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Speaker 1: Got about eight hours worth of stuff, will squeeze it

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Speaker 1: into four and let me just start by saying we're

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Speaker 1: thirteen dollars away from as good a doubleheader as I

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Speaker 1: can recall in recent years, with multiple storylines all over

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Speaker 1: the map, you'd think that the Chiefs going for a

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Speaker 1: three peat is a big enough storyline. How about the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills still looking to win their first Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: I think perhaps they are truly America's team, not the

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Speaker 1: full America's team. The other team's America's team too. That's

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Speaker 1: because half the nation hates them. And then, of course,

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Speaker 1: over in the NFC, the Philadelphia Eagles continue to be

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Speaker 1: a story. But what has become another story that you

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Speaker 1: cannot ignore? And that's what Dick Schapp always told me

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Speaker 1: to do is root for the story. And before I

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Speaker 1: set this up, let me just say this about this.

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Speaker 1: As Richard Dixon once said, people often ask me, as

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Speaker 1: is a better Do you have any advice? And I

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Speaker 1: always say yes, money management. Do not endanger your bankroll.

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Speaker 1: That's number one. Bet within your limits. Your bets should

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Speaker 1: never be more than three percent of what your bankroll is.

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Speaker 1: So if you've budgeted, say one thousand dollars for the

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Speaker 1: entire NFL season, you shouldn't be betting more than thirty

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Speaker 1: thirty five dollars a game unless you want to endanger

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Speaker 1: your bankroll. That's a fact. What people like to do

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Speaker 1: though when they come to Vegas is better little to

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Speaker 1: win a lot. It almost never works. This place started

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Speaker 1: with one casino. Every year, the chandeliers seem to get

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Speaker 1: a little nicer. You get my drift. However, if you

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Speaker 1: had the foresight, you had the prescience, you had the

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Speaker 1: prognosticating capabilities to foresee what the Washington Commandos were going

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Speaker 1: to do this year, then you, my friend, are riding high.

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Speaker 1: The commandos, well, they are the lone big dog in

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Speaker 1: the field, and if you glomb down to them, back

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Speaker 1: in August. I don't want to say they were a

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Speaker 1: sitting in one hundred and fifty one odds to win

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Speaker 1: let's give this some perspective. Has to what the commanders

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Speaker 1: what still lies before them. This is so rare in

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Speaker 1: the ninth team in history, in history listed at one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to one or longer, just to make

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Speaker 1: they're only the fourth team in NFL history to be

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That was a nineteen ninety nine, Kurt

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Speaker 1: the pattern here. Now, Jaden Daniels might very well make

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Speaker 1: Now another road game at Philadelphia here in about thirteen hours.

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Speaker 1: The Commandos will be the eighth team since two thousand

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Speaker 1: Who else has done it? The twenty one Chiefs got

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Speaker 1: the NFL's longest straight up win winning streak right now

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Speaker 1: the hit period continues. Six Seeds, well, the Commandos are

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Speaker 1: They're two and seven straight up, three and six against

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Speaker 1: You get it. The point is, when you're seeing this

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to give a lot more breakdown and

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Speaker 1: away from the first of a header, the Commandos and Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Springing a gentleman who's been a fixture on my show.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Joe, Bernie? How's it going tonight?

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Speaker 1: Good? So this is the big, big, big weekend, And

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Speaker 1: I think that's all fair and well stated. And I

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Speaker 3: For a couple of reasons. Hoculy and Martin ranked one

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Speaker 1: All right, Washington's defense is not great, but it's opportunistic

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Speaker 1: that and try to knock you know, Jalen Hurts out

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Speaker 1: or checked that jail. Yeah, Jalen Hurts out of the game.

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Speaker 3: Well, if he's running, he's fair game. So they'd be

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Speaker 3: crazy enough to take a shot at him, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeap, All right, let's let's okay. Maybe he starts to

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Speaker 1: duck out of it and then you run into one

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Speaker 1: of these penalties. A game which Washington or checked that

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia could be the beneficiarya of.

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Speaker 3: It could be is not a big I'll be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, Bunny, as far as beneficiar, you're roughing the

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Speaker 3: possip penalty. That's really not one of those guys. I

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Speaker 3: think the referees kind of look at him, whether intentionally

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Speaker 3: or not, as almost a runner, and so he doesn't

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Speaker 3: get the calls and some of the other guys have

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Speaker 3: throughout the calls of his career.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the chase. You like the

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Speaker 1: Eagles to win the game, then.

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Speaker 3: I like Philly. I've liked them all through the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: but they've been They've been their own worst enemy at times,

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Speaker 3: like they dominated Green Bay, yet they let them hang around.

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Speaker 3: And last week against the Rams, Philly really had the

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Speaker 3: game under control with five minutes left, yet you looked

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Speaker 3: up and late, and the Rams have a chance to win.

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Speaker 3: If Billy puts a complete game together, they should early

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Speaker 3: on the week. I like Washington, but more I think

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Speaker 3: about it, Billy should win this game and win you

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Speaker 3: by double digits.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel. No to just a second, Joe,

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Speaker 1: because we've been around together about fifteen years. Look to

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Speaker 1: take off your referee hat and put on your your

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Speaker 1: handicapping hat. You look for string versus weak. As a

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Speaker 1: name capping, Washington's run defense ranks thirtieth. Philly's offensive line,

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Speaker 1: you're bludge in them. If sae Quon Barkley could run

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Speaker 1: for two h five against the Rams, you gotta believe

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get his opportunities tomorrow, which a little put

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Speaker 1: on passing lanes. I think it's a bad matchup for Washington.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what happened in the previous two games.

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Speaker 1: I think Philly is gonna be able to run, run, run,

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Speaker 1: run the ball.

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Speaker 3: Everything you say is true, Bunny. But like I said, Philly,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, they don't seem to finish these games

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Speaker 3: off even though they're dominated, and for some reason opponents

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Speaker 3: hang around in the ball. That's my concern. But yes,

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Speaker 3: I do like Philly. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How about the fact that Washington's playing their fourth road

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Speaker 1: game in a role and you've got a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: playing in his fifth straight road game. This is you're

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Speaker 1: starting to seriously defy the odds here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are the one thing that The one benefit

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Speaker 3: to Washington I guess would be they did get that

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Speaker 3: extra day. That means much. But that's the only thing

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Speaker 3: that I can say in their advantage in that respective.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the game that I got

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Speaker 1: to believe has a chance to just be an epic

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Speaker 1: game for the obvious storylines. Either Chiefs are on their

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Speaker 1: way to try to three peak or Buffalo is on

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Speaker 1: their way to try to win their first one. It's

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Speaker 1: been thirty one years since he We're in the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl by now. Everybody's see in The Four Falls of

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Speaker 1: Buffalo on ESPN thirty for thirty. It's a spectacular piece

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Speaker 1: of journalism. I never get tired of watching it. So

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Speaker 1: let's open up with the fact that clet Blakeman is

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Speaker 1: the head of this crew. Give us your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: him and in this game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, in the off them off of last week

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Speaker 3: with the Texans and the debacle that happened at Arrowhead

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Speaker 3: sating would be officiating. The NFL kind of found himself

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Speaker 3: in a tough spot and they needed a referee that

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Speaker 3: would at least quieten the prochets, you know, officiating angle

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Speaker 3: in the lead up to this game. Well, they needed

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Speaker 3: someone to fill the void, and that was Cleete Blakeman.

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Speaker 3: And I can tell you right now it wasn't by

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Speaker 3: accident that he was assigned to this particular game. Because

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Speaker 3: I ran through every referee and you have seventeen options.

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Speaker 3: He was the one guy who really checked the bucks

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Speaker 3: in every category that would put forth the narrative that

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Speaker 3: this is not favoritism for the Chiefs. And I'll give

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Speaker 3: you some examples Blakeman. The home teams were an NFL

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Speaker 3: worst five and eleven with Clif Blakeman this season. Since

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, home teams are only forty six point five

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Speaker 3: percent against the spread with Blakeman. The Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 3: in the Patrick Mahomes era are five and six straight

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Speaker 3: up with CLIEFE. Blakeman. The Buffalo Bills conversely at six

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Speaker 3: and two with Cliff Lakeman, and Blakeman's crew leads the

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Speaker 3: league with fifty three point five percent of their overall

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Speaker 3: penalties called on the home team. So you add all

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Speaker 3: this up, there is absolutely no way that anybody can

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Speaker 3: say there's favoritism for the Chiefs going into this game

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Speaker 3: with him as the head referee to there's his starting point.

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Speaker 3: As far as the crew itself, obviously, you've got Blakeman

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Speaker 3: on that line of Screamy Jerry. You got Blakeman, two

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Speaker 3: Short Hockiley officials, and then a Shawan Smith, a member

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Speaker 3: of the Shawn Smith officiating crew. And so this is

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Speaker 3: important in the aftermath of the last week with unnecessary

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Speaker 3: roughness roughing the posit penalties. Blakeman's crew led the league

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Speaker 3: for unnecessary roughness this season. Is Shawan Smith crew, which

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Speaker 3: has a member on this right number one last year

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Speaker 3: and they rec number five this season. And then Hoculey's crew.

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned in the previous game. They love calling

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Speaker 3: roughing the passa So you've got both those penalties covered

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Speaker 3: them every angle with this makeup of the crew covering

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Speaker 3: the trenches. So now it comes down to whether they

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Speaker 3: call it or not tomorrow. I don't know what you think, Bernie,

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Speaker 3: but my opinion is they try to let them play.

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Speaker 1: They let him play. You're gonna let I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna let him play. And you got two pretty disciplined

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Speaker 1: to go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the league wants to sort of squash

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Speaker 3: this whole narrative. I think they're going to let him

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Speaker 3: get away with a lot more than what we would

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Speaker 3: have come to expect. That's my opinion. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 3: We can get out of there tomorrow and those flagstop wine.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, here's the thing. You've got two prolific quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if you commit a penalty, it's like

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Speaker 1: giving the other team free offensive yardage. Right, If you

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Speaker 1: commit eighty yards and penalties in a game, that's like

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Speaker 1: handing the other team eighty yards of offense. Look, Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: this is where the dude lives. You know, Joe. That

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Speaker 1: in the cumulative number of AFC championship games he's played in,

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Speaker 1: which is six. He's throwing two hundred and fifty three

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Speaker 1: passes and only eighteen of them have been incomplete. He's

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Speaker 1: doing for eighteen hundred yards, fifteen touchdowns, two interceptions. He's

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Speaker 1: got a passer rating cumulatree of one twelve point one.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Chiefs haven minute a turnover

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Speaker 1: in their last eight games. This is where they live.

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Speaker 1: I got the Chiefs winning and covering, whether they win

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Speaker 1: by three, whether they win by six. Pick your poison.

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Speaker 1: I just can't. It's going to be chalk tomorrow the

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Speaker 1: way I see it. What's your prediction? Take off your

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Speaker 1: ref at, put on your handicapping hat. What do you

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Speaker 1: like in that game?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, Bunny on this one. It's just

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Speaker 3: you know, I've seen Kansas City do this time and

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Speaker 3: time again in these spots. Conversely, I've seen Buffalo in

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Speaker 3: the regular season. Yeah, they look great and they win

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Speaker 3: these games, but when it really counts in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: they always come up shorts. And what makes you think

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Speaker 3: that's going to change tomorrow. I don't be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see Buffalo win the game like I

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Speaker 3: would but I don't see it happening. I didn't see

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Speaker 3: it in the cards. Like you said. The Chiefs, they've

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Speaker 3: been here, they know how to win these games. Buffalo doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Buffalo's going to show it to me until I stopped

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Speaker 3: believing in them million percent.

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Speaker 1: They're in the Shelby State. So good stuff is always Joe,

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Speaker 1: two weeks from tonight will be Super Bowl leave and

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Speaker 1: that weekend, you know, we got to get you on

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Speaker 1: to get your get a brief segment on the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl referee layout and all that good stuff. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: your efforts. Show, keep up the great word, Bud. Thanks, Ernnie,

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Speaker 1: have a good night show Gibbs. Follow him at NFL

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Speaker 1: ref Stats one and there you have it. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, this thing with mahomes at home, forget it man.

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Speaker 1: When you take him off the road, he's pretty tough

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Speaker 1: to beat. In January and February in his career, fifteen

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Speaker 1: to two straight up, and his only losses were Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow and Tom Brady. By the way, after Halloween, he's

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Speaker 1: forty forty three and six straight up at home, all right,

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Speaker 1: playoffs saturdayl straight up and against the spread, and when

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Speaker 1: he's favored to lesson a field goal. They're laying two

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Speaker 1: and a half, all right, need I say more? Coming

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Speaker 1: up some final thoughts, food for thought, and again later

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Speaker 1: in the show, much later in the show, I'll have

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Speaker 1: a much more in depth analysis on some betting angles

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Speaker 1: and things. But coming up, just some knickknacks, some food

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Speaker 1: for thought on the two teams on the on the

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Speaker 1: two games yet to be played that will decide who

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl entrants will be. By the way, football fans,

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Speaker 1: be sure to tune into Fox Sports Radio every Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning beginning at ten am Eastern seventy am Pacific for

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Speaker 1: Contdown to Kickoff, presented by bet MGM, Brian No, Jeff Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: Three hours before kickoff? Every Sunday morning, listen to Countdown

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. I'm Bernie Frattle.

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Speaker 1: We are coming to you live from the Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: right here. You're listening to the Bernie Frattle Show on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 1: We're back at the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: Comedy live from the TAIRAC dot Com studios here in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Just getting started will take you up to

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Speaker 1: three am Pacific six am Eastern. A lot of football

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Speaker 1: stuff tonight, but we're gonna get to it all, as

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Speaker 1: we always do. Some more food for thought as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to the NFC AFC Championship Games, which kick off

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Speaker 1: here now in just a little over twelve hours with

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Speaker 1: Philly and Washington leading off the festivities. No one likes cliches.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's been cliche over the years that write NFL

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Speaker 1: teams who win the turnover battle win the game roughly

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of the time, But interestingly enough in the

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Speaker 1: postseason this season there's a bit of a sea change.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: It should also be noted that if you win the

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Speaker 1: turnover battle in the postseason, those teams have been nearly unbeatable,

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Speaker 1: all right, teams in these playoffs seven and zero when

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Speaker 1: winning the turnover battle, and they're twenty two and one

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty three games. The lone exception came

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Speaker 1: last year when the Chiefs, who turn it over just once,

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Speaker 1: beat the Bills, who didn't turn it over at all.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the final four heading into Sunday,

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Speaker 1: heading in later today, Kansas City, Buffalo, Philadelphia, and Washington

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Speaker 1: have combined for fifteen takeaways in the postseason against zero turnovers.

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Speaker 1: None of the teams playing tomorrow have turned the ball

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Speaker 1: over yet during the postseason, yet they've combined for fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do. Because when you got teams

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Speaker 1: that have mastered the art of taking away the ball

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Speaker 1: and stealing it back and taking care of the ball

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Speaker 1: and then stealing it back, well it's a recipe for success.

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Speaker 1: But all four teams events success in that area. Now

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Speaker 1: give it up to the Bills. They committed only eight

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Speaker 1: turnovers the entire season. That ties for the fewest ever,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't lost the turnover battle in twenty one

644
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Speaker 1: consecutive games. It goes all the way back to December

645
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Speaker 1: of last season. Oh, by the way, the Chiefs have

646
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: gone eight straight games without a turnover. That's the longest

647
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Speaker 1: streak of the Super Bowl era. The last time the

648
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Chiefs turned it over well coincidentally ironically against the Bills

649
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Speaker 1: in Week eleven, when they lost their first game of

650
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Speaker 1: the season. Now, as far as the Eagles and Commandos.

651
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Speaker 1: They both combined to record six plus takeaways in the

652
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Speaker 1: postseason zero turnovers. They've both played two playoff games. The

653
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Speaker 1: only two teams in NFL history to have ever done

654
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Speaker 1: that were the nineteen ninety eight Broncos in the two

655
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Speaker 1: thousand and four Patriots. Both of them went on to

656
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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Now hear what I'm saying. The

657
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: Eagles and Commanders zero turnovers in the first two playoff

658
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Speaker 1: games that they both each team recorded more than six

659
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: takeaways combined in those games. The ninety eight Broncos and

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00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: John Ewie into two thousand and four Patriots and Tom

661
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: Brady Bill Belichick did it. The only two teams to

662
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: do it, they both won the Super Bowl. Well, the

663
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: Eagles and Commanders both can't win the Super Bowl, so

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Speaker 1: something has to give. Josh Allen been spectacular less than

665
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: a one percent interception rate, Jalen Hurts a one percent

666
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: interception rate, Patrick Mahomes a one point one percent interception rate,

667
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: have three of the four fewest interception rates in playoff

668
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: history as long as you've attempted more than two hundred passes.

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Speaker 1: And Jayden Daniels might be the best rookie ever, my gut,

670
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: my goodness, what can't this guy do? I can't wait

671
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: for noon on Sunday. So there's enough data for you

672
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: to keep it interesting. You heard Joe talk about teams

673
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: that have a rest advantage. The Commandos actually have that.

674
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: They played last Saturday, the Eagles played Sunday. Teams with

675
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: the rest advantage are twenty six and sixteen straight up,

676
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: and they win by an average of two points. Now

677
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: this year, I don't know that that plays because the

678
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Commanders are going on the road and they're going into

679
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: a tough environment there in Philadelphia. Here's another thing, underdogs.

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00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: You get two underdogs Sunday. Underdogs are five and five

681
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: straight up and seven and three entering conference championship week

682
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. It's the fifth straight postseason where the

683
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: underdogs have gone five hundred or better, which complies that

684
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: you might see one road team win Sunday. But the

685
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Speaker 1: typical there's only been a few playoff campaigns where you

686
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: know underdogs at least one underdog, you know one, and

687
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: it's been a few years. You got to go back

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00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: to twenty seventeen. So look, we're coming off of regular season.

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00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: To remember, for favorites, just don't remind the bookmaker of that,

690
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: because they got hammered this year. Right overall favorites entered

691
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, they covered seventy two percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: That's the third best in the National Football League in

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Speaker 1: forty five years. You've heard me say it a thousand times.

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Speaker 1: We'll say it one more. I like both favorites on Sunday,

695
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Speaker 1: but you still got to play the games coming up

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Speaker 1: Medina Magic, we talk NBA. Keep it locked. You're listening

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: We covered all here on the Bernie Fraddle Show. And

707
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, oh, the NBA storylines are heating up or

708
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: coming up on All Star weekend. The trade deadline in

709
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: about ten days, and before you know what, the playoffs

710
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: will be here, and I'm sure we won't get enough

711
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: out of Lebron. He's gonna not stop talking. And that's

712
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Speaker 1: why three words. It's that time, Mark Medina Medina Magic

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Speaker 1: every Saturday night, twelve midnight Pacific. Here in the Bernie

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Speaker 1: Frattle Show. Mark Madena is, in fact our Fox Sports

715
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Radio NBA guru covers it all very much as his

716
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse. Mark. I say it every time

717
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Speaker 1: when I sign off, what's the news cycle gonna bring us?

