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Speaker 1: As God Washington wins it. You know, I don't have

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Speaker 1: Washington football team, you know the text buddies, I'll give

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Speaker 1: mark it. All that said, Giants fans have had a

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Speaker 1: Logical Giants fans who looked at a g Men team

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Speaker 1: that gave this game away what three times four times?

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Speaker 1: it was pretty insane to watch these two long time

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