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Speaker 1: All right, and joining me now is Congressman Jared Moskowitz.

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Speaker 1: He represents a congressional district in South Florida. And as

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Speaker 1: you know, I always mock anybody that says South Florida

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Speaker 1: because that's always code for not Miami as somebody who

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Speaker 1: grew up in Miami, and in this case, because that

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Speaker 1: is correct. This is a little bit of Broward County,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Palm Beach County. I'm just sort

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Speaker 1: of teasing my fellow South Floridian here a little bit.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I get very I'll say I'm from Miami, and

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Speaker 1: someone will say, oh, I'm from South Florida too, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so, where in Broward County are you from?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like we matter to Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't, but you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: growing up in Miami is a different animal, my friend.

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Speaker 2: That's now, oh especially.

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Speaker 1: Now, I barely it's you know, it's a totally different Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a totally different place than where I grew up.

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Speaker 1: But let me finish quickly your bio. You've been a

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Speaker 1: state rep. He's a Democratic state rep. He served in

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Speaker 1: the Dysantis administration. Doing emergency management, got elected to Congress

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Speaker 1: on the twenty two midterms, I believe, serving now in

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Speaker 1: his second term. He joins me. Now, and we were

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Speaker 1: just joking. I'm beating up there in South Florida. We'll

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Speaker 1: do a little South Florida stuff here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that you worked in the DeSantis administration,

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Speaker 1: that is not a shock to a Floridian that a

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Speaker 1: Democrat would work for a Republican governor if it had

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Speaker 1: been Jeb Bush, Charlie Chris Rick Scott right like, in

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Speaker 1: some ways Jeb Bush set the precedent on some of

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Speaker 1: these things. But when I look at Disantis today and

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, huh, you got hired in the first term.

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Speaker 1: Would you have ever gotten that job in a second term?

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Speaker 1: And you were telling me the answer, So tell me

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Speaker 1: the answer, now, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: The answer is? No, I don't think so. The second

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Speaker 2: term DeSantis administration very different than the first term. Second

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Speaker 2: term when you started.

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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles' difference by the way, Well, Susie Wilds.

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Speaker 2: Is the one who hired me, rightight, she vetted me.

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Speaker 2: She was part of the transition team. No, I think

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Speaker 2: the difference is when he ran for president and and

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Speaker 2: started this tack on the social issues again. And then

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Speaker 2: you know this, this the division that was not the

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Speaker 2: first two years of the administration. It really started obviously

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Speaker 2: during COVID. Although I think there were a lot of

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Speaker 2: things that we were right about COVID, about opening schools,

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Speaker 2: things of that nature that I was that I was

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Speaker 2: involved in. But look, the division of e wordsy management

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Speaker 2: in Florida had a history of previous directors being from

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Speaker 2: a different party than the governor. Because it didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Fugate working for jab and worked for Obama, and he

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Speaker 1: might be arguably right like one of the you know,

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Speaker 1: the best advisors you can have in that era.

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Speaker 2: No what, one of the best of all time at

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Speaker 2: both at both levels. Those days I think are are

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Speaker 2: over now in Florida and and in politics. Look the

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Speaker 2: Trump folks, the Trump folks, you know, rumors that they

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Speaker 2: were looking at me for or for FEMA. I think

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Speaker 2: it probably worked out for both of us that we

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Speaker 2: didn't go down that route. But that look at this climate,

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Speaker 2: that would be an impossibility to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start there, because you know, I just got

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Speaker 1: off the phone with just a longtime friend of mine

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Speaker 1: he's an operative out in California, and we're basically having

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Speaker 1: an argument about the redistricting situation, right, which is and

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Speaker 1: it gets at this issue right here are we? Which is?

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Speaker 1: And of course, like each party thinks the other one

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Speaker 1: breaks the rules all the time, right, we know this, right,

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Speaker 1: there is this base of both so they so you

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Speaker 1: can convince yourself to break the rules because you think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like both It's like two of

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Speaker 2: my I have two boys, it's like both of my children.

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Speaker 2: When I hear crying and fighting up upstairs, it's who

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Speaker 2: hit who first?

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's exactly right. And then the question is

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Speaker 1: a gun fight and lose? Right? And that's the argument

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Speaker 1: he's making to me. And I'm like, well, if you

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Speaker 1: going to stand on principle? And I guess where are

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Speaker 1: You've got you're in your house, Democrat. The political environment's

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Speaker 1: stand on this? And especially look, I'm always so offended

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Speaker 1: by the by how redistricting has worked the state of

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Speaker 1: Florida that I'm just always wanting politicians out of this process.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of my instinct here. I understand the mindset

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Speaker 1: of Hey, if they're going to do ends justifies the means.

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Speaker 1: Why why shouldn't the Democrats? Where do you? Where are

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say as someone who for the twenty

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Speaker 2: when I see someone trying to start a fire, right

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Speaker 2: and this is my emergency mandment background, the idea is

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's where the base of the Democratic

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Speaker 2: base of the Democratic Party is right now is that

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Speaker 2: if there's if they're lighting a fire, don't grab water, Jared,

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Speaker 2: grab gasoline. Okay, make that fire bigger, burn it to

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Speaker 2: the ground. If they're going to burn it, we should

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Speaker 2: burn it. Don't talk to me about protecting democracy. Look

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Speaker 2: at this is not the democracy I want, don't go

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Speaker 2: protect it, shut it down, shut the government down, do

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Speaker 2: all of that. Jared. It's no longer about work together.

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Speaker 2: Why would you try to work together with them? Jared?

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Speaker 2: They don't want to work with you. Look at what

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Speaker 2: they are doing. And so I think there's been a

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Speaker 2: shift from us being the adults in the room, which

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Speaker 2: we are, the responsible folks in the room, which we are.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the base wants to hear that anymore

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Speaker 2: at all. They don't want to hear about norms. They

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I would go in a room and people would say, Jared,

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Speaker 2: you're not fighting hard enough. And I'm on TV all

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Speaker 2: the time, I fight and committee, and I would say, well,

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Speaker 2: what do you want me to do? Storm the Capitol

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Speaker 2: as a sarcastic joke, and like half the room would

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Speaker 2: be like, well have you tried?

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Speaker 1: It seemed to work for them, It was always you know,

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Speaker 1: going to change the Democrats. Has happened and we're watching

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Speaker 1: it now, which is, if you can't beat them, essentially

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Speaker 1: join them. It's so funny. Yesterday I just did this

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Speaker 1: right for independent redistricting commissions. And I just put a

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Speaker 1: If you're upset about voters being disenfranchised in Texas, why

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Speaker 1: is the answer to disenfranchised voters in California? And then

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Speaker 1: Rob Flaherty, who was the deputy campaign manager for Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: and he goes essentially made the argument you just said

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Speaker 1: cares about protecting the democracy essentially, you know. And he

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Speaker 1: wasn't like being angry. He wasn't like, I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: it as a personal attack. He was basically like, hey,

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Speaker 1: basically saying I've got I'm the one with the head

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Speaker 1: up his ass, right, Like I'm the naive guy here,

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Speaker 1: and and it sounds like that's the feedback you get.

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Speaker 1: And I just think the other district.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, chuck, I'm a moderate district, right, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't have a plus twenty. I got a plus two. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong. My general election voter isn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily there, but my primary voter is absolutely well, unequivocally there.

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Speaker 1: This is the conundrum for the party, right, is that

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Speaker 1: primary voters want a fighter and swing voters want a uniter.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can be both.

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Speaker 2: Well, Look, I try as much as I can. I

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Speaker 2: hit him in committee, I hit him online, and if

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Speaker 2: there's a bipartisan bill, I will vote for it. But

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Speaker 2: those folks that are there, whether they're d's, are ours,

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Speaker 2: they I now now have the dinosaurs feel right like?

