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Speaker 1: it's me the Ring. What watch out? You've got seven

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Speaker 1: you what the Bechtel test is? Is that? Love? That? Okay?

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Speaker 1: be starring on at the time. And he's like, sure,

425
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: I'll be in the ring for seven seconds. Is it

426
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: allowed to like Adam Brodie? I hope so, because I

427
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: like him. I hope he has not done anything bad. Okay,

428
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, Okay, I just I'm like, if you've

429
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: been famous for more than twenty years and it's a

430
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: chance that, like the chances, just it becomes a kind

431
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: of a scary situation. But I love Adam Brodie. Just

432
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: just never google, just never, never google Adam Brodie crimes.

433
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: So then Rachel pokes around Katie's room and finds a

434
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: stub for photos that she was getting developed. So Rachel

435
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: goes and picks up the photos looks through them. We

436
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: see Katie, her boyfriend Josh, and two other friends all

437
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: on a camping trip. Everything seems normal, but then Rachel

438
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: comes across a photo that shows all of their faces

439
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: really blurry and distorted. So Rachel continues investigating and discovers

440
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: that Katie, Josh, and the two other friends have all

441
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: died on the same night and at the same exact time,

442
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: ten PM. So scary, very scary. Yes, it's scary. Yes.

443
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: So then so then Rachel goes to Shelter Mountain Inn

444
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: where the teens stayed on this camping trip in a cabin,

445
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: and the inn lends out VHS tapes and she notices

446
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: one tape in particular on the shelf with no case,

447
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: so Rachel snatches It's menacing. I wonder if people who

448
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: did grow up with VHS is understands the menacing nature

449
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: of an unmarked VHS tape. I don't know. I don't know.

450
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: Let's ask gen Z thoughts. I mean, we can get

451
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: to this in the discussion. But I just am fascinated

452
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: by how much of this plot is built around technologies

453
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: that not only are defunct now, but they went defunct

454
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: within like two years of this movie coming out. Right,

455
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: everything this movie depends on is gone two years later. Yeah,

456
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: this this maybe the last, the last movie that I

457
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: remember having a VHS related plot point, and they really well,

458
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: then I guess it because this movie isn't as scary

459
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: if it's a blue right, it's a due right though.

460
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's a ring in and of itself. That's

461
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: a different kind of ring hunted DVD menu like the well,

462
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: isn't there that horror movie called VHS that came out?

463
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: What year did that come out? There's a whole series

464
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: of them. Their excels there. I love, I love those.

465
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I feel like those are a little more like banking

466
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: on like VHS nostalgia if I'm remembering, because now I

467
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: feel like gen Z does know what VHS tapes are

468
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: because everything is a nostalgia machine now, So like there's

469
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: VHS is on what that's I'm like on Stranger Things,

470
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: like the kids are watching, but this movie has it

471
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: has VHS, it has photo developing, like the whole plot

472
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: point of the photo developing. She works for a newspaperine,

473
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: she gets answering machine messages. She takes photos with a

474
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: digital camera like it's everything in this movie is gone.

475
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: So soon after it comes out, she does Google. Something

476
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: she doesn't but the interface, but then she's like, I

477
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: gotta go. I actually the encyclopedia is more efficient. She's like,

478
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: I need to go to the library and find a

479
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: book called America's Lighthouses, and that's what leads her to

480
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: the information she needs. Anyway, this is maybe right up

481
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: there with one of my favorite research scenes in all

482
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: of cinema, because she'd uses Google for exactly one second

483
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: and then she bails on Google, and he looks at

484
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: a book full of lighthouses and gets the information she needs.

485
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: It rocks. I love it. So she has gone to

486
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: the end. She snatches the VHS tape with no case.

487
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Then she checks into Cabin twelve, which is the same

488
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: cabin the teens stayed in. She plays the tape in

489
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: the cabin. So we now as the audience see the

490
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: entire tape. There's static, there's a ring of light, a ladder,

491
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: a chair, a creepy girl with long hair, Mommy looking

492
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: in the mirror and then saying hello there. I hadn't

493
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: rewatched the video itself in a long time, and it

494
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: did give me some comfort that watching it back as

495
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: an adult. Um, it's goofy as Noah says, well, we're

496
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: about to meet Noah. But he's like, it's very student film,

497
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, it is. It just feels like

498
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: a little like a kid's haunted house. It's like, here's

499
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: separate fingers. Yeah, it's very like here's some scary stuff.

500
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: You watch it in line for like a roller coaster

501
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh no, what's gonna happen? I like that.

502
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: I I did crack up when the mom is looking

503
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: at the mirror and then she turns around and then

504
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: it cuts to like new scary thing. It's just kind

505
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: of scary, vaguely menacing b roll Um. Yeah, it's a

506
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: bunch of mostly disturbing images. I still found the tape

507
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: a little scary, but I'm a big old baby. So

508
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: she watches it and Rachel is freaked out, and right

509
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: then the phone rings in the cabin. She picks it

510
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: up and it's a young girl's voice saying seven days.

511
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: That passes the back dol test, caitalen, it passes. She

512
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: responds with gasp, that's a meaningful and is there a

513
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: more meaningful exchange ring seven days? Click? Come on, I don't.

514
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, not to get ahead

515
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: of ourselves, but I think there's an even more meaningful

516
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: scene that passes the Bechtel tests in this movie. Well, yeah,

517
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: well we'll we'll get there. But is it it passes?

518
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: It passes a bunch with Amber Tamblin as well. But okay,

519
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: but we'll get there, I mean literally the opening lines. Yeah, okay.

520
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: So we cut to Thursday, a k A. Day one.

521
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: Rachel has noticed that pictures of her face are all

522
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: blurry and distorted the way the teens faces were in

523
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: those photos. And then Rachel goes to her friend Noah

524
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: played by Martin Henderson for help and she tells him

525
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: about the tape and the four teens who have died.

526
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: He wants to see the tape and he watches it,

527
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: despite Rachel telling him not to then the phone rings

528
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: for him, but no one picks it up, and Rachel

529
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: deletes the answering machine message. Um. She wants to know

530
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: who made the tape where it came from, and Noah

531
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, make me a copy and I'll help

532
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: you figure all this out. So she makes a copy. Bake, mistake,

533
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: big mistake. You're not going to want to make a

534
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: copy of the ring tape. Well, if you see it,

535
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: you do want a copy, I know, but I'm on

536
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Samaraw's side, So that's where I'm coming from. Sure, don't

537
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: make a copy of the Ring. I also love Um

538
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: here's a useless comment. Martin Henderson's hair is so funny

539
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: to me in this movie. He's got a bit of

540
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: a bob going on. He's got a bit of a

541
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: bob and he's got He's also has some kind of

542
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: chunky highlights. He and Ever Temple and have sort of

543
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: the same stylist. Yeah, yes, I think it's nice. It is.

544
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: It is nice. So then it's Friday day two. Rachel

545
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: gives Noah the copy she made of the VHS tape

546
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, why are the time code numbers all

547
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 1: messed up? That's what's going to tell me where the

548
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: tape came from, and now I don't know, and it's like,

549
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what are you talking about? None of that

550
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: made sense to me. So he's like trying to figure

551
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: out where who made the tape and where it came from.

552
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't understand how he would have been able to

553
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: do that based on the time code. Anyways, I hadn't

554
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: thought very hard about that. Then Noah's assistance slash girlfriend

555
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: comes in. Rachel's like, I gotta leave, and so as

556
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: she's leaving, she sees a ladder propped up against the wall,

557
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: the same ladder from the tape. Question. I love his girlfriend.

558
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: She's she's a bit of a she's she's a little

559
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: hot topic. There's a little hot topic flavor going on there,

560
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: and Nan, we wats it like, I have to get happy.

561
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: So a question to think about, excuse me, moving forward

562
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: through the rest of this plot is at this point,

563
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: she has copied the tape and shown it to someone.

564
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: So a question is, why does anything else in this

565
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: movie happen just given what we learned at the end.

566
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: It's a really really good question. I see your point,

567
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: thoughts my thought. I mean, at this point even though

568
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: the movie should end here, it can't end here because

569
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to Brian Cox. So unfortunately the movie

570
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: does have to continue for that reason alone. It does

571
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: have to go on. My in world theory is that

572
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: Samara does actually want someone to dig into her story

573
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: and kind of recognizes that maybe this person is able

574
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: to do it. Um. That's sort of how I justify

575
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: it to myself, is that it kind of keeps happening,

576
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: not because she hasn't fulfilled the curse, but because Samarrow

577
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: is like, he come visit my island and talk to

578
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, right, Like she's she's changing, She's making

579
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: the rules. She can change the rules as she goes,

580
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: and she I mean, ultimately Samara wants she's just trying

581
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: to go viral. You know, she's as gonna say she

582
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: wants a mummy, but yeah, she's trying to She's an

583
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: influencer and she's trying to get followers. I believe it.

