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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Democrats have flipped an Iowa Senate

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Speaker 1: seat in a district that went for President Trump. Fight

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Speaker 1: more than eleven points. We have a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today, the New republic Zone. Greg Sargeant stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk to us about how Democrats can more effectively

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Speaker 1: push back against Trump. Then we'll talk to Senator Shared

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Speaker 1: Brown about his run for the Senate in Ohio. But

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Speaker 1: first we have the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, one of the things we knew was never

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Speaker 2: ever ever going to be the case because this is

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who is moored to nothing.

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Speaker 3: And also we know this is his dream.

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Speaker 2: Is that Trump is now said for two days in

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Speaker 2: a row that maybe the American people might want a dictator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is the Donald trumpiest of trumpy things,

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Speaker 1: which is he keeps saying the choie part loud. And

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Speaker 1: remember Trump will then say well, I was kidding, or

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Speaker 1: he'll say this, or he'll say that, but this is

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Speaker 1: the quiet part loud. So the line is that I'm

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Speaker 1: a dictator, but I stop crime, he says. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of people say, you know, if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have a dictator. Okay, First of all, this

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Speaker 1: is this big lie that Trump World is pushing, and

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Speaker 1: they think they have Democrats on because they have some

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Speaker 1: polling which asks if you don't care if Trump is

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Speaker 1: a dictator, and Republicans are saying in these polls, which

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Speaker 1: I think are highly suspicious because I think the way

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Speaker 1: the question is being asked is misleading. But either way,

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Speaker 1: he's gotten these polls that say some Republicans think he

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Speaker 1: should be a dictator if it will stop crime. He

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Speaker 1: is not stopping crime. Maybe having hundreds of federal enforcement

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Speaker 1: officers on the streets is preventing crime for now, but

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Speaker 1: that is not the same as stopping crime. He's not

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Speaker 1: addressing the root sources of the crime. He is not

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Speaker 1: solving homelessness, he is not helping veterans that are on

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Speaker 1: the street. He's not doing any of that. Like the

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Speaker 1: foundation he puts on his hands, this is a band

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Speaker 1: aid for a larger societal problem. But you know, look,

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Speaker 1: my man, he's not just authoritarian curious. He's authoritarian leaning,

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Speaker 1: he's authoritarian experimenting, he's authoritarian whatever, and he's saying it loud.

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Speaker 1: So he also is probably going to send Governor Wesmore

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Speaker 1: to Seacott. So he lied, or maybe it's true, but

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Speaker 1: I think the chance of it being true are zero.

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Speaker 1: He said that Governor Wesmore told him that he was

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Speaker 1: the greatest president of his lifetime. What do you think

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Speaker 1: the chances are that Governor Wesmore said that.

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Speaker 2: I think they're literally the most made up thing of

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Speaker 2: made up things of all time, Just like many things

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Speaker 2: that come out of his mouth.

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Speaker 1: I have trouble even imagining him saying any of that.

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Speaker 2: The amount of times Trump is not moored to any

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Speaker 2: story being anywhere near the way it happened.

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Speaker 1: Right, somebody told Trump he was the greatest president of

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Speaker 2: I am sure many sycophantic Republican congress people have.

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Speaker 1: But not Wesmore. More than tweeted, keep telling yourself that,

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Speaker 1: mister President. On X. This caused the notoriously thin skinned

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Speaker 1: more before going down an authoritarian path. Look, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we do know. Trump is an authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be a dictator. He insists that he's

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Speaker 1: not a dictator, which is very nice of him to

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Speaker 1: assist that. And he says he just has to stop crime.

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Speaker 1: By the way, none of this is about crime. There's

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars of DC taxpayer money that should be

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Speaker 1: released to fight crime, homelessness, pay for judges, etc. You

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Speaker 1: saying he cares about crime. He does not care about crime.

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Speaker 1: And you'll remember when Trump was on the trail running

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Speaker 1: for office and somebody said, well, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: really be a dictator, and he said, do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to be a dictator on.

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Speaker 3: Day one, just day one.

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Speaker 1: Just day one. It reminds me of good people on

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Speaker 1: both sides, right, It's that same energy. You know, you

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Speaker 1: There are some good people on both sides. Anyway, having

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Speaker 2: Normal speaking of abnormal things. For some reason, we now

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Speaker 1: So again, Donald Trump, who you may remember as being

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Speaker 1: He has decided he's going to fire someone he has

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Speaker 1: limits of presidential control over the FED. Important note here

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, which is as craven and trumpest as

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Speaker 1: anything in the world, did in fact write a special

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Speaker 1: addendum when they said that the god King could do

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Speaker 1: We're going to see what happens here. But I see

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Speaker 1: a world where if this goes up to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is so in his pocket. But I do

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Speaker 1: Kevin Hassett out there defending the indefensible, as my man

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Speaker 1: it said. And besides, he wants people on the FED

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Speaker 1: who wear manga hats. You know I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I know you're right. And it really is amazing that

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Speaker 2: this is where we're at, is that you have to

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Speaker 2: we're going to live in a delusion for as long

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Speaker 2: as we can until things go upside down.

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Speaker 1: I think we're heading there pretty fast, looks that way.

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of stuff about a recession today.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. So speaking of trying to sway people your way,

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Speaker 2: it seems that the US is back to its old

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Speaker 2: ways and going and doing influenced campaigns in other countries.

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Speaker 2: And this time it's the fifty five thousand people who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so so dumb. The mind is blown

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Speaker 1: by the dumbness of this. So while previous Republican politicians

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Speaker 1: tried to undermine governments in Latin American nations, this administration

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Speaker 1: that this crew is doing influence in Greenland. Three unnamed

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Speaker 3: Well, Let's also be honest. This is a tibotter tradition.

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Speaker 1: Of American I know, but I feel like one of

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Speaker 1: them who it is, claimed Cambile. The list of Trump's

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Speaker 1: He is also accused of creating a list of those

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Speaker 1: US media. Those Danes, big trouble. Look, I don't fucking know.

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Speaker 1: This is so so stupid and bad. Donald Trump Junior,

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Speaker 2: I like to know him as a person you could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you, that's like the best case scenario.

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Speaker 1: He was joined by political activist Charlie Kirk. Was a tiny,

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Speaker 1: Greenland and they tried to influence. But they are not

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Speaker 1: people in question, and the story look certainly interesting that

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Speaker 1: how you're you know how you know your influence campaign

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Speaker 1: is not influencing. When articles like that are published, that's

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Speaker 2: You know it's really going well when an article also

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Speaker 2: to do this to get Zelenski out of power in

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and that jd Vance was behind it. Wait what

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Speaker 2: the Guardian has this crazy report that jd Vance spearheaded

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Speaker 1: That is just incredible stuff that the But by the way,

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Speaker 1: the fact that this stuff is leaking is a really

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Speaker 1: good sign that people are not having it. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're successfully influencing, there's not an article about it

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Speaker 2: This is not that Yeah, so Molli, prosecutors have failed

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Speaker 2: sandwich at federal agents. Every time the Trump administration loses,

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Speaker 2: it's a really good thing because them continuing to lose

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason for that. Yeah, yeah, you want

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Speaker 1: to know what the reason is, Please tell me, because

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Speaker 1: So federal prosecutors pursue one hundred and sixty thousand cases

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Speaker 1: that is because a lot of this is not legal, right,

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Speaker 1: A lot of this is just them making up shit.

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Speaker 1: And it's great to see that a sandwich guy one

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Speaker 1: box of wine zero. Greg's sergeant is a reporter at

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Speaker 1: The New Republic and the host of the Daily Blast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Greg Sergeant.

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Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: You know, another day in Trump's America. So Trump has

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Speaker 1: these authoritarian leanings, impulses, plans, designs. This week, he is

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Speaker 1: trying to fire someone he doesn't have constitutional authority to fire.

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Speaker 1: He is trying to bend the federal reserve to his whims,

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Speaker 1: the unitary executive theory where he just takes over the

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Speaker 1: talk us through what you see here and what you

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Speaker 1: think the large implications are.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a key tail buried at the

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Speaker 4: core of Trump's effort to fire Fed Governor Lisa Cook.

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Speaker 4: And it's the rationale he's given, which, if it works,

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Speaker 4: can be reshaped and repurposed to do whatever the fuck

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Speaker 4: he wants, by the way, which he said yesterday he

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Speaker 4: can do what he wants.

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Speaker 1: That was amazing, And you'll notice Pritzker did immediately say no,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, every Democrat should be saying that over and

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Speaker 4: over and over.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to like Gavin Newsom, you don't

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Speaker 4: And the big challenge for Democrats right now is, as

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Speaker 4: And someone like Gavin k newso the all caps and

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Speaker 4: the trolling of Trump and the memes or whatever, I

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Speaker 4: guess does that kind of but without the substance of

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Speaker 4: the message, what good would it be?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 1: And I also think like part of what Trump did

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Speaker 1: successfully is that he got into the culture. This is

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Speaker 1: the Steve Bannon thing, right, which is if you're downstream

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Speaker 1: of culture, then you matter. So I think a lot

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Speaker 1: about like the all those headliners podcast selection, it was

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Speaker 1: a podcast selection. He did sneakers, he did Bitcoin, he

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Speaker 1: did going on podcasts, he did all that health influencer stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the RFK secret, right. RFK has all

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Speaker 1: those cre easy health influencers anti vacs. I mean that

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Speaker 1: became a group. And this is I think one of

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Speaker 1: the failings of the mainstream media. You have to be

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Speaker 1: for something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And on the cultural breakthrough you're talking about getting

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Speaker 4: into the culture, I will say I did a piece

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Speaker 4: for The New Republic where I spent some time in Reading, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: which is a city of around seventy percent Latinos in

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Speaker 4: sort of eastern central PA. Someone from Pennsylvania is going

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Speaker 4: to get mad at me for saying that.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: It's like people are so sensitive about geography there. It's

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Speaker 4: like if you're a tiny bit off, they just jump

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Speaker 4: all over you. But reading Pennsylvania, it's a small city.

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Speaker 4: The vote there shifted by an enormous amount. The Latino

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Speaker 4: vote shifted by an enormous amount toward Trump, even though

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris won the city anyway, And what was striking

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Speaker 4: to me was that the Democrats on the ground in

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Speaker 4: the town or small city said almost uniformly that the

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Speaker 4: reason Latinos shifted toward Trump was in no small part

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Speaker 4: because he had punched through into the culture as the

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Speaker 4: guy who builds big buildings, makes a lot of money

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Speaker 4: and fires people on television.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly, And that's something we've heard again and again

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Speaker 1: that the look of being a builder was something that

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Speaker 1: got people excited, even if it's not true when you

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Speaker 1: did this, like have Latino voters who've seen what Trump

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Speaker 1: has done have they been turned off by it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Or now?

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Speaker 4: Well, that wasn't really the subject of the piece. We

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Speaker 4: sort of made this decision not to do person in

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Speaker 4: the street interviews as much because you can get a

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Speaker 4: skewed sample that way. And we tried to talk to

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Speaker 4: people who were on the ground, who were talking to

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Speaker 4: you know, Latino elected officials who had spent six months

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Speaker 4: talking to Latino voters up until the election. That was

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Speaker 4: our main focus, and they were just deeply troubled by

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Speaker 4: how so many Latino voters had internalized this picture of Trump,

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Speaker 4: the one you just laid out, and now in there

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Speaker 4: minds that translated into some sort of evidence that if

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Speaker 4: he were president, the money would start flowing for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and that's a cultural thing, right, that's pure culture politics,

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Speaker 4: being downstream of cultural like, that's I think that's the

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Speaker 4: ban and thing as.

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Speaker 1: Well, Right, Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: Or is that bright bart?

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Speaker 1: It's bright part, but it's ban and too. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: I think more than anyone, he understands that this coalition

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Speaker 1: that Trump has created, which now Trump is punishing with

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Speaker 1: the BBB, how they exist, which I think is important.

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Speaker 4: Thinking about the troops occupying cities and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Dems are kind of reluctant to engage on that, but

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Speaker 4: if you want to start chipping away at the MAGA coalition.

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Speaker 4: That's a good place to not necessarily start, but to

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Speaker 4: sort of land because from the data that I've looked at,

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Speaker 4: these constituencies, the ones that edge towards Trump, working class,

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Speaker 4: non white younger they don't like the urban occupy patients,

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Speaker 4: the military occupations, and they hate the mass deportations, ice

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Speaker 4: kicking indoors and dragging away grandmas and carpenters and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Why not go after that with an eye toward taking

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Speaker 4: away the inroads Trump made with those voters.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I don't understand why Democrats are

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Speaker 1: seguine on this. There is no reason to be seguine.

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Speaker 1: Even just National Guard troops picking up trash in DC. It's,

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Speaker 1: first of all, not what they signed up for, number one.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of these many ways in which Trump

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Speaker 1: is shitting on the military. But also it's not how

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Speaker 1: we do things in this country. I'm really disappointed. And

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Speaker 1: what's so interesting, and again this is the idea of

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Speaker 1: like the mainstream media having fucked themselves, is that like

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Speaker 1: there are mainstream media headlines that are like Democrats backed

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Speaker 1: into a corner on Trump and crime. It's like, no

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Speaker 1: it's authoritarianism. You have to be on the right side

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Speaker 1: of that. No world and what you're on the wrong

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Speaker 1: side of that. They're also wrong about the politics of it.

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Speaker 1: They assume upfront that people will look at troops and

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Speaker 1: cities and believe that they're there to fight crime. It

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Speaker 1: accepts Trump's framing entirely at the outset, and there's absolutely

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Speaker 1: no reason to believe that. There's every reason to believe

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Speaker 1: that these types of voters will look at that and

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Speaker 1: see through what Trump is doing. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: last thing I'll say on this, we have seen polling,

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Speaker 1: actual data which shows large majorities disapprove of Trump's handling

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Speaker 1: of things like law enforcements. So where's the benefit for him.

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Speaker 1: It's just imaginary. The press is just creating it out

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Speaker 1: of nothing. Yep, Greg Sergeant, please come back anytime. Shared

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Speaker 1: Brown is a candidate for Senate in Ohio. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Shared Brown.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Mollie. Good to be with you and my

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Speaker 5: wife particularly.

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Speaker 1: I like you.

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Speaker 5: My wife really loves you, so I'll just let it

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Speaker 5: go at that.

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Speaker 1: That's what I get A lot of the wife really

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Speaker 1: likes you, I know. Been the senator from the state

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Speaker 1: of Ohio. You are now running for this special election.

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Speaker 1: By the way, until you announced, every day I was like,

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Speaker 1: I hope they can get Chared to run for that

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Speaker 1: Ohio special You the only person who can win in

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Speaker 1: Ohio who is not a complete lunatic. So explain to

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Speaker 1: me why that is.

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Speaker 5: I think it's because I talk directly to workers, and

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Speaker 5: when Connie and I didn't really expect to do this again,

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Speaker 5: I found it. Two months after leaving OFFS. I found

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Speaker 5: it something called the Dignitive Work Institute. Because my career

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Speaker 5: has been focused on, you know, fighting this rig system,

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Speaker 5: this economic system, standing up for workers, and we wanted

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Speaker 5: to keep that fight going with this institute. But more

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Speaker 5: in that later if you want. But for several months,

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Speaker 5: we just watch as your listeners and viewers do every day.

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Speaker 5: Every week, things are getting worse in this country. Price

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Speaker 5: continue to go up. The last bill that the clown

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Speaker 5: has passed, the spinalist members of the Senate and the

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Speaker 5: House both taking health insurance away from four hundred and

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Speaker 5: ninety thousand Ohighlands. That's four hundred ninety thousand people in

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Speaker 5: a state of twelve million. That's a huge impact. Major

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Speaker 5: you know, we'll close a number of rural hospitals and

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Speaker 5: small town hospitals are unique in the sense that it

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Speaker 5: means people drive thirty minutes or for an hour to

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Speaker 5: deliver a baby yard for emergency care, and it means

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Speaker 5: in these small towns that hospitals are usually the biggest employer,

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Speaker 5: so it just wipes out the economics of those towns.

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Speaker 5: It's also three trillion dollars add to the budge of deaths.

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Speaker 5: It's also tax cuts for the wealthiest people. It's a

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Speaker 5: bill that there's never been a bill like that that's

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Speaker 5: made the richer this much richer and shrunk the working

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Speaker 5: workers incomes in trunk the middle class that much. So

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Speaker 5: we just couldn't stay on the sidelines. I'm in this race.

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Speaker 5: We're going to win this race because we're going to

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Speaker 5: make the contrast between what we stand for in what

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Speaker 5: John houstaid, the incumbent, the appointed incumbent stands for.

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Speaker 1: Ohio is a very red state. But you had a

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Speaker 1: sort of normal governor. I mean, you don't anymore, but

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Speaker 1: it was like Maine. There were some people there who

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Speaker 1: really did sort of speak to workers and were able

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Speaker 1: to connect with the more rural parts of the state.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of those working people voted for Trump.

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Speaker 1: They thought that Trumpism would work for them. What do

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Speaker 1: you think Democrats need to say to get those voters

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Speaker 1: back on board? Those are your voters, those are Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders voters. I don't think they thought Trump would solve everything.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they voters didn't vote for three trillion dollars

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Speaker 5: attack or three trillion dollars. They didn't vote for five

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Speaker 5: hundred thousand people who's there in the shelth insurance they

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Speaker 5: I think we don't talk well enough and we didn't

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Speaker 5: offer them enough. I mean, that's the only part of

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Speaker 5: the story. But it means we've got to listen to workers.

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Speaker 5: We've got to acknowledge the system is rigged for workers

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Speaker 5: and has been for years. It's just more rigged now.

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Speaker 5: But when we did discussions in the Dignity Work Institute,

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Speaker 5: we found that workers thought the system was rigged, which

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Speaker 5: it is. They thought it was getting worse, which it is.

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Speaker 5: They believe that corporations are fleecing them and their you two,

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Speaker 5: their electric bills and their food costs and their costs

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Speaker 5: for gas. But they also believe most politicians were in

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Speaker 5: bed with those corporations. And what I think has elected

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Speaker 5: me in the past and what will again without going

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Speaker 5: into deep analysis, is I don't think politics has left

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Speaker 5: or right, Molly. I think it's who's on your side?

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Speaker 5: And are you willing to stand up to these interest groups?

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Speaker 5: I always have and I always will, and I will

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Speaker 5: make the contrast. The guy I'm running against, a guy

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Speaker 5: named John Houstead, the appointed senator, was always out front

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Speaker 5: for the drug companies and the utility companies in Wall

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Speaker 5: Street when he was in state government. Now he's doing

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Speaker 5: the same in the federal government. So the voters recognize

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Speaker 5: who this bose special interest guys are, and we're going

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Speaker 5: to make that contrast because, as I said, it's really

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Speaker 5: whose side are you on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? When I saw Trump, Trump would do these things

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Speaker 1: where you talk about inflation and he would say, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to make things cheaper. When you talk to people

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Speaker 1: on the ground, do they get that he didn't do

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Speaker 1: anything to make things cheaper? I mean, like, do you

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Speaker 1: think that narrative is there that people understand that he

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Speaker 1: just said he was going to do something and just

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Speaker 1: didn't saw I think that.

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Speaker 5: I mean people that love Trump, and that's probably thirty

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Speaker 5: five forty percent of the voters in my state, they're

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Speaker 5: going to keep Trump because no offense. But they're not

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Speaker 5: watching you, Molly, They're listening to Fox. They're the one

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Speaker 5: all that without too much analysis. But there is a

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Speaker 5: group of there's a group of people that feel lied to.

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Speaker 5: There's a group of people that they know their lives

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Speaker 5: have gotten worse and they know where to pin the blame.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I mean, that's what our campaign is

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Speaker 5: going to be. It's going to be aimed at those

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Speaker 5: voters who who see that John Hustead is just another

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Speaker 5: tool for corporate interest. He was he was bad in

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Speaker 5: state government and working for the banks and working fute

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Speaker 5: only companies and working for the drug companies. And he's

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Speaker 5: doing the same in the federal government. And that's that's

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Speaker 5: how you win elections in Ohio. That's how election should

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Speaker 5: be one. It's who's it is? Whose side you on?

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Speaker 1: Voters?

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Speaker 5: I think they increasingly see that they know that again

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Speaker 5: they didn't vote for this kind of government that they're getting.

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Speaker 1: Now, how do you win a state like Ohio? What

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Speaker 1: does it look like? What will the next year and

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Speaker 1: a half be like for you?

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Speaker 5: Well, again, you win by showing who your opponent is.

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Speaker 5: You take Wall Street as I have my whole career.

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Speaker 5: You take on the drug companies. When I was in Congress,

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Speaker 5: every year, a couple times a year, I would charter

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Speaker 5: a bus from near Cleveland to Detroit to Ontario, Canada,

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Speaker 5: to Windsor, Ontario, and we'd buy prescription drugs, same drugs

657
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Speaker 5: at half the price. Canada knows how to price drugs

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Speaker 5: and not drug companies run. So I've always been in

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Speaker 5: that battle. I will always stand up to those interest groups,

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Speaker 5: and voters are rewarded that through my career. Last year

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Speaker 5: was different. Without overanalyzing that, last year, Harris lost the

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Speaker 5: state by about twelve points. I couldn't overcome. But this

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Speaker 5: is different, and people have always liked the message because

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Speaker 5: they like what I put behind me. I don't just

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Speaker 5: talk take on the drug companies verbally. I do it

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Speaker 5: in my day to day work in the Senate, which

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Speaker 5: I will continue to do beginning year after next.

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Speaker 1: So what will it be like now for you? What

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Speaker 1: part of the state will you start and will you

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Speaker 1: do rallies sort of? What does it look like? What

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Speaker 1: does the campaigning look like?

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Speaker 5: Don't know yet. We've been in the race for a week.

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Speaker 5: We got in last Monday. Don't push this yet. We

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Speaker 5: got in last Monday, we raised in that first twenty

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Speaker 5: four hours, were raised three point six million dollars. Nobody's

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Speaker 5: ever read much. And that wasn't rerually me was it was.

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Speaker 5: It was the first time that a fairly well known

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Speaker 5: figure around the country was stepping up in a big way.

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Speaker 5: And there is so much energy out there from people

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Speaker 5: that want to take their country back, people that see

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Speaker 5: how much worse it's gotten in the last eight months.

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Speaker 5: So we got we got a contribution from at least

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Speaker 5: at least one in all eighty eight counties, but the

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Speaker 5: average contribution all over the country was fifty three dollars,

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Speaker 5: so and lots and lots of people wrote ten and

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Speaker 5: twenty five and fifteen hundred dollars checks. That's such a

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Speaker 5: good sign because it means that at grassroots Ohio, in

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Speaker 5: the most rural Republican county, that people are pretty incensed

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Speaker 5: about what's going on and are looking for something else.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that because I

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Speaker 1: think that that's so interesting and so important. And actually,

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Speaker 1: as soon as it happened, it was a data point

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Speaker 1: that I ingested because I thought the DNC is having

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Speaker 1: real trouble raising money. They are lagging the RNC. We're

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Speaker 1: seeing a lot of voters mad, really mad at Democrats.

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Speaker 1: It's different than twenty sixteen. They are mad. They feel

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Speaker 1: that they have been the Democrats have let them down. Clearly.

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Speaker 1: They don't feel that way about you, and they don't

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Speaker 1: feel that way about Bernie, and they don't feel that

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Speaker 1: way about AOC. I mean, they sort of feel that

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Speaker 1: way about AOC, but she's a woman, so our whole

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Speaker 1: flame for everything. But we're certainly seeing some people who

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Speaker 1: don't get the blame of that. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: that is? And what do you think that other Democrats

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Speaker 1: can do to sort of catch that.

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Speaker 5: I don't really speak for others where the shortcomings. I

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Speaker 5: know that this has all happened so fast in the country,

708
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Speaker 5: and things have gotten precipitously worse, and all kinds of

709
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Speaker 5: people are fighting back, and nobody really knows what I

710
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 5: think many people in the party, party leaders don't know

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Speaker 5: what to do. But what's been fascinating to me is

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Speaker 5: how many, from the bottom up, just people had started

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Speaker 5: to protest in Columbus soon after Elon Musk was put

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Speaker 5: into whatever he was doing. Ten people I knew probably

715
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Speaker 5: three or four of the ten did a demonstration to

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Speaker 5: test the dealership within three weeks or a thousand people.

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Speaker 5: He did it every set, growing, growing, growing, So there's

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Speaker 5: that everywhere. And you can't help in noticing places where

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Speaker 5: you'd never expect people to protest and people you'd never

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Speaker 5: expect a protest a coming out. So what we're going

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Speaker 5: to do in this campaign, and what I think Democrats

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Speaker 5: elsewhere will do, is work to capture that energy and

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Speaker 5: to turn it in a way that's going to be

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Speaker 5: constructive and elections and after election. I mean, we didn't

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Speaker 5: get social security in this country because a bunch of

726
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Speaker 5: Wall Street people said, you know, people in they retired

727
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Speaker 5: suffer and they don't have any money and they're poor,

728
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Speaker 5: and we ought to give them so security. No, we

729
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Speaker 5: had a social movement that pushed for so security, that

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Speaker 5: continued in it really continued into three decades later, ended

731
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Speaker 5: up pushing for medicaid. Are getting medicare successfully done. So

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that this kind of movement out there,

733
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Speaker 5: so many people are upset, so many people are focused

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Speaker 5: on changing the country. It's going to show up in elections,

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Speaker 5: but I think it's going to show up in what

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Speaker 5: our government does in the next ten years too, And

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Speaker 5: that's the exciting thing to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's really important. The BBB has

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Speaker 1: in it these huge cuts to medicaid. Medicare part of

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Speaker 1: the unspoken about situation is that during COVID there was

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Speaker 1: like a massive medicaid expansion and it was done very

742
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Speaker 1: quietly because there was the money, and these hospitals expanded.

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Speaker 1: We saw it in some red states, all the blue states,

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Speaker 1: you know, some red states didn't want to take the money,

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Speaker 1: but saw it in North Carolina. This bill really does

746
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Speaker 1: just sort of claw back that money, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Ohio is one of the states. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we had a governor that John Kaseik had actually did it,

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Speaker 5: and very few Republican governors did. He wanted to expand this.

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Speaker 5: This was earlier expansion of medic But you're you were

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Speaker 5: talking about during the during COVID, but Ohio kept going

752
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Speaker 5: in that way. But states of dead and I wonder

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Speaker 5: you raise your right hand, take an oath of us

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Speaker 5: to help people in your state, and you don't take

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Speaker 5: help that would help people in your state. I don't

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Speaker 5: find anybody that kind of public service. But they're taking back.

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Speaker 5: I mean, in Ohio half almost a half million, four

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Speaker 5: or eighty thousand people out of twelve million. I'd said

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Speaker 5: that number before, but it's just so incredible that John

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Speaker 5: Houstead and other Republicans in Ohio would vote for a

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Speaker 5: bill that means that many people are going to lose

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Speaker 5: their insurance. So it's not like it's only in big city.

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Speaker 5: It's not only Cleveland that's going to lose. It's the

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Speaker 5: small towns, as you pointed out, it's everywhere the state.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in the city of Mansfield, fifty thousand people.

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Speaker 5: They're just devastated by these Medicaid cuts. It will hurt

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Speaker 5: the relatively small hospital there. It won't close, but it'll

768
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Speaker 5: get hurt, but it will certainly me it'll mean prices

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Speaker 5: go up with insurance for people who are insured. Nobody

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Speaker 5: even talks about that part. And in the rural areas,

771
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Speaker 5: especially which overwhelmingly voted against me and voted for Republicans.

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Speaker 5: So but I represent them too, as I did for

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Speaker 5: eighteen years, and I'll represent them again starting in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty seven, and I'll fight for them, I'll fight against

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Speaker 5: I'll fight to try to roll back these changes and

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Speaker 5: fight that they get their health insurance regardless of who

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Speaker 5: they vote for it. That's what public officials should do.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, all these people in the Senate, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about John Soon, I'm thinking about, you know, the

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Speaker 1: leadership there. These were people who do know better, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Republicans. Why do you think they're going

782
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Speaker 1: along with stuff? I mean, like there's so many examples

783
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Speaker 1: in the BBB of legislation that's just written badly, that

784
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Speaker 1: was sort of thrown into the thing. They've had to

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Speaker 1: go back and do revisions on it. I mean, clearly

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff has gone wrong here. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think these people are just going along with it?

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Speaker 5: That's what historians will look back as the biggest mystery

789
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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five is Teddy Roosevelt was talking about

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Speaker 5: Oliver wende Holmes and he said, who had betrayed him?

791
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Speaker 5: In his mind? Said you could carve a better man

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Speaker 5: out of a banana. You look at the spinelessness of

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Speaker 5: people who many of them I like and many of

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Speaker 5: them I respect, And is it the fear of a primary?

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Speaker 5: Is it the fear for their safety? As people said

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Speaker 5: it was with Jony Earns, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 5: really talk to them now I'm not in the Senate.

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Speaker 5: Might talk to some of my Democratic former colleagues. There

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Speaker 5: are Democrats, but I don't call them. It's not my place,

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Speaker 5: and there's sin ethics rules about lobbying, and I'm staying

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Speaker 5: very far away from that. I don't talk to these people,

802
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Speaker 5: but I am surprised in it, and I'm disappointed because

803
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Speaker 5: some of them absolutely know better. Some of them, I know,

804
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Speaker 5: despise Trump, but they continue and they know better in

805
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Speaker 5: some of these policy issues to give a track. I

806
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Speaker 5: mean most you know, most people in politics on most

807
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Speaker 5: Republicans always want to give more tax cut stories rich people.

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Speaker 5: But this is so over the top. And they say

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Speaker 5: they don't want to cut medicaid. They're lying. They say

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Speaker 5: they aren't cutting medicaid, but of course they are, and

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Speaker 5: it's the only way they can finance their tax cut.

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Speaker 1: But it still grows the deficit quite a bit. So

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Speaker 1: ultimately life, it's not as if any of this is

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Speaker 1: making financial sense.

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Speaker 5: It grows a deficit. Then you're seeing these efforts. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what conservatism is anymore. When when the

817
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Speaker 5: president decides to take over partially take over a company.

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Speaker 5: That's not what I learned with conservatism. But it blows

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Speaker 5: a hole in the deficit. And I'm sure when Democrats

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Speaker 5: are back in power, they'll say the Democrats don't care

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Speaker 5: about the death sit Well, when it's spending on middle

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Speaker 5: income or poor people, whether it's college debt, or whether

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Speaker 5: it's medicaid or whether it's Medicare, and we've got to

824
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Speaker 5: get that under control because it blows all on the deaths.

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Speaker 5: So when it's tax cuts for the rich, that's a

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Speaker 5: whole different thing to them. That's what's so troubling.

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Speaker 1: If we do have mid terms. Let us assume we're

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Speaker 1: going to have midterms. There's a lot of anxiety here

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Speaker 1: about what Trump is going to try to do, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to assume he's going to do

831
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Speaker 1: the worst thing at every point. But if Democrats are

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Speaker 1: able to win back the House and maybe even when

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Speaker 1: back the State, though, that would the math on that

834
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Speaker 1: is more challenging. And then eventually went back to presidency.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that some of the problem with the party

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Speaker 1: has been bringing a stuffed animal to a knife fight.

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Speaker 1: So when you re envision a world where Democrats have power,

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Speaker 1: how open are you to doing things differently and being

839
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Speaker 1: more of a sort of saber ratiley kind of party.

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Speaker 5: I've heard people say Democrats bring a knife to a gunfight.

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Speaker 5: I've never heard people say they bring a stuffed animal

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Speaker 5: to a knife fight.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of true. Right, that's a whole different level,

844
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Speaker 1: but it's kind of true. Like I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: we act.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I remember when we when Democrats were in

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Speaker 5: majority in twenty twenty one. One of the first things

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Speaker 5: we did was a bill I'd worked on for years

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Speaker 5: called the Child Tax Credit. It was a tax cut

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Speaker 5: for the families of sixty million kids, two million kids

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Speaker 5: in all, families of two million kids in Ohio loan.

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Speaker 5: We couldn't make it permanent because we lost one vote

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Speaker 5: we had fifty one with the Vice president. Couldn't get

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Speaker 5: it permanent, but it made a huge difference in people's

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Speaker 5: lives for a want. And we've got to be bold.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we get bold like here's how we

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Speaker 5: gain more power. That's what they do. But we need

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Speaker 5: to be bold and delivering for people. And we need

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Speaker 5: to be bold and showing what we did. When my

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Speaker 5: butch Lewis AC passed one hundred thousand Ohio Union members

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Speaker 5: got their pensions restored, which we're going to be cut

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Speaker 5: by thirty forty percent. I don't think most of them

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Speaker 5: knew it because it was down in the fields in

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Speaker 5: the future that it would be And so.

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Speaker 1: A moment fuckly Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: So this is really really like one of those really

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Speaker 2: sad ones. I'm like a lot of time with fuckery.

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Speaker 2: It's like, wow, this is pathetic. But this is just

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Speaker 2: like so disheartening that we live in a country this

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Speaker 2: rich and Mississippi is declaring an emergency after hitting highest

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Speaker 2: infant mortality rate in the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Mississippi has had just numerous fuck ups.

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Speaker 1: You know that is The governor of Mississippi is a

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Speaker 1: guy called Tate Reeves. He sucks. He's a Biger. They

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Speaker 1: have this huge scandal with the Medicaid and breash far

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Speaker 1: You'll remember that this is what happens when you get

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Speaker 1: mediocre white guys running a state. So they declared a

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Speaker 1: public health emergency last week in response to the state's

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Speaker 1: rising infant mortality rate. The numbers are declaring a public

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Speaker 1: health emergency is more than a policy decision, It's an

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Speaker 1: urgent commitment to save lives. Data collected from the state

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Speaker 1: Health Department reveals that in twenty twenty four, overall, the

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Speaker 1: infant mortality rate in Mississippi increased to nine point seven

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Speaker 1: deaths for every thousand live births. That is pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: The black infant mortality rate is twice as high as

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Speaker 1: the white infant mortality rate. And the problems are congenital malformations,

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Speaker 1: premature bout birth, low birth rate, and sudden infant dees syndrome.

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Speaker 1: These are all, I mean, except with the exception of

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Speaker 1: sudden infant death syndrome. These are all things that can

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Speaker 1: be at least prevented or or malformations. All of these things,

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Speaker 1: you know, these are a lack of prenatal care right,

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Speaker 1: This is prenatal and postpartum care problem. And also it

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Speaker 1: shows how bad off we are. It's a moment of

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Speaker 1: fuckery for Mississippi, but it's really a moment of fuckery

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