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Speaker 2: That error, that error is coming to an end. It

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Speaker 2: is absolutely coming to it. And jerry mandering is going

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Speaker 2: to speed that up. Because five seats in Texas, five

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Speaker 2: seats in California, a couple in Florida, two in Ohio,

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Speaker 2: one in Indiana, one in Missouri. Now the twenty five

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Speaker 2: seats that we're always fighting over, now the twenty five

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Speaker 2: or fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, this is full on parliamentary national election now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, this is if you don't

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Speaker 2: think Congress functions. Now, I mean, just give it to

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Speaker 2: executive I don't care who's in charge. Basically, we'll get

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Speaker 1: So what do you do in a moment like this?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think for me, I've been doing this

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Speaker 2: since I was twenty five. I'm going to continue to

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Speaker 2: do what was right. I'm really guided by the shooting

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Speaker 2: that happened and Marjorie Stollman Douglas at my high school

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Speaker 2: in my backyard, when I saw government failed, the FBI failed,

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Speaker 2: school board failed, the braw Sheriff's office failed. Right, this

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Speaker 2: was a preventable event. Government failed, and kids and adults

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Speaker 2: to be honest, truck, I do what I think is right. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I obbaubly want to represent my voters, Okay, but I'm

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Speaker 2: still gonna do what I think is right. If the

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Speaker 2: two boys at home right behind that door, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll go back to them, like my life will go on.

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Speaker 2: If keeping my job is so important that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to lose who I've been, then so be it so

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Speaker 2: for me. You obviously, look at the climate you're in,

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Speaker 2: you adjust, you see where you're going, but you still

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Speaker 2: got to stay true. It's true to yourself. And that's

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Speaker 2: always been me. It's how I passed gun control in

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Speaker 2: a Republican legislature. We raise the age of twenty one.

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Speaker 2: After the shooting, we got red flag laws. I didn't

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Speaker 2: do that by lighting the Republicans on fire. I did

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Speaker 2: that by bringing them to the school, making them meet

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Speaker 2: with parents, trying to see that, Look, yes, we want

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Speaker 2: to protect the Second Amendment, but isn't there mitigation we

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Speaker 2: can do right to kind of lessen this problem. But

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Speaker 2: that way of thinking, Chuck is gone. Everything Trump touches

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Speaker 2: as bad, we can't, we can't work with him. And

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, he's deserving of all of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just look at the look at what's going

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Speaker 2: that you know, wasn't in any book of political science

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Speaker 2: I ever learned about.

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Speaker 1: Well, certainly not the version that you and I, you

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Speaker 1: and I grew up with, which you know, sometimes I

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Speaker 1: kind of wonder if we ended up growing up in

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Speaker 1: an outlier period of American history, meaning the Cold War

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Speaker 1: kept both parties more sober and then it you know,

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not. That's actually what we did in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Then we put hundreds of millions of dollars into mental health.

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Speaker 1: There's no reward for moving, Chuck, no reward.

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Speaker 2: to the Wigers on TikTok, Right, do you think any

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Speaker 2: of the kids in school know anything about the Wigers.

431
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: They know everything about Gaza, they know nothing about the Wigers.

432
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Speaker 2: They don't know that China's got a genocide going on

433
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Speaker 2: over there, right, scrubbed from the platform, Right, that's how

434
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Speaker 2: you do a syops operation.

435
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Speaker 1: Well, you just made the case to ban it.

436
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Speaker 2: I voted for It's why most of Congress voted for it.

437
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Speaker 2: To force the sale. You know, China's position on this

438
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Speaker 2: was interesting. They were like, no, no, we're not going

439
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Speaker 2: to sell it and make billions of dollars hundreds of billion.

440
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Speaker 1: To me, that's what was the tell. They were like,

441
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Speaker 1: we're going to make more money. Oh no, no, no,

442
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Speaker 1: we'd rather shut it down.

443
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Speaker 2: We'd rather shut it down, well, because we can't get

444
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Speaker 2: the source code, chuck, Because if we get the source code,

445
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Speaker 2: we can see what they've been doing.

446
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Speaker 1: Gets it to a larger, larger issue. I mean, look,

447
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Speaker 1: I am, I was reading an interesting piece talking about

448
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Speaker 1: young men and the issue of pornography right and these

449
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: and I think they've I've been glad to see it's

450
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Speaker 1: more red states than blue states. But as a parent

451
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Speaker 1: that trying to at least put some hurdles in pornography.

452
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Speaker 1: Shouldn't be so easy to get on the internet. Shouldn't

453
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Speaker 1: be so easy, And how it's really sort of really

454
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Speaker 1: negatively impacted the way young people interact, the way they date,

455
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Speaker 1: all of these things. And yet the First Amendments, the

456
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Speaker 1: First Amendment, what are some of the lines that you

457
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Speaker 1: think government could be doing more with here on a

458
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Speaker 1: federal level in order to sort of clean up this

459
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Speaker 1: social media mess.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't have a problem with the age of

461
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Speaker 2: verifications with pornography. That's fine. Age verifications are great. We

462
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Speaker 2: have to start trying to protect our kids right from

463
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Speaker 2: being just totally sold everything as soon as they get

464
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Speaker 2: onto the internet, right to be part of the grift

465
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Speaker 2: that has going. My kids are on YouTube, they're not

466
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Speaker 2: on TikTok okay, but man, are they getting pitched everything

467
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: at all days, at all seconds on YouTube, Like it

468
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Speaker 2: is crazy to.

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Speaker 1: Be careful of that recommendation algorithm.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean my son, and when he first started on YouTube,

472
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Speaker 1: he was just a baseball fan, just following that stuff.

473
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he's in Joe Rogan's podcast,

474
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Speaker 1: And when how did that happen?

475
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Speaker 2: It happens to you fast, It happens fast. I let

476
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Speaker 2: them on YouTube, not in their bedrooms. They got to

477
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Speaker 2: do it in the living room, so I can at

478
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Speaker 2: least hear some of the stuff. And I got to

479
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Speaker 2: be like, get off that. I have to sometimes delete

480
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Speaker 2: the app, try to reset the algorithms, try to clean

481
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Speaker 2: it up. So yeah, there is no doubt that I

482
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Speaker 2: think the majority of Americans would do something, and the

483
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Speaker 2: majority of elected officials would probably do something. But the

484
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Speaker 2: tech lobbyist strong Chuck.

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Speaker 1: The texture is no, it's it's replacing the healthcare industry

486
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Speaker 1: and the defense industry right now.

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Speaker 2: They're strong, no question they are. They are one hundred

488
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Speaker 2: percent stronger.

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that every one of these companies

490
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Speaker 1: has their own Washington office, the fact that these CEOs

491
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Speaker 1: have bought property in DC. You think they're doing it

492
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Speaker 1: because they like hanging out at the wharf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, I mean you don't think that the

494
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Speaker 2: fact that all the tech titans were at the inauguration,

495
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Speaker 2: sitting on stage with the president, that was a very

496
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Speaker 2: clear message to me, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: So what's the is Normally I would expect a populist

498
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Speaker 1: administration not to be in bed with some of these

499
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Speaker 1: big titans here, but it does seem I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think you and I both know the average American doesn't

501
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Speaker 1: want to be controlled by a corporation, and yet this

502
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Speaker 1: issue with big tech and how much influence they have

503
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Speaker 1: on us has actually been really hard to communicate to

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Speaker 1: the average voter. You know, I've tried to come up

505
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Speaker 1: with different ways, and it's clear, you know, theoretically the

506
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Speaker 1: voter's concerned about it, but I don't think people really

507
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Speaker 1: understand how it influences their day to day lives.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Chuck, it's it's like trying to get

509
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Speaker 2: a drug addict to stop taking drugs. Right. I mean,

510
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: we collectively, me included, so I'm not passing judgment and others,

511
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: we are addicted to this. Now. It's it is like smoking. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 2: I mean we are addicted. Okay, I mean you know,

513
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: it's tough to put the phone down. I deal with

514
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Speaker 2: it all the time. Trust me, I'm I'm doom scrolling

515
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: on Twitter too much. I'm just as guilty. Right, But

516
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Speaker 2: trying to protect the kids, I think should be a

517
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Speaker 2: separate conversation. Right. We all know it's not good. So

518
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Speaker 2: we all know what's not good for twelve year olds

519
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: and thirteen year olds having some age verifications, having some

520
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: restrictions with age limits, right, doing more in that space.

521
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Speaker 2: There should be some bipartisanship there among parents, right. But

522
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Speaker 2: if we don't, it's just it's just a win for China.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like if there's one area of bipartisan cooperation,

524
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Speaker 1: it is on this potentially. Right, This is something Marshall

525
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Speaker 1: Blackburn seems to care about. Right, So I mean, like

526
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Speaker 1: and Brian Shatz in the Senate, right, And you're not

527
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Speaker 1: going to get those two on the same on many

528
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Speaker 1: bills that are exactly uh yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take it's going to take action in Washington

530
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Speaker 2: because look, obviously there's parental responsibility. So my kids are

531
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Speaker 2: not allowed on it during the week they're allowed to

532
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: do it on the weekends, right, So that's my that's

533
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Speaker 2: our rule in the house, right, But their friends are

534
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Speaker 2: on it. I can't keep them totally away from it, right,

535
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Speaker 2: They're gonna they're left out. They still learn stuff from

536
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Speaker 2: other from other people, right, that stuff that's not on

537
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Speaker 2: their YouTube, but it's on their friends YouTube.

538
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Right.

539
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: So you can't put your kids in a cocoon. Right.

540
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: So this is going to take parents from both sides

541
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Speaker 2: to figure out, how do we protect our kids until

542
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Speaker 2: they're adults. How do we protect our kids from being

543
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Speaker 2: targets from companies or foreign governments who are very active

544
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Speaker 2: on all of these all of these platforms.

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Speaker 1: Let me shift slightly. It's actually related you brought you

546
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Speaker 1: alluded to it, and I have actually done some survey

547
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Speaker 1: work on this, which is if among eighteen to thirty

548
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Speaker 1: year olds, those that use TikTok have a much more

549
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: negative view about Israel than those that don't use TikTok.

550
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Speaker 1: The Democratic Party right now is Look, I always say

551
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Speaker 1: I'm pro Israel, and I don't like BBI okay, and

552
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm aligned with the majority of Israelis. And

553
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Speaker 1: to a lot of my friends on the laugh, they

554
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Speaker 1: sometimes don't even realize the majority of Israelis don't like

555
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: BB's policies right now and have real issues with it.

556
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Speaker 1: But it feels like that the Democratic Party as a

557
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: whole is losing the nuance on this issue.

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Speaker 2: Do you still look at one hundred percent? And obviously

559
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: we could do twelve hours on I know we could

560
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: on this issue alone. I mean, look, obviously, most Democrats

561
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: don't like the president, disagree with the president, hate president.

562
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Speaker 2: Most Democrats still love their country, you know. So, But

563
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: with Israel, it isn't just BB, it becomes the country.

564
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: It's different, and so look Israel, there is double and

565
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: triple standards. Right. We didn't get fed the genocide that

566
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Speaker 2: was committed in Syria. I didn't have any I didn't

567
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Speaker 2: have any kids talking to me about what Asad did

568
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Speaker 2: to his known people, or what's gone on in the

569
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Speaker 2: Sudan Okay, or what's gone on in other areas in Africa,

570
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Speaker 2: or like with the Wigers. I don't hear about any

571
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Speaker 2: of that. No one talks to me about it. And

572
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying what isn't going on in Gaza isn't horrific,

573
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Speaker 2: It's terrible, Okay. I want the war to end. I

574
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Speaker 2: want the hostages out, I want everybody fed. I want

575
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Speaker 2: everyone fed, Yes, I want everyone fed.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to I'd be in favor of sending

577
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Speaker 1: in the Marines to feed everybody while we dealt with this.

578
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Speaker 2: Correct. I mean, you know, I'm all for that, correct,

579
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But the reason why there are protests

580
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Speaker 2: in the street on this issue you and not the

581
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Speaker 2: other problems. First, I mean, how many people have died

582
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Speaker 2: in the Ukraine Russian War? A million plus people have

583
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Speaker 2: died there, over a million. There's fifty thousand kids that

584
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: have been kidnapped there. Okay, do you see any protests

585
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: in the screen on that, Chuck, No, Because what's happening

586
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: is the Chinese, the Russians, the grifters, the Katari's right.

587
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: They want to bog America down in this problem. They

588
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Speaker 2: want to get us divided. This is an easy target.

589
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: The Russians don't like that we're in Ukraine. The Chinese

590
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Speaker 2: don't like really anything that we do or our pre

591
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Speaker 2: position on Taiwan. Right, Sell this to the next generation,

592
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Speaker 2: Sell this to the American people.

593
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Speaker 1: Way, what are the Chinese doing for the Gazans? Have

594
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Speaker 1: you figured that out?

595
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Speaker 2: I know what they're doing it for the Gozens? Zero yeah, right,

596
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: so are the Russians zero. Okay, but but this is

597
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Speaker 2: something that has been completely weaponized. But when I didn't

598
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Speaker 2: want to be clear when I say that this has

599
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Speaker 2: been weaponized, I don't want to minimize the suffering that

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Speaker 2: is going on in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is this is our problem with our politics

602
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Speaker 1: is that nobody can handle that two things can be

603
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Speaker 1: true at the same time.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, That's correct. I can't say I support Israel,

605
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Speaker 2: right and then not be called genocide Jared, which is

606
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Speaker 2: what I get called. I get screamed at, right. I mean,

607
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: my grandparents all escape the Holocaust. Right. You know what's

608
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: going on in Gaza is a war. Okay.

609
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Speaker 1: Irai is mortified by what's happening in Gaza and is

610
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Speaker 1: highly critical of Bbing, you know. And that's that's what

611
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Speaker 1: really frustrates me, is that there are people on the left.

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Speaker 1: I don't unders you know, you know who's the you

613
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Speaker 1: know who's more has pained about this. A large chunk

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Speaker 1: of the Jewish committee in this world.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, listen, even some of the most pro Israel

616
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Speaker 2: Jews that I know, and you're talking to one of them, right,

617
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: look at what they did with Hesbelah, brilliant well executed.

618
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Speaker 2: Look at what they did with the Iranians, brilliant well executed.

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Speaker 2: Look at Gaza and say, those don't look alike. There's

620
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Speaker 2: no strategy, there's no endgame, right, what is going on here? Okay?

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Speaker 2: You know this idea that we're just going to pick

622
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Speaker 2: up a million Gosms and move them to the Congo

623
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Speaker 2: is never going to happen, right, and so these right

624
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: wing elements of Ben Gavie and Smoltrich. I mean, the

625
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: damage they're causing to the Jewish community around the world

626
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Speaker 2: is not just existential, it may be permanent for the

627
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Speaker 2: remainder of my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's this generational. You're right. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I always said, look, I my father wasn't Jewish, my

630
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Speaker 1: mother's Jewish. Obviously I'm Jewish. I raised my kids Jewish,

631
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Speaker 1: but my last name didn't automatically doesn't automatically send a

632
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Speaker 1: signal that maybe I'm Jewish or not, And maybe I

633
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Speaker 1: hid in plain sight. Sometime around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen,

634
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Speaker 1: boyd you know, suddenly it was the first time I

635
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Speaker 1: have a friend of mine and I both said this.

636
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Speaker 1: He's a little bit old than I am. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, my mom would tell me stories about anti Semitism.

638
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, really, mom, that really happened, you know,

639
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Speaker 1: be the fifties. I was like, come on, you know,

640
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Speaker 1: so we're not that way anymore. And then all of

641
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the way the last five years have gone,

642
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, every story my mother told me about

643
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Speaker 1: her her days is like the only Jewish family in

644
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Speaker 1: a Midwestern town. Yeah, I get it. I see it.

645
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Speaker 1: And it took a generation to clean that up. And

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Speaker 1: I guess here we go again.

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Speaker 2: No, Chuck, it's happening again. My grandmother is part of

648
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Speaker 2: the kinder transport out of Berlin. Her parents were killed

649
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: in Auschwitz. It's happening again. What was happening on college campuses?

650
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: They'd see a Jewish student, they would just see a

651
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Speaker 2: Jewish star. He wasn't Israeli, they didn't know if he

652
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Speaker 2: supported bb He maybe against against net and Yahoo. But

653
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Speaker 2: they circled him, assaulted and kept him from going to

654
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Speaker 2: class because he's just Jewish. Right, they're vandalizing Jewish stores,

655
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Speaker 2: you know, holding up a sign at the protest go

656
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Speaker 2: back to Poland. That doesn't really sound like you have

657
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: a problem with the net in Yahoo administration. So people say, hey,

658
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Speaker 2: can you be anti Zionists without being anti Semitic? And

659
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Speaker 2: I would say, in theory, you could, But most of

660
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: this movement is just not. They're conflating the two things.

661
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Speaker 2: One of my constituents is being sentenced tomorrow, okay, because

662
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Speaker 2: he tried to kill me all over Israel right target

663
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Speaker 2: practicing in his backyard, had a manifesto. I was the target.

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Speaker 2: He was googling where my wife worked, what temple I

665
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Speaker 2: belonged to. He had a rifle, a sniper, a scope,

666
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Speaker 2: a vest, unlimited rounds of ammunition. He was a former felon.

667
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Speaker 2: The only reason we knew about this is because when

668
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Speaker 2: he was target practicing in his backyard, his neighbor called

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Speaker 2: the police and he was arrested because he was a

670
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Speaker 2: former felon. Otherwise not on the radar, totally targeted just

671
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Speaker 2: because of my positions on Israel. Okay, this is not

672
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Speaker 2: an isolated story. I have police in front of my

673
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Speaker 2: house twenty four hours a day now. Other members are

674
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Speaker 2: experiencing this, and other members see this and say, oh,

675
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Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen to me. So they're

676
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Speaker 2: totally silent. Totally silent.

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Speaker 1: Look, this is equivalent. This is exactly what's happened with

678
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: MAGA and Republicans. You know, there's a couple of Republican

679
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: senators during the whole Pete Hegseth controversy, and there was

680
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: there was a majority not to confirm him, and then

681
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Speaker 1: there were threats, literal threats, protests against the life of staffers.

682
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: In the world of Joany Ernst family members of Tom Tellis.

683
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: I heard all sorts of stories about the two of

684
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Speaker 1: them being targeted, and they both caved. And here's the thing.

685
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Speaker 1: I don't begrudge them caving. I get it right, they

686
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: have people are being harassed that didn't get elected office,

687
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: and so you feel protected. You feel like you've got

688
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Speaker 1: to protect your family, You feel like you should protect those. Hey,

689
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: they didn't sign up for this, I did type of thing,

690
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Speaker 1: So I understand. I'm sorry they couldn't stand up to

691
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Speaker 1: the to the moment, but I have empathy for what

692
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Speaker 1: they were. They were trying to in some ways thinking

693
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Speaker 1: they were protecting their own families or their own friends.

694
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Speaker 1: But this is this is what happens, right when intimidation

695
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Speaker 1: over time, then all of a sudden, all principles are going.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, listen right back to your whole point

697
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Speaker 2: about how Trump is affecting the Democrats. You were worried

698
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: about that. Trump has changed the whole thing, right, So, yes,

699
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: he intimidation politics. Right when people view what Trump is

700
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: doing in his success, intimidation politics works. So they're just

701
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: doing their intimidation politics on their issue and it is

702
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: absolutely having an effect on what can get done in Congress.

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00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: What can't that get done in Congress? Whether you communicate

704
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: on something, whether you stay silent, whether you avoid a

705
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: target on your back, and whether you cave. I mean,

706
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: by the way, there is lots of caving going on

707
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Speaker 2: on a bunch of issues because of intimidation politics.

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Speaker 1: Republican Democrat, I'm curious what kind of outreach do you

709
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Speaker 1: get from Netnyahu's government, because it's clear to me they've

710
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: really messed this up, right they You know, I think

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Speaker 1: what Bibe did during the Obama years is he you know,

712
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Speaker 1: he drove a bigger wedge inside the Democratic Party in

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Speaker 1: this issue.

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Speaker 2: No doubt that, no doubt that.

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Speaker 1: Simply he he is the cause of this problem. He

716
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Speaker 1: is one of the he's part of the root cause

717
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: here and now you've got a majority of the country

718
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Speaker 1: that doesn't want to send give aid right now Israel.

719
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Speaker 1: And that's all due to Bebe's leadership.

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Speaker 2: Do you the majority of the Democrats, a majority of

721
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Speaker 2: the Democrats in the sense and a.

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Speaker 1: Big third way a chunk of third of Republicans Democratic

723
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Speaker 1: primary voters. But it's not like it's he's got unanimous

724
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: support on the right either.

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Speaker 2: No, that what's going on in the right is a

726
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Speaker 2: new thing. Right, you know, the Republicans used to be

727
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Speaker 2: able to point out Democrats and say they're an anti

728
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Speaker 2: Isra party. But now there's this, there's this movement on

729
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: the right, you know, Tucker Carlson, Right, you know, there's

730
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Speaker 2: a roll.

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Speaker 1: There's please you know, as I joke, when I hear

732
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Speaker 1: the words populism, as a Jew, I run for cover

733
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: because populism has been you know, somehow the Jews are

734
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Speaker 1: always targeted when the rise of populism, whether it's on

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Speaker 1: the left or the right.

736
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the usual conspiracy theories are all back. But

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Speaker 2: I I would tell you, look, the majority of people

738
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Speaker 2: in Congress are still very pro Israel Israel, but there

739
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: is a shift coming in the Democratic Party. There is

740
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Speaker 2: a shift coming in the voter in twenty six, and

741
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Speaker 2: there'll be a shift coming on the voter in twenty eight.

742
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Speaker 2: It will be a shift to.

743
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Speaker 1: The an actual voting issue, because I'm not convinced it is,

744
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: but we're going to find out.

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00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's a voting issue like you

746
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Speaker 2: go to the ballot box.

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00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to vote right a true one issue like

748
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Speaker 1: abortion and guns. We know there are voters that will say,

749
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm voting on this issue first and

750
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Speaker 1: everything else is secondary for me.

751
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Speaker 2: But the people will be treated differently by the base

752
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Speaker 2: when they're trying to run a primary in twenty eight.

753
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Speaker 2: Let's just say, okay, everyone's going to try to out

754
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: left themselves on this particular issue, especially Chuck. If the

755
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Speaker 2: war is still going on, God forbid. Yeah, okay, if

756
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: this is still fresh, if this is still going on,

757
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: we're going to eat ourselves alive. And the replies I

758
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: got to sit back and watch.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious about. Does the net Yahoo government

760
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Speaker 1: get that hey at some point, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, Chuck. I'm not. I'm not sure that they. Oh,

762
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: I think they've seen the shift in the policy. Are

763
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: now worried about AID. The question is do they care? Oh, okay,

764
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: that's a second question. Okay. No one can deny some

765
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: of the decisions that they've made. We can debate whether

766
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: it was good or bad for Israel, but it's definitely

767
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: not been good for Jews around the world. We can

768
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Speaker 2: debate why that's happened, and who's weaponized that, and who's

769
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: taking advantage and is there a double triple standard? And

770
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Speaker 2: is this the same old thing that's happened for thousands

771
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Speaker 2: of years. We can debate that. To the cows come

772
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: home home. Okay, But but but there's no doubt that

773
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Speaker 2: the net Yahoo government didn't care about the pr perception

774
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Speaker 2: of this. They were focused on the war on the ground,

775
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Speaker 2: and they didn't realize that there was a war for

776
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Speaker 2: hearts and minds online. And by the time they realized it,

777
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Speaker 2: they lost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it?

779
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Speaker 2: You know?

780
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Speaker 1: I said this to a friend of mine. He sort

781
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Speaker 1: of laughed and he sort of agreed. Which is Israel

782
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Speaker 1: in America have one thing in common. They have unpopular

783
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Speaker 1: leaders that they don't know how to get rid of.

784
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Speaker 2: Well, ours will eventually be gone. He's got three and

785
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: a half years left. Okay, But who knows what's going

786
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Speaker 2: on in Israel. I don't know how what's the timeline

787
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Speaker 2: on at Yahu till his government collapses, till the war

788
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: is over? When's that?

789
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Speaker 1: Well, every time his government collapse he goes further to

790
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: the right and finds it way back in. I just

791
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: don't know how much further to the right he can go.

792
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, look, there's been shifts over there, right,

793
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Speaker 2: I mean there has been shifts. October seventh moved them

794
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Speaker 2: further to the right.

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Speaker 1: No, the majority of Israelis are no longer in favor

796
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: of the two state solution, are they.

797
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: I guess what, Chuck? After nine to eleven? Which direction

798
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: did we move? Did we move to the left? No,

799
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Speaker 2: we moved to the right. We instituted the Patriot Act? Yeah, okay,

800
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Speaker 2: So this is what happens when countries are attacked in

801
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Speaker 2: large scale events. Okay. Remember Hamas's goal here. Hamas's goal

802
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: isn't to win the war, Okay, it's to destroy Israel.

803
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: If that if they if Hamas destroys themselves and Israel

804
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Speaker 2: at the same time, mission accomplished. I know, mission accomplished.

805
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: No, they're ntilists.

806
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Israel looked at this. Israel looked at this

807
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: like we got to win on the ground, We got

808
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: to beat them on the ground. And Hamas was playing

809
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 2: up here like, yeah, we're losing. You know, Hamas doesn't

810
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: care what the Palestinians, They don't care how many people.

811
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Speaker 2: It's just it's new material for Hamas to sell out there.

812
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Speaker 2: They want that were Israel's falling into their propaganda hands.

813
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Speaker 2: And it's just it's been unfortunate to watch.

814
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Speaker 1: All Right. You predicted we could go on and on

815
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Speaker 1: on this issue, and I think both of us could

816
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: keep going. But I did promise I try to keep

817
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Speaker 1: you here in less than an hour. So I want

818
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Speaker 1: to end with the state of Florida politics, the state

819
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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party and Florida. How much of this

820
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Speaker 1: is a voter shift and how much of this is

821
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Speaker 1: a lack of investment and leadership in the state party.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, Chuck, there's not one thing that has gone

823
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: wrong to get us here, Okay. Obviously, you know, being

824
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: at a power for thirty years hard to raise money, okay,

825
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: which helps with voter turnout. You know, if when you're

826
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Speaker 2: not empowered helps with you know, quality of candidates. Tallahassee

827
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: is not like a great place to go to. Not

828
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Speaker 2: easy to get to, especially when the Democratic base is

829
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Speaker 2: from the South. Okay. But at the same time, I

830
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: think you really got to look at COVID. COVID was

831
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Speaker 2: a seminal moment in politics. You know, even though we

832
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: had more Democrats in Florida, registered Democrats in Florida, you know,

833
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: when Rick Scott got elected, when to say this got

834
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: elected with Jim Bush got elected, when Charlie Chriss got elected,

835
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: we still had more Democrats, but we were still electing

836
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Speaker 2: Republican governors. Okay, now there are one point two million

837
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: more registered Republicans. It's starting to get to a point

838
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Speaker 2: that it's not recoverable, at least not in the short term. Okay.

839
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Speaker 2: But I think COVID was a big piece of it.

840
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I think COVID was a big piece and I was there,

841
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Speaker 2: I was involved in it. On on on the other side,

842
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: I think, and I.

843
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Speaker 1: Have how did Joe Biden only lose by three points?

844
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Speaker 2: Then? How did you only lose it?

845
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: He lost Florida in twenty twenty by just three points?

846
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, as Joe Biden would say, don't

847
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Speaker 2: judge me against the Almighty, judge me against the alternative.

848
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Speaker 2: And so twenty twenty, right, we were still mid COVID, okay,

849
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Speaker 2: and you know, people wanted to change. They wanted to change, right,

850
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: and so that was a mood politic. Meanwhile, Ronda Stantis

851
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: won his reelection in Florida by nineteen points and Donald

852
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: Trump and Donald Trump has won Florida by thirteen points. Yeah, okay.

853
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: So the policies that came out of COVID, closing of schools,

854
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Speaker 2: the fact that Florida opened schools early because the data

855
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: was clear it wasn't spreading in schools, right, that's a

856
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Speaker 2: big piece, Chuck, I mean, and I was telling my

857
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Speaker 2: Democratic colleagues, like, guys read the data. Like I would

858
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: sit at a conference table with the governor. We'd be

859
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: reading the data from Denmark, right, and Germany and Europe

860
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: because they were ahead of us and it was clear

861
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't spreading in the schools. Okay. And I said

862
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: to my Democratic colleagues, I'm like, when we open schools,

863
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be very popular when you guys come

864
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: out and tell parents you want to keep their kids

865
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: in the house for another year. Okay, I'm telling you

866
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: this is where this is going. And none of my

867
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: colleagues wanted to hear it, Chuck, None of them wanted

868
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: to hear.

869
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Is that the power of the teachers union that would

870
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: would you ascribe it to that?

871
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Or is it just part it's part teachers union, part

872
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: teachers union part. Also, we were at a point of

873
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: polarization that if DeSantis wanted to open government, I had

874
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: to be open schools. Then I had to be against it.

875
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: Then I had to be against it. You know, things

876
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: had become so toxic at that point, and so I

877
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: don't know what the future, the future of the Democratic

878
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: Party holds in Florida. Democrats had powered Florida for one

879
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: hundred plus years. We are thirty five years into Republican rule.

880
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: We may be here for another seventy so. But right now,

881
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: right now, there's systemic This is a red state. It's

882
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: a systemic red state. There was no repercussion for Republicans

883
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: when they passed the abortion ban. Okay, there was no

884
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: repercussion for Republicans when they didn't legalize marijuana. There's been

885
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: no repercussion for the Republicans on anything they have done politically,

886
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: all the social issues, all the attacking of the LGBTQ community,

887
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: no political consequences, Chuck, So I.

888
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Guess the question, well, and that's just are there no

889
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: consequences there is there's not a good opposition, or are

890
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: there no consequences because there there's just more more supporters

891
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: than opposition, all of it, Yeah, all of it.

892
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: There's more supporters in opposition the opposition. You know, because

893
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: we've been in the desert so long, can't figure you

894
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: know which way is up? Okay, we fight amongst ourselves.

895
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: Democrats are excellent at that. Like, you know, Democrats are

896
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: having policy fights. Republicans are not having policy fights, right,

897
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: they're having personality fights.

898
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: They had a big fight. I mean, you know, it

899
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: is funny you say that, but I look at you know,

900
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: the rules of party politics for decades, where the party

901
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: that's divided in a primary usually loses a general. And frankly,

902
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: in sixteen it was just the opposite. Rightublicans looked like

903
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: they were totally divided, and all that did is that device.

904
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: It's why I actually think the Democrats could use a

905
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: big public fight. This is healthy, have it go. You know,

906
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: I worry that actually debates being stifled a little bit

907
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: because of part of it has to do with social media.

908
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: Where only the leftists got the loudest voice on social media.

909
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: So anybody that's not from that wing of the party.

910
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem. The moderates aren't in the fight, Chuck. Yeah,

911
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: the moderates aren't in the fight because they're not paying attention.

912
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: They're a general election voter, they're not a primary voter.

913
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: So there are in a primary voter. Those people don't

914
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: have voices, they don't want to participate, They got their

915
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: own lives, they're doing other stuff. And so that public

916
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: fight that you're talking about isn't going to happen, okay.

917
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: And so all I'm saying is that even if we

918
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: had the public fight, could we then coalesce? Could we coalesce?

919
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: Could we come back? A lot of people stayed home

920
00:47:53,560 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: on Harris, didn't vote for Harris.

921
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Let me give you a riddle that Dan Pfeiffer tweeted.

922
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: He said in twenty twenty eight, he was talking about

923
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: the Mom Donnie primary in New York and he was

924
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of moderates uncomfortable supporting Mam Donnie.

925
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: And his argument was to these moderates why they had

926
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: to support Mom Donnie. And his argument was this, if

927
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: if a moderate wins the Democratic primary for president in

928
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: twenty eight, let's say it's Shapiro or Bashir, there's going

929
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: to be an expectation that the progressives get on board.

930
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: And if a progressive wind should the should the same

931
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: rule go the other way? What do you say to that?

932
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: What do you say to Pfiffer in that sort of

933
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: line of thinking.

934
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: I would say, I was at the convention for Hillary

935
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: when the Bernie people bowed her. I was there, So

936
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: this is this is not a news thing, right, Okay,

937
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: all right, That's what I would say, Like, let's go

938
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: backwards a little bit, okay, And yes, we always say

939
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: to the progressives, you gotta get on board with a moderate,

940
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: and they always bitch and complain and throw it in

941
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: our face, isn't it. That's fine? Okay? But you know,

942
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: when it came time to trying to beat Donald Trump, okay,

943
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: and maybe they didn't understand the existential threat that he was. Okay,

944
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: a lot of the Burnie people weren't on board, Chuck right,

945
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: they weren't. They weren't on board. And so you know,

946
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: and that's a question that Democrats have to ask themselves.

947
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: Do they want purity or do they want power? Republicans

948
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: have made that decision. They want power. Power is the

949
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: only thing that matter. In fact, Republicans tell me all

950
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: the time, Jared, you should try it. Sometimes it's great, okay,

951
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: But but Democrats seem like we want purity. We want purity, right,

952
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: don't We don't want power, And that's gonna be something

953
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to decide in twenty six and twenty eight.

954
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: Do we want to win the House? Do we want

955
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: to make Hakkeen Jeffrey speaker or do we want to

956
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: nitpick some of the things we don't like about Hakim

957
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: or the left doesn't like about Hakim? Okay? Do we

958
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: want to win in twenty eight or do we want

959
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: someone who's so pure they're not electable. I mean, these

960
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: are decisions that we're gonna have to make. That doesn't

961
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: mean you pick the most right leaning Democrat. That's not

962
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: what I'm advocating. What I'm advocating is is electability the

963
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: only thing that matters. And I think at this point

964
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: the Republicans have made that decision. It's power. Get everybody

965
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: in line to win power. If this is the way

966
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: we got to go to win, then that's what we're

967
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: going to do to win, period, and Democrats we're having

968
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: all these wonderful policy debates. We got our hie charts

969
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: and our grats, and we're going to send out talking

970
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: points with eighteen things on it that nobody reads. Okay.

971
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: Trump is selling blenders, he's throwing in free shipping, Chuck. Okay,

972
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: and we have we have lost it. There are people

973
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: who know how to communicate, right, Like I don't necessarily

974
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: agree with everything on AOC, but brilliant communicator, she knows

975
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: how to do.

976
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: It's really good.

977
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with mom. Donnie, brilliant communicator, knows

978
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: how to community. He had three things he sold people,

979
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: three things. That was it? Three and it was repetition,

980
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: similar to Trump. Remember, no collusion, no collusion, no collusion.

981
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: I had breakfast this morning, No collusion. Milania is beautiful.

982
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: No collusion, no collusion, no collusion. Over and over and

983
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: over again. This is this is how political communication works. Now.

984
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: I have students that come up to me and they're like, oh, Jared,

985
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: I want to run for Congress. I am studying political science.

986
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: I say, drop political science, go study commun ye, go

987
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: study communication. You need to learn how to communicate. If

988
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: you don't know how to communicate in today's politics, then

989
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: good luck to you. It's the communicators that are going

990
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: to rise on and know how to sell the package

991
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: to the American people.

992
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: There is a US Senate seat that is up in

993
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Your name's been floated. Uh are you

994
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: looking at it? And if not, why not?

995
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: Well, what I would say is, I'm not looking at it.

996
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: I'm looking at reelection. But if for some reason Republicans

997
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: decide to do all the jerrymandering and decide to set

998
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: me free from my district, perhaps then I would look

999
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: at it. Chuck, So I'm.

1000
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: Not looking are you assuming you're going to get targeted?

1001
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm absolutely going to get targeted. I mean my districts.

1002
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: The closest in the state is Palm Beach.

1003
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean I've sort of been watching Palm Beach.

1004
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1005
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: There's always been this idea that the three counties or

1006
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: these rock blue counties, and of course, guess what, Miami

1007
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Dade has gone the other way. It's probably pretty much

1008
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty county, maybe slightly leaning right right

1009
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: now versus left, but it's right. It really is a

1010
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: center right down the middle county. At the moment, Broward

1011
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: is still a pretty rock solid Democratic county. Palm Beach

1012
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: I would assume that the more sort of the magnet

1013
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: of Trump has had some impact in shifting your Palm

1014
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: Beach constituency a little bit to the right. Is that

1015
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: is that the case?

1016
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: Not some impact? Major impact? It's okay. It started again

1017
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: with COVID New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Chicago came down

1018
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: to Florida. Republicans. Republicans moved here. Okay, you can see

1019
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: it just in the price of real estate. Quite frankly so.

1020
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: Boca Ratone used to be a Democratic town. It's now

1021
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: a Republican town. I've lost Pokratone twice Noble to my elections.

1022
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a rock solid decount d town forever.

1023
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: Republished Republican town. And I'm not losing Boca by a point.

1024
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm losing Boca by six or seven points. Wow. Now,

1025
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm a moderate dam who's pro Israel.

1026
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: Pro Israel. I was just gonna say that should have

1027
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: been that should be just, that should have been an

1028
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: eighty five percent number for you.

1029
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: It's there, But it's tough, Chuck. When DeSantis is winning

1030
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: by nineteen points, and Trump's winning by thirteen points. Those

1031
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: are headwinds and people are just voting down ticket. The

1032
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: fact that I'm outperforming Democrats by five points, I'm outperforming

1033
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: them in Parkland, where I'm fromt I outperform commonly here

1034
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: by nine points. Parkland's a republican town, is always voted

1035
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: for Republicans, has always been a republican town. The northern part.

1036
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: Of the mistern Broward has always been a bit more

1037
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: conservative than than closer to the coast. Right, No, it's

1038
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: the other way. The coast is, the coast is republican.

1039
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: Okay, the coast, the coast is Republican. And so what

1040
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: what I think they'll try to do is they're going

1041
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: to try to take the district more north. Give me,

1042
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: give me del.

1043
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: Ray Palm Beach, Yeah, had a huge Haitian population. Is

1044
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: that that that further north?

1045
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: Further north, that's where that I don't know that I'll

1046
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: go that north. But look, I think there are probably

1047
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: ways that they can take my D plus two you know,

1048
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: to a to a zero. Right, they start to do

1049
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: other stuff, they're gonna get they're gonna start getting in

1050
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: the way.

1051
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: And it's going to become a plight between Schumer and

1052
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: Jeffries for you. What's that It's going to be a

1053
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: fight between Schumer and Jeffries for you because Jeffries is

1054
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: going to want you to run because you're probably the

1055
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: only d that can win if they if they if

1056
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: they redo your district.

1057
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, I actually hope we don't get there.

1058
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: I actually hope that I'm running for your election. They

1059
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: don't mess with fair districts and violate the Constitution. And

1060
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: then I helped to make HAKEM. Jeffrey Speaker because no

1061
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 2: offense to Chuck Schumer flipping Senate versus flipping the House.

1062
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: Different Democrats have to get a wing of government back.

1063
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: We have. We have to for two reasons, one for

1064
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: the country too. If we don't win in twenty six,

1065
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what will we left of the party.

1066
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, it is a it is It is

1067
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: pretty bleak. If somehow Democrats don't win anything in the

1068
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: mid terms of.

1069
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: Twenties, well, Republicans are doing a great job jack with

1070
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: jerrymandering in that if they take to if California doesn't happen,

1071
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: and look, I've always been four independent commissions Okay, back

1072
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: to her, what should we do? Should we respond or

1073
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: should we send? In our principle, I think what Gavin

1074
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: Newsom is doing is correct.

1075
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: You have to he's going to the voters. I mean,

1076
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: I do think that California is different than these other places.

1077
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: I think they now the voter. They have to, but

1078
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: I actually think that deserves that's at least a small

1079
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: d democratic way of fighting back. He's got to make

1080
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: his case to the voters in order to do this.

1081
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: No, no, But if that doesn't happen, Let's say the

1082
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: voters voted down. Let's say they reject it and Texas

1083
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: gets their five, and it's two in Ohio, and it's

1084
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: one in Missouri, and it's and it's one in Indiana.

1085
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: We're at nine now, okay, and they do two or

1086
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: three in Florida, right, and it's eleven seats, now twelve seats.

1087
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: Now, I mean, you can win the national popular vote

1088
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: and still not getting.

1089
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: Up that that that that's that's correct. And so that's

1090
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: why we have no choice but to do this. It's

1091
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 2: not the game we wanted to play, but we have

1092
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: to play the game. We cannot unilaterally disarm. Understand, in

1093
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: our Laurels. It's an unfortunate situation, Okay. I like the

1094
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: president's position. By the way, it's just and he gets

1095
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: away with it. Texas, give me five seats. California, I'm

1096
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: going to sue you for what you're doing.

1097
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: It's you know, I'd love to understand the psyche of our,

1098
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: of of of the American public on this, because if

1099
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: Joe Biden behaved the exact same way, oh, forget it,

1100
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: there had been the twenty fifth I think the twenty

1101
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: fifth Amendment might have been in voked.

1102
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: Forget it. Remember when Trump said I could shoot someone

1103
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: in Fifth Avenue get away with it. We thought that

1104
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: was just like an odd Wait man, did he really early, early,

1105
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: early understand the following that he had and could get away?

1106
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he just he knew it. He got away

1107
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: with it. And and that has been I mean, what

1108
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: is there anything I mean, even sure the Epstein stuff

1109
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: maybe for the first time right challenged his base, but

1110
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, Chuck, it's kind of gone right. I mean,

1111
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: they moved her, they moved her.

1112
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: My god, they manufactured something to release. It was actually

1113
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: weirdly brilliant. I'm gonna send my personal lawyer who now

1114
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: has works for the government to interview you. And oh,

1115
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: by the way, before we do the interview, let's openly

1116
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: talk about the pardon and a commutation.

1117
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: Chuck. It wasn't it's nice, it was it was.

1118
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: It was quite reason that don't.

1119
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: Looked good at necessary? Is Brillian? I look at it

1120
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: as totally predictable. Remember the most parent, most transparent administration

1121
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: in American history. How do we be transparent. Let's go

1122
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: create a record that will then release, right, and we're

1123
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: not going to pardon her now, but we'll tell her,

1124
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: we'll move her, we'll give her on work release, and

1125
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: then we'll tell her wink wink, if you play along,

1126
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: that's how you get your pardon. Okay, I mean this

1127
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: is this is easy to figure out. We were going

1128
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: this direction. But again, yeah, it looks like he got

1129
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: away with it.

1130
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: It does at some point. I don't think voters like

1131
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: to be lied to, right and don't like to be

1132
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: treated like stooges.

1133
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, but he's not on the baut at, Chuck,

1134
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: He's not on the ballut anymore. I mean that's why

1135
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: when people say to me, like he's never leaving, he's

1136
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: running for tenths term he'll be one hundred and fifty. Right,

1137
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: He's acting like a guy who knows he's not up

1138
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: for it.

1139
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: Know, I agree with that. I'm glad you said that

1140
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: he's fumba lueizing this a little bit. I complete, I

1141
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: weirdly think, and in fact, there's a part of me

1142
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: that wonders, is he's starting to see his mortality right

1143
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: He's staring mortality clearly is not very healthy right now,

1144
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: and suddenly that is motivating him to say, well, throwing

1145
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: all caution out the window.

1146
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean there used to be. I'm going

1147
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 2: to get a plane from Qatar. What are you gonna

1148
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: do about it? I'm not on the I'm not on

1149
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: the ballot again. I'm gonna build a bull ballroom. I'm

1150
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: going to paint over the rose garden. What are you

1151
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 2: going to do about it? I'm not on the ballot again.

1152
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to paint the whole Oval office gold because

1153
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: guess what, you can't do anything about it. I'm not

1154
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: on the ballot again. It just I'm going to put

1155
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: troops here. I'm going to do this. I'm going to

1156
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: do that. I'm not going to be held accountable because

1157
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: one I'm not on the ballot, and two I have immunity.

1158
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: Look, I've kept you past an hour, and I promised

1159
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: your staff I would keep this under an out and

1160
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: I had to say.

1161
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: One more thing, Chuck before we go.

1162
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: Ease?

1163
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: Can we just talked really quickly about what the administration

1164
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: has done to FEMA because I think it's really important

1165
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: for your list.

1166
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm looked this was going to be absolutely I'm petrified

1167
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: if a hurricane. Let's let's put it in real war terms.

1168
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: We are, we are two days away. We're taping right

1169
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: now in August twenty eighth. When this rolls next week,

1170
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: it'll be September. You know, I look at the calendar.

1171
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: My mother wished me a happy Andrew Anniversary on the

1172
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: twenty fourth. We know to on the twenty ninth is

1173
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: our Katrina anniversary. We know it's Florida. The likelihood there's

1174
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: what's gonna What is the FEMA response going to look

1175
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: like in October if a major storm hits South Florida.

1176
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: So let me say this. When Trump said FEMA needed reform,

1177
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the emergency management industry said, he's right.

1178
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: FEMA does need reform because it doesn't work in homeland

1179
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: Homeland has stifled it. It can't move fast. Homeland has

1180
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: it doing grants that it shouldn't be doing. Okay, and

1181
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: people booked about.

1182
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: Reforming Homeland just the DHS, Department of Homeland Security, Partment of.

1183
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: Homeland Security correct. And this has been something that previous

1184
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: FEMA administrators have said, Democrat and Republican. The last three,

1185
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: in fact, have said, we're dying in Homeland. You got

1186
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: to get that.

1187
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: I should it go? Would you just make it independent or.

1188
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: It was an independent agency before or would you put it? Look,

1189
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: it was an independent agency beforehand. So if you couldn't

1190
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: make an independent agency, I don't know you could put

1191
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: it in the National Security Council. I don't know that

1192
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 2: putting in the Pentagon, another giant bureaucracy helps the agency.

1193
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: But if you want to make it faster, right, you

1194
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: want to make response faster, that's a good goal, not

1195
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: what NOME has done. What NOME has done is actually

1196
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: the opposite. It's slower, it's more efficient. Now we don't

1197
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: have enough people. Everything that's that it was one hundred

1198
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars has to come to her so she can

1199
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: know where the money is going. That slowed down the

1200
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: response in Texas. The idea that we didn't put the

1201
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: swift water rescue crews on the road for three days, Chuck,

1202
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: I never heard anything in my life in emergency management.

1203
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: Everything we've ever learned. Put them on the road, mobilize

1204
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: and move them from the Omaha district, move them from

1205
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: the New Orleans district. I mean the director of that

1206
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: program resigned days later because his people shoudn't move totally. Crazy.

1207
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: Where do we stand. Here's where we stand, Chuck. If

1208
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: you had a Category four or five storm building to Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia,

1209
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: they're in big trouble. South Carolina, North Carolina, they're in

1210
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: big trouble. Their state em departments cannot handle the logistics

1211
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: without FEMA. Then let's talk about the money expedited reimbursement.

1212
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: They used to send money down really early before you

1213
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: waited for the rest of it. Twenty five percent of

1214
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: it would come down. That program seems to be gone.

1215
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: How about pre landfall decks where you would get a

1216
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: land you'd get a declaration from the president two or

1217
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: three days before landfall, so that day you speed up

1218
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: the process. You can start spending money. You know, you're

1219
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: going to get reimbursement. Your cities and counties who might

1220
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: be fiscally constrained. They know that they're getting their stuff.

1221
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: They can start moving, you know, their logistics operations, their

1222
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: debris removal, their water, ice power restoration, all of these things.

1223
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: We don't know if we're getting pre landfall declarations. We're

1224
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: watching these declarations for other events. You know, we watched

1225
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: the governor of Arkansas who worked in the Trump administration's

1226
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: bay for two weeks to get a declaration. So I

1227
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: can tell you I speak to a lot of state

1228
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: directors deathly worried, God forbid. We had a Northridge in

1229
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: California hasn't happened. In fact, there's no one really who

1230
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: went through that. That's still in emergency management. Okay, FEMA

1231
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: is not ready. So when they sent that letter and

1232
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: called it the Katrina Declaration, what they're really trying to

1233
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: say is FEMA has to work in a Cat five. Sure, okay,

1234
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: you want states to handle Cat ones on their own,

1235
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: no problem, we could get there. But they can't do

1236
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 2: a Cat five on their own. It would take generations

1237
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: and generations of investment for them to build that capacity. Okay,

1238
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 2: But now FEMA's not ready for a Cat five. They're

1239
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: not ready for a Cat four. They're not ready to mobilize,

1240
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 2: they're not ready to prop it up in the event

1241
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: that happens. So in Florida and Texas, where we have

1242
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 2: better emergency management departments, okay, we'll fail better unless in

1243
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: Atlantic Atlantic storm that goes into Palm Beach, state of Rowark. Okay,

1244
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: remember Dorian a couple of years ago that like paused

1245
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 2: over the Bahamas and just destroyed the Bahamas. It was

1246
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 2: a Cat five storm stopped seventy five miles off.

1247
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: Her coastow didn't come on shore right and just turned

1248
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: due north.

1249
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: Yep, right, God forbid that that storm that was erin

1250
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: right didn't had turned over land and not over water.

1251
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: We're not ready in those in the Tri County area.

1252
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: Without FEMA's health and we have one of the best

1253
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: emergency management directors in the country and Kevin Guthrie, FEMA

1254
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: would have to move military assets, okay to this area

1255
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: in order to do swift water rescues. We would need

1256
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: the amount of food we would need to feed millions

1257
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: of people.

1258
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: I went through Andrew, I mean, it was a catastrophe

1259
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: and we and it was two about two thirds of

1260
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: what the population is today down in Did County.

1261
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: And don't ask me why, because I haven't been able

1262
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: to figure out the why. But Christy Nome has absolutely

1263
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: gutted and destroyed the agency. We talk about what's going

1264
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: on in the Department of Education or Social Security or Medica,

1265
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: and FEMA doesn't get a lot of attention. FEMA is

1266
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: in worse shape than anything.

1267
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: It's weird about it is it goes against his sort

1268
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: of you know, he wants to be the benevolent king,

1269
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: right Trump, So this you would think would actually be

1270
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: in his wheelhouse that he would want to be the savior.

1271
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: He would want to be the guy the way he

1272
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: wants to control interest rates and control this in a

1273
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: weird way. Why wouldn't he want more? This is the

1274
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: one thing he doesn't want control for it. My only

1275
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 1: thesis on this is he didn't like getting blamed for

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Speaker 1: FEMA's mistakes in his first term, so he's decided anything

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Speaker 1: that provided that gave him a negative approval rating right

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Speaker 1: Hurricane Maria down Puerto Rico and some of these other places.

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Speaker 1: That's my only theory is that he didn't like that

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Speaker 1: he accumulated that if FEMA messed up, that he took

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Speaker 1: the fall, so now he wants to turn it into

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Speaker 1: a state thing. It's my only explanation of why he's

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Speaker 1: this way, because on anything else, See wants more control

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01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to handing out money, not less.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, FEMA is a political football, right, So

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Speaker 2: that's and that's always been the case. I'll give you

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Speaker 2: another theory. Any think I'm crazy when I say this.

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Speaker 1: Look, any theory these days with Trump is not crazy

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01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: because they didn't know.

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Speaker 2: How about that the theory he didn't know. He didn't

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Speaker 2: know actually what she was doing over there. They didn't

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Speaker 2: know how bad it was. Similar to how like they

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01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 2: didn't know that we got rid of the guys that

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Speaker 2: run like our nuclear programs when we were doging everyone,

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01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: and they didn't know and then found out later. I'll

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: give you another theory. They didn't know. They didn't know

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Speaker 2: what Christy and Corey Lewandowski had done over there, and

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Speaker 2: they're finding out now. And the problem is, as you know,

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: very easy to break this stuff, much harder harder to

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Speaker 2: fix it.

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Speaker 1: Texas was a test run. I mean we already you

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Speaker 1: just pointed out that was actually a massive theme of

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01:06:53,600 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: failure whether Texas basically back Texas had a decent respect,

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: so it sort of covered up how bad The female

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Speaker 1: response was right.

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Speaker 2: Correct, which that's what I've said. If it was a

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Speaker 2: state without a robust department, it would have been dramatically exposed.

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Speaker 2: And now I think there are people in the West

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01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: wing that recognize this is a problem. But Chuck, that's

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01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: not how Trump works. He's a brilliant marketing and sales guy.

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01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: So you know what he'll do. He'll say, He'll say,

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Speaker 2: I told you so, I told you they were broken.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one of those cases where I thought Susie

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Speaker 1: Wilds would have impact on this. There were a couple

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Speaker 1: of spots that I thought she was going to have impact.

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01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: One was keeping the Kennedy's crazy from being too influential.

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Speaker 1: That's been a failure, and on and on.

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Speaker 2: Storm response, Well, I'll tell you this, okay, And again,

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Speaker 2: you're talking to a Democrat who worked in a Republican

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Speaker 2: administration and you know.

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Speaker 1: Her a little bit, so you may have some insight.

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Speaker 2: And I know her, you only know what has gotten through.

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01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: You don't know what she has stopped. I know, I

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: hear this a lot, and so yeah, I was in

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Speaker 2: a Republican administration, there's a lot of stuff that got through,

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Speaker 2: but you also don't know like what came and you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, that got stopped, whether it was one

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Speaker 2: chief of staff for another.

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Speaker 1: Describing I joke, this is what every trump book is like, right,

1330
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: every trump book is you won't believe what he tried

1331
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: to do, and you won't believe who stopped them, right

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01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: Like that was every trump book in the first administration

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: with some form of that. So I take your point,

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Speaker 1: but I guess there are fewer things that get stopped.

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Speaker 1: That'd be my one.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't underestimate the presidents of that imagination on

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: what he thinks he can do under his power. But

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: also there are the people around him. Okay, the people

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: around him in some instances are worse okay on what

1340
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Speaker 2: they want to do and now have full reign to

1341
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: go do okay. And so yeah, we never know what

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: what she has or what she hasn't what she hasn't stopped.

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Speaker 2: But look Susie's very qualified, runs a very tight shoit.

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Speaker 1: No, I look, there there's a few people, you know.

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: I deal with people that are just like they assume

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01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: it's all alarmists. I'm like, yeah, but there are going

1347
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: to be people that end up that. I always say this,

1348
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: the hero of this story will be somebody you don't

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01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: like at the moment.

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01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, Mike Pence was the hero of

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01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: January sixth.

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney, Right. I mean I tell this all the

1353
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: time to my liberal friends. You don't know, just like

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: in the first term, somebody's going to be the hero

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: that right now you don't like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I appreciate it. Thanks for being talking.

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Speaker 1: About I would too. Am I going to see it

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Speaker 1: at the Miami Notre Dame game?

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'll be at the Miami Notre

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01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: Dame game.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I just since you you're good with disaster management,

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01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: you may have some insight on the weather. I just

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: want hot, humid, horrible weather for those boys from South Bend.

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Speaker 2: That's all I can guarantee. You're going to get hot, miserable,

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: humid weather. What I can't guarantee is whether you're gonna

1366
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: get rain.

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: Well, the last I saw, we're supposed to get first

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: half ranged, so we'll say, but hey, I hope that's

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Speaker 1: the case, because it rains every day at Green schrein

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: practice field. So there's there's got to be there will

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Speaker 1: be no problem on that side of the ball at

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Speaker 1: least I hope.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jared, don't isolate me from my Irish voters, please,

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Speaker 2: I won't.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, And especially if you run statewide, you

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: know you've got to be You've got to be for

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: all three Florida schools or four Florida schools. I'm gonnaccount

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Speaker 1: you see.

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Speaker 2: F these days. Well, thanks, ing U appreciate there.

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Speaker 1: It is great to I was just going to say

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01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: you lived, you live the life GW. I mean, we

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01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: have a grown up in South Florida go to GW.

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: You had the guts to run for office. I didn't,

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Speaker 1: So kudos to you.

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Speaker 2: I actually think perhaps it may have worked out for you. Jock.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've always wondered about the other path traveled,

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: and so I've admired watching you from afar. It was

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: really good to It was great to get to know you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jock, appreciate it.