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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Saturday, January twenty fourth, and what a day

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Speaker 2: it was yesterday in the ou pair of Fair murder trial.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't the day we expected.

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Speaker 2: It was full of objections, it was full of damning testimony,

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Speaker 2: and it was full of moments that the judge had

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Speaker 2: to smack the hand of the defense.

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Speaker 1: For their behavior. And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of amy. And TJ.

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Speaker 2: Roat I said, it wasn't the day we were expecting

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Speaker 2: because the judge desperately wanted testimony to be over on

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Speaker 2: Friday yesterday, and Brendan Banfield is going to testify in

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Speaker 2: his own defense.

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Speaker 1: He ain't getting nowhere close to that.

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Speaker 3: Standards, not even close.

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Speaker 4: It felt like a race against the clock, against the

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Speaker 4: storm that is now the talk of everyone, obviously even

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Speaker 4: still Today's so many millions and millions of Americans are

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Speaker 4: bracing for this huge swath of ice and snow and

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Speaker 3: And that was very much on the mind of the.

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Speaker 4: Judge and the jury there in that Fairfax County courtroom,

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Speaker 4: and so it actually felt like the pacing.

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Speaker 3: I was feeling stressed and anxious.

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Speaker 4: As the judge was trying to hurry everyone along, and

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Speaker 4: it is everyone one guy, yeah, the defense attorney. But

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Speaker 4: the point is this, Brendan Banfield's life is on the

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Speaker 4: line and they're actually getting somewhere now. The defense is

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Speaker 4: actually scoring some major, major points to the point where

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Speaker 4: now my head is spinning about what I think the

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Speaker 4: jury is going to do based on what we've already

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Speaker 4: heard and we still have yet to hear from Brendan

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Speaker 4: Banfield himself, which is going to be.

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Speaker 2: Remarkable, which is something we never He's close to saying never,

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Speaker 2: but just and certainly in a homicide case, you do

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Speaker 2: not see the defendant get up on the stand. So

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Speaker 2: that is what we are anticipating, and we do anticipate

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Speaker 2: him being the final person to take the stand in

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Speaker 2: this trial. But we were expecting possible that was to

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Speaker 2: happen yesterday that did not happen. What did happen yesterday

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Speaker 2: in this trial the old pair affair trial when Brendan

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Speaker 2: Banfield of Fairfax County, Virginia is accused of killing his

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Speaker 2: wife and another man did this based on a whole

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Speaker 2: plan that he and his old pair put together, an

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Speaker 2: old pair that he was in a relationship with. What

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Speaker 2: they had this whole plan to lure this other man

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Speaker 2: through a fake fet life fetish website to the house,

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Speaker 2: kill the wife, and then frame this man for it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're all caught up there. So Robes yesterday was when

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Speaker 2: we started watching. We said, Okay, when are they going

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Speaker 2: to get to Brendan Banfield. He's coming up today because

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Speaker 2: the judge wants this to end, because this storm is

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Speaker 2: on the way.

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Speaker 1: We're in the midst of it.

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Speaker 2: We are now Robes ended trial yesterday, not knowing when

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Speaker 2: trial is going to start again. They're anticipating maybe being

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Speaker 2: out for five days.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the judge very much said, look, if.

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Speaker 3: The county is shut down, we are shut down.

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Speaker 4: And look, having lived in DC for several years, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much much they've improved their snow

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Speaker 4: kind of being surprised at how terrible it was. So

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Speaker 4: she's anticipating a heck of a mess because this storm

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Speaker 3: I think in the mid Atlantic it's tomorrow as well.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's Sunday and to Monday, so very unlikely court

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Speaker 4: at least a three day delay, could be a four

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Speaker 3: A five day delay.

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Speaker 4: And some legal analysts are saying, Hey, the jury doesn't

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Speaker 4: and it actually ended in a total mess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the defense doesn't mind having a couple extra days,

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Speaker 2: Maybe the defense doesn't mind their case being stopped the

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Speaker 2: way it did. But this was a disjointed defense day.

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Speaker 2: You had I think at least three people that testified.

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Speaker 2: And then somebody testified remotely that they had to interrupt

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Speaker 4: Yeah, have you ever seen a judge, I mean, she

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Speaker 2: It was fairly jarring, but it lets us know just

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Speaker 2: how serious of a situation. She thinks, this storm, Well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she said, this is so.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the weather is playing a serious factor now, Ropes,

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Speaker 2: we talked about what happened yesterday with the defense. They

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Speaker 2: They haven't landed their plane yet, but you at least

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Speaker 1: The what is their airport destination?

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Speaker 2: Because I didn't know if they were going to Seattle

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Speaker 1: It looks like we're getting close ropes to what they're

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Speaker 4: It is fascinating to watch the process play out, how

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just NonStop.

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Speaker 4: However, we were able to piece together hopefully the jury did.

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Speaker 4: But look, the defense had not won, but two members

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Speaker 4: of the Fairfax Countyful Detectives where they were in charge

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Speaker 4: what was really of note in the afternoon and this

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Speaker 4: while Brendan and the A pair, according to their devices locations,

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Speaker 2: You had to listen, Yes, you had to listen very closely,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure the jurors are to pick up those points.

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Speaker 2: It was so disjointed. There was no flow to how

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Speaker 2: to the point of all those objections.

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Speaker 1: It was hard. So why it was like watching a.

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Speaker 2: Bad football game with a bunch of penalties, like you

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Speaker 2: that was going, but the information was clear, and I said,

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Speaker 2: finally we got a Perry Mason moment when you have

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Speaker 2: the lead forensics investigator who was sitting up there saying,

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Speaker 1: That was the Marissa Tomay and my cousin Vinny shit.

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Speaker 4: And if that's the case, and that was their theory

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Speaker 3: The entire case is blown to bits.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, you make a good point. Not just about

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Speaker 2: and think there's some kind of OJ type investigation where

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Speaker 1: Don't like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the other problem, so the defense was having it

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Speaker 3: A terrible day as an attorney.

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Speaker 4: There is one point where the judge was getting so frustrated.

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Speaker 4: She said everything short of get your shit together, John Carroll,

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Speaker 4: Like that is basically what she said to him. She said,

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Speaker 4: that was making him get all disjointed and befuddled.

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Speaker 2: Are you befuddled if the exhibit number is ninety seven

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Speaker 2: and you say ninety six, right, this happened, If it

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Speaker 3: You were laughing at what It was absurd.

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Speaker 2: You could just predict, all right, And this is exhibit

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Speaker 2: number seventeen, you mean eighteen.

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Speaker 1: It was constant.

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Speaker 3: Even the prosecution was correct.

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Speaker 1: It was correct. It was embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: It was This wasn't a good moment for him because

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Speaker 2: matter of just performance and being efficient, being good at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So she was like, take your time now that

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Speaker 4: we have to stop testimony and pause because of this weather.

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Speaker 4: Please take these days to get your evidence in or

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Speaker 4: and let's not let this happen again.

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Speaker 2: Didn't she make clear it didn't sound like she's going

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Speaker 2: to be as tolerant. She has given him a warning.

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Speaker 2: You just cost us a day in court, so hard

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Speaker 2: he cost YEP a lot of times.

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Speaker 4: Because now I'm actually confused when court does come back

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Speaker 4: But then when the prosecution said that they didn't have

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Speaker 4: it was like, I don't even know what's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: But here's the bottom line that we got, folks. These

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Speaker 2: Looks bad. All Right, stay with us here, folks. We

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Speaker 2: Given an update on what we thought, well, we might

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody got this wrong in anticipation of where we

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Speaker 4: We oh, we were so excited. We actually found a

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Speaker 3: Got on the couch, pop some popcorn, like, we are

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Speaker 4: This is going to be amazing, And it was everywhere

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we still have at least two more witnesses to

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Speaker 1: But then you told me the prosecution is going to

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Speaker 2: So the central part of the case is that someone

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Speaker 2: did that. These forensics experts are saying they have evidence

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, the case is over.

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Speaker 4: And that was what these digital forensics guys were testifying to, like,

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Speaker 4: it definitely casts enough reasonable doubt as to who was

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Speaker 4: Right now, I am in that even though I think that,

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Speaker 4: But I'm confused now, and now I'm not sure what

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Speaker 4: Life, and he's going to counter what the copair said.

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Speaker 4: So either you believe the old pairs, where you believe.

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Speaker 3: Brendan, it's here.

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Speaker 2: If this is it, this case is a here sheet,

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Speaker 4: The evidence is so confusing, and honestly, I feel like

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Speaker 4: you believe Brendan. I cannot wait for this testimony. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we say we can't wait for the testimony, and

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Speaker 2: we do not know how long we might be waiting. Folks,

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