584
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: I I this movie does work for me on the

585
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: on the mommy horror front. I feel like she just

586
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: she just wants to be a understood by an adult

587
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: woman who's not going to push her into a well

588
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: for example, fair Yeah. Um, Okay, so now it's day

589
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: three Saturday. Rachel scrubs through the tape again does something

590
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: that I also don't understand, but she kind of moves

591
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: the recorded image that she's able to see on screen,

592
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: kind of moves it to the side where there's another

593
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: image of a lighthouse in one of the scenes. So

594
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: she has discovered this lighthouse in the tape, and then

595
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: just not, that's not how tapes work, right, Like the right,

596
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: I literally wrote down, maybe that is how that works.

597
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: Like I just like, I mean, maybe if the if

598
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: the original footage was shot in like Pano vision, but

599
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: the aspect ratio and the t V is only like

600
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: four three, maybe you can do a film buff. She

601
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: had really high tech, she had great gear, she's shooting

602
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: in six nine, but the TV's only four three. So

603
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I was like maybe, but I do not understand, and

604
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: I think the like the movie is just like relying

605
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: on the audience to assume, yeah, I guess this could

606
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: maybe be a thing, or just be like so focused

607
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: on their own mortality that by that point they're like, sure, great, fine,

608
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't have time to ask these questions, right, I

609
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: have to call my mom. So it's Sunday, day four.

610
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: Now that Rachel has seen this lighthouse in the tape,

611
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: she's trying to figure out where this lighthouse might be

612
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: via a library book that I mentioned earlier called America's Lighthouses.

613
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I want that book. She finds what she thinks is

614
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: this lighthouse on a place called Moesco Island, and then

615
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: she starts to piece some other things together. Um a

616
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: photo of some people standing in out of this lighthouse

617
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: includes a woman named Anna Morgan, who is also seen

618
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: in the tape. So this is scary, Mrs Scary. Rachel

619
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: then looks through some newspaper archives and discovers that Anna

620
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: was a horseback rider, but a bunch of horses on

621
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: this island died mysteriously, and then Anna Morrigan started having

622
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: hallucinations and then died by suicide. Then we cut to Monday,

623
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: day five. Rachel has a scary dream where she sees

624
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: the little girl with dark hair. This scene, by the way,

625
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: points to my theory about what's happening here, because what

626
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: Samara does in this dream is she shows her the

627
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: hospital that they put her in. It's she's kind of

628
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: pushing her in a direction of information rather than just

629
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: haunting her here. I mean, that's how I've understood the

630
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: movie that like Samara wants people to and like, you know,

631
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: you survive by making a copy, because you know, she

632
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: wants the spread of this information to happen. She wants

633
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: to go viral, as you said, she I do. I uh.

634
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: The forthcoming twist that it's like, even when people know

635
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: Samara's story, that does not quench her rage. She's like, well,

636
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: now you know, unfortunately, um I still want to kill you,

637
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: but thank you for hearing me out. They like something

638
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: like about Samara getting you all the information and then

639
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: killing you anyways is just so incredible. She's like, I

640
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: gave you all the clues, Mr. Police, but also you

641
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: have to share. Yeah, this is a reporter, but also

642
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you have to share the clues with other people. The

643
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: thing is like Samara needs to at least wait for,

644
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: you know, Rachel to get to press, like come on,

645
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: and that takes more than seven days in two thousand

646
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: two probably, um okay. So then Rachel discovers her son

647
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Aidan watching the tape, the phone rings, the whole thing.

648
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: She's like, oh no, now my son is going to

649
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: die in seven days. And then she calls Noah and

650
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: she's or Noah calls her I think, and she's like, oh, Noah,

651
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: he watched the tape and he's like who did, And

652
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: she's like our son, and we're like twist alert. Noah

653
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: and Rachel made a baby together. Completely missed that. I

654
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: think both times watching this did not realize he was

655
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: the dad. It's such a useless twist that I also

656
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: forgot when I want but um, I was like, okay, well,

657
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: good for that creepy lawyer kid. Like well, prior to that,

658
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: you see some scenes where Rachel and Noah have kind

659
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: of weird interactions based on what you understand their relationship

660
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: to be, which is like friends and maybe like colleagues

661
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: or former colleagues. But then they like have these conversations

662
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: where it's like you think I'm a bit and I

663
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: think you're blah blah blah, and just you know how

664
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: I talked to my colleague. Yeah, and then like the

665
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: scene where his girlfriend walks in and it's a problem

666
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: and then and then she she she's like, grow up, Noah,

667
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and then she storms out and it's like, what is

668
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: this relationship? And then you find it he sired her.

669
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: Creepy kid, maybe that's what happened. He got her gregnant,

670
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: and now she has a Greg. She's stuck with this

671
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: little Greg, this creepy Greg who calls her Rachel, Oh

672
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: my god for the Yeah, this little Greg who won't

673
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: stop first name assaulting her at any given opportunity, Like

674
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: it's just okay. So we get that twist. Then it's Tuesday,

675
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: day six the time, and and we still have an

676
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: hour left of the movie at this point. So Rachel

677
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: goes to Moesco Island where the lighthouse is. On the

678
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: ferry to the island, a horse gets loose and jumps overboard. Um,

679
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: which is obvious watching it back, but I think I

680
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: did not know that was a c g I horse

681
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: when I was ten, and I was so sad and scared.

682
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: And that's the image more than some are crawling out

683
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: of the TV or amber Tamblo scary head. The horse

684
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: jumping off the boat was where I was like, I'm done,

685
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: I need to go home, traumatizing. My wife joined me

686
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: for this watch, and um, I actually I warned her

687
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: ahead of time because there was just no way she

688
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: was watching that scene, no scene for her. It's upsetting.

689
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's and and It also establishes gor Verbinski

690
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: boat lore. You're like, now this guy knows how to

691
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: shoot something on a boat. Soon there will be ghost

692
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: pirates on boats. Wow. Wow. Okay, So on the island,

693
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Rachel goes to speak to Anna's husband, Richard Morgan, who's

694
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: played by Brian roy Oh my gosh, what a tree.

695
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: This is definitely the first time I've watched this movie

696
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: in a post succession world, and it's so fun to

697
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: watch Lighthouse Logan roy Um whatever acute himself. I do

698
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: feel like he's kind of playing the same character both times.

699
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: A fun fact from the IMW trivia is that he

700
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: did not audition. They wrote that role for him. Brian, Well,

701
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: he knocked it out of the park as usual. What

702
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: what a weird role to write for someone specifically. You're like,

703
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: you know what, you would be great at, Brian Cox

704
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: being samaras lighthouse stab right, you know what. I can't

705
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: wait to watch. But but he does that scene always.

706
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that seems really really scary when I

707
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: was a kid, but I didn't know that it was

708
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: one of our greatest actors doing it. Okay, So Rachel

709
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: tells Richard Morgan that she thinks the video tape is

710
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: a message from his his wife, but he's not having

711
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: any of this and he shooes Rachel away as lighthouse

712
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: guys are wont to do yeah. Meanwhile, Aidan is back

713
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: home being completely neglected by his parent parents under he

714
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: calls her Rachel. He barely knows her um. He's drawing

715
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: some creepy pictures over and over again, and Rachel calls him,

716
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: and he tells his mom over the phone that this

717
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: little girl talks to him and shows him things, apparently

718
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: this little girl being Samara. So Rachel then goes to

719
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: a doctor on the island, Dr Grasnick, who tells Rachel

720
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: that the Morgan family adopted a daughter, Samara, after which

721
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: Anna Morgan started hallucinating seeing things and she thought that

722
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 1: Samara was making her have these hallucinations. Shortly thereafter, Anna

723
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: dies and Samara was sent to a psychiatric hospital. Meanwhile,

724
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Noah is like back on the mainland investigating and he

725
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: discovers more info on in a Morgan and finds the

726
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: cover of a different VHS tape, but it's empty. The

727
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: tape is missing, so he goes to look for it

728
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: back on the island. Rachel goes back to Richard Morgan's house. Um,

729
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: the door is open, so she just like goes in

730
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: and snoops around. She finds the missing tape that Noah

731
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: was looking for, and it is of Samaraw. So much

732
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: tape antics deep in the second act, and it's all tapes, tapes, tapes.

733
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: This movie people researching things. Yeah, most of the plot exactly.

734
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: And once you're not scared of the movie anymore, you're like, Wow,

735
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: this is a lot of busy work that they're doing.

736
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: What was that high risk busy work? What was that

737
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: movie where they work at the Boston Globe and they're researching,

738
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: they're like investigating priests. Yes, Spotlight, Yeah, this movie is

739
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: basically Spotlight. Okay. So she finds the missing tape and

740
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: it is of Samara in a hospital room being questioned

741
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: by a doctor. Samara is saying that really aggressively to

742
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: the doctor. I love. The doctor is very unprofessional. He's like, Samaraw,

743
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: we're here trying to figure out what's wrong with you.

744
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not how you talked to a kid

745
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: at a children's psychiatric hospital. I hope I know. I

746
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: was like, is this doctor a cop? Like, what is happening.

747
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: He's blowing it. So Samara tells the doctor that her

748
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: dad doesn't love her and wants her to go away,

749
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: and then, which I'm sure helps, Then Richard Morgan is

750
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: right behind Rachel as she's watching this tape, and she's like,

751
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: you killed Samara, didn't you? And then Richard hits Rachel

752
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: over the head. And then he starts kind of carrying

753
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: on about how Samara is still showing him images whispering

754
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: in his ear, tormenting him, and then he electrocutes himself

755
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: today I mean the performance he makes a meal of

756
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: the electrocution scene. When they had to bring this movie

757
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: from an R to a PG thirteen, apparently this was

758
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: one of the scenes that they have like cut this

759
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: is a PG thirteen movie, it is, and that was

760
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: like a big thing. This and then later the murder

761
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: at the well, we're both radically cut to hit PG thirteen.

762
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I do remember this is definitely one of those movies that,

763
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: like when it was released on like DVD, there was

764
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: like uncut versions right like there were other I vaguely

765
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: remember that, but I also definitely did not watch it again. Yikes. Um, Sorry,

766
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of a joke because like

767
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: rings have gems on them, uncut ring, uncut gems. Thoughts,

768
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: We're with it. If we're on our way, We're on

769
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: our way. Thank you, thank you so much. I think

770
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: I didn't see this movie when it came out in

771
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: theaters in two thousand two because Lord of the Rings

772
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: was coming out and I was like, that's the only

773
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: ring I'm interested in. How badly do you think this

774
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: movie suffered from ring exhaustion of right? People like, we've

775
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: we've had enough down from Lord of the Rings. That

776
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: is very funny. Yeah, um okay. So Richard electric cutes himself.

777
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Then Noah shows up at this house on the island.

778
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: He and Rachel go into the barn on this property.

779
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: They discover a room where Richard apparently kept Little Samara

780
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: while Anna was having mental health issues. And then under

781
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: the wallpaper in this room, they discover an image of

782
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: a tree that was like burned into the wall and

783
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Rachel recognizes the tree. She's like, oh, it's at Shelter

784
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: Mountain Inn, where Katie and her friends camped and watched

785
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: the tape originally. It's also definitely just the tree from

786
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: the six ft under opening credits. I have no idea

787
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: if that's true. It's just looks exactly like it. It

788
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: feels like it. Tho, yeah, they copy pasted. We have

789
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: six feed under would have been on already at that point, right,

790
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: don't remember. I think it looks like the White Tree

791
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: from Gone Door from Lord of the Rings, Return of

792
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: the And we've got our ring head over here. So

793
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: then we cut to Wednesday, day seven. Oh, it's the

794
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: last day. The stakes are high and it's hump day.

795
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah it is um all right, that's the end of

796
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: the job. Rachel and Noah go to Shelter Mountain Inn.

797
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: They go to Cabin twelve, where they discover a well

798
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: under the floorboards. Then Rachel is knocked into the well

799
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: by some supernatural force. Noah goes for help, and while

800
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: he's gone, the heavy stone lid kind of slides over

801
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: the top of the well to trap Rachel inside. The

802
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: well from this movie is on the campus because of

803
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: this movie was shot between actual Seattle area and a

804
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: few locations in our area in southern California, and it

805
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: was shot the well itself is from California. It's I

806
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: think season chel Islands, okay, and one of our nation's

807
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: worst boyfriends drove me there once, um, and it was

808
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: really exciting. And and I don't know if we're going

809
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: to go on a field trip there, Jamie, maybe take

810
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: some pictures put them on Instagram. I'm well, I'm willing

811
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: it to What if we peed in some are as? Well?

812
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: Is what I want to throw out there? How hard

813
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: would it be to pee in the well? Is it

814
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: like I remember it being? It's a bit, I mean

815
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: it has to be. It's like not. You can't see

816
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: a building, you know, watch YouTube video. I don't think

817
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: you can get to it. It's behind a lot of fencing. Um.

818
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: As I mentioned to you when we were talking about

819
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: this episode, I grew up ten minutes from that campus

820
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: and so near one of the filming locations. Did not

821
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: help things. Right, That you lived and the well no

822
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: les the where the ring originates. Shocking that you lived, shocking,

823
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: and you're still with us. So, so Rachel is still

824
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: in the well, and while she's down there, she sees

825
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Samara in the well with her. She grabs Rachel and

826
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: shows her like a vision of Samara's mother, Anna Morrigan,

827
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: throwing Samara into the well. And then the last thing

828
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: that Samara ever saw was this ring of light right

829
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: before the well was stealed shut with like the heavy

830
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: stone lid. Then Rachel finds Samara's skeleton in the well

831
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: and she's like cradling it. We cut to Rachel out

832
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: of the well. Apparently Noah went to get help and

833
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: saved her, and then Rachel realizes that some was in

834
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: the well for seven days before she died, hence the

835
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: you have seven days to live. And it seems like

836
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: Rachel and Noah will not die because discovering the truth

837
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: about Samara set them free. But then you check the

838
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: rent on and you're like, oh no, there's still twenty minutes, right,

839
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: So then Rachel and Noah go back home. Rachel talks

840
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: her son Aidan in and it seems like maybe Rachel

841
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: and Noah are going to rekindle their romance. This was

842
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: just a long elaborate parent trap from Weirdday Kid. Aiden,

843
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh love it. So the next morning, Rachel tells Aiden

844
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: that she helps that little girl, and Aiden freaks out.

845
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: He's like, you weren't supposed to help her. She never sleeps.

846
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: This will keep going. God. That line is good where

847
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: he's like you, you don't get it. She never sleeps

848
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: and you realize what he means. That is just I

849
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: genuinely think that's great writing. It's very scary. So then

850
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: we cut to Noah's place, Static comes on his TV.

851
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: There's a shot of the well. Then we see Samara

852
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: crawling out of the well and then crawling out of

853
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: his TV. Meanwhile, Rachel is rushing to Noah's place because she,

854
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, realizes they're still in danger. She burst in

855
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: and finds Noah dead as hell, Static on the TV.

856
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: She's freaking out. She burns the tape, but she's like, wait,

857
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: why didn't I die? Why did he die? And I

858
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't What did I do that Noah didn't do? And

859
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: then she realizes she made a copy of the tape

860
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: because Samara, you know, she just wanted to be heard.

861
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: She just wants people to know her story. She wants

862
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: to go viral. So then she has aiden make a

863
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: copy of the tape so that he won't die. And

864
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: then he's like, but what about you know, what are

865
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: we going to do now? We have to show this

866
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: to someone such a VHS based thing. You have to

867
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: make a physical copy of the physical media and that

868
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: will save your life. And that's how the movie ends

869
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: with like now they're like, oh my god, we have

870
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: to keep spreading the story the end. So that's the movie.

871
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we will come back

872
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: to discuss. And we're back. While on the break, my

873
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: wife ambushed me with like, I have a bunch of

874
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: thoughts on the ring. I have some thoughts do you

875
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: want to share um? Well, she immediately was like, I

876
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: think it's about motherhood, and I'm like, I think they already.

877
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: She's onto something, but she her interpretation, having we went

878
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: through this whole thing last year when we had a kid,

879
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: is Amanda's first few months are rough, and so she

880
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: thinks the the idea of having a daughter and having

881
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: her not be who you think she's going to be

882
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: in putting terrible images in your head is a metaphor

883
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: for postpartum depression and postpartuming sieting. I like that there definitely.

884
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: I am glad to hear that because I was like,

885
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: it was like this, motherhood is definitely a theme in

886
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: this movie, but it's like the way it's treated as

887
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: kind of I couldn't make heads or tails of it

888
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: in certain moments. I like that, like with Anna Morgan specifically,

889
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: but I feel like maybe that's why we needed the

890
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: ring too to give us more information. And then they

891
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: made a third movie, Rings, which was about the birth father.

892
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: But Brian Cowhouse dad, we don't have to get into.

893
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: I read the Wikipedia summary and I now there's an

894
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: entire story to her birth that like is why she's

895
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: an evil child? Whoa this is what where she? Is

896
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: she from the Seattle area or is she from hell? Um?

897
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: It's a not not to bring down the mood. It's

898
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: a bit of a bummer of a story. And she's

899
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: like born because the priest sexually assaulted the mother and

900
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: then tried to kill her, and they gave her like

901
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: a whole traumatic birth story. Well, if there's one thing

902
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: that movies like to do, it's over explain why women

903
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: are traumatized and revel in that trauma and be like,

904
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: isn't it So doesn't women's trauma make for such a

905
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: good scary movie. There's a lot of money in that

906
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: turns out okay, So the so, I mean, maybe that's

907
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: a good place to start. I just the background on

908
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: this movie, as we've already said, it's uh pretty close

909
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: remake of a Japanese movie from Ringo, which was based

910
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: on a novel by Koji Suzuki which was influenced by

911
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of scary Japanese folk tales. It's like to

912
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: let me and and in the all of the Japanese

913
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: versions of the story, it's her name is Sadako Yamamura,

914
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: which was rather lazily anglicized into samaraw morgan Um. She's

915
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: also an adult in the Japanese movies, which seems like

916
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: a major difference. Yeah, which I mean it's she's also

917
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: very scary. I do feel like it's scarier when she's

918
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: lie Low from Leelo and Stitch with her hair all

919
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: messed up and what's her name from Spirited Away? Wow,

920
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: she really was on a terror there for a while. Now.

921
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: Should a small white girl have been performing those roles?

922
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: Probably not, but probably not this. I mean it is

923
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: like the question with this remake is why does it

924
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: need to exist when it's very very close to the

925
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: Japanese version, and it because it is just a completely

926
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: whitewashed version of a famous Japanese story in English, when

927
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: it's like you could have just released Ringo with the

928
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: subtitles and it would have worked just as well. Yes, yeah, uh,

929
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: this is a movie so normally for episodes. I have

930
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: like pages of notes and thoughts that I've a key umulated,

931
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's just because this movie

932
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: freaks me out a lot and just makes my brain

933
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: not work as I'm watching it. But the only thing

934
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes is Aidan calls his mom Rachel,

935
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: and that was my big takeaway, which is a little scary,

936
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: and it also just feels like kind of, um, no,

937
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: no disrespect to Seattle, but I'm like, I could just

938
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: see kids in Seattle kind of just doing that and

939
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: having that be a normal thing to do up there.

940
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: They're just on like very curt terms with their parents. Um,

941
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: they're peers, They're peers. I think there's a lot to

942
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: talk about with this movie. I mean, especially around the

943
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: subject of like motherhood. I feel like this movie and

944
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: this franchise, or at least Ringo as well, like kind

945
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: of um manages to subvert a lot of horror mommy

946
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: tropes by giving Rachel a really so I mean, like

947
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: a really strong connection to the story because it's like

948
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: she's investigating the death of her niece, which she does,

949
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: which I keep forgetting because I don't know if Naomi

950
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: Watts was told just like I was not seeing the grief.

951
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: But whatever, everybody are differently. Sometimes you have to If

952
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: this movie was remade now, it would be a podcast.

953
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: It would not be Um, she Naomi wants to be

954
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: playing a podcaster and um, we would have to watch that. Yeah.

955
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess I wanted to talk about how

956
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: motherhood is explored because I feel like in a lesser movie,

957
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: sometimes in horror, anders in movies in general, it's like, well,

958
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: of course she needs to like figure out what's going

959
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: on with Samara, because that is what a mother does.

960
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: And like there's this in this little mommy alert that

961
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: goes off inside you and you have to, you know,

962
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: do the mommy thing. I feel like we see that

963
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: all the time in sci fi. Uh see it in horror,

964
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: you see, I mean you see it kind of across

965
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: the board. But the Moofy, I feel like, explains really well,

966
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: why just doing what she's doing. And also she's like

967
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: she's you know, she's a single mom, and um, she

968
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: and Aiden around a first name basis, so she's not

969
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: necessarily mother of the year. And um, I liked that

970
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: that's important representation. Yeah, I mean I appreciated that Rachel's

971
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: character is an active participant in the story in the

972
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: way I mean, it depends on what sub genre of

973
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: horror you're examining. I think slasher movies are maybe the

974
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: worst at this as far as like, well, there's just

975
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a bunch of horny teen girls and they're

976
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: going to have sex and then they're gonna get murdered,

977
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: and we do we do, uh, lose a horny teen

978
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: right at the top of the movie. We do, yeah,

979
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: and then yeah. Female characters in slasher movies are just

980
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: usually not allowed to be very active in terms of,

981
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, figuring out a way to escape or to

982
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: fight back or anything like that, with of course the

983
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: exception of The Final Girl, which is obviously very characteristic

984
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: of the genre. But at least Rachel is, you know,

985
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: actively investigating the mystery and choices she makes and discoveries

986
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: she makes push the story forward and ultimately, well, I

987
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't say resolve the conflict, because there's the conflict is

988
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't sleep. She doesn't sleep, But what Rachel does

989
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: allows her and her son Aidan to survive thereby you know,

990
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: resolving that conflict. So yeah, I you know, she's an

991
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: active participant in the story, which makes sense. She is

992
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: the protagonist. That is how stories work, I know, but

993
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily how horror moms are always dreaded. True.

994
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: One of my notes that I wrote down was, I really,

995
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: just overall, I think this is actually a very well

996
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: written movie. Um. Just objectively, I think this movie does

997
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things right. Um. And one of the

998
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: things it does is it does a structure that horror

999
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: movies almost never do. And I it's a really good one,

1000
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: which is it's like, um, it's a p I movie

1001
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: mixed with a horror movie. Like it's about a person

1002
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: solving a mystery, which is a super interesting way to

1003
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: struck Like usually a horror movie is about something coming

1004
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: to a person, but this is about a person coming

1005
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: to a thing. After the Yeah, the only other one

1006
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: I can think of is the very good movie The

1007
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: Empty Man. Oh, I don't know that one. Uh, and

1008
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: it kind of got buried. Um, but it's on HBO

1009
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: Max question Mark. But it uh, I mean it it's

1010
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: a movie that starts out feeling like a direct rip

1011
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: off of the Ring because it's about a similar like

1012
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: you something happens in three days later you get killed

1013
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: um and a guy starts investigating, but then it ends

1014
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: up going a very very different direction, but it has

1015
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: the same thing of like totally it's a horror but

1016
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: structurally it's just a straight up private detective solving the mystery.

1017
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that works for That worked for me for this movie,

1018
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: and yeah it does mean that. Like I guess when

1019
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: I when I was back on the legacy of of

1020
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: horror mommy's it's usually like, yeah, like things are happening

1021
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: to them and they are trying to avoid things happening.

1022
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: But she, I don't know, she's She's doing all this

1023
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: stuff for so many reasons, like she's trying to avenge

1024
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: her niece question Mark, although I am still convinced she

1025
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: doesn't care. She's on the clock, she's trying to save

1026
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: her son, she's trying to save her baby daddy, she's

1027
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: like trying to save herself. There's all these different sort

1028
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: of factors and and there's not a ton of like, well,

1029
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: I guess when she goes into the lighthouse, you're like,

1030
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: probably don't go in there, But there's not like the

1031
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: typical like don't go in there because you're acting irrationally

1032
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: in a very horror movie way like she's I don't

1033
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: remember feeling that way, or or on their rewatch either

1034
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: because you're like, well, yeah, she needs to she needs

1035
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: to go and she has to pursue the bad thing,

1036
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: or yeah, I do appreciate that there's a compelling reason

1037
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: for her to investigate and like go into scary places

1038
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: and because she's like trying to all of the mystery.

1039
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: This won't be any spoilers, but I recently saw Barbarian

1040
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: and in that movie, the main character, who is a woman,

1041
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: keeps going back into the scary place, and you're like,

1042
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: but why she loves going into the scary place. I

1043
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: had so much fun at that movie. He just it

1044
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: was so fun. It's literally the first movie I had

1045
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: seen in the theater since January. It was the first

1046
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: one that I was excited enough about to be like,

1047
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go on eleven A. I'm on a Monday. Truly,

1048
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: that's that's so fun I had. I had such a

1049
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: blasted Yeah, no, no spoilers for listeners, but highly recommend

1050
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: she does. She is addicted to going down to the

1051
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: scary place. But ultimately, when Bill scary guard answers the door.

1052
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: In a movie, you aren't supposed to go into the house. Yeah,

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01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: haven't you seen it? Of course? Well, I also like

1054
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: have a huge Bill scars Gard crush. I love I

1055
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: knew it, penny Wise, are you joking there? Yeah? There,

1056
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: Look Bill's cars guard. I'm going to show up. I'm

1057
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna show up at the movie and I'm gonna love

1058
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: every second of it. There's also okay, last barbarian comment.

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01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: There's a scene in which one of the actors, even

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01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: though the movie takes place in between Detroit and l

1061
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: a inexplicably, one of the main characters wears a hat

1062
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: from a Boston based pickle company. Um, and I cheered

1063
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: Grillos pickles. Grillos Pickles. Where in the world of this

1064
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: movie did he get that pickles the supermarket? I mean,

1065
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: I Grillos Pickles a Boston institution. Ultimately, when the big

1066
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: one hits, that's how That's how my my my city

1067
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: will be remembered, is where Grillos. We're howking I used

1068
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: to get Like this makes it set me sound like

1069
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm actually a hundred years old. I used to buy

1070
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: They used to sell Grillos pickles, like near the Park

1071
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: Street stop and you could just get fistful of pickils

1072
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: and then get on the train to some loose pickles

1073
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: on the train. That's disgusting. Okay, I'm learning so much.

1074
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: I also got excited about the Gorilla's hat. I'm so

1075
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: glad I was. I was like, it doesn't make sense

1076
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: for a character who's going between Detroit and l A.

1077
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: But um, look you a grillos hat. It can be.

1078
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: It can be anything you want. It's first to go

1079
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: back to the motherhood thing. I think there is something

1080
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: really important to the fact that there's the twist that's

1081
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: Tomorrow just is evil, that there there is no thing

1082
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: you can do to make her not evil, that she

1083
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: just wants to hurt people. Because I think there is

1084
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: this just going a bit off personal experience here. There

1085
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: is this some of this horror to being a parent

1086
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 1: of there's only so much you can do to help

1087
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: shape someone, like you do your best and you try

1088
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: not to suck it up, but ultimately they're going to

1089
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: become the person they become. And um, I know somebody

1090
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: who's a parent who was like her older kid. She

1091
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he just is, Um, he's an asshole,

1092
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: and I don't know what to do about that. Like

1093
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: he's just he's just a huge dick, and like I

1094
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: don't think I think that's just who he is. And

1095
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: so there's this horror that like, yeah, this person becomes

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01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: part of your family, but you you only have so

1097
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: much control over what kind of person you're bringing into

1098
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: your family, and it's I just want to clarify, but

1099
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: that my daughter seems great, My daughter seems very cool.

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: So far so good, so far, so good, so far,

1101
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: so good. But like, yeah, this idea that yes, there

1102
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: was a lot of problems with the way she mothered Smarrow,

1103
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: including throwing her in a well, but Smarrow also sucks. Smarrow,

1104
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: does we have some parenting notes. I do feel like

1105
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: there is this um and maybe this has just been

1106
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: on my mind because there is inexplicably been another entry

1107
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: into the Orphan franchise recently where it's like kids secretly

1108
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: old um. But there is this uh sort of anxiety

1109
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: in movies around adopted children, um, and like, oh, what's

1110
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: which I am not adopted? I can't imagine if is

1111
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: super fun if you're an adopted kid watching The Ring

1112
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: to be like, oh no, like I brought this kid

1113
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: into my home and something. It's the most wrong child

1114
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: that's ever existed. Um, and like drives her adoptive parents

1115
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: out of their minds and must be killed. Um okay.

1116
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: So what wasn't clear to me was if tomorrow was

1117
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: like turned out the way she was, where she was

1118
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: like imprinting scary images into her adoptive parents minds because

1119
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: like her dad, Brian Cox was like not wanting to

1120
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: have her because he says something like my wife was

1121
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: never supposed to have a baby, you know, and she

1122
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: had all the Ani Morgan had all these miscarriages, And

1123
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: I was like, was he like doing like abusing his

1124
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: wife and like forcing her to miscarry? Like I wasn't

1125
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: sure exactly what was happening. And then when like this

1126
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: baby did get adopted, was he abusive towards the baby?

1127
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: And that's why Samara, I wasn't sure how much of

1128
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: like a nature or nurture thing it was to me

1129
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily clear enough in the movie. I don't

1130
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: even know how much it matters for this specific movie.

1131
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily operating on a lot of logic as

1132
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: most horror movies do not. Is this a ring two thing? Joseph? Yeah,

1133
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean I guess. The sequels make it clear to me.

1134
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: To me, it's obvious that she's evil, just she's evil,

1135
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: Like that's sort of that's sort of the ending twist

1136
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: is there's nothing you can do. She's just a monster.

1137
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: The sequels make that more literal, like they specifically like

1138
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: her birth mother tried to drown her because she was evil,

1139
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Like there's she was evil from birth, like I think

1140
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: that's a There's the scene where she's being interviewed and

1141
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: he's like, UM, you don't want to hurt people, do you?

1142
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: And she says, but I do, and I'm sorry and

1143
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: it won't stop. And I think it's a very clever

1144
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: bit of writing because the first time you hear I

1145
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to hurt people, do you? And

1146
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: she says but I do, and you interpret it as

1147
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: but I do keep hurting people. Um, And then in

1148
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: the end you they show her face and you realize

1149
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: she's saying, but I do want to hurt people, um,

1150
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: because she's bad to the bone. I really Okay. So

1151
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this recently for an unrelated reason.

1152
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: Have a book with me right called Lady Killers. It's

1153
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: about female serial killers, but more so like the the

1154
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: media narratives that tend to form around them throughout history. Um,

1155
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: and I do want to cover more women murdering uh

1156
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: and being evil kind of movies on the show, first

1157
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: of all because they're fun to watch it, but also because, um,

1158
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: there is like I think it's like interesting that the

1159
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: Ring franchise sort of goes into this territory of like

1160
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:19,919
Speaker 1: needing to over explain the evil because around most actual

1161
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: quote unquote evil women who have you know, killed, murdered, burned,

1162
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: et cetera, there is always this kind of compulsion to

1163
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 1: be like, but but why and like connecting it to

1164
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: motherhood or connecting it to like a kind of feminine

1165
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: explanation for why she would be driven to kill. And

1166
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: sometimes that is there is some truth to that, but

1167
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: sometimes people are just fucking evil, and um, there is

1168
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: not a highly like you know, socialized reasoning for it.

1169
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: And so I like that after like being kind of

1170
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: entrenched and stuff like that, the twist that Samara is

1171
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: just evil super worked for me because you get that

1172
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: whole narrative of like, this kid had a really difficult life.

1173
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: They were abused, they had like their parents were way

1174
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: out of their depth. They were murdered by their own mom.

1175
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: All this horrible stuff, and but uh, and yet two

1176
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: things are true. And she's also just evil and like

1177
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: wants to kill people and can't explain why, and that's

1178
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: just like the reality of the world. And I don't know.

1179
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool that it's like, I like,

1180
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: this is not a fully formed thought, and so by

1181
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: the time this release releases, I might feel different already.

1182
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: But I do think it it's like fun to see

1183
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: a character like allowed to be evil without there being

1184
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: this like really intense trauma background explainer. It's fun when

1185
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: people are just evil sometimes when you're watching a movie,

1186
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: I think, especially because in horror movies centering around men

1187
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: being the evil killer, sometimes there will be like a

1188
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: backstory where it's like this is how he got evil,

1189
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: and other times it's like, no, Michael Myers was just

1190
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: born evil. Well, there's there's some that's explored, right, Michael

1191
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: Myers is origins I don't remember. I think I think

1192
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: you're right though, that it's kind of even when they

1193
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: explore it, like he's just he's very similar to Samarrow,

1194
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: Like they're both these kind of faceless entities that are

1195
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: just born evil and kind of want the world watching

1196
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 1: this again. I think this is a really well done

1197
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: twist in a movie that is never talked about. When

1198
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: people talk about very good movie twist, this one never

1199
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: comes up. But it's the only one I can think

1200
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: of where the twist is the thing you think for

1201
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: most of the movie, Like for the most of the movie,

1202
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: they're like samaras evil, and then they're like, actually, she's

1203
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: just misunderstood, and then the twist is actually the first

1204
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: thing you thought was right. Um, It's just I keep

1205
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: coming back to. I just think the writing in this

1206
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: movie is very clever. The structuring of it is just

1207
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: very smart. And if you're trying to like scare your audience,

1208
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: that is like such an effective way to do it.

1209
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: Is like to get you all the way around to

1210
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: like empathizing with some are early sympathizing with her and

1211
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this poor kid, and like I was

1212
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: trying to put myself in the ten year old brain

1213
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: and as scary as the story of the well in

1214
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: the Seven Days and all that ship, like it's really scary,

1215
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: but it is sort of comforting. When you have the

1216
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: explanation and she's holding the skeleton, You're like, oh, Okay,

1217
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: samar is not going to be scary anymore. But then

1218
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: guess what, bitch, She's gonna be scary forever and yeah,

1219
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: and then it's like, Okay, if you had considered leaving

1220
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: this movie without being absolutely like afraid forever, yeah, like that,

1221
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: like you're saying, just like that. The takeaway is that

1222
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,480
Speaker 1: some some evil is just like truly unstoppable and irrational,

1223
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: and that is the scariest thing in the world. It

1224
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: is just that people are irrationally evil and want to

1225
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: hurt you, and they can't even tell you why you

1226
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: can't therapy them out of killing you. To be fair,

1227
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: I think that that doctor did a real bang up

1228
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: job of Samara. Yeah yeah, he's like Samaraw, what the

1229
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: funk is wrong with you? Why doesn't Brian Cox like you?

1230
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: You're like all the question Like it was that just

1231
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: one of the more realistic scenes in the movie, right right,

1232
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: because I mean it's also not to be like Brian

1233
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: Cox is. I'm just like, what what year are these Samara?

1234
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 1: Like what year does this take place in? Um? I

1235
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: know that like it takes place in the current day

1236
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,440
Speaker 1: in the main narrative, but it just seems like Samaraw's

1237
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: story is so old timey and all of the videos

1238
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: are so old timey, and Brian Cox is like old.

1239
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: And then you're just like, and Anna Morgan always kind

1240
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: of dressed a little old timey, like almost Victorian era.

1241
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: They look like they're like pioneers. Yeah, like, but but

1242
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: then you're like, well, Brian Cox, isn't that old? That

1243
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: seems maybe a little mean. They figure out at some

1244
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: point that Anna Morgan died twenty eight years ago, I think,

1245
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: is what said, So it would have been in like

1246
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: the sixties or seven early seventies. I can't math right now. Also,

1247
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: has Brian Cox just not aged since this movie? Or

1248
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: I had the same thought, isn't that But like that's

1249
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: kind of a good scenario if you're an actor, or

1250
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: you're just like, okay, I'm in my old era, so

1251
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: let's just try to like hold this, let's hold the

1252
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: line and like not look. And then at some point

1253
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, in a couple of years he's allowed

1254
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: to look really old, and that's the final act. Is

1255
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: just like great actor, objectively crusty at the edges. So okay,

1256
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: So but this all the summer stuff happens sometime in

1257
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: late sixties or early seventies. From what I understand, I do.

1258
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: I do agree with you Joseph that like the I

1259
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: mean of of what i've like child psychology, Uh, certainly,

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01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: and the further back you go, there's a lot of

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: blame me, shame, weird stuff that goes on. So it's

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: not like unfortunately it's just childhood psychology. It's like adult Yeah.

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01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 1: But like especially if you're little Samara, I just she

1264
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: could have she could have used a gentler touch. I'm like, man,

1265
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: you're asking for it. You're asking to like die in

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01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: seven days. Quick aside, I am seeing on the Wikipedia

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: page that Chris Cooper appears in this movie as child

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: Murder uncredited. Those scenes were cut. I have him, Yeah,

1269
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,839
Speaker 1: I did you read about this? I I have information

1270
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: on that. Please please give me the rundown on why

1271
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: esteemed actor Chris Cooper appears as child Murder uncredited. His

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: character existed entirely to answer the question. It was like

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: the main question my wife had, which is, wait, who

1274
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: did they give the tape to at the end that

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01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: the kid made a copy of which the movie just

1276
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: doesn't answer. But originally the movie opened with a in

1277
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: which Chris Cooper playing this creepy child murderer is like,

1278
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: I've found God and I'm good now and you have

1279
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: to help clear my name, and she's kind of ignores him,

1280
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: and then he doesn't appear for the entire rest of

1281
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: the movie. And then at the end when they need

1282
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: someone to give the tape to, they give the tape

1283
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: to him because he deserves it. They cut it. That's

1284
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of satisfying. Test audience has had the reasonable question

1285
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: of we don't understand why Chris Cooper is in this

1286
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: movie and then not in it for the entire rest

1287
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: of the movie. It is weird because it's like, I mean,

1288
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: I and I do like when movies do that when

1289
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: they just bring in like a famous act and this

1290
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 1: is kind of like pique Chris Cooper to like American

1291
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: Beauty came out a couple of years before. This is

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: also the year he's in adaptation, like he's he's really

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01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: in his bag, and he also happens to be child

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 1: Murder uncredited, which like, I mean, I I do appreciate.

1295
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, he's not he's he's not too

1296
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: you know, there are no small roles, there's just child

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01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: Murder uncredited. And then part of the viral I did

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01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: a lot of IMDb a trivia reading. I'm sorry. Part

1299
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: of the viral campaign for this movie was they made

1300
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: a fake website that was like by this guy telling

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: the story of the ring from this character who they

1302
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: ended up cutting from the movie. Well, what a waste

1303
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: of time. But that's so fun. I love that. I want.

1304
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 1: I know, actually I don't want a whole movie about

1305
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: Chris Cooper being a child murderer. I take that back,

1306
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 1: but I like, I like that he was, that he

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01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: was technically in this movie. That's that's a treat. That's

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01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: comforting to know. Yeah, I don't again, this movie just breaks. Normally,

1309
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: if I'm watching a movie for the podcast, I'm like,

1310
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: I turn on my analytical brain and I'm like, I

1311
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 1: have so many thoughts and but not not today. I

1312
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: don't know this this movie. There is what I like

1313
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: about this movie as it does it has a lot

1314
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: of things that a lot of horror movies has, but

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: it just does it well and in a way that

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01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: makes more sense to me than usually, Like you have,

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: Like I guess Naomi Watts technically counts as a final girl,

1318
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: but she's also got a final son. She's not like,

1319
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: like you said, just if she's not running from something

1320
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: the entire time, she's actively pursuing it. And it's like,

1321
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: not in an irrational horror way, it's in all these

1322
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: ways that makes sense. Way you do have like the

1323
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: creepy child, but you get kind of like a two

1324
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: punch of like you understand why the child is creepy,

1325
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: but also you don't have to really understand why the

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01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: child is creepy. She's just inherently creepy and that's her

1327
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 1: whole thing. Um, and then creepy child number two in

1328
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: aiden right, and then the ultimate twist is that he's

1329
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: going to work for the US government and that's a

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01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: bit scary. And then we don't have to feel great

1331
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: about that. I don't know. I don't you know what

1332
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 1: are his politics? I couldn't. They're not listed on his

1333
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. Who's he voting for? We don't know that?

1334
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: Should that should be on everyone's Wikipedia page because it's

1335
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of what we want to know. It's just like,

1336
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: who's this guy? I'm just like, should I bother? Should

1337
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: I get it? Should I care? Me? There? I did

1338
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: find out here's a jump scare. My favorite cast member

1339
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: of the Chronicles of Narnia movie is now a huge

1340
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: influencer in the in the Conservative Party in England, do

1341
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, given Chronicles of Narnia, that doesn't

1342
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: surprise me, I know, but I was really rooting for

1343
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: scan Dar Keynes or whatever. The fund is not Scandar,

1344
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, but indeed Scandar. Anyway, my last thought on

1345
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: Samara that, um, this is another thing I didn't catch

1346
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: back when I was being terrified at fourteen or fifteen

1347
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: whatever it was, is what she's actually doing when she

1348
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: kills people, which seemed kind of vague the first time

1349
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: I saw it, but I realized this time they actually

1350
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: pretty clearly lay out the mechanism of how she's killing people,

1351
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: because her whole thing is she just puts scary images

1352
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: in people's heads and they die of a heart attack.

1353
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: So that's just she crawls out of her TV and

1354
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: she makes you think of scary things until you have

1355
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: a heart attack, which once you think of the mechanism,

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: it actually becomes a little less scary. But especially and

1357
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: it's like, well, it's on you if you when you

1358
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: when you rewatch the tape, I'm like, well, if you're

1359
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: that's if you're so scared of that tape that your

1360
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: heart explodes. I don't know what to tell you, buddy,

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01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: It's it's mostly b roll um. I don't think I

1362
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: even can made that connection. Oh because yeah, Rachel's sister

1363
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: question Mark Slash Katie's mom is like the actual grieving one.

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01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah right, She's like, yeah, Katie died from a heart attack,

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01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: but she was seventeen, like in good health otherwise, like

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: why did this happen? I did not connect that either,

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: And the creepy face is like I guess them being

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01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: scared to deaths at the end with the like right,

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: both times we see her doing it, they flash every

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01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: frame from the cursed tape as they die, which I

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01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: think is supposed to be like her implanting those images.

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01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just was like way more logistical

1373
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: than I think I remembered it being where I'm like, oh,

1374
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: they like laid out how she's killing people. Yeah. I

1375
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: did not make that connection. No no trace she It's

1376
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: all psychological torture um. And then it's on you. It's

1377
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: still very scary to me, even though you're like, wow,

1378
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: you thought about a ladder too hard? And then he died,

1379
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: but it's still scary. Um yeah, does anyone else else

1380
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: have um thoughts on the Ring expanded universe? I guess yeah.

1381
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean again, since I came in with broken brain,

1382
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 1: too scared to have you know, thoughtful analysis, but upon

1383
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, reflecting, and you know from this discussion it's

1384
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: a it's a female character at the center of a

1385
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: horror movie in which she is are more active than

1386
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: female characters tend to be in the horror genre. You

1387
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 1: have a female character who is the antagonist who doesn't

1388
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: have like a gendered back story the way that that

1389
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: like kind of revels in like girlhood or woman whood trauma,

1390
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: at least not in this installment apparently, right right, Um yeah,

1391
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: I guess that gets explored further. But in in this

1392
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: if you just isolate the first movie, it's just like, yeah,

1393
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: a female character who is evil in the way that

1394
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: male characters are allowed to simply be evil without any

1395
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of gendered back story. So I guess that's good

1396
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: question mark. I don't know how I feel about it,

1397
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: but you know, a subversion. I guess it's also kind

1398
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: of like ready to go into it being like I

1399
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: don't know, like because I sort of always forget that

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01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 1: Noah is a character in this, but I'm not mad

1401
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: about it. He doesn't like I. I sort of whenever

1402
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: a new male character is introduced in the same job

1403
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: as like the woman protagonist, I'm like, oh, no, now

1404
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: he's just gonna start doing things and she's not gonna

1405
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: be allowed to do any more things, because that will

1406
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: happen in movies sometimes, but that doesn't happen here. Like

1407
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: they're just sort of, uh, there's a lot of clerical

1408
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: work involved in this investigation, and she needs another set

1409
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: of hands, and uh, you know, like he he dies ultimately,

1410
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: so I was like, you know, and she had the

1411
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: foresight to be like, Noah, don't watch this tape. You

1412
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: might die, and he's like, pish posh, I'm watching it.

1413
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: It's like, what am I a scarity cat? And then

1414
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: he thought about a ladder so hard as hard exploded.

1415
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a conversation to be had

1416
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: around how did other people feel about the reveal that

1417
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: like Rachel and Noah were like former lovers and they

1418
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: had a son together and then they start to kind

1419
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: of recon their romance towards the end. I don't know,

1420
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 1: I think you could argue that that feels kind of

1421
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: wedged in, or maybe that's just an appropriate piece to

1422
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: the story. I don't really have a thought about it

1423
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: one way or the other, because again, I'm too I'm

1424
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: too busy being scared about the ladder. I mean I

1425
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: literally did not notice, right, right right, I think I

1426
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: was so focused on the scary bit. I totally did

1427
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: not notice that aspect of their relationship. It's like, it's

1428
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: very yeah, I think it's like, I think you're right

1429
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: that it could very easily be cut and changed basically nothing,

1430
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: because the kid doesn't seem particularly affected by it, Like

1431
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: just no one seems affected by that revelation, and then

1432
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: the movie just keeps going. So it just in my mind,

1433
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, was that just like a studio and then

1434
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 1: they're just like, but we're not changing the rest of

1435
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: the script. Would just have to say that Noah's the father,

1436
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: but he's only got like two days alove anyway, So um, well,

1437
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: in the way that like female characters, it's rare to

1438
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: see a female character existing in a movie, especially as

1439
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: the protagonist, if she's not also in evolved in some

1440
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of but there's not a love interest. But again

1441
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: it's it's barely noticeable for some members of the audience,

1442
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: so maybe it's not a big deal. An interesting thing

1443
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: about the gender dynamics here is that in the novel

1444
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: this is based on, which I have not read but

1445
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 1: I just read the Wikipedia of it, most of the

1446
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: roles are gender swapped. It's the protagonist is male, the

1447
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: Noah character is female, and instead of a son, he

1448
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: has a daughter. Interesting, so everyone swapped. And then Sadako

1449
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: is actually intersex in the novel. Interesting. Okay uh. I

1450
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: don't know what any of that does to the meaning

1451
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: of the story, but it is just what it is, right.

1452
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's like, I mean, as much as I

1453
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: would like more intersex characters in movies, I feel like

1454
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: Samara is maybe not an excellent candidate, especially because she's

1455
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: the villain. Extremely I think that could owed some rough

1456
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: meanings to this movie. Yeah, I I am. I think

1457
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: that the this movie's primary crime is that it was

1458
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: made kind of to just whitewash and existing Japanese movie

1459
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: that is so similar, Like it's there's like a lot

1460
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: of shot for shot moments between the two movies. But nevertheless,

1461
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: gor Verbinski persisted and that's feminism. Baby. Yeah, yeah, I

1462
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: have no. I think that's it for me. Yeah, I

1463
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: mean there, it's this movie is hard to talk about

1464
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: because we're all afraid of it. Um is what I

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Speaker 1: learned today because I've like objectively, I'm like, okay, listeners

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01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: are going to be like no, but there should be

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01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: a shoehorned in romance are like yeah, but I was scared,

1468
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 1: as my response, and it's like, okay, the horny teenager

1469
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: died immediately, I'm like yes, but in my defense, I

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01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: was so scared when that happened, and so I can't

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Speaker 1: possibly have a cogent discussion about it because it was

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01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: scary to me. Yeah. Um to advertise shutter again, they have.

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01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: I haven't watched this yet, but they have in Japan.

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01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: They made Sadako versus and I don't remember her name,

1475
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: but the girl from the Grudge. Um, so it's a

1476
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: straight up like a Freddie versus Jason movie. But it's

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01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: the Ring girl and the Grudge girl, very little girls.

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01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: And I read the Wikipedia, it's like them fighting over

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01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: who gets to haunt a house. It sounds incredible. I

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01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: haven't watched that rules I still haven't um seen the

1481
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: Grudge because my Yeah, I was just like, no, you're

1482
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: not doing this to me again. I refused to be

1483
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 1: a part of this scary little girl narrative as a

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01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: scary little girl myself. Um, I feel like the scary

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01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: little girl community has been absolutely decimated by Samara and

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01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: the Grudge Girl. Yeah okay, yeah, as as a as

1487
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: a ten year old who did not brush her hair.

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01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: We were really in the trenches during these years. Yeah,

1489
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: these movies. But I do want to watch the Grudge?

1490
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: Is that? Does the Grudge hold up in any way?

1491
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: Show I've never seen. I've never seen it. Yeah, wow, okay,

1492
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: wait come back next year. And after the after the ring,

1493
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I was like, absolutely not. Well,

1494
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: I love when we have a guest that comes on

1495
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: the show, like once a year for a very particular

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01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of we have a guest who comes on the

1497
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,919
Speaker 1: show specifically to cover the Santa Claus franchise, for example,

1498
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: Grace Freud. Uh and she's gotten so good at talking

1499
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: about So come back next year with another scary little girl.

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01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: Oh god, not the nation I want to end up in.

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01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: And then that will disappear in your Wikipedia page one. Um, yeah,

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01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: I think that's all I have to say about the

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01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: ring um. This movie does pass the Bechdel test, and

1504
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: as you prayed it out earlier, Joseph immediately between Becca

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01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: and Katie who were talking about a videotape, well, first

1506
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: they're talking about like how many television rays passed through,

1507
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: but they have a really interesting conversation about like being

1508
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 1: afraid of TVs, just like right off the bat. And

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01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: then they do talk about Katie's boyfriend Josh and like

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01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: if she if Katie fooled around with him or not,

1511
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: so they have to establish that she's she's a horny tectually,

1512
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: you don't feel bad when she does, right, that's just candy.

1513
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: And then they talk about the tape. And then later

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01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: on Rachel and Dr Grasnick speak about Samara and Anna Morgan,

1515
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: and then also Rachel talks to her sister about Katie's death,

1516
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: like there's it passes, and Rachel talks to Samara and

1517
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Samara's scary images. And then in the biggest win for feminism,

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I believe the mother murdering a daughter scene passes the back. Yes, okay,

1519
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: this is actually a feminist text. Now that we're now

1520
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: that we're getting down to the nitty gritty women are

1521
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: talking about all sorts of you know, women murdering women,

1522
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: mothers hating their daughters. Um, aunt's actively not giving a ship.

