WEBVTT - The Ring with Joseph Fink 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:13.080 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best start 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:20.480 changing it with the beck Del casts. Spring bring Hello, Hi, Jamie, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:26.280 it's me the Ring. What watch out? You've got seven 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.160 days before I come and get you? Okay, So it's 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.599 a timed thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the stakes are 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.400 so high, be on high alert. I'll be on highlert 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:37.839 for I'm about to have the worst week in my 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.040 fucking life. You know what would be really bad? What 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.960 you know? The only way this week could get worse. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.720 If I've watched a horse kill itself on a boat, Well, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:52.440 it's gonna happen. So ship the spoilers click. Fine, I 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.720 think that went well. I think that went Oh yeahs. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.680 Seven Days to Live is one of the most um 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.960 the best, easiest, most iconic. I never get tired of it. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.480 Jokes available. Every time I see my dog's bottom teeth, 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.360 I'm like, there it is seven days. Just anytime I 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.039 see something that makes me a little uncomfortable, it's seven 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.080 days each and every time. I love it. Welcome to 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.240 the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.440 is Caitlin Darante, and this is our show where we 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:25.800 examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechtel 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.480 test simply as a jumping off point to inspire a 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.640 larger conversation. But Jamie, what about little girls crawling out 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:39.920 of TV feminist icon? Samara? Samara? Yea, you joke? But 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:45.440 I'm serious? So am I there? Well? Can I tell 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.800 you what the Bechtel test is? Is that? Love? That? Okay? 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.120 Not to um explain things to you, but well, I 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.480 am the Ring. You are at the Ring. I can't 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.880 believe I'm spending precious time of my last seven days 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.800 explaining what the Bechtel test is for the five thousandth 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.720 time two people who know, maybe this is someone's first 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.440 episode that Oh my gosh, that would be this would 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:10.680 be I think I feel like this would be a 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.480 really fun point of entry for serious discourse. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.320 So what's the Bechtel test? Though? Okay? Alright? Um? The 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:23.680 Betel Test is a media metric created by Quirk cartoonist 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.200 Alice and Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test. Originally 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.079 created as a goof for comic strip that she made 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.920 called Dikes to Watch out For has since become an 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.560 actual media metric that people use and talk about all 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.080 the time, such as the versions of this thing and 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.920 shuch As and we named it the whole show after it, 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.600 and we do that and sometimes people who are like 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.639 lying about listening to the show, they're like, wow, I 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.480 can't believe you talk about that for a whole hour, 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.840 and it's like, well, we don't. Um, we talked about 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.320 it for seven days. Gosh, it for seven whole days, 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.760 and then we explode. Our version of the test requires 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.560 that there be two characters of a marginalized gender with 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.600 names who speak to each other about something other than 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.880 a man for two lines of dialogue, and it should 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:15.520 be some sort of narratively impactful exchange such as ring 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.760 rings seven days click that I would say would count. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.840 And then the other person says oh, no, oh, ship, yeah, 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.840 or whatever it is that Amber Tamblen says, uh, oh, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.840 my gosh, that is Amber tamble In. How did I 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.920 not piece that together? Oh my gosh. There's so many 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.600 two thousand two treats. It's a tracutary board of our 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:41.160 our generation's luminaries. All right, um so I think that 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:46.680 that covers our housekeeping. We have an incredible episode today, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.840 a movie we've referenced many times because due to seven 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:54.840 days being timeless reference. But today we're talking about The 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.960 Ring gor Verbinski Style two thousand two, starring Naomi Wah 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.520 and a horse and the girl who is the voice 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.480 of Lelo and Lelo and Stitch. And we have an 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:11.400 incredible guest. I did not look at the IMDb. Oh, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.240 the facts are fun and there's more to come. But 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.360 we have an incredible guest, We really do. He is 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.919 an author and the creator of Welcome to night Vale. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.799 It's Joseph Fink. Hi, thanks for having me, Welcome, Welcome. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.400 It wasn't until this watch that I realized the title 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.080 of the movie is a pun ring ring ring, ring ring. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.800 That is, I guess, I don't know what is the 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.480 other well, I guess the ring on the poster is 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.839 the ring of you being trapped in a well. Yeah, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:40.800 before you die, you see the ring. That's that's the 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.240 only version I had understood. And it wasn't until I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.240 was reading I AMDB Trivia that whoever wrote that IMDb 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.120 trivia was like by the way. Also, this movie is deep. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.400 You're like, I actually did need that. It turns out, look, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.920 this movie is deep. There's so many layers and and 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.600 and deep like a l now that okay, now I'm 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.560 thinking harder than ever. I love this movie so much. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.520 And uh, Joseph, I am very excited to hear more 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.520 about your history with this movie because you requested this 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.839 movie specifically. Yeah, a huge mistake on my part because 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.039 it meant having to watch it again and now now 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.960 you're on thin fucking ice for the next seven days. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:27.240 Best of, Like, this movie was so deeply traumatizing for 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.080 me as a teenager, Like it genuinely made my life 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.480 worse for like a couple of years after watching it. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.640 Just I think it was thinking back, I think a 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.840 lot of it is it's the first actual horror movie 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.920 I'd ever seen. I think that's probably true for a 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.800 number of people my age, Like, I don't know, it's 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.640 just it wasn't really marketed the way most horror movies 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.400 were marketed before then, Like it was just sort of 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.040 a I went and saw it on a date because 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.159 it was what was in the movie theater kind of thing, 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.279 and then it was just straight up like scary, and 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.839 I had never really watched a straight up scary movie before, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.560 and I didn't sleepwell for quite a while afterwards. How 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.960 did the date go? It was like a long term girlfriend. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.440 It went five. Wait, you didn't start watching horror movies 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.240 until you were of like dating age. I mean I 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:19.239 was like fifteen, maybe fourteen fifteen somewhere, and they're doing 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.880 the math. Um. Yeah, I mean I watched like my 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.760 mom was very into like nineteen fifties movies, so most 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.600 of my childhood I watched. I watched like the original 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.760 Invasions of the Body Snatchers. I watched like a lot 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:37.000 of the alien movies of like It Conquered the World, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.239 It Invaded the World. There was there was a number 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.080 that had very similar titles, but I had real strong 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.680 opinions about which we're better. Yeah. It's funny because now 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.400 watching this again, I think if I had encountered it 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.400 for the first time now, I wouldn't have thought much 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.520 about it because now, like of what I watched as 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.880 horror movies, it's kind of the only kind of movie 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.360 I watch anymore. But I as a at the time, 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.160 I had never seen a movie. Um just be so 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.000 mean to me before. Yeah, this movie is punishing. This 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.040 movie does feel like it's hitting you. I feel like, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.560 given your body of work growing up watching fifties alien movies, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.800 um it tracks. It makes sense to me. I was 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.760 barely allowed to watch TV and then yeah, when I was, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:26.360 it was almost always movies from the fifties. Jamie, what's 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:31.760 your history relationship with the Ring? I feel like maybe 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.920 I've told the story on the podcast before. I definitely 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.120 told you, Caitlin, this movie ruined my entire life. Uh 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.360 when when I thought this was like definitely the first. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.800 Like I think I'd seen like spooky movies, but I 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.520 hadn't seen a scary movie. I didn't see this in theaters. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.280 I would have seen it shortly this movie came. It 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.440 was in like third grades, third or fourth grade, I 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.280 think like third grade, and we we rented a copy 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.840 of it. My older cousin, Tammy, rented a copy of this. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:06.720 She and my aunt and uncle like live in this old, crusty, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.840 terrifying house in Brockton, Massachusetts that is like over three 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.000 years old. A ton of people have died at the house. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.680 There's all these scary stories about the house. In her 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.520 childhood bedroom and like as an adults, like that can't 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.360 be true. And then I checked with my aunt. She's like, no, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.800 that's true. There was like a woman who was like 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.040 blocked in the closet and then she tried to get out, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.080 but she couldn't and she died. And that happened in 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.480 some time in the nineteenth century. And just like all 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.600 these scary things happened at the house, I was afraid 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.600 of the house, sleeping over. I didn't love it. My 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:43.319 cousin loved living in a haunted house and wanted to 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:48.360 scare me. And so we watched this tape and it 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.440 was the I think it was the only Did you 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.120 watch it on VHS? The ring? Yes, yes, we would 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:59.240 have rented this from the nearby blockbuster on VHS, which 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.360 makes me feel nice thousand years old. It was so scary. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.160 It was the scariest movie I'd ever seen. I was 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.240 crying during the movie. I was begging her to tart 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.679 it off, and she was like just loving every second 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.079 of it. We finished the movie. It's late at night. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:21.000 I'm still crying, and then I think Tammy is like, oh, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.480 this is actually a bad situation for me. Now I'm 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.359 no longer having fun. So then we watched another VHS 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.520 which would have been I remember very clearly, She's like, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.960 I know what to do for a palate cleanser. And 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.200 then we watched My Big Fat Greek Wedding, another two 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.280 thousand two classic, because she was like, you'll feel better 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.000 if we watched My Big Fat Greek Wedding. But unfortunately 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.120 it didn't work. And um, she still makes fun of 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.000 me because I called my dad at like and I 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.600 was like, you need to come get me. I have 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:53.079 seven days to live and I need to I need 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:58.560 to be with my family. UM. Traumatizing movie that I've 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.560 returned too many times over the year. But I haven't 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.560 seen this movie and it does make me uncomfortable to 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:10.080 watch still. But this time, preparing for this episode and 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.680 also watching I didn't watch the entire original Ring Goo, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.280 but I watched specific scenes and I wanted to know 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.360 what the differences were between the two movies. But watching 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.200 at this time, I was like, oh, I guess I 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.480 was just ten years old when I watched this. I 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:28.120 guess It's like I didn't be myself and I slept fine, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.679 glad to hear it. So in that way, being a 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.000 grown up rocks all right. What's your history with this movie? 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.839 So I was. I saw it for the first time 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.199 when I was a sophomore in college, which would have 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.800 been two thousand five. Friend of the cast, my best 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.680 friend j T was like, you haven't seen the Ring. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.400 You gotta see the Ring, And so we watched it 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.040 in his apartment because we would do this thing where 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:56.400 we would watch scary movies together and then both get 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.080 really freaked out and then I would have to like 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.440 stay with his apartment, sleep in bed with him for 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.560 like a week because we were both like, oh no, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.880 the hills have eyes are going to get us. The 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.439 Ring is out to get you know, so that hill 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.679 is a little too silent for my liking exactly, So 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.560 we did that with the Ring. He knew what was coming, 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.160 so he played a little prank on me where after 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.880 the movie was over, I was like, I feel horrible, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.319 I'm scared, but also I have to go to the bathroom. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.320 And then when I came back from the bathroom, he 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 had shut all the lights off in the room and 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.640 then turned the TV on to like static, so it 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.520 was just like static on the TV. And then he disappeared, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.320 like I didn't know where he was turns out he 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.400 was hiding in the closet and then he came out 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.560 and scared me. But it was so freaky, and I 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.520 was like, oh my gosh, I saw the movie The 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.680 Ring and now I only have seven days to live, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:51.319 and and then I it's so effective. Is there anyone 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.679 who's seen this movie who does not have a like 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.280 trauma traumatory? It truly is like a trauma and dishing movie. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.559 We should Yeah, we should just like open a hotline 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.679 for people to call in and say what happened when 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.160 they watched The Rings. But then people will call us 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.720 and the phone will go bring Ring and then we'll 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.080 only have seven days to live again. Tomorrow we'll call yeah. Um. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.600 So I was like, I never need to see this 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.400 movie again. I'm there's no reason for me to watch it. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.240 So I went another I don't know whatever seventeen years 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.800 without seeing it, and then here we are talking about it. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.120 So I had to watch it again. I watched a 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.960 couple of nights ago. As soon as I finished watching it, 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.800 a fly started buzzing around my apartment. Okay, so the 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.640 fly from the VHS tape found its way into my apartment. Also, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:44.640 my doors started making creepy, like creepy, creaky sounds like 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.880 my apartment was just like being all weird and the 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:52.360 fly was buzzing around and now I'm gonna die soon. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.800 You're you only have a couple of days, but it's 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.199 a good thing that you're done. Um. Spending up podcast 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:03.199 days a wonderful way to spend my time. And normally 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.880 I watch a movie twice to prep for an episode, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.200 but I could only stomach this movie once. And I 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.400 was also going to watch Ringu to just kind of yeah, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.120 like you said, Jamie, note the differences and similarities. But 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.360 I was like, no, I simply cannot got you. I'm 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.360 ready to die, so it's fine. My extra credit is 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.000 I started watching the ring To, which I had actually 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.640 never seen. I watched probably like the first twenty minutes. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.319 It's fine, is it? Is it the same cast? Mostly 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.320 it's Naomi Wats and it's the same kid. Everyone else 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.760 is different. Um, it might have been probably it's the 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.640 same girl playing tomorrow. I'm actually not sure. But it's 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.199 directed by the guy who directed Ringo. They brought in 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.680 They brought in the Japanese director to direct the sequel. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.440 It just doesn't have that same like intensity of the 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.920 first one. It's a little more like, let's dive into 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.439 so far as background some more and find out more 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.680 about her childhood. And I think I had I didn't 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.840 have a ton of questions. Um at the end of 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.520 the first movie, I will say, the kid from the 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.679 Ring is just not doing it for me. The little 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.200 girl or the little boy. The little girl is life changing. Yeah, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.800 I know that. The little boy, but we'll talk about that. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.080 The little boy he now works as a lawyer for Congress. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.640 By the way, he's current shop. I look, I'm like, 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.640 what does he doing these days? And he works as 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.040 like a lawyer for one of the committees. Good for him. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.920 He's a ranking member of Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Asia. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:40.720 So he lived the seven days and that is encouraging goodness? 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.960 All right, should be Are are you good? Who was 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.080 at your door? Was it someone I don't know? Someone 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.880 was at my door and it was a stranger and 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.160 he told me I have seven days to live. So 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.400 how many times can we make the joke? Okay, we'll 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.200 never get old to me. Should I do the recap? 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.960 We'll go from there. Let's do it. Actually, let's take 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.880 a break. Let's put this phone call on hold and 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:18.880 then we'll come right back. And we're back. So we 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.200 open on two teen girls flipping through the channels. One 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.840 girl is Becca and she's like, Hey, have you heard 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.200 about this video tape that kills you when you watch it? 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.440 This woman comes on screen, and then when the video 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.400 is over, your phone rings and a voice says you 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.160 will die in seven days, and then seven days later 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.760 you die. And then the other girl, Katie. I think 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.480 that's Amber tam Amber Tam yes, with the chunkiest highlights 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.440 I've ever seen in my entire life. So two thousand two. Yeah, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.520 She's like, oh no, I watched the tape and then 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.040 she pretends to die to play a prank on Becca. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.920 But then a few minutes later, Katie is walking around 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.600 her house. The TV comes on, there's attic, then we 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.160 see an image of a well and then Katie does die. Yeah, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.120 And then when they flash back to show you what 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.440 Katie's face looked like when she died. Scary. I feel 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.800 like that's the thing most people remember from the movie, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.160 even more than the little girl, is Katie's face. They 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.480 wrecked amber Tamblin, they wrecked her in her Joane of 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.680 Arcadia era and everything past did not like it. Uh. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:30.120 Then we cut to Rachel Keller. That's Naomi Watts. She's 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.680 an investigative journalist. We meet her and her son, who 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.040 has made some creepy drawings depicting his cousin Katie's death. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.520 So Katie, who died in the first scene is Rachel 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:47.440 Keller's niece, her son Aiden's cousin m and she died 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:52.080 three nights ago. Now, which Rachel is stunningly jill about. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.400 She doesn't give a shit. She grieves quietly or possibly 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:01.320 not at all. There I want to favorite. I get 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.400 like horror movie tropes as like the teacher who's like 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.919 these drawings, like because it's always just like, yeah, kids 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.280 suck at art, and every teacher knows that kids are 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.040 famously bad artists. But she's like, I don't know, could 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.080 be it could be a sign your son is just 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:26.080 blowing it at kids doing creepy things in horror movies. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.639 Is the scariest thing to me of all the like 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.360 subgenres of horror or all the horror tropes, the scariest 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.160 thing to me is creepy kids doing creepy things, and 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.119 it's happening in this movie. So he's making these creepy 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.240 drawings and Katie died three nights ago, but Aiden's teacher 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.280 is like, but Aiden drew these last week. Is if 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:54.560 I'm like, got a life, lady like students, how are 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.080 you keeping this close track on Aiden? I don't know. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.159 But also Naomi, Naomi Watts is being super weird and 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.200 that seeing in a way that isn't called back where 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.280 she's just suffered. What is it? Extremely imagine if your 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.200 niece died like that and then three days later you're like, well, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.359 I don't know, She's life happens. She's like talking on 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.000 the phone to her boss and like making a literate 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.399 of comments about like calling him a prick or something 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.680 like that, and I'm just like, your beloved niece just 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:28.720 died brutally. Anyway, My question about the teacher is did 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.480 she get those drawings, be like wow, these are sucked 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.239 up and then sit on them for a week just 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:41.480 in case somewhere? What did she know she had a 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.679 special like Aiden scary drawings folder like ready to go. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.400 Maybe she just had it for every kid and then 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:53.200 she's like, all right, all these kids are creating absolute garbage. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.600 I'm just gonna wait for it to seem like evidence 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:01.960 that's I had to check the opsius because it was like, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.040 Naomi Watts is not acting like she and Amber Tamplein 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.040 were related, Like she's true because she was like my 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.560 she called him my son's best friend instead of her niece, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.720 which is just like it was very bizarre. Also, I 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.480 was like, Oh, this cousin of his who's also his 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.560 best friend. I did not make the connection that would 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.879 have been Katie because Katie is a teenager in Aiden 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.879 is like, I don't know seven, So I'm like, that 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.320 happens with cousins, doesn't What are you talking when you're 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.439 like best friends? Like that age difference thing? Well, I mean, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.800 I understand that they would have been close, but like, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.000 I don't know. The point is Aiden calls his mom 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.359 by her first name. I don't like that. Yes, I 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.080 feel like that is done. Just that was supposed to 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.200 be scary, right or was that just sort of how 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.200 is that just what Seattle is like, I think we're 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.760 supposed to be like Aiden is creepy, which he is. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.439 I feel like I'm going to disagree with the statement 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.560 you made earlier. I think this kid nails it, Like 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:06.000 he is so off putting in the right, But is 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.679 he trying to be I don't. I mean, look this, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:10.840 the kid from the Ring is going to take me 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.760 to court. Now I'm gonna go to He's a lawyer 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:19.000 who can represent himself. He's gonna suck me up. Yeah, okay. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:24.800 So then Rachel and Aiden go to Katie's funeral. Um 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.399 Katie's mom slash Rachel's sister. I don't even know if 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.680 we learn that they're sisters, but I think so. They're 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.520 both blonde. I think we're supposed to. Yeah, So she 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.119 asks Rachel if she could try to figure out what 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.400 happened because doctors can't explain why or how Katie died. 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.160 And then that's when we see the shot of Katie's 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.800 face and it's all disfigured and scary looking, and that's 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:57.040 like pulled directly from Ring Goo like that the Japanese movie. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.560 The sections of it I've seen because it's streaming for 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.520 free to to be for all you to be heads 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.840 out there, Uh, you can watch it for free on 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:09.720 tub right now. And it's also on shutter. Yes, it's okay, 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.359 So if you have if you have money, it's on shutter. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.520 If you have to be and Shutter has like the 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.040 entire Ringo Japanese series, like all like seven no ways 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.320 or something. Kidding, I still haven't subscribed to Shutter. It's 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.200 like one of my holdouts for for no reason. I've 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.600 got seven dollars. I could do it. Do it. You've 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.840 got seven dollars and you've got seven days, Jamie, so 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:36.760 make it dollar for each day, baby. And and if 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.720 you've only got seven days to live, this is just 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.720 becoming an ad for Shutter. But if you've got seven 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.480 days to live, you can't blow it watching ads on 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.080 to Be and there's so many ads on two B, 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.840 so I think you get a seven day free trial 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.800 when you sign up for Shutter. Speaking of seven days, 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:57.040 Shutters should sponsor us. Clearly we are good at it. 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:01.879 And uh, Joseph introduced it so smoothly into the conversation. 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.320 And when you do watch to Be this um. When 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.360 I was watching Ringo, it was interrupted several times by 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.720 the same Fabrize commercial on a loop for seven minutes. 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.239 So seven is really the number of the episode? Uh 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.840 yeah it is. But the but the the imagery in 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.840 the in the first Ringo movie is so scary, so 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.320 so scary. I got maybe five minutes into Ringo, and 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:33.600 then I was like, I cannot simply cannot do this 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.320 to my brain and my feelings, so I stopped. I 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.080 respect that. My report from The Ring Too is that 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.240 it repeats the exact same scare of the teenager with 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.520 a fund up face at almost the exact same point 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.560 in the movie. Really, it basically starts the same way, 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.280 and then it like starts with two teenagers, one of 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.360 them gets killed by the ring girl, and then Naomi 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.840 Watts finds the kid and the kid has the face 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.280 very similar structure. Did she care this time or is 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.000 she like still not worried about it? I mean she 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.040