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Speaker 2: The Packers lost Christian Watson for the playoffs. Now I'm
Speaker 2: watching this game, and I'm watching this in real time,
Speaker 2: and you can tell when somebody gets hurt and they
Speaker 2: know they're hurt, and it's not just hey, I got
Speaker 2: banged up, it's this is serious. And you solved his
Speaker 2: reaction and then I knew. I said, he probably tours
Speaker 2: acl and that's what it turned out to be. This
Speaker 2: is one of those Wow, to me, people aren't talking
Speaker 2: about the Packers. The Packers have a good defense, they
Speaker 2: can run. You got Jordan Love. Now you lose watching
Speaker 2: that's a big loss, big loss, and it's probably being
Speaker 2: underplayed here. But I think everybody's been focused, certainly on
Speaker 2: the Lions, and I'm looking at point spreads, So DraftKings
Speaker 2: sent me some point spreads. These are hypothetical matchups. The
Speaker 2: Vikings would get three and a half against the Lions.
Speaker 2: In a rematch, the Rams would get six and a
Speaker 2: half against the Lions. The Packers would get three and
Speaker 2: a half against the Lions. The Ravens would get one
Speaker 2: against the Bills. The Vikings would get four against the Eagles.
Speaker 2: Chargers four and a half against the Chiefs, Texans get
Speaker 2: seven against the Chiefs, and the Buccaneers would get six
Speaker 2: and a half if they face the Eagles. The Eagles
Speaker 2: situation is also something interesting. This is being under sold
Speaker 2: as well, and that's Jalen Hurts. He's been in concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was all, for sake one Barclay
Speaker 2: not playing in that last game. Would I'd like to
Speaker 2: see him break the record. Sure, but you have to
Speaker 2: have a bigger goal than an individual goal, and you
Speaker 2: can't say, well, you can get hurt in every game.
Speaker 2: You can't get hurt in a game you don't play in.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure my quarterbacks in concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: Is he going to be available to play? I don't
Speaker 2: know that. But here's Nick Siriani being very evasive about
Speaker 2: the health of his quarterback.
Speaker 1: As you put the game plan together, is it with
Speaker 1: the intention of Jaelling is the starting quarterback this weekend?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have no new information for you guys.
Speaker 3: Like I said yesterday, I was progressing through the protocol.
Speaker 2: Are you able to say if he's in the building today?
Speaker 2: I got no new info for you guys here today.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Wait, you can't confirm he's in the building. Yikes,
Speaker 2: where's shifty when you need him somebody outside spying on
Speaker 2: a grassy knoll to see if it is that hurts? Yes,
Speaker 2: what is the huge benefit to holding back that bombshell
Speaker 2: information unless he's not in the building and that he's
Speaker 2: at a hospital or wherever you go for concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: I think what Nick has done is he's made it worse.
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you if he's in the building
Speaker 2: or not now all of a sudden, I'm really curious.
Speaker 2: But this is Nick Sirianni, who doesn't handle the media
Speaker 2: very well. And in this situation, you know, if he's there,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with saying that he's not here today.
Speaker 2: We expect him tomorrow. Like you can move around these things.
Speaker 2: Sometimes these coaches try not to tell you something while
Speaker 2: in the process really telling you something. All right, poll
Speaker 2: question to start out first down? Or is going to
Speaker 2: be what seeden most attractive opening? Right now? Wow, Bear's Jaguars, Jets,
Speaker 2: Patriots sings. Okay, By the way, I had a source say, hey,
Speaker 2: keep an eye out on the Colts Monday. They may
Speaker 2: be blowing this thing up. Well, they didn't. They brought
Speaker 2: back their coach and GM, but they fired their defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: Gus Bradley. I don't know if that's really detonating anything here,
Speaker 2: but somebody had to pay the price, so Gus Bradley
Speaker 2: was fired with the Colts. But the Jalen Hurt situation
Speaker 2: that bears watching here practice coming up tomorrow will certainly
Speaker 2: get a better indication if Kenny Pickett is going to
Speaker 2: be the answer. You don't like the question if you're
Speaker 2: a Philadelphia Eagle fan. North Dakota State they won the
Speaker 2: FCS title. The Bison they win again. I think that's
Speaker 2: ten national championships, and we were thinking, if you win
Speaker 2: the national championship in FCS, can we schedule something where
Speaker 2: you get to play the team that wins the national championship.
Speaker 2: Let's say Ohio State wins and Week zero you get
Speaker 2: North Dakota State against Ohio State. Now, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be on a neutral site because Ohio State wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that, but you get North Dakota State. Big moment. Now, granted,
Speaker 2: the team that won the national championship won't be the
Speaker 2: team that takes the field next year. That could be
Speaker 2: a problem, but that'd be nice, because I'm all for relegation.
Speaker 2: I think that would be awesome if we eventually get
Speaker 2: to my playoff picture, my landscape for college football, which
Speaker 2: maybe the top fifty schools, maybe sixty, split them up
Speaker 2: in divisions, and you have an NFL style model. But
Speaker 2: could you have that last day, that last game, those
Speaker 2: last games where they mean something where you better win
Speaker 2: or you're going to FCS or if you win, you're
Speaker 2: going up to FBS. You get to play, and the
Speaker 2: money is going to be a lot more. I think
Speaker 2: it would be fun to watch that. I don't know
Speaker 2: how practical it is, but I think if you had that,
Speaker 2: just like with the Premier League, like sometimes you'll have
Speaker 2: those last days where you're like, uh oh score differential,
Speaker 2: gold differential, Oh my goodness, we're in trouble. Now you're
Speaker 2: going to be relegated. No, not the R word, You're
Speaker 2: relegated eight seven seven to three. DP show email address
Speaker 2: DP at danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle it DP show
Speaker 2: operator Tyler sitting by Yes Paul based off that.
Speaker 4: North Dakota State would be promoted to maybe the Big twelve,
Speaker 4: and unfortunately this year Kent State would drop down to
Speaker 4: FCS Kent State one NOBA.
Speaker 2: I think Kent State probably should be relegated, even though
Speaker 2: there's no relegation. They lost every game, but I think
Speaker 2: over thirty points like they weren't even they like winning
Speaker 2: was a rumor for them. Maybe not even a rumor
Speaker 2: for that. All right, let's see a couple other things here,
Speaker 2: some facts that you might be interested in. Bo Nicks
Speaker 2: is twenty four years, three hundred twenty two days, and
Speaker 2: that will be on Sunday. That's how old he will be,
Speaker 2: the second oldest rookie quarterback to start an NFL playing
Speaker 2: playoff game. I could give you a hundred gains. I'd
Speaker 2: give you a thousand guesses. You aren't going to guess
Speaker 2: the oldest rookie to start a playoff game in NFL history.
Speaker 2: It did happen in twenty twenty two. If that's a
Speaker 2: hint for you, I'll give you his college, which would
Speaker 2: probably give it away. I believe he played at Kansas State,
Speaker 2: and he takers here, Michael Bishop with Marvin you were
Speaker 2: going there, weren't I sure was Skuyler Thompson, Paul Tooley.
Speaker 2: Just like Stat of the Day, Sat of the Day,
Speaker 2: that past oat of the day stat of the day.
Speaker 2: Here comes that what stand out of the day. Well,
Speaker 2: all right, so the best opening, wes Devin mccordy. About that,
Speaker 2: with the openings that we had, you had Robert Kraft.
Speaker 2: I can't say this was a press conference. It was
Speaker 2: just he addressed the media yesterday and he kind of
Speaker 2: fell on the sword where he fired Drod Mail after
Speaker 2: one year.
Speaker 5: This whole situation is on me. I feel terrible for
Speaker 5: Girard because I put him in an untenable situation. It
Speaker 5: was very hard because the personal relationship I feel for
Speaker 5: Girard and the human being he is, and I felt
Speaker 5: guilty I put him in that position.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, you did. You know, everybody's a genius when
Speaker 2: you got Belichick and Brady, and then when you only
Speaker 2: have one, not everybody's a genius, including the genius. And
Speaker 2: then when you don't have either, then it falls back
Speaker 2: to who's running this team. And the Crafts have been
Speaker 2: running this team, not Bill Belichick the last five years
Speaker 2: and maybe longer. Okay, you have Gerrod Mayo who is
Speaker 2: a coach in waiting. Now. Belichick didn't know apparently that
Speaker 2: they had already put this in his contract that he
Speaker 2: was going to be the coach in waiting. That's the
Speaker 2: first problem. You have to let Bill know because and
Speaker 2: Bill may say, hey, then I don't want to be
Speaker 2: around and you may have to eat that one. But
Speaker 2: you can't do that to Belichick. Where you go, We're
Speaker 2: going to put this in the language in your contract.
Speaker 2: You're the coach in waiting, and then tell me that
Speaker 2: after five years being the coach in waiting, he's not
Speaker 2: ready to be the coach after waiting five years. See,
Speaker 2: that's embarrassing. Now. I think what this came down to
Speaker 2: was not necessarily the performance on the field as much
Speaker 2: as maybe handling yourself as a head coach. And I
Speaker 2: think Drodmeyo failed with those responsibilities because I think he
Speaker 2: wanted to be the antithesis of Bill Belichick. When he
Speaker 2: went to a press conference, he was actually going to
Speaker 2: say something. Maybe he was a little more confrontational with
Speaker 2: his players, not that far removed from being a player himself,
Speaker 2: and I don't think he handled himself the way maybe
Speaker 2: the Crafts wanted him to handle himself as a head coach.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they expected. Because you didn't spend
Speaker 2: any money, you have a quarterback, you kind of have
Speaker 2: a running back. You were supposed to have a really
Speaker 2: good defense. The last part of last season, you were
Speaker 2: one of the better defenses in the NFL. Now you're
Speaker 2: going to bring in who Brian Flores, You're going to
Speaker 2: bring in Mike Rabel, Ben Johnson. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if you make that move unless you know, like what
Speaker 2: if they whiff on Vrabel Ben Johnson. Let's say Brian
Speaker 2: Floor is the defensive coordinator with the Vikings. Now what
Speaker 2: are you going to bring in another inexperienced head coaching candidate,
Speaker 2: Like you can't whiff Like they have to get their person.
Speaker 2: They have to get Mike Rabel. It feels like Ben Johnson,
Speaker 2: we don't know. As I've said many many times, not
Speaker 2: every coordinator should be a head coach. Ben Johnson has
Speaker 2: done a wonderful job in Detroit. I don't know. Once again,
Speaker 2: you can be great at your job, but there are
Speaker 2: other jobs that go with that. How do you handle
Speaker 2: press conferences? It's really important. Is Pete Carroll going to
Speaker 2: get a shot? It feels like there's some momentum that
Speaker 2: maybe he gets a shot. I don't know why. Now
Speaker 2: he's been available over the last couple of years. It's
Speaker 2: one of the that it's like, you know, you find
Speaker 2: out that some girls available and you didn't know she
Speaker 2: was available, and you're like, well, what happened? I didn't
Speaker 2: know that Pam Anderson's available? Well maybe Pete Carroll is
Speaker 2: the Pam Anderson of the NFL. Nice, you know he's available. Okay,
Speaker 2: And the Patriots got cap room. They have I think
Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars. Why weren't they spending that before?
Speaker 2: If you're not going to spend it now, that'd be
Speaker 2: my first question. If I'm going to be Mike Brabel
Speaker 2: and I walk in and go, why do we have
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars that we didn't spend? Can we
Speaker 2: can we buy a receiver? Can we can we buy
Speaker 2: offensive line? Can we buy a running Could we have
Speaker 2: gotten Saquon Barkley? Like, I don't know. You just asked questions.
Speaker 2: Where why are you stockpiling all this money? Are we
Speaker 2: going to spend this money now? I'm interested in the job.
Speaker 2: If not, why would you take that job? Yes, you
Speaker 2: got Drake May, but you need more than Drake May.
Speaker 2: You're gonna win four or five six games? Okay, that's
Speaker 2: not the Patriot. The Patriot way is done. Okay, the
Speaker 2: Patriot way was Belichick and Brady. Let's be honest here,
Speaker 2: it's not the Crafts, it's Belichick and Brady. Because once
Speaker 2: the Emperor has no clothes, it's pretty freaking cold. And
Speaker 2: that's what you have going on there. How did it
Speaker 2: get here? And it happened right before our very eyes? Yes?
Speaker 4: Pulling that being said, even though it was an awkward
Speaker 4: day for the Patriots, could it have been the right decision?
Speaker 4: Because you have cap space and a quarterback that people like.
Speaker 4: On a rookie deal, it's one of the more attractive
Speaker 4: jobs financially, not so much talent wise, but financially you
Speaker 4: have an open slate, Like if you're a new GM,
Speaker 4: which I'll actually have a GM or a coach. It
Speaker 4: seems like a blank slate.
Speaker 2: But I have to know if they're spending money, how
Speaker 2: involved are the Crafts. That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2: They got more involved, and I think to the detriment
Speaker 2: of the team, you didn't spend any money. How do
Speaker 2: you bring in a rookie coach and a rookie quarterback
Speaker 2: and don't surround him. This goes back to what happened
Speaker 2: with Andrew Luck. Every team should be reminded of that.
Speaker 2: If you're going to bring in a rookie quarterback, get
Speaker 2: an offensive line, give them a couple of skilled position players.
Speaker 2: If not, then don't use the pick on a quarterback
Speaker 2: if you're not going to protect him, Like Bryce Young,
Speaker 2: Hey Bryce, go out there and be a savior. That's
Speaker 2: not the kind of quarterback he is. Hey Bryce, sorry,
Speaker 2: you got to run for your life. Hey Bryce, you suck.
Speaker 2: Come on over. Andy Dalton's going You didn't help him,
Speaker 2: protect him, and New England didn't do that with Drake Man.
Speaker 2: And as a result, you get rid of Gerrod Mayo.
Speaker 2: And maybe Mayo wasn't the right guy to begin with.
Speaker 2: Maybe they made a mistake to put in the coach
Speaker 2: in waiting. But now you got to get Mike Rabel.
Speaker 2: His Rabel gives you a culture. And I know that's
Speaker 2: one of those weird words, but Dan Campbell created a
Speaker 2: culture in Detroit like certain coaches create a culture Rex Ryan,
Speaker 2: you know, for the the good and the bad of
Speaker 2: all of that. He had a culture with the Jet.
Speaker 2: He's still trying to bank on that culture, saying I'm
Speaker 2: the best guy for the job. We're not going to
Speaker 2: let it be a country club atmosphere for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: I go, okay, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 4: Any chance of Rabel is the wrong choice because he
Speaker 4: reminds everyone of Belichick. He'll probably walk in and say,
Speaker 4: I'm going to do this like it was done five
Speaker 4: years ago. Free agents didn't want to go play there,
Speaker 4: especially towards the end. I don't know if Mike Rabel
Speaker 4: be attractive to free agents with Alla Kaprum.
Speaker 2: Players didn't want to play for Belichick. They wanted to
Speaker 2: play for Belichick and Brady because that meant you were
Speaker 2: going to get a chance to play in a Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: plain and simple, like the last four years. Did you
Speaker 2: hear players go, you know what, before I retire, I
Speaker 2: want to play for the greatest coach of all time. No,
Speaker 2: they said, even defensive players, Hey, I'll put up with this,
Speaker 2: but I want to go and play with Brady. I
Speaker 2: got a chance Chris Long one year to play for
Speaker 2: you play in a Super Bowl, and he won one.
Speaker 2: They weren't going to play for the greatest coach in history.
Speaker 2: They wanted to play for the greatest coach with the
Speaker 2: greatest quarterback. The Patriot way.
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Speaker 2: Devin mccordy, NBC Football Night in America's studio analyst. He
Speaker 2: was on site with the Sunday Night Crew Vikings and
Speaker 2: the lines worst loss you ever had in college was what.
Speaker 8: My freshman year we lost to Louisville fifty five toll
Speaker 8: like five.
Speaker 3: We had a safety that was sprinkled in there. It
Speaker 3: was something like that.
Speaker 2: Feel like.
Speaker 3: You hear the.
Speaker 8: Song that they play on kickoff a lot throughout the game,
Speaker 8: and I still remember it was a young jeezy song
Speaker 8: and they would always play Boom Boom clatt and we
Speaker 8: heard that a lot that night, so you get used
Speaker 8: to hearing that song where you get blown out.
Speaker 2: What was the atmosphere like in Detroit? Oh?
Speaker 3: It was awesome.
Speaker 8: You know, I think even in pregame warmups of each
Speaker 8: kind of wave of guys that come out, you know,
Speaker 8: first the returners come out, the crowd goes nuts, and
Speaker 8: then the skill positions, and then ultimately Jared Golf came
Speaker 8: out and they went nuts and What I loved though,
Speaker 8: is every time somebody from the Vikings came out, it
Speaker 8: was just NonStop booze, and I think like you could
Speaker 8: feel it before the game started up. The impact that
Speaker 8: crowd was going to have in the game.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was curious about. That they have
Speaker 2: home field advantage throughout in the NFC, But how much
Speaker 2: of an advantage is it to Detroit. Is there any
Speaker 2: other place that compares like Kansas City that home field advantage, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kansas City.
Speaker 8: I think Buffalo like those teams that, for one, your
Speaker 8: fan base is intense, they're loud, But I think they
Speaker 8: get an advantage too of playing in the cold depending
Speaker 8: on who comes there, like we saw last year when
Speaker 8: Miami had to go to Kansas City and play in
Speaker 8: that historically cold game, but you don't have a shot.
Speaker 8: And I think Detroit's advantage is being in that dome.
Speaker 8: That dome gets loud and it gets rocking, and those
Speaker 8: people are intense. I just talked to Mike Florio on
Speaker 8: Pro Football Talk on the podcast they went and did
Speaker 8: their podcast Monday morning, him and Chris Simps.
Speaker 3: They still could smell the.
Speaker 8: Beer, like those people had a great time in there,
Speaker 8: so it's a tough place to play.
Speaker 2: What's it like to play in a quiet stadium?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hear all the checks.
Speaker 8: You know, you think about, you know, defenses, and you know, honestly,
Speaker 8: it's fun for defense when you're out there and you
Speaker 8: can hear with the offense checks.
Speaker 3: You can hear yourselves usually like if you're.
Speaker 8: At home and those kind of big time matchups in
Speaker 8: the crowds going crazy, making it hard for the offense.
Speaker 8: You have to remember as a defense, you got to
Speaker 8: get used to making your calls and stuff with that noise.
Speaker 8: But when you're out there and is silent, the energy's
Speaker 8: tough sometimes, but you get the advantage of really hearing
Speaker 8: everything the offense is trying to check and get to.
Speaker 2: I guess there's usually one surprise firing every cycle. I
Speaker 2: thought Gerrod Mayo was a surprise. I don't know how
Speaker 2: you felt, but one and done in New England.
Speaker 8: Your reaction, Yeah, I got the opportunity to go up
Speaker 8: to the press conference and I remember being in that
Speaker 8: moment of how special it was a guy. I got
Speaker 8: an opportunity to play with a guy that I think
Speaker 8: for that franchise as a number ten pick came in
Speaker 8: and did so many things and ultimately was a great
Speaker 8: leader for the organization. So when he was named head coach,
Speaker 8: I was so excited.
Speaker 3: I thought he would get an opportunity to really grow
Speaker 3: into that role.
Speaker 8: Not much experience in coaching overall, but I thought he
Speaker 8: would get the opportunity to grow and he didn't.
Speaker 3: And for me, it was a reminder.
Speaker 8: Of this league of I don't care how awesome the
Speaker 8: story is, the personal relationships and all that. When you
Speaker 8: get in and you're a head coach, they're looking for
Speaker 8: a certain thing. They're looking for wins, they're looking for
Speaker 8: the alignment and what the vision looks like. And ultimately
Speaker 8: the Crafts felt like it wasn't there and they moved
Speaker 8: on from Jiraw.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think down the end it didn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't surprising.
Speaker 8: But if I think back to the beginning, no way
Speaker 8: I thought that it would even be a thought of
Speaker 8: him being one and done as a head coach.
Speaker 2: But how can he be the coach in waiting for
Speaker 2: five years but not be ready for this moment? According
Speaker 2: to Robert Kraft, yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean you look at that press conferences and he said,
Speaker 8: I think he has all the skills to be a
Speaker 8: great head coach someday, and that to me was why
Speaker 8: you named him head coaches. You thought somebody else would
Speaker 8: get to take advantage of that, and they only give
Speaker 8: him one year. I think it's really tough, you know,
Speaker 8: And I think back to Jimmy Johnson spoke to our
Speaker 8: team my rookie year and he said, the NFL is
Speaker 8: not about fair. You're gonna get opportunity and that's all
Speaker 8: you can ask for. And you know, honestly, it wasn't
Speaker 8: fair for draw Mayo to think he would have everything
Speaker 8: button up in year one. But that's the reality of
Speaker 8: the NFL.
Speaker 2: Devin mccordy Football Night in America Analyst and wild Card
Speaker 2: Weekend NBC and Peacock will bring you the commanders at
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers. Better season turned in by Jaden Daniels or
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 8: Oh, I think you gotta go Jaden Dails just because
Speaker 8: a little bit of what Baker's doing was expected, you know.
Speaker 8: I think Baker and Tampa has been a beautiful fit
Speaker 8: and he showed that he can be, you know, one
Speaker 8: of the top quarterbacks in the league. Jade and Daills
Speaker 8: took over a Washington team that we thought, even with him,
Speaker 8: they would struggle this year, and you look up and
Speaker 8: they're in the playoffs. They're going to be in the
Speaker 8: playoffs playing an opportunity advance that just wasn't expected. And
Speaker 8: the truth is it's all because of Jaden Daniels as
Speaker 8: their best player.
Speaker 2: The Eagles situation is interesting, and I think it's being
Speaker 2: undersold that that is Jalen Hurts in concussion protocol. Here
Speaker 2: have you ever been in concussion protocol?
Speaker 8: Actually, my first time being a concussion protocol, I don't
Speaker 8: want to say it was the same, but it was
Speaker 8: similar into what Jalen Hurst is going through of and
Speaker 8: the process was a little different. But I had passed
Speaker 8: certain tests so I was able to practice, but I
Speaker 8: didn't pass a test yet to be able to have contact,
Speaker 8: so I had got a concussion missed the last week
Speaker 8: of the season.
Speaker 3: Then we had to.
Speaker 8: Play off bye week, so I didn't practice the last
Speaker 8: week of the season, but the playoff bye week, I
Speaker 8: was cleared to be able to practice, but.
Speaker 3: Still was non contact.
Speaker 8: And then ultimately to get out of protocol, I had
Speaker 8: to get an MRI of my brain to be fully
Speaker 8: out of the concussion protocol. So it was a whole process,
Speaker 8: and more of a process than normal when we think
Speaker 8: about concussion protocol. So I felt a little bit of
Speaker 8: what he's going through.
Speaker 2: Now, if you were Mike McCarthy and you had an
Speaker 2: opportunity to lead the Cowboys, let's say the Bears job
Speaker 2: is legitimate, you know, he's going to be a free agent,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if there's any rush for Jerry
Speaker 2: to you know, sign him. They could have done this.
Speaker 2: He's been a lame duck coach, but it's hard to
Speaker 2: pass on being the Cowboys head coach. But sometimes you
Speaker 2: want to get out from underneath Jerry Jones and that
Speaker 2: that star.
Speaker 8: That Cowboys head coaching job is hard to turn down
Speaker 8: until you've been in it for five years. And I
Speaker 8: think Mike McCarthy knows exactly what it feels like and
Speaker 8: what it is to be in that job. So I
Speaker 8: think it'll be telling if he does want to go
Speaker 8: on these interviews that he is seeking to see what
Speaker 8: it feels like and what it could look like somewhere else.
Speaker 8: And the Bears they had to see it firsthand when
Speaker 8: he was coaching a Green Bay Packer, so there might
Speaker 8: be a little bit of an infatuation of Mike McCarthy
Speaker 8: and what he was able to do, and he might
Speaker 8: want some breath in a room from being on that
Speaker 8: kind of soap opera box that the Cowboys give you
Speaker 8: every year you're in that position.
Speaker 2: We're going to have a road team, at least one
Speaker 2: road team win this weekend. With these these games, give
Speaker 2: me the surprise this weekend.
Speaker 3: The surprise, I would say, And I know it's a little.
Speaker 8: Harder because of Jordan Love's injury and Christian Watson being done,
Speaker 8: but I just think the green Bay Packers they're one
Speaker 8: of those teams that are a little inconsistent. You don't
Speaker 8: always know what you're gonna get. But if they can
Speaker 8: get hot and they can get going, they have a
Speaker 8: Jeff hafleet or defensive coordinator, has different kind of looks
Speaker 8: and disguises that they can give you. They're gonna play
Speaker 8: an Eagles team that comes off a week where they're resting,
Speaker 8: so they might be a little bit of a slow
Speaker 8: start getting back into the field of things that I
Speaker 8: think green Bay could surprise Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: I think Philadelphia is a better team and.
Speaker 8: Should win, but I wouldn't be surprised if Green Bay
Speaker 8: could get it going at Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh has problems with Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Why, I just ultimately, I think Baltimore is a better
Speaker 3: football team.
Speaker 8: I think I think we fell in love with what
Speaker 8: Russ was able to do took over Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: That went on a little winning streak.
Speaker 8: But I think what we saw what Baltimore is able
Speaker 8: to do over these last few weeks, that's their team
Speaker 8: and I think they're playing their best ball right now.
Speaker 8: And I think Pittsburgh they're just not the inabilities of
Speaker 8: the offense to get the ball down the field consistently,
Speaker 8: to be able to pick up short gains and drive
Speaker 8: and have ten to twelve play drives, like, that's not
Speaker 8: what they do well. So when you're relied on the
Speaker 8: DP ball non stop, and if Pickens doesn't come out
Speaker 8: and have a big game, then that just leaves you
Speaker 8: so handicap that I think Baltimore has so much firepower
Speaker 8: that you can't really play that way. But I will
Speaker 8: say these two teams, they battle, and each time they play,
Speaker 8: it seems like the game goes a different way. So
Speaker 8: it's a scary game a little bit for Baltimore playing
Speaker 8: a division opponent in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: What if Bill Belichick called you and said, would you
Speaker 2: join me on my staff at North Carolina?
Speaker 8: I would ultimately think about it, and then I would second,
Speaker 8: I would think about my wife killing me. So I
Speaker 8: would have to say, Bill, I love you, respect you
Speaker 8: so much, but coaching is just not going to be
Speaker 8: about future.
Speaker 2: Okay. What advice would you give if Bill Belichick said,
Speaker 2: come down and talk to my players. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to be in the room. What would you say?
Speaker 8: I would tell them prepare for something that won't be easy,
Speaker 8: but prepare for a chance to be one thing, a
Speaker 8: champion in college, but ultimately an opportunity to be the
Speaker 8: best football player you could be. And for some of them,
Speaker 8: that's going to be in the NFL. You're going to
Speaker 8: learn things about the game of football that are going
Speaker 8: to travel with you far after your career. I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm doing TV primarily because I sat in team meeting
Speaker 8: rooms for thirteen years and heard the most brilliant mind
Speaker 8: and Bill Belichick talk about the game of football. I
Speaker 8: know about situations that I've never known offense, special.
Speaker 3: Teams, defense because of all the things he hit about.
Speaker 3: You know, over my thirteen years in football and for
Speaker 3: those young guys like that won't leave you.
Speaker 8: There's life lessons in there, There's everything. So I think
Speaker 8: ultimately you want to be a winner and be the
Speaker 8: best version of yourself. Get an opportunity to play for
Speaker 8: Bill Belichick. That's going to give you that.
Speaker 2: Did you ever want to punch you?
Speaker 3: I mean, how many times have you be the question?
Speaker 3: I remember we went my rookie year, we went nine.
Speaker 8: Straight days of full pads in practice in training camp.
Speaker 8: Can't do that anymore, but that, like, that's what we
Speaker 8: did my rookie year in training camp.
Speaker 3: We were ready to go. By some season started.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, have fun in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Devin, Always talking to you, Dare Devin mccordy.
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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2: Todd Archer, ESPN, NFL Nation Cowboys Reporter joining us on
Speaker 2: the program, and you got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2: You'll always have something to talk about here to write
Speaker 2: about your reaction. When the Bears reportedly reached out asked
Speaker 2: for permission to talk to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 9: It certainly made it interesting for Jerry Jones to have
Speaker 9: to make it, maybe make a decision sooner than he
Speaker 9: would want to make. If he grants permission, does that
Speaker 9: tell us that Mike McCarthy is not going to be
Speaker 9: back If he doesn't grant permission, Does that tell us
Speaker 9: he is going to be back? There are so many
Speaker 9: different things he can come up with through this coaching search.
Speaker 9: I go back expect anything when it comes to this,
Speaker 9: because I go back to the last time Jerry had
Speaker 9: a coach with an expiring contract in twenty nineteen, when
Speaker 9: he interviewed Marvin Lewis and Mike McCarthy before making any
Speaker 9: announcement on Jason Garrett's status. So that's kind of where
Speaker 9: we are right now. Who the heck knows where they're
Speaker 9: going to how long it can take. I would think
Speaker 9: if it happens, it has to happen here soon.
Speaker 2: But why has Jerry left him dangling here? You either
Speaker 2: want Mike McCarthy or you don't.
Speaker 9: Right, you should be able to operate on parallel tracks
Speaker 9: during the course of a season and have a hypothetical
Speaker 9: list available in your desk drawer to say this is
Speaker 9: where I want to go when the season ends. We've
Speaker 9: seen other teams already make moves either designed to keep
Speaker 9: their coaching staff in GM or go out and make
Speaker 9: this call. Jerry has a Netflix series coming out called
Speaker 9: The Gambler, right, that's supposed to come out at some
Speaker 9: point here in twenty twenty five. I don't know if
Speaker 9: he's much of a gambler anymore.
Speaker 2: This is just not how he operates.
Speaker 9: He takes his time on things and doesn't make the
Speaker 9: bold moves that everybody expects him to make. Maybe that
Speaker 9: will come back here soon and I'll look like a
Speaker 9: fool for saying that. But I don't know why that.
Speaker 9: This wasn't a decision that could have been made yesterday,
Speaker 9: certainly can be made today. It's hopefully by the end
Speaker 9: of the week. McCarthy's contract expires DAN on Wednesday, always
Speaker 9: having exclusive negotiating rights through January fourteenth. I would think
Speaker 9: if I'm Mike McCarthy, I want to know by Wednesday,
Speaker 9: because I want to know, should I look into the
Speaker 9: Chicago thing? Should I look into these other jobs that
Speaker 9: they that these people who might want me as coach?
Speaker 2: But Todd, you've been around this franchise a long time.
Speaker 2: How much does Jerry love the attention? Like his team
Speaker 2: stays in the news cycle constantly because he doesn't wrap
Speaker 2: anything up. Michael Parsons contract won't be wrapped up quickly,
Speaker 2: Dax wasn't, CDs wasn't. You're a head coach here. It
Speaker 2: almost feels like I want you to keep talking about
Speaker 2: my franchise.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's how you become ten billion dollar franchise,
Speaker 9: I guess in some respect, right, because everybody's talking about it,
Speaker 9: everybody good and bad. Right, it's the Cowboys. Fans are
Speaker 9: going to be Cowboys fans, and people will hate the Cowboys.
Speaker 9: Are always going to hate the Cowboys. So you have
Speaker 9: so many eyeballs on you that you draw attention to you.
Speaker 9: And I think Jerry he has said it, he loves
Speaker 9: that attention that is on his franchise. At some point,
Speaker 9: it's not conducive to winning football games, although he'll point
Speaker 9: out that they e the fifth or sixth most winning
Speaker 9: his team in the last five, six, seven years. But
Speaker 9: ultimately Jerry bought the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine to
Speaker 9: win Super Bowls and they've not won one since nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety five. So what are they in here just to
Speaker 9: win games? Or are they in here to win Super Bowls?
Speaker 2: Is it a good job? If it's open.
Speaker 9: This is where I might differ with people who say
Speaker 9: it might not be a good job.
Speaker 2: I will say it is a good job.
Speaker 9: The head coach of the Dallas Cowboys has the biggest
Speaker 9: say in the franchise if they choose to be the
Speaker 9: loudest voice in the franchise. Now we can go back
Speaker 9: to nineteen ninety eight. I think chan Gaily didn't want
Speaker 9: Randy Moss. The Cowboys didn't draft Randy Moss. You know,
Speaker 9: there have always been some little hiccups along the way.
Speaker 9: Bill Parcels didn't want to they still signed too. What
Speaker 9: was the corollary moved to that they cut Larry Allen.
Speaker 9: That was a guy that one round. So that was
Speaker 9: one for one right there. But this is a good
Speaker 9: job beyond because it's one of thirty two, because it
Speaker 9: is the Cowboys, and this is a roster that really
Speaker 9: was hit hard by injury. But you have a quarterback
Speaker 9: that'll be coming back, you have a number one ride receiver,
Speaker 9: you have Michaeh Parsons. You have other pieces in place
Speaker 9: that can win with you at a quick turnaround. But
Speaker 9: it's incumbent on Jerry to do more in the offseason
Speaker 9: than he did last year, where their biggest free agent
Speaker 9: signing was either Zeke or Eric Kendricks. They have to
Speaker 9: do more than that to supplement this roster. They can't
Speaker 9: just rely on improvement from within. But if the head
Speaker 9: coach wants the power or I don't want to say power,
Speaker 9: wants to say and it'll put the work in, he
Speaker 9: can have to say to get what he wants the
Speaker 9: majority of the time.
Speaker 2: But if you're a Cowboys fan and you hear, hey,
Speaker 2: this is why I bought the team. I want to
Speaker 2: be the GM. I want to run the team like
Speaker 2: what Jerry Jones have fight Jerry Jones, Well.
Speaker 9: He hasn't done it yet, so I would say no,
Speaker 9: I'll say and I don't want to come across like
Speaker 9: I'm defending the way Jerry operates this. But in Jerry's mind,
Speaker 9: the GM is the guy who cuts the check. So
Speaker 9: that's why he keeps the title. The GM of the
Speaker 9: Cowboys is really Will McClay. He's the guy that does
Speaker 9: the work that of what a general manager does. And
Speaker 9: if you look at how they've drafted since Will McLay
Speaker 9: has been here since twenty fourteen, it's been among the
Speaker 9: best in the NFL. So people we get hung up
Speaker 9: on the title, but Jerry is not going into the
Speaker 9: draft room and saying, who do you want?
Speaker 2: Who do you want? Who do you want?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 9: You guys want this guy. No, no, no, I want this dude,
Speaker 9: and we're going to take that guy. That's not how
Speaker 9: it works, and it's really not how it's worked here
Speaker 9: for quite a long time. I'll go on my twenty
Speaker 9: plus years of covering the team. It truly has been
Speaker 9: a conglomeration of efforts to get the right get the
Speaker 9: guy everybody wants. And we can plain to another example
Speaker 9: of Jerry not getting what he want when they drafted
Speaker 9: Zach martin twenty fourteen and not Johnny Manzel.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 2: I know I remember that because he wanted he wanted.
Speaker 2: He likes that shiny object there, and I go back
Speaker 2: that I think he wanted Connor Cook, and Connor Cook
Speaker 2: was taken, and then they took Dak Prescott.
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, and not just Connor Cook. They tried to
Speaker 9: trade trade back into the first round and take Paxton Lynch.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 9: So those are two two moves that the Cowboys are
Speaker 9: glad they didn't make, and they ended up getting Dak
Speaker 9: Prescott with not only their their second fourth round pick,
Speaker 9: a compensatory pick. It took a defensive end out of
Speaker 9: Oklahoma with their first fourth round pick that year over
Speaker 9: Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: You go back to Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones that relationship.
Speaker 2: Could it have worked.
Speaker 9: Longer than it had?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: No, I don't believe so. I think Jerry wanted out,
Speaker 9: And again that was before my time here. But haven't
Speaker 9: talked to a lot of people that have been around
Speaker 9: and talked to Jimmy about it and talked to Jerry
Speaker 9: about it. I think Jerry wanted I think Jimmy wanted
Speaker 9: to go somewhere else too. I think his time here
Speaker 9: was done, and I think he realized there's only so
Speaker 9: long of a shelf life a coach can have. Clearly
Speaker 9: that he and Jerry had differences of opinion on who
Speaker 9: did what and the separation of powers and things like that.
Speaker 9: I think it lasted as long as both sides wanted
Speaker 9: it to last, and it was time for them to
Speaker 9: split up.
Speaker 2: But if you look in the history of the NFL
Speaker 2: trades that were made, where do you put what Jimmy did.
Speaker 2: I'm giving Jimmy the credit for herschel Walker deal. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure Jerry gets credit to it. But the importance
Speaker 2: of that trade compared to other trades in NFL history,
Speaker 2: where does that rank?
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know how it's not. I'm going
Speaker 9: to say it's number one because I can't think of
Speaker 9: another one that would top it, just because that was
Speaker 9: the start of everything for the nineties Cowboys, and at
Speaker 9: the time when they made that trade, everybody decided it
Speaker 9: was for these players and didn't realize the pick element
Speaker 9: of it, and then how everything kind of of that
Speaker 9: team was built through that trade for a number of
Speaker 9: years and the guys that they got out of that.
Speaker 9: So they have a tour at the Star where the
Speaker 9: people can come in, and it's famous, right because everybody
Speaker 9: wants to take a tour of the Star and see
Speaker 9: the players and things. But there's one segment of the
Speaker 9: herschel Walker trade, So that tells you what the Cowboys
Speaker 9: think of that trade and what it meant to them
Speaker 9: in their history. So but yeah, without that trade, there
Speaker 9: probably is not a Super Bowl run of the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: The Vikings don't have a tour where they focus on
Speaker 2: the herschel Walker deal.
Speaker 9: Just their tour involves Randy Moss going to them and
Speaker 9: not to the Cowboy.
Speaker 2: Percentage that Mike McCarthy is back is what if you
Speaker 2: were going to put a number on this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I talked to some people in the organization the
Speaker 9: last couple of days, and before the game I think
Speaker 9: the people that I spoke to said he will be back,
Speaker 9: and it might have been a sixty five thirty five.
Speaker 9: Talking to people after the game on Sunday and just
Speaker 9: what hasn't come out of the organization or out of
Speaker 9: the meetings with Jerry, it's probably closer to fifty to
Speaker 9: fifty at this point, oh boy. And by the time
Speaker 9: we in there our discussions, it might be back to
Speaker 9: seventy thirty. He's staying because this is such an in
Speaker 9: the wind. As Mike I told us yesterday, he's in the.
Speaker 3: Wind just like us.
Speaker 9: So the players really don't know what's going on. Here either.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd. Good to catch up with you again.
Speaker 9: Got it, Thanks Dan, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Todd Archer, ESPN, NFL Nation Cowboys Reporter.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.
Speaker 2: He's Ian Rappaport NFL Network Insider. You can see him
Speaker 2: tonight on The Insiders and that's its seven Eastern non
Speaker 2: NFL Network. Good to talk to you again, Ian. Give
Speaker 2: me the surprise coaching move, whether it was keeping a
Speaker 2: coach or firing a coach.
Speaker 6: Well, I would say, I don't know what it's a
Speaker 6: surprise now because basically what happens is everything, every different
Speaker 6: possible outcome gets sort of rumored.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: So it's like people say, can you believe that it's
Speaker 6: like the Titans just fired Ran Carthon the general manager
Speaker 6: after two seasons after giving him an extension last year.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like, is that a surprise? Like, I
Speaker 6: don't know that anything's a surprise that There have been
Speaker 6: some rumors always, But to me, the one that I
Speaker 6: was most unsure about was probably the Giants. Now, to me,
Speaker 6: not that my opinion matters at all. But I felt
Speaker 6: like if the Giants could just take a deep breath
Speaker 6: and stick with people who they know are good, who
Speaker 6: took them to the playoffs, they know Brian Daboll is
Speaker 6: a good coach, didn't forget how to be a good coach.
Speaker 6: You know. I think the Daniel Jones quarterback plummet probably
Speaker 6: hurt them a little bit over the last couple of years.
Speaker 6: If they could just take a deep breath and stick there,
Speaker 6: I think they will benefit. I just you know, people
Speaker 6: so often choose change when there's an option. Just people
Speaker 6: want you to do something, just something, and so I
Speaker 6: was sort of pleasantly surprised. I would say that they
Speaker 6: decided to do nothing and stick with the guys they have.
Speaker 2: Of the openings now, in your opinion, the most attractive
Speaker 2: job is where.
Speaker 6: It's all about the quarterback and it's all about how
Speaker 6: quickly you can get in there and win. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's that's to me. So it's like, you know, I
Speaker 6: think the Bears is really really attractive if you think,
Speaker 6: you know, if you think Caleb Williams is good, and
Speaker 6: I think everyone thinks he's you know, it's not like
Speaker 6: he was taking number one, and people like the Bears
Speaker 6: were crazy, many many people would have taken him number one.
Speaker 6: So to me, I think that's that's a really really
Speaker 6: attractive job. Some of the others might take a little
Speaker 6: bit of time, but that roster is pretty good. Offensive
Speaker 6: line needs work, but I think all around. You know,
Speaker 6: if if Caleb Williams can throw on time and take
Speaker 6: care of the ball like he certainly did this year,
Speaker 6: I think that's one where you could sort of flip
Speaker 6: it pretty quickly. The other one I like is the Jaguars.
Speaker 6: You know, like, is Trevor Lawrence going to be Patrick
Speaker 6: Mahomes Like, I don't know at this point, maybe not.
Speaker 6: Probably not very good viable quarterback locked in for a
Speaker 6: long time, a lot of weapons, a lot of good
Speaker 6: young players tied into contracts that have already started. That's
Speaker 6: another place where it's like, I think you could hop
Speaker 6: in there and win fairly quickly in a division that
Speaker 6: has not always been at the top, top tier.
Speaker 2: What are the cowboys doing now?
Speaker 6: They're dancing? Cowboys are dancing. You know they're different, man,
Speaker 6: And you know we know that cowboys are different. We
Speaker 6: know they're a different animal. But situations like this really
Speaker 6: show us how different. Jerry Jones does not like dead money,
Speaker 6: and it feels like would rather have this uncertainty for
Speaker 6: eight days or nine days or whoever long the last,
Speaker 6: rather than deal with the dead money of let's say,
Speaker 6: extending Mike McCarthy and deciding we do not want him here.
Speaker 6: So the sense I get, the sense I get is
Speaker 6: that they want him back. The sense I get is
Speaker 6: that he would like to be back under the right circumstances.
Speaker 6: You have other teams. You know, we're gonna have interest
Speaker 6: bears I put in request. I would expect the Saints
Speaker 6: to have interest as well. It's just can they get
Speaker 6: together and figure out something that works for both of
Speaker 6: them and for me. A lot of the biggest questions
Speaker 6: are like what about the term of the contract? Like,
Speaker 6: if you're the Cowboys, you know, maybe you say, oh, well,
Speaker 6: let's do a two year deal. Cool. If we don't
Speaker 6: we want to get out next year, we can just
Speaker 6: fire him with you know, limited money. If you're McCarthy, like,
Speaker 6: why would you do that? Just go somewhere else and
Speaker 6: get a five year deal. So I think that's some
Speaker 6: of the issues they need to work out.
Speaker 2: Do the Lions lose both coordinators.
Speaker 6: A pretty good chance. Yeah, I mean Ben Jonson's a
Speaker 6: little bit of a different deal because he's been in
Speaker 6: demand for a couple of years. You know, I don't
Speaker 6: know that he would have gotten the commander's job last year,
Speaker 6: but at least he would have been one of the
Speaker 6: final guys they were discussing right that whole situation was
Speaker 6: kind of weird. But he's in demand enough where I
Speaker 6: think he's gonna have a chance to get a job.
Speaker 6: And then to me, I mean Aaron Glenn And like
Speaker 6: we all saw what the line's defensive coordinator did on Sunday,
Speaker 6: that was a that was mean. He made things very
Speaker 6: very rough for the Vikings. I've not seen that Sam
Speaker 6: Donald in a couple of years. But that's not why
Speaker 6: I think Aaron Glenn's going to get a job. It's
Speaker 6: really about like culture and leadership. And to me, he's
Speaker 6: the guy who's sort of like most an extension of
Speaker 6: Dan Campbell on the staff. Like I think, I think
Speaker 6: he's got a really good shot to get one of
Speaker 6: these jobs as well.
Speaker 2: Talking to Ian Rappaport, NFL Network insider, I've said this
Speaker 2: for many many years, not every coordinator deserves to be
Speaker 2: a head coach that because of what goes along, Like
Speaker 2: you know, Girod Mayo, I don't think he was equipped
Speaker 2: to go to those press conferences. I think he was
Speaker 2: trying to be the antithesis of Belichick and he just
Speaker 2: he didn't handle it well. Now that doesn't mean he
Speaker 2: can't learn how to do it. But we've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of the Patriot coordinators Romeo Crenell and Charlie Weiss,
Speaker 2: and they're coordinators, they're just but it's tough to say
Speaker 2: that to somebody when somebody says, why doesn't that guy
Speaker 2: get a shot? Well, you gotta be Pete Carroll at
Speaker 2: a press conference, now, like you gotta be able to
Speaker 2: handle these things, and you're a CEO. How do you
Speaker 2: different Can you differentiate between somebody is just a great
Speaker 2: coordinator and not a head coach.
Speaker 6: So specifically to the press conferences. I don't care that
Speaker 6: that much about like Gerd Mayo kind of like stepping
Speaker 6: on his foot or whatever at a press conference. I
Speaker 6: don't care that much. But just because like if you're
Speaker 6: not great at the media, like most people most when
Speaker 6: Rod Mayo was coming up as a player, he did
Speaker 6: plenty of interviews as a coordinator. He was a position
Speaker 6: coach for a lot of it. He didn't do a
Speaker 6: ton of interviews. Most of these guys have not, so
Speaker 6: like you'll see, like I remember Nick Sirianni, who has
Speaker 6: proven to be a very good head coach, was a
Speaker 6: disaster his first press conference. You and I sort of
Speaker 6: take it for granted. It's very very hard. I don't
Speaker 6: care so much about that. What I care about is
Speaker 6: a lot of times that press conference face or persona
Speaker 6: or whatever is what you put in front of the team.
Speaker 6: That's more important to me because, like you know, when
Speaker 6: you're it's like, mess up in front of the media, Okay,
Speaker 6: who cares, But if you mess up in front of
Speaker 6: the team, they're gonna wonder if you're really authentic, are
Speaker 6: you acting? Are you trying to be? And I think
Speaker 6: that's where a lot of the Patriots coordinators under Belichick
Speaker 6: have run into problems because they were trying to be something,
Speaker 6: whether it's him, whether it's I'm definitely not gonna be him.
Speaker 6: It's like players can tell when you're not just a leader, right,
Speaker 6: and so like talk about coordinators being ready, Like Dan
Speaker 6: Campbell was the coordinator, he was just the best leader
Speaker 6: that the Saints had. So it's like sometimes coaches, you know,
Speaker 6: it's like, I really don't think that the best play
Speaker 6: calling head coach, the best play calling coordinator means you're
Speaker 6: gonna be a great head coach. It's like, find the
Speaker 6: best leader, but that guy in front of the big room,
Speaker 6: not the small one, but the big room, and let
Speaker 6: him go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you've got to create a culture. And I
Speaker 2: I think that I don't know what Ben Johnson's personality is,
Speaker 2: but is he going to be able to leave? Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell came in and we were like, oh, who is
Speaker 2: this guy? And then all of a sudden we realize
Speaker 2: that that guy is that guy and those players bought
Speaker 2: into that, and really that's the important part. You know,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys they bought into Jimmy Johnson, Like you have
Speaker 2: to buy into that. We may see somebody and go
Speaker 2: that guy's corny or you know, that guy's quiet, but
Speaker 2: you'll know when you're the feedback you get comes from
Speaker 2: your players. That's the ultimate. That's the only feedback you
Speaker 2: really need.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and like like for for me, like you know,
Speaker 6: I've been doing this for thirteen years now, and I
Speaker 6: get to know a lot of these coordinator candidates, a
Speaker 6: lot of the young coaches, and it's really been educational
Speaker 6: for me to as I talk about it and as
Speaker 6: I talk to gms and owners and whoever you know,
Speaker 6: whether publicly or probably about some of these candidates, because
Speaker 6: it's like, what makes a good head coach, who makes
Speaker 6: a good coordinator is almost almost has nothing to do
Speaker 6: with each other, Like if you do the Venn diagram thing,
Speaker 6: they may not connect. Like I remember so specifically. I
Speaker 6: hate to even say this now, but kind of rolling
Speaker 6: my eyes at the Lions excitement over Dan Campbell because
Speaker 6: I'm like, what are they seeing that I am not seeing?
Speaker 6: He's ever been a coordinator, Like, yes, he gave the
Speaker 6: speeches in the Saints to the point like he's not
Speaker 6: even a coordinator. And now, as I've learned, it's like
Speaker 6: who cares like find the best leader? And it's like,
Speaker 6: you know you talked about I was laughing as you
Speaker 6: were doing the open talking about how bad the Lions draft,
Speaker 6: you know, drafts were. It's like, what is Brad Holmes doing?
Speaker 6: Don't they care about, you know, positional value? It's like,
Speaker 6: find good football players, have them play on your team,
Speaker 6: have a lot of good football players, you don't have
Speaker 6: a better team. It's like same thing with coaches. Find
Speaker 6: good leaders, let them lead, and then everything else will
Speaker 6: sort of be fine.
Speaker 2: Finish this sentence. If the Steelers get blown out against
Speaker 2: the Ravens, I.
Speaker 6: Will be surprised if the Steelers get blown out against
Speaker 6: the Ravens. You're talking specifically about Mike Tomlin. I don't
Speaker 6: think anything happens to Mike tom But I would say
Speaker 6: if the Steelers get blown out by the Ravens, then
Speaker 6: I will say they take another look at the quarterback
Speaker 6: position and try to figure that out for next year.
Speaker 6: I have thought, I have believed that their starting quarterback
Speaker 6: for next year is on their roster. My sense is
Speaker 6: that it was Russell Wilson. It has been very rough
Speaker 6: the last month, very rough, so maybe it's not. But
Speaker 6: I think we're about to find out.
Speaker 2: Let's flip it. If the Ravens lose.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean this is about as talented a Ravens
Speaker 6: team as as we could have. You know, I would
Speaker 6: be surprised if anything happens to Harbor. If that's what
Speaker 6: you mean to.
Speaker 2: Me, he is It's probably perception with Lamar like this
Speaker 2: is the ultimate kiss of death with him, whether it's
Speaker 2: fair or not. But here we are home field advantage.
Speaker 2: You had home field advantage last year. You know, no,
Speaker 2: I get it, it's there.
Speaker 6: I get and last year was probably like you know,
Speaker 6: I I would like to see the Ravens in the
Speaker 6: super Bowl. It would be very fun. And they're such
Speaker 6: a good team and I feel like they, you know,
Speaker 6: deserve to. So last year was frustrating because it's like,
Speaker 6: I don't know what else they have to do. And
Speaker 6: then they got Derrick Henry. They sort of form their
Speaker 6: identity even more. I think they're you know, good enough
Speaker 6: on defense. I mean, this looks like a team that
Speaker 6: should be should go deep into the playoffs and reach
Speaker 6: the super Bowl. But again, like I don't think it's
Speaker 6: a it's so freaking hard to get there. It's so hard.
Speaker 6: And like you could say whatever you want about Omar
Speaker 6: or Josh Allen, same thing. It's like, I get it,
Speaker 6: but you got to beat Mahomes. So it's like sometimes
Speaker 6: you're just Mahomes is gonna beat you. He's very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Jordan. Yeah, it's yeah, the Jordan era
Speaker 2: that there's no shame in not winning a championship. There.
Speaker 6: Look, Look, Mahomes is a good pitcher, like I've seen
Speaker 6: I've seen the clips of him throwing. Like, if he
Speaker 6: wants to go play baseball, he's still got a great arm.
Speaker 6: If he wants to go play baseball, then I think
Speaker 6: that really opens things up at AFC.
Speaker 2: I think he'd be maybe a better baseball player than Jordan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Jordan was not very good. But on
Speaker 6: the other hand, like you drop someone into you know,
Speaker 6: was it double was Birmingham double A? Drop someone into
Speaker 6: double A? Like he hit two hundred. That's pretty good.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't hit two hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not. You're not one of the greatest
Speaker 2: athlete you know, in the world.
Speaker 6: It's offensive.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if you're the best athletic insider.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's really offensive. I was a high school baseball player.
Speaker 6: I was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Are you more athletic than Adam Schefter?
Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I think skill wise, just pure athleticism.
Speaker 6: Like think I have a better arm, you know, I
Speaker 6: think if you psch you know, having a catch, I
Speaker 6: think I would probably the.
Speaker 2: Combine.
Speaker 6: He might beat me in a race, and I think
Speaker 6: he he is. I'm pretty sure he lifts. I think
Speaker 6: strength wise he would probably get me. But hitting a baseball,
Speaker 6: throwing talk about like golf, I feel like I probably
Speaker 6: got him, just so be really depending on the events.
Speaker 2: What if Glazier was in the octagon with you.
Speaker 6: Well, if we're talking octagon, me and Schefter have no chance.
Speaker 6: But you want to talk like golf, baseball, tennis. You know,
Speaker 6: I did go to a nick voluntary week of tennis
Speaker 6: camp when I was eleven.
Speaker 2: Saying my bad, I did not know that Fritzi. Will
Speaker 2: you check his resume next time? Yeah, that's impressive stuff here.
Speaker 6: I was a college athlete, I was a rower. But still.
Speaker 2: Were you a rower or were you crew?
Speaker 6: I was? I was a was a rower, is a
Speaker 6: lightweight rower at Columbia. I was very bad, but my
Speaker 6: team was very good. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Uh were you were? You weren't the one who is
Speaker 2: yelling like the no.
Speaker 6: I was actually doing the work. Okay, I mean not
Speaker 6: the cosins don't do the work. They work very hard,
Speaker 6: but more metal work there.
Speaker 2: He's one of the great athletic insiders in the in
Speaker 2: the business. He's Ian Rapidport. Thank you, Ian, thank you.