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Speaker 1: Sports Park. Yes, it always feels good to be home.

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427
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Speaker 1: was going to end. You know, I didn't say anything negative,

428
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: but I just talked about guys on what I saw,

429
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: what were their positives, what were their negatives. And then

430
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: once I stopped coaching in twenty eighteen, that's when I

431
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: attacked it full force, and I started with a small

432
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: website called cover one dot com. I was writing for

433
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: like five or ten dollars part article, but the guys

434
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: were like, slow down just because they were having to

435
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: pay me so much money, just because I was getting

436
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: articles out so much. But I just love the grind

437
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: of the draft. That's something that I've always loved. I

438
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: was that kid that sat in front of the TV

439
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: back when the draft was two days long. If you remember,

440
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: my parents would tell me please go outside and play,

441
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: like just get out from in front of the TV.

442
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: I was that person that, yeah, I was a draft nick.

443
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: I sat in front of the TV the entire draft,

444
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to figure out a way to

445
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: combine journalism, which is something I've always loved. But I

446
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: was never able to attack it full force just because

447
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: I was a college athlete, so I couldn't really focus

448
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: on it a whole bunch and the NFL draft, So

449
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: I figured, why not, let's just go ahead and combine

450
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: the two, and it ended up working out for me.

451
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: What is it about the evaluation process that you like

452
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: so much? I mean, you've really got to be kind

453
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: of a nerd to get it. I'm a nerd, You're

454
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: a nerd, But I mean it's a very unique aspect

455
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: of being a fan of a sport. Why is it

456
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: so appealing to you? Well, so, at my alma mater,

457
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: North Carolina Central University, in my final two years, I

458
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: was the recruiting director. So what happened with that is

459
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: I was able to sit in the living rooms of

460
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: different individuals, sitting being able to talk with moms and

461
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: dads and understanding and figuring out their story. Why did

462
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: they love football? Did you dislike certain things? Did you

463
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: like certain things? So I think with that that's really

464
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: where I fell in love with scouting. And I'm a

465
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: big background person, so I love learning about stories like

466
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: how did you get from this point to this point

467
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: to where you're standing in front of us as media

468
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: people and telling your story. So I think that's where

469
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the draft. As far as

470
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: just figuring out background stories. Just because I can go

471
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: on YouTube and I can type in Aidan Hutchinson, I

472
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: can see you're very good at sacking the quarterback. But

473
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: as far as his story, his upbringing and things like that,

474
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: uncovering those layers and figuring out who the person is

475
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: when their helmet is off, that's something I take pride in.

476
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: Who is your favorite story so far in the twenty

477
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: twenty two draft process. That's a really really good question.

478
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: So one, his name is Tyler out Year. He's a

479
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: running back from BYU. So he actually was a walk

480
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: on when he first got to BYU, and the way

481
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: that he paid for his tuition and to stay in

482
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: school was working at Walmart. That was the way that

483
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: he was able to stay at BYU. And after two

484
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: years of working at Walmart and his performance obviously being

485
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: better on the football field, he was put on scholarship.

486
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: And I think he's one of the more underrated players

487
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: at the running back position. So Tyler Algier from BYU

488
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: as a tremendous story. Do you have a position group

489
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: that you are really excited about watching this year? Specifically

490
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: here at the combine, I played quarterback, so I'm a

491
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: quarterback through and through, no matter how good or bad

492
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: the position group is. I just love watching quarterbacks, Like

493
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: that's what I grew up playing. I grew up watching

494
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: it too, so I'm always going to be interested in

495
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: just seeing the quarterbacks. And he was the same way

496
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. It's just different seeing them throwing

497
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: person as opposed to you know, looking at the film

498
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: and the ball just comes out their hand differently, and

499
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of a quarterback thing. I don't want to

500
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: get too deep into it, but just seeing them throw

501
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: the ball in person, it's a little bit different, all right.

502
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: So give us a thumbnail on Kenny Pickett for example. Yeah,

503
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: so he's a five year player at pitt and he

504
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal year last year, forty two touchdowns to

505
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: seven interceptions. Everybody saw the fake slide touchdown in the

506
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: ACC title game. And the thing about Pickett is that

507
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: he's very gifted as far as his intel of the game,

508
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: understanding of protections, knowing where everybody's supposed to be. His

509
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: accuracy is really good too. I think he has above

510
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: average arm strength. I think it's probably in that tier.

511
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: But as far as the intangibles, He's a phenomenal leader.

512
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: That's what every coach in the facility, all this team

513
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: may say about him too. So I'm looking forward to

514
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: see him throwing person against like I did at the

515
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. All Right, Malik Quillas, Yeah, he's my favorite

516
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: quarterback in the Drift. I think very highly of Malik,

517
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: and he has a very interesting story too. He actually

518
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: started his career at Auburn. He was there with Gus Milson,

519
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: and then of course when he was ultimately let go,

520
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: he ended up at Liberty with Hugh Freeze. And the

521
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: thing about Malik is that he's so talented, he's so

522
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: physically gifted, but he's really raw coming out. That's the

523
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: word that you're going to hear attached to him a lot.

524
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Speaker 1: I think he's probably even rather than what Josh Allen

525
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: was coming out of Wyoming. So he probably needs that

526
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: entrenched starter in front of him just so he can

527
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: learn the game. He can understand the nuances and the

528
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: details of playing the position, and I think he has

529
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: a very bright future. But of course, just like any

530
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: other quarterback, just depends on landing spots. Ritter. He's another

531
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: one that has a very interesting story and I can

532
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: tell it if you guys don't mind me. So, coming

533
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: out of high school, he only had one offer, which

534
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: was Cincinnati, and so he had to had his high school.

535
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: He actually went through a tryout in order to get

536
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: that offer. And he's from Kentucky, so it happened during

537
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: the same day of the Kentucky Derby, and in Kentucky

538
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: that's actually a holiday. So he had to get all

539
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: his friends together, go to that field and perform for

540
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: that coach in Cincinnati. So after that workout, he gets

541
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: a call from the coach. He goes in a porter

542
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: potty at the Kentucky Derby and finds out that he

543
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: gets an offer from Cincinnati. The coach that watched him

544
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: was Zach Taylor, Bengal's head coach. That's awesome. Yeah, I

545
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: think he can play. I just I think he's got

546
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: a nice game. How do you evaluate him with the

547
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: other guys. He has a very clean game. I mean

548
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: he started over fifty games, he's won over forty in

549
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: his career. I think from a pocket standpoint from reading defenses,

550
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: he's very clean, has a nice, smooth delivery, gets through

551
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: progressions really well, has smooth footwork. The thing that Desmond

552
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: needs to clean up a little bit. It's just his

553
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: ball placement. It can't get a little bit erratic at times.

554
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: But as far as his maturity and being able to

555
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: translate to the next level, I think as far as

556
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: the responsibilities and the things that he was tasked with

557
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, I think that's going to translate well to

558
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: the next level. What's the story on Matt Correll. We

559
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: know he suffered an injury late late late in the season.

560
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: How is that going to impact what his future looks

561
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: like with the National Football League. It's kind of TBD

562
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: to be determined with him. It's kind of mixed opinions

563
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: on him right now. Just because of all the quarterbacks

564
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: that were projected to go early in the draft, he's

565
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: the only one we haven't seen. And if you think

566
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: about all the other quarterbacks we saw them throw down

567
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: in Mobile, he's the only one that just has I

568
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't say question marks. We just haven't seen him playing

569
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: a very long time. He injured the ankle in the

570
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: bowl game against Baylor, and unfortunate that he's not going

571
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: to throw here. I was really hoping to see him

572
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: throw in person. He has the injury that he's not

573
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: comfortable with playing with Right now, he's gonna wait to

574
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: his pro day to throw the football. So, I mean,

575
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: he's a player that quick twitch. That's just the way

576
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: to describe him. Everything's fast with him. He kind of

577
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: plays the game like a shortstop and as far as

578
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: when they're trying to pick up the ball and throw

579
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: it at the first base, he treats the game like that.

580
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: And he has very quick feed as a very lightning

581
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: quick release too, So quick is the best word to

582
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: describe him. Who's the number one pick in the draft

583
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done. So I think there's

584
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: two candidates right now. Is Evan Neil from Alabama, offensive

585
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: tackle from Alabama, and then also he Kim Mkwanu, the

586
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: offensive tackle from NC State, And yeah, yeah, I got

587
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see him alive against Wake Forest, and

588
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's a phenomenal human being. He looked apart

589
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: every bit of six foot four, three hundred and twenty pounds.

590
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: So athletic was actually the last leg and it's four

591
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: by one team in high school. So that just goes

592
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: to show you we're talking about a two hundred and

593
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: seventy pounds human being at the time running with very

594
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: much smaller people than him. He was the last leg

595
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: of the ankle leg on that team. So I think

596
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: he's so gifted as far as from a past protection standpoint.

597
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: His demeanor is just in his temperament is so physical

598
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: as a run block or two. So I think that's

599
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: something that's gonna appeal to a lot of scouts. So

600
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: you think a tackle goes first, Yeah, I think an

601
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: offensive tackle and then Detroit. Then whoever doesn't go first,

602
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: Detroit probably takes Hutchinson with the second pick because Detroit

603
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: kind of needs to take Yeah. They I mean, they

604
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: just need talent on the roster right now. They're still

605
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: working through trying to build the foundation of their rebuild

606
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: right now. And Brad Holmes, he's a phenomenal talent evaluator.

607
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: He did a really good job and when he was

608
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: with LA and he was there with less need and

609
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: we saw what their first draft class was able to

610
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: do in some of the names that they had, and

611
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: that when they were able to get some production from

612
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: that too. So I think Aidan Hutchinson could be the

613
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: second overall pick. I think it's either between him or

614
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: kvon Thibado with that number two overall pick. So the

615
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: Titans pick at twenty six, it seems like of a year.

616
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: If there is a year to have a later draft pick,

617
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: this is one of the years to do it because

618
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: there's a tremendous amount of depth all over the place, right. Yeah,

619
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about this draft class. I

620
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: think with what the needs are for the Titans right now,

621
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: I think the strength of this draft class really aligns

622
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: will with that. Whether it's wide receiver or edge rusher.

623
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: I think both of those two are probably the biggest

624
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: needs for the Titans going into this draft. And we'll

625
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: see what they do at twenty six, but I think

626
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of possibilities that they could do. All right,

627
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: talk to me about your TV work and everything that's

628
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna kind of go on. Will we see you a

629
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: lot on ESPN leading up to the draft? Draft weekend?

630
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: How's it gonna go down? Yeah, So you will see me,

631
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: not this week, but leading up to the draft. You

632
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: will see me quite a bit. I can't release our

633
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: plans for the draft right now, but you will. He's

634
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: gonna tell everybody, so don't tell me. I can't keep

635
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: a secret. Yeah, you will see me quite a bit

636
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft. What does it mean to you? Oh,

637
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: it's huge, just because actually I didn't share this when

638
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: we first started. My nickname growing up was actually mister ESPN,

639
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: just because I sat in front of the TV ESPN

640
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: and whenever something came across the ticker, I would let

641
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: all of my friends know before it even before. Dude,

642
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: you're the dude who dreamed it and it's happening. Yeah,

643
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: that like you're gonna be giving a lot of Ted talks. Yeah,

644
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: tell me, it's got to feel remarkable. It doesn't. It does.

645
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: And it was a surreal moment for me just because

646
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: I have twin daughters and both of them they'll be

647
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: three years old and May and my wife actually taped

648
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: when I was on TV the other day and showed

649
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: it to him and they were saying, there's my dad

650
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: went a pop up on TV. So that was like

651
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: a surreal moment. Just seeing both of my daughters say

652
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: that on TV was a phenomenal moment. That's awesome. That

653
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: is tremendous. So you're gonna beat doing stuff with Malin

654
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: Todd mcshae. Yeah, yeah, we're all three. Yeah, So I'm

655
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to sit in between them, those guys

656
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: from killing each other. But yeah, me, Todd Mill and

657
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: then also Matt Miller, who was just brought back to

658
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: for ESPN. All four of us would be working and

659
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: collaborating together. This is really awesome stuff. We appreciate your

660
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: insight and thanks for sharing your story with us. I mean,

661
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: this is good stuff. This gives you faith in the business.

662
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: So good job, Jordan Reek, Thank you, absolutely, thank you

663
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: guys for having me as a president. I think Jordan

664
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Reid's gonna be a star. I think he's gonna be

665
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: a star in this space. If you're not following anybody Twitter,

666
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: if you're not reading his articles on ESPN, if you

667
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: love the draft, Jordan read is somebody you should keep

668
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: up with. And you could say, if you didn't already know,

669
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: you could say, well, I really got onto him first

670
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: here on the OTP, which is what you should be

671
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: saying anyway. All right, So everybody is already talking about

672
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: who is twenty twenty two's Cincinnati. Who is the team

673
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: that sort of comes from the back of the pack,

674
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily from four wins, but comes from the

675
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: back of the pack, has a great offseason and suddenly

676
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: is a big factor in twenty twenty two. I know

677
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: who I think it is. Who do you think it is? Well,

678
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to steal yours because I think mine

679
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: is the same as yours. And that's the Chargers. Here's

680
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: the thing about the Chargers. They got a quarterback, they

681
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: got a running back, they got a bunch of receivers,

682
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of draft picks, they have a

683
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: bunch of cap money. They'll have a second year coach.

684
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: They've got a schedule that is pretty conducive to what

685
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: they want to do now. They say it's tough. All

686
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: the ingredients are there, though, But we'd like to put

687
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: you onto things early. You the ot people. We will

688
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: be going to Los Angeles to see the Chargers this fall,

689
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Oh will we will? So. One of my favorite people

690
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: in the world, or at least the NFL world, is

691
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith. You know him from his radio show

692
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: in LA you know him from the NFL network. He

693
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: is the voice of the Chargers. He may be the

694
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: coolest man alive. He is very cool. He's exceptionally cool.

695
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith was kind enough to take time with

696
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: us on the OTP, and here is that conversation from

697
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: Indianapolis about the team on the rise to the Charger.

698
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: All right, money, you got the whole crew, You got

699
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: Rett Brian, you got Amy Wells, you got me. We're

700
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: talking to charge Archers nine and eight. Tough end of

701
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: the season, sure was, But what a ride the Chargers

702
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: had in twenty twenty one. So first thing I want

703
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: to ask, because you can ask. So I come from

704
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: the world of music before I got into sports. And

705
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times, if you were an

706
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: opening band, you know, the guy that's producing the show

707
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: for the headliner, maybe those drums aren't quite as loud,

708
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe that guitar ain't quite as crypt So with with

709
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: two play by play guys, is my mic on par

710
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: with yours? You're hey, listen, I ain't the one on

711
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: NFL network. Okay, I ain't the one to make sure

712
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not the one the big time radio show.

713
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm just a guy. Oh yeah, just a guy, that's all.

714
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: It was an exciting year. I think it's like anything,

715
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: right that the margins are so narrow, that so many

716
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: games and look this goes for wins too, you know,

717
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: to the scoring forty one points in the fourth quarter

718
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: between the two teams and the Browns and Chargers, that

719
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: ends up a win. Letting the Steelers come back into

720
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: that game, that ends up. But when the Bengals come back,

721
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, after the Chargers were up twenty four, twenty two,

722
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: and that so win. So for all the people that

723
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: are playing the oh, if it's just this one game,

724
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: it's I don't forget there's some wins in there. That

725
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: was just the character of the team. It was not

726
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: just peaks and valleys throughout the season, but in every

727
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: single regular season game, which you know, made it as

728
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: entertaining the season as I've ever called. Unfortunately, you know,

729
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: one more win would have been great, just to get

730
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: into the tournament. Brandon Staley has had such a fascinating career,

731
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: going from John Carroll University, working his way through the NFL,

732
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: and then finally getting the head job with the Chargers.

733
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: What has that experience been like for you working with him?

734
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: What have your interactions been like? With him? He's I

735
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: think what you see in the media is exactly what

736
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: you see behind the scenes. He's just very candid, engaging.

737
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: When you when you do games, you always have the

738
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: interview with the coach and typically when you're on the road.

739
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the night before because they got so much

740
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: going on the next day, and he'll just hang out,

741
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, He'll just kind of after we finish our

742
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: five minutes or seven minutes, whatever it's going to be,

743
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: we'll end up talking between the three of us with

744
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, who's the color guy in the broadcast, for

745
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: us half hour, just talking football or life for whatever.

746
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: He's very He's a very learned man. He consumes a

747
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: ton of books, is always talking about what he's reading,

748
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: and he doesn't put that out there to show off

749
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: or anything. It's just kind of if we ask a myrtle,

750
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: it'll naturally come up in conversations. So he's someone who

751
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I think has really he had this vision for himself.

752
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: This is where he was going to end up, and

753
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, whether it was through transfer end to

754
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: Mercy Hurst or coaching at John Carroll, like however he

755
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: needed to get to this point to be in one

756
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: of thirty two head coaches. He just he feels like

757
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: it was it was always in the cards for him

758
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: and he would eventually end up here. And I think

759
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: there is some of that confidence when you sit with

760
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: him as well. He's I really enjoy him. I really do.

761
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: He's a he's a bright football mind. I don't think

762
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: there's any question about that. But I think it's also look,

763
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: I think it's good for casual fans what Brandon does

764
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: in his pressers, and he doesn't I don't think he's

765
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: trying to talk over you with too much football jargon.

766
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: I think he just didn't choice kind of explaining, Hey,

767
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: this is how we play, this is what we want

768
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: to do, this is what's important to me, and I

769
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: think a lot of fans have really enjoyed it. Matt,

770
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: you spoke about the disappointment that how the Charger's season ended,

771
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: but the future is amazing for you guys. When you

772
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: look at it on paper, you have the franchise quarterback

773
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: in Justin Herbert, fifty million under the cap. You don't

774
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: have any super free agents that you're trying to hold

775
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: on to outside of maybe Mike Williams, who had a

776
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: career year. You guys have really set the table and

777
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: we'll get into the needs in a moment, but it's

778
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: really looking good for you guys in twenty twenty two

779
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: and beyond because you've got Justin Herbert and on a

780
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: rookie deal. Yeah, that's the key. It's you know, it's

781
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback league. And I think when you especially when

782
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: you look at the AFC red it's like, Okay, you

783
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: better have someone that can trade punches with Josh Allen,

784
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes, with Joe Burrow, or you better find someone,

785
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have that person. And I

786
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: think like Titans are unique because of the way you

787
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: play football. That's it reminds me of Stanford, you know,

788
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve and Jim Harbaugh first show up.

789
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they may not have granted they did

790
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: have that quarterback and Andrew Luck, but the point being,

791
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: it's just a different game. For the Chargers, I think

792
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: it is more similar. You know, you gotta get in

793
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: there and you gotta be able to score points. And

794
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question they're going to stay

795
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: committed to that. You know, on the offensive side in

796
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: free agency, I wouldn't be surprised if they use, you know,

797
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: a high pick on an offensive tackle to try to

798
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: just solidify the right side of that line. You can't

799
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: have kind of leaks like they did last year. And

800
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: a lot of that obviously was injury related in attrition.

801
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I think you're absolutely right. When you

802
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: have the quarterback, when you have him on a rookie deal,

803
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: you can afford to spend money elsewhere. And that means

804
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: Drwin James is going to become the highest paid safety

805
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: and he's going to get paid like a corner this offseason,

806
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Mike Williams will be interesting. They're very excited about Josh Palmer,

807
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: and you know what he was able to do when

808
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: when Keenan went down. So I don't know if that's

809
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: a franchise tag, if if it is a team friendly,

810
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: long term deal, but it is hard to tie up

811
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: that much money in that position when you already have

812
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Keenan on you know, a top five wide receiver salary. Now,

813
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: just Sin Herbert, I mean, we've got to talk about

814
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: the success that he's had in such a short career.

815
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: He had thirty eight touchdowns, over five thousand passing yards,

816
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: over four hundred completions, and had a Pro Bowl season.

817
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: Are you surprised that he has had that success so

818
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: quickly or is this exactly what he was supposed to do? Yeah, Amy,

819
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I am surprised, and it's probably because

820
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: I had too much information living on the West Coast

821
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: and watching Pack twelve games and watching him play at Oregon.

822
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: Look not to take a shot at Mario Crystal Ball.

823
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: But he just didn't use him right, you know. And

824
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: that's the way that coach wanted to play football. You know.

825
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: They wanted to run the ball, they wanted to doing

826
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: sure they did not turn the ball over, lean on

827
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: their defense. And he just never let him cut it loose.

828
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: And so I think you could tell by the way

829
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: he played in college that that was the directive, under

830
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: no circumstances are you to turn over the ball, And

831
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: that led to a lot of aiming. His passes never

832
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: quite cut a loose. And it was actually here, I

833
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: was standing on the field when he was going through

834
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: his throwing workout, and I can't remember who it was.

835
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: It might have been Napper actually, sadly to say, because

836
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: we just lost him that that just kind of said, hey, dude,

837
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: cut it loose, man, You've got the best arm here.

838
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden he put on a show

839
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: and it's like there, it is like that's what you

840
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: were waiting for, is someone who was going to cut

841
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: it loose and throw it all over the place, and

842
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: I think once he got in to the game, you know,

843
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: that second week, as strange as the circumstances were, you know,

844
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: I credit Shane Steiken and coach Lynn for just letting

845
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: him cut it loose, like, hey, dude, you're rookie and

846
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: we've got Joey bos on defense, we got this talented defense,

847
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: but let's just let's get after it. Let's use your tools.

848
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's really led to the rest

849
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: of the league seeing, Wow, this guy's in the conversation,

850
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: is perhaps the most talented quarterback in the league in

851
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: terms of the full complement of athleticism, being able to escape,

852
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: being able to run while also just churning through progressions

853
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: at break neck speed and finding that open manage just

854
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: with a flick of a risk, you can get some

855
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: serious velocity on those passes. Interesting as well that I

856
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: have a friend out on the West Coast who told

857
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: me that personality wise, they had questions if he could

858
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: do that job. And it sounds as if he's almost

859
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: been allowed to cut his personality loose too once he

860
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: left Oregon and went to the Chargers. Is there something

861
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: to that? I think so it's you know he grew

862
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: up in Eugene, you know, he stayed in Eugene. I

863
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: think that I think it meant so much to him,

864
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, to me, that's someone when you I think

865
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: when people if they aren't familiar with college towns and

866
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: just how much a team means to the entire area.

867
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: That's what Eugene, Oregon is, you know. And so I

868
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: almost wonder if the pressure was just so incredible that

869
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: you can't quite cut it loose. You don't want to

870
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: be seen as I don't flippant's not the right word,

871
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: but maybe just a little too care free. And I'm

872
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: having this good time though. This is important to me

873
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: because I know it's important to you, and I think

874
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: once he got down here, you know, he's able to

875
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: you know. And I think a lot of it has

876
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: to do with your connections that you make so much

877
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: as circumstance based, right, And I think he just had

878
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: a really good group. But guys around him in his

879
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: draft class, he and gave neighbors the fullback hit it

880
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: off immediately and it's a pretty fun group. You know.

881
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: Joey bos has got this super just super quick dry

882
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: wit to him. And I think you start you know,

883
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: playing a little playing around with one another, and you

884
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: can open up a little bit. And I think we're

885
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: seeing that. You know, you see his Instagram and he's

886
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: always golfing with guys on the team. Just got a

887
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: hole in one and they're all freaking out. I think,

888
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: you know the victory brisket that he smokes on his

889
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: tragger grill and he cuts up and takes to all

890
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: his teammates after wins, Like, I think you're starting to

891
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: see him get more comfortable one hundred percent, And that

892
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: wasn't concern for people come out. Is he too quiet?

893
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Is he a leader? And I'll tell you just to

894
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: kind of make a long answer longer. I think the

895
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: quiet sort of humility just has gone such a long

896
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: way with his teammates, Like it seems like they're constantly

897
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: celebrating his plays. Instead of him being the guy that's

898
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: fist pumping after a touchdown, they're the ones that are

899
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: coming over to him trying to get him to celebrate

900
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more and congratulate himself or you know,

901
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: a job well done, which is just very reluctant to do. Matt.

902
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: You guys playing in that AFC Wild Wild West, you

903
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: talked about keeping up with the Joneses or the Mahomes.

904
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: In this case, third down is a problem with you guys.

905
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: You anticipate seeing pass, rusher, run, stuffer, those kinds of

906
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: things to go with Bosa and the crew. Yeah, right.

907
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: I think third down was a problem because first and

908
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: second down were such a problem. You know, it was

909
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: in a lot of third and nates and third and

910
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: twelves that they were given up. It was third and

911
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: twos and third and threes because they were just getting

912
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: gashed horribly in the middle for stretches there. And I

913
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: think it's you know, it's kind of it compounds itself, right,

914
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: If you're stout up front, then maybe you can get

915
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: away with it on the backside a little bit. I

916
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: like our you know, I don't think there's any question

917
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: that they love the safeties Atterlee really took a step

918
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: last year if Darwin, you know, is a freak. But

919
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: I think they're probably looking to get a little bit

920
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: bigger at corner, find another big corner that can play outside.

921
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's as good as Asante Samuel

922
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: was last year. I think I just don't know if

923
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: he's quite big enough to handle you know, he had

924
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: two big injuries last year, and it was from taking

925
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: on big running backs and taking big hits. Both ended

926
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: in concussions. So i'd imagine that maybe what they address

927
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: with number seventeen, I could see him address an edge.

928
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned that that Chenna's gonna I'll be

929
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: floorida Chenna doesn't get a huge deal off, you know,

930
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: huge offer from teams. He's just too young and too good.

931
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: I know the sacked numbers weren't high, but the pressures are,

932
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: the hits are. He's a great guy and he's twenty five,

933
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: so they may have to replace him opposite Bosa. No question,

934
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to remake the interior or the line.

935
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: As good as Lynvall Joseph was, he's you know, he's

936
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: just a little bit older. Jerry Tillery was a bit

937
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: of an issue inside and slowing down the run. They

938
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: need to get a little bit thicker in that area.

939
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised if if they find someone,

940
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, early, if someone's there in the draft at

941
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: seventeen or in the second round, or it seems like

942
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: there's some free agents free agent options out there too,

943
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: to address the inside of the line. But that's that's

944
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: definitely something you know. I think interior tackle probably get

945
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: that they have good lineback They just gotta figure out

946
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: what to do with their linebackers. You know. I think

947
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: it because they played a ton of nickel. You have

948
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: two out there, and it seemed like the best combination

949
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: was Kaisier and Drew Trankle. I don't know if Kaisier

950
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: is going to get resigned or not, even with all

951
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: the tackle numbers. So they do have a lot of

952
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: questions to answer and there's a lot of ways they

953
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: can do but go. But I think instead of just

954
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: identifying it as a position, I think it's more how

955
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: do we stop this from happening? How do we stop

956
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: first and ten from becoming second and four? So whether

957
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: is that on the back end? Is it with bigger corners,

958
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: it with different linebackers, is it with tackles. I think

959
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: that's probably what they're going to have to sort out.

960
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler is I think the AFC's answered d Alvin

961
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Kamara for what I mean, over fifteen hundred total yards,

962
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns. Can he keep it up? So Austin's like

963
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: the only thing in Austin's way from keeping it up

964
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: is Austin he won't go down like he just does

965
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: not go down on first contact. He'll get hit three

966
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: yards behind the line of scrimmage and it's a one

967
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: yard game. He never gets dropped on first contact. So

968
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I think he ends up taken more hits, you know,

969
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: than he should, because that's just the style the back

970
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: he is. He's so incredibly strong. They need they need

971
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: a back to help him out. They've tried, you know.

972
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: They swung it Josh Kelly two years ago in the

973
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: fourth round. They swung it Larry Roundtree last year. I

974
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: don't think either of those quite neither of those guys

975
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: was able to raise his hand. Justin Jackson's been great.

976
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: He's just been hurt. He can't stay healthy, which is

977
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: weird because he never missed a snap at Northwestern his

978
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: entire career. So for whatever reason, he's not been able

979
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: to stay on the field. If he were like if

980
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: Justin had been healthy this entire four years that he's

981
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: been with the team, I don't think there's any question

982
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: that they would have been a lot more productive on

983
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: that front. So I would be very surprised if they

984
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't try to figure that out in the draft again,

985
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: I think they'll take another swing at a back to

986
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: help him out, because that's how he's going to be

987
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: more effective, you know. And even I think even for

988
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: him being in Alpha as he is, and like you said,

989
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: being in Alvin Kamara time, when we look at the

990
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: touchdown numbers, my goodness, twenty plus touchdowns is crazy. So

991
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: I think he even said, though, we got to get

992
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: somebody out, We got to get another guy to help

993
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: carry the loads. So I think he recognizes that he

994
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: was taking a bit of a beating and he knows

995
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: it just it probably can't happen again this year. They

996
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: got to try to cut down on his touches to

997
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: keep him effective. Everybody has tried to come up with

998
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: who is next year's Cincinnati, And obviously nine wins is

999
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: more than four wins, but the Chargers sure do makes

1000
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: sense in terms of that formula. If you add another

1001
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: top flight receiver, or if Josh Palmer Air Canada himself

1002
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: continues to step up, and if you if you do

1003
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: what the Titans did on defense, and that spend a

1004
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: bunch of money. The Titans third down defense was awful

1005
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and improved by fifteen percent in twenty

1006
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: twenty one. I mean, you can see this, right, I can,

1007
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: I absolutely can, And then I can also see a

1008
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: pretty perilous path. I mean, it's it's a gnarly schedule

1009
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: next year, as you know, you know, you're on the schedule.

1010
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: So we got one tea. Yeah, it's it's that. It's

1011
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of one thing that I pointed. I was like, yeah,

1012
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: it's a third place schedule, but the third place schedule

1013
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: did them no favors. I think Atlanta's gonna end up

1014
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: maybe winning the NFC South that, you know, unless things

1015
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of shake up at quarterback here. But I could

1016
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: see maybe a bit of an exodus for the Bucks.

1017
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's just what people forget is sometimes

1018
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you catch a break and sometimes you don't. You know,

1019
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: they had a second place schedule last year and they

1020
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: end up getting the Vikings, you know, and it's just

1021
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: like it gets tough. So yeah, I can see it,

1022
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: but I also know how hard it's going to be,

1023
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: especially when you got to play the Chiefs twice, the

1024
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: Raiders twice. That Broncos defense is nasty. Who knows what's

1025
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: going to happen with their quarterback position. If they drop

1026
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: a quarterback in there, that's as good a group of

1027
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: skill players as there is in the league. So it

1028
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: could happen, but it won't. And look, it wasn't easy

1029
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. You know, It's like that was a

1030
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: tough division. I think the Browns were the most talented

1031
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: team in the division. They obviously caught a break with

1032
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: attrition to the Ravens. The Steelers were still great on defense. Like,

1033
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: it's never a see you know, it's never easy. So

1034
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they catch a break this year and

1035
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: next year or I guess it is technically this year

1036
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and they end up going you know,

1037
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: ten and seven, eleven and six instead of nine and

1038
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: eight and having a couple more of those breaks go there. Okay,

1039
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: I'll get the final question. When do you sleep? Seriously?

1040
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean you're still doing the radio show rightes, Yeah,

1041
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: I'll be doing the show again. And then how many

1042
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: days a week are you doing on NFL network depends? Like, right,

1043
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: this is a busy week obviously, you know I'll be

1044
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: doing four days here starting tomorrow. Um, So the NFL

1045
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: network scheduled dials back in the in the off season.

1046
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: They're pretty good to me that way. You know, they

1047
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of hammer me in the in the season and

1048
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: then you got more gigs than I mean, Ryan, there

1049
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: you go. Uh you know what it is, Mike. I

1050
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: never say no because I know one day they're gonna say,

1051
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: so I'll keep saying yes until they stop asking because

1052
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: I know they're gonna stop sooner or later. And Food

1053
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: they haven't. They haven't yet. They haven't, they have not yet.

1054
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: But I'm stupid enough that I'll step in it and

1055
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: I'll get fired from all of them. I'll figure it

1056
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: out after that, But for now, I'm having a great time.

1057
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: Money Smith. I mean, if your nickname's money, you just

1058
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: gotta be cool. Yeah. No, And having the nickname money

1059
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: is like really cool. Having the nickname money in LA

1060
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: is cooler. Like I mean, people call you money in

1061
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Speaker 1: a moneys where a lot of people have money, a

1062
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: lot of money. Yea, Yeah, good stuff. It's pretty cool.

1063
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Speaker 1: Glad to be back. It feels good to be home.

1064
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: It does. Yes. We'll have another OTP later this week

1065
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Speaker 1: and we'll play Cynthia Freedland. We promise, can't wait. Well,

1066
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: she's she's really great. Thank you for all the otpques.

1067
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: Thank you to the ot people for listening. Thank you

1068
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: so much to Farm Bureau Health Plans for sponsoring this.

1069
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: Thank you to Ashley Farrell especially, and to Rep. Brian

1070
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: and to Jack mumb coach Dave McGinnis for helping us

1071
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: do seven podcasts in a week. Holy smoke, it's a lot.

1072
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Speaker 1: It is a lot, but it's all all stuff that

1073
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Speaker 1: we just couldn't not share, right, We had to share it.

1074
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: We had to share it. Cool. Well, just a lot

1075
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: of great conversations. We're certainly going to talk about more

1076
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: about the draft process as we go forward pro days

1077
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: at different colleges visits. There's a lot to come in

1078
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: free agency with that process beginning in less than a

1079
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: week now, so much more football to discuss on the

1080
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Speaker 1: OTP coming up again, presented by our friends at Farm

1081
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Speaker 1: Bureau Health Plans. So you're gonna be okay over the

1082
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Speaker 1: whole Indianapolis thing, Well, I think it's it worse now

1083
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: that you know they've got a shot, when before we

1084
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: left you thought they had no shot. No. I almost

1085
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: like it more. I like the glimmer of hope. And

1086
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: I also feel like I adequately absorbed my experience in

1087
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: the event than it was the last time. So it's

1088
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: and I can't lose in this situation. I really made

1089
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: the most of my last time there. If that's the case,

1090
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: and if not, it's a bonus trip. I feel good

1091
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: about it either way. And you get glad that you

1092
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: get hung up on some stuff, well, I just I

1093
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: get a little nostalgic. Seriously, I've been too going to Indianapolis. Yeah, yeah,

1094
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a big part of my career.

1095
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: And going to Indeed for the combine was like a

1096
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: big deal for a city in the Midwest. Is a

1097
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: big part of your career? Okay, the Midwest is cool.

1098
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Speaker 1: I didn't say let's not. I didn't say it was yeah,

1099
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't like your vocal inflection. The Midwest is cool,

1100
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: and it was. It was just it was a big

1101
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: NFL thing when I went to the first one in

1102
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, was my first combine, and it felt like

1103
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: a very big deal. And I've since been too many more.

1104
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Speaker 1: And I like the stability. I like that I know

1105
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting into. I like that nothing changes. I

1106
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: like that what a nice comment about their city. Nothing changes,

1107
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: nothing changes, It's nice. I like sure they appreciate that

1108
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: up shoot. I live in Nashville, where everything, everything changes

1109
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: every day, where they ought to have to combine. Right here.

1110
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Speaker 1: I think, right here we should host the combine right

1111
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Speaker 1: here for Amy Wells. I might key thank you for

1112
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: listening to the ode. T you welcome to the Big

1113
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: Show where the legends go. Everybody knows it's our house,

1114
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Speaker 1: fighting thought Tennessee makings Tore Greatness is to be