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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry sitting in for Dave c.

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Speaker 1: And this is short stuff about the Have Alina one

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Speaker 1: of the most interesting animals of all time. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: one came to me. This was my pick. And I

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Speaker 1: was watching for the probably fifteenth time the Royal Tannon

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Speaker 1: bombs and I always loved the part where Gene Hackman

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Speaker 1: looks up on the wall where his stuff to have

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Speaker 1: Helena head is missing, and he goes, where's my Helena?

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Speaker 1: And I was always like, what does have Elina? It's like,

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Speaker 1: is it something that only exists in Wes Anderson's world

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Speaker 1: or is it a real is it a just a

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Speaker 1: funny name that he calls a hog or a boar?

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Speaker 1: And it turns out, Havelna is I have Alena? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And actually doesn't it? First of all, what a great movie, manah,

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Speaker 1: good movie. Um. And and secondly, I Have Elena is

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Speaker 1: not a boar or a hog because those are true pigs.

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Speaker 1: Turns out to have Lena is only distantly related to

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Speaker 1: the pig family. Um, It's a collared peckory. And it's

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting because the differences between it and a pig

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Speaker 1: are kind of surprising, especially if you just see one

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Speaker 1: of these things and you're like, oh, it's a pig,

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Speaker 1: or it's a war hog, is probably what you would say. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would think I would probably call it a boar

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Speaker 1: because we do have boars here in the South. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There they I'm not sure when the video came out,

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Speaker 1: but they did pop up on the news when a

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Speaker 1: viral video was released by Reese real estate agent and

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Speaker 1: Tucson who did this great video. I'm sure you watched

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Speaker 1: it of this have Alena just trucking like kind of

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Speaker 1: beside this apartment complex by itself, Holland Butt and you know,

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Speaker 1: you you always hear that like boars and have Elena's

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Speaker 1: like can be really fast, and you know they're big,

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Speaker 1: they're big animals, and you're like, how can they be

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Speaker 1: that fast? But then when you see this thing flying

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Speaker 1: down the road fast, it's kind of cool. And then people,

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Speaker 1: of course put music to it and it became a

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Speaker 1: big thing. But aside from that, if you don't live

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Speaker 1: in you know, uh, probably the handful of states where

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Speaker 1: you might see wild Havelna's, you might not know that

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Speaker 1: they're even a thing at all. Yeah. Um, they're they're

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Speaker 1: pretty cute looking, actually, especially if you're if you think

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Speaker 1: boars are cute, because they do like a little bit

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Speaker 1: like boars, like war hogs, but they're much smaller. There

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Speaker 1: may be two ft tall up to fifty pounds, which

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Speaker 1: is not not much. You can pick up a havelina

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Speaker 1: if it would let you. Sure you don't want to, though,

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Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons that we'll get into in

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Speaker 1: a minute. Um. But one of the big difference is

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Speaker 1: that they don't have a tail um or at least

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Speaker 1: not one that you can see um orreas of course

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Speaker 1: pigs do. And then another thing that really stands out

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Speaker 1: about the hevelinas is that they tend to hang out

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Speaker 1: in herds much more than a pig. Pig will hang

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Speaker 1: out with you human, whereas the hevelina isn't want anything

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Speaker 1: to do with you and would rather hang out with

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Speaker 1: its own people. That's right. Uh. And you know this

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Speaker 1: is uh. This is a shorty from the house Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works website, and they kind of tick off just a

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Speaker 1: bunch of interesting facts and myths and things. And another

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Speaker 1: the base of their tail, and they use that to

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Speaker 1: identify one another. They use it to mark their territory.

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Speaker 1: They will use it to mark each other. They will

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Speaker 1: like bump scent glands against each other. Uh. Pigs are

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Speaker 1: Old World, meaning from Africa, Asia, and Europe, whereas these

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Speaker 1: So you know, they look a lot alike, but they

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Speaker 1: you could distinguish them because they do all look like um,

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Speaker 1: or at least they do bear a similarity to pigs

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Speaker 1: is that have alina's. Uh, their noses are different. And actually,

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Speaker 1: now that I say that out loud, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if pigs all have different noses, but with havilina,

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Speaker 1: And then tangentially related to that, there, they have a

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Speaker 1: and they're very stinky um. But so they both smell

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Speaker 1: They're called musk cogs are skunk pigs sometimes because of

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Speaker 1: And they also sometimes I think, have been confused for rodents.

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Speaker 1: people do think they're rodents. So chuck, since we're just

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Speaker 1: tossing out facts about Heavelina's um. One of the other

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Speaker 1: things that I like is that they can't see very well.

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Speaker 1: They can see about thirty feet away, almost like they're

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Speaker 1: they're you're sighted, not even almost like they are near sighted.

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Speaker 1: They rely mostly on smell um. But because of that,

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Speaker 1: they it's easy for a human to get close to them.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to leave it for the other side

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Speaker 1: of this commercial break to answer whether that's a good

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Speaker 1: like starts the sky, there is so much stop it's

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Speaker 1: actually a bad thing. Okay, here we go, got it.

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Speaker 1: That's a quick answer. It really was. Let me elaborate

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Speaker 1: the reason why it's bad is because Heavelina's have a

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Speaker 1: reppie tation at least out west Um for being ferocious,

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Speaker 1: and that may or may not be uh deserved, you know,

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Speaker 1: because supposedly people who are have Alina experts like cornuler

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Speaker 1: Uh and their ilk um say that no, they're they're defensive.

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Speaker 1: They're defending their territory. More often than not, they're defending

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Speaker 1: their young. And you've just kind of startled them because

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Speaker 1: you've gotten you've gotten close to them, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: And now they're saying, back off, our kids are here,

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Speaker 1: whereas if you're a human, you're just seeing some scary

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Speaker 1: hell pigs coming at you as a group. Basically, yeah uh.

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Speaker 1: They are even what is known as even towed ungulates,

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Speaker 1: which means they are hoofed mammals. But they bear the

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Speaker 1: weight and this is this gets a little wonky, but

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Speaker 1: I love it. They bear the weight almost equally on

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Speaker 1: their third and fourth toes um, rather than like a

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Speaker 1: You know, I saw a really cool documentary on horses

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Speaker 1: called Equis e q u Us. It's about like the

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Speaker 1: natural history of the horse and they talk about how

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Speaker 1: the horse, the feet of the horse is actually just

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Speaker 1: one toe, so like the horses are walking on four toes.

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Speaker 1: That's what they walk and run on. Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 1: It is? And uh, I love I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: see that documentary. Do they talk about Cumberland Island, Georgia

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Speaker 1: That is uh if you're listening and you don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about it. One of our barrier islands here in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Cumberland Island is as still has wild horses that roam free. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's amazing. It is amazing. You can see video of them.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have to go down there for it.

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Speaker 1: But when when you travel the Gumberland Island, know it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It is. I've never been, I've just seen it on video,

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Speaker 1: but it looks pretty beautiful. It's great. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that really struck me, Chuck, was the second part

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Speaker 1: like Mongolia, that stuff, so I get us. I watched

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Speaker 1: next day I was queueing an episode on animal domestication

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Speaker 1: and we talked about the exact same thing, like six

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Speaker 1: eight years before. Yeah, see how that happens in that

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Speaker 1: neat that timing though, from one night to the next day,

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Speaker 1: That Mandela effect. Is that what that is? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I think it's more. Oh, maybe it touches

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Speaker 1: I was thinking. The stuff you should know efect. We

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Speaker 1: should have our own effect by now. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: all these years but a different effect. Yeah, yeah, totally

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Speaker 1: different meaning of the world. Here's another Havelina back to

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Speaker 1: Halna is another Havelina factoid. That other thing is kind

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Speaker 1: of cool is that they are generally herbivores um. They

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say something like boots. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wish I had another one. Roots shoots, very nice

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Speaker 1: chuck all right, so um yeah, but yeah, the one

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Speaker 1: But um, I also saw a video of aveline and

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Speaker 1: of the cutest dang things I've ever seen. Helena was

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Speaker 1: what I should search to see that? I would just say,

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Speaker 1: Hablina dog play, and I bet you that'll take you

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Speaker 1: right there in boots. In boots, you got anything else

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Speaker 1: about have Alina's no? I think they're the the unsung

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Speaker 1: uh heroes of the even todungulate community. Very nice, Well, everybody,

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