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Speaker 1: the Salty Dogs. Hello again everybody, and welcome back to
Speaker 1: I Guess, the final Salty Dogs podcast of the two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen season. Even though we're two days into two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. Yeah, Happy New Year, by Happy to Year,
Speaker 1: jeff I'm Scott Smith's Jeffrey. Then we have an honor
Speaker 1: resalter Dog with us, Casey Phillips, Thank you guys for
Speaker 1: having me. Love to kick off the new year. Feel
Speaker 1: honored to be on this show. Well, you were actually requested. Wow,
Speaker 1: we're requested guests. One guy sent us like a multipart question,
Speaker 1: and one was when you're gonna have Casey on again? Wow?
Speaker 1: Well he became my new favorite fan right there. I
Speaker 1: don't remember his name. My reply was, it doesn't Casey
Speaker 1: do enough? She's on every video? Yeah, I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: but this one is sounds like particulate special. Sounds like
Speaker 1: he's getting your case for working too hard. Casey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's rough. I don't know how I'm gonna
Speaker 1: to handle this burn, this sick burn over here. That's
Speaker 1: that's what you do when when you're trying to get
Speaker 1: your next job, you say when they ask you, you know,
Speaker 1: what's your weakness? I just sometimes I just work. I
Speaker 1: care too much. That worked too hard. All of my
Speaker 1: weaknesses are mostrain. So here's what you're here for, Casey
Speaker 1: to join us in a sort of a wrap up
Speaker 1: of the whole season. We usually end up talking at
Speaker 1: length about the last game, but we're just gonna take
Speaker 1: a bigger picture. Look here, Yeah, I agree, So we'll
Speaker 1: do We'll do things like state our opinions on Team
Speaker 1: MVP and things like that. But is there any topic
Speaker 1: you want to go over before we get to that, Jeff,
Speaker 1: pretty good, I mean kind of mellowed after the Are
Speaker 1: you mellow right now? After the new year? Out with
Speaker 1: the old, in with the new. It's a new mellow
Speaker 1: less less because I've only been at work for two
Speaker 1: and a half hour and there's no reason to Jack.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna have to pick up my saltiness
Speaker 1: level to make up for years. You've got something you
Speaker 1: I have a number or a stat think is the
Speaker 1: most incredible stat about our entire season, the five thousand yards.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. But I think this is more telling. I
Speaker 1: think this sums everything up. The Buccaneers led the league
Speaker 1: in points allowed off of turnovers with you know, there
Speaker 1: was a bunch of picks six is there was a
Speaker 1: lot of turnovers. That was clearly the problem with the season.
Speaker 1: Right this team takes, you know, put to cut those
Speaker 1: turnvers in half. Give us the defensive turnaround we got
Speaker 1: in the second half, and the obviously prolific abilities of
Speaker 1: the offense, and I think you're at least a winning
Speaker 1: team and maybe in the playoffs. So that's not the
Speaker 1: whole stat though. Wait, there's more behind Drew, I am
Speaker 1: please tell me Jeff had to quit some some young
Speaker 1: people at lunch the other day. Where does that come from?
Speaker 1: Some young people? You know where? I mean? I know
Speaker 1: it comes from a game show, but which one? I
Speaker 1: don't think I can name you? Which one's I thought
Speaker 1: of it the other day? Um? Yeah, yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: what's behind door two is the fact that despite allowing
Speaker 1: the most points off turnovers, the Buccaneers actually outscored their
Speaker 1: opponents in points off turnovers. We had a hundred thirty
Speaker 1: points scored off of turnovers, which is fantastic. You lead
Speaker 1: leading points scored off turnovers, you're usually in the playoffs
Speaker 1: unless you're also leading in Uh so doesn't that pretty
Speaker 1: much say that? As as astounding as that is, it's
Speaker 1: not shocking. It just does well you saw it well, no,
Speaker 1: because this was the year of Can you believe it
Speaker 1: was quarterbacks and then thirty for thirty? Can you believe
Speaker 1: you had five turnovers in a game and you only
Speaker 1: lose by three points? Can you leave that? Can you
Speaker 1: believe you had a you have? Well, at the time
Speaker 1: they got hurt, you had the second and third leading
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL, and and coach thought they would
Speaker 1: both get and then can you believe they both pulled hamstrings?
Speaker 1: Can you can you believe we have the sack leader
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Yeah, that's what I thought was cool
Speaker 1: about that statu is just what it shows about what
Speaker 1: our defense has been able to do to even create
Speaker 1: that many turnovers, to have that many options to score points.
Speaker 1: And to me, one of my can you believe was
Speaker 1: how many games we were saying that the defense saved
Speaker 1: the day that after the identity of this Buccaneers team
Speaker 1: for several years, that we were used to saying, well,
Speaker 1: thank goodness, our offense can score forty points. And this
Speaker 1: year there were several games that it was, man, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: our defense held them, Our defense forced turnovers, and it
Speaker 1: was just such a it seemed like such a shift
Speaker 1: in narrative. It was about mid season where that shifted,
Speaker 1: because I mean, think of the Rams game. Defense didn't
Speaker 1: help a lot in that one. Uh, they helped enough.
Speaker 1: They scored the winning touchdown that they didn't give up
Speaker 1: fifty six. There you go, all right? So that was
Speaker 1: that Those are our favorite stats. It's a good stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Can you believe we have the sack
Speaker 1: leader because hey, we've never had it before, even worn
Speaker 1: SAP when he had sixteen point five, Leroy Glover at seventeen,
Speaker 1: but going into last weekend because Chandler Jones went off
Speaker 1: in week sixteen got four. Yeah, so he's at nineteen
Speaker 1: and Shacks at sixteen point five and that point, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking there's no way. And he and we actually talked
Speaker 1: about it a little bit because it looked like he
Speaker 1: was going to lead wire to wire and and then
Speaker 1: he loses it, and he loses it. Yeah, yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: like Shack, just letting us wait till the last minute
Speaker 1: that last game, really trying to hold on it and
Speaker 1: like almost I love the JPP got several sacks the
Speaker 1: game before, but I wanted to be like, stop, let's
Speaker 1: shack that one, which is I'm aware not how it works,
Speaker 1: but but it's pretty cool. On bucks dot com or
Speaker 1: on the app, you can see where they miked up Shack,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool that JPP was very excited for him,
Speaker 1: saying you got it, you got it. If you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, you know, three weeks, maybe this week, maybe
Speaker 1: this week maybe called small programming. JPP ended up with
Speaker 1: eight point five sacks and I only played what ten
Speaker 1: games like that, and he wasn't really in total great
Speaker 1: football shap when he first got back. What do you
Speaker 1: think he would have had and what do you think
Speaker 1: Shack would have had if JPP had been here all year? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm of the rising tide lifts all boats kind of philosophy,
Speaker 1: so I don't think he would have seriously cut into
Speaker 1: checks total. But yeah, if he had played the whole
Speaker 1: year and would be playing at the level he's playing
Speaker 1: at the end, you gotta believe he makes it into
Speaker 1: double digits, that would be an amazing right. But we
Speaker 1: ended up with forty seven sacks, which is the second
Speaker 1: most we've ever had, So the pass rush is there,
Speaker 1: at least until March. I'm saying, then we get him back.
Speaker 1: Only six minutes in the podcast and you're already all right,
Speaker 1: you ready for this round table type discussion. Let's start
Speaker 1: with Team MVP. Alright, let me open this up, open
Speaker 1: one up. Oh you got some? No, I don't I have.
Speaker 1: This is really kind of embarrassing because Casey's sitting with
Speaker 1: papers in front of her. You're sitting in with with
Speaker 1: papers in front of you. I have nothing all I'm
Speaker 1: doing is looking at all I have is your email
Speaker 1: saying hey, here's what I wanted. I'm also going to
Speaker 1: tell you, so you don't really have to. Well, I
Speaker 1: understand Casey did a stacking the papers. Yes I did,
Speaker 1: and you're lucky it didn't make any ambies because Jeff
Speaker 1: hates the ambient noise. Oh man, when you have a well, see,
Speaker 1: if I get asked to be on Salty Dogs, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come prepared. I'm gonna come with my research. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm taking the show seriously, unlike Ja. All
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I don't need to write it down.
Speaker 1: I lived it, Okay, Okay, it's all stored up in
Speaker 1: his memory bank over there. Yeah all right, so you
Speaker 1: go first case he has our guest. Who's who's the
Speaker 1: team MVP? Okay, Um, So this is actually the one
Speaker 1: that I think I struggled with more than any of
Speaker 1: the others. All the others, like, I had things that
Speaker 1: came to me. Yeah real quick. I kind of really
Speaker 1: put on the I know, I was really hoping this
Speaker 1: was the one that I wasn't going to go first on,
Speaker 1: but um, I decided to go with Chris Godwin Um,
Speaker 1: I felt like it's the combination of not only what
Speaker 1: he did, but the fact that he made everybody else
Speaker 1: better that what he lets Mike then do, and the
Speaker 1: fact that, again we talked about how rare it is
Speaker 1: to have two teammates over a thousand yards, two teammates
Speaker 1: at the same position making the Pro Bowl, that that
Speaker 1: is rare, that usually it is sort of more of
Speaker 1: a cannibalistic thing. One guy has an amazing year and
Speaker 1: it takes away from everybody else. But he was so
Speaker 1: reliable and made plays in big moments, And I think
Speaker 1: about his you know, his catch in Atlanta for that
Speaker 1: long touchdown early on when we're down three oh, and
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of turnovers, like he was the
Speaker 1: kind of guy that could really elevate the moment and
Speaker 1: the team and and open things up for Mike Evans
Speaker 1: and and keep Mike from being able to just only
Speaker 1: be the one doubled all the time. Um So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I felt in his his work ethic, his
Speaker 1: locker room presence, everything that they talked about, even as
Speaker 1: a rookie, he just didn't act like one at all.
Speaker 1: So his demeanor and then his actual just xs and
Speaker 1: O's abilities and then what he did for the rest
Speaker 1: of the offense overall for jamis as a security blanket.
Speaker 1: At times I thought was really big, if we're at like,
Speaker 1: if we're this is a democratic debate or something. I
Speaker 1: think I think she said at all, Like I just
Speaker 1: say said what she said. H Well, I mean it
Speaker 1: would have been my number one choice as I wrote
Speaker 1: down three names, him and Shack and Lavonte David, but
Speaker 1: I think I'd go with god one in the end say,
Speaker 1: I went with Lavonte David. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: went with Lavonte David is because of his leadership ability
Speaker 1: that showed this year that out of and some people
Speaker 1: would think out of nowhere, but Levante is a quiet leader.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a quiet guy anyways. But the presence
Speaker 1: he took command of the locker room and the fact
Speaker 1: that the defense was playing so poorly in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and uh, the young guys were paying attention to him
Speaker 1: and he was Yeah, he played. He had a good year.
Speaker 1: It gets overshadowed when you're not winning. But I think
Speaker 1: his leadership ability made him the m v P because
Speaker 1: we are not going to the playoffs. But I think
Speaker 1: where we got was because of his leadership. It's a
Speaker 1: good choice. I agree with that. One of the good
Speaker 1: things about the less stretch of season as I felt
Speaker 1: like people started to give Lavonte the love that he deserves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was getting talked about a lot more, and he
Speaker 1: tends to be overlooked quite a bit, like as in
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. Yeah. I don't normally discuss or have,
Speaker 1: you know, say, my conversations what I have with players,
Speaker 1: but I am going to share this because they thought.
Speaker 1: I thought it was so telling. I saw Levante on
Speaker 1: Monday when we were you know, players are leaving, and um,
Speaker 1: we shook, gave a hug, and um, he said, I
Speaker 1: am so excited, And I said really, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I am so excited for the young guys. How well
Speaker 1: they came together. And that's why I say about that,
Speaker 1: is he he just said that how quickly they were
Speaker 1: grasping once it came together, you know, once they started
Speaker 1: to understand. And if you start looking at the statistics
Speaker 1: of the beginning of the year and where we end
Speaker 1: up this time, it's it's it's pretty strong. And you know,
Speaker 1: we always hear that someone's got to be a leader,
Speaker 1: someone's got to do something, and I was surprised during
Speaker 1: the year when uh, Bruce arians made a comment, you know,
Speaker 1: what did you say after a game? He said, I
Speaker 1: have to say anything Lavante Davon. I think that was
Speaker 1: after that Tennessee game that was such a brutal loss,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you heard that. It was that he really
Speaker 1: did go in there. And it is the fact you
Speaker 1: mentioned he's he's a quieter player in general. That to
Speaker 1: me makes it more um impactful when he does speak.
Speaker 1: That if it's someone that's always talking, there's maybe not
Speaker 1: that way to elevate it. But because he is just
Speaker 1: more of a lead by example guy, when he says something,
Speaker 1: people listen because he does back it up with his play.
Speaker 1: And there were there was the Tennessee game, and I
Speaker 1: think one or two other games where you heard that
Speaker 1: if it was either at halftime or after the game,
Speaker 1: he was the one really stepping in, stepping up to
Speaker 1: say this is not who we are, this is unacceptable,
Speaker 1: and you could tell it made an impact on the guys.
Speaker 1: It's the Tony Dungee theory. He always said, you know,
Speaker 1: he was famously not didn't raise his voice much, and
Speaker 1: the players would say he was that kind, he was
Speaker 1: that teacher at school that didn't raise your voice, but
Speaker 1: when he did gave you a little bit attention. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gave you a look. Well, I think it's fun too,
Speaker 1: is you know, we can discuss m v p s.
Speaker 1: But it's nice that we have a number of them,
Speaker 1: and I can remember there are times that we you
Speaker 1: were looking hard. It's by the way, we're not going
Speaker 1: to do any breaks in this one. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: straight through. So if you came here for that great
Speaker 1: interstitial music, yeah you're not getting music. I mean that's
Speaker 1: why I'm here. That means my life is simple. I
Speaker 1: drop it in and go unless case he starts customing. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you alright. Next one biggest surprise of the season,
Speaker 1: would you like to go first shift? Well, I think
Speaker 1: your biggest surprise for me would be shock. I just
Speaker 1: I did not you know, I knew he was a
Speaker 1: good player. Um, he's also a really pretty cool person.
Speaker 1: I think nineteen point five Sex came as a big
Speaker 1: surprise to so many names. I think, ye. But interesting enough,
Speaker 1: he was in Denver and we had him on the
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs and he had talked about how he you know,
Speaker 1: he was learning behind Von Miller. He was always in
Speaker 1: the back. The games he did play in in Denver,
Speaker 1: he was getting a sack. He was getting a sack
Speaker 1: like almost. I'm not saying he didn't believe it himself.
Speaker 1: He definitely believed himself. His goal, as he said, was
Speaker 1: to get to double digits, and he almost doubled that.
Speaker 1: So and and it's fascinating that. Um, you know, he
Speaker 1: bet on himself and I'm always a big believer. He won.
Speaker 1: He won. I mean, he took a deal, He had
Speaker 1: a couple of options. He took a one year deal.
Speaker 1: I mean four million dollars. There is a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but it's it is amazing. And again, I also like
Speaker 1: the root for the guys that are really good guys.
Speaker 1: Yea truly, Um I had that is my number one
Speaker 1: choice too. But I'll give one other choice, the fact
Speaker 1: that the secondary came together, uh, you know, in the
Speaker 1: second half of the season, because you could We've seen
Speaker 1: seasons and very recently where the secondary was struggling and
Speaker 1: it just never got better, right, And we were at
Speaker 1: this time at one point you could you could reasonably
Speaker 1: be looking at this going, oh man, the Bucks have
Speaker 1: really dropped a lot of assets into the secondary draft
Speaker 1: assets and it's not happening. You're gonna have to start over.
Speaker 1: And you know, because we had Rummer Bunting and Carlton
Speaker 1: Davis and Jamal Dean and nim G Stewart and Mike
Speaker 1: Edwards and Jordan Whitehead. All these were recent draft picks.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it came together, it changes everything.
Speaker 1: And we didn't now in retrospect and go, Okay, I
Speaker 1: get it. There they've young guys, I think, no offense,
Speaker 1: but I think the release of Vernon Hargraves helped kind
Speaker 1: of put the you know, it made it easier for
Speaker 1: Lavonte David to be a leader, and it let these
Speaker 1: guys kind of forge their own path and they decided
Speaker 1: to work harder and harder. That was the That was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a surprise, A very pleasant one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shack was my pick as well. If I was going
Speaker 1: to go with another one, I think my mind might
Speaker 1: be um the way that Breshad Paraman finished the year,
Speaker 1: because I mean he just at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season just was almost a non factor. And when you
Speaker 1: thought that he was going to be your solid number
Speaker 1: three target, I mean yes, again, Mike and Chris are
Speaker 1: taking a lot of your targets and and coach kept
Speaker 1: talking about how it was just opportunities. But all the time,
Speaker 1: it's just an opportunities. But like you know, coaches are
Speaker 1: going to say that regardless, you know, because they're not
Speaker 1: gonna so yeah, I mean, like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: a coach isn't gonna want to trash a player of like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well he's not doing what he's supposed to
Speaker 1: like he I mean, Bruce will occasionally call guys out
Speaker 1: like that we've seen. But I was like, Okay, is
Speaker 1: it really opportunities or usually though, if like you you
Speaker 1: really force them to give you opportunities almost if you're
Speaker 1: playing well enough. And I just didn't really know what
Speaker 1: he was going to pan out to be. And then man,
Speaker 1: he proved that really was what it was. It was
Speaker 1: just opportunities. It's hard to be the number three guy
Speaker 1: on this team. Yeah. Bruce said that on on the
Speaker 1: show that I Do with him that he said that
Speaker 1: usually anyone outside of the number one and two guys,
Speaker 1: and maybe even the number two sometimes are going to
Speaker 1: walk in on Monday and be a little upset. But
Speaker 1: he said, you know you you always you love guys
Speaker 1: that want the ball. Everyone wants the ball, and he said,
Speaker 1: there's only so many to go around, and usually if
Speaker 1: you're a number three guy, you're not getting it very often.
Speaker 1: There was something through a statut brushot when he was
Speaker 1: talking on Mondays along lines of, you know, the first
Speaker 1: half of the season, you're only catching like thirty three
Speaker 1: percent of your targets and now here at the end
Speaker 1: it's up to seventy And I'm like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: really a bad sample size issu're here because it was
Speaker 1: like six out of his first eighteen or something like that.
Speaker 1: And targets are kind of a dumbstat that coaches hate
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes you're targeted, but it's not really catchable.
Speaker 1: And he was such a deep ball threat that he's
Speaker 1: getting a lower percentage type of a pass that's you know,
Speaker 1: he's not getting these five yards slants that are a
Speaker 1: lot more gimmy than a sixty yard bomb. So that's
Speaker 1: also not fair to compare him to other guys. And
Speaker 1: you also pointed out when he was with Cleveland, he
Speaker 1: came on in the second half of the year and
Speaker 1: it seems the same here. It seems like he's that guy.
Speaker 1: So if you're ever going to make a playoff run,
Speaker 1: that's the guy that just wants to put him in
Speaker 1: like a hermetically sealed bag until him it's eight games
Speaker 1: and bring him out. And he was pretty solid, very good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. All right, what was your
Speaker 1: best What was the best or most enjoyable game for
Speaker 1: you this year? I guess that's my It was the
Speaker 1: Rams game probably, Yeah, that's what I picked. Fireworks. It
Speaker 1: was so much fun and you went there at the
Speaker 1: beginning of that how many every many weeks in a
Speaker 1: row was that we were to be away from home
Speaker 1: and it was the very beginning of it, and it
Speaker 1: looked awfully daunting, and in fact it did prove to be.
Speaker 1: But getting that first win in l A against the
Speaker 1: team I know they missed the playoffs, but at the
Speaker 1: time they were defeated, they were they had been in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They just got done beating the Saints,
Speaker 1: and you got, yeah, that's right. And then it made
Speaker 1: that five and a half hour playing flight home a
Speaker 1: lot a lot more tolerable when you're getting into four
Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, I liked it too, because the
Speaker 1: game previously was such a letdown. Yeah, that was part
Speaker 1: of what made me pick it was it was such
Speaker 1: a letdown. So then you go to this game and
Speaker 1: I think you saw what the team could be. I
Speaker 1: think that was what you kind of stood there and went, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want holy smokes, this is this is something special.
Speaker 1: But then the defense did what they needed to do
Speaker 1: to win the game. They got four takeaways in that game.
Speaker 1: You know, you you kind of forget that because there
Speaker 1: were so many points that they allowed. They did get
Speaker 1: four takeaways, They scored the touchdown and one of the
Speaker 1: one of the touchdowns for the Rams was actually picked six,
Speaker 1: so you can't blame him for that one. That's also true.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just thought also that getting to watch
Speaker 1: Sue scoop and score at the end against his former team,
Speaker 1: and there was just so much to it, the storyline wise,
Speaker 1: and and it did feel like after that Giants game,
Speaker 1: that kind of game can be defining in so many ways,
Speaker 1: but it is such a brutal loss, and to see
Speaker 1: that the team would respond the way they did gave
Speaker 1: me a hope that no matter what happens this year,
Speaker 1: it's not going to mean a permanent downslide after a
Speaker 1: negative game like they didn't become contagious, and I thought
Speaker 1: that is why they were able to even finish the year.
Speaker 1: The way they were is that this was a team
Speaker 1: that didn't care what had happened the week before that.
Speaker 1: Each game, really they were coming in ready to do work.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. My runner up was the Indie game, just
Speaker 1: because it was It was wild and was back and forth,
Speaker 1: and we made a couple of really good comebacks, and
Speaker 1: mainly because it was at home. We needed to show
Speaker 1: that kind of game to the home crowd. What what
Speaker 1: what I do? What I liked about the Rams game
Speaker 1: is it it made me think, holy smokes, look at
Speaker 1: this offense, Look what this office can do. And so
Speaker 1: there it was a hope factor. You you lose Mike
Speaker 1: Evans and Chris Godlin down the stretch and Scotty Miller too.
Speaker 1: That kind of makes it, I know, stepped up, but
Speaker 1: you know it was. I think it made it easier
Speaker 1: for defenses to figure us out. And you saw that
Speaker 1: in Alaska you only to worry about one guy twenty
Speaker 1: two points at halftime and none afterwards, and you got
Speaker 1: over time. So of course the kicking game was an
Speaker 1: issue there. Alright, Well, how about your least in jobil
Speaker 1: game Casey Carolina and London, we all picked the same
Speaker 1: things for everything. I mean you have to go. I
Speaker 1: mean seven turnovers. That was so brutal, and it was
Speaker 1: they were leading the whole game. It never felt close.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, there was not a time when you're like,
Speaker 1: oh maybe, no, it just felt from beginning to end
Speaker 1: and it allowed the Carolina fans to take over, and
Speaker 1: so it was like, yes, but it very much felt
Speaker 1: like a road game, which was very brutal, and you
Speaker 1: everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. Because that's
Speaker 1: even the game that Bobo Wilson muffed some punts and
Speaker 1: was when we ended up releasing him after that, and
Speaker 1: I just think, I mean, when you have seven turnovers
Speaker 1: and muffed it, just it was like, got, nothing can
Speaker 1: go right here. And then you know that when you
Speaker 1: talk about how great it us to have that long
Speaker 1: flight home from l a after win, talk about a
Speaker 1: nine hour overnight flight on the way home from London,
Speaker 1: and they're also just as so much build up to
Speaker 1: that game because it's the London game. But if that
Speaker 1: game actually happens at home and it happens exactly the
Speaker 1: same way, yes, it's still brutal. But it's not. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel as weighty in some ways because it was
Speaker 1: London and you go early and it's this whole international
Speaker 1: scale things that just it was everything that could have
Speaker 1: gone wrong went wrong. I remember after the first play
Speaker 1: my head dropped and I went, we came all this
Speaker 1: way for this, and that's how I felt. That's how
Speaker 1: I felt, because it is. It's a brutal trip. It's
Speaker 1: there were a lot of games, especially down the stretch,
Speaker 1: where it started off bad, when we were able to
Speaker 1: rally this time it just never happened, and we started
Speaker 1: to get a little bit close. You started to believe
Speaker 1: it was possible, and then the Bobo Wilson, well you
Speaker 1: weren't really sure if you're able to come back. And
Speaker 1: then as the season went a pick six didn't bother you,
Speaker 1: as it was like, okay, game on, let's go. So
Speaker 1: yeah that I will say my second least favorite game
Speaker 1: was the Giants game, and uh that game. I thought
Speaker 1: it was an exciting game. It was a game the
Speaker 1: big way it ended and because it was going to
Speaker 1: be the way it ended. And then it was the
Speaker 1: start of being on the road for seven straight weeks
Speaker 1: and usually you you go back and look at the
Speaker 1: game you lost, and you go, if that play had happened,
Speaker 1: that played it happened, it probably comes out differently, but
Speaker 1: you don't know for sure. Like the Tennessee game, if
Speaker 1: they had if they had allowed that punter that fumble return,
Speaker 1: we feel like we probably would have won, But you
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, because there's still times on the
Speaker 1: game when it's a kick at the end of regulation
Speaker 1: to win it. You can very much, you can very
Speaker 1: much say that's what happened. I will say, I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about the best games. I
Speaker 1: do want to throw in. I thought the Seattle game
Speaker 1: ranked up there was great. It was a good and
Speaker 1: it sucked that that that we lost, but it was
Speaker 1: a fun game. It was entertaining and I and I
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody else says. Had we won
Speaker 1: the coin toss, I think we would have won because
Speaker 1: I think both defenses were exhausted. Somebody might point to
Speaker 1: week seven. I at going to say that at least
Speaker 1: you could say that we managed, we managed to keep short.
Speaker 1: But the good news the reason why I say we
Speaker 1: were going to the reason why I was gonna, the
Speaker 1: reason why I feel that way is. You gotta remember
Speaker 1: Jamis did march them down to tie the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was on a roll at that point. Point
Speaker 1: and in and in our last game, you brought it up.
Speaker 1: We scored twenty two points in the first half. We
Speaker 1: score anything in the second half. Yeah, alright, Jeff, you
Speaker 1: want to go first. I don't know if you got
Speaker 1: a best offensive play of the whole seat. By the way,
Speaker 1: let me point out I have a few questions we
Speaker 1: could sprinkle in and I should read this because this
Speaker 1: guy didn't know we were going to do this, and
Speaker 1: he said, Happy New Year, Salty Dogs. Since news, music,
Speaker 1: and sports media are looking at the best of two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, why not get the Salty Dogs best of
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, like best offensive and best defensive play. Wow.
Speaker 1: I hope you both have an awesome offseason and look
Speaker 1: forward to next year. Go Bucks. Kent Denny from Tampa,
Speaker 1: we've heard things, can't Yeah, he nailed it. Yeah you
Speaker 1: were you rud our mind actually resund and let him
Speaker 1: know the best offensive. So this segment is brought to
Speaker 1: you by Kent Any of Tampa. I am going to say,
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin Detroit game, which play the touchdown, the one
Speaker 1: handed grap oh, the one where he's fallen backwards, like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, yeah, that was a tough play. Did
Speaker 1: show off his skills, didn't Yeah? I had forgot about
Speaker 1: that when even Bruce talked about how he couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that he came away with it, that everybody went from
Speaker 1: thinking it was a pick to being a touchdown. I
Speaker 1: forgot about that one. That's good. Yeah, you know, this
Speaker 1: is a weird one for me because the one that
Speaker 1: jumped out right away to me is actually the play
Speaker 1: in which Mike Evins got hurt. So it's hard to
Speaker 1: say the best play the year, but it was indicative
Speaker 1: of what this team can do. It was a sixty
Speaker 1: one year touchdown, which is awesome, but it also was
Speaker 1: just Jamie sees I probably single high coverage. Mike's out here,
Speaker 1: hey beach golf, the line, straight fly, and we we
Speaker 1: hit that play a lot this year, even with Brashad Perryman,
Speaker 1: and it's when when Jamis is on and my healthy.
Speaker 1: It just kind of shows what this offense can do
Speaker 1: in a in a moment. Now, it's maybe not the
Speaker 1: best choice for the best stuff, it's a place since
Speaker 1: Mike suffered a season ending injury on it. But it's
Speaker 1: the one that Amelily pops out in my head. I
Speaker 1: wait to you, guys, I do have a second one, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I went more of the favorite offensive place you
Speaker 1: have to It's funny because I thought about jokingly just
Speaker 1: like eliminating some of my workload here and saying that
Speaker 1: was my favorite offensive and defensive play of the year,
Speaker 1: since he's a defensive player that I could count for both. Um.
Speaker 1: I just thought that it was so fun and I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's also really impressive that you have someone like
Speaker 1: him that can be such a weapon in so many
Speaker 1: different ways. Um and just and it spoke to Bruce
Speaker 1: arians talking about how their whole staff was all about
Speaker 1: looking at the players they had and using them in
Speaker 1: the ways that they are best capable. I mean, there
Speaker 1: is no better example of that. He said. Putting in
Speaker 1: there in that role was not a gimmick. He said,
Speaker 1: he was our best choice on this roster, the best
Speaker 1: choice for the this job that we want. Yep. And
Speaker 1: so I thought that was great and I I felt
Speaker 1: like it was sort of also at a turning point
Speaker 1: in the season when that that win in Atlanta was
Speaker 1: a really big deal and it was um when the
Speaker 1: team just started being able to have fun again that
Speaker 1: they you know, they had this losing streak and it
Speaker 1: just it felt like, man, like, this has been so
Speaker 1: rough and you know, this long road stretch and all
Speaker 1: these sort of points of adversity, and that felt like
Speaker 1: this moment of man, we can really celebrate what we're
Speaker 1: becoming now. So and Dirk Cutterard was a little scorn
Speaker 1: on that one because look what he did the last game.
Speaker 1: He's like, I see your big Yeah, I see your
Speaker 1: big touchdown. I raised because it's not a two yard
Speaker 1: passed now. You don't see that kind of big had
Speaker 1: He had to run like twenty two yards after he
Speaker 1: caught the trusting a big man to have the ball
Speaker 1: for that long is impressive. Does a Bruce was saying,
Speaker 1: and why they did this with Van it was like
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to go anywhere, he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: We had him on the show and if you watch
Speaker 1: it now and think about him saying this, he said,
Speaker 1: first of all, when he caught it, he was certain
Speaker 1: there was somebody right behind him. He thought he was
Speaker 1: going to get hit right away. That's why he's like
Speaker 1: tucking the ball right and then he ran almost the
Speaker 1: back of the end zone and he told us he
Speaker 1: didn't realize he was in the end zone yet. He
Speaker 1: was just making sure I am going to score no
Speaker 1: matter what. He's about to do a forest gump and
Speaker 1: just keep running out of I thought of one other
Speaker 1: two that it would be a runner up for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad it's Chris Godwin because he had so
Speaker 1: many great plays. But remember I think it was in Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the one I brought up earlier when I
Speaker 1: talked about him being the MVP. I didn't get a
Speaker 1: picture of my mind till now, but it's one where
Speaker 1: he kind of caught it between two guys and the
Speaker 1: linebacker fell off and he actually had to I think
Speaker 1: stiff farm one of them off of him, and it
Speaker 1: was pretty gread. Yeah, that would have been my second
Speaker 1: choice as well, after the VA one. I loved that play.
Speaker 1: I thought that spoke so much to him and just
Speaker 1: his ability to be so slippery. I can do it all,
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah, it doesn't matter where you put that ball,
Speaker 1: he'll get the first guy. There was a play in
Speaker 1: maybe he was in the last game when he got
Speaker 1: hurt where he caught the ball around the tin and
Speaker 1: there was one defender. I'm like, he's not going down
Speaker 1: in the tin that first guy. Very rarely does the
Speaker 1: first defender get Chris God went down, and unless he's
Speaker 1: catching it in a defenseless way, but if he catches
Speaker 1: it with any room to maneuver off, the first guy
Speaker 1: almost never get them down, which is pretty great skill
Speaker 1: to have. Okay, um, best defensive play, I think it's
Speaker 1: my turn. Um, My mine is the Jamal Dean interception
Speaker 1: in the Arizona game. Just first of all, it was
Speaker 1: a game changing play. We were losing, they were about
Speaker 1: to go by another score probably, and it set up
Speaker 1: the game winning score. But moreover, it also was really
Speaker 1: the first inkling of what we had there. It was
Speaker 1: it was the one where he said he he knew
Speaker 1: what was going to happen because he's been doing all
Speaker 1: that extra tape study with Todd Bowls and he saw
Speaker 1: the alignments like there's only one place this throws going
Speaker 1: and that that was the result of extra studies. So
Speaker 1: not only was it a critical play, it also was
Speaker 1: a really good emblem of what was going to happen
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season. That's a great one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been That was one of my second
Speaker 1: choice ones. So I like that one as well. Um
Speaker 1: I picked I sort of had a tie in my
Speaker 1: mind with these two, uh, Devin White's two different fumble
Speaker 1: recoveries for touchdowns. UM. I couldn't really pick between the
Speaker 1: two because I felt like the one against the Jags
Speaker 1: was more important because of what it actually meant for
Speaker 1: the game and a win. Um. But when you returned, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then I was like, why so I can't decide even
Speaker 1: though we lost that game like that, they were just
Speaker 1: kind of tied in my mind. And then I thought
Speaker 1: I kind of put him together, you know, at the
Speaker 1: idea that he was the you know what, is the
Speaker 1: first rookie to score touchdowns on defensive fumble recoveries to
Speaker 1: two of them since so I felt like those kind
Speaker 1: of package deal. Those those were my my favorite bodies. Way. UM,
Speaker 1: this is a good place to mention that. Today it
Speaker 1: was announced in the morning that Devin White was named
Speaker 1: the NFL Defensive Player of the Month. I think we
Speaker 1: often say NFC, but it's actually just an NFL. It's
Speaker 1: it's not split up by conferences, and he's the first guy.
Speaker 1: He won in November two and he's the first guy
Speaker 1: to win it two consecutive months since Brian Cushing in
Speaker 1: two thousand nine. And they've been given this awardaway since
Speaker 1: would he be at the first rookie to get it.
Speaker 1: It's it's just Defensive Rookie of the Month, so it's
Speaker 1: already I'm not sure, but I had defensive rookie because
Speaker 1: the first guy to win that in consecutive months since
Speaker 1: Brian Cushing in two thousand nine. So he had he
Speaker 1: was basically the most impactful defensive rookie in the league
Speaker 1: for the second half of the season. And you know,
Speaker 1: he had the knee injury and Bruce what he's talks
Speaker 1: about how that really slowed him down at first. But
Speaker 1: you saw the player they said we were getting when
Speaker 1: we picked up fifth the world And it's really exciting.
Speaker 1: Isn't he the first Buck to get it twice? He's
Speaker 1: the first Buck to get it twice ever, But yeah,
Speaker 1: Lavante wanted Wance to no one want to know Spence,
Speaker 1: but he's the first to get it twice. It's pretty incredible. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I Hain made the right choice. Yeah, I think, so
Speaker 1: I have to go with run. You know, I timed
Speaker 1: that last night. I found it on YouTube and timed
Speaker 1: it from the moment he touched the ball till when
Speaker 1: he scores. It was like ten point one two seconds.
Speaker 1: He is a very fast and ninety one yards in
Speaker 1: ten like, isn't a great hundred yard way. They do
Speaker 1: hundred meters, don't they. Right, Yeah, you're yourself, But I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out how fast that is. If
Speaker 1: that's really good. It seems really good. He looked really fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's carrying the ball which slows you down to
Speaker 1: But I remember his forty time at the combine. That
Speaker 1: was the thing that ever that got us really excited.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought about between him, Jamal Dean, and
Speaker 1: then maybe it was it Bundy, that we had three
Speaker 1: guys that they're forty times Jamal Dean was, I think, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and I think that Devin was one of, if not
Speaker 1: the fastest linebacker to we have some of the guys
Speaker 1: that were really they wanted a lot more speed on defense.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with both of you, though, because
Speaker 1: Jamal Dean his interception sealed the deal from the game,
Speaker 1: so you gotta have to you kind of remember that.
Speaker 1: But but Devin White having u the year that he had,
Speaker 1: being injured and still coming back and playing strong, I
Speaker 1: think you know you can the guys is I've never
Speaker 1: seen anybody as fast as he is. And sometimes he's
Speaker 1: too fast because you see him somethings run over the play,
Speaker 1: which is not a bad thing because eventually he'll figure
Speaker 1: out the justice speed. But I would go with there
Speaker 1: was there was a stretch in the Giants game when
Speaker 1: it seemed like Shack Barrett was getting a sack every
Speaker 1: two seconds, and then that was as a group of players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he ended up with four but didn't win Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Week because they never give it to a
Speaker 1: losing team, which is just which is yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: the week before. So all right, uh, top unanswered question idea.
Speaker 1: And so here's what I did. I mean, everyone knows
Speaker 1: it's the Jamis thing, so I decided to say that
Speaker 1: like other than that, because so what I went with
Speaker 1: is who's going to be back from the defensive front,
Speaker 1: so sort of D line outside linebacker combination, which I
Speaker 1: figured is what we'd all go with on the other
Speaker 1: than Jamis. Yea, um, nineteen players on this team could
Speaker 1: become unrestricted free agents. That is incredible, and seven of
Speaker 1: those are outside linebacker or d line people. If you'd
Speaker 1: like to know the names, you can look up. I
Speaker 1: wrote a story about that on Tuesday, I think. But yes,
Speaker 1: Sue Jpp, massive shock. I mean, man, this is there's
Speaker 1: the potential for a coach, right, of course he does.
Speaker 1: He's also not the one having to deal with the
Speaker 1: salary cap, you know, like our guy Mike Greenberg, who's
Speaker 1: the one who does that is probably back their sweating hearing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and even when he's like talking everybody up
Speaker 1: so much, don't you know that over there, like you're
Speaker 1: driving the price up? But yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that the only guys who really aren't I think are
Speaker 1: are what Goldston Vita and Anthony Nelson. That's about it
Speaker 1: in terms of the defensive line and outside linebackers. Um
Speaker 1: and I just think that not only is it important
Speaker 1: just because of what they did, We've talked so much
Speaker 1: about the young secondary and how important it has been
Speaker 1: the change that they've been able to have the growth
Speaker 1: and that do we really you know, think that this
Speaker 1: group is what it takes to to get the job done. Well,
Speaker 1: so much of that is depending on how long do
Speaker 1: they have to cover, And you know when you're they're
Speaker 1: still gonna be young next year, that even though yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be rookies anymore, they're still gonna be
Speaker 1: very young. And the more help you can give them
Speaker 1: up front, the better. So to me, that is just
Speaker 1: such a massive part of this team's success moving forward
Speaker 1: is do you still have the pressure that you had
Speaker 1: this year? You know, it's great about when you look
Speaker 1: at the you start looking up the numbers to demonstrate
Speaker 1: what we all saw that the defense pulled a big
Speaker 1: one eight in the second half of the season, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: so much improved? Is that? Usually when I think about
Speaker 1: the sands, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm gonna look up many
Speaker 1: yards per game we allowed in the first half of
Speaker 1: the second half and showed the big difference that way,
Speaker 1: And there was a difference, But that's not where the
Speaker 1: it really shows up. Where it shows up as is
Speaker 1: the play the playmakers, the plays that were being made,
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember exactly, but I wrote it in
Speaker 1: a story something like led the league and passes defense
Speaker 1: led the league. In quarterback hits was up there and
Speaker 1: sacks was up there and interceptions was up there in turnovers, takeaways, fumbles,
Speaker 1: force phone recovers the plays, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls defense. And personally, after watching the type style
Speaker 1: defense we've been playing for previous years, I like this
Speaker 1: a lot more. And I don't care about the arts
Speaker 1: because that's what the NFL is now. It's making plays, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and I I think his
Speaker 1: defense is really fun to watch. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: blitz is, all the different things he's calling up and
Speaker 1: dialing up, and it's and I I noticed such a
Speaker 1: theme this year and all the different radio shows that
Speaker 1: I did when I would bring a player on and
Speaker 1: I would ask every one of them if they run
Speaker 1: the defense, about Todd Bowls, his scheme and system, what
Speaker 1: they liked about it. All of them were so fired
Speaker 1: at their their eyes were sort of light at their
Speaker 1: I love his scheme and his system and lets it's fun,
Speaker 1: It's got different stuff. It lets us do a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things, and it lets them play aggressive. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why we saw such a shift in
Speaker 1: the second half of the season, is when you're being
Speaker 1: called to be that aggressive, you have to be instinctive
Speaker 1: and reactive that it's you've got to be going immediately,
Speaker 1: and if you're having to think about what you're doing,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work very well. So you saw when
Speaker 1: they really understood the scheme, when it started clicking where
Speaker 1: it was reactionary and not something you're having to think
Speaker 1: about each play, That's when the shift happened. I what
Speaker 1: I like about the D line is and it's pretty
Speaker 1: impressive when you start thinking about all the different personalities
Speaker 1: that came in on that line and got and how
Speaker 1: they all meshed together, I mean loud and brash, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then bringing Sue in, you know, that was that
Speaker 1: was that was a great He was a very good leader,
Speaker 1: and that was a big you know, we kind of
Speaker 1: go by the wayside, but you know, Gerald McCoy leaves
Speaker 1: and they fill that gap with with Sue and he
Speaker 1: and the play in the leadership. Yes, and and then
Speaker 1: and then you have j P. P who is the
Speaker 1: fiery guy, but he comes back in and gets everybody going.
Speaker 1: It is such a good combination of the subdued, calm
Speaker 1: leadership and the fiery leadership. And I think that on
Speaker 1: the defensive line you do kind of need this balance
Speaker 1: that I think that Sue and JPP really are kind
Speaker 1: of a nice tandem there, and then you have guys
Speaker 1: like Shack and Vita that like there, they'll be fired up,
Speaker 1: but they're just kind of these good, good guys that
Speaker 1: are good locker room guys that everybody likes. And I
Speaker 1: think about even how Vita would talk about how um
Speaker 1: he had started calling Sue big girl just to get
Speaker 1: him to smile and crack a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: just can do that. But yeah, yelling if if, if
Speaker 1: you see Sue in public, I would not recommend try
Speaker 1: and that probably need to be bigger than him, and
Speaker 1: not many people either that. Or you gotta be like
Speaker 1: all the way down the hallway when you yelling yes,
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready to run and then you go no, no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about you there behind somebody else. So yeah,
Speaker 1: to be specific, I had the exact same thing obviously,
Speaker 1: the Friege losses. And I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: the betting man would think we're going to get all
Speaker 1: of those guys back. It doesn't seem likely. So it's
Speaker 1: going to be where does this team put its priorities
Speaker 1: between Shack, Sue, Karl Nassa, JPP, and so on. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be interesting to see how much
Speaker 1: of it is about our priorities of who we want
Speaker 1: to bring back is compared to just what other teams
Speaker 1: end up offering these guys that it may end up
Speaker 1: depending more on what other teams think of them even
Speaker 1: than what we do, because we might be prioritizing a
Speaker 1: certain guy all day long. But if you know, like
Speaker 1: let's say, if Shack is, let's say Shacks our top priority.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they've they've seem to make it
Speaker 1: pretty clear they want him back. Seems like a safe bet.
Speaker 1: So let's say he's our top priority. Let's say JPP
Speaker 1: is your second, and you you value him like crazy
Speaker 1: and one back. But let's say another team makes him
Speaker 1: their top priority in the position that we did with Shack.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to compete against that. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to get it done. Sorry, Mike Greenberg, would
Speaker 1: you I'm just curious. You don't have to answer this,
Speaker 1: just just a thought when you were when you're talking
Speaker 1: about this, would you would you let a guy like
Speaker 1: Shack go because of what he's going to cost you
Speaker 1: and you get to keep a couple others. It's a
Speaker 1: valid point, but no, yeah, I'm the same way. I'd
Speaker 1: keep I'd keep the surefire star producing a guy and
Speaker 1: that's so hard to find. And let's not and let's
Speaker 1: not forget he's what seven now and doesn't have the
Speaker 1: miles on him that a guy has. That was the
Speaker 1: big starter. You know that when he's getting to play
Speaker 1: behind von Miller, that that keeps his body fresh a
Speaker 1: little bit longer. And I don't think he was flukey
Speaker 1: like you. You know, you saw a real legitimate pass
Speaker 1: rush skills, the bend to get around the guard. And
Speaker 1: I agree with that because in the last game of
Speaker 1: the year he got three sacks, so they had Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have been doubling him. That even when we
Speaker 1: saw that he was all of a sudden the one
Speaker 1: getting all the attention, he was still producing. And the
Speaker 1: other thing about his longevity that I think is important
Speaker 1: is he talked about how he was late to the
Speaker 1: party of understanding how to take care of your body.
Speaker 1: That he says he looks at pictures of himself now
Speaker 1: from like end of college, like without a shirt on,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh gosh, like like he said that
Speaker 1: himself that he's like, man like, it's crazy how you
Speaker 1: can maybe even weigh the same thing, but your body
Speaker 1: composition just be so different. And so I think that
Speaker 1: he's made leaps and bounds and changes in his diet
Speaker 1: and just all these things about the way he's taking
Speaker 1: care of his body over the last few years that
Speaker 1: if he's been producing the way that he had up
Speaker 1: to this point, I think it can only get better
Speaker 1: moving forward. You know, it's funny if you look at it.
Speaker 1: Back during the draft, we were picking fifth and it
Speaker 1: was a good draft for what people considered we're good
Speaker 1: edge rushers. And then it was pretty clear that we
Speaker 1: like Devin White quite a bit, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the mock drafts were giving us deepn White and somebody
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who, but if I had a mirror
Speaker 1: in here, I'd probably pick him out. Uh. Really felt like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Devin White's a one of a kind player, But it's
Speaker 1: so hard to find an edge rusher. I kind of
Speaker 1: hope we take like a Josh Allen or something. They
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing, They took a guy that
Speaker 1: they can make the impact over the field, and they
Speaker 1: found an edge rusher. Anyway, Yeah, that's why they do
Speaker 1: what they do, and that's why we just talk about it.
Speaker 1: All right, one more. Alright, it's a little bit different
Speaker 1: because it's kind of looking ahead a little bit. What
Speaker 1: play or do you think Mike make the leap in? Ye?
Speaker 1: I have to say, Dean, he wouldn't give him the
Speaker 1: leap yet. I don't. I don't give him the leap yet. Um,
Speaker 1: once he learns to catch the ball every time he's
Speaker 1: thrown to him, that Davis well the same. It seems
Speaker 1: like all those guys, if they start catching a better
Speaker 1: than all, they all need to stand by the juge
Speaker 1: machine and start working out. Because if they all start
Speaker 1: Sean catches the ball pretty well. Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 1: He does bring it up. His little smile is a
Speaker 1: little grand sure hands. Yeah, I think that, uh, I
Speaker 1: think it would be huge. It would be huge, huge
Speaker 1: for the te huge. How about um Anthony Nelson? Based
Speaker 1: on the fact that, A. I know they loved him
Speaker 1: when when we got him in the fourth round, I
Speaker 1: think they were ecstatic upstairs. They thought we got a
Speaker 1: total steal and that he was playing in the rotation
Speaker 1: before he got hurt. That hamstring injury knocked him out
Speaker 1: for like eight games, but he wantn't forget about him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you there's nothing in the stats yet
Speaker 1: they would I think in one sack that you would
Speaker 1: go crazy over. But think about the fact that we
Speaker 1: may not be able to get all these guys back
Speaker 1: and we're gonna need some of his step up point.
Speaker 1: And they love his talent. He seems like a smart kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's great. I have a mainstream choice and
Speaker 1: I have a sleeper choice. Okay, Um, the sleeper choice
Speaker 1: will be for the serious Bocks fans that like, you
Speaker 1: have to really be a serious Bucks fan to know
Speaker 1: who this person even is. So my first time Franklin, No,
Speaker 1: but that would be great. My my mainstream choice is
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis. And the reason that I say that I
Speaker 1: think him for the leap ideas that, Um, what has
Speaker 1: always been sort of the best and worst part of
Speaker 1: Carlton is his aggressiveness that he plays with his physicalness
Speaker 1: and his excitement and energy and all of that. And
Speaker 1: it's great because it makes him makes him big plays,
Speaker 1: and it's terrible because it makes him be penalized a
Speaker 1: fair amount. And we saw the penalties just almost disappear
Speaker 1: as at that midway point in the season that he
Speaker 1: ends up getting heard, he misses him time and he
Speaker 1: uses it to really delve into film, and it just
Speaker 1: seemed like the same way we talked about Jamal Dean
Speaker 1: having that shift after the Seattle game where he really
Speaker 1: learned how to learn essentially and learn it's spent all
Speaker 1: that time with bowls and looking at the film, it
Speaker 1: felt like Carlton Davis had a similar epiphany almost of
Speaker 1: how to still play with aggressiveness but rain it in
Speaker 1: just enough to make it legal. And I felt like
Speaker 1: that just if we can get rid of those penalties
Speaker 1: from him, and then he also started, you know, it
Speaker 1: felt like the defining moment for him also was when
Speaker 1: Hardgraves left. All of a sudden, He's being asked to
Speaker 1: always consistently beyond the number one guy, and we saw
Speaker 1: how he shut down DeAndre Hopkins, and it just felt
Speaker 1: like he elevated to the role he was being called
Speaker 1: upon when Hardgraves left. So the leap for him because
Speaker 1: both him and Dean and Murphy Buntin kind of showed
Speaker 1: in the second half they're good cornerbacks. The lead for
Speaker 1: him would be to become recognized as one of the
Speaker 1: better cornerbacks, yes, and an actual lockdown that you don't
Speaker 1: want to throw in his direction. That's yeah. My sleeper
Speaker 1: choice is to Dakota Dixon because coach mentioned yeah. And
Speaker 1: so he comes in undrafted guy, I mean, not even
Speaker 1: slated to make the team, the gitimately the nicest person everything. Think.
Speaker 1: We had him on the podcast. He won the award
Speaker 1: in college for essentially being like an amazing person. It's
Speaker 1: the Jason Witten Character Award. That's just like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: basically the award is like, you're an incredible human. So
Speaker 1: he has an incredible story that I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: get into like full details of because my plan is
Speaker 1: to do like an end up interview with him this
Speaker 1: this offseason and and get into like his his upgrading
Speaker 1: during his background. Yes, so I'm not going to spoil
Speaker 1: all of that, but he has an incredible story. Comes
Speaker 1: here as an undrafted guy, not set to make the team,
Speaker 1: and then just slowly you watch during training camp. He's
Speaker 1: like your sixth safety, then he's your fifth, then he's
Speaker 1: your fourth, and he's slowly moving up, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he's running with the starters, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I wonder how much this is really indicative of how
Speaker 1: they feel about him, and it seemed like the coaches
Speaker 1: were saying some good things about him, and honestly, then
Speaker 1: he ends up hurting his shoulder. But what's crazy you
Speaker 1: found out that he he was injuring it while this
Speaker 1: was going on. He was moving up the depth chart
Speaker 1: while struggling with his shoulder, but like slipping in and
Speaker 1: out of socket like that. He tried to kind of
Speaker 1: go through because of course, you know how it is
Speaker 1: when you're an undrafted guy and you're trying to make
Speaker 1: the team, like and finally just it was like slipping
Speaker 1: in and out of socket. I'll talk like he and
Speaker 1: and to realize that he was, yeah, I love that
Speaker 1: I'm in here and you guys are the ones that
Speaker 1: get the He had that injury twice. That's fair. I
Speaker 1: get the way with these things, banging up against the
Speaker 1: Georgiana but while not being a hunter percent healthy, climbing
Speaker 1: the ranks like that. And then it wasn't until coaches
Speaker 1: press conference this last week that he said that he
Speaker 1: actually said, I think he would have been one of
Speaker 1: our starting safeties. He had a shot at that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, Okay, so that really did mean
Speaker 1: what I thought it meant watching him and training against
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna have to time to get
Speaker 1: to these questions here. But one of them did what
Speaker 1: are you worried about? Yeah, we got all the time
Speaker 1: in the world. Well, okay, then I'll just we can.
Speaker 1: There's three questions here. In one of them, in case
Speaker 1: you're worried, forty three minutes. Okay. This guy's name is
Speaker 1: Justin Whittaker. He's a Bucks fan from Indianapolis. He said,
Speaker 1: thanks for a great podcast, and he says a big
Speaker 1: fan of show. One of his questions is Justin EM's
Speaker 1: being hurt all year. What is the plan with him?
Speaker 1: Is he coming back as the starter? And so do
Speaker 1: you think you will mess up the chemistry with this
Speaker 1: young secondary? And that that's actually how coach came to
Speaker 1: talk about uh Dakota because he was asked about what
Speaker 1: he thought about the secondary where the state of it,
Speaker 1: and he said, I think we're find a cornerback. We
Speaker 1: may need to add somebody at safety, but they said,
Speaker 1: but maybe not, because as Casey was just saying, he said,
Speaker 1: Dacota Dixon had a chance to be the starting strong
Speaker 1: safety before he got hurt and he'll be back, and
Speaker 1: then he said and maybe Justin Evans. And then he
Speaker 1: was pressed a little bit on Justin Evans and he said,
Speaker 1: it's too early to tell. He recently had another procedure,
Speaker 1: I guess, on his foot, and he said the surgery
Speaker 1: apparently went well. It's gonna be a couple of months.
Speaker 1: But if if he's ready to go by the off season,
Speaker 1: because he never really got back last year, so he
Speaker 1: hasn't really had a chance to see if he could
Speaker 1: be good in this. It will be hard though, knowing
Speaker 1: that again he doesn't have any of those reps in
Speaker 1: this new scheme, and that's tough. As we talked about
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that is what we talked about as
Speaker 1: being what changed for them is that they got to
Speaker 1: start playing instinctively instead of reactively. And it's going to
Speaker 1: be a while before he's at that point. So you
Speaker 1: better hope he's back for the entirety of the off
Speaker 1: season program to try to get some of those out
Speaker 1: of the way, so then you'd have him, you'd have
Speaker 1: Jordan Whitehead, Mike Edwards. Mike Edwards who they drafted because
Speaker 1: thought it was a good fit for this defense, I
Speaker 1: think you'd have to resign. The team is in good
Speaker 1: shape if they can just figure out the D line. Well,
Speaker 1: if they can just figure out if we can get
Speaker 1: the right guys, resign. Yeah, if you can figure out
Speaker 1: those oh, I don't know nineteen guys that we don't
Speaker 1: know if they're going to be back. So do you
Speaker 1: have a player making a leap? I did Jeff stuff.
Speaker 1: I just forget it. Like two minutes later, do you
Speaker 1: have one? I did one? Anthony Nelson? Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: you guys don't even listen to each other over here.
Speaker 1: It's like an old married couple. Yes, doesn't even hear. Well,
Speaker 1: all right, then there we're done then, so if you
Speaker 1: really are Uh, you got any more questions? Uh? This
Speaker 1: also said do you think we bring back all the
Speaker 1: D line starters for next year or the majority of
Speaker 1: I think we already covered that. What what do you
Speaker 1: think is a plan? With jamis if I knew that,
Speaker 1: we'd be making a lot of money if we had
Speaker 1: that idea. Um. Bruce has said a lot of things
Speaker 1: on both sides of it, and I don't think there's Okay,
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. He told them on Monday
Speaker 1: that he thinks the evaluation and then the decision on
Speaker 1: what the Bucks want to do with Jamie's moving forward.
Speaker 1: First of all, remember this is a two way street.
Speaker 1: Let's use the franchise tag. So um. He said they
Speaker 1: probably could have a decision internally within a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we're going to tell anybody because
Speaker 1: for strategic purposes. Yeah, there's no reason too, we may
Speaker 1: have to wait till March. Do we really know? What
Speaker 1: you think? Too? Is that this is without being said,
Speaker 1: but I will say it. This is a huge free
Speaker 1: Chies decision. You think, yeah, just a tag. So it's
Speaker 1: not the same as as any other player that there's
Speaker 1: a lot more layers of people involved in this kind
Speaker 1: of a decision, right, And I say that from the
Speaker 1: very top because it's it's the owner's money too, all
Speaker 1: the way down to how does this play out? And
Speaker 1: you know the pros and the con so you know
Speaker 1: you could argue this all day long one way or
Speaker 1: the other. I mean, when I discussed with people, I
Speaker 1: would say, if you think the three three possible paths
Speaker 1: are get him signed to a long term deal, use
Speaker 1: a tag on him, or let him go. Most of
Speaker 1: the people I talked to you think that shall come
Speaker 1: down in the middle and use a tag so you
Speaker 1: have one more year to figure it out. The only
Speaker 1: problem with the tag is you it's going to hit
Speaker 1: your cap hard, harder than if you decide to do
Speaker 1: it more long. Yes, and if you're in that situation
Speaker 1: of would you say nineteen people, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out let's say you're only trying to sign money
Speaker 1: for six, yeah, that could be tough because it just
Speaker 1: so happens to be on a year that there are
Speaker 1: so many free agents that the timing of that is unfortunate,
Speaker 1: that Jamis and all those and it's kind of like
Speaker 1: what we talked about that it just so happened. You know,
Speaker 1: the year before that you had Kwan, Adam Humphries, Jamis,
Speaker 1: Donovan Alley, all these guys ending their rookie deals all
Speaker 1: at the same time. But if those yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great draft. But if those players had been sort of
Speaker 1: spread out, it would have been easier to keep more
Speaker 1: of them. It was the fact that it was all
Speaker 1: at once, And and I kind of chuckle whenever people say, well,
Speaker 1: go get this quarterback and go get that quarterback like Trees.
Speaker 1: Well there you know there's I mean, I'll use a
Speaker 1: name like Teddy Bridgewater. If you go back and look
Speaker 1: at when he was in Minnesota, no one thought they
Speaker 1: were like, you gotta get rid of this guy. But
Speaker 1: he was well, he was getting hurt a lot, so
Speaker 1: playing time very very badly. And then what happened. It
Speaker 1: took him a couple of years to make it back right,
Speaker 1: So I think he was a first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget No, that's what I'm saying. But but
Speaker 1: it's what I'm going at is you just don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, one minute you're high, one minute, you're low
Speaker 1: one minute. But any free agent quarterback right now is
Speaker 1: going to cost you money. I'll give you what I
Speaker 1: think is a better example for what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: that would be Nick Foles a jillion dollars. I think
Speaker 1: that's what I heard the contract actually, and um, he
Speaker 1: was the m v P of the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: he's had more than just that he's had. He's had good,
Speaker 1: good years and I could see why the Jagger has
Speaker 1: thought he could be the solution. But now they're on
Speaker 1: the hook and they're not sure if they if he's
Speaker 1: their guy, so a it cost a whole lot. And
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. This this, this is
Speaker 1: kind of a year a year ago at this time
Speaker 1: they thought he was their guy. Yeah, that's my point.
Speaker 1: But I know, so, how in a year's time is
Speaker 1: he not your guy? Well, he didn't play well, I understand,
Speaker 1: but perhaps they didn't play well. So so I don't
Speaker 1: understand how in in one year go from yes, I
Speaker 1: mean you do all this research, you do all because
Speaker 1: the NFL is a what have you done? That's kind
Speaker 1: of funny, unfortunate. It's kind of funny that Nick Foles
Speaker 1: used to kill us no matter what team he was
Speaker 1: playing for. He demolished us in several games, and it
Speaker 1: was it was us. They kind of got him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got him knocked out of the starting lineup. That
Speaker 1: just overwhelmed rude that he hasn't, you know, publicly thanked
Speaker 1: us for some of his success. But but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean what I think that where Jacksonville is now,
Speaker 1: now that they have the clock set on the proper time,
Speaker 1: that will change everything. Did you rid about Tom Coughlin
Speaker 1: being gone? I remember that that was the first big
Speaker 1: move they made the time real time I remember that
Speaker 1: from when we were there for preseason, when we practiced
Speaker 1: there for a week, and that I thought I was
Speaker 1: all confused about what time because I look at the
Speaker 1: clock and think it was time to like run out
Speaker 1: to practice or something. And then I look at my
Speaker 1: phone and I was like, I don't know what is happening.
Speaker 1: And I remember one of my friends that works with
Speaker 1: the Jaguars was the one that explained to me that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he sets it ahead for you to get there to
Speaker 1: meetings earlier. He's been doing that his whole career. He
Speaker 1: started that back Whens with the Giants. I don't think
Speaker 1: the team's generally end up liking it very much either.
Speaker 1: I can understand why it reminds me, uncomfortably a little
Speaker 1: too much of toes on the line start Alright, One
Speaker 1: more question, yeah, yo dogs, Yo dogs. Read the article
Speaker 1: about how the Bucks rookies ranked in the NFL. If
Speaker 1: you guys saw that, but like first in force fumbls,
Speaker 1: first in touchdowns first, and interceptions first and passes defense
Speaker 1: from the rookies alone, what do you think? Where do
Speaker 1: you think this draft class ranks among all those in
Speaker 1: team history? Or is it too early to tell? Thanks
Speaker 1: and Happy New Year. A J calls himself a displaced
Speaker 1: Bucks fan in Texas the greatest I do. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: know everybody in Texas knows each other. We have a
Speaker 1: Facebook group. Um yeah, I mean obviously he kind of
Speaker 1: he kind of tipped it there. It is too early
Speaker 1: to tell, I think, but yes, what is it? Three
Speaker 1: years is typically what you say about to evaluate a draft.
Speaker 1: I think three years is right. Yeah, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: very promising. Yeah. Uh, you know when you look at it,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of draft classes recently that are pretty promising.
Speaker 1: I mean think of last year. You've got Vita Vea,
Speaker 1: and you've got Alex Cappyr, Carlton Davis, Jordan Whitehead. I mean,
Speaker 1: you forget though what they for you forget, and then
Speaker 1: in seventeen you got O G. You got Chris Gent.
Speaker 1: Unfortunate what happened to kindle back with But it was
Speaker 1: a good pick. He would I think that if it
Speaker 1: weren't with that car wreck, he would have made a
Speaker 1: massive difference on this defense. And so it's unfortunate because
Speaker 1: to me, you should still give them credit for that
Speaker 1: being a great pick. It's just unfortunate. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: after that you gotta go back aways to get to
Speaker 1: some good draft picks, but um, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: obviously there's probably no class is probably never gonna be
Speaker 1: topped because you got too. It's a little hard to
Speaker 1: top that. The rest of the draft really wasn't very
Speaker 1: productive though, but it doesn't matter now. And that's an
Speaker 1: interesting point. How do you evaluate a draft of if
Speaker 1: let's say you're first and second round picks are incredible
Speaker 1: and nothing else pans out as compared to all of
Speaker 1: your picks pan out but none to the extreme, Like,
Speaker 1: which do you tend to go for a quality or
Speaker 1: quantity to consider a draft as successful? Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, which one would you want? Personally? I almost
Speaker 1: want the one where you have more guys work out,
Speaker 1: because again, with injuries in a season, you can lose
Speaker 1: one guy. Did I say the first two were incredible?
Speaker 1: I guess it depends how incredible and how like mediocre
Speaker 1: or not the other like if everybody pans out how well?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, it's hard to kind of say
Speaker 1: that in general, but I think I personally am am
Speaker 1: a big believer in more. I mean, when you gets
Speaker 1: that's I mean, somebody told you you can have Warren
Speaker 1: step and Derrick Brooks and you knew they were gonna
Speaker 1: be Hall of famers, but you lose all the rest
Speaker 1: of your draft picks. You're gay, Okay, well I have
Speaker 1: to have I don't know. If you look at New England,
Speaker 1: they do quite quite nicely without top round picks. How
Speaker 1: about the Rams. They don't have a first round picks
Speaker 1: two and their cap situation is Yeah, they're in a
Speaker 1: rough spot for the next few years. I think, all right,
Speaker 1: well that's all I got. That's it. Thanks, Yeah, thanks,
Speaker 1: has easy peasy done for the year. When when are
Speaker 1: we doing another one? A long time? Probably the Salty
Speaker 1: Dogs are going into hibernation where definitely not going to
Speaker 1: do the combine? Are you into the combine? I always
Speaker 1: have to go to the combine. Look at how excited
Speaker 1: he is because he gets to hang out with me
Speaker 1: for a whole week. That's lucky dogs, you are U.
Speaker 1: The bad part is that it's in Indianapolis. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it's for Indianapolis if it was whatever the team does.
Speaker 1: But it's a great little city. It's not a good
Speaker 1: place in late February. You don't even have to go outside.
Speaker 1: I know everybody says that it's all connected. I will
Speaker 1: forever remember us having to stand outside and do one
Speaker 1: of our videos because you know, we care about quality
Speaker 1: and we, for the sacrifice of the people, will stand
Speaker 1: in the cold if it's a good backdrop for us.
Speaker 1: And we are dying of cold, and dan Quinn just
Speaker 1: goes jogging behind us in like shorts and a T shirt.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's a flex right there. And
Speaker 1: he even said he's like, hey, guys and just keeps
Speaker 1: on running and we're just so bundled and he's out
Speaker 1: there running a smiling first of all, smiling while running
Speaker 1: already insane, and then in the freezing so I was
Speaker 1: like already. Yeah. He made us just feel like idiots
Speaker 1: out there freezing into gold. But a lot of people
Speaker 1: made me feel like so there you go. Well, Casey,
Speaker 1: thank you for taking your time. Thanks most of the
Speaker 1: times our guests right here for ten minutes. She did
Speaker 1: a full hour, Yeah she did. You know, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was a good year. We'll do it again next year.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have to check the charts and see how
Speaker 1: we we need to update the intro with some plays.
Speaker 1: He hates because it's more work for him Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna eliminate the intro. Yeah, we just go
Speaker 1: straight to us. That's how popular we are now. All right,
Speaker 1: since you did, Thanks for listening.