarantee. Literally, 357 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, I could have gone all the way bad 358 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: and I could have ended up back in the Hampshire. 359 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: But I just trusted, you know, the people I met 360 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: through Mellow and that's a good decision. What was the 361 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: member turning point moment? But you have to go on 362 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: off on your own. I was like broke, broke, like 363 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: you know, uh bad, like bad. All my credit cards 364 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: and max Style kept getting evicted. It was rough times. 365 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: And you know I signed with this guy back there. 366 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: I signed with him, and you know I got the 367 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Puma Deale like became you know, the first person in 368 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: two K signed with stock X you know sound Body Armor, 369 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Uh signed with you know, I kept getting these deals 370 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: there a Body, So he's changed my life and that's 371 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: so I guess that was a turn point. That's really dope. 372 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: What's been like building relationships with these you know, you're 373 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: working out some of the greatest players to ever play 374 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: the game. What is it like developing obviously a working relationship. 375 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: But then you're cool with a lot of I see 376 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: you with a lot of these dudes, you know outside 377 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: of the court as well. What's that experienced been life? 378 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: It's been cool, you know. I've always been big on 379 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: just being myself. Like, at the end of the day, 380 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: if if you don't like me for who I am, 381 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: and we we don't need to do the relationship. And 382 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: and and that's I'm not gonna say any names, but 383 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: there's been some like NBA stars that they you know, 384 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: if you if you're not gonna treat me like a 385 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: human being, you're not gonna. I don't need to do this, 386 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm only gonna do it if it feels right, 387 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: if we click. So I'm big with the relationships. You know, 388 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: to me, player development. If you don't know what the 389 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: players motivated by good luck can get them, so you 390 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: need that relationship. Respect got to be mutual. Yeah. I 391 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: have a question though, before we go to the next thing, 392 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: since we're on the black ops, I mean you those 393 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: are some of the most you know, your runs and 394 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: then our homeboard Rico Hines runs too. Yeah, those are 395 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: like the two Yeah, those are like the two main runs. Um, 396 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: in the off season. Can you recall some some days 397 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: that some guys just just memorable days, They just absolutely 398 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: destroyed everybody on the court. The most memorable one to 399 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: me was Devin Booker. They just destroyed one time. One 400 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: time they had Russ for CP, they were going at it. 401 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: There's been some some legendary moments in that gym. But 402 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: what people don't understand, like unless you've really been around 403 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: those runs and you're only getting glimpses when you see 404 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: your runs, those runs are really than games, way really 405 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: than games because there's not as many pussy ass foul 406 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: called Like motherfucker's are really taking that ship on one 407 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: on one because it's personal. It's not about I mean, 408 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: obviously it's a pickup team, so it's not your team. 409 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: So motherfucker's are really going. And they have to also 410 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: have to understand, like guys have a role in the league. 411 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: So you may think someone just does this in the game, 412 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: but let them be free and they know that they 413 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: could just go. It's a whole other story. And you 414 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: know that the help defense isn't the greatest. So that 415 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: means if you can't guard, if you can't guard, you man, 416 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: yeah you're gonna be embarrassed for the whole day. And 417 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: like Russell Westbrook was one guy that he gives no 418 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: fox like, it doesn't matter who is in front of him. 419 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: Every time he's been to a Black Ops he's gonna 420 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: destroy you. He's not gonna talk to you. He's gonna 421 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: be talking ship like and you know, I love I 422 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: love that Russell Black Ops energy. It's uh, it's fun. 423 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: It's definitely like people don't understand like j R. Smith 424 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: is one of the best pickup basketball players in the history, 425 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: in the history of pickup basketball. Does everything. Yeah, yeah, 426 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: shoots the three, does everything. Yeah, well that's dope. And 427 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: it's not a shot he can't make on the court. 428 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: Fade in the way either, shoulder fade don't matter. Playing 429 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: the picture for me though, a typical pack then y 430 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: C Day Black Ops gym. What is looking like? Like 431 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: pain said the same for us man who's watching, who's playing? 