1523
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 1: What happened to their niece when her heart exploded? Earlier

1524
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: this week, question of market Like, it's just there's a

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01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of women. When women were talking to each other.

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01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't look as we've talked about in the last

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01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,560
Speaker 1: years that this show has been on the air. It

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01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be a pleasant pass. It can be

1529
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: a mean, aggressive, evil pass. Ring Ring seven days click gasp. Yeah,

1530
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: so the ring feminist text. How about our nipple scale though,

1531
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: where we rate the movie on the scale of zero

1532
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: to five nipples, nipples being kind of the same shape

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01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: as a ring when you think about it. Um, I guess,

1534
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,759
Speaker 1: uh and and uh. That scale, of course, is based

1535
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: on how the movie fares when examining it through an

1536
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens. Um. I truly don't even know where

1537
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: to begin rating this movie, because again, I had no

1538
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: analytical thoughts. I only had I don't like that this

1539
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: movie is making me feel scared, screaming and crying. Yeah, yeah,

1540
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go like two and a half I'm

1541
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: just like, oh, let's just go down the middle. Why

1542
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe even three. I don't know why

1543
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: not three? Um? And the answer is I don't know,

1544
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: answer is ring, ring, you have seven days to live.

1545
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I think I'll go two and a half, just to

1546
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: split down the middle, because that's what rating I give

1547
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: a movie when I have no idea how to analyze it. Um. Yeah, no,

1548
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: as we discussed there, there's there's interesting things that the

1549
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: movie seems to subvert, but all I also I don't

1550
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: know how to, Like, I don't know how to analyze

1551
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,560
Speaker 1: a movie that doesn't operate on logic the way that

1552
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: horror movies tend not to operate on much logic. So

1553
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: it just kind of breaks my brain. I don't really know.

1554
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: The movie isn't doing anything like overtly like reductive or

1555
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: harmful as far as I can tell, or maybe it is.

1556
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I feel like, ultimately, yeah, it's

1557
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: the if we're pitting this movie against other movies of

1558
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: that era, like the early two thousands is such a

1559
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: fucking cess pool, and so so this movie like managing

1560
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: to effectively subvert some stuff and just like have a

1561
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: really like strongly motivated central character that is like is

1562
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,919
Speaker 1: a mother, but is not like strictly defined by motherhood,

1563
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: which I feel like it's kind of hard to find

1564
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: in this genre a lot of times. In fact, there's

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01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: only a handful of scenes where you even see her

1566
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: interacting with her son. She's mostly out investigating. I would

1567
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: argue she's like not an awesome mom, but also we're

1568
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: not parents, and she's a single mom, and she doesn't exist,

1569
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 1: so there's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah, I feel

1570
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: like this I don't know, and and this movie just

1571
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: does the smart thing of just having a lot of

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01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: different women who are a lot of different ways, and

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01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 1: so it's like not making any sort of I feel like,

1574
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,879
Speaker 1: prescriptive statement. It is saying something about motherhood, but honestly,

1575
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what it isn't know what. Yeah, I

1576
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: feel like this is going to be one of those

1577
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: episodes where our listeners are like, I can't believe you

1578
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:28,799
Speaker 1: didn't talk about this obvious thing while we were scared.

1579
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: We were too scared. Then that's my real defense. We're

1580
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: screaming and crying and we only have and we can't.

1581
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,799
Speaker 1: We won't get your message, we won't get your emails,

1582
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: because we'll be dead because um um yeah, if you

1583
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: want to reach me, give me a call, ring ring,

1584
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it three nipples and and and

1585
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: and five rings and no seven rings seven, which is

1586
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: an Ariana Grande song. What is that? Everything is connected? Um? Okay, yeah,

1587
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give us seven rings, three nipples. I'm giving

1588
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: all my apples to Samara because I'm honestly rooting for

1589
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: her to get Naomi Watts's ass, and she does. I'm

1590
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: rooting for Samara to go viral and get one million

1591
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: followers or more. I will give the movie two and

1592
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: a half nipples and seven days. And I'll give all

1593
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: of that too. Becca, the other teen from the opening

1594
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: scene who is hospitalized because of the trauma of seeing

1595
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: her friend who explode died. Yeah the end, Joseph, Just

1596
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: what about you? Um? Well, On one hand, I think

1597
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: this is a very good movie, Like, I think it's

1598
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: well written and well made. On the other hand, I

1599
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: hate it and it ruined it, like made my life

1600
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 1: worse for several years after watching it in a very

1601
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: real way. Um So I think I'm also a solid

1602
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: three nipples. Um just like very good movie, I loathe

1603
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,440
Speaker 1: it and wish it hadn't been made. Yeah, Gore Verbinsky

1604
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: unnoticed for for this one and not well whatever, we

1605
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: don't have time to talk about Gore Verbinsky. Also behind

1606
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: the scenes, it is worth saying there are it's mostly

1607
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: men behind the scenes, mostly white guys. There is a

1608
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: female producer on the movie, but that was about all

1609
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: I was able to find. And uh, you gotta you

1610
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: gotta Docket for being a whitewashed remake for no reason.

1611
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 1: Right that said, this movie ruined. It sounds like everyone

1612
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 1: on the Zoom calls life and I used to do.

1613
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: And this is why horror is the genre I engage

1614
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: with the least. I do not like movies that that

1615
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 1: I feel punished by watching them, and I feel very punished.

1616
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: I do. I hate I do not like to be punished.

1617
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: I went through all this and then yeah, now, like,

1618
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 1: the reason I bring up Shutter is because it's the

1619
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: only three service I use basically anymore. Like I almost

1620
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: never watch a movie unless it's a horror movie anymore fascinating.

1621
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 1: I've been really horror pilled in the last five years.

1622
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: I am excited for Malignant, which is coming out on

1623
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: the Matreon very soon, or maybe just came out. It's best,

1624
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: the best, undisputed genius him so much so, Joseph, thank

1625
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, thank you for for

1626
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: having me, you know, solidarity and in all of us

1627
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: being tormented by this movie once again. Um, where let's

1628
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: check in in a week? Seriously? Where can people follow

1629
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: you and check out your stuff online? Plug away? Uh? Well,

1630
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: I make a podcast called Welcome to Night Fail, which

1631
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: is Welcome to Nightfail dot com. And there's also in

1632
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 1: fun about We make a bunch of other shows, um. Most.

1633
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: I also write books and I have a number of

1634
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: books out that you can find at bookstories, most notably

1635
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: for this season. I don't know when this episode is

1636
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 1: coming out, but I have a novel about Halloween called

1637
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: The Halloween Moon um that actually takes place. It takes

1638
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 1: place in Cameria, where the Ring was filmed partly, and

1639
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a middle grade novel about a little

1640
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: girl who loves not a little she's thirteen year old

1641
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 1: girl who loves Halloween until when year Halloween doesn't end

1642
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: and it just is Halloween forever. Um. So that can

1643
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: be found at bookstores and is a good read for

1644
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: the season. Cool check that out for for the Samara

1645
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: in your life. Ah, thank you so much for coving

1646
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: God Joseph, Like, I just such a big fan of

1647
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: all of your work and it's one of the reasons

1648
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: that I wanted to do podcasts. Um So, in a way,

1649
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: you've committed a crime. Dare you? And yes, come back

1650
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 1: for the grudge next year? Do I have to? This

1651
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: is the curse we place on you. Yeah, you are

1652
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: doomed to return to the Becktel Cast every year to

1653
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 1: cover a different scary kid movie and then you can

1654
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter and Instagram at becktel Cast. You

1655
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: can check out our Matreon at patreon dot com slash

1656
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: betel Cast, where we cover two bonus episodes a month

1657
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: and you also have access to the entire back catalog.

1658
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: This month we are doing Malignant, as we mentioned in

1659
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Final Destination three Baby, the scariest one, the one that

1660
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 1: I liked the most and apparently you like the most

1661
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: because our matrons voted for that. You can also get

1662
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 1: some merch over at t public dot com slash the

1663
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. It's beetle Juice season. Tis this season to

1664
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: talk about if beetle juice comes wet scabs or dry

1665
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: scalps something to always be having on your mind and ultimately,

1666
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 1: I think our most impactful um contribution to the discoorse discourse.

1667
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Indeed so And with that ring ring, ringing hello and goodbye,

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01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: Click perfect stuck the landing, Bye bye,