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Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers.

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Speaker 2: Making the American Farm Strong Again.

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Speaker 3: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now.

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Speaker 1: I covered a lot of ground this morning for breakfast

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Speaker 1: in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a hallmark town if

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Speaker 1: there's ever been a town. And I was with Secretary

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Speaker 1: of the Interior Doug Bergham, formerly the governor of North Dakota.

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Speaker 1: And you've got governor secretary. You've got so many different

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Speaker 1: titles now, but we talked about a wide range of issues.

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Speaker 1: But I want to start with this because I remember

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Speaker 1: the first time we had you on was right after

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Speaker 1: you injured yourself playing basketball during the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: presidential election cycle. You've now recovered from that, but you

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Speaker 1: told me that back in nineteen ninety eight you got

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Speaker 1: to participate in Michael Jordan's basketball camp. That had to

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Speaker 1: be an unbelievable opportunity. I want our audience to hear

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Speaker 1: what that might have been like.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Clay, great to have breakfast with

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Speaker 4: you Pucketts in your hometown. Fantastic rival any of the

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Speaker 4: great breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in

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Speaker 4: a life experience. To go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.

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Speaker 4: People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part

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Speaker 4: of the way he ran that it was eighty people

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Speaker 4: over age thirty five, and you come and they have

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Speaker 4: eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.

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Speaker 4: My coaches were John Thompson and Dean Smith, my buddy

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Speaker 4: from North Dkota that came to the camp with me.

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Speaker 4: He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing

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Speaker 4: for national championship coaches. I mean, there was one instance

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Speaker 4: We're in a Cloak game and I got Dean Smith

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Speaker 4: and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,

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Speaker 4: not even paying attention to us guys out there on

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Speaker 4: the floor. We're playing Coach K and I was point

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Speaker 4: guard all the time out and the coach was a

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Speaker 4: little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now?

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Speaker 4: And I said no.

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Speaker 3: He said, do you like getting yelled at?

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Speaker 4: I said, well, I think it could help. We're down

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Speaker 4: three in a close game, and this is the only

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Speaker 4: chance I'm ever going to say I was able to

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Speaker 4: play in a team that beat Coach K. But what

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Speaker 4: an experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, Doug it's buck. I didn't get to have breakfast

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Speaker 2: with you, but maybe you'll come down to mind me

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Speaker 2: beach some time. We can go get some savice or something.

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Speaker 2: And I want to ask you about your portfolio as

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Speaker 2: Interior Secretary, which doesn't get as much I think attention

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Speaker 2: to the news as some of the other major agencies

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Speaker 2: at the federal government. But it is a vast, a

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Speaker 2: vast entity, veast organization with a lot of really important responsibilities.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people think of national parks, but you've

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Speaker 2: also got mining rights. I mean, you got a whole

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Speaker 2: range of things, and we don't have time to go

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Speaker 2: over all of it, obviously. I want you to tell

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Speaker 2: me what are your top priorities right now? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know you're working with Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler

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Speaker 2: I went to school together in New York little kids

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Speaker 2: a long time ago, so I haven't seen him in

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Speaker 2: a while. But he's a doge guy. So there's a

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Speaker 2: cleaning up an efficiency part of this, there's a mining

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's as simple as this. I mean, we're

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Speaker 4: supporting President Trump's agenda to bring peace abroad, which is,

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Speaker 4: you know, end the wars against us and around the

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Speaker 4: world that are be funding. They're all being funded, whether

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Speaker 4: it's twenty four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or

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Speaker 4: the conflicts in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales.

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Speaker 4: You know, we need to be in a position with

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Speaker 4: so they're doing have to buy it from our adversaries

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Speaker 3: Of a war.