432 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: You know the black Ops the games have become so 433 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: that's kind of like the mini garden, Like if you 434 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: go there, if you guys are to come tomorrow, you 435 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: know there's gonna be you know, Faboys is gonna be 436 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: there and eight book he's gonna be there and you 437 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: know it's uh some actors sleeaning Gomez, it showed up 438 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: like it's kind of like if you're in town the 439 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: Black Ops. It's cool. It's cool that that that it's 440 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: like built that it's kind of like the Garden vibe 441 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: but with pickups. So you know that. But normally I'll 442 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: do workout, so I'll have like three or four workouts. 443 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: I do a Black Ops run and I'll do like 444 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: three or four workouts after that. These days are a grind. 445 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you making time. That was the first thing 446 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: when I hit him up because I just hit him 447 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: at racing. I was like, Bro, you want to pull 448 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: up on the show. He's like, yeah, you need to 449 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: come to the Black Ops though, Like what I was like, 450 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: what do you want to be on the show. He's 451 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: like yeah, But you know, well, we would appreciate because, 452 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: like I said, I know what the mother of them 453 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: runs are real, Like I'll go up in Rico sometimes 454 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: and check his runs out of these runs are like 455 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: to me, they're really than games because like I said, 456 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: it's really man on man pride, Like you don't want 457 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: to let if the world know there this dude just 458 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: busted your ass all day because everyone's going now. Yeah, 459 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: and like you said, it ain't that refre that and 460 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: ditate the game. Yeah, you continue to climb up the ladder. 461 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: What was it like partner of with ESPN Plus with 462 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: your series or it was a little uneasy because you know, 463 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: I had a rough childhood. You know, my mom commits suicide. Uh, 464 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: you had a bunch of things, and so when you 465 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: do when you do these shows, they like, you know, 466 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: people like drama, so they wanted to, like, you know, 467 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: how to go to my mom's grave and that. So 468 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: it was a little uncomfortable. I know, the next time 469 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: and whether we do season two or whatever we do, 470 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: it will be smoother. But just starting just to understand 471 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: that everyone's gonna watch you while you're at your most 472 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: like vulnerable moments, sitting are your mom's grave, stuff like that. 473 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: It was a learning experience. It was fun though we 474 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: want a webby or up for a web before it, 475 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: so it was cool. Uh, talk to me about Kevin 476 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: Porter Jr. He was someone you worked with, didn't get 477 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: off to a good start. But this kid is so 478 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: fucking talented man, so talented. He's a he's a beast 479 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: and everyone that sees it, like James is like, you know, 480 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: we need to like make sure we worked together this summer. 481 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: He's just he's uh, he's a he's a hooper, he 482 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: has handle, he can shoot, he can he can he's 483 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: he's athletic jo He's made a few mistakes and you 484 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: know that's kind of calls him. At the end of 485 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: the day. I like him at Houston better than I 486 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: like him at Cleveland, so I think he has a 487 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: super bright future. I like him. How did the opportunity 488 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: NBA two K come about me that that kind of 489 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: like changed my life from a sense of like I'll 490 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: go to the airport and people will be like, yo, yeah, 491 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: you Chris really from two K. Like a lot of 492 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: little kids just know me from Chris Realley from two 493 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: K might not even know him a trainer in real life. 494 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: It's crazy. So you have the whole world playing a 495 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: video game as my tattoos and my drills, and it's, uh, 496 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: it's amazing. I talked to Ronnie two K at Quevo 497 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: celebrity game. We need to put all the smoke on 498 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: two K. We made that happen, Alex, do you get 499 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: that ship done. I'm gonnahire you too. Goddamn it, we 500 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: can made that happen. But no, I think that would 501 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: be dope. And I saw that you like, my boys 502 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: knew about that because I was just like, they're like, Dad, 503 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: do you know him. I'm like, really, I've been to him. 504 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: He's like, well, you need to take us to New 505 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: York and workout. I was like, okay, that's what I 506 