718
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Speaker 1: And here we've got a plethro I'm gonna start with

719
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Speaker 1: the irrepressible Jimmy Butler. Oh what a sly dog. What

720
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Speaker 1: do you want to bet at Nickel that missing that

721
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Speaker 1: flight was completely planned in a complete contrivance, Am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Trivy, Everything Chivvy Butler does is always calculated, So yeah,

723
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Speaker 4: pre planned, And I think that this is the end

724
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Speaker 4: of it. I think the other thing we have to

725
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Speaker 4: keep in mind is what the Suns do with the jazz,

726
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Speaker 4: with the training or collecting some more draft picks. They

727
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: are hoarding up to try to make this Jimmy Butler

728
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Speaker 4: deal possible. So I think we can. I'll guarantee this

729
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler is gonna end up with the Phoenix Suns.

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Speaker 4: We don't know who or how many, but there's gonna

731
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Speaker 4: be multiple teams involved, so that Bradley Beal can find

732
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Speaker 4: a place, but Jimmy Butler will be in a Sun's uniform.

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Speaker 1: Well that's interesting, you see that, because that's the team

734
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Speaker 1: he wants to go to. So all this Michigan SOA,

735
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: all this crazy behavior, it's going to be rewarded.

736
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Speaker 4: Well, look, I don't think the Heater doing this to

737
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Speaker 4: make Jimmy Buler happy. They're going to do it to

738
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Speaker 4: make sure they get assets in returning. So with that,

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Speaker 4: you know, it sound like the Heater taking back Bradley Beal. Now,

740
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 4: in fairness, Bradley Beal has a new trade clause, and

741
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Speaker 4: I think that unless the Heat we're willing to continue

742
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: to accommodate, that he would decline it as well. But

743
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: they're not acquiescing so much that they're saying, you know, well,

744
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 4: we're going to take someone like Bradley Beal who's a

745
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: talented player but probably not a good fit because of

746
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: his durability history. And they already have Pywer heroes a

747
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 4: point guard. So yeah, that's why teams will get involved

748
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: and Miami will still try to ensure the best outcome

749
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Speaker 4: for them, But as far as Jimmy and any idea

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Speaker 4: that this could be patched up and that ship sailed.

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Speaker 1: And you explain that well, and I certainly get that.

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00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: I just what I said was really kind of half

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Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. They want to move on from them, right,

754
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: be done with them, which sort of makes what Phoenix

755
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Speaker 1: did Tuesday night wonder if it's you know, it's a

756
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: clue and that what they did. They sent their only

757
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Speaker 1: tradable first round pick, which is an onother the way

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Speaker 1: till twenty thirty one, to Utah in exchange for three

759
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Speaker 1: future first round picks. Is this a portent to line

760
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Speaker 1: this up as draft capital they can give Miami to

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Speaker 1: priam away that's plan.

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Speaker 4: I mean, nothing is guaranteed, but they made a step

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Speaker 4: in a signal that they're trying to collect assets to

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Speaker 4: then flip it in a part of the deal. Because

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Speaker 4: before that, the Suns weren't going to be able to

766
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Speaker 4: make this happen because Bradley Beal again has a no

767
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: trade clause that he don't really want them anyway. So

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Speaker 4: what do they have the value that they can give up,

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Speaker 4: and so I think, when you're looking at this connecting

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Speaker 4: the dots, what the Suns have in value now for

771
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Speaker 4: what Miami wants as draft picks. But here, here's the

772
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Speaker 4: thing about Miami. They don't do rebuilds. They want to

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Speaker 4: still be a playoff contender. So where can they find

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Speaker 4: players that will not only max Jimmy Butler's salary, but

775
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Speaker 4: also make sure they're still in the playoff mix. That's

776
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Speaker 4: where teams will get involved. Who knows which teams get involved.

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Speaker 4: I mean you would think maybe because Chicago is talking about,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe trading Zach Lavine, that he's a part

779
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: of the mix. But I very much doubt that Chicago

780
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: is going to get to that point of making Nicole

781
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Speaker 4: Vusivi Orzach will being available in any trade because for

782
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Speaker 4: Petter and for worse, Chicago in the last three years

783
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Speaker 4: have not made trade deadline news. They still have moves.

784
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Speaker 4: They still have this belief that I have. Only they

785
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Speaker 4: make a plan tournament or the playoffs, they can make

786
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Speaker 4: some noise. So I'm getting at is, I don't know

787
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Speaker 4: who the third team will be, But you know, the

788
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: trade deadline's not until February sixth. I believe February seventh,

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Speaker 4: so they're still is time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is talker Mark Medina, Medina magic all right

791
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Speaker 1: to that end. It must be January. It stopped me

792
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Speaker 1: if you've heard this before. But Lebron becomes more of

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Speaker 1: a bost and expressive to the media about the current

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Speaker 1: state of the Lakers, and he leaves these not so

795
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: subtle messages. I'm sure they're aimed at the front office

796
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Speaker 1: and named look at me, help me now, Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: to China and they will say, quote, they're concerned about

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Speaker 1: the Lakers' plans. I don't think the Lakers going to

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Speaker 1: make any moves. Am I wrong?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: I think that they're We'll see. But I think the

802
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: thing that we have to distinguish here is that the

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Speaker 4: Lakers are going to try to make moves. Here is

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Speaker 4: the gray area and where the Lakers and Lebron and

805
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: AD are all line. They want to maximize their championship window.

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Speaker 4: That's the end goal. Here's where it gets complicated. Can

807
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: I even make a deal that gets them to that goal?

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00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: They don't want to give up so much roster depth.

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Speaker 4: That's just Lebron, AD and the minimum guys. Even if

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Speaker 4: they get a third star because they saw with Russell

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Speaker 4: Westbrook the third star formo doesn't work even want to

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Speaker 4: count for a possibly different kind of player. So that's

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Speaker 4: point number one. Point number two. You know they're willing

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Speaker 4: to trade their three draft picks. It's not like any

815
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Speaker 4: of their role players are untouchable, but they're looking at

816
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Speaker 4: for this. If this move only makes them marginally better

817
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Speaker 4: with improving their win count by a few games, what's

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Speaker 4: the point in that. And so that's where the rubber

819
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Speaker 4: meets the road here and gets complicated. I don't fault

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Speaker 4: Lebron in eighty for wanting more help. We've seen this season,

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Speaker 4: even with the win against Stay tonight, you know, having

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Speaker 4: a pretty good win against Boston. They're an up and

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Speaker 4: down team, and so I don't faulte them for wanting

824
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Speaker 4: to be aggressive. But I do understand that you do

825
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 4: have the instinct si roll because every year Lebron James

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Speaker 4: offers not so appointed criticism or messages to the front

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Speaker 4: office about doing things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want him. I don't blame them for

829
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Speaker 1: wanting to bolster their roster. That's to like the way

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Speaker 1: Lebron carries himself in create the media. I don't care,

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Speaker 1: and they let's Mark, let's say they put you and

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Speaker 1: I in charge of the Lakers tomorrow. We had a

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Speaker 1: little caucus, all right, I'm going to look at you

834
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Speaker 1: and say, we're a tough spot, dude. If we trade

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Speaker 1: our first or checkout, if we trade the two first

836
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Speaker 1: round picks, which aren't until twenty nine to thirty one,

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Speaker 1: to get Lebron some supplemental help, only to see him

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Speaker 1: retire after next year. We're morging in the future for

839
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Speaker 1: the sake of the next two years. And they're not

840
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Speaker 1: going to win a champion chap for the next two

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Speaker 1: years unless they can trade for Nikola Yokich or somebody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the thing here, you know, even they're

843
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: not going to get a star player because they don't

844
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: have enough assets to do it. But think about someone

845
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: like Cam Johnson with the Brooklyn Nets. Either a great

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Speaker 4: freeing dy player. You can't have too many of those

847
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: in today's NBA, permitter defenders, guys who can make outside shots.

848
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Speaker 4: But that is the ultimate looks test. If they get

849
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Speaker 4: Cam Johnson, they trade let's just say, hypothetically, their draft

850
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Speaker 4: picks and let's say one of their role players or

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00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 4: two does that dramatically change things as far as their

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00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: championship window. I think it'll improve it as far as

853
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: their playoff positioning, but I don't think it's fundamentally changes

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00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: their trajectory. So that's where it's tough. So to the

855
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 4: original point, why I think the Lakers will make a

856
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: move if I had a guess, I think no. But

857
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 4: they're certainly going to mine every kernel here because that's

858
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 4: how they want to be with just being persistent, aggressive,

859
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 4: making sure no stone is unturned. But their assets are

860
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 4: lacks thereof kind of speaks for itself.

861
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: So just to put a kapper on this particular subject,

862
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: Chicago is willing to move zach Lavine the Lakers. Interestingly enough,

863
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: we're previously interested in zach Lavine, but since the injury,

864
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: does that pretty much set sail on that potential trade.

865
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 5: No.

866
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 4: I think Jack Lavine's been a lot more durable this season,

867
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: and that's that might actually make it more complicated on

868
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: the Bulls appetating actually trading Zack Wi fine, but let's

869
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 4: just say lean into February sixth, it's very clear Fulls

870
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: are part of you the beat in the play and mix.

871
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: You may as well just start you know, investing in

872
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 4: their young guys and start the rebuilding processes. They already

873
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: traded to Margaro's and Alex Crusa last summer. I don't

874
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: think the Lakers would be interested, not because of concerns

875
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: about the durability. I think it's just about concerned terms

876
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: of what you would be giving up. And again, the

877
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 4: formula of roster depth is much more effective around Lebron

878
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: James Anthony Davis than it would be a third star.

879
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: I think the same thing would be applicable to the Warriors.

880
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: I think that they should be interested in Zaqulabem, but

881
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: I think that the Bulls would be asking so much

882
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: like Jonathan Kaminga and you know, maybe Andrew Wiggins and

883
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: draft picks that they think, you know what, even if

884
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: we want to maximize Steph Curry's window, we'd also don't

885
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: want to have an empty cupboard. So that's that's where

886
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: the thing gets complicated. But I think in the Bulls case,

887
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 4: we'll get to more complicated. Unlike last season where they

888
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 4: did try to find a market for him but they

889
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 4: couldn't because of his injuries, he's playing a lot better

890
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: this season and he's a lot more healthier or he's

891
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: a lot healthier.

892
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Yep. So talking with Mark Medina Medina Magic every Saturday

893
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: night here Fox Sports Radio. Are Fox Sports Radio NBA Guru.

894
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: All Right, I've had a lot fun with this on

895
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: my Friday night show with my callers Lebron and BROWNI

896
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: have turned down an invitation to participate in the skills

897
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: challenge at the NBA All Star Game. Now, at the

898
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: risk of being a Q cynical, I won't give the

899
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: reasons why I believe they turned it. Well, thank you,

900
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: I will as I did so quite vehemently last night,

901
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: and we had a lot of fun with my callers. Look,

902
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: deep down, Lebron knows his kid can't play. He's got

903
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: to know that if his name was Eddie Gazinski, he

904
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the Lakers roster. So where am I

905
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: going with this? I don't think he wants to be embarrassed.

906
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to put him on. I

907
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: joke last off is what I say. How about a

908
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: skills competition Bronni versus Caitlyn Clark. Lebron never misses a

909
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: chance to be in the spotlight. But moreover, Bronni also

910
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: turned down a chance to be as part of the

911
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: All Star Game, the G League All Star Game. What's

912
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: the reason lebron Dave for turning this down?

913
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: Well, before I answer the question, weren't you impressed Brownie

914
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: James's poster Duncan his last G League game?

915
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: That was a well I was going to go to

916
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: that next. I understand he scored thirty one points two

917
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: nights ago. He's been quiet for a long time. He's

918
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: only played about seven.

919
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: Or eight games Rothered. When Brownie James was playing a

920
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 4: mop up Dodo and they get so excited before he

921
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: takes a shot hasn't gone in yet. But the excitement though, well.

922
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I covered the two thousand

923
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: and four Pistons and fans always got excited when the

924
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: human Cigar Human Victory Cigar Doco Milchits would take the floor.

925
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: He could actually play. It was just a bad matchup

926
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: with Larry Brown and someday off off air, I'll tell

927
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: you the whole story. And he used to hang out

928
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: in the bar and flint and have funny. He wasn't

929
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: even twenty one. But yeah, I mean, look, I did

930
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: all that. I like Bronnie James, but just with respect

931
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: to staying on the question why would he turn that down?

932
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, in all seriousness, you're going to disagree with this.

933
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: But knowing Lebron James as a proud father and who

934
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 4: he is, he does think his son can play. I

935
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 4: don't think that's the reason why they turn it down.

936
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: I think the reason why they turned it down is

937
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: they don't feel like it's going to be more of

938
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 4: a punchline than a cool father son moment. They had

939
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: the cool father son moment. Depending on how you feel

940
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: when they shared the court, you know, some liked it,

941
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: some didn't. I think that novelty is not going to

942
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: be as strong with a skills challenge, which is almost

943
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 4: largely ignored on Saturday night anyway, So I think, well,

944
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be ignored. But I think, knowing how Lebron's thinking,

945
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: I think that his awareness is that it wouldn't be

946
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 4: It would be seen more as a joke than another

947
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: cool father son moment.

948
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 1: I think that, well the irony in there in lies

949
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: the ultimate irony. So first one was the joke. This

950
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: one Lebron orchestrated that whole dance thing, even tried to

951
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: draw comparison between Ken Graffy Junior and Ken Graffy Senior.

952
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: This one, they've actually been invited. He didn't invite himself

953
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: on this one. There in lies the irony. This wouldn't

954
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: be seen as a joke, because what if Ronnie went

955
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: out there and showed out and made fools of all

956
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: of us, including me, and won the damn thing. Yeah,

957
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: I mean he's backing down to me from a real

958
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of scrape some of the muck off

959
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: this whole story.

960
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. And again you're going to disagree

961
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 4: with Lebron's thought process, but here is where there is

962
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 4: agreement that there is the thought that if they don't win,

963
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 4: they're up for screening. But I don't think it's so

964
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: much that, oh, this is going to expose Brony and

965
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: not playing. Well, maybe it exposes Lebron himself, Like if

966
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: he doesn't win the skills competition, he gets you know,

967
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 4: made fun of. As you know, hey, he's one of

968
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 4: these all time great players. He's having a record, another

969
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 4: All Star appearance as a starter. All those things are

970
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 4: positive of them. He can't win the skills competition. I

971
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 4: think that's where it is. It's almost the same thought

972
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: process when you look at the lack of participation in

973
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 4: the dunk contest, after you know initial stars participate, they think, okay,

974
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: if I'm not going to do well, what's the added

975
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 4: benefit here, Let's save myself from that scrurtiny and just.

976
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: Call it a And interestingly enough, I never questioned Lebron's

977
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: lack of desire. He's never participated in in a dunk contest.

978
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: He's got other fish to fry. Yeah, you know, I mean,

979
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. It's just I thought, okay, here's

980
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: if Lebron, if Bron, no one's going to make fun

981
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: of the guy, if he goes out there and gives

982
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: an effort, and this is sort of a legitimate competition.

983
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: I just think Lebron, I think he was afraid he's

984
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna be embarrassed. And I will see it doesn't really matter.

985
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: Now it's water under the bridge. And I guess, you know,

986
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: this whole saga will continue. I don't know, I don't

987
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: know where they hell it ends up. And I don't

988
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: know how many more years that Brownie plays or Lebron

989
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: plays Briani for that matter, But I guess, I guess

990
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: we'll just have to see, Uh, talk with Mark Wadina

991
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: Medina Magic every Saturday night. Look the Clippers, is it

992
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: my imagination or cause they might? They might be good

993
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: this year if they can stay healthy.

994
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 4: I mean they aren't good.

995
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: They had I'm talking about getting the second third round

996
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, that type of thing.

997
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, now that's the ultimate question. I still have my doubts.

998
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 4: I was at the Clippers game tonight against the Milwaukee Bucks.

999
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 4: I beat him a ten points. James Ward dropped forty points.

1000
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 4: Even though Damian Lillard had a triple double, Jonathansa Cooper

1001
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: had thirty six points. They dominated because they forced you know,

1002
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 4: they want on the margins and forcing a lot of

1003
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 4: turnovers out hustling them. So to your broader point about

1004
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: the Clippers, they've definitely exceeded my expectations and obviously helps

1005
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 4: that Kawhi Leonard's back on the floor. But you know,

1006
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: I did not expect that they would be, you know,

1007
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: a sixth seed. I thought that they would be a

1008
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 4: team that's in the Plans Tournament. To their credit, even

1009
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season, they thought, yeah, they

1010
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 4: can be reckoned with Now to your point, where do

1011
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: they rank among the top of the West. It's still

1012
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 4: the Oklahoma City Thunder. I don't think that the Clippers

1013
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 4: can surpassed teams like the Grizzlies and Nuggets. So I

1014
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 4: think what's going to happen is we either see a

1015
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 4: battle of La you know, flip a cooyn on who

1016
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 4: has home court advantage as far as into a dumb

1017
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 4: crypto dot com arena. Or we see the Clippers being

1018
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 4: able to face someone and get as far as the

1019
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 4: second round, but they're ceiling a second round because the

1020
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 4: West is so stacked. And also you just can't discount,

1021
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 4: you know, injury concerns with Kawhi, Leonard Unt a lesser extent,

1022
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 4: James Harden. But for all their controllables, everything has been good.

1023
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: Kawhi has been good since he's back, even on Man's restrictions.

1024
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: James Harden and he's not like he was with the

1025
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: Houston Rockets, but he's still playing a high level and

1026
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 4: they got good role players, roster depth in Tywoo as a

1027
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: hell of a coach, Tommy.

1028
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: Mark Madina Adina Magic. Every Saturday night, Fox Sports Radio

1029
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: our NBA guru looking ahead to the All Star Game.

1030
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: I thought the NBA did Steph Curry a solid. With

1031
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: this new hybrid voting, the game will be in San Francisco,

1032
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: He'll be a starter. You could argue that probably Luca

1033
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: is a more deserving starter along Shay Gilgis in the backcourt.

1034
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this is show business, right,

1035
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: So nice gesture. Steph Curry is All Star game even

1036
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: though he's only averaging what twenty two points a game,

1037
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: not having a great year. Your thoughts on that decision.

1038
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could understand if he was aimed at Star

1039
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: or not because of the team's performance. I mean, even

1040
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: though this is in Steph Curry's best season, He's still

1041
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: playing at a high level. And if you remove them

1042
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 4: from the Warriors, not only would they want to be

1043
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 4: just struggling to make a play in for him it

1044
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: they would be a lottery team right now. But I

1045
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: think the way I view with All Stars as far

1046
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 4: for starters, this is for the fans. You know, they

1047
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: partly have the vote for starters. You know, for reserves

1048
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: a little bit more scrutinized, only because coaches are evaluating

1049
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 4: and you know they tend to reward players all winning teams.

1050
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: But my criteria with this much different than would be

1051
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: for All NBA MVP because again in theory, because we

1052
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: haven't seen good All Star games in recent years. But

1053
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 4: it should be. It's for the fans. It's for them

1054
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: to see their favorite stars and have them put on

1055
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: a show. So it makes sense. Steph gets it. You know,

1056
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 4: he's obviously a generational player. They're playing in San Francisco

1057
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: at Schase Center. But I do understand that there's a

1058
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 4: lot of good Western Conference guards that you have a case.

1059
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question about use of

1060
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Nurkic and Mike Bodenholzer. Allegedly they haven't talked in two months.

1061
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Seems like Nurkis is too good of a player to

1062
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: waste what's going on there.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the reality of Nurkic. Is is just not

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Speaker 4: a good defender. You know, there there wasn't There was

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Speaker 4: never a feeling that he was a good fit when

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Speaker 4: they traded him for DeAndre Aiden. I mean, part of

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Speaker 4: it was just trade DeAndre Aiden because addition, by subtraction

1068
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Speaker 4: his inconsistency and just his contribution to the Sun's early

1069
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Speaker 4: playoff exits. So they were never naive that Nurkics was

1070
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Speaker 4: a good defender. They was hoped that he could do

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Speaker 4: what he does best as far as saying screens, he's

1072
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Speaker 4: a good passer, it's just a problem of his availability

1073
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 4: with injury history. And I think also they're defensively challenged,

1074
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 4: and so that that's the reality. Mike Bornholzer, he's more

1075
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 4: of an offensive guru, but he's still believes in defense.

1076
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Speaker 4: And when you're looking at how much the Sun struggled

1077
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: most notably because Kevin Durant had injuries, they're going to

1078
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 4: obviously scrutinize the roster more so.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for me is, you know, driving around, I

1080
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: sample various talk shows around the country, and so you're

1081
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: starting to hear this narrative that what Cleveland's doing in

1082
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: the regular season, even though they've lost three in a row,

1083
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: is in fact going to carry over to the playoffs. Again.

1084
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Speaker 1: This is what you hear blown in the wind, and

1085
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: they can overtake Boston. It feels like Boston had a

1086
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: bit of a revelation this week. All Right, we've been

1087
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: playing with our food a little bit. Maybe we've got

1088
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: a post title hangover. It's tight to get our angry,

1089
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: pissed off of this back again. And it seems like

1090
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Speaker 1: those two are heading for a collision course Cleveland and Boston.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, give it up to the Knicks.

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Speaker 1: They're very quiet. Right thirty and sixteen? Where am I

1093
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: going with this? Do you still expect Boston to be

1094
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: back in the finals or can Cleveland legitimately do this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean each team has a case. I thought

1096
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 4: going in this season, based off of my own thoughts

1097
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 4: and talking to some GMS and assistant coaching from other teams,

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01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 4: that was Boston the rest of the field because they

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01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: have most of their quarterback they're all in their prime

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Speaker 4: and you know, they finally want a championship, and sometimes

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01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 4: there's a carryover effect. But Cleveland has been playing really

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Speaker 4: dominant and I think that we've seen with Boston that

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01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 4: you know, they played through stretches, including this past week

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Speaker 4: where they needed overtime and prevail against the Clippers team

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01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 4: that basically didn't play their entire team as far as

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 4: caliber players, and they lost against the Lakers. They are

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 4: nursing the championship hangover, trying to navigate how they handle

1108
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: everyone's best shot, and they're dealing with fatigue and heavy minutes.

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Speaker 4: But the Cavaliers, they are the real deal. They're just

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Speaker 4: not a regular season team. Be clear, I'm not comparing

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01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: them as far as talent and play. But when I

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01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 4: saw them in LA in the locker room, they're all

1113
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 4: hanging out and they're talking basketball, they're getting along. It

1114
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 4: reminded me of the kind of joyful locker room at

1115
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 4: Mistress saw with the Warriors when they're in their dynastic

1116
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: championship runs. So they're doing everything well. It's just that

1117
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 4: when the offs happened, a lot of times things kick

1118
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 4: into gear. As far as urgency, there's more time to prep,

1119
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 4: there's more recovery time. So you can't discount Boston. But

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Speaker 4: if I did have to make a prediction in late January,

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Speaker 4: I would give the edge to Cleveland because of how

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Speaker 4: well they're playing and how much healthier they are.

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Speaker 1: Mark last thing, and this just popped into my mind.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why, but it's important. Today's January twenty sixth. Now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a five year anniversary of Kobe. I am hopeful

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Speaker 1: that his remembrance never fades. Is it still there? Is

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: it still a situation where you know his remembrance will

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Speaker 1: live forever or is it starting to after five years now?

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Speaker 1: Fadal living.

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Speaker 4: No, his legacy will be forever remembered. You know, I

1131
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 4: say that obviously because I live in LA and I

1132
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 4: see it. But I think that he is a global

1133
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: icon and everyone's gonna celebrate and mourn him every anniversary

1134
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 4: and even on non anniversary days. You know, I think

1135
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 4: the best thing I can do to pan a picture

1136
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 4: here is this past year, the Lakers have unveiled two

1137
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 4: of his three statues, one him wearing them right another

1138
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 4: with him in Gianna, and it is the most popular

1139
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 4: site before and after Laker games for fans to you know,

1140
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 4: have a moment, you know, but I think for celebratory reasons,

1141
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 4: cathartic reasons. But it is very surreal to wrap my

1142
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 4: head around. That's been five years. I don't know if

1143
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 4: you know this, Bernie, but you know I was able

1144
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 4: to catch up with him, you know, nine days before

1145
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 4: his passing for some in depth stories about his most

1146
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 4: basketball career. And you know how he's just been embracing

1147
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 4: retirement with doing all these things with his storytelling company,

1148
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 4: coaching Gianna, overseeing a training academy, just doing so many things.

1149
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 4: And you know what makes the tragedy even more more

1150
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: tough to stomach. It was that in his mind, he

1151
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: felt like he was just scratching the surface with getting

1152
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 4: an Oscar for his Tier Basketball film and having all

1153
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 4: these books come out. He wanted to be able to

1154
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 4: get to the point where he's overseen you know, movies

1155
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 4: and shows and even theatrical plays. He had obviously a

1156
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 4: lot of ambitions and hopes for Gianna to play basketball,

1157
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 4: you know, in collegiate and professional settings. And so I

1158
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 4: think the real tough thing here is that Kobe obviously

1159
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 4: had a complete body at work when it comes to

1160
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 4: his basketball resume, but when he came to his life resume,

1161
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 4: even though it was very accomplished, he had so much

1162
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 4: left to live and so much left to give that

1163
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 4: that's made it very painful. But because of who he

1164
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: was as a player and just you know, the impact

1165
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 4: that he had on so many different levels around the world,

1166
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 4: he's never going to be forgotten and he's ever forever

1167
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 4: going to be inspiring not only the current generation of players,

1168
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 4: but the next generation as well as even not basketball

1169
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 4: fans because of just how you know, that maniacal obsessiveness

1170
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 4: with his craft and his strong work ethic that applies

1171
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 4: and inspires a lot of people for reasons outside of basketball, well.

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Speaker 1: Said, And there's no question one of the things that

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01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: made Kobe' so iconic is obviously his playing career speaks

1174
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: for itself, but his post career was replete with so

1175
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: much rich texture and depth and wisdom that he was

1176
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: able to transfer to audiences. And he was very compelling

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: when he spoke. So perhaps I'd sent mol time do later.

1178
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: One of the best TED talks I ever heard was

1179
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: Kobe talking about edited out of your life. You decide

1180
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: whatever you want out of life, and from the time

1181
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: you get up and the time you go to bed,

1182
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: if every action during that day is not designed to

1183
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: help you toward your goal, edit it out of your life.

1184
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: It was.

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: That's very simplistic paraphrasing of what he said. But when

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: you think about that kind of laser focus with the

1187
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: kind of intellect and insight he had, you put it

1188
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: all together and it's an unbeatable combination.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a very good point. And look, Bobby

1190
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 4: Bryant was a divisive player. He was a devisive leader.

1191
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 4: You know. He obviously had his shortcomings, you know, on

1192
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 4: and off the court, but I think the thing that

1193
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 4: everyone can agree upon is that he was a resilient

1194
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 4: person and player. And he also used a lot of

1195
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, failure setbacks as opportunities to grow and also

1196
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 4: redeem himself and improve himself. And so that's another source

1197
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 4: of inspiration. But the thing that I find it fascinating

1198
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 4: is that I don't know if I necessarily believe him

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Speaker 4: because he was so obsessed with winning and getting championships.

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01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 4: But for what it's worth, he maintained that winning that

1201
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: Oscar for gear basketball actually meant more to the championships,

1202
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 4: because yeah, and the thought was the reason was that

1203
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: that wasn't something I was expected of him. And the

1204
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 4: other thing that was a pleasant surprise for people that

1205
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 4: even really knew him well was that, you know, Kobe

1206
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 4: told me, you know, in January twenty twenty, you know,

1207
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: I think January seventeen that he said that a lot

1208
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 4: of people around him would come up to him and

1209
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 4: you know, share their concerns about how he's going to

1210
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 4: handle retirement, saying, I don't know what you're going to

1211
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 4: do when you're retired. She loves basketball so much. You're

1212
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 4: going to go through a state of depression. You're going

1213
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 4: to go through an identity crisis. And that's not what

1214
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 4: happened at all. He was very at peace with his retirement.

1215
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 4: You know, he was still in touch with the game

1216
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 4: and watching basketball, but it's not like he was obsessed

1217
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 4: with the league pass and not knowing how to move on.

1218
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 4: Like he was able to move on, and he had

1219
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 4: such a purpose for how he wanted to move on

1220
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 4: in retirement with all these different projects that I'm mentioning.

1221
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 4: And you know, one of the things that helped with that,

1222
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 4: ironically was the fact that he had three season ending

1223
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 4: injuries toward the end of his career. With all that time,

1224
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 4: you know, with rehab, that really crystallized I think the

1225
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 4: finality of his career in accepting it. But also it

1226
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 4: gave him time to kind of brainstorm what he was

1227
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 4: going to do post basketball. But even if that didn't happen,

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 4: Knowing how Kobe is, he's such a planner and he's

1229
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: very goal oriented and detail oriented that he would have

1230
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 4: mapped out all these things already. And you know, when

1231
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 4: he puts his mind to something and has a goal

1232
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 4: and he wants to accomplish it, like that is his

1233
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 4: singular focus. So should have been surprising. But again, obviously

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 4: the world and basketball community at large misses him, and

1235
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 4: this is one of many reasons, because he would have

1236
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: been accomplishing so much even within this five year span

1237
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 4: that he didn't already.

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Speaker 1: Mark great stuff. As always, here we go again. We'll

1239
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: see what the news cycle bring is this week.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate your Bernie.

1241
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: Thanks Pal, Mark Medina Medina Magic every Saturday night here

1242
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, The Bernie Fradle Show, twelve midnight

1243
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: Pacific time. The Bernie Fraddle Show continues. But I will

1244
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: say this, what's interesting is things happen fast in the

1245
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: world sometimes, and given all the groupthink Echo chamber blowing

1246
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: in the ether complaints about Patrick Maholmes getting too many

1247
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: calls in his favor, that could be soon going by

1248
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: the wayside if the NFL's proposed rule change gets green lighted.

1249
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about it. Coming up. Bernie fraddlewor Keunedy

1250
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: lyon from the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio Tirek dot

1251
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Speaker 1: Com studios. Keep it locked right here. You're listening to

1252
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: the Bernie Fradle Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right

1253
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: back in The Bernie Fraudle Show, Fox Sports Radio. Coming

1254
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: to line from the Tyrek dot Com studios here in

1255
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, big big, big, big, big NFL weekend, or

1256
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: about eleven and a half hours away from Commando's Eagles,

1257
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: three and a half hours after that, Bill's Chiefs. You know,

1258
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 1: there's an old saying in life, out of acorns grow oaks,

1259
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: and inside of three days, all of a sudden, something's

1260
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: gaining momentum. I'm sure you all remember Joe Thaisman. He's

1261
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: an NFL legend. I always liked Joe Thaisman. Super nice guy,

1262
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: had an excellent NFL career. I was the recipient of

1263
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: one of the craziest nasty hits. It was not a

1264
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: dirty hit at the hands of Lawrence Taylor on a

1265
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: Monday night football game back in nineteen eighty three or

1266
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: eighty five, one of those years. And he was on

1267
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: OutKick this last week and Threisman was participating in this

1268
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: ongoing discussion that the Chiefs are getting this preferential treatment.

1269
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: But he kind of took the high road because what

1270
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: he basically said is, look, we have this technology now

1271
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: if that has been insisted that every single play should

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Speaker 1: be challengeable to double check contested penalties or perhaps miss

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Speaker 1: calls that should have been penalties that could ultimately impact

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Speaker 1: the outcome of the games, and he went on to say,

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Speaker 1: you know the NFL, well, if I was going to

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Speaker 1: call and find out, well, quite often we hear officials

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Speaker 1: say that after the examination, it's not this and not that,

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Speaker 1: but it's a situation where it comes back to Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: and it feels like whenever it's a coin flip, Mahomes

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Speaker 1: is getting the benefit of the doubt. I'm repeating what's

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Speaker 1: being said. I'm not saying I've adopted this position or

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Speaker 1: I've subscribed to this. All I know is you can

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Speaker 1: think that if you want. And I'm not saying you're

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Speaker 1: right or wrong, but I am saying this that Mahome

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Speaker 1: is one of a very few people in all four

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Speaker 1: major sports that is able to take advantage of these

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Speaker 1: if in fact, that is some sort of edge. But

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Speaker 1: thaismand basically said every play should be challengeable, not just

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Speaker 1: a handful of plays or certain menu plays. Every play.

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Speaker 1: Don't give anybody more challenges. Just make every play challengeable.

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Speaker 1: And secondly, if it's interviewed, or check that, if it's

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Speaker 1: viewed upstairs in the booth by an official, and the

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Speaker 1: officials who thisman amidst of a tough job anyway, come

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Speaker 1: to find out they've made a mistake on a call,

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Speaker 1: why can't they just correct it immediately? Because if you

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Speaker 1: can do it, but you elect not to do it,

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Speaker 1: you're doing a disservice to the game and a disservice

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Speaker 1: to the fans. All right, So this was Joe, thisman's question.

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Speaker 1: It was not a rhetorical question. What if you could

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Speaker 1: just make every play challengeable. He went on to say

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Speaker 1: he thought Houston got hosted twice. He said, they got

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Speaker 1: hosted twice. Now the official through what he saw. But

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Speaker 1: if you have the technology to go back and look

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Speaker 1: at it and correct it, why are we not using it?

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Speaker 1: All right now? He spoke to the media after the game.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Joe Feisman, he was also a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP, guided those Washington Redskins in nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 1: I want to say that was Super Bowl seventeen when

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Speaker 1: they beat the Miami Dolphins. He deflected validating that those

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Speaker 1: were favorable calls, because he basically went on to say,

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Speaker 1: I've learned that no matter what happens during a game,

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Speaker 1: somebody's going to come out and like it. Somebody's going

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Speaker 1: to come out and not like it, and if you

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Speaker 1: win or don't win, or continue to win. So it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth. And the Thaiseman said

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Speaker 1: in his career he's been on both sides of it,

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Speaker 1: so when he knows how it feels. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, if the league is going to

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Speaker 1: do their best, if the refs are going to do

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Speaker 1: their best, and you want the outcome to be on

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Speaker 1: the up and up, meaning you know you have the

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Speaker 1: technology to make sure there are no mistakes. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: call here, a call there, people won't agree with. This

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Speaker 1: solves it somewhat and it sort of eliminates the speculation

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden. Two days later, the NFL is

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Speaker 1: expected to expand replay assists into plays that include the

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Speaker 1: quarterback slide. Now, let's go back to twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Replay Assist was enacted in twenty twenty one to allow

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Speaker 1: officials and designated members of the officiating department to provide

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Speaker 1: a second opinion with on field calls in certain game situations,

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Speaker 1: but it's limited. In a minute, I'm going to fast

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Speaker 1: forward to twenty twenty four, where the league has been

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Speaker 1: expanded and where they're trying to expand it even further.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bernie Fraderwerck Comedy lyon from the Las Vegas Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio tirect dot com studios. Keep it locked. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the Bernie Fradtle Show at Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: We're back on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: coming to life Tarak dot Com Studios here in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring this to a kapper. Replay Assist twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one A lot officials and certain members of the officiating

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Speaker 1: department to give a second opinion with onfield calls in

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Speaker 1: certain game situations. All right, now, if there's clear and

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: obvious video evidence, since like that spot of a ball

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01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: or an incomplete pass or touching of a ball that

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: you can see, they move into action quickly. Three years later,

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Speaker 1: this year, the league expanded the rule to add a

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Speaker 1: few other things information could be provided when a penalty

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01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: flag had been placed on the field. Those included out

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Speaker 1: of bounds calls, blows to the head, and intentional grounding,

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Speaker 1: but it was reported by ESPN that there could be

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Speaker 1: additional elements added this season after replay assists came into question,

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Speaker 1: specifically because of the Chiefs Texans game that was played

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Speaker 1: last week. You all saw it. Mahomes scramble out of

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Speaker 1: the pocket, slid between two Houston defenders, drew a fifteen

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Speaker 1: yard penalty on the Texans for unnecessary roughness. Troy Aikman,

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Speaker 1: who's as sharp as they come and as well grounded

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Speaker 1: as they come, emoted he said, oh, come on, he said,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a runner, and I could not disagree

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Speaker 1: with that one more. He barely got hit. Later, Aikman said,

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Speaker 1: the NFL quote has got to address this in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: You can't as a quarterback just run around and play

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Speaker 1: games with defenders and then get called for a penalty.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like the quarterback slide will likely be

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Speaker 1: included when the NFL's Competition Committee meets in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: and they won't vote on this until late March at

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Speaker 1: the annual meeting. And according to ESPN, the belief around

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Speaker 1: the league is there's no reason to bring further objectivity

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Speaker 1: to a play that people at home and the fans

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Speaker 1: can see and on TV can see. And Will Lanerson Junior,

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Speaker 1: who was flagged early in the game for roughing the passers,

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Speaker 1: said he knew it was going to be us versus

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Speaker 1: the ref So look, I get it that Mahome's going

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Speaker 1: to defend himself. He says, I don't feel that way.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been questioned about being the beneficiary of

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Speaker 1: questionable game calls all season. He pushed back on that.

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Speaker 1: He said, at the end of the day, the rest

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Speaker 1: are doing their best to call the game as fair

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Speaker 1: and proper as it can. That's fair typical Pat mahomes

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Speaker 1: political smart statement. He's a smart guy. All I can

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Speaker 1: do is go out there and play the game fair enough.

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Speaker 1: No one's going to argue with that. But I think

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Speaker 1: we're headed to see a major adjustment on replay assist,

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: and we'll have it in twenty twenty five because of

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Speaker 1: the scrutiny. All right, it's going to incorporate plays that

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Speaker 1: include the quarterback slide. The NFL Competition Committee is going

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Speaker 1: to meet on this. I think they're going to review it.

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Speaker 1: And you're going to find yourself in a situation that

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Speaker 1: where you know, the chiefs, the everybody, right, if you

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Speaker 1: try to game the system, where you take off and

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Speaker 1: run and you fake like you're gonna slide, but you don't,

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Speaker 1: or as Tom Brady said, you start to slow up,

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Speaker 1: so the defender slows up because he's too afraid to

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Speaker 1: get a damn penalty, and then the quarterback lowers his

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Speaker 1: head and plows into him. All right, are these objective

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: calls now or subjective calls? For the most part, they's

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Speaker 1: somewhat subjective. But when a quarterback leaves the pocket and

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Speaker 1: it becomes a runner, he should not be granted the

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Speaker 1: same type of you know, protections as he's in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: And look, Steve Young did it. Lots of quarterbacks have

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Speaker 1: done it. There's ways to slide, there's ways to get down,

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Speaker 1: there's ways to get out of bounce. But if it's

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Speaker 1: happening again and again and all of a sudden, what

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Speaker 1: might the rest have done it? They've gone back and

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Speaker 1: looked at that penalty last week or not? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We're going to find out. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: The Bernie Friddle Show continues and Fox Sports Radio. That's right,

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Speaker 1: been a whirlwind coaching carousel the last few days. Six openings,

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Speaker 1: now there's one, then there was one. All started on

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Speaker 1: January fifth, and here we go the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 1: Well they're continuing their coaching shows. What happened to all

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Speaker 1: of these suitors who were allegedly going to be interested

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Speaker 1: in Mike McCarthy. Bears went away, Patriots went away, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: Jaguars have went away. Aaron Glenn has accepted a head

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Speaker 1: coaching job with the New York Jets. So there are

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Speaker 1: a handful of remaining candidates for the Saints. And the

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Speaker 1: link to this process has already gone beyond their twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two search. They only took two weeks three years

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Speaker 1: ago to promote Dennis Allen, who was the DC at

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Speaker 1: the time after Sean Payton stepped away, literally three years

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Speaker 1: ago today, three years ago today. And at the time

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Speaker 1: they also interviewed Aaron Glenn, and they interviewed Brian Florest,

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Speaker 1: they interviewed Doug Peterson. So the timetable has you know

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Speaker 1: has caused some delay some of the candidates, like Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's offensive coordinator Joe Brady, who pulled himself out. He's

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Speaker 1: going to stay in Philadelphia or in Buffalo, Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: who obviously's out now with Dallas, they're still working, They're

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Speaker 1: working Sunday. Right, So who are the remaining candidates for

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Speaker 1: your New Orleans Saints? And you know, on a scale

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Speaker 1: of one to ten, how enthusiastic are you about these guys?

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Speaker 1: So we start with Darren Rizzy, right, he was your

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Speaker 1: interim coach, finished with the three and five record and

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Speaker 1: his Fine Lake games, and he interviewed formally for the

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Speaker 1: job on January seventeenth. And he has a couple of

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Speaker 1: player endorsements. Alvin Kamara liked him, Cameron Jordan liked him.

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Speaker 1: They even went on Twitter and announced their sort of

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Speaker 1: their support. Right. Rizzy's never been a head coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. He's been a head coach in college at

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island and New Haven. He's also been an assistant

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01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,839
Speaker 1: with the Miami Dolphins and of course with the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton hired Darren Rizzy as a special teams coordinator

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: six years ago and By the way, if Rizzy doesn't

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Speaker 1: land with the Saints the Bears in Denver, they're still

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Speaker 1: looking for coordinator positions. If he doesn't get it. Do

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Speaker 1: I think Darren Rizzy gets the job. No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I don't think he did a credible job.

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Speaker 1: I thought they played hard under him. I just don't

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Speaker 1: think he's what they need right now. Another guy who

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Speaker 1: appears to be a candidate the defensive coordinator for the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, Anthony Weaver. He's only had a virtual interview

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Speaker 1: and that was clear back on January eighth, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know why they haven't had a second interview since

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Speaker 1: it's been two and a half weeks. They talked about

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Speaker 1: weather concerns. Maybe there were. Weaver has been in Miami

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Speaker 1: for three years, and he was with Baltimore prior of

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Speaker 1: that as her defensive line coach. And he actually he's

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Speaker 1: played the league. He was a defensive end with the

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Speaker 1: Ravens back with those great Ray Lewis ed Reed teams

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Speaker 1: in the mid early two thousands and played with Texas.

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Speaker 1: He's also interviewed with the Atlanta Falcons and Washington Commanders. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is what they do. They bring in all these guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, Joe Brady I thought would have been really

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Speaker 1: an excellent candidate. He had a virtual interview January seventeenth.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago Bear has also interviewed Joe Brady. He's done

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Speaker 1: a hell of a job in Buffalo. Bill's had the

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Speaker 1: number two scoring offense this year. They averaged twenty nine

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Speaker 1: points a game, actually twenty nine point five and to

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Speaker 1: take the look, we were told that they wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: as good as without Stefan Diggs. Not so much right.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Joe Brady has a lot of ties

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Speaker 1: to Louisiana, to state Louisiana. Started his NFL career there

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Speaker 1: as a Saints offensive assistant about eight nine years ago.

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: Then he went to LSU and he was their passing

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01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: game coordinator during that epic twenty nineteen National Championship team season.

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01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: Dude's thirty five years old. He's the youngest of all

1482
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: their potential candidates. He's had three seasons at the coordinator level.

1483
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: He's also was a coordinator with the Carolina Panthers and

1484
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: now the Bills. Brady has since said, nah, not up

1485
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: in here. I don't want the job. So it starts

1486
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: to get a little dicey. New York Giants offensive coordinator

1487
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: Mike Kafka has interviewed. I don't know much about Mike Kafka,

1488
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: but did I miss something? Did the Giants have a

1489
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,959
Speaker 1: prolific offense this year? He was actually a backup quarterback

1490
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: in the league. And by the way, he was actually

1491
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes quarterbacks coach with the Chiefs Mahomes first three years.

1492
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: He's also interviewed for head coaching jobs with the Colts, Cardinals,

1493
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: and Teahawks and Titans, and he's over for four. Kafka

1494
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have any specific Saints ties, and I guess they're

1495
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: just spraying the board here. Kellen Moore is always is

1496
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: also in the mix, allegedly Kellen Moore again, he's got

1497
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: a big game here in about eleven hours, trying to

1498
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: help get the Philadelphia Eagles into the Super Bowl. Obviously,

1499
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: the Cowboys passed on him. Thirty six years old, also

1500
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: had a virtual interview with the Saints on January eighteenth.

1501
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: He also interviewed with the Jags Cowboys. Remember he had

1502
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee in the league as a quarterback,

1503
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore was the offensive coordinator in Dallas under

1504
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy for three years until they let him go

1505
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Now Moore cannot participate in a

1506
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: second interview until the Eagles are eliminated, or he can

1507
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: in theory the Eagles win Sunday, which I believe they

1508
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: will interview during the interer and week between the NFC

1509
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: Championship Game the Super Bowl. I don't know where that goes,

1510
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: but let's go to the elephant in the room. No

1511
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: pun intended. The Saints were one of the two teams

1512
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: known to have specific interest in Mike McCarthy, who also

1513
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: interviewed in person with the Bears just last week before

1514
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: the Bears wasted no time in pulling the trigger on

1515
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. Now, Mike McCarthy does have ties to the

1516
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints going all the way back to the

1517
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: two thousand season, and that's when their head coach Jim

1518
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: Haslett hired Mike McCarthy as an assistant. He was originally

1519
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: hired as a quarterbacks coach. Haslett no sooner did he

1520
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: hire him as the quarterbacks coach promoted him to offensive

1521
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. Two weeks later, six years old, in

1522
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: two thousand, Mike McCarthy at that time was the youngest

1523
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: oc in league. Twenty five years later, Carthy's now sixty one.

1524
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: He has a long relationship with Mickey Loomis, who was

1525
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: the Saints director of football administration at the time, and

1526
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Randy Mueller, the Saints general manager going back at that time.

1527
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: Mueller's now helping with the Saints' coaching search in an

1528
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: advisory capacity. They could have had Mike McCarthy anytime they

1529
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: wanted here in the last ten days, they have elected

1530
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: not to pull the trigger on that. I think McCarthy's

1531
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: got a shot, but I would have thought his chances

1532
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:41,560
Speaker 1: were better given the fact that now time is a

1533
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: wasting and again McCarthy just sitting there. What's preventing him?

1534
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: Here's what I think might be preventing him, right out

1535
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: of left field. I know people run hot and cold

1536
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: on Cliff Kingsbury and Cliff Kingsbury, who is currently the

1537
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for the Washington Commanders, And I don't care

1538
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: what you think at Cliff Kingsbury, but the fact of

1539
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: the matter is he is an offensive mind and as

1540
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: fabulous as Jayden Daniels and the Commander's offense has been

1541
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: this year, especially with their creativity on third and fourth downs.

1542
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: You can't tell me. Cliff Kingsbury is not a part

1543
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 1: of that. He's the offensive coordinator of a long shot

1544
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: team preparing for the NFC Championship game to be played

1545
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: here into about eleven hours. It's his first season with Washington. Now,

1546
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: he does have head coaching experience with the Cardinals, he

1547
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: was twenty eight and thirty seven. Kingsbury also worked with

1548
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams at USC two years ago, and again he's

1549
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: helped develop quarterback Jayden Daniels this season. Now, Adam Shefter

1550
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: said about a week ago that he thinks Kingsbury is

1551
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: happy in Washington and he's actually still being paid from

1552
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: his previous contract in Arizona. He's in no big hurry.

1553
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: But what's interesting. What's interesting is if the right opportunity

1554
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: were to come along at the right time. Schefter also

1555
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: thinks that Kingsbury would be open to it and amenable

1556
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: to it, but he's not going to force anything. And

1557
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: let's give the dude credit. I'm sure he's focused on

1558
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game, but why wouldn't Why wouldn't the

1559
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: Saints just pulled the trigger on Mike McCarthy unless there's

1560
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 1: some other fly in the apointment holding things up. Could

1561
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: it be Cliff Kingsbury? Could Cliff Kingsbury? He hasn't Apparently,

1562
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: he hasn't even decided whether or not that he wants

1563
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 1: to interview for the Saints. However, then it's been reported

1564
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: by a couple of other agencies that Cliff Kingsbury might

1565
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: have some interest in the New York Saints. This appears

1566
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:13,440
Speaker 1: to be certain, though, that the Saints are interested in Kingsbury.

1567
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 1: All right. I know he's not in a hurry to

1568
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: take another NFL job because he left Arizona unceremoniously. And

1569
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is, you know, the knock

1570
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,799
Speaker 1: that people want to put on them, and I guess

1571
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: it bears out is that his offenses were good the

1572
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: first half of the year, then they would start to fade.

1573
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 4: Right.

1574
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: So here, here's where the Saints are. It's not gonna

1575
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: be Joe Brady. It could be Kellen Moore. It could

1576
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: be they were interested in Aaron Glenn, but Aaron Glynn

1577
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: took the New York Jets job. And it's could be

1578
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. But there's they're the final. They're the final,

1579
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, they're frankly the final team that has yet

1580
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on a new coach. So the

1581
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders hired Pete Carroll Dallas Brian Schottenheimer. The

1582
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Saints are in a rough spot. They're not in a

1583
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: desirable situation. They really sort of need to nail this

1584
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: coaching hire. And if I had, if it were me,

1585
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: I'd put the full court press on Cliff Kingsbury. Mike

1586
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy is fine, but he's got a ceiling. Here's why

1587
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: that division is wide open. Atlanta they do nothing for me.

1588
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay is very good, but they're not invincible. Then

1589
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: you got Carolina. It may be the most winnable division

1590
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: right now and all the NFL, right and with the Saints,

1591
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, they should be able to see that. Kingsbury

1592
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: has been able to work and elevate the talent of

1593
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: whatever quarterback he has, and granted he's had a lot

1594
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: of good quarterbacks to work with, but be that as

1595
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: it may, he still had to do it right. So

1596
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: just food for thought. We shall see what we sh

1597
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 1: I'll see, but the Saints sure heart see new taking

1598
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: their time. Hey football fans, be sure to tune into

1599
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1605
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Speaker 1: All right, why not? What the hell? Why don't we

1606
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: do it? There's been a lot of coaches already hired.

1607
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Let's give each team a gray so far based on

1608
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: who they ended up with, based on who might benefit

1609
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: them the most. Why not? It's what we do. I'm

1610
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: Bernie Fratto, come to you live from the Las Vegas

1611
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Tarret dot com studios. Keep it locked

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Speaker 1: right here. You're listening to the Bernie Frattle Show on

1613
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01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Company, live from the tarat dot com Studios.

1615
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Speaker 1: You're in Las Vegas. Don't look now, we're thirty nine

1616
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: minutes away. Now now, thirty eight minutes away from the

1617
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: dance Sensation sweep in the Nation. You know you love

1618
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: you. You can't leave without it. What kind of brand new

1619
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: fool you followed by what my name? Well, the NFL

1620
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: coaching cycle circle twenty twenty five is almost a FATA company,

1621
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 1: not quite yet, but almost. And you know you've got

1622
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: two of the hottest coaching commodities on that Detroit team

1623
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 1: now gone on the new ventures in life. We'll see

1624
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: what the future brings. And predicting the future can be

1625
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: a very tricky pursuit. Grading coaches can be very tricky pursuit.

1626
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Dan Quinn. He helped get

1627
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons to the Super Bowl. But come on,

1628
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: I'd be a liar if I turn back their and said, wow,

1629
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: look at dan Quinn. He's going to be the most

1630
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: exciting hire of the twenty twenty four cycle. Suddenly he

1631
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: became the best coaching hired in the NFL when you

1632
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: look at the offensive turnaround. He brings in a staff

1633
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 1: with Cliff Kingsbury, they draft Jade and Daniels, and he's

1634
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: installed the culture in a standard that Washington hasn't had

1635
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: in years. Frankly, and obviously, Daniel Snyder's gone, and I

1636
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 1: understand he's none too happy to see his former franchise

1637
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: do so well. But be that as it may. That's

1638
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: why this is tough to predict, all right, all right,

1639
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: so let's start with the hottest name. He's been the

1640
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: hottest name, you know, since the Beatles. The Chicago Bears

1641
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: got their man, Ben Johnson, and it turns out Ben

1642
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: wanted them too, So you've got this symbiotic relationship right

1643
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: out of the start. And it's been a long time,

1644
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: a very long time, frankly, since the Bear has hired

1645
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: someone who's actually coveted for several other NFL jobs and

1646
01:33:54,360 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: not just hiring somebody because you needed to plug the gap. Now, yao,

1647
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: is not you the void of making a splashy move

1648
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: every now and then. I mean, they just got Caleb Williams, right,

1649
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: but they pull off a pretty big coup, I think,

1650
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: in terms of expectations, in terms of perception, and in

1651
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: terms of accomplishment by getting offensive coordinator Ben Johnson to

1652
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 1: somehow stay in the NFC North and compete against his

1653
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: prior team. For now, there's no other way to slice

1654
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: it other than Ben Johnson is a home run higher

1655
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: Does that mean he'll have success? How the hell do

1656
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I know? We do know. He has scheming ability, He

1657
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: has a creative offensive game, and his game planning took

1658
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: the Lions to new heights, helped elevate Jared Goff and

1659
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: in one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Golf's

1660
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: always going to have his detractors. He's always going to

1661
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: have his haters. Too bad, too said, would want to

1662
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 1: be a Goff's a good quarterback. All right. The Lions,

1663
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: maybe they lost because of golf last week, but let's

1664
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 1: face it, they had eleven players this year that were

1665
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: at one time starters on that defense. Go on, ir

1666
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: They lost one hundred and fifty eight band games to

1667
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: injury this year, right on par with the Raiders. Saints

1668
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: paired Carolina Panthers. How those two teams do? All right? Well,

1669
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: you had a Ben Johnson though, and now he stayed.

1670
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: This is rare. He stays in the NFC North. He's

1671
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: going to compete against his prior team. All right, it'll

1672
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: be interesting because Johnson is a guy who can simultaneously

1673
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: showcase that you devise a run game, of which he

1674
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: did with it won two punch of Jamior Gibbs and

1675
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. But then it complements the pass game and

1676
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: vice versa like nothing we've seen in the NFL for

1677
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: honestly quite a while. There was a midpoint of the

1678
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: season lines just they put up half a hundred just

1679
01:35:55,080 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: for fun. So all of a sudden, Johnson is worth

1680
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: his keeping help of praise. We don't know if it's

1681
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 1: a great fit. You don't know. See, when you're an

1682
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, you're kind of head coach of the offense.

1683
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: When you're a defensive coordinator, you're a head coach of

1684
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: the defense. But when you're the head coach of a team,

1685
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: you're a CEO and you're going to wear a lot

1686
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 1: of hats. And I know that Ben Johnson is supremely creative.

1687
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 1: He appears to be a leader of men. It looks

1688
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: like he'll establish a culture. But you know why I'm

1689
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: not going to give this an a grade because if

1690
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: you've studied Ben Johnson's offenses, the majority of his work,

1691
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: the majority of the creativity and his offenses happens pre snap.

1692
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is not someone who thrives. He's not going

1693
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: to constitute an offense that's going to benefit a team

1694
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: when his players go off script, start creating for the

1695
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: himself and became improvisational. This is what makes this fit

1696
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: with Kleb Williams and Djmore a Hugh j X factor.

1697
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: Neither one of those seem to be very formulaic players.

1698
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: To me, they like improvisation, especially Caleb Williams. He receives

1699
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 1: this nap. He's got a pension for improvising, and it's

1700
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 1: not always good. By the way. As talented a receiver

1701
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: as DJ Moore is, I don't think he's as disciplined

1702
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: in his routes. He's not a rock technician. He's a

1703
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: type of guy that will cited justice routes just because

1704
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: do you get open, which may may not be a

1705
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: good thing depending on your coordinator. He wants to get

1706
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: open at the top of his route. So there is

1707
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: going to have to be a philosophical change in the

1708
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: way the Bears and their offensive players conduct their business.

1709
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: So let's not get it twisted. This is still a

1710
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: very good hire, and I don't think Benjamjohnson would have

1711
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: taken the job without somewhat doing some due diligence, and

1712
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: he does seem to be brimming with confidence. He going

1713
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: to make it work. It's just that I trust my eyes.

1714
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 1: They tell me a lot, and when I look at

1715
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: this match, it's worth taking just a second to step

1716
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 1: back and think about can all these pieces fit together?

1717
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: By the way Green Bay and going anywhere? And Nieder's

1718
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: Minnesota and Kneader is Detroit. They'll get all those injured

1719
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 1: players back next year, So we'll see how happy everybody

1720
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: is next year if Ben Johnson brings all this offense

1721
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,919
Speaker 1: and creativity. And I'm not going to compare Mike McDaniel

1722
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: to Ben Johnson, because Ben Johnson's accomplishments were more, but

1723
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel does have that kind of creative brain. And

1724
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: they can't get the plane off the runway in Miami.

1725
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: Just a thought, all right. The first hire of the

1726
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 1: new crop was Mike Vrabel. The Patriots, they became master

1727
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: the obvious, and they should. In fact, I don't think

1728
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: they were very fair to Jared Mayo. Let me just

1729
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: put that out there. Okay. It appears they put him

1730
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: in an impossible situation. And I thought Robert Kraft genuinely

1731
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: contradicted himself when he said, you know, he wasn't ready

1732
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: for this. I put him in. He didn't have time.

1733
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Then give him time, give him two or three years.

1734
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: You know he bleeds New England blood, and so you know,

1735
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: hiring Vrabel seems to me like he just hired Gered

1736
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: Mayo as a placeholder because he wanted Rabel the next year.

1737
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: And so you take one ex player and Gered Mayo

1738
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: he's gone, you bring in another ex player. This is

1739
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: the type of guy Robert Kraft wants, I guess, and

1740
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: Rabel leading the Pats feels like a somewhat natural And

1741
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: I look, it's not a spectacular, exciting, sexy higher. It's

1742
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: just a solid higher. And let's not forget Vrabel has

1743
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: a good track record. He's an old school football guy

1744
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,759
Speaker 1: with old school tendencies. He did very well in Tennessee.

1745
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: He didn't win anything, but he did well because he

1746
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: ran the ball and he beat teams with defense. It's

1747
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: not for Mayor. Well that's all Belichick did I know

1748
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 1: you had Tom Brady and you can pin the game.

1749
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 1: You know, game manager on Tom Brady. That's a compliment.

1750
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: Give me the best quarterback you've ever seen, Joe Montana,

1751
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,799
Speaker 1: Packerck Maholmes. They're by the way, they're very good game managers.

1752
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: You have to manage the game. You play the position

1753
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: with your eyes. New England's not going to be sexy.

1754
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,560
Speaker 1: They're not going to be tricky, they're not going to

1755
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,759
Speaker 1: be pretty. We'll see how it works. At the very least,

1756
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: New England should win a few more games just because

1757
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: the team was somewhat already on the upswing. Because it

1758
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: turns out, you know, Drod Mayo was getting them to play.

1759
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: They don't have a a lot of talent. So Rabel's

1760
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to be, you know, put together a solid

1761
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 1: staff to get the most out of the talent. And

1762
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is, here's another this is

1763
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: another thing that's gonna make me raise my eyebrow. Drake

1764
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 1: May got on the field. I've always liked Jacoby Brissett,

1765
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: but let's face it, he's a number two. Drake May

1766
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 1: got out of the field, and instantaneously you can see

1767
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: the talent level was higher, the ceiling was higher, the

1768
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 1: ability to move the football field, arms, strength, all of it.

1769
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Drake May impressed me. But now you're gonna give a

1770
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback two coaches in two years. How is that

1771
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: a good thing? Now? I think Rabel will somewhat do

1772
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:44,959
Speaker 1: for Drake May what Jim Harbaugh did for Justin Herbert

1773
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 1: trying to demphasize the focus on the quarterback. Yes, you

1774
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: gotta have a passing game in the NFL, but if

1775
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 1: you focus on the run to set up a pass,

1776
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: it takes pressure all right. Oh, by the way, dwind

1777
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: is probably gonna have to hold, you know, completely overhaul

1778
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: their offense of line to do the things that Mike

1779
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Rabel wants to do. However, the main thing I'm waiting

1780
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: to see is if Vrabel does turn Drake May loose,

1781
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: because Drake May has a third, fourth and maybe a

1782
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: fifth gear, I truly believe, And if they never let

1783
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: him get out of third gear, then you're gonna win

1784
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: some games, but you're not gonna get where Robert Kraft

1785
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: wants to get. Bottom line, Mike Rabel is a solid higher.

1786
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: We don't know what the ceiling is. Is it the

1787
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Doubtful? If we're able were to get the

1788
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: Patriots back to the playoffs at any time in the

1789
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,440
Speaker 1: next couple of years, it'd be a minor miracle. I

1790
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a coach who can lead a

1791
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: team to win a Super Bowl, because with those Tennessee

1792
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: teams that get to a point and then it became

1793
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 1: sort of the inverse proportion of Ben Johnson. You didn't

1794
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: see the scheming, You didn't see the creativity requires to

1795
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 1: win a chess game when you all of a sudden

1796
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: had to match which with the other top minds in

1797
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs when the playoffs started, those are my thoughts.

1798
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 1: Let's go to New York. I like Aaron Glenn. I've

1799
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 1: always liked Aaron Glynn. I like him as a player.

1800
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 1: They drafted Aaron Glenn thirty years ago, the Jets did

1801
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: as a cornerback out of Texas A and M in

1802
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 1: the first round. Thirty years later, Aaron Glenn is now

1803
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: the next head coach of the dumpster fire organization of

1804
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: all time. This is a very good hire. This is

1805
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 1: even a better higher than Ben Johnson in Chicago, and

1806
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: it's a better higher than Mike Rabel in New England.

1807
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: It's intriguing. Okay, he's been a player for over a decade.

1808
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: He's had experience in the front office, he's been a scout,

1809
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 1: he's been a coach. Aaron Glenn is about as well

1810
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: prepared to take over as a head coach that anybody

1811
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: that you could ask for. He's done everything you can

1812
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 1: do and see if it all been there, done that

1813
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: in multiple levels at an NFL organization, more so than

1814
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: anybody in this hiring cycle. Ben Johnson didn't play in

1815
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's also worth mentioning when you look at

1816
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: the job Aaron Glenn did with the Detroit defense this season,

1817
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 1: even after they were decimated by injuries at all level

1818
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 1: of the field, and it took about seven weeks. It

1819
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: started about Thanksgiving when it started to catch up a

1820
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: couple of weeks after Aden Hutchinson went down and they

1821
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: could no longer command a double team. There was a

1822
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 1: domino effect from there, and the injuries caught up with him.

1823
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. But even right up until

1824
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: that Washington game, you saw how they completely stifled a

1825
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: very good Minnesota team. Aaron Glenn had that you playing

1826
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 1: at a very high level, even with a number of

1827
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 1: players that began the year starters sitting up on the

1828
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 1: sidelines watching. They had a physical attitude. They were simon sound,

1829
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 1: they played hard. Were they perfect, No, but they would

1830
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 1: what you want in a defense. And I can't even

1831
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 1: imagine what this team would look like had they not

1832
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: had anywhere near those injuries. They'd be playing later on

1833
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: today as opposed to either Philadelphia or Washington. I give

1834
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: this grade an a. Aaron Glenn is a superb higher

1835
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 1: for the New York Jets the Jacksonville Jaguars. You may

1836
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: or may not recall this. And I went on a

1837
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: podcast with Jason McIntyre. I love Jason sidekick. He does

1838
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,640
Speaker 1: his straight fire. He has me on every year right

1839
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: before the season and then we'll do some picks in

1840
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: week two or I said, you know, the Tampa Bay

1841
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: Bucks getting eight points against the Lions. Liam Cohen is

1842
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: one of the more creative offensive mines with his rot

1843
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: trees and schemes and creativity. And it worked. Okay, Baker

1844
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Mayfield had an outstanding year, and all of a sudden,

1845
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars and shot Con had their eye on

1846
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen. Now he is an intriguing offensive mind, and

1847
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 1: he showed this past season that his approach works. Now

1848
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:58,640
Speaker 1: he's going to get to work with Trevor Lawrence and

1849
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:02,480
Speaker 1: which could be like a last ditch attempt to resurrect

1850
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,680
Speaker 1: what ceiling we thought Trevor Lawrence had. What's interesting is

1851
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen turned him down, went back to Tampa Bay.

1852
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 1: They allegedly were going to make him the highest paid

1853
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. The next day, Jacksonville, lets Cohen know Trent

1854
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 1: balk He's gone the GM. Oh okay, now I'm interested again.

1855
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 1: I'll just set that aside because it's speculative. But Cohen

1856
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: helped build on the prior success the Buccaneers already had,

1857
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: and he made Baker Mayfield four thousand yard passer and

1858
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 1: the team, you know, got to the playoffs. Now. Interestingly enough,

1859
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: some saw him as perhaps Tampa Bay's head coach in waiting,

1860
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 1: and he's hung around and I wouldn't. I like what

1861
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles has done there. Why do is Todd Bowles

1862
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:55,800
Speaker 1: getting no love? I like the dude. Anyway, story for

1863
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: a different day. The biggest beneficiary of this hire in

1864
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 1: Jackson will clearly be Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence, this is going

1865
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: to be the first time he's going to have the

1866
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to operate in a modern NFL passing offense. And

1867
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: I know that Lawrence has all the physical ability in

1868
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 1: the world, but it hasn't manifested itself at the NFL level. Yet.

1869
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: All Right, Ben Johnson was the moment's rage. He got

1870
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: all the attention and love, and it's very well deserved.

1871
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: But amongst football minds, you know, Ben Johnson maybe one,

1872
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 1: but Liam Cohen is one. A. I think that's a

1873
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 1: great hire for Jacksonville because if Liam Cohen can get

1874
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: that offense going like he helped get make a Baker

1875
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 1: Mayfield going, yeah, it's I think it's solid. I love

1876
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: what the Raiders did with Pete Carroll, even though it

1877
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: wasn't their first or second choice. They shake it up.

1878
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll was a legend at USC. He was clearly

1879
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 1: outstanding with the Seahawks in his fourteen years. Here's the idea, okay,

1880
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: and I don't give a damn about it. Forget age.

1881
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,680
Speaker 1: You need to do the job or you can't. And

1882
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 1: age is a number. There's three types of age. There's

1883
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 1: chronological age, I get it, Carolybbe seventy four when the

1884
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: season starts. There's biological age. He carries himself like a

1885
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: guy twenty five years younger. And then there's psychological age,

1886
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 1: and he carries himself like a guy who could still

1887
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,679
Speaker 1: be playing in the league because he's got that vibe,

1888
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: he's got the knowledge transfer. You heard me say this

1889
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 1: on my Friday show. Nick Saban could not have laid

1890
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 1: it out any better. What are the four criteria Nick

1891
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: Saban looks for when a coach. One what type of

1892
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 1: character do you have? Two? What kind of knowledge do

1893
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 1: you have? Three? Do you have the ability to apply

1894
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: that knowledge and teach the players? And then four what

1895
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 1: kind of relationship can you develop with the players? You

1896
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: tell me, Pete Carroll doesn't check every box. He will

1897
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: bring the Raiders back to a point of equilibrium him.

1898
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 1: He will straighten out the ship and establish a new culture,

1899
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: a better culture, a steady culture. And one of the

1900
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 1: talents Pete Carroll has, He's got one of the best

1901
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 1: eyes for talent in the league when it comes to

1902
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 1: coordinators and position coaches. That alone is going to help

1903
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Okay, the biggest impact that Pete Carroll's going

1904
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: to have on the Raiders is going to be the

1905
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 1: staff he puts together, because they're a long way away

1906
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: in the talent department. Okay. The Raiders do have about

1907
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 1: one hundred million in cash face though, and they got

1908
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: some draft capital. As for Carol on the sideline, come on, man,

1909
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 1: Josh mc janiemes was a freaking bozo, and I like

1910
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: D'Antonio Pierce, I don't know that I would have even

1911
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,719
Speaker 1: fired Piers because he had to and navigate this last

1912
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: season with really not an NFL roster, and at least

1913
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 1: they completed, at least they played hard. I never once

1914
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 1: saw Antonio Pierce lose his cool, lose his dignity with

1915
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: the media. He went about it and worked with like manner.

1916
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel bad for Antonio Pierce. He was putting

1917
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 1: a very base a possible situation. Seriously, all right, you

1918
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 1: got Carol on the sideline. Now he's got all kinds

1919
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: of experience that kind of Antonio didn't have. And so look,

1920
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but this is, you know,

1921
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: bottom line league. You're either gonna win it or not.

1922
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 1: Carroll's success will only be determined whether or not they

1923
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 1: win or lose. End of story, goodnight, thanks for playing. Finally,

1924
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, Brian Schottenheimer, with all their respect to

1925
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 1: Brian Schotttheimer, this is a big me. I don't know

1926
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 1: if Jerry got hoodwinked by Mike McCarthy. Hasn't exactly landing

1927
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 1: anywhere else. He could still land with the Saints. You

1928
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: know what you had with McCarthy. I think Jerry played games,

1929
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: not thinking McCarthy would leave. McCarthy said, you're gonna zoom me,

1930
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 1: I'll zoom you. Oh, by the way, it's I think

1931
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: at best fifty to fifty McCarthy gets hired in New Orleans.

1932
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. MacArthur

1933
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: or he's gone, he's long. He didn't any playoff games

1934
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: with Dallas, who didn't end well. Now, apparently this has

1935
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 1: been speculated for years that Brian Schottenheimer would eventually get

1936
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: a chance to be head coach. He's been the Cowboys

1937
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator since all the way back in oh oh yeah,

1938
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Now he's got an opportunity to run

1939
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: the show. Hiring Brian Schottenheimer to be the head coach

1940
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys is a head scratcher. It just is Dallas.

1941
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:35,800
Speaker 1: Is this marquee Hollywood franchise. The fan base can't be

1942
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 1: excited about this. I think it's a major letdown for

1943
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 1: any Cowboys fan who thought that Dallas would be able

1944
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 1: to somehow, some way, I don't know who, what, win

1945
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 1: or why, be able to attract just some new fangled,

1946
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: exciting coach and truthfully, the head you know, the the

1947
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:02,599
Speaker 1: head coach of the Cowboys. It's such a marquee position.

1948
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 1: It should be something better and more, you know, impactful,

1949
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:12,879
Speaker 1: at least from an impression standpoint. Then this is okay.

1950
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 1: If anything, it's a sign of truly how much stock

1951
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 1: you know? The Cowboys are falling now. Look a week ago,

1952
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: everybody was yucking it up. Dion Sanders thought it was

1953
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: delightful to talk to Jerry Jones. But bah bah, I

1954
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen that happen, love to

1955
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: have seen it happen on multiple levels, knowing it was

1956
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 1: never going to happen. It just was not going to happen,

1957
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 1: and it would have been It would have been a

1958
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: spectacular failure anyway, not because a Dion. He never would

1959
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 1: have had the power to do what he needed to do.

1960
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: And it's not like the nil reportal of Colorado. And

1961
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 1: it's not like you're gonna get on the field in

1962
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 1: some weeks you're gonna have better athletes than the other guy.

1963
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 1: This is a lot different and coaching in an NFL,

1964
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, the mentality is different than college and DM

1965
01:52:57,080 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 1: knows all that. But what really is is Schoenheimer's resume.

1966
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: With all due respect, his career is as scattershot as

1967
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 1: it gets. He's been an offensive coordinator fourteen years. He's

1968
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 1: led his teams to top sixteen offenses four times and

1969
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: languished below twentieth in the league seven times. This is

1970
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 1: hardly the resume of a Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen.

1971
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 1: And this is what the Cowboys have now. Oh, by

1972
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: the way, Dallas is in a deep salary cap hole

1973
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be stuck with Dak and Ceedee Lamb.

1974
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 1: And why do I say that? They're both being paid

1975
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 1: a million dollars and they didn't new crap last year. Now,

1976
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe as it came down to it, promoting from within

1977
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: may have been really the only option the Cowboys had,

1978
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: But now it's going to be the inevitable question. Might

1979
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 1: they have just been better off staying with McCarthy. I

1980
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 1: know he had the endorsement of a couple of players. McCarthy.

1981
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: I've made fun of him and called him Barney Rubble

1982
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 1: and all that. But I know McCarthy's a play as

1983
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: coach and he's a good coach. But you get into

1984
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: those high leverage moments on the sideline in the playoffs

1985
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: where heat gets hot and it's hard to breathe and

1986
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: that's where he looks like the drunk cross in the

1987
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 1: nicy street. It happened too many times, and I think

1988
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: that was his undoing. Okay, one last thing. You have

1989
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: to sell this press conference. And I got to believe

1990
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys heading into twenty five are going to

1991
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 1: be their fan base is going to be the least

1992
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 1: enthusiastic it's ever been. The ten years I covered the Lions,

1993
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 1: we went from Wayne Fonce to Bobby Ross, who then

1994
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: quit mid season. I love Bobby Ross. Garry Mueller took over,

1995
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: did a good job, then they ruined everybody. Matt Millan

1996
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 1: took over, did a bad job, fifty games under five hundred.

1997
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 1: Hired Marty morning Wegg. That didn't work, Hired Steve Mariucci,

1998
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 1: fell into disfavored with Mooch unceremoniously got Dick Giron as

1999
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: the interim. Dick Jeron was not hired. They finally brought

2000
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 1: in Rob Marinelli. Seven coaches in my ten years. Marinelli

2001
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 1: ended up zero to sixteen. I'd be doing radio shows

2002
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: in Detroit and I would suggest coaches. My partner Mark

2003
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 1: Wolves would say, yeah, but you can't sell that press conference.

2004
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: That's metaphorical for How do you sell this to the

2005
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: fan base? I'm Bernie fraddwarck Com toy Line from Las Vegas,

2006
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, Diirec dot Com Studios. Keep it locked.

2007
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:19,400
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bernie Fraddle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

2008
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: How we're back on the Bernie Fratter Show, Fox Sports Radio.

2009
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we're only nine minutes away, nine minutes

2010
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 1: away from the dance sensation sweeping at the nation. What

2011
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 1: kind of brand new fool you followed by? What my name?

2012
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking about how incredible though the Washington

2013
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Commandos and their long shot season when they started out

2014
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty one, one hundred and fifty to

2015
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: one to win it all? Well, they're hours away from

2016
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 1: their chance to get to the Super Bowl. They've only

2017
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: the ninth team in history had one hundred and fifty

2018
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: to one odds or longer to make it to the

2019
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: Divisional round of the playoffs, and now they're only the

2020
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 1: fourth team in NFL history to actually make it to

2021
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 1: the conference championship. How have the other teams who began

2022
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: the season at long odds like one hundred and fifty

2023
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: to one done to make the play done? In the playoffs. Well,

2024
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety nine Rams actually won the Super Bowl,

2025
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 1: the only time to ever do it three years ago

2026
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:30,360
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and the upstart Cincinnati Bengals. They began the

2027
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 1: season at one hundred and fifty to one. They lost

2028
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. But before that, you got to

2029
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 1: go back forty five years. In nineteen seventy nine, Tampa

2030
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers, only their third year in existence, fourth year

2031
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: in existence with Doug Williams and quarterback that got to

2032
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 1: the Conference championship round lost to the Rams. Now Jane Daniels,

2033
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 1: he's only the second rookie quarterback to be one hundred

2034
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 1: and fifty to one are longer in the preseason to

2035
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 1: make the conference championship, joining a legend Kurt Warner, who

2036
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 1: did it in nineteen ninety nine. But Warner was technically

2037
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 1: a rookie back in nineteen ninety eight. He didn't play

2038
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 1: that season. But Jayden Daniels himself, he's also an uncharted territory.

2039
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 1: He'd be the sixth rookie quarterback to start a conference

2040
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: championship game. The previous five well you guessed it. They

2041
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 1: went on to five total of four passing touchdowns. Cumulatively

2042
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 1: ninth interceptions. No rookie starting quarterback has ever made it

2043
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, let alone won it. Brock Purdy

2044
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 1: two years ago as a rookie member jacked up his

2045
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 1: shoulder lost twenty oh nine, Mark Sanchez lost in the

2046
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 1: conference championship game, twenty eight Joe Flacco lost through three

2047
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 1: picks in the game, four bent Roethlisberger lost through three

2048
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: interceptions in the game. And then back in nineteen ninety nine,

2049
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: Sean King of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost through two interceptions.

2050
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 1: By the way, they're on their fourth road straight, fourth

2051
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: rate road game, and Jane Daniels, the third rookie quarterback

2052
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 1: of all time, lead to fourth quarter comeback on the

2053
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 1: road in the postseason. It just doesn't. Then the long

2054
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 1: shot stone in. We'll see what happens coming up? What

2055
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of brand new fool of you? And what my name?

2056
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: Keep it? Locker's the Bernie Frattle Show Fox Sports Radio.

2057
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Speaker 1: Well that's right, you heard the man. Bernie Fraddle Show

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Speaker 1: keeps rolling right along. My name is Bernie Frattle. We

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Speaker 1: we've come to that juncture in the show, that juncture

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Speaker 1: in the week. You know what, you love it. You

2066
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 1: can't leave without it, the Dan Sensation sweep of the nation,

2067
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 1: you see, because as Yogi Berrier once said, hell, you

2068
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 1: can observe a lot by watching. And that's exactly what

2069
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 1: we do with our crack staff, see, because they're und

2070
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 1: this great land of ours from sea to oily seed

2071
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 1: and frankly around the globe. We help people engage in activities.

2072
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 1: They like to get involved in stupid, silly things, and

2073
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 1: sometimes they're innocuous, other times they're far more serious, and

2074
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,880
Speaker 1: oftentimes they can even run a fouow the law and

2075
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 1: even land you in jail. But anyway you slice it,

2076
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 1: any way, you characterize it, any way you describe it, well,

2077
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: these behaviors they always they always leave us scratching our

2078
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 1: head and asking ourselves, what kind of brand new fool

2079
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 1: of you?

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01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:40,879
Speaker 2: So, what kind of brand new fool are you?

2081
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: So say, I'm gonna call it audible tonight, Buddy, I'm

2082
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna do something I haven't done I went for Let

2083
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: me read you this tweet from Christopher McMillan. He's one

2084
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 1: of our listeners. We always appreciate his thoughts. He says, Bernie,

2085
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 1: how many stories are gonna be from Flora this morning?

2086
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:56,720
Speaker 1: By the way, PS, last time Washington destroyed the Detroit

2087
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 1: Lions in the NFL playoffs, they went on to win

2088
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:02,280
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That is correct. That was in nineteen

2089
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Speaker 1: ninety two. They beat the Buffalo Bill's Buffalo Bill second

2090
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 1: time around, Shy, mine is from the state of Maine,

2091
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 1: hoping maybe yours is from Florida. Why don't you lead

2092
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 1: us off tonight, Shay, You've always got good ones.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'll go aheat of this and lead us off.

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02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 5: But mine is not from Florida unfortunately.

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02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

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02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 5: Mine is in San Antonio, Texas, Charles Barkley's favorite city.

2097
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 5: So this one's a little bit of a doozy. There's

2098
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:33,960
Speaker 5: two parts to it, but we'll go ahead and go

2099
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:38,240
Speaker 5: straight into it. So a man is being accused of

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Speaker 5: trying to purchase a nine month old baby and harvest

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02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 5: their organs San Antonio police. This sounds a little really crazy,

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Speaker 5: but just wait okay. So Jose Israel Taran Junior, who's

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02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 5: twenty one years old, four years younger than me, is

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02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 5: charged with prohibition of purchase and sale of human organs,

2105
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:02,960
Speaker 5: in addition to one count of aggravated assault with a

2106
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 5: deadly weapon from Monday's shooting. Records from the Bexar County

2107
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 5: Jail show police said that on December thirtieth, twenty twenty four,

2108
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,480
Speaker 5: Tehran was mistakenly added to a group text message of

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02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:19,960
Speaker 5: family members discussing the details of a nine month old's baptism.

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Speaker 5: According to an affidavid for his arrest, Tarran, who was

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Speaker 5: not part of the family, responded, quote, that's a nice

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Speaker 5: Caucasian baby. How much you want? Question mark? Oh my

2113
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 5: unquote finished quote. The creator of the group thread discovered

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02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 5: that her uncle had changed his cell phone number, which

2115
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 5: was now being used by Terran. She told Taran wrong

2116
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,800
Speaker 5: number in prosueding to block him. Tarran continued to text

2117
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 5: the group thread asking are you not interested in selling?

2118
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,760
Speaker 5: I am willing to start the bid at five hundred

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02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:55,640
Speaker 5: thousand dollars. The affidavit stated, the nine month old's father

2120
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,680
Speaker 5: called Tarran, who said he purchased babies for their organs

2121
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:00,680
Speaker 5: and was willing to pay for the baby being cash

2122
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:04,680
Speaker 5: or bitcoin. According to the Affidavid Terren said he was

2123
02:02:04,720 --> 02:02:07,000
Speaker 5: willing to meet the same night for the purchase and

2124
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:09,320
Speaker 5: confirmed he knew the address of the church where the

2125
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:13,200
Speaker 5: baptism was scheduled and their home address, which was sent

2126
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:16,720
Speaker 5: earlier in the group thread. Which is terrifying to note

2127
02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:20,040
Speaker 5: that this guy has my address. When Christian about the messages,

2128
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 5: the culprit, Terrence said police he thought the group thread

2129
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 5: was spam and that he was just quote messing with them.

2130
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:31,480
Speaker 5: You want to know the craziest thing about this, Bernie,

2131
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 5: the suspect was already in jail and was initially taken

2132
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 5: into custody for a shooting that he did earlier that

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02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 5: week due to a road rage. SAPD said Tarran was

2134
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:46,120
Speaker 5: driving a Sedan on Monday afternoon along Enterstate thirty five

2135
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 5: your Thousand Oaks Drive exit, when he pulled out a

2136
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 5: gun and shot a man inside of a semi truck

2137
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 5: in the leg.

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Speaker 6: So this guy's got a lot of issues.

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02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:57,760
Speaker 5: Twenty one years old, obviously there's a lot going on

2140
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 5: in his head. So Taran, Uh, what kind of dang

2141
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 5: fool are you oh kidding?

2142
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:04,320
Speaker 6: Oh my god?

2143
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 5: When I read this Sturdy barn uh whoa sturdy Bernie.

2144
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 5: When I read this story, Bernie, I was like, all right,

2145
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:11,920
Speaker 5: this is this is a lot, but I definitely need

2146
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 5: to add this to what kind of brand new fool

2147
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:13,760
Speaker 5: were you?

2148
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:17,520
Speaker 1: That's it? You know, we we allow the poetical license

2149
02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 1: and and certainly, uh this fits the you know, this

2150
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:23,320
Speaker 1: one's more of a serious nature. And by the way,

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02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to uh just skip past this. You're

2152
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:31,520
Speaker 1: spot on about Charles Barkley. It's going on a couple

2153
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 1: of years now on tn T. He bashes the people

2154
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:36,440
Speaker 1: and the women of San Antonio. Has he ever gotten

2155
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 1: pushback for that? Do you know?

2156
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 5: He gets pushed back? Like there's been tons of pushback

2157
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 5: from it, but he he goes along with it.

2158
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 6: He doesn't care. He's he's the type to be like,

2159
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:46,120
Speaker 6: all right, like you're still ugly.

2160
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean he said something like a like last month

2161
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 1: he says Victor Wemby is the only person in San

2162
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:57,000
Speaker 1: Antonio can't gain weight. Yep, you ever say that? Yeah?

2163
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:58,800
Speaker 5: He calls every he calls all the women in San

2164
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:02,040
Speaker 5: Antonio fat. This is Charles Barkley speaking, not being Burnie,

2165
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 5: by the way, if anyone's listening, that's right, love of

2166
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 5: the good people of San Antonio.

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02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:09,040
Speaker 6: I'm sure we have an affilmate the city.

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Speaker 1: I've been took my wife through to the Riverwalk a

2169
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 1: couple of times down Oh yeah state. Oh it's it's

2170
02:04:14,440 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 1: a neat city. I can't I can't recommend it highly enough.

2171
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:22,960
Speaker 1: There's something about that Riverwalk, tons of restaurants, great vibe. Right, So,

2172
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what. You know,

2173
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:27,440
Speaker 1: who pissed on Barkley's cornflakes in San.

2174
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 5: Antonio has an ext rom there or something like a

2175
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:30,600
Speaker 5: fat access.

2176
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who. Yeah, Barkley's Barkley. He's kind of

2177
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,600
Speaker 1: a teflong guy. We all love Charles Barkley, but come on,

2178
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: you gotta have guardrails. All. I didn't want to let

2179
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:39,400
Speaker 1: that go by. It's a good call by you, Barkley

2180
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:43,640
Speaker 1: and the San Antonio All right, so we take you

2181
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 1: to Maine, bangor Maine. We introduced you to a guy

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02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 1: named Kevin. Now, who, amongst us, has not ordered a

2183
02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 1: ride share at some point? Right you order, you've ordered,

2184
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:55,960
Speaker 1: you were almost said, uber uber. Whatever the hell you

2185
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:57,920
Speaker 1: call it uber, right, you've ordered those right, we all

2186
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 1: have right and you get into the car and sometimes

2187
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: you find yourself having a conversation with the driver. Well,

2188
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:08,840
Speaker 1: forty one year old Kevin in Maine recently ordered a

2189
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 1: ride chair an uber and he told the driver would

2190
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:17,400
Speaker 1: you mind taking me to the local Tjmax? And then

2191
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 1: they started to engage in conversation. And the next thing

2192
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, as they pulled up, mister Kevin told the

2193
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:29,600
Speaker 1: driver the reason he was going to Tjmax is because

2194
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to rob the place. So what I'm going

2195
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:36,800
Speaker 1: to rob the place? Well, the minute the driver dropped

2196
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:40,480
Speaker 1: him off, he called the cops. And here's where it

2197
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:46,240
Speaker 1: gets fun. The police responded immediately. They immediately identified the

2198
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:49,160
Speaker 1: passenger as Kevin. I'm not going to give his last name,

2199
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:55,240
Speaker 1: and he, interestingly enough, was a suspect in a crime

2200
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:59,720
Speaker 1: committed just the day before that they had just issued

2201
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:03,840
Speaker 1: fresh warrants for So when Kevin exited TJ Max and

2202
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:07,240
Speaker 1: approached him, there was a foot chase, but they caught

2203
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:11,280
Speaker 1: him and he was arrested. Now here's the beauty. Most

2204
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:14,640
Speaker 1: of these folks, like you said, they multiple layers of stupidity.

2205
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 1: Mister Kevin had several sets of pre conviction bill conditions

2206
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:24,480
Speaker 1: that barred him from visiting multiple businesses in the area.

2207
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:31,720
Speaker 1: Because why mister Kevin has theft charges from multiple stores

2208
02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:36,720
Speaker 1: that he is not allowed to shop at. Wow, So

2209
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:40,760
Speaker 1: you get an uber, you say, give me your ride

2210
02:06:40,840 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 1: to TJ Max. You tell the driver you're going to

2211
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 1: rob the place. The police show up, they chase you

2212
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:48,120
Speaker 1: on foot, they arrest you. And oh, by the way,

2213
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:50,960
Speaker 1: just for fun, it's been the twelfth time he's been

2214
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 1: arrested this year, banned from multiple stores, and just to

2215
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:59,520
Speaker 1: put the icager on the cake, he also had warrants

2216
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:04,120
Speaker 1: out for drug possession charges. Kevin and bangor Maine. Who

2217
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 1: likes to shop and rob stores? What kind of brand

2218
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:13,600
Speaker 1: new fool of you? Oh? I got a headache after

2219
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:16,280
Speaker 1: those two, After those two, I wonder what Barkley would

2220
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:20,120
Speaker 1: think about Kevin. You know, just saying, all right, onward

2221
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: and upward, gentlemen, onward and upward, because that now concludes

2222
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 1: another rising edition of brand new food, which allows us

2223
02:07:30,040 --> 02:07:33,839
Speaker 1: to segue into our second favorite bit that we lovingly

2224
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:41,240
Speaker 1: refer to as what my name? And here we go?

2225
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 1: All right? Recently we had the Hall of fame voting

2226
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:51,800
Speaker 1: this past week, and damn thing I've ever seen, Itchiro everybody,

2227
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 1: what one vote gets, it doesn't vote you for intro.

2228
02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, what did he not do? Right?

2229
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:02,280
Speaker 5: Real quick, Brandie, I know this, This usually doesn't happen.

2230
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,000
Speaker 5: I want to interrupt you there. So did you hear

2231
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:08,360
Speaker 5: about Rob Parker's take on this? No, he thinks that

2232
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:09,839
Speaker 5: it was just an empty ballot.

2233
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 1: He thinks, well that's possible.

2234
02:08:12,120 --> 02:08:16,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he thinks that it wasn't someone intentionally not voting

2235
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:20,640
Speaker 5: for eachier Row and putting someone else, but instead it

2236
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:24,720
Speaker 5: was someone putting an uns like an empty ballot in

2237
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:28,680
Speaker 5: whatever that maybe they were protesting something. Whatever they were protesting,

2238
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 5: but it wasn't necessarily them not putting.

2239
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:33,640
Speaker 1: Each This happened before. But if you kin gets seventy

2240
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 1: two percent of the voter, so you're never going to

2241
02:08:35,480 --> 02:08:37,800
Speaker 1: know it exactly. See the way you vote, it's not

2242
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:40,800
Speaker 1: like you know you're voting for a president. You you

2243
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:43,240
Speaker 1: list I think, either five names or ten names of

2244
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:45,440
Speaker 1: who you want in and depending on who gets the

2245
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:48,360
Speaker 1: most votes, right, how if you appear on seventy five

2246
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 1: percent of the ballots, you're in. So Rob may very

2247
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:53,160
Speaker 1: very well be right on that.

2248
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:55,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agreed with him too. I was like, oh,

2249
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:57,480
Speaker 5: that's a great take. Actually, definitely see.

2250
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:01,080
Speaker 1: But this is a guy who's a cultural icom. I'm

2251
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 1: telling you I've been around. I've been in major league

2252
02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: clubhouses forever I played minor league baseball. You stand next

2253
02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:09,680
Speaker 1: to Itchiro, it's like you're standing somebody from a different planet.

2254
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 1: The guy was. He is freakingly amazing athlete and ballplayer.

2255
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,840
Speaker 1: He's like a ninja anyway. So he was not elected

2256
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:21,480
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent of the vote. In fact, guys,

2257
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:25,600
Speaker 1: there's only been one player in Major League Baseball history

2258
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,720
Speaker 1: elected to the Hall of Fame with one of the vote,

2259
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 1: Mark Ramsey, what my name?

2260
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:36,360
Speaker 6: Derek Jita Well.

2261
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,000
Speaker 1: A nice, nice impression, by the way, Not Derek Cheeter.

2262
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 1: Remember he got pissed off because one guy didn't vote

2263
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 1: for him either. But you've got the right team. I'm

2264
02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:47,600
Speaker 1: the only Major League Baseball player elected with the Hall

2265
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:51,920
Speaker 1: of Fame with one hundred percent of the vote. Shavee

2266
02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:53,800
Speaker 1: what my name? He is?

2267
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,920
Speaker 5: He's the closer. Mariano Revereia got it.

2268
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:01,600
Speaker 1: Mariano RIVERA good impression, you know, Mark, If you've ever

2269
02:10:01,640 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 1: been to a dandy Yankee Stadium, where he is no

2270
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 1: longer with us, like anybody's named Bob. Oh, goodness, I

2271
02:10:06,360 --> 02:10:07,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. I hate when I do that.

2272
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:13,800
Speaker 1: All right, good impression, Derek Jita, Bob Van not former

2273
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 1: pitching coach the Billy Martin Dave, Bob Lemon, who once

2274
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 1: famously said the two most important things in life close

2275
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 1: friends and a good bullpen Bob Lemon.

2276
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 6: Robert Shephard is here your.

2277
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 1: Sab Bob Sheppard, but by Bob. Yeah, Bob Sheppard. Yeah,

2278
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:30,960
Speaker 1: he was a legend. Oh, and I got to hear

2279
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:35,280
Speaker 1: him at the old Yankee Stadium. All right, let's go

2280
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:39,160
Speaker 1: back to the NFL. I am the head coach of

2281
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:43,480
Speaker 1: the least penalized team in the NFL in the twenty

2282
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:49,000
Speaker 1: twenty four season, Mark Ramsey, Is it a Andy Reid?

2283
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:54,560
Speaker 1: B Sean MCVAYH C Demico Ryans, I'm the head coach

2284
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:56,840
Speaker 1: of the least penalized team in the NFL the twenty

2285
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 1: twenty four season. What my name?

2286
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 6: Eating little bits? Andy Reid? Oh, they're so close, and

2287
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:09,560
Speaker 6: it's not him.

2288
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:11,080
Speaker 1: Not Andy Reid. I'm the head coach of the least

2289
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,480
Speaker 1: penalized team in the National Football League in the twenty

2290
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:16,920
Speaker 1: twenty four season. Shay, what my name it was?

2291
02:11:17,080 --> 02:11:19,200
Speaker 6: Okay, so you said, Andy.

2292
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:23,440
Speaker 1: Reid, Sean McVay, Hey, Andy Reid, b Sean McVay, Cee Demiico.

2293
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:27,919
Speaker 6: Ryans, Sean McVay. I don't think it was Sean Demiko Ryans.

2294
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:30,680
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, kuys the section Sean McVay. What

2295
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:35,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me? Really doesn't surprise me. All Right,

2296
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:37,400
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna get this one. Just think for

2297
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:41,280
Speaker 1: just a second now. You don't even need any clues. Currently,

2298
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm the only coach in the NFC. Check that, I'm

2299
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:49,400
Speaker 1: the only coach an NFL coach in the AFC West

2300
02:11:50,040 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 1: to not win a Super Bowl. Let me see that again,

2301
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:57,520
Speaker 1: since I've screwed it up so badly. Currently, I'm the

2302
02:11:57,560 --> 02:12:01,080
Speaker 1: only AFC West coach to win the Super Bowl. Mark

2303
02:12:01,160 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 1: Ramsey went my name.

2304
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:07,640
Speaker 6: He played a game where the lights went out. Mister Harball,

2305
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:08,520
Speaker 6: you got it.

2306
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 1: Jim Harball outstanding, so Ander Eeds won one, Pete Carroll's

2307
02:12:13,120 --> 02:12:16,040
Speaker 1: won one. Sean Page went one. The irony Jim Harball

2308
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:18,360
Speaker 1: been to one but not one one all right?

2309
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 6: And then went out in Georgia at the San Francisco game.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember that sure, twenty twelve. I remember it

2311
02:12:26,920 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 1: very well. The two Harbaugh brothers and created what it

2312
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:31,400
Speaker 1: was about a forty five minute to late.

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02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:34,160
Speaker 6: Was Kaepernick or rookie that game?

2314
02:12:34,520 --> 02:12:39,080
Speaker 1: Kaepernick was in his second season, but I started that game, Yeah,

2315
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:41,440
Speaker 1: to go over for Alex. You guys think there was

2316
02:12:41,480 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 1: some funny business going on.

2317
02:12:43,560 --> 02:12:46,440
Speaker 6: Just a power went out. It just threw off their momentum,

2318
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:48,680
Speaker 6: if there is momentum, but he just threw off the game.

2319
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:49,520
Speaker 6: I don't know.

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02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:52,680
Speaker 5: It's like the biggest event in the world. You have

2321
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:57,480
Speaker 5: so many backup things and generators, there's so many things around.

2322
02:12:57,720 --> 02:12:59,600
Speaker 1: That's why it raised his questions.

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02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:02,600
Speaker 6: Back in the day. I was like, oh, no way.

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02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,280
Speaker 5: And then the more like just the more things that

2325
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:08,879
Speaker 5: would happen with Kaepernick surrounding the dude, I was like, maybe, honestly,

2326
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 5: but I'm not.

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02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 1: You just said, yeah, I have been at events where

2328
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:15,600
Speaker 1: the lights went out for a second and backup generators

2329
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:17,720
Speaker 1: kicked in exactly, So I don't I don't know. I

2330
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:18,560
Speaker 1: don't know what happened there.

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02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:20,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, the biggest event in the world or everyone, and

2332
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:24,640
Speaker 5: especially at a time where like TV, like live television

2333
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:25,720
Speaker 5: was such a big.

2334
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 6: Deal, you know what I mean?

2335
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:27,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl?

2336
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:30,360
Speaker 5: Man Like, Like, now live television isn't what it used

2337
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,040
Speaker 5: to be. So everyone and their moms was watching the

2338
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. Now it's something else, you know what I mean.

2339
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:41,400
Speaker 1: So it's I don't know to what degree that was

2340
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:43,560
Speaker 1: delve into or how much that question was asked, but

2341
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 1: it certainly, you know, Razes, I.

2342
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:47,240
Speaker 5: Think it's being asked more today than it was at

2343
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:47,600
Speaker 5: the time.

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02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just did it. It's always I

2345
02:13:50,360 --> 02:13:52,920
Speaker 1: never cared that much. But now that we think about it,

2346
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:54,800
Speaker 1: all right, we stay in football. We're gonna go deep

2347
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,800
Speaker 1: into the cookie jar. I'm the first quarterback in the

2348
02:13:57,880 --> 02:14:01,280
Speaker 1: history of the National Football League to throw for four

2349
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:06,680
Speaker 1: thousand yards in a season. And my a Joe Namath,

2350
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 1: B Lenny Dawson, CE, Dan Marino, Mark Ramsey what my name?

2351
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:14,839
Speaker 6: Only because I like him. I'm going with Lynn Dawson.

2352
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 1: Oh, not Lenny Dawson. I'm the first quarterback of the

2353
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 1: National Football in history actually throw for four thousand yards

2354
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,440
Speaker 1: in a season. Shame moganar what my name?

2355
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:30,040
Speaker 5: So it's not Marino, I'm surprised it's name it from

2356
02:14:30,080 --> 02:14:33,600
Speaker 5: It's actually from elimination because I know it wasn't Marino.

2357
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 6: So that's wow, very interesting, very.

2358
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,520
Speaker 1: Que All right, Well we're guys two weeks from today

2359
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:45,160
Speaker 1: super Bowl fifty nine, right, yep, super Bowl fifty nine.

2360
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:48,880
Speaker 1: All right. Uh so let's go back to the Super Bowl.

2361
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:53,240
Speaker 1: I am the youngest NFL head coach in history to

2362
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. Shame oganger? What my name?

2363
02:14:57,920 --> 02:14:59,880
Speaker 6: That's Rams Rounds head coach.

2364
02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:03,360
Speaker 1: There you go Seean McVeigh again. Look, mom, never go

2365
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:03,920
Speaker 1: that man.

2366
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:05,280
Speaker 4: There, go that me.

2367
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a coach's me he really?

2368
02:15:07,400 --> 02:15:09,040
Speaker 6: He really great coach, great coach.

2369
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:09,720
Speaker 1: You ever met him?

2370
02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:12,520
Speaker 5: I've never met him. I'd love to meet him. You

2371
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 5: know you've met him.

2372
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:17,120
Speaker 1: No I haven't. I haven't and I would too. I

2373
02:15:17,240 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 1: like him a lot. All Right, this one's a little tricky,

2374
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:25,360
Speaker 1: but you should get it. I'm the only person in

2375
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:31,040
Speaker 1: history in history to play the World Series game in

2376
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:37,000
Speaker 1: an NFL game on the same day? Am I A?

2377
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:43,680
Speaker 1: Jim Thorpe? B Bo Jackson? C? Dion Sanders Mark? What

2378
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:44,240
Speaker 1: my name?

2379
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:47,560
Speaker 6: Dion Sanders?

2380
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:50,920
Speaker 1: Dion Prime, Tom Sanders. Now they even did a thirty

2381
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:51,560
Speaker 1: for thirty on it.

2382
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:52,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's such a cool story.

2383
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:57,680
Speaker 1: Yep. All right, Now, this guy I have met, and

2384
02:15:57,720 --> 02:16:00,400
Speaker 1: I think the world of them. I am currently a

2385
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:03,880
Speaker 1: head basketball coach in the Big Ten, and if I

2386
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:07,840
Speaker 1: win three more conference games, I'll be the winningest Big

2387
02:16:07,880 --> 02:16:12,760
Speaker 1: Ten coach of all time in terms of conference victories. Shaye,

2388
02:16:12,920 --> 02:16:13,600
Speaker 1: what my name?

2389
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:19,160
Speaker 5: There's someone close to Bob Knight's.

2390
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:19,400
Speaker 1: More victories and he passes him.

2391
02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:21,920
Speaker 6: Big Ten, Big Ten.

2392
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:26,720
Speaker 1: If you're gonna kick yourself, I can't get clues on

2393
02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:30,480
Speaker 1: this one. There's just it'll just give it away way

2394
02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:32,160
Speaker 1: miss shit.

2395
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:34,560
Speaker 6: Oh, Tom Izzo.

2396
02:16:34,840 --> 02:16:36,320
Speaker 1: Tom is not a sleep done.

2397
02:16:36,520 --> 02:16:37,560
Speaker 6: That was an easy one.

2398
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:40,960
Speaker 1: He's in his thirtieth year. Admit. Now, I've spent time

2399
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:42,600
Speaker 1: with him, and I've spent time in the year with him.

2400
02:16:42,879 --> 02:16:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you you're not going to see a better dude.

2401
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:46,040
Speaker 1: You're another better human being.

2402
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 6: He all right, Yeah, he's great.

2403
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:50,360
Speaker 1: He's phenomenal.

2404
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:54,080
Speaker 5: I wrote I wrote some stuff on him too in

2405
02:16:54,200 --> 02:17:00,480
Speaker 5: college because I was doing something on college basketball coaches

2406
02:17:00,520 --> 02:17:01,000
Speaker 5: and all that.

2407
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:03,240
Speaker 6: But no, he's a he's a great guy. He's a

2408
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:03,880
Speaker 6: great family man.

2409
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 1: Let's say we were at an event. You see and

2410
02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 1: my buddy, my radio partner, Mark Wilson in Detroit every year,

2411
02:17:13,640 --> 02:17:16,400
Speaker 1: Steve Marrihuchi would host the BACCI Ball tournament. It's just

2412
02:17:16,560 --> 02:17:18,840
Speaker 1: he did it in San Francisco too, so he'd bring

2413
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:20,959
Speaker 1: out all his friends. So he is a damn near

2414
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:22,720
Speaker 1: sat on my lap. He did two radio segments. We

2415
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:26,200
Speaker 1: really headed off, and he was he's one of those guys.

2416
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:27,600
Speaker 1: So let's say you were just there. Let's see you're

2417
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:29,920
Speaker 1: producing the show that night, and hey, Tom, this is Shay.

2418
02:17:29,959 --> 02:17:32,920
Speaker 1: Shay is Tom. And let's say five months later, we're

2419
02:17:32,920 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 1: at a Michigan State basketball game. We'd walk by. He'd say, Hey,

2420
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:37,000
Speaker 1: what's up, Shay? He remember your name?

2421
02:17:37,160 --> 02:17:37,440
Speaker 6: Wow?

2422
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:41,480
Speaker 1: He he has that gift. Really yes, and he'd mean it.

2423
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:45,600
Speaker 1: It's not an act. All right, Well, Tom Mizzo wins

2424
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:48,720
Speaker 1: those three more games, he's going to pass me. I'm

2425
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:52,640
Speaker 1: currently the all time leader in most Big Ten wins

2426
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:57,880
Speaker 1: in conference as a head basketball coach. Mark, you're gonna

2427
02:17:57,879 --> 02:18:01,600
Speaker 1: get this one. Just think about it. I'll give you

2428
02:18:01,640 --> 02:18:04,600
Speaker 1: a clue. Could you get it without a clue or

2429
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:05,240
Speaker 1: do you want a clue?

2430
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:06,280
Speaker 6: Say it again? Please?

2431
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:10,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Tom Mizo gets those three more wins, he'll pass

2432
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 1: me because I'm currently the all time leader in Big

2433
02:18:12,760 --> 02:18:15,960
Speaker 1: Ten wins as a head basketball coach?

2434
02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:18,680
Speaker 6: Is he still with us?

2435
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 1: He's no longer alive. He's obviously no longer coach. Nicely done.

2436
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:26,560
Speaker 1: Had to be Bobby Knight. Who else could it be?

2437
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 1: All right? Do we do one more? Guys? I think

2438
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:35,080
Speaker 1: we should? Of course we do last call? All right?

2439
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:36,160
Speaker 1: Here we go?

2440
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:37,240
Speaker 4: Well.

2441
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has won back to back Super Bowls. He's

2442
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:42,200
Speaker 1: trying to go for three. But I'm actually the first

2443
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:45,760
Speaker 1: quarterback in history to win back to back Super Bowls

2444
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:51,879
Speaker 1: as a starting quarterback. Shae Mogngar, what my name? Here's

2445
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:58,200
Speaker 1: your clue? I matriculated at the University of Alabama. Okay,

2446
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of quarterbacks.

2447
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:11,680
Speaker 5: Oh god, first back to back starting quarterback from Alabama.

2448
02:19:15,240 --> 02:19:19,400
Speaker 1: Bradshaw, not Terry Bradshaw.

2449
02:19:19,480 --> 02:19:20,800
Speaker 6: But he's not from Alabama either.

2450
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:23,720
Speaker 1: Now Bradshaw went down, I think with the Louisiana Tenna.

2451
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,840
Speaker 1: All right. Patrick Mahomes has won back to back Super

2452
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:29,080
Speaker 1: Bowls as a starting quarterback. But I was the first

2453
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:30,720
Speaker 1: quarterback to ever do it. I went back to back

2454
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:33,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Mark Ramsey, what my name think? Way back

2455
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,720
Speaker 1: in the cookie Jar, I was speaking.

2456
02:19:38,320 --> 02:19:39,160
Speaker 6: Roger Staubach.

2457
02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if Starbach went back to back, But

2458
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:46,600
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been the first anyway, think about it.

2459
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:48,120
Speaker 1: This guy played for Vince Lombardi.

2460
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:50,959
Speaker 6: He went to bart Star.

2461
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:52,760
Speaker 1: Bam, you got it very good.

2462
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:54,880
Speaker 6: Wow, what a name?

2463
02:19:55,800 --> 02:19:58,200
Speaker 1: What a name? Another guy who I met and it

2464
02:19:58,400 --> 02:20:01,360
Speaker 1: just a principally a guy, just a hell of a guy.

2465
02:20:01,480 --> 02:20:04,680
Speaker 1: Them Barties guys were the best. All right, our standing

2466
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:07,520
Speaker 1: job guys. Another rousing edition of what kind of brand

2467
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:11,000
Speaker 1: new fool? And what My Name? And you know you'll

2468
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:14,280
Speaker 1: have to wait till next week, peoples to jump on

2469
02:20:14,360 --> 02:20:17,039
Speaker 1: that again. Coming up, Well, we got a couple of

2470
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:22,960
Speaker 1: games here Sunday. One's called the NFC Championship Game. We're

2471
02:20:22,959 --> 02:20:24,920
Speaker 1: going to give you a betting preview on that, and

2472
02:20:24,959 --> 02:20:29,240
Speaker 1: then after that we'll do the AFC Championship Game. Right

2473
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:33,880
Speaker 1: after that. By the way, folks, shortly after the show,

2474
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2475
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2480
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2481
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02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:09,880
Speaker 1: you live from thee Tarak dot com studios here in

2486
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:16,800
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Well, don't look now, but we're what ten

2487
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:19,400
Speaker 1: hours away? Ten and a half hours away from the

2488
02:21:19,480 --> 02:21:23,359
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game where what is becoming maybe the biggest

2489
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:29,680
Speaker 1: story in this tournament Jadalen Daniels and the Commanders. This

2490
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:35,880
Speaker 1: is an improbable story. The visit Philadelphia third time? Will

2491
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,000
Speaker 1: it be the charm? These two teams have met, they're

2492
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:41,200
Speaker 1: both divisional rivals. Each won the game they hosted, but

2493
02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:43,920
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett was under center for Philadelphia for most of

2494
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:48,320
Speaker 1: Washington's victory. So the Eagles are six point favorites, which

2495
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:51,720
Speaker 1: can be considered a substantial spread this late into the playoffs,

2496
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:54,560
Speaker 1: but history tells us that if you're laying six or

2497
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:58,480
Speaker 1: more in a championship game, you're going to cover about

2498
02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:02,840
Speaker 1: seventy two percent of the time. All right, Handicapping this

2499
02:22:02,959 --> 02:22:10,240
Speaker 1: game is not that complicated. To me, if you bet

2500
02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 1: on a team to have to win a playoff game

2501
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,320
Speaker 1: by nearly a touchdown, that can be a big ask

2502
02:22:14,680 --> 02:22:18,440
Speaker 1: unless you see the major disadvantage that I see. I

2503
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:22,040
Speaker 1: think the Eagles offensive line can bludge in Washington. Washington

2504
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:26,600
Speaker 1: has got the thirtieth RNT run defense. I expect Seaquon

2505
02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:29,840
Speaker 1: Bartley to go off. I expect Jalen Jalen Hurts to

2506
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,240
Speaker 1: get his yards on the ground. And the truth of

2507
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:36,240
Speaker 1: the matter is on defense. Philadelphia also has a fantastic

2508
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:40,320
Speaker 1: unit that when they are locked in, they can hold

2509
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:43,280
Speaker 1: just about any offense in check. Now, the Rams put

2510
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 1: up twenty two points in snowy conditions last week. The

2511
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:48,480
Speaker 1: Eagles have played back to back playoff games where they

2512
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:51,600
Speaker 1: didn't have their best stuff. They just didn't. But they

2513
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:53,879
Speaker 1: proved all season their defense is good enough to win

2514
02:22:53,879 --> 02:22:56,320
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. They gave up the second fewest points

2515
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:59,240
Speaker 1: per game during the regular season at seventeen point eight.

2516
02:22:59,400 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 1: Those are numbers when you give up the point. You know,

2517
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:07,240
Speaker 1: the Commanders they just outscored a lot of teams to

2518
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:11,400
Speaker 1: their credit, to their credit, but Super Bowl championship caliber

2519
02:23:11,440 --> 02:23:14,320
Speaker 1: teams don't give up thirty points a game. Doesn't happen.

2520
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:18,120
Speaker 1: And let's not poo poo the Eagles offense, which you

2521
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:22,080
Speaker 1: can also be potent. Okay, there might be some question

2522
02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:25,280
Speaker 1: marks surrounding Jalen Hurts. He had some sort of knee

2523
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:28,680
Speaker 1: injury against the Rams. They're saying he may be wearing

2524
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:31,000
Speaker 1: a braids, but people who saw him in the practice

2525
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:34,280
Speaker 1: said he's not. He's not. You know, his movement is

2526
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:38,440
Speaker 1: not impeded. Meanwhile, Saquon Barkley continues to dominate on the ground.

2527
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:41,080
Speaker 1: So what if fertility passed for one hundred and twenty

2528
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:42,680
Speaker 1: yards and one hundred and thirty one in the last two

2529
02:23:42,720 --> 02:23:44,680
Speaker 1: games they won. They do what they need to do.

2530
02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:51,520
Speaker 1: The Commanders, I'm gonna repeat myself, they're very susceptible against

2531
02:23:51,560 --> 02:23:54,480
Speaker 1: the run, and the Eagles offense is built to absolutely

2532
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:57,320
Speaker 1: exploit that. And if they do that, they control the

2533
02:23:57,400 --> 02:24:01,280
Speaker 1: ball time of possession, keep it out of Jalen Daniels' hands. Now,

2534
02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:06,400
Speaker 1: Washington and Jayden Daniels and their offense could force Philadelphia

2535
02:24:06,440 --> 02:24:09,960
Speaker 1: into some uncomfortable territory. But the Commanders are going to

2536
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:13,080
Speaker 1: have to strike quick, strike early and turn this game

2537
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:15,440
Speaker 1: into a shootout. That's the only way the Commanders win

2538
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:18,560
Speaker 1: this game that way. They forced the Eagles to throw

2539
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:21,240
Speaker 1: the ball instead of giving it in Barkley's hands, which

2540
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:24,440
Speaker 1: is not their preferred game plan. That's what the Commanders

2541
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:28,360
Speaker 1: did to beat the Lions using that strategy, all right,

2542
02:24:29,959 --> 02:24:32,200
Speaker 1: because of it, and they got out and got on

2543
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:33,920
Speaker 1: top and started to put their foot on their neck.

2544
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:36,240
Speaker 1: Jamier Gibbs could only run the ball fourteen times, but

2545
02:24:36,320 --> 02:24:38,640
Speaker 1: let's not forget the Lions turned the ball over five times.

2546
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:41,359
Speaker 1: I do not think the Commanders will be the recipient

2547
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:45,400
Speaker 1: of five turnovers Sunday at Philadelphia. I give it up

2548
02:24:45,400 --> 02:24:49,600
Speaker 1: that Washington's defense was opportunistic and resourceful against Jared Goff.

2549
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:53,160
Speaker 1: They picked them off four times. They got that Fummel

2550
02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:56,280
Speaker 1: early in the game, which completely swung the momentum. But

2551
02:24:56,480 --> 02:25:01,560
Speaker 1: for the most part during the season, the Commander's defense struggled.

2552
02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:04,000
Speaker 1: They have shown up recently what it mattered most. I

2553
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:06,240
Speaker 1: don't think that happens Sunday. The Eagles are the more

2554
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:08,920
Speaker 1: complete football team, they're the better football team. So the

2555
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:11,680
Speaker 1: question is did they cover the sixth I'm not telling

2556
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:15,560
Speaker 1: you what to do. I laid it. If you overthink it,

2557
02:25:15,879 --> 02:25:18,520
Speaker 1: you look ahead and realize that If the Commanders get

2558
02:25:18,520 --> 02:25:20,760
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, They're projected to be four and

2559
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:23,840
Speaker 1: a half point underdogs. Next week in the Super Bowl,

2560
02:25:23,879 --> 02:25:28,560
Speaker 1: it gainst either Buffalo or Kansas City. And so you

2561
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:30,840
Speaker 1: say to yourself, well, there's real value I'm getting six.

2562
02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:33,320
Speaker 1: You want to sound like a professional. Better, there's no

2563
02:25:33,440 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 1: value in a torn up ticket? All right? I actually

2564
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:40,000
Speaker 1: feel Philly can win this game by ten, just my opinion.

2565
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:43,320
Speaker 1: Let's go to the AFC game. Here we go, this

2566
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:47,080
Speaker 1: is the game everybody has been waiting for. The Bills

2567
02:25:47,360 --> 02:25:51,000
Speaker 1: back and arrowhead with another epic clash with the Chiefs

2568
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:55,280
Speaker 1: for the AFC Championship. The storylines right themselves, the four

2569
02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:58,000
Speaker 1: falls of Buffalo. Can Buffalo get back to the Super

2570
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:01,520
Speaker 1: Bowl for the first time since January of nineteen ninety four?

2571
02:26:02,360 --> 02:26:05,360
Speaker 1: Can they do it? They went four times, didn't win

2572
02:26:05,400 --> 02:26:07,720
Speaker 1: any of them. Those were epically great teams. They just

2573
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:10,800
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. They ran into better teams against

2574
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:16,080
Speaker 1: the Giants obviously, the Norwood kick Poor Guy and the

2575
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:20,720
Speaker 1: Redskins and then Dallas twice. Hey, Buffalo's got their number

2576
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:23,840
Speaker 1: in the regular season, Chiefs got their number in the postseason.

2577
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:26,440
Speaker 1: Or three to zero in this rivalry which is now

2578
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:29,480
Speaker 1: rivalry and the other storyline, can the Chiefs get back

2579
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:30,880
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl and be the first team in

2580
02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:34,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era Super Bowl era to win three straight.

2581
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:37,600
Speaker 1: Chiefs are two point favorites at home two and a

2582
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:42,879
Speaker 1: half depending where his shop. That's not a predictor. You know,

2583
02:26:42,959 --> 02:26:45,560
Speaker 1: people think, well, Vegas, Vegas likes the Chiefs. Vegas is

2584
02:26:45,560 --> 02:26:47,920
Speaker 1: not a monolith. There's over one hundred and thirteen sports

2585
02:26:47,920 --> 02:26:53,280
Speaker 1: books here. All the betting line is, it's not a predictor.

2586
02:26:53,480 --> 02:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Vegas is not on the fortune telling business. They're trying

2587
02:26:56,600 --> 02:26:59,960
Speaker 1: to maximize risk and minimize loss. So they create a

2588
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:02,960
Speaker 1: betting market to where you put a number and the

2589
02:27:03,000 --> 02:27:05,400
Speaker 1: market the sides and money's come in on the Chiefs.

2590
02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:06,840
Speaker 1: They open up one and a half or not two

2591
02:27:06,840 --> 02:27:09,040
Speaker 1: and a half. When these two teams met in Week eleven,

2592
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:11,680
Speaker 1: the Bills closed the two and a half point favors

2593
02:27:11,720 --> 02:27:15,120
Speaker 1: at home one thirty to twenty one. However, even Josh

2594
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Allen acknowledged the regular season victory the only game the

2595
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs lost that they tried to win this year, playing

2596
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:25,120
Speaker 1: all their starters, Josh Allen acknowledged that doesn't mean anything.

2597
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:29,680
Speaker 1: The closing spread holds some weight when you handicap the

2598
02:27:29,720 --> 02:27:32,960
Speaker 1: SAFEC Championship game, because in Week eleven, the betting market

2599
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:36,640
Speaker 1: believe the Bills with the superior side. But that sentiment

2600
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:39,560
Speaker 1: seems to a flip. And you know why Patrick Mahomes

2601
02:27:39,560 --> 02:27:43,200
Speaker 1: doesn't lose an arrowhead period after November first of his

2602
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:46,760
Speaker 1: career's forty three and six in the playoffs the lights out.

2603
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:50,240
Speaker 1: If you buy the notion that the Mahomes and the

2604
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:53,120
Speaker 1: rest of the Chiefs have a DNA that just simply

2605
02:27:53,160 --> 02:27:55,640
Speaker 1: allowed them to elevate their play in the playoffs, then

2606
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:57,520
Speaker 1: the two points spread two and a half makes sense.

2607
02:27:57,560 --> 02:27:59,640
Speaker 1: I can win by a field goal. But if you

2608
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:02,280
Speaker 1: still the Bills as the better team and think they'd

2609
02:28:02,320 --> 02:28:05,600
Speaker 1: be favorites on a neutral then there's your value backing Buffalo,

2610
02:28:05,680 --> 02:28:08,040
Speaker 1: But there's no value in a torn up ticket. Pick

2611
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:10,640
Speaker 1: the winner and you're gonna go home a winner. Now,

2612
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:12,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge the Chiefs on their recent body

2613
02:28:12,760 --> 02:28:16,440
Speaker 1: at work. Their starters only played one game since Christmas Day.

2614
02:28:16,480 --> 02:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Perhaps Russell was a factor when they beat the Texans

2615
02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:22,800
Speaker 1: twenty three to fourteen last week, But look, you've been

2616
02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:25,120
Speaker 1: saying about this about the Chiefs all year when the

2617
02:28:25,160 --> 02:28:27,840
Speaker 1: heat gets hot and it's hard to breathe, and you

2618
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:30,640
Speaker 1: need these high leverage moments. You've got a Hall of

2619
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:32,880
Speaker 1: fame coach, a Hall of fame quarterback, a Hall of

2620
02:28:32,920 --> 02:28:36,560
Speaker 1: fame tight end, hall of fame DNA. Kansas City's defense

2621
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:40,480
Speaker 1: beat Houston. The defense only allowed twelve points. They can

2622
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:43,080
Speaker 1: see it at last second safety, and they sacked CJ.

2623
02:28:43,160 --> 02:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Strow eight times? Did you forget? The Chiefs have a

2624
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:48,520
Speaker 1: damn good defense in the NFL? In the league this

2625
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:53,480
Speaker 1: year under Steve Spagnolo. Now, the Bills dominated the Broncos,

2626
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:55,760
Speaker 1: who also had a great defense, then beat the crap

2627
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:57,840
Speaker 1: out of the Ravens. I thought, winning the turnament over

2628
02:28:57,879 --> 02:29:01,720
Speaker 1: margin three to nothing both at home. Buffalo let its

2629
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:04,200
Speaker 1: offense handle Denver, then rely on this defense to get

2630
02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:07,680
Speaker 1: past Baltimore. The Bills are gonna be a handful for

2631
02:29:07,720 --> 02:29:10,160
Speaker 1: the Chiefs on Sunday. But I'm gonna draw the old

2632
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Casey Stangle line that he used to say many years

2633
02:29:12,959 --> 02:29:14,840
Speaker 1: ago when the Yankees won the World Series nine out

2634
02:29:14,879 --> 02:29:18,920
Speaker 1: of twelve years, Casey Stangel would say, teams can't beat

2635
02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:21,480
Speaker 1: the Yankees because they get stuck staring at the pin strips.

2636
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:25,880
Speaker 1: I give the Chiefs the edge on defense, they're at home,

2637
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:29,600
Speaker 1: the Bills statistically have the better offense. Josh Allen has

2638
02:29:29,640 --> 02:29:33,000
Speaker 1: performed at an MVP level all season, but there's no

2639
02:29:33,080 --> 02:29:37,160
Speaker 1: debate that Patrick Mahomes is the greatest active quarterback around

2640
02:29:37,800 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 1: and based on his twenty twenty four performance, when he

2641
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:44,320
Speaker 1: needs to get it done, he gets it done. The

2642
02:29:44,320 --> 02:29:48,519
Speaker 1: Bills have a shot at winning this game, but if

2643
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:50,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna take the two points, you might have just

2644
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:53,280
Speaker 1: bet the money line. I like the Chiefs to win

2645
02:29:53,320 --> 02:29:56,520
Speaker 1: the game. It's as simple as that. Did you know

2646
02:29:56,600 --> 02:30:00,760
Speaker 1: that this is the Chief's seventh straight AFC Chainampionship game.

2647
02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:05,840
Speaker 1: In those seven games, Patrick Mahomes is thrown two hundred

2648
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:09,920
Speaker 1: and fifty three passes, only eighteen of them were incomplete,

2649
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:14,800
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred yards, fifteen touchdowns, two interceptions. Accumulative passer rating

2650
02:30:14,840 --> 02:30:17,880
Speaker 1: in those previous six games of one twelve point one.

2651
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:19,440
Speaker 1: Do you really want to get in front of a

2652
02:30:19,440 --> 02:30:23,320
Speaker 1: speeding train? Now? If Buffalo wins, you can't tell me

2653
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:25,720
Speaker 1: it won't be wonderful for the great people of Buffalo.

2654
02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:29,400
Speaker 1: One shot the way that thirty four thirty ends and

2655
02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:32,760
Speaker 1: four falls of Buffalo with the Elvis song and imagining

2656
02:30:32,760 --> 02:30:37,640
Speaker 1: that Norwood's kick went through. It's it's tremendous. But look,

2657
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:39,560
Speaker 1: you bet with your heart, you get with heart disease.

2658
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:42,280
Speaker 1: So I'm going with the two home teams. Folks, I'm

2659
02:30:42,280 --> 02:30:44,680
Speaker 1: not telling you what to do. I like the Eagles

2660
02:30:45,160 --> 02:30:47,880
Speaker 1: and I like the Chiefs. Coming up. You know it

2661
02:30:47,879 --> 02:30:50,520
Speaker 1: won't be too much longer until pitchers and catchers report.

2662
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:53,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Dodger hate going on. I'm not

2663
02:30:53,800 --> 02:30:55,800
Speaker 1: even a Dodger fan, but I ain't hating on them.

2664
02:30:55,959 --> 02:30:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why. Now, I get it. They've

2665
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:01,800
Speaker 1: dished out almost one hundred and eighty million this offseason,

2666
02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:04,360
Speaker 1: more than two hundred million more than any other team

2667
02:31:04,360 --> 02:31:07,480
Speaker 1: besides the Mets, who's nine hundred and seventy two million

2668
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:12,119
Speaker 1: mainly went to Juan Soto. LA's twenty twenty five luxury

2669
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:15,000
Speaker 1: tax payroll is going to be three hundred and seventy

2670
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:17,800
Speaker 1: three million this year, by far the highest of any team.

2671
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:23,160
Speaker 1: But I want to give you some perspective. Okay, So

2672
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:25,760
Speaker 1: before you head on the Dodgers, here at what I've

2673
02:31:25,800 --> 02:31:28,240
Speaker 1: got to say. Like there's some sort of evil empire,

2674
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:31,000
Speaker 1: They're not. I'm Bernie Fraddle Company line from the Las

2675
02:31:31,080 --> 02:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Vegas Fox Sports Radio tirack dot Com studios. Keep it

2676
02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:36,039
Speaker 1: locked right here. You're listening to the Bernie Fratter Show

2677
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:38,800
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. I were wrapping it up by

2678
02:31:38,840 --> 02:31:41,360
Speaker 1: the Bernie Fratter Show coming to live from the tyrack

2679
02:31:41,400 --> 02:31:44,440
Speaker 1: dot Com studios here in Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio.

2680
02:31:44,879 --> 02:31:46,600
Speaker 1: For go any further. I want to think my broadcast

2681
02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:48,600
Speaker 1: team back in Los Angeles. They've been with me since

2682
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:53,360
Speaker 1: eleven pm Pacific time on Saturday night. Shane Mark, great

2683
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:55,760
Speaker 1: job as always, guys, turning all the Donalds, keeping us

2684
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:59,160
Speaker 1: glued together, always a lot of fun. Appreciate the efforts

2685
02:31:59,160 --> 02:32:02,800
Speaker 1: and the professionalist them all right. So, the Dodger is

2686
02:32:02,879 --> 02:32:05,920
Speaker 1: very impressive in their World Series victory last year. You

2687
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:09,200
Speaker 1: may you may not know this, but no team has

2688
02:32:09,240 --> 02:32:11,720
Speaker 1: won back to back World Series in a quarter century

2689
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:15,560
Speaker 1: and just two reigning champs in the last twenty five years.

2690
02:32:15,560 --> 02:32:18,560
Speaker 1: You've made it back to the Fall Classic the following year.

2691
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:21,000
Speaker 1: Although if you look at the Dodgers on paper, it's

2692
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:22,840
Speaker 1: hard to imagine they're not. It's not gonna be a

2693
02:32:22,879 --> 02:32:24,920
Speaker 1: hell of a run for them to get there, and

2694
02:32:24,959 --> 02:32:27,080
Speaker 1: why not. They've dished out four hundred and eighty million

2695
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:31,119
Speaker 1: this offseason. That's two hundred million more than any other

2696
02:32:31,160 --> 02:32:33,800
Speaker 1: team besides the Mets. Basically where they paid Juan Soto

2697
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:38,440
Speaker 1: the luxury tax payroll they're going to pay out. You know, well,

2698
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:40,760
Speaker 1: their payroll this year is three hundred and seventy three million,

2699
02:32:41,400 --> 02:32:46,080
Speaker 1: the fivest of any team. And it's not just that

2700
02:32:46,120 --> 02:32:48,640
Speaker 1: they have a lot of referrals, okay, that they have

2701
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:51,119
Speaker 1: a staggering one point four billion dollars in the third

2702
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:55,879
Speaker 1: money on their on their active contracts. The Mets and

2703
02:32:56,200 --> 02:32:58,520
Speaker 1: Red Sox are the only team's to even top fifty million.

2704
02:32:58,879 --> 02:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Imagine that a billion four That's why all of a sudden,

2705
02:33:02,400 --> 02:33:08,160
Speaker 1: people are heeding on the Dodgers. Hate hate, hate, you

2706
02:33:08,200 --> 02:33:14,959
Speaker 1: know what, don't hate on the Dodgers. Here's why. The Dodgers,

2707
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:20,680
Speaker 1: in truth, are not doing anything that any other team

2708
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:24,080
Speaker 1: can't do it. And it's you might say, well, they've

2709
02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:28,000
Speaker 1: got more money, right, Okay, you say that, maybe they do,

2710
02:33:28,280 --> 02:33:33,440
Speaker 1: but they're not just outbidding teams. See, Shohyotani offered his

2711
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:37,840
Speaker 1: seven hundred million contract with deferrals to every single team

2712
02:33:37,879 --> 02:33:41,600
Speaker 1: who wanted to sign him. He just chose the Dodgers

2713
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:46,240
Speaker 1: in the end, Yamamoto had that same twelve year, three

2714
02:33:46,320 --> 02:33:48,760
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million dollar contract offer on the

2715
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:54,000
Speaker 1: table from the New York Mets, same offer. He just said,

2716
02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:57,400
Speaker 1: I want to play for the Dodgers. He chose the Dodgers.

2717
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:02,040
Speaker 1: Rosi Sasaki, who's a different king since he's an amateur

2718
02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:07,240
Speaker 1: international agent, believe it or not, took less to go

2719
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:13,360
Speaker 1: with the Dodgers. Reports tell us that Osaki Sasaki, excuse me,

2720
02:34:14,600 --> 02:34:16,879
Speaker 1: left almost four million on the table to sign with

2721
02:34:16,920 --> 02:34:22,320
Speaker 1: the Dodgers over the San Diego Padres. Even Tioscar Hernandez.

2722
02:34:22,959 --> 02:34:27,520
Speaker 1: He left five or six million on the table to

2723
02:34:27,560 --> 02:34:30,360
Speaker 1: stay with the Dodgers. He said so in the offseason.

2724
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:36,800
Speaker 1: Why here's this quote. The Dodgers. They're just different regarding

2725
02:34:36,840 --> 02:34:40,840
Speaker 1: his motivation to come back. They think about everybody, not

2726
02:34:41,000 --> 02:34:43,480
Speaker 1: only do players, not all of the things I can

2727
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,000
Speaker 1: do on the field. For me, they just give me

2728
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:48,400
Speaker 1: the confidence. I never really got that in any of

2729
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:52,800
Speaker 1: the other places I worked. The Dodgers, who started out

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Speaker 1: as a vanity buy for the Guggenheims years ago, have

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Speaker 1: turned into quite the item. And I know people wanted

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Speaker 1: their twenty twenty Bubble World Series validated, and I guess

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Speaker 1: it was. But look, you know, the Dodgers are going

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Speaker 1: to have the highest payroll three hundred and seventy two million,

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Speaker 1: but other teams spent a lot too. And again, the

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Speaker 1: bottom line, they're risking it, they're putting it out there.

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Speaker 1: Imagine how much your fans are gonna appreciate this, even

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Speaker 1: though no team has won back to back World Series

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Speaker 1: in twenty five years. But again, I'm gonna repeat, they're

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Speaker 1: not doing anything any other team can't do. Chello Tani

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02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,320
Speaker 1: offered the same seven hundred million dollar contract with the

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Speaker 1: same deferrals to every other team who wanted to sign him,

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Speaker 1: and he came closer to signing with the Angels, and

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02:35:43,440 --> 02:35:46,119
Speaker 1: you may realize he just wanted to be with the Dodgers.

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02:35:46,440 --> 02:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Yamamoto same deal. He was offered twelve years, three hundred

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02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:54,000
Speaker 1: and twenty five million dollars a contract from the New

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02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:58,000
Speaker 1: York Bets, the same thing the Dodgers gave him. He

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02:35:58,080 --> 02:36:02,680
Speaker 1: just chose the Dodgers over the mat and Rossi Sasaki. Again,

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Speaker 1: he's a little different. This will be his major League

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Speaker 1: baseball entree debut. He's an amateur international free agent. The

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Speaker 1: San Diego Padres offered him four million dollars more to

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02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:17,800
Speaker 1: sign with them. He said, no, I want to be

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Speaker 1: with the Dodgers, and I gonna hate on the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: Players were choosing them, and again Tasker Hernandez, who had

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02:36:24,879 --> 02:36:26,560
Speaker 1: a hell of a year it was a key cog

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Speaker 1: in helping the Dodgers not only win the World Series,

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02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:32,440
Speaker 1: but throughout the playoffs when it looked like they might stumble,

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02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:35,640
Speaker 1: basically said he left five or six million on the

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Speaker 1: table to stay with the Dodgers because they're different. They

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Speaker 1: think about everybody. I never got that feeling and other

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Speaker 1: places at work. Hey, pitchers and catchers start reporting. February twelve,

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Speaker 1: get used to it. Baseball's on the horizon. Will the

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02:36:50,920 --> 02:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Dodgers repeat? Can people hate on him with the evil Empire?

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Speaker 1: You can do so, but it wouldn't be fair that

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Speaker 1: not the only one with checkbooks. It's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for the Bernie Rotil Show. See you next Friday at

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Speaker 1: one pm. Keep it locked up next to the Great

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Speaker 1: Andy Furman. Fox Sports Radio