Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello Internet, I'm Robert Evans and this is once
Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history. And today we have a very special
Speaker 1: episode for all of you. It's another episode on Alex Jones,
Speaker 1: the epilogue of Alex Jones, you can call it. And
Speaker 1: my guest today are the guys from Knowledge Fight Dan
Speaker 1: and Jordan. How are y'all doing today? Are doing great?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us uh In case our listeners don't know,
Speaker 1: Dan knows a lot about Alex Jones. Jordan's does not
Speaker 1: know much about Alex Jones. But in reality, you both
Speaker 1: know an enormous amount about Alex Jones because you've recorded
Speaker 1: hundreds of podcasts episodes about him too. To my everlasting regret,
Speaker 1: I started doing this podcast because I wanted to hang
Speaker 1: out with my friend, and now I know too much
Speaker 1: about this man. Yeah, yeah, influence y'all's podcast. Knowledge Fight
Speaker 1: listeners can go to Knowledge Fight dot com if you
Speaker 1: want to hear more about Alex Jones. They break down
Speaker 1: his episodes. You guys are both doing them hondern stuff
Speaker 1: and you go like back to two thousand eight nine, episodes.
Speaker 1: Y'all's podcasts have become one of my favorite. I kind
Speaker 1: of learned about it as I was finishing up the
Speaker 1: first Alex Jones podcast. But I listen to you guys
Speaker 1: two or three times a week. I was trying to
Speaker 1: get caught up. I love your stuff, enjoy it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Well, yeah, we absolutely appreciate your
Speaker 1: work as well. Well, let's let's get into this. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Sure, i'd like
Speaker 1: to open this video this alright, I'd like to open
Speaker 1: this episode with special video I found of Alex Jones
Speaker 1: on Inauguration Day, outrageously drunk and ranting about some sort
Speaker 1: of bizarre future space program. Have you guys seen this one?
Speaker 1: I I have horrific memories of Inauguration night, Election night.
Speaker 1: That whole season was pretty bad. Time they're watching Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: I forget when I came across this one, but it's
Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. I like it because it showcases Alex Jones
Speaker 1: as drunk as I think he's ever been. But that
Speaker 1: may be optimistic on my part. I would say so
Speaker 1: he's reached some dioling heights of intoxication. There are four
Speaker 1: ways to learn, one of which is race memory. I
Speaker 1: believe that's very, very druyful. Yeah. None, none of those
Speaker 1: four ways to learn, by the way that he references
Speaker 1: were reading research, any kind of physical look. Libraries are
Speaker 1: where he goes to uh ship. Basically he's not He's
Speaker 1: not there for the books. They have free coffee. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play this video just to warm up the
Speaker 1: waters for our listeners. Here, here's drunk Alex Jones's will
Speaker 1: be created and a launch space program that Cyne Patty
Speaker 1: of the space a loss of program. That's the big difference.
Speaker 1: The new Atlanta S will be created at a launch
Speaker 1: space program, the Cyne Matty of the space A loss
Speaker 1: of program. Put Smanty on the bat forever in the galaxy.
Speaker 1: Get a loss of program and our ancestral thousand here
Speaker 1: now on hundreds and hundreds of star systems and galaxies.
Speaker 1: They'll look back and say, these are the people that
Speaker 1: adds a vision that they did all. It won't beat Japan,
Speaker 1: it won't be China will be, Russia, won't be. Latin America, America,
Speaker 1: Latin America, chill America. No, wrong America, wrong America. I
Speaker 1: do love it. Seems like an Alex Jones's conception of
Speaker 1: the world. Canada just kind of gets a free ride
Speaker 1: onto the space train, like just just lumping them in.
Speaker 1: They're they're white. Alex's world seems like a joke, but
Speaker 1: that is where his head is at, so that is
Speaker 1: kind of. Yeah, my favorite part of that, if I
Speaker 1: remember that night correctly, that was he's stumbling around d
Speaker 1: C and a little bit after that in the video,
Speaker 1: he ends up running into a bunch of fans and
Speaker 1: he almost catatonically shakes hands with people, like people keep
Speaker 1: coming up doing like Alex Jones is like, how's it going,
Speaker 1: But he's almost unconscious when he's talking to these people.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a very weird dynamic he seems to
Speaker 1: have with people. But I don't think anybody hates Alex
Speaker 1: Jones listeners more than Alex Jones. He despises his his
Speaker 1: fans so much. That actually gets us onto sort of
Speaker 1: what we'll be talking about for a big chunk of
Speaker 1: this episode, which is the contempt that he seems to
Speaker 1: have for the people who have given him everything that
Speaker 1: he has. Your God, It's uh, it's really quite remarkable.
Speaker 1: I mean, when we last talked about Alex Jones on
Speaker 1: my show. He'd just been kicked off of Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,
Speaker 1: pretty much everything. Our episode three Partner ended with him
Speaker 1: in a donkey mask shouting about the one point three
Speaker 1: billion Islama strain and Satanism waiting get the border of
Speaker 1: the country. Yeah. Yeah that night for they were there
Speaker 1: and then suddenly they weren't very quickly surprised. Yeah they really.
Speaker 1: Uh that was that was an impressive movement of one
Speaker 1: point three billion people. Um with numbers is one of
Speaker 1: the themes you're going to find if you ever look
Speaker 1: too deeply into Alex doesn't under and math, language or numbers.
Speaker 1: Those are fundamental problems. Great at shouting though, Really, if
Speaker 1: there's one thing I can look up to the man
Speaker 1: for as a shouter myself, he can really shout the
Speaker 1: ship out of things. Yeah, one of the best. And uh,
Speaker 1: that day, the day that I finished writing the script,
Speaker 1: I think Info Wars made an announcement that they were
Speaker 1: launching Uh info Wars, yes, which is Alex framed as
Speaker 1: an incredible opportunity for his listeners and Wars Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's selling you economic freedom. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: don't want to be a small business owner. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, I don't know you're at this. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a proven system. Well yeah, info Wars Yes, since
Speaker 1: our listeners probably don't pay much attention to Alex Jones
Speaker 1: is essentially he's he's getting rid of info Wars Life,
Speaker 1: it seems, his supplement line and replacing it with another
Speaker 1: line of supplements sold by a company named Janesse Uh
Speaker 1: not the Jenette that that Keith Ranieri, the guy who
Speaker 1: started that nextium called that branded Women did, but a
Speaker 1: different spelling of essentially the same pronunciation to make the
Speaker 1: same result at the end of the day. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: both MLMs. They're they're both multi level marketing companies level
Speaker 1: marketing company. He's gonna get branded at the end of it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that right now. Well, I looked into
Speaker 1: Jenness a little bit because you know, Alex claimed that
Speaker 1: number one, their supplements were better than the supplements he
Speaker 1: had been selling, which is uh, pretty interesting for Alex
Speaker 1: to do. It's a strange business plan for him to
Speaker 1: come out and insult his own line in favor of
Speaker 1: this new line that he's bringing in. If he expects
Speaker 1: to ever sell his old line ever again. That's very strange,
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll get to that in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it does seem like this is almost the in
Speaker 1: game of Info Wars. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part,
Speaker 1: but it looks like he's trying to basically cash in
Speaker 1: on the audience that he has as fast as he can.
Speaker 1: Because Janness is not a nice company. Um. I did
Speaker 1: a little bit of digging into them. You did someone
Speaker 1: on your show too, and it definitely shows the majority
Speaker 1: of people, like with every MLM, don't make any money
Speaker 1: or lose money on the business. I did go to
Speaker 1: their website because I wanted to know how Jenness presents themselves.
Speaker 1: Their mission statement is the Jenness Family creates positive impact
Speaker 1: in the world by helping people look and feel young
Speaker 1: while empowering each other to unleash our potential, which is
Speaker 1: about as vague as you're going to find on anything,
Speaker 1: doesn't I am sold, sir, you wanna be you wanna
Speaker 1: unleash your potential to feel you? Yeah, I've always I've
Speaker 1: always wondered why I haven't been unleashing my potential, And
Speaker 1: it turns out Jenness has a way to go about it.
Speaker 1: I assume I'm gonna get branded in a sex call
Speaker 1: it here shortly right that and you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: microbiotics skin mask. Now that sounds that's a double way
Speaker 1: of funds back so well. And when you're branding yourself,
Speaker 1: you really want the patented Jenness stem cell skin rejuvenation
Speaker 1: uh tonic, Yeah, which is actually a thing they um,
Speaker 1: this is actually branding yourself. Kind of works both ways
Speaker 1: as a double meaning. Yeah, alright, yeah, we will talk
Speaker 1: about the branding a little bit, because Jones made some
Speaker 1: really interesting choices and had a brand info wars. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I want to stay in Janess for just a
Speaker 1: little bit longer. So I looked into the company's bio
Speaker 1: and it says that it began in the hearts and
Speaker 1: minds of visionaries Randy Ray and Wendy Lewis, having achieved
Speaker 1: tremendous success and other enterprises. Basically, they created Jenness in
Speaker 1: two thousand nine on September nine, nine at nine pm.
Speaker 1: Because the number nine represents longevity for reasons that are
Speaker 1: unclear to me, uh into supreme mathematics here, it does
Speaker 1: seem like about this. I'm not a numerologer, but it
Speaker 1: does seem that any number higher than nine would better
Speaker 1: represent longevity than the number nine. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: the largest single digit number that makes perfect Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: okayte it down on the board. Let's keep on. So
Speaker 1: Mr Ray and Ms lewis because you know, they claimed
Speaker 1: to have achieved tremendous success in other enterprises. So I
Speaker 1: looked into what those other enterprises were. And they got
Speaker 1: their start with Fuel Freedom International, which was an MLM
Speaker 1: that sold pills you put in your car's gas tank
Speaker 1: to give it better mileag Wait, hold on, ye say
Speaker 1: that one more time? They started what fuel Freedom International
Speaker 1: and MLM that sells pills that you put in your
Speaker 1: car to give it better gas mileage. Look, you take
Speaker 1: aspir in. Your car needs aspir and everybody knows that
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. What are you gonna do if you're
Speaker 1: not drugg in your car? Just leaving money on the
Speaker 1: table with a sober car testing your car? Um, your honor,
Speaker 1: My car was drunk. Come on, it was drunk so
Speaker 1: it would drive further. Uh So the claim that fuel
Speaker 1: Freedom made was that the their car pill technology was
Speaker 1: invented by NASA in the nineteen seventies, although there's zero
Speaker 1: evidence for this claim. There's also zero evidence that the
Speaker 1: magical car pills ever worked and people did try to
Speaker 1: study that, so again it seems like they were just
Speaker 1: selling nonsense magic for your gas tank. Now, in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, Mr Ray and Miss Lewis got together with
Speaker 1: a Beverly Hills doctor to make an anti aging face
Speaker 1: cream made out of stem cells, and if since then
Speaker 1: cashed in very successfully on people's fears of getting old.
Speaker 1: The weirdest sequel to Beverly Hills Cop Beverly Hills Doctor,
Speaker 1: stem cell doctor. You know you give John d. Reinhold
Speaker 1: his own franchise, and you know you're going to run
Speaker 1: into trouble. You know, it says a lot about you
Speaker 1: that you picked Beverly Hills Cop as the Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: movie to call this a sequel to, and not Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Ninja, the Chris Farley classic. Do you mean the
Speaker 1: greatest movie ever made? Come on, I was going to
Speaker 1: go with Hills shows where my mind is that? So
Speaker 1: Janess's business did grow wildly over the mid Oughts and
Speaker 1: made hundreds of millions of dollars. Like in thinking two
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen, they were showing like a four growth
Speaker 1: rate year over year, but it seems to have tapered
Speaker 1: off recently, in part due to the fact that they
Speaker 1: are super shady. So I did some reading within the
Speaker 1: m l M community to just to try to see
Speaker 1: how this company was looked at by people who are
Speaker 1: into multi level marketing, and I found a site called
Speaker 1: behind m l M and they one of the things
Speaker 1: they note is that Jenness has a history of quote
Speaker 1: cutting secret backroom deals with high profile affiliates, which means
Speaker 1: that they basically go after people with big audiences and
Speaker 1: pay them thousands of dollars in order to get access
Speaker 1: to their audience, which seems to be exactly what's going
Speaker 1: on with Alex Jones right now. It's the scientology business model,
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, find someone famous and then their fans
Speaker 1: will pay you money exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So behind
Speaker 1: m LM talks about one other personality that Jinnest sort
Speaker 1: of poached from a different MLM and they paid him
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars a month in order to generate tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of leads. And I think Alex Jones, even
Speaker 1: after the cut down in his traffic, still is something
Speaker 1: like seven hundred thousand unique views on like a monthly
Speaker 1: basis to info Wars. So he it's possible he's getting
Speaker 1: a lot more than fifteen grand a month, since she
Speaker 1: seems to have the ability to drive a little bit
Speaker 1: more traffic. But it also seems unlikely that he's getting
Speaker 1: a whole lot more than that. And I know that.
Speaker 1: In that there's a two hour interview Jones did drunk
Speaker 1: with another David Patrick Patrick Bet David the surprisingly good
Speaker 1: interviewer slash marketing con man. We we were listening to
Speaker 1: that video just going like, what the ship? How is
Speaker 1: this the best interview that Alex? The best interview for
Speaker 1: Alex was, was this guy actually pushing back just like Alex? Alex? Yeah,
Speaker 1: really you considered that maybe some of this is your fault.
Speaker 1: Really held his feet to the fire on something I know. Yeah, shock.
Speaker 1: And in that interview, Jones claimed that he lost about
Speaker 1: ten million dollars in ad deals in the first month
Speaker 1: of Trump's presidency. I will tell you that that number
Speaker 1: is slightly eer than what he cited at the time.
Speaker 1: But he is he has a habit of, like I said,
Speaker 1: he's bad with numbers. But he also mythologizes himself quite
Speaker 1: a bit, so by this point, him expanding it to
Speaker 1: ten million dollars makes a whole lot of sense. But
Speaker 1: I think it was only like a couple of million
Speaker 1: back then. I think he's at least multiplied it by
Speaker 1: a few I feel like that's every time he cites
Speaker 1: a number, When he cites that same thing, in the future,
Speaker 1: he'll double or so the number like at least increase.
Speaker 1: And you know that's cumulative over time, So I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'll be thirty or forty million down. You know, in
Speaker 1: a year from now, you might actually be forty million
Speaker 1: do well, yeah, from now. So that is what I
Speaker 1: want to get into, because um, yeah. The New York
Speaker 1: Times noted and this was like a September fourteenth report
Speaker 1: that uh in fo war has had a daily average
Speaker 1: about one point four million visits to its website before
Speaker 1: the August six bands, and that by September mid September,
Speaker 1: they were down by about half. So it seems like
Speaker 1: the bands cut their traffic in half, which is obviously
Speaker 1: going to cut his revenue in half. And while I
Speaker 1: doubt he lost ten million dollars in a month, it
Speaker 1: seems pretty probable that he did lose a lot of
Speaker 1: money as a result of his his increased visibility and
Speaker 1: and the d platforming and whatnot. So I always find
Speaker 1: it interesting when he lies about something that he absolutely
Speaker 1: doesn't need to lie about, like two million dollars. If
Speaker 1: you lost two million dollars in a month, that's still
Speaker 1: a ship ton of money. But he has to say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's ten million dollars. Like why, it's like fish stories man,
Speaker 1: you know, like still a big fish. Yeah. Yet yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, I mean, it's He also has
Speaker 1: to kind of lie about his influence, even though there's
Speaker 1: plenty of things he has to legitimately claim, like that
Speaker 1: he's influenced. I don't know. He does seem to have
Speaker 1: like some sort of allergic prohibition against telling the truth.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of weird. Um, but yeah, nobody would
Speaker 1: ever elect a guy like that president. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: You know, he would never get further than having a
Speaker 1: weird show on the radio. Uh So, anyway, that like,
Speaker 1: it's it definitely seems likely that this partnership with Janesse
Speaker 1: came out of a severe cash crunch for Jones. Like
Speaker 1: that's the picture I'm getting as I look at this,
Speaker 1: because we know as and revenues down. We know, it
Speaker 1: seemed like if he's willing to give up in full
Speaker 1: Wars Life, it means those sales have probably fallen significantly. Well,
Speaker 1: I I think that you're you're thinking is probably pretty
Speaker 1: correct on that. But my my theory is that Info
Speaker 1: Wars Life was all done through his weird doctor friend
Speaker 1: who's actually a chiropractor Doctor Group. Yeah, Dr It's it's
Speaker 1: all done through the global Healing center that Doctor Group runs.
Speaker 1: He has all his products and then Alex makes a
Speaker 1: different name for them and sells them on Info Wars Life.
Speaker 1: And my theory is basically, once Alex got kicked off
Speaker 1: of everything, Dr Group realized there's nothing in this for
Speaker 1: me anymore, so he wanted to stop his dual branding
Speaker 1: with Alex. So Alex probably didn't have as much of
Speaker 1: a choice as it appears with Info Wars Life going away,
Speaker 1: because now he can't private label all this like super
Speaker 1: Male Vitality and Throplex all of his interesting because I
Speaker 1: noticed uh decrease in appearances by Doctor Group, especially in
Speaker 1: the last like nine months or so, whereas he used
Speaker 1: to come on and do infomercials fairly regularly. Um so
Speaker 1: I mean that seems really consistent though, with Alex Jones's character,
Speaker 1: because if dr Group has pulled away from Jones and isn't,
Speaker 1: you know, willing to work with him in the same
Speaker 1: extent that he used to be, it would make sense
Speaker 1: that Jones is calling those supplements not as good as
Speaker 1: the ones like that he would be willing to throw
Speaker 1: not just Group, but the products under the bus, because
Speaker 1: that's very mentioned Jones's character. It fits the pettiness that
Speaker 1: we've we've seen for a long time, and Alex Is
Speaker 1: jumping from thing to thing is pretty consistent throughout his career.
Speaker 1: