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We call them 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.360 the Salty Dogs. Hello again everybody, and welcome back to 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.800 I Guess, the final Salty Dogs podcast of the two 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.400 thousand nineteen season. Even though we're two days into two 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.520 thousand twenty. Yeah, Happy New Year, by Happy to Year, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.680 jeff I'm Scott Smith's Jeffrey. Then we have an honor 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.480 resalter Dog with us, Casey Phillips, Thank you guys for 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.520 having me. Love to kick off the new year. Feel 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.640 honored to be on this show. Well, you were actually requested. Wow, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.399 we're requested guests. One guy sent us like a multipart question, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.640 and one was when you're gonna have Casey on again? Wow? 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.520 Well he became my new favorite fan right there. I 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.240 don't remember his name. My reply was, it doesn't Casey 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.800 do enough? She's on every video? Yeah, I mean seriously, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.360 but this one is sounds like particulate special. Sounds like 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.840 he's getting your case for working too hard. Casey. Yeah, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.160 I mean that's rough. I don't know how I'm gonna 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.559 to handle this burn, this sick burn over here. That's 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.360 that's what you do when when you're trying to get 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.959 your next job, you say when they ask you, you know, 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.120 what's your weakness? I just sometimes I just work. I 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.920 care too much. That worked too hard. All of my 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.880 weaknesses are mostrain. So here's what you're here for, Casey 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.640 to join us in a sort of a wrap up 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.240 of the whole season. We usually end up talking at 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.200 length about the last game, but we're just gonna take 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.920 a bigger picture. Look here, Yeah, I agree, So we'll 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.560 do We'll do things like state our opinions on Team 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.520 MVP and things like that. But is there any topic 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.160 you want to go over before we get to that, Jeff, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.040 pretty good, I mean kind of mellowed after the Are 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.960 you mellow right now? After the new year? Out with 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.560 the old, in with the new. It's a new mellow 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.920 less less because I've only been at work for two 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.720 and a half hour and there's no reason to Jack. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.280 I mean, I'm gonna have to pick up my saltiness 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.079 level to make up for years. You've got something you 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.280 I have a number or a stat think is the 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.880 most incredible stat about our entire season, the five thousand yards. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.280 That's incredible. But I think this is more telling. I 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.400 think this sums everything up. The Buccaneers led the league 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.200 in points allowed off of turnovers with you know, there 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.679 was a bunch of picks six is there was a 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.160 lot of turnovers. That was clearly the problem with the season. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.320 Right this team takes, you know, put to cut those 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.280 turnvers in half. Give us the defensive turnaround we got 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.920 in the second half, and the obviously prolific abilities of 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.040 the offense, and I think you're at least a winning 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.680 team and maybe in the playoffs. So that's not the 0:02:55.680 --> 0:03:01.000 whole stat though. Wait, there's more behind Drew, I am 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.799 please tell me Jeff had to quit some some young 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.480 people at lunch the other day. Where does that come from? 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.800 Some young people? You know where? I mean? I know 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.440 it comes from a game show, but which one? I 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.760 don't think I can name you? Which one's I thought 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.959 of it the other day? Um? Yeah, yeah, okay. So 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.760 what's behind door two is the fact that despite allowing 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.360 the most points off turnovers, the Buccaneers actually outscored their 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.080 opponents in points off turnovers. We had a hundred thirty 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.280 points scored off of turnovers, which is fantastic. You lead 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.600 leading points scored off turnovers, you're usually in the playoffs 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.920 unless you're also leading in Uh so doesn't that pretty 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.839 much say that? As as astounding as that is, it's 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.720 not shocking. It just does well you saw it well, no, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.280 because this was the year of Can you believe it 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.960 was quarterbacks and then thirty for thirty? Can you believe 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.640 you had five turnovers in a game and you only 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.160 lose by three points? Can you leave that? Can you 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.480 believe you had a you have? Well, at the time 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.080 they got hurt, you had the second and third leading 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.960 receivers in the NFL, and and coach thought they would 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.440 both get and then can you believe they both pulled hamstrings? 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.200 Can you can you believe we have the sack leader 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.840 in the NFL? Yeah, that's what I thought was cool 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.560 about that statu is just what it shows about what 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.720 our defense has been able to do to even create 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.360 that many turnovers, to have that many options to score points. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.120 And to me, one of my can you believe was 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.880 how many games we were saying that the defense saved 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.960 the day that after the identity of this Buccaneers team 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.520 for several years, that we were used to saying, well, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.480 thank goodness, our offense can score forty points. And this 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.640 year there were several games that it was, man, thank goodness, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.520 our defense held them, Our defense forced turnovers, and it 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.119 was just such a it seemed like such a shift 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.400 in narrative. It was about mid season where that shifted, 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.760 because I mean, think of the Rams game. Defense didn't 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.360 help a lot in that one. Uh, they helped enough. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.479 They scored the winning touchdown that they didn't give up 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.960 fifty six. There you go, all right? So that was 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.720 that Those are our favorite stats. It's a good stuff. Yeah, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.400 I like that. Can you believe we have the sack 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.839 leader because hey, we've never had it before, even worn 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.560 SAP when he had sixteen point five, Leroy Glover at seventeen, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.600 but going into last weekend because Chandler Jones went off 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.039 in week sixteen got four. Yeah, so he's at nineteen 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.760 and Shacks at sixteen point five and that point, I'm 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.720 thinking there's no way. And he and we actually talked 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.159 about it a little bit because it looked like he 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.160 was going to lead wire to wire and and then 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.520 he loses it, and he loses it. Yeah, yeah, nothing 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.839 like Shack, just letting us wait till the last minute 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.880 that last game, really trying to hold on it and 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.200 like almost I love the JPP got several sacks the 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.600 game before, but I wanted to be like, stop, let's 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.640 shack that one, which is I'm aware not how it works, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.680 but but it's pretty cool. On bucks dot com or 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.839 on the app, you can see where they miked up Shack, 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.320 and it's pretty cool that JPP was very excited for him, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.000 saying you got it, you got it. If you haven't 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.760 seen it, you know, three weeks, maybe this week, maybe 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.760 this week maybe called small programming. JPP ended up with 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.280 eight point five sacks and I only played what ten 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.400 games like that, and he wasn't really in total great 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.120 football shap when he first got back. What do you 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.520 think he would have had and what do you think 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.480 Shack would have had if JPP had been here all year? Well, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.120 I'm of the rising tide lifts all boats kind of philosophy, 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.280 so I don't think he would have seriously cut into 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.839 checks total. But yeah, if he had played the whole 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.840 year and would be playing at the level he's playing 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.440 at the end, you gotta believe he makes it into 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.760 double digits, that would be an amazing right. But we 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.559 ended up with forty seven sacks, which is the second 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.279 most we've ever had, So the pass rush is there, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:38.800 at least until March. I'm saying, then we get him back. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.159 Only six minutes in the podcast and you're already all right, 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.479 you ready for this round table type discussion. Let's start 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.000 with Team MVP. Alright, let me open this up, open 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.960 one up. Oh you got some? No, I don't I have. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.200 This is really kind of embarrassing because Casey's sitting with 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.400 papers in front of her. You're sitting in with with 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.839 papers in front of you. I have nothing all I'm 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.799 doing is looking at all I have is your email 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.200 saying hey, here's what I wanted. I'm also going to 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:04.919 tell you, so you don't really have to. Well, I 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.360 understand Casey did a stacking the papers. Yes I did, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.920 and you're lucky it didn't make any ambies because Jeff 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:18.000 hates the ambient noise. Oh man, when you have a well, see, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.600 if I get asked to be on Salty Dogs, I'm 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.400 gonna come prepared. I'm gonna come with my research. I'm ready. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.120 You know, I'm taking the show seriously, unlike Ja. All 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.960 here's the thing. I don't need to write it down. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.240 I lived it, Okay, Okay, it's all stored up in 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.160 his memory bank over there. Yeah all right, so you 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:35.920 go first case he has our guest. Who's who's the 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.040 team MVP? Okay, Um, So this is actually the one 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.400 that I think I struggled with more than any of 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.000 the others. All the others, like, I had things that 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.680 came to me. Yeah real quick. I kind of really 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.640 put on the I know, I was really hoping this 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.160 was the one that I wasn't going to go first on, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.480 but um, I decided to go with Chris Godwin Um, 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.120 I felt like it's the combination of not only what 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.240 he did, but the fact that he made everybody else 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.520 better that what he lets Mike then do, and the 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.160 fact that, again we talked about how rare it is 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.400 to have two teammates over a thousand yards, two teammates 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.160 at the same position making the Pro Bowl, that that 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.000 is rare, that usually it is sort of more of 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.520 a cannibalistic thing. One guy has an amazing year and 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.080 it takes away from everybody else. But he was so 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.760 reliable and made plays in big moments, And I think 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.680 about his you know, his catch in Atlanta for that 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.640 long touchdown early on when we're down three oh, and 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.680 there's been a couple of turnovers, like he was the 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.800 kind of guy that could really elevate the moment and 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.080 the team and and open things up for Mike Evans 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.000 and and keep Mike from being able to just only 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.320 be the one doubled all the time. Um So, yeah, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.160 I just I felt in his his work ethic, his 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.520 locker room presence, everything that they talked about, even as 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.280 a rookie, he just didn't act like one at all. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.199 So his demeanor and then his actual just xs and 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.160 O's abilities and then what he did for the rest 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.960 of the offense overall for jamis as a security blanket. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.680 At times I thought was really big, if we're at like, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.280 if we're this is a democratic debate or something. I 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.640 think I think she said at all, Like I just 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.679 say said what she said. H Well, I mean it 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.680 would have been my number one choice as I wrote 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.960 down three names, him and Shack and Lavonte David, but 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.960 I think I'd go with god one in the end say, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.240 I went with Lavonte David. And the reason why I 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.600 went with Lavonte David is because of his leadership ability 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.840 that showed this year that out of and some people 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.000 would think out of nowhere, but Levante is a quiet leader. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.480 He's kind of a quiet guy anyways. But the presence 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.520 he took command of the locker room and the fact 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.400 that the defense was playing so poorly in the beginning, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.800 and uh, the young guys were paying attention to him 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.480 and he was Yeah, he played. He had a good year. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.400 It gets overshadowed when you're not winning. But I think 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.400 his leadership ability made him the m v P because 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.720 we are not going to the playoffs. But I think 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.120 where we got was because of his leadership. It's a 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.600 good choice. I agree with that. One of the good 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.480 things about the less stretch of season as I felt 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.000 like people started to give Lavonte the love that he deserves. Yeah, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.800 he was getting talked about a lot more, and he 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.480 tends to be overlooked quite a bit, like as in 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.000 the Pro Bowl. Yeah. I don't normally discuss or have, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.880 you know, say, my conversations what I have with players, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.600 but I am going to share this because they thought. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.960 I thought it was so telling. I saw Levante on 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.439 Monday when we were you know, players are leaving, and um, 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.760 we shook, gave a hug, and um, he said, I 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.280 am so excited, And I said really, and he goes, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.640 I am so excited for the young guys. How well 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.600 they came together. And that's why I say about that, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.319 is he he just said that how quickly they were 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.200 grasping once it came together, you know, once they started 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.679 to understand. And if you start looking at the statistics 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.320 of the beginning of the year and where we end 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.360 up this time, it's it's it's pretty strong. And you know, 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.520 we always hear that someone's got to be a leader, 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:57.560 someone's got to do something, and I was surprised during 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.920 the year when uh, Bruce arians made a comment, you know, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.280 what did you say after a game? He said, I 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.360 have to say anything Lavante Davon. I think that was 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.480 after that Tennessee game that was such a brutal loss, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.400 And yeah, you heard that. It was that he really 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:09.720 did go in there. And it is the fact you 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.560 mentioned he's he's a quieter player in general. That to 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.760 me makes it more um impactful when he does speak. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.520 That if it's someone that's always talking, there's maybe not 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.600 that way to elevate it. But because he is just 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.240 more of a lead by example guy, when he says something, 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.960 people listen because he does back it up with his play. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.040 And there were there was the Tennessee game, and I 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:30.480 think one or two other games where you heard that 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.360 if it was either at halftime or after the game, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.319 he was the one really stepping in, stepping up to 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.560 say this is not who we are, this is unacceptable, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.280 and you could tell it made an impact on the guys. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.480 It's the Tony Dungee theory. He always said, you know, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.320 he was famously not didn't raise his voice much, and 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.160 the players would say he was that kind, he was 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:49.800 that teacher at school that didn't raise your voice, but 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.560 when he did gave you a little bit attention. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.720 I gave you a look. Well, I think it's fun too, 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.719 is you know, we can discuss m v p s. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.720 But it's nice that we have a number of them, 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.560 and I can remember there are times that we you 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.960 were looking hard. It's by the way, we're not going 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.440 to do any breaks in this one. We're gonna go 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.880 straight through. So if you came here for that great 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.079 interstitial music, yeah you're not getting music. I mean that's 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.120 why I'm here. That means my life is simple. I 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.000 drop it in and go unless case he starts customing. Well, yeah, 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:26.640 you know you alright. Next one biggest surprise of the season, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.280 would you like to go first shift? Well, I think 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.800 your biggest surprise for me would be shock. I just 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.080 I did not you know, I knew he was a 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:40.040 good player. Um, he's also a really pretty cool person. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.040 I think nineteen point five Sex came as a big 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:46.040 surprise to so many names. I think, ye. But interesting enough, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.959 he was in Denver and we had him on the 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.480 Salty Dogs and he had talked about how he you know, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.880 he was learning behind Von Miller. He was always in 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.160 the back. The games he did play in in Denver, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.480 he was getting a sack. He was getting a sack 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.080 like almost. I'm not saying he didn't believe it himself. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.600 He definitely believed himself. His goal, as he said, was 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.600 to get to double digits, and he almost doubled that. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.520 So and and it's fascinating that. Um, you know, he 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.360 bet on himself and I'm always a big believer. He won. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.679 He won. I mean, he took a deal, He had 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.840 a couple of options. He took a one year deal. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.600 I mean four million dollars. There is a lot of money, 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.960 but it's it is amazing. And again, I also like 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.840 the root for the guys that are really good guys. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.400 Yea truly, Um I had that is my number one 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.120 choice too. But I'll give one other choice, the fact 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.760 that the secondary came together, uh, you know, in the 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.560 second half of the season, because you could We've seen 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.520 seasons and very recently where the secondary was struggling and 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.240 it just never got better, right, And we were at 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.440 this time at one point you could you could reasonably 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.319 be looking at this going, oh man, the Bucks have 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.280 really dropped a lot of assets into the secondary draft 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.640 assets and it's not happening. You're gonna have to start over. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.800 And you know, because we had Rummer Bunting and Carlton 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.880 Davis and Jamal Dean and nim G Stewart and Mike 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.920 Edwards and Jordan Whitehead. All these were recent draft picks. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.959 So the fact that it came together, it changes everything. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.760 And we didn't now in retrospect and go, Okay, I 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.200 get it. There they've young guys, I think, no offense, 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.199 but I think the release of Vernon Hargraves helped kind 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.760 of put the you know, it made it easier for 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.760 Lavonte David to be a leader, and it let these 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.560 guys kind of forge their own path and they decided 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.720 to work harder and harder. That was the That was 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.320 a little bit of a surprise, A very pleasant one. Yeah, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.080 Shack was my pick as well. If I was going 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.440 to go with another one, I think my mind might 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.840 be um the way that Breshad Paraman finished the year, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.240 because I mean he just at the beginning of the 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.200 season just was almost a non factor. And when you 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.120 thought that he was going to be your solid number 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.800 three target, I mean yes, again, Mike and Chris are 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.040 taking a lot of your targets and and coach kept 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.240 talking about how it was just opportunities. But all the time, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.400 it's just an opportunities. But like you know, coaches are 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.240 going to say that regardless, you know, because they're not 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.080 gonna so yeah, I mean, like you know, you know, 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.960 a coach isn't gonna want to trash a player of like, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.680 oh yeah, well he's not doing what he's supposed to 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.360 like he I mean, Bruce will occasionally call guys out 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.640 like that we've seen. But I was like, Okay, is 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.520 it really opportunities or usually though, if like you you 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.040 really force them to give you opportunities almost if you're 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.040 playing well enough. And I just didn't really know what 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.560 he was going to pan out to be. And then man, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.920 he proved that really was what it was. It was 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.080 just opportunities. It's hard to be the number three guy 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.280 on this team. Yeah. Bruce said that on on the 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:28.560 show that I Do with him that he said that 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.000 usually anyone outside of the number one and two guys, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.000 and maybe even the number two sometimes are going to 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.600 walk in on Monday and be a little upset. But 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.720 he said, you know you you always you love guys 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.880 that want the ball. Everyone wants the ball, and he said, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.760 there's only so many to go around, and usually if 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.200 you're a number three guy, you're not getting it very often. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.120 There was something through a statut brushot when he was 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.560 talking on Mondays along lines of, you know, the first 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.320 half of the season, you're only catching like thirty three 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.280 percent of your targets and now here at the end 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.520 it's up to seventy And I'm like, Okay, this is 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.160 really a bad sample size issu're here because it was 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.840 like six out of his first eighteen or something like that. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.920 And targets are kind of a dumbstat that coaches hate 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.480 because you know, sometimes you're targeted, but it's not really catchable. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.680 And he was such a deep ball threat that he's 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.040 getting a lower percentage type of a pass that's you know, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.040 he's not getting these five yards slants that are a 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.000 lot more gimmy than a sixty yard bomb. So that's 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.920 also not fair to compare him to other guys. And 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.880 you also pointed out when he was with Cleveland, he 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.760 came on in the second half of the year and 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.840 it seems the same here. It seems like he's that guy. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.560 So if you're ever going to make a playoff run, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.400 that's the guy that just wants to put him in 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.920 like a hermetically sealed bag until him it's eight games 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.280 and bring him out. And he was pretty solid, very good. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.200 All right, let's move on. All right, what was your 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.840 best What was the best or most enjoyable game for 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.600 you this year? I guess that's my It was the 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.360 Rams game probably, Yeah, that's what I picked. Fireworks. It 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.480 was so much fun and you went there at the 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.000 beginning of that how many every many weeks in a 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:00.840 row was that we were to be away from home 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.440 and it was the very beginning of it, and it 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.600 looked awfully daunting, and in fact it did prove to be. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.800 But getting that first win in l A against the 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.000 team I know they missed the playoffs, but at the 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.359 time they were defeated, they were they had been in 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.600 the Super Bowl. They just got done beating the Saints, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.520 and you got, yeah, that's right. And then it made 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.280 that five and a half hour playing flight home a 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.479 lot a lot more tolerable when you're getting into four 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.040 in the morning. Well, I liked it too, because the 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.680 game previously was such a letdown. Yeah, that was part 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.360 of what made me pick it was it was such 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.640 a letdown. So then you go to this game and 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.960 I think you saw what the team could be. I 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.640 think that was what you kind of stood there and went, yeah, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.120 you want holy smokes, this is this is something special. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.119 But then the defense did what they needed to do 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.560 to win the game. They got four takeaways in that game. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.600 You know, you you kind of forget that because there 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.800 were so many points that they allowed. They did get 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.240 four takeaways, They scored the touchdown and one of the 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.320 one of the touchdowns for the Rams was actually picked six, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.720 so you can't blame him for that one. That's also true. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.800 But yeah, I just thought also that getting to watch 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.919 Sue scoop and score at the end against his former team, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.359 and there was just so much to it, the storyline wise, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.600 and and it did feel like after that Giants game, 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.040 that kind of game can be defining in so many ways, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.200 but it is such a brutal loss, and to see 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.680 that the team would respond the way they did gave 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.480 me a hope that no matter what happens this year, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.679 it's not going to mean a permanent downslide after a 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.440 negative game like they didn't become contagious, and I thought 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.200 that is why they were able to even finish the year. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:29.560 The way they were is that this was a team 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.639 that didn't care what had happened the week before that. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.000 Each game, really they were coming in ready to do work. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.840