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Speaker 4: But when we do that, we also are bringing prosperity

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Speaker 4: at home because energy is not just an industry. Energy

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Speaker 4: is the industry that supports every other. There's a component

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Speaker 4: We bring prosperity at home. And then you say, well,

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Speaker 4: balance sheet of the United States of America, a lot

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Speaker 4: of that in interior. Five hundred million acres of service land,

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Speaker 4: If Interior was a standalone company, it would have the

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Speaker 4: Oh this United States, woe was us. We got thirty

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Speaker 4: six and a half trillion dollars in debt, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: we've got to stop spending more each fiscal year than

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Speaker 4: asset side of the balance sheet could be triple what

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Speaker 4: whether there's oil or gas or coal. Now we find

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Speaker 4: on all the core principles of President Trump's agenda.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One

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Speaker 1: thing that I think is so incredibly important and some

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Speaker 1: people get it, but others do not, and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of

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Speaker 1: these climate change zealots have bought into a process by

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Speaker 4: It was a fantastic summary. And again this yeah, like

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Speaker 4: most recently the bike climate extremism. You know, they claimed

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Speaker 4: to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And when

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Speaker 4: if you cared about the environment, you would insist that

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Speaker 4: you get these bizarre things where hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: the absurdities and essentially the lie around that somehow stopping

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Speaker 4: It's all false. And then it raises the price. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's

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Speaker 4: going to help us win the AI arms race against China.

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Speaker 4: It's what's going to help you know, people pay their

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Speaker 4: we're we're in a battle of common sense here, and

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and mister Secretary.

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Speaker 2: Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,

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Speaker 4: Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of

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Speaker 4: addition to drill baby drill, with President Trump, we've got

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Speaker 4: course China has exploited that they now control, as I

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Speaker 4: And so we've got to get ourselves back in this game,

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Speaker 4: that is you know, again coal. We need coal for

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Speaker 4: two reasons. We needed for producing electricity we also needed.

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Speaker 4: There's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare

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Speaker 4: which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,

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Speaker 4: President Trump put ten on there last week. There's dozens

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Speaker 1: How much of this is just a big structural issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where very well stated. And so for those

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Speaker 3: Well to the second question, which relates to the first.

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Speaker 1: Think we lost it there for a second, broke up.

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Speaker 1: See if we can get him back here sec to

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Speaker 1: finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating

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Speaker 1: around out there, Buck is all these books coming out.

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Speaker 1: I wonder on some level whether the Breillo Garcia conversation

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Speaker 1: and everything else is a desperate attempt to keep people

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Speaker 1: from looking at all of these stories that come out.

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Speaker 1: I understand it's in the past, but it's such a

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Speaker 1: miscalculation to me to focus on a Breio Garcia as

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Speaker 1: the front facing element of the Trump deportation policies that

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Speaker 1: I just find it almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could

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Speaker 1: be as calculated of a decision as it appears to

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Speaker 1: be that you could decide, Hey, this is the ground

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Speaker 1: upon which we want to fight, and I think we've

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Speaker 1: got Congressman Chip Roy back with us right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry about that, Clay. All I would saying was

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Speaker 3: IDW's resolution calling on the vice president to carry out

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Speaker 3: the twenty fifth Amendment, right, And why I did that

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Speaker 3: was because it was very I wanted to call the question,

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Speaker 3: because it was important that the question get called. But

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Speaker 3: to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the core basis,

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Speaker 3: which by the way, relates to the border issue and immigration.

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Speaker 3: They don't care. It's all about political power. It is

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Speaker 3: literally all about political power. And I wish I didn't

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Speaker 3: have to say that, right, I mean, it oughtn't be

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Speaker 3: that way. I are to be able to sit down with

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Speaker 3: some of my Democrat colleagues and figure out issues that

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Speaker 3: are important for our people. But right now it is

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Speaker 3: animus towards Trump and it is about opening the floodgates

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Speaker 3: to people to try to build a political base for

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Speaker 3: themselves for power, and that's it. That is driving everything

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Speaker 3: they are doing. It's about political power.

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Speaker 2: Congress and Roy appreciate you being with us, Surah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys,