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Speaker 1: Building through the draft. Yeah, it's cliche, but is it true?

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Speaker 1: Welcome Birg Gang on today's show, Paul kelvies, He joins me,

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Speaker 1: we hear it all the time from Monty, Austin Ford

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Speaker 1: and every other NFL GM. The best paths to success

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Speaker 1: and really sustained success is through the draft. It's a

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Speaker 1: great tie into this week's Super Bowl. Plus we talk

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Speaker 1: NFL honors. But first we ask why didn't Paul get

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Speaker 1: the invite to play in Wednesday's pro am. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, episode eight forty eight, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Boona Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: So more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Oh, here's Craig Grieler.

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Speaker 1: So we are right in the middle of Super Bowl week. Also,

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Speaker 1: the starts of the Waste Management Phoenix Open, which if

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Speaker 1: you're not in New Orleans, then chances are you're in Scottsdale.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two places to be, unless, of course

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Speaker 1: you're myself and you Paul, because we're here in studio,

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Speaker 1: not at the Open. And I'm really curious why the

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Speaker 1: job as the airs on a Cardinals sideline reporter. I mean, hey,

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Speaker 1: it coach Jonathan Gannon's out there teeing it up on Wednesday, Craig.

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Speaker 3: Years ago, they took my golf clubs and they gave

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Speaker 3: game and they said, here, Calvic, you know what, instead

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Speaker 3: I used to be. Look, there's two kinds of people

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Speaker 3: And I happen to be more in the ladder than

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Speaker 3: old enough, Craig too, like that, positive enough to have

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Speaker 3: covered back when Phil Mickelson was your champion circa nineteen

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Speaker 3: That's it. I mean there was nothing. There was no stadium,

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Speaker 1: I was not there, but I've seen the highlight enough times.

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Speaker 1: a good job of digesting and dissecting a lot of

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Speaker 1: this information as far as how teams are constructed, where

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Speaker 1: they spend their money, how successful they are in the

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Speaker 1: draft and free agency. And something that hit my eye

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Speaker 1: among the stats that have been barbed have we been

435
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Speaker 1: bombarded with this week is the Eagles and the Chiefs

436
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Speaker 1: and how they have constructed their rosters through the draft

437
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Speaker 1: and how many times Paul have we heard GM Monti,

438
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Speaker 1: aussin Ford say and other gms across the league. You

439
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Speaker 1: build winners and sustain success through the drafts because those

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Speaker 1: are controllable assets for three, four, five years, maybe more

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Speaker 1: if you resign as opposed to free agency, because that's

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Speaker 1: where you just kind of plug holes. But to really

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Speaker 1: lay a foundation, it starts in April.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's a quick recap look at the two

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Speaker 3: draft classes by Manti assin Ford. Twenty twenty three Arizona

446
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Speaker 3: Cardinals rookies led the league and rookies, starts, rookie snaps.

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Speaker 3: Then this year they follow up with a twelve player

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Speaker 3: draft class. They've also hit an undrafted rookies as well,

449
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Speaker 3: starling Thomas Amari de Mercato. There have been guys that

450
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Speaker 3: they've been able to stay snag in different ways who

451
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Speaker 3: weren't even in the draft, but they're home grown. There

452
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Speaker 3: were guys that they got out of college. So obviously

453
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Speaker 3: you've seen that, you've seen that as the key strategy

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Speaker 3: to build not only inside out from the align scrimmage out,

455
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Speaker 3: but you build with your homegrown young guys, guys that

456
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Speaker 3: you can bring in and shape immediately to your system

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Speaker 3: and your culture. And then there's the guys they target,

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Speaker 3: And as a recap will refresher on that one. Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Agannon reminded us this year. The first thing to look

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Speaker 3: at is, Okay, do we want this person in our building?

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Speaker 3: And then if the answer is yes, the consensus is yes,

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Speaker 3: then they say, all right, now let's really drill deep

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Speaker 3: into his game film. Let's let's figure out if he's

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Speaker 3: a fit for our schemes. Now that he's a fit

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Speaker 3: for our building and our culture, can he play? Will

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Speaker 3: he help us?

