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Speaker 2: Now, I guess the night of the researcher and author
Speaker 2: of the New York Times bestseller Eve, How the Female
Speaker 2: Body Drove two hundred million years of human evolution?
Speaker 3: Please welcome Kat Bohannan.
Speaker 4: Hey everybody, how's that hanging a little to the left? Then?
Speaker 3: So, okay, you set out to prove that the human
Speaker 3: body drove human evolution? What did you discover?
Speaker 4: One of the central things I discovered was that we
Speaker 4: are garbage at making babies, just the entire species. This
Speaker 4: is actually a flaming garbage pile. This is the technical term, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: So you wouldn't think so, right, because we have eight
Speaker 4: billion people in the world, right, so you think that
Speaker 4: we are obviously good at popping them out. But no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no. Actually, our pregnancies and bird and postpartum recoveries
Speaker 4: are harder and longer and more prone to dangerous and
Speaker 4: crippling and sometimes murdery complications than they are in most
Speaker 4: any other primate, well except for a squirrel monkey, and
Speaker 4: we feel real bad for her, but also also most
Speaker 4: other mammals. Actually, we do, in fact suck at this,
Speaker 4: and that changes how you understand the story of the
Speaker 4: female body. Yeah, that changes how you understand what all
Speaker 4: this is for. It's not that it is our destiny
Speaker 4: to make babies to be fulfilled or.
Speaker 3: Something wasn't mine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, no, no, I mean I love my kids,
Speaker 4: but I'm good to be done with that. No, it's
Speaker 4: more it's more like, it's how.
Speaker 3: We do it, particularly as a species, is so bad.
Speaker 4: That there are many fail safes. There are many things
Speaker 4: built into kind of brace for impact. Yeah, it's more
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, that there are ways in which our
Speaker 4: immune system has adapted because the placenta down regulates the
Speaker 4: immune system. So you know, since you don't want to
Speaker 4: die of infection when you're pregnant, maybe your immune system
Speaker 4: runs a little hot the rest of the time. Right.
Speaker 4: It may be the case that we breastfeed the way
Speaker 4: that we do. It may be the case that we
Speaker 4: have menstruation the way that we do in each case
Speaker 4: because we are actually just trying not to die.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see, And from what I read that you found.
Speaker 3: What you found was that all of this medical research
Speaker 3: in science has been based on the what do we say,
Speaker 3: cis male sex at births.
Speaker 4: I'm progressive, yeah, yeah, it's just dicks all the way down,
Speaker 4: so instead of turtles, right, exactly, exactly, So this is
Speaker 4: true in biological research. This is true in biomedical research.
Speaker 4: We are only studying males, right, And it's basically because
Speaker 4: this thing we call a menstrual cycle, which a biologist
Speaker 4: would call an estrous cycle, is just so messy and complicated. Right,
Speaker 4: So you have this slope of hormones that's doing all
Speaker 4: kinds of things in a female body if you're studying mammals,
Speaker 4: so maybe just don't then don't want study them. That
Speaker 4: seemed to be the solution.
Speaker 3: Icy, Just let's not deal with Yes.
Speaker 4: It's not like there was any sexis cable. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying there isn't sexism. It's more like it's not necessarily
Speaker 4: sexism that was driving it. It's more that there was
Speaker 4: a kind of unspoken agreement in biology, Oh, we'll solve
Speaker 4: this problem, this messy, messy chick problem in rats, mostly
Speaker 4: by not studying the female. Yeah, which means that by
Speaker 4: the time you get to doing biological research that might
Speaker 4: lead to pharmaceuticals, well, then it may not have been
Speaker 4: studied on females at all.
Speaker 3: Is research getting any better with this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and that is the absolutely good news. I
Speaker 4: mean it's often intergenerational. Yeah, there is some resistance from
Speaker 4: the old guard. It's not like that's new to science.