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: need to do. Right. So, up to this point, it's 507 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: been incredible. I'm sure the best is yet to come. 508 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: But what would you say you're most proud of? My 509 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: dad was a postal worker. You worked for the USPS 510 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: like a mailman my whole childhood. And so I struggled 511 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: really all my twenties and up until like three years ago, 512 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: I finally started like making real money. Um, just so 513 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to started making real money. It took to 514 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: I went home, went to his work, surprised him and said, 515 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: yoll retire. You can retire. I got you. That's the 516 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: best feeling. Ever. That's the most problem with alright, coming 517 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: to the end right here, quick, hitter's first thing to 518 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: come to mind. Top five, This is gonna be tough. 519 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: Most skilled players you've worked with. I gotta go with Mellow. 520 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: I gotta go with James, I gotta go with Kauai. 521 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: I gotta go with Katie. This is tough, skilled, skilled, 522 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go with RUSSI all Hall of Famers, 523 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: all time favorite, starting by this is just anybody, Mellow, 524 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: We're just talking about this. This is tough. Going with 525 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: Pistol Pete at the one, Ai at the two, Mellow 526 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: with the three, Lebron at the four. I'm going with 527 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm from New England's I'm going with Bill Russell at 528 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: the five. Five artists. Very interesting. I don't know that 529 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: that's not the political correct way that's good in top 530 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: five artists in the game, man, I gotta go with 531 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: everyone that's showing love on the album, so a little Baby. 532 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: I gotta go with Dirk, that's my guy. I gotta 533 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: go with Meek. I gotta go with Travis, and I 534 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: gotta go with a Bogie. Three songs always on the 535 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: Black House playlist. You know what. This is a weird one, 536 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: but it's always on there. Jane Biggie Brooklyn's Finest Some 537 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: reason guys love that song. Two other ones that's always 538 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: on there. I would have to go with h dreams 539 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: and nightmares, Meek the intros that's always on there, and 540 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: I would have to go with you know alright, p Nipsey, 541 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: But you know there's always something Nipsey there, great music 542 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: to work out to. I have fitting just find there 543 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: if you're playing some nip um one message on the 544 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: billboard for the world to see. Don't let people tell 545 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: you how you should live your life. Simple, let people 546 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: tell you all you should live like. That's dope. It's simple, 547 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: just that simple. Though, who do you want to say 548 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: on all the smoke? Before you answer, you got to 549 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: help us with your answer. Get on the show. Okay, 550 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: this could be any anybody, anybody. Okay, you gotta get 551 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: with Dirk and Baby because they just came on that 552 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: the joint out pect. I know Baby, but I don't 553 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: I know Dirk, but I don't know I can help 554 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, we need both of them. Are well, 555 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: Chris Man. We want to thank you. We appreciate you. 556 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: Like I said, I've been a big fan. I love 557 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: your evolution. I learned more about your story today. But 558 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: like I said, without realizing, you're setting the blueprint for 559 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: who's next. You know what I mean? And that was 560 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: something that that Jack like when we just jumped in, 561 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: like we just jumped in this ship because we love it. 562 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: You do what you're doing, but we're setting the blueprint 563 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: as well in this space. So man, we always want 564 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: to give people their flowers and show our appreciation fresh 565 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: from the workout, fresh off of workout and working out 566 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: mellow appreciate. And so for me, man, both of you 567 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: guys are literally legends to me. Like, you know, you're 568 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: a second round pick. Bro, you're averaging eighteen, you have 569 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: a ring you you know, like you you guys both 570 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: have these amazing careers. I feel like when you guys 571 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: started this podcast, people did be like, oh, we'll see 572 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: how it is. You guys have the best athletes in 573 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: the world. Like, you guys are doing it big, and 574 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tough to be a player and 575 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: then leave and then do something big as host. It's tough, 576 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: and you guys are time. So that's a wrap. C 577 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: B C. You catch us our Showtime Basketball YouTube and 578 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: the I Heart platform Black Effects. You know next week 579 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: this is all a smoke a production of the Black 580 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime