WEBVTT - Full Interview w/ Jared Moskowitz - Should Democrats “Fight Fire With Fire” Against Trump? 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.559 All right, and joining me now is Congressman Jared Moskowitz. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.680 He represents a congressional district in South Florida. And as 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.720 you know, I always mock anybody that says South Florida 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.000 because that's always code for not Miami as somebody who 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.360 grew up in Miami, and in this case, because that 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.720 is correct. This is a little bit of Broward County, 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.919 a little bit of Palm Beach County. I'm just sort 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.200 of teasing my fellow South Floridian here a little bit. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:28.120 By the way. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.800 Well, I get very I'll say I'm from Miami, and 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.400 someone will say, oh, I'm from South Florida too, And 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.520 I'm like, oh, so, where in Broward County are you from? 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.440 Yeah, you know, it's like we matter to Chuck. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.600 I'm not saying you don't, but you know, it's a 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.040 growing up in Miami is a different animal, my friend. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.800 That's now, oh especially. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.640 Now, I barely it's you know, it's a totally different Uh, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.680 it's a totally different place than where I grew up. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.440 But let me finish quickly your bio. You've been a 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.920 state rep. He's a Democratic state rep. He served in 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.200 the Dysantis administration. Doing emergency management, got elected to Congress 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.039 on the twenty two midterms, I believe, serving now in 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.759 his second term. He joins me. Now, and we were 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.119 just joking. I'm beating up there in South Florida. We'll 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.560 do a little South Florida stuff here in a minute. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:19.679 But the fact that you worked in the DeSantis administration, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.760 that is not a shock to a Floridian that a 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.800 Democrat would work for a Republican governor if it had 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.600 been Jeb Bush, Charlie Chris Rick Scott right like, in 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.760 some ways Jeb Bush set the precedent on some of 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.280 these things. But when I look at Disantis today and 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.240 I was wondering, huh, you got hired in the first term. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.319 Would you have ever gotten that job in a second term? 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.360 And you were telling me the answer, So tell me 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:43.520 the answer, now, what do you think. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.280 The answer is? No, I don't think so. The second 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.080 term DeSantis administration very different than the first term. Second 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:53.120 term when you started. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.320 Susie Wiles' difference by the way, Well, Susie Wilds. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.200 Is the one who hired me, rightight, she vetted me. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.280 She was part of the transition team. No, I think 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.800 the difference is when he ran for president and and 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.799 started this tack on the social issues again. And then 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.920 you know this, this the division that was not the 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.480 first two years of the administration. It really started obviously 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.960 during COVID. Although I think there were a lot of 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.720 things that we were right about COVID, about opening schools, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.440 things of that nature that I was that I was 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.040 involved in. But look, the division of e wordsy management 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.600 in Florida had a history of previous directors being from 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.520 a different party than the governor. Because it didn't matter. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.360 Fugate working for jab and worked for Obama, and he 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.160 might be arguably right like one of the you know, 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.239 the best advisors you can have in that era. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.840 No what, one of the best of all time at 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.760 both at both levels. Those days I think are are 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:54.840 over now in Florida and and in politics. Look the 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.480 Trump folks, the Trump folks, you know, rumors that they 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.359 were looking at me for or for FEMA. I think 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.120 it probably worked out for both of us that we 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.760 didn't go down that route. But that look at this climate, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.480 that would be an impossibility to do. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.960 Well, let's start there, because you know, I just got 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.160 off the phone with just a longtime friend of mine 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.720 he's an operative out in California, and we're basically having 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.160 an argument about the redistricting situation, right, which is and 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.600 it gets at this issue right here are we? Which is? 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.359 And of course, like each party thinks the other one 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.600 breaks the rules all the time, right, we know this, right, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.280 there is this base of both so they so you 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.480 can convince yourself to break the rules because you think 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.560 the other guy breaks the rules. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.440 Yeah, it's like it's like both It's like two of 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.400 my I have two boys, it's like both of my children. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.920 When I hear crying and fighting up upstairs, it's who 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:43.720 hit who first? 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.680 Right, And it's exactly right. And then the question is 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.800 do you stand on principle and bring a knife to 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.680 a gun fight and lose? Right? And that's the argument 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.120 he's making to me. And I'm like, well, if you 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.000 don't stand on principle when it's hard, when are you 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.480 going to stand on principle? And I guess where are 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.280 you on this? Because you're in the middle of this, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.760 You've got you're in your house, Democrat. The political environment's 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.640 probably going to be blowing in the Democrats direction, which 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.200 maybe why Republicans are so aggressive and trying why Trump 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.240 so aggressive and trying to do this? Where do you 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.600 stand on this? And especially look, I'm always so offended 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.279 by the by how redistricting has worked the state of 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.640 Florida that I'm just always wanting politicians out of this process. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:33.920 That's sort of my instinct here. I understand the mindset 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.000 of Hey, if they're going to do ends justifies the means. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.800 Why why shouldn't the Democrats? Where do you? Where are 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:40.159 you in this? 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.520 Well, let me say as someone who for the twenty 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.560 years I've been in government elected appointed office, you know, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.479 when I see someone trying to start a fire, right 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.159 and this is my emergency mandment background, the idea is 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.560 to grab water, put the fire out, preserve as much 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.600 as possible from the fire. I would tell you that 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.400 I don't think that's where the base of the Democratic 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:03.960 Party is right now. I think the date where the 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.400 base of the Democratic Party is right now is that 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.359 if there's if they're lighting a fire, don't grab water, Jared, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:13.760 grab gasoline. Okay, make that fire bigger, burn it to 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.640 the ground. If they're going to burn it, we should 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.120 burn it. Don't talk to me about protecting democracy. Look 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.000 at this is not the democracy I want, don't go 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.360 protect it, shut it down, shut the government down, do 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.320 all of that. Jared. It's no longer about work together. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.159 Why would you try to work together with them? Jared? 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:31.960 They don't want to work with you. Look at what 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.039 they are doing. And so I think there's been a 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.960 shift from us being the adults in the room, which 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.880 we are, the responsible folks in the room, which we are. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.040 I don't think the base wants to hear that anymore 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.719 at all. They don't want to hear about norms. They 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.760 don't want to hear about anything that. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.120 You know. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:50.840 I would go in a room and people would say, Jared, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.760 you're not fighting hard enough. And I'm on TV all 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:57.120 the time, I fight and committee, and I would say, well, 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.719 what do you want me to do? Storm the Capitol 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.000 as a sarcastic joke, and like half the room would 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.359 look at half the room would look at me and 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:04.280 be like, well have you tried? 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.800 It seemed to work for them, It was always you know, 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.640 one of the fears I had about a second Trump 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.440 term was that it wasn't that it was going to 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.600 change the Republican Party even more, but that it was 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.920 going to change the Democrats. Has happened and we're watching 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.360 it now, which is, if you can't beat them, essentially 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:24.160 join them. It's so funny. Yesterday I just did this 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.400 tweet above the Center for American Progress pulled their support 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.320 right for independent redistricting commissions. And I just put a 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.160 little note that like, I don't understand why the answer 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.080 If you're upset about voters being disenfranchised in Texas, why 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.400 is the answer to disenfranchised voters in California? And then 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.239 Rob Flaherty, who was the deputy campaign manager for Kamala Harris, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.760 and he goes essentially made the argument you just said 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.839 the base makes, which is, hey, we tried that nobody 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.919 cares about protecting the democracy essentially, you know. And he 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.080 wasn't like being angry. He wasn't like, I didn't feel 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.200 it as a personal attack. He was basically like, hey, 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.920 basically saying I've got I'm the one with the head 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.000 up his ass, right, Like I'm the naive guy here, 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.120 and and it sounds like that's the feedback you get. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.360 And I just think the other district. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.520 Chuck, chuck, I'm a moderate district, right, I don't. I 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.560 don't have a plus twenty. I got a plus two. Right, Okay, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.960 And don't get me wrong. My general election voter isn't 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.720 necessarily there, but my primary voter is absolutely well, unequivocally there. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.080 This is the conundrum for the party, right, is that 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.640 primary voters want a fighter and swing voters want a uniter. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.200 And I don't know if you can be both. 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.240 Well, Look, I try as much as I can. I 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.880 hit him in committee, I hit him online, and if 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.800 there's a bipartisan bill, I will vote for it. But 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.920 those folks that are there, whether they're d's, are ours, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.040 they I now now have the dinosaurs feel right like? 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.560 That error, that error is coming to an end. It 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.120 is absolutely coming to it. And jerry mandering is going 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.240 to speed that up. Because five seats in Texas, five 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.240 seats in California, a couple in Florida, two in Ohio, 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.440 one in Indiana, one in Missouri. Now the twenty five 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.640 seats that we're always fighting over, now the twenty five 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:03.680 or fifteen. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.720 Right, No, this is full on parliamentary national election now. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.200 Yeah. And by the way, this is if you don't 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.560 think Congress functions. Now, I mean, just give it to 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.880 or four more years. More power will go to the 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.480 executive I don't care who's in charge. Basically, we'll get 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.360 to the point where the only thing we can pass 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.600 is a cr maybe maybe. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.800 So what do you do in a moment like this? 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.360 Well, look, I think for me, I've been doing this 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.720 since I was twenty five. I'm going to continue to 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.160 do what was right. I'm really guided by the shooting 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.160 that happened and Marjorie Stollman Douglas at my high school 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.680 in my backyard, when I saw government failed, the FBI failed, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.080 school board failed, the braw Sheriff's office failed. Right, this 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.079 was a preventable event. Government failed, and kids and adults 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.960 died as a result of it. And so I got 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.640 to be honest, truck, I do what I think is right. Okay, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.679 I obbaubly want to represent my voters, Okay, but I'm 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.160 still gonna do what I think is right. If the 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:12.320 voters decide that I'm not for them, right, I got 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.079 two boys at home right behind that door, right, Okay, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:17.960 I'll go back to them, like my life will go on. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.240 If keeping my job is so important that I'm going 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.440 to lose who I've been, then so be it so 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.600 for me. You obviously, look at the climate you're in, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.960 you adjust, you see where you're going, but you still 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.480 got to stay true. It's true to yourself. And that's 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.800 always been me. It's how I passed gun control in 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.200 a Republican legislature. We raise the age of twenty one. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.360 After the shooting, we got red flag laws. I didn't 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.240 do that by lighting the Republicans on fire. I did 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.319 that by bringing them to the school, making them meet 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.000 with parents, trying to see that, Look, yes, we want 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.160 to protect the Second Amendment, but isn't there mitigation we 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:02.199 can do right to kind of lessen this problem. But 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.920 that way of thinking, Chuck is gone. Everything Trump touches 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.280 as bad, we can't, we can't work with him. And 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.680 don't get me wrong, he's deserving of all of that. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.840 I mean, just look at the look at what's going 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.040 on here, okay, I mean every day it's something new 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.520 that you know, wasn't in any book of political science 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:22.920 I ever learned about. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.720 Well, certainly not the version that you and I, you 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.200 and I grew up with, which you know, sometimes I 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.280 kind of wonder if we ended up growing up in 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.200 an outlier period of American history, meaning the Cold War 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.960 kept both parties more sober and then it you know, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.160 after the Cold War ends, that's when you saw both 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.079 parties start to move further and further away from each other. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.760 If you look at that that I used to work 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.120 in National Journal. We used to do these vote rankings, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.360 and you know, who was the most liberal Republican, who's 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.600 the most conservative voting Democrat. For thirty years, there was 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.720 always the lines always crossed, And sometime in about twenty 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.640 nine to twenty ten they started to be here. Right, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.800 You'd get like Mansion and Collins, and it's farther and 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:14.440 farther away because politically it's hard to even support a 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:15.199 bipartisan bill. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.680 Oh yeah, And look, jerry mandering is a big piece 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.280 of how we got here. But also, Chuck, let's be honest, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:27.199 the amount of foreign interference that's going on now online 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.160 especially Look, China has like one aircraft carrier. Okay, they're 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.640 not going to beat us militarily. Neither are the Russians. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:39.160 They're not military threats from the Pentagon standpoint. So what 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.800 they've done is if they have invested heavily on trying 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:48.560 to divide us from within, getting Democrats and Republicans foaming 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.600 out the mouth, get us to hate each other, divide us, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.440 division all the time, create enemies, create boogeymen, do all 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.400 of that, and by the way, they have had tremendous 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.840 success doing that. We are at each other's throats. And 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.839 if we're at each other's throats, then we can't make decisions. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.800 If nine to eleven happened tomorrow, god forbid it, another 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.800 nine to eleven, you think we would come together as Americans, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.920 we would immediately start attacking each other. Rather than focus 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.280 on who who committed it, we'd immediately start the blame game. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.120 Well, I mean this comes and this is where leadership matters, right. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.920 We always are reflected by how the president sets the tone. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.120 And there's no there's he doesn't believe in win win. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.160 There's one winner and one loser. And if he's succeeding 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.160 somebody else in the. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.920 Talladega Knights version of politics, if you're not first, your last. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:42.320 So let's I want to you. You mentioned two important 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:48.400 laws you got passed. Governor Rick Scott signed them into law, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.880 and it was raising the age and it was the 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.959 red Flag warnings and now both I believe have they 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.240 have they repealed the twenty one completely. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.560 They're all still there. They're all still there. They're trying, right, Yeah, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.040 the House, the House has tried, the Senate has stopped them. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.480 But seven years later, we still have twenty one in 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.679 Florida and we still have red flag laws. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.720 Even though the governor's trying to get rid of it, right. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.920 Correct, but hasn't hasn't succeeded, and quite frankly, truck hasn't 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.440 he put a ton of capital into it. Yeah, he's tried, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.120 but he hasn't really tried. You don't want to know 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.040 why he hasn't tried. You know how many times red 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.000 flag laws have been used in Florida and seven years 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.280 now since we've put them in place, over twenty thousand times. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.240 It's being used more by Republican sheriffs than Democratic sheriffs, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.280 getting hands out of the getting guns out of the 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.840 hands of people who are your number. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.800 Those are the most supportive of this law. Where the 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.680 sheriffs weren't they correct all? You know, the sheriffs are 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.960 probably politically more right leaning than left leaning, but this 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.280 was always something law enforcement has been dying for something 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:47.480 like that. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.000 We're seeing that it's it's stopping domestic violence. We're seeing 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.840 that it's helping veterans who are having or suffering from PTSD. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:02.040 We're seeing that it's stopping suicides, and yes, obviously it's 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.640 preventing you know, mass casualty events by getting guns out 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.680 are the people who are clearly a danger to themselves 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:10.720 and a danger to others. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.240 So is the same issues that make it hard to 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:18.439 do much governing at all across the board? Is would 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.600 you assess that it's the same issue here when you 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.640 look at look at the Minneapolis shooting. Frankly, you hate 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.840 to say this, but they all look at the same right, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:31.560 meaning you know, the reaction is the same. People take 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.640 what they politically believe they want to get done and say, see, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.200 we told you so. And it's always an or. I 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.800 always say there's or or? Is it an and issue? 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.120 And to me, we need to look at access to 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:47.760 guns and mental health and school security and language divisive 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.880 language on the internet. It seems that it has to 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.040 be all of the above. And that seems to be 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.200 you would think that would be an easy thing to sell. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:57.840 That's actually a hard thing to sell. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.800 Believe it or not. That's actually what we did in Florida. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.120 So in Florida we raised age of twenty one. We 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.520 did three d waiting periods. We did in flag laws. Okay. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.840 Then we mandated soros in every school, right, putting guns 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.280 in schools right as we. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.360 Police are basically police officers, said, right with police officers, correct, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.520 So a police officer in every school. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.280 Then we put hundreds of millions of dollars into mental health. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.680 We mandated a mental health counselor in high schools. We 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:30.280 mandated health a mental health program and every school board. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.520 We then put hundreds of millions of dollars into creating 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.040 secure campuses, okay, by making sure that we had single 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.040 points of entry. We put money into video camera systems, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:45.080 alert systems. Because the response is also a big failure 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.480 in a lot of these events and lead to more tragedies. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.520 We change the programs and the school board. Now there 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.920 are threat assessments, right, so that we can identify someone 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.160 who needs help. Earlier, we did the kitchen sink. We 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.680 threw the kitchen. I didn't get everything I wanted on gun, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.360 I'll see. That's okay, that's what compromise means. But my 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.240 Republican colleagues moved out of their corner, and so I 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.240 moved out of mine. And we came, we came to 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.920 an agreement. I gotta be honest, I don't know that 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.920 we could do that again. I really don't know. In 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.640 the seven years the change that has gone on, no 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.280 one feels that they need to move because. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.600 There's no reward for moving, Chuck, no reward. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.360 The reward is for staying in your corner, not for 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.240 actually solving a problem, but just looking tough. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:38.920 Yeah, the it's it's when you look at I actually 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:43.360 have a specific question. This happened at a private Catholic school. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.840 Does did your law apply to private and charter schools? Importantly? 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.800 Yes? Yeah it does. Yeah, it does apply. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.200 Where because it does seem as if we know we 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.440 throw all this we can throw all this money at 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.400 public schools. How does a private school get that taxpayer 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:03.280 security money? 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.280 Well, look, they're gonna have to do an after action 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.960 review obviously to figure out where the gaps were. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:08.280 Right. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:13.080 First of all, this kid was posting for a month online, right, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.439 So what did the FBI miss here? Did the FBI 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.119 miss it because they're busy doing other stuff? Did the 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.280 FBI miss it because they've cut the amount of people 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.159 that work at the FBI. Did they miss it because 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.520 they are now underfunding programs. We don't know. That should 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.120 be part of the after action review that goes on here. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.600 How did he get on campus? Okay? You know where 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.639 did he get his weapon from? Okay? You know how 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.240 did he get through the door? Okay? All of that 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.800 stuff needs to be looked at. Private schools in Florida 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.879 can draw down state grant money, they can apply for 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.040 state grant money. Okay. In fact, in Florida they've gone 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.960 even further. Kids that go to private school, right, do 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.399 they now get a grant in general to attend that 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.840 private school? Okay? The schools are very expensive here now, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:02.600 and they put a ton of money towards security. But 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.560 but yes, this is this is all about figuring out 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.719 what failed, right, That's what we did here when we 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.520 saw what failed in Douglas. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.560 We did if you could have waived a magic wand 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:19.119 from what you learned from Parkland, you know, if you 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.600 could be king for a day, what would be the 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.520 what would what do you think is the best answer? 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.160 Well, that's the problem, truck. When these things happened, one 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.800 thing doesn't fail. It's not one point of failure. So 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.720 it's not like, oh if I just got rid of 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.000 AR fifteen's this would this would end No, I wouldn't. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.440 He would have come in with handguns. He was there 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.280 for he was there for minutes. There were no police 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.240 because the officer didn't run into the building, and you 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:43.840 would have killed as many people as he could with 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.000 his handguns. Okay, So one thing doesn't fix it here. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.760 That's why it is an all of the approach. You 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.480 can't just do all of one category. You can't just 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.200 do s r os. We had an s R O 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.880 at Douglas. He decided to stay outside because he didn't 0:18:58.920 --> 0:18:59.480 want to die. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.840 So the other issue, obviously is rhetoric online and when 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.600 do you ticket seriously, when do you let it go? 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.240 There's censorship questions. And what's interesting about this issue, as 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.880 you said, there was all this there's in hindsight now 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.400 all these red flags given what he was doing online. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.920 We obviously the entire online conversation. Frankly, as a parent, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.200 you feel like you have very little ability to sort 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.560 of to monitor it or to prevent it. We're all 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.760 at the mercy of these five big tech companies. And 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.240 I think about the other thing you brought up, which is, hey, 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.560 we have foreign adversaries that are intentionally trying to use 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.119 essentially social media to do this. So this is a 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.840 societal problem that on one hand is a problem for 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.960 our young men and boys right now, but it's also 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.040 this larger problem in our society as a whole. How 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.760 do we deal with this big tech issue. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.840 Well, I mean, look, it's a big piece to the PU. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.840 I mean that the TikTok piece, okay, is a huge 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:08.000 piece on how we're going to control how propaganda gets 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.080 fed to the American people TikTok. And I don't want 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.199 to be clear, I don't want to ban TikTok, right, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.240 but you have to also recognize it's a psyops weapon. Okay, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.600 there's a reason why I'm not allowed to have it 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.000 on my official devices. 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.440 Hey man, I won't put it on my phone because 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.200 if you guys won't, I'm sitting here going, well, look, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.080 I mean, you know, and I'm hard I'm having a 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.320 harder time trusting my government these days. But that's a 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:37.359 separate issue. But I am I'm awfully you know. My 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.119