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Speaker 1: The person over the player. Yeah, you need to play well,

468
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Speaker 1: you need to have talent, but they want people in

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Speaker 1: that locker room. And I think it was evident even

470
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Speaker 1: after that first season, during that first season on the

471
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Speaker 1: players who remain from the previous regime and the players

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Speaker 1: that did not remain, either they were shown the door

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Speaker 1: or by their own actions or in actions, they made

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Speaker 1: their way out the door because they just were not

475
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Speaker 1: a fit.

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Speaker 3: Well, once again, look at the four draft classes before

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Speaker 3: monti as import I think you have some of the

478
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Speaker 3: names over there, if I remember right, thirty two draft

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Speaker 3: picks and the four previous draft classes leading up to

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, and then the number kept dwindling and dwindling,

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Speaker 3: and I think currently we sit at five five drafted

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Speaker 3: players left from those four draft classes.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray in twenty nineteen, No. One from twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: Zavon Collins, Victor d. Mucagee in twenty twenty one, and

485
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Speaker 1: Trey McBride, Jesse Luketta in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: So that is called that is called hitting the reset button.

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Speaker 3: That is a rebuild that is coming in and identifying, Okay,

488
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Speaker 3: we're going to get an infusion of new blood and

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Speaker 3: new talent. But at the same time, if you can

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Speaker 3: play and you can fit the culture, you will play

491
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Speaker 3: for monti Osciboord Jonathan again and Trey McBride, Kyler Murray,

492
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Speaker 3: Zavon Collins rewarded with contract extension early this year. So

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Speaker 3: I most encourage by the ability to identify talent in

494
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Speaker 3: these last two draft classes and to pull talent off

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Speaker 3: the street, even like Chad Ryland. Guy comes in. Chad Ryland,

496
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Speaker 3: by all indications, is your kicker for the next decade.

497
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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, if you can have that

498
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Speaker 3: sort of acumen and that sort of ability to identify

499
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Speaker 3: talent that is going to be a good fit for

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Speaker 3: your culture, that's when one plus one equals three.

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Speaker 1: Still a work in progress for the Cardinals as far

502
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Speaker 1: as to be on the level of a Chiefs or

503
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Speaker 1: an Eagles organization that has consistently built through the draft

504
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Speaker 1: and then supplement through free agency or the trade. But

505
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Speaker 1: you look at these rosters in the Super Bowl. The

506
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Speaker 1: Chiefs have twenty eight players that they drafted, fourteen of

507
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Speaker 1: which are starters. The Eagles thirty players that they drafted,

508
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Speaker 1: thirteen starters. And this is based off a current fifty

509
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Speaker 1: three man roster now based on the Cardinals' final roster

510
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Speaker 1: of Week eighteen, twenty players that they drafted twenty one

511
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Speaker 1: if you want to count Jalen Thompson supplemental pick. They

512
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Speaker 1: did have to give up a draft pick the following

513
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Speaker 1: year to make sure that they had JT in the fold.

514
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to count twenty one ten starters in

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Speaker 1: Week eighteen that were draft picks that started for the Cardinals.

516
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Speaker 1: So again, compare to the Chiefs and Eagles. Not great.

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Speaker 1: And then you look at it, right, if those are

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Speaker 1: the numbers of draft picks, twenty five free agents and

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Speaker 1: that number you would hope Paul this coming season, and

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Speaker 1: maybe if this is a sustained successful organization as far

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Speaker 1: as MANI and JG, you want more draft picks. The

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Speaker 1: number of draft picks should outnumber the number of free

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Speaker 1: agents you bring in because free agency, if you have

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Speaker 1: all the talent you have, all the places that you

525
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Speaker 1: have filled at certain positions, they don't need to be

526
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Speaker 1: a big time player in free agency, no matter how

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Speaker 1: much money you have to spend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm really curious to see we should revisit

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Speaker 3: this Week one of the twenty twenty five season after

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Speaker 3: we go through the free agency after you go through

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Speaker 3: an NFL draft, another training camp, before guys knock On

532
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Speaker 3: Wood are injured like Week eighteen, that kind of skews

533
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Speaker 3: the number when number of guys aren't even available. So

534
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Speaker 3: your depth charge and your starters look remarkably different than

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Speaker 3: they do in September. So let's revisit that and see

536
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: after three off seasons, three draft classes, three opportunities to

537
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Speaker 3: go through free agency. But you know, there's always there's

538
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: always that ability to add a big time free agent,

539
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: obviously with the Eagles Saquon Barkley. But at the same time,

540
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Speaker 3: Howard Roseman went out and got Cooper de Gene and

541
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Speaker 3: Quinyan Mitchell, two finalists for AP Defensive Rookie of the Year,

542
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Speaker 3: two starters in their secondary. So once again, and we

543
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Speaker 3: have seen this with Jonathan Gannon, he does not hesitate

544
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Speaker 3: to play. If you can play and you can prove

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Speaker 3: yourself and the coaches can trust you, you will be

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Speaker 3: out on the field.

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Speaker 1: Just look at that first draft class of twenty twenty three.

548
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Speaker 1: Garrett Williams, starting cornerback, Michael Wilson, starting wide receiver, Dante Stills,

549
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Speaker 1: a key piece of that defensive line as far as

550
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Speaker 1: rotation piece, and then this past offseason or past draft class,

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison junior starter Darius Robinson certainly like what we

552
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Speaker 1: saw the back half of twenty twenty four, we hope

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Speaker 1: he becomes a regular rotation piece, if not a starter.

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Speaker 1: Max Melton, I'm very bullish on what he showed late

555
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Speaker 1: in the season. Can he be a number one or

556
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Speaker 1: a number two down the road as a second round

557
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Speaker 1: draft pick? And then you look at Isaiah Adams Christian Jones,

558
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Speaker 1: who were starters in Week eighteen. Tip Ryman, I know,

559
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: maybe not a position of need, but if this team

560
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: is continually going to play run first offense, you're gonna

561
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Speaker 1: need a blocking tight end with the ability to catch

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Speaker 1: the football. Tip Ryman played better than forty percent of

563
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Speaker 1: the offensive snaps this year. As a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: maybe a luxury pick, but he fits with what this

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Speaker 1: team wants to do. Maybe doesn't fit what the fan

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Speaker 1: base views as a third round pick value, but within

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Speaker 1: this offense, he's playing playing a lot and that's why

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Speaker 1: he was selected.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're leading the league in multiple tight end sets,

570
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Speaker 3: then that is a position of necessity and I do

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Speaker 3: a grand thing. Tip Ryman has a lot of upside

572
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Speaker 3: yet to be developed in the past game. You know

573
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Speaker 3: how many times have I clamored for tight end screens

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Speaker 3: with two hundred and eighty three pound tip Ryman. Who

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Speaker 3: wants them just get him in space and then figure

576
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Speaker 3: out who can't get off a block? As who was

577
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Speaker 3: at Starling Thomas told us in the Big Red Rage,

578
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Speaker 3: Or maybe it was Max Melton the DB's call that

579
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Speaker 3: turndown service, or no, it was actually it was Michael

580
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Speaker 3: Carter the offensive guys. When a dB somehow doesn't get

581
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Speaker 3: off a block because he doesn't want to tackle a

582
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Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty pound hard charging tight end turndown

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Speaker 3: survey says. They say in the hotel industry. I don't

584
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Speaker 3: know if you mentioned Paris Johnson Junior, but number six

585
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Speaker 3: pick over all true and so obviously starter from the

586
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Speaker 3: moment he got off the plane and he arrived in Arizona.

587
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Speaker 3: And then there's b Joe Jilauri, and that obviously would

588
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: be a huge addition. If he can be a kind

589
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Speaker 3: of guy that we were expecting to be last season,

590
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Speaker 3: if he can be that guy this season, make a

591
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Speaker 3: full recovery from the torn acl and if he can

592
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Speaker 3: realize his potential and what we were seeing in camp,

593
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Speaker 3: albeit only halfway through camp, he was making some starting

594
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman look really stupid. And so if he can

595
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Speaker 3: be that guy and he can make a full comeback

596
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: and all indications are there's no reason to think otherwise,

597
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Speaker 3: that would be huge. It's a good call on Paris

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Speaker 3: Johnson Junior.

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Speaker 1: Not listed as far as how they were built, because

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Speaker 1: this is based off of the week eighteen roster and

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Speaker 1: you're on ir but you're you're absolutely right. That certainly

602
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Speaker 1: needs to be considered when you have a quarterback who

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Speaker 1: you drafted, a wide US receiver who you drafted, a

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Speaker 1: franchise tackle who you drafted, and then on the flip

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Speaker 1: side defensively, do you have that edge rusher in bj

606
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Speaker 1: or Darius And then on the back end, Buddha Baker, Yeah,

607
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Speaker 1: maybe up there in years, but still a solid player

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Speaker 1: in that secondary and maybe I should say even more

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Speaker 1: than solid, but a second team All Pro player still

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Speaker 1: at his advanced age of what twenty seven, twenty eight,

611
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Speaker 1: even though don't tell that he's old, but hey, football standards, Buddha,

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Speaker 1: you're getting up there in years.

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Speaker 3: And then you know the free agent additions like a

614
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Speaker 3: mac Wilson senior that was really well done. They identified

615
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Speaker 3: a guy and MacWilson Senior told us on the Big

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Speaker 3: Red Rage he had identical contract offers from the Patriots

617
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Speaker 3: and Cardinals, and he liked the way the Cardinals are trending.

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Speaker 3: He liked the culture, what he was seeing from the

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Speaker 3: outside him decided to join the Cardinals, albeit the Patriots

620
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: matching every aspect of the contract offer from the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: So that was good to hear. You hope more of

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Speaker 3: that happens. And then I think maybe you know, if

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Speaker 3: you're looking at the draft this year. Obviously we mentioned

624
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Speaker 3: offensive line, obviously, defensive line, edge rusher, those are all priorities.

625
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Speaker 3: But if you're looking at a middle linebacker, quarterback of

626
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Speaker 3: the defense, not knowing the future at Kaizer White, I

627
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Speaker 3: wonder if that ends up being a low key priority,

628
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Speaker 3: if you will, maybe second or third round, if you

629
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Speaker 3: can find a dude middle linebacker who could be that

630
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Speaker 3: guy and go sideline to sideline for Nick Ross and

631
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, I wouldn't be shocked if the Cardinals go

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Speaker 3: that direction.

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Speaker 1: The name Jalen Walker out of Georgia six two two

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Speaker 1: forty five kind of an undersized edge rusher, but has

635
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Speaker 1: been mocked to the Arizona Cardinals by Daniel Jeremia at

636
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Speaker 1: least his first mock. But you're talking about a first

637
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Speaker 1: team All American Buckus Award winner six and a half

638
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: sacks this past season. But if you're looking for someone

639
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Speaker 1: to be that, and that sounds a little bit like

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Speaker 1: a MacWilson senior, to be honest, six two two forty five.

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Speaker 1: MacWilson Senior is not a prototypical edge rusher as far

642
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Speaker 1: as size, but he makes up for it in his speed,

643
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: his physicality, and his smarts. And to your point, Paul,

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for maybe a younger version of a

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Speaker 1: mac Wilson senior that can get after the quarterback and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you're Nick Rowlis, offenses don't

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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna do. You don't have that middle

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Speaker 1: linebacker that's going to stand in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: defense just waiting for an action play to come to him.

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Speaker 1: He's going to dictate where he goes, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, that plays in the factor what the offense

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Speaker 1: might want to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have that versatility as a player, that's

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Speaker 3: really attractive jo Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rowlinson the defensive side,

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Speaker 3: There's there's no doubt about it. Other mock drafts, though,

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Speaker 3: I've had more traditional edge type body types, you know,

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Speaker 3: James Pierce junior out of Tennessee sixty five two forty three.

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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks has him going number sixteen overall to the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Eric at home NFL dot Com been doing it for

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Speaker 3: a while. Michael Williams six ' five two sixty five

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Speaker 3: an edge out of Georgia. I think Georgia's absolutely loaded, uh,

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Speaker 3: some of the talent they have throughout this draft now.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Booker multiple mock drafts, including mel Kiper, the standout

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Speaker 3: guard from Alabama six five three twenty five T team captain,

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Speaker 3: called one of the safest picks in the draft by

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah, and he's known for being nasty, have a

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Speaker 3: little bit of attitude, playing with a little something extra inside.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: That is somewhere that has been mentioned, probably more than

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Speaker 3: any other, would be the guard from Alabama. Tyler Booker, and.

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Speaker 1: I think it when you read these mock drafts, especially

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Speaker 1: with mel Kiper junior, they all acknowledge the deficiency the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have at edge rusher, but at the point that

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Speaker 1: you select at sixteen, what's the best available? In mel

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Speaker 1: Kuiper's opinion, the edge rushers at that point in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and his words would be, quote a reach. That's why

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Speaker 1: you go with the best available that also fills a need,

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Speaker 1: and that would be an interior offensive lineman and Tyler Booker.

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Speaker 1: Lance zero Line also mocked Booker to the Cardinals in

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Speaker 1: his first mock draft on NFL. So again, as we

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Speaker 1: talk about this draft and the next what six to

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Speaker 1: seven weeks before the draft is upon us, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear a lot of the same names, and it just becomes,

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Speaker 1: all right, what does Monty view as a better selection.

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Speaker 1: Is it that edge rusher, is it that defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: or is it the offensive lineman? Because I think those

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Speaker 1: three positions you can convince me either way, Paul, whichever

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Speaker 1: way you go, that that is an excellent pick at

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Speaker 1: least in April, and then you got to see him

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Speaker 1: perform on the football field, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Not incomprehensible that you would get a Pro Bowl caliber

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Speaker 3: pass rusher at number sixteen. Last year, Jared Verse went

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Speaker 3: nineteenth overall. Micah Parsons a couple of years ago went

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Speaker 3: twelfth overall. So if you're a Miles Garrett, you have

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Speaker 3: these ridiculous measurables and you're the prototypical type of edge rusher,

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Speaker 3: yeah you're going to go at the top of the draft.

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Speaker 3: But there are plenty of talented guys, and this draft

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Speaker 3: is deep enough along the defensive front. You saw to

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Speaker 3: the senior you saw the Shrine game.

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Speaker 1: Really deep.

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Speaker 3: Lot of really good SEC defensive linemen and edge guys

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Speaker 3: that are coming out this year. I think that's beneficial

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Speaker 3: for the Cardinals, unlike some other years or it might

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Speaker 3: have been a little more a dearth of talent. Not

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Speaker 3: the case this year. I think there's gonna be plenty

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Speaker 3: to choose from, and I do think sixteen is high

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Speaker 3: enough to get that guy.

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Speaker 1: It's funny a year ago we were talking about positions

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Speaker 1: of need. It was a number one wide receiver and

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Speaker 1: an edge rusher, and just so happens that, Hey, this

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Speaker 1: draft class is deep at wide receiver. Fast forward to

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Speaker 1: this year positions of need. Hey, this is deep at

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Speaker 1: edge rusher, at defensive line. You can get a talented

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Speaker 1: player on Day two of the draft that can be

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Speaker 1: a contributor maybe even a starter based off what at

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Speaker 1: least what I'm hearing and reading. Again, I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: all these players up close. Kind of takes me a

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Speaker 1: little while in the offseason to kind of familiarize myself

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Speaker 1: with these college players of being focused so much on

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals during the season. But if you listen into

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Speaker 1: what is out there, then yeah, the Cardinals aren't a

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Speaker 1: good position to help their positions that we view our

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Speaker 1: positions of need, especially along the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: And then of course there's a lot of speculation out

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Speaker 3: there about what pass rushers might be available, proven effective

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Speaker 3: pass rushers, and with those teams be willing because they

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Speaker 3: have cap issues to take a draft pick in return,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot still to be determined and decided. As

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Speaker 3: we're here early in February.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's going to be a fascinating off season. All right,

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Speaker 1: the final game of twenty twenty four Super Bowl. We

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Speaker 1: know that you are deep into Chiefs fatigue. However, if

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Speaker 1: you could put your analyst hat on and take off

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Speaker 1: the fan hat forre for him moments, your expert opinion

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Speaker 1: and analysis, Chiefs and Eagles the better team that will

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Speaker 1: hoist that Lombardi Trophy Sunday Night, is which team.

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Speaker 3: Well, if there's one way to beat Patrick Mahomes, same

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Speaker 3: way you would beat Tom Brady, and that is beat

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Speaker 3: them up. And so with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis

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Speaker 3: playing the way they are, the interior of that Eagles

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Speaker 3: defensive line, and if you have to move Joe Tooney

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Speaker 3: out to left tackle again, then I think they're susceptible

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Speaker 3: that interior O line for Kansas City, and that's probably

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Speaker 3: the only way you're going to rattle and beat Patrick Mahomes. So,

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Speaker 3: considering two years ago in the az the Eagles led

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Speaker 3: twenty four to fourteen and a half time and then

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Speaker 3: lost on the field goal at the very end. Considering

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Speaker 3: the Eagles do appear to have a complete team all

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Speaker 3: three levels of the defense, they obviously have the run game.

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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley has said it he is ultra motivated to

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Speaker 3: prove that a run game can lead a team to

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Speaker 3: a Lombardi Trophy. For all that and the fact that

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Speaker 3: it's never happened before, no team is three peeded in

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Speaker 3: modern NFL history, I don't think it happens this year.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a close game again, except this time

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Speaker 3: the Eagles prevail.

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Speaker 1: Funny you mentioned Patrick Mahomes trailing against the Eagles again,

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Speaker 1: Insights and analysis from NFL. They bombard you with all

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Speaker 1: these stats. All three Mahomes' Super Bowl wins have come

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Speaker 1: when he has trailed at some point in the fourth quarter. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he has twelve straight playoff starts without a fourth quarter turnover.

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Speaker 1: The man seemingly finds a way to get the job

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Speaker 1: done in the fourth quarter. So if the Eagles have

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Speaker 1: not buried the Chiefs by the time the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: comes around, and I say bury, meaning that it's like

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Speaker 1: a twenty eight point lead, just don't count out the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and a potential three peat.

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Speaker 3: And I get it. It's a passing league. It's a

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Speaker 3: passing game. No team has won a Super Bowl with

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Speaker 3: a rushing champion since the Broncos and Terrell Davis. I

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Speaker 3: get it, nearly thirty years ago. And they're calling Patrick

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Speaker 3: Mahomes the human dynasty. You know, five Super Bowls and

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Speaker 3: seven years. I get it. He's won nine straight playoff games, okay,

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Speaker 3: and he's seventeen and three time in the postseason. It

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous, and you're not going to make a living

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Speaker 3: betting against Patrick Mahomes. But I just think for everything

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Speaker 3: we just talked about, and that Eagles offensive line, which

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Speaker 3: is no joke because you know what people don't realize

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Speaker 3: is Chris Jones, and that Kansas City defense is so

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Speaker 3: much more than maybe people realize or they're prepared for. Well,

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Speaker 3: the Eagles ole line is equipped, I think for the

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Speaker 3: Kansas City for the against City defensive front. And with

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Speaker 3: that in mind, you're able to control the ball. And

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts has exceeded my expectations. He really has. But

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Speaker 3: once again, there's only one Patrick Mahomes. How can you

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Speaker 3: beat him? I think this game is a referendum for

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Speaker 3: all thirty one other teams. Can you build a really,

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Speaker 3: really good roster and can you play really sound football?

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Speaker 3: And can you still run the ball? And will that

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Speaker 3: lead you to a world title? That to me is

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Speaker 3: the most intriguing angle of this entire thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't make mistakes. And the teams that have made

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Speaker 1: the fewest amount of mistakes are the team teams that

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Speaker 1: have consistently won in the playoffs. And you got the

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Speaker 1: final two and the Eagles and the Chiefs coming up

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Speaker 1: on Sunday in Super Bowl fifty nine should be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Until then, Paul, go find the golf

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Speaker 1: clubs that are probably stashed in the way back of

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Speaker 1: that garage and find that golf game again.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you say that there was a

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Speaker 3: spring cleaning at COSTAKELVC just two weekends ago, and the

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Speaker 3: amount of dust that I actually had to take off

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Speaker 3: the golf bag as I moved it even even deeper,

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Speaker 3: even further away from actually seeing a golf cart. It's

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Speaker 3: buried more than ever in my garage right now. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of sad, actually, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul has m seed more golf events than he's

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Speaker 1: participated in golf events.

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Speaker 3: That's the stat of the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, when you rock with the nickname Paulie three putt,

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Speaker 3: there's cause and effect there.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lit on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, probably

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim mam Andre, our associate producer Cody Fincher.

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