Speaker 4: That's kind of in any industry when you have a
Speaker 4: social shift, when you have a pair paradigm shift in
Speaker 4: understanding what you're doing. So there is some resistance by
Speaker 4: the people who are giving the scientists the grants. There
Speaker 4: is some resistance from the old people because it's not
Speaker 4: nothing to change your mind. What is it to be
Speaker 4: told that for decades you may be a nobel laureate.
Speaker 4: In fact, sometimes you know we're wrong about something. That's
Speaker 4: actually a hard shift, that's hard to do. There are
Speaker 4: many older scientists who are leading the guard, but there
Speaker 4: are some who are not. So that's the thing. But
Speaker 4: no new generation coming in doing all the new science.
Speaker 4: And it's like the wild West out there, man, Like
Speaker 4: anywhere you look for a sex difference in mammals, you
Speaker 4: kind of find one, right, which also means that we
Speaker 4: don't entirely know what's going to matter in the long run, right,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's new, it's not just cutting edge science,
Speaker 4: it's like bleeding edge science. Right, But it's cool and.
Speaker 3: It's moving forward. It isn't necessarily gendered. It's gendered in
Speaker 3: that it's like what your sex at birth is. But
Speaker 3: like you were talking about the male and female brain
Speaker 3: and that they're indistinguishable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now don't do this at home. But
Speaker 4: if you do, hold two cadaver brains in your hands,
Speaker 4: if this occasion happens upon you, I can't imagine why.
Speaker 4: But if you were and nobody prepped you to say
Speaker 4: this one came from a biologically male body, this one
Speaker 4: came from a female body, there's actually no way for
Speaker 4: you to know. There may be some minor sex differences
Speaker 4: in myelination, some ratio of gray matter in one region,
Speaker 4: but in the exact same brain in another region it'll
Speaker 4: have the opposite pattern. It's more like a sex mosaicism.
Speaker 4: The only way to tell for sure is to literally
Speaker 4: shove them in a blender, sluice them down. We've done this.
Speaker 4: Sluice them down, count the cells and sequence the DNA,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have to do a number of them
Speaker 4: because females who have given birth to males may well
Speaker 4: have some of his cells up in their brains, just
Speaker 4: reprolac some wise like some actual wise, that's how we
Speaker 4: know that there's chimerism. Yeah, like I have a sign
Speaker 4: and his cells are apparently probably in my brain just
Speaker 4: doing something I don't know what, right, Yeah, but that
Speaker 4: is the only way to know, just sequencing the d
Speaker 4: which is some cool.
Speaker 3: You know, she's really cool, right, Like you talk about science,
Speaker 3: but it sounds like beat poetry. I would say, for
Speaker 3: a book that is all about the female form and
Speaker 3: the female body and all that stuff, you talk a
Speaker 3: lot about dix, Like why so much dick?
Speaker 4: I do there's a surprising amount of dong in this book.
Speaker 5: That is true.
Speaker 4: It's true. I mean it's like a woman holding a
Speaker 4: cell phone, like, did there need to be that much
Speaker 4: penis in here? Right? Apparently the answer is yes, because
Speaker 4: vagina's and penis is not for your phone. But in
Speaker 4: this case, vaginas and penises co evolve in all species
Speaker 4: that have them, which means you can't like talk about
Speaker 4: the evolution of the badge without talking about the coevolution
Speaker 4: of its I don't know, excitable partner, right, maybe eager, earnest,
Speaker 4: earnest partner. Yes, they try real hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like a penis like an in
Speaker 3: and outside vagina, don't they put them in? No, I
Speaker 3: don't really know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Now. Are you actually be surprised how scientifically accurate that
Speaker 4: question is, my dear? No. Actually, when the genitals are
Speaker 4: forming in those early weeks in the wombs, they all
Speaker 4: form from the same bud essentially, and there's a diagram
Speaker 4: of it in the book, very nicely done. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: they're essentially the same thing for a long time. And
Speaker 4: what becomes the clitterists in a typical female uh it
Speaker 4: tangle when.
Speaker 3: You said clitterish, you know, you.
Speaker 4: Know, extends out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's not
Speaker 4: that it's an inside out vagina, but it is true
Speaker 4: that it is remarkably from the same stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what why should men read your book? Should
Speaker 3: men read your book?
Speaker 4: I think so for their own good. So the thing is,
Speaker 4: they can read my book and care about it to.
Speaker 3: Learn about the human body like all the books we read.
Speaker 4: Or we can cut off their balls.
Speaker 3: This is a great ending point, and yet I feel
Speaker 3: I'd like to know if you would like.
Speaker 4: To expound, I will see. The thing is, let's talk
Speaker 4: about sex and longevity. Yeah. The thing is is that
Speaker 4: there are many ways to extend a male mammals lifespan
Speaker 4: to make them live longer. We know that females generally
Speaker 4: live longer and males don't across mammals. But the one
Speaker 4: thing that you can do that's more reliable than just
Speaker 4: about anything else is castrated cut off is balls. This
Speaker 4: is and we know this because we have caught out
Speaker 4: thousands of balls. Okay for science, right, So we have
Speaker 4: done rat balls, we have done rodents of all types.
Speaker 4: We have done dogs. You've probably done that. Well, you
Speaker 4: paid a guy, but that adds like a year and
Speaker 4: a half domestic dogs life, pigs and monkeys, and humans.
Speaker 4: We have the data. In humans, the Korean court, the
Speaker 4: Korean Imperial Court kept very good medical record and had
Speaker 4: eunuchs American men in the mid century who were hospitalized,
Speaker 4: usually for mental illness. And because the history of eugenics
Speaker 4: is horrific, we're also castrated. Very good medical records and
Speaker 4: a central Asian tradition too. All of these castrated males
Speaker 4: lived longer, healthier lives than their regularly bald peers. And
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about a small gain. It's an average
Speaker 4: of fourteen years. So why is that.
Speaker 3: You know your small stork is phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Why are so many men smuggling too little death nuggets?
Speaker 4: You know, like, why are these the ping pongs of destiny?
Speaker 4: Why are these the actual grapes of wrath?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, And the answer is we are not entirely sure.
Speaker 4: We have some models, some scientists are doing the work,
Speaker 4: but this is the actual future of j intology. Figuring
Speaker 4: out why there are sex differences in aging and why
Speaker 4: cutting off balls will make men live longer is how
Speaker 4: we're going to provide better medicine versus men. And I
Speaker 4: think we can all get on board here. American men
Speaker 4: deserve better from medicare than a mass castration plan.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a very good point. I mean mic drop right. Great,
Speaker 3: let's talk about technology. It's great. It mostly makes life
Speaker 3: easier for humans, and in exchange, we humans try our
Speaker 3: best to not drop it into the toilet. But right now,
Speaker 3: the technology we're talking about is artificial intelligence. Since into
Speaker 3: our lives, we've all been trying to grapple with its
Speaker 3: larger impact. We're seeing kids use it to cheat in school.
Speaker 3: We're seeing shitty partners use it for breakups. Chat GPT
Speaker 3: is even able to pass the legal bar exam meaning
Speaker 3: it'll be the first AI to develop an addiction to cocaine.
Speaker 3: But it might be a good thing that chat gpt
Speaker 3: could be a lawyer, because a lot of people are
Speaker 3: taking its ass to court.
Speaker 6: This morning, a game of Thrones erupting over the rights
Speaker 6: to some of the most popular works in the world.
Speaker 3: George R. R.
Speaker 6: Martin and more than a dozen other authors now suing
Speaker 6: open ai, creator of chat gpt, Martin joining forces with
Speaker 6: authors like Jody Pecoe, John Grisham, Ellen Hildebrand, Michael Connolly,
Speaker 6: and David Baldacci to take on the AI giant.
Speaker 1: And comedian Sarah Silverman is suing Open AI and Meta.
Speaker 3: She claims the company's developed artificial intelligence tools that freely
Speaker 3: copied her memoir Bedweather without permission. That's right, mother, stand writing.
Speaker 3: Luminaries like myself and George R. R. Martin R are
Speaker 3: suing AI, and I'll tell you why in another installment
Speaker 3: of Long Story Short. For as long as we have
Speaker 3: had civilization, we've also had art. For over forty thousand years,
Speaker 3: artists have had a sacred creative process. They sit down
Speaker 3: to ruminate on the human condition. They pace, and they
Speaker 3: struggle to focus. They get up to get a snack,
Speaker 3: maybe take a nap. Then they work a bit more,
Speaker 3: so they reward themselves by scrolling Instagram on the toilet
Speaker 3: for so long they shit again. Then they finally get
Speaker 3: something on the page, and when they ask their partner
Speaker 3: for feedback, they get mad when it isn't what they
Speaker 3: wanted to hear because their partner doesn't get me. Why
Speaker 3: do I even ask you? You're supposed to support me.
Speaker 3: Then eventually they buckle down, really do the work, and
Speaker 3: finally voila tub thumping. But now generative AI can eliminate
Speaker 3: that entire creative process in a matter of seconds.
Speaker 7: Dolly two is artificial intelligence software that can turn anything
Speaker 7: new type into art in any style. Portraits of a
Speaker 7: panda in the style of Renoir and.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 1: While Game of Thrones author George R. Martin has had
Speaker 1: fans waiting years for his next novels, one programmer used
Speaker 1: chat GPT to generate the longer waited installments in mere minutes.
Speaker 3: A programmer generated his own shitty ending to Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3: Why waste your time? HBO already did that for you.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: AI has helped open many avenues for new works There's
Speaker 3: just one problem. They're not new works. What these programs
Speaker 3: do is scrape text and images from existing works and
Speaker 3: feed it into their system in order to create copycats.
Speaker 3: So when someone wanted to know what a modern Mona
Speaker 3: Lisa would look like, they just typed it into an
Speaker 3: AI program and seconds later it pumped out this. That's right.
Speaker 3: We used this ultra powerful technological tool to put titties
Speaker 3: on the Mona Lisa congrat Society. We did it. And
Speaker 3: for the record, if we're gonna add sweater puppies to
Speaker 3: a Da Vinci painting, it should have been the last supper.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at them. Who's going to crucify these melons? Anyway?
Speaker 3: These programs are not just pumping out busty, derivative works
Speaker 3: of art. They're also printing money. Chat GBT is on
Speaker 3: track to make a billion dollars just this year alone,
Speaker 3: which is great for them. But the problem is that
Speaker 3: these companies are using artists work without consent or credit
Speaker 3: or payment. And I've had first hand experience with this
Speaker 3: theft because one one of the one hundred thousand books
Speaker 3: used to train chat GPT was my book The Bedwetter,
Speaker 3: available wherever books are sold, and by the way, that
Speaker 3: book is about my actual life, my jokes, my experiences,
Speaker 3: my pain and chat. GPT stole all of it and
Speaker 3: didn't even have the courtesy to give me Mona Lisa Tits.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that hard work, and surprisingly many of
Speaker 3: the owners of these AI companies don't seem to be
Speaker 3: in a giant rush to unpack the moral implications.
Speaker 8: I bought this for seventy nine dollars thinking it was
Speaker 8: the work of a talented artist, but a robot made
Speaker 8: it AI software called mid Journey, created by David Holst.
Speaker 8: How do you respond to the idea that this is
Speaker 8: somehow a counterfeit form of artistic expression.
Speaker 9: Well, we're not really selling art where just we have
Speaker 9: this community that's playing with this technology. Like the art
Speaker 9: comedy already has issues with plagiaris. I don't really want
Speaker 9: to be involved in that.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I might be maybe you know what you made? Oh no,
Speaker 3: you guys aren't going to use the atomic bomb I
Speaker 3: made to hurt people, are you? When did humanity's villains
Speaker 3: start looking like such beta cooks? I mean, say what
Speaker 3: you want about Genghis Khan, but at least he looks
Speaker 3: like his stomach could handle milk. And this is precisely both.
Speaker 3: Thank you. This is precisely why you are seeing artists
Speaker 3: filing lawsuits to protect not only their creative work but
Speaker 3: the work of future artists. And just to be clear,
Speaker 3: I'm not looking to shut down AI or turn the
Speaker 3: clock back. I just want guardrails so that AI fairly
Speaker 3: compensates the people whose work comprises its entire brain. This
Speaker 3: is not anything new. Technological advancements will always require regulation.
Speaker 3: For example, when technology brought us turntables and music sampling,
Speaker 3: it helped launch the genre of rap music and brought
Speaker 3: us lyrical wizards like Biggie and Tupac and chet Hanks.
Speaker 3: But back when it started, it wasn't clear whether sampling
Speaker 3: was an innovative art form or stealing. But eventually legal
Speaker 3: guardrails were put in place. That helps set how technology
Speaker 3: could be used to create art and compensate those whose
Speaker 3: previous works were being used. It's not perfect, but both
Speaker 3: sides can get what they want. It's why every time
Speaker 3: you listen to the jay Z song hard Night Life,
Speaker 3: those kids from Annie get money so they don't have
Speaker 3: to live in an orphanage anymore. Everybody Winnings. So long
Speaker 3: story short, I'm not saying we should destroy these AI models.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying we also need rules to protect artists
Speaker 3: and their work, and I'm confident we can find a
Speaker 3: way through this because artists are resilient. We get knocked down,
Speaker 3: but we get up again. You're never going to keep
Speaker 3: us down when we come back. The incredible Margo Price
Speaker 3: will be joining me.
Speaker 5: Were welcome back to the n Show.
Speaker 3: My guest tonight is a Grammy nominated singer, songwriter, and author.
Speaker 3: She's here to talk about her latest album, Strays, and
Speaker 3: her memoir Maybe We'll Make It. Please welcome Margot Price.
Speaker 3: Hello all, So, oh my god, I thought my phone
Speaker 3: alarm was on, but it was the music from here. Sorry,
Speaker 3: my edibles are kicking.
Speaker 4: It happened to me all the time.
Speaker 3: So your album is about substance abuse, it's about self image,
Speaker 3: it's about abortion rights and you you wrote it on mushrooms?
Speaker 3: Was that a rebel and songwriting? Tell me spill it was?
Speaker 10: I really wanted to shake things up, you know. I
Speaker 10: kind of got my start with this old school country album.
Speaker 10: It was called Midwest Farmer's Daughter, and Jack White put
Speaker 10: it out and things kindly kind of finally turned around
Speaker 10: for me. But yeah, with this album, I just wanted
Speaker 10: to be able to go out there and not be pigeonholed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but the psilocybin opened your brain did what
Speaker 3: I'm like, so into this.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's been pretty transformative for me. The first time
Speaker 10: I had a psychedelic trip, I was twenty years old,
Speaker 10: and I dropped out of college and.
Speaker 4: Moved to Nashville.
Speaker 10: Highly suggested for anybody who doesn't want to get into
Speaker 10: a student loan debt. But then yeah, then the next
Speaker 10: time I took it, I wrote this album. And then
Speaker 10: the third time that I took it, I decided to
Speaker 10: quit drinking alcohol, which had really been a challenge for me.
Speaker 10: It's kind of after I started reading about Bill Wilson
Speaker 10: and the work he did with AA, and he initially
Speaker 10: had a psychedelic experience on a plant called belladonna, and
Speaker 10: they were actually at the very beginning moments of AA,
Speaker 10: they were giving people asset and it was crying their alcoholism.
Speaker 10: So I don't know, if you're feeling stuck with anything.
Speaker 3: I love say in my early twenties, ecstasy changed my life.
Speaker 10: Yeah, m DNA is absolutely incredible. For compassion as well.
Speaker 3: And you know you're honest and you walk the walk.
Speaker 3: You've been really vocal about gun control, which is I
Speaker 3: think the number one killer of children in this country.
Speaker 3: And boy, you even took a detour on the road
Speaker 3: to vote in Nashville for the mayor. That's right.
Speaker 10: I was out on tour and it was just a
Speaker 10: really important election for Nashville, and so I took off
Speaker 10: at ten o'clock at night, got to Nashville at three
Speaker 10: in the morning, woke up at nine, voted, and then
Speaker 10: drove back and played a show.
Speaker 3: And like, what is it like being a liberal in
Speaker 3: a kind of a country world?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I definitely don't get invited to all
Speaker 10: the parties, but that's okay. Their parties suck, And yeah,
Speaker 10: I think it's been I like pushing boundaries. I like
Speaker 10: pushing my limits. I think that if we can have conversations.
Speaker 10: We live in such polarizing times, and really, if we
Speaker 10: could all realize that we're more like than we think
Speaker 10: and began to talk about these things. I want to
Speaker 10: destigmatize psychedelics and just thoughts on gun control. I think
Speaker 10: that the only way to do that is by talking
Speaker 10: about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Not different.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never disliked someone I've actually met face
Speaker 3: to face. That's right, face, that's right. Yeah, you have
Speaker 3: a song called Light Me Up. Why don't you explain
Speaker 3: to the audience what it's about, Margo?
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, this song was one that we wrote the
Speaker 10: day after we took a God's Toe of Mushrooms. And
Speaker 10: you know, I was just listening to a lot of
Speaker 10: songs in the country music world and even in the
Speaker 10: Americana world, and I just wasn't hearing a lot of
Speaker 10: songs about the female orgasm, and I thought we needed
Speaker 10: to change that. So it's, uh, yeah, it's just a
Speaker 10: liberating song about sex and women's pleasure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you lived in such a time, and
Speaker 10: I mean, and I live in a place where, you know,
Speaker 10: abortion rights and women's bodies are just they're not our own.
Speaker 10: And I've I'm here to show up and and and fight.
Speaker 3: I love it. Ero's Kiss book. Maybe we'll make it.
Speaker 3: And what was your approach to writing a book? Is
Speaker 3: are there any similarities to how you approached songwriting? Was
Speaker 3: it a completely different daunting task?
Speaker 10: It was daunting, and I know you know as well,
Speaker 10: laying it all out there. I started writing it when
Speaker 10: I found myself pregnant with my daughter, Ramona, and I
Speaker 10: was just at home and I couldn't tour. And through
Speaker 10: the process, it was also kind of when I decided
Speaker 10: to give up drinking. Because I was reading everything from
Speaker 10: this different place, I was able to give myself a
Speaker 10: little bit more compassion as I was reading things back.
Speaker 3: But I was scared to put it all out there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 10: It's everybody I've slept with, all the drugs I've ever done,
Speaker 10: so sorry, Grandma.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting because you know, having written a book,
Speaker 3: you know, a memoir, it's you kind of have to
Speaker 3: really be a detective in your own life, and you
Speaker 3: realize that's really good just for everybody to do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you learned so much from it and you're I
Speaker 3: think your editor read it and said, gee, it feels
Speaker 3: like whiskey is the main character of this book.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, definitely. She said that that was like my
Speaker 10: co star, and it's true. I mean I used to
Speaker 10: drink harder than anybody, and that was just kind of.
Speaker 4: The way that I lived.
Speaker 10: And it was like a badge of honor. And it
Speaker 10: was kind of going through that whole time. It's been
Speaker 10: almost three years now, and it's just been completely transformative
Speaker 10: to give it up and just have all this extra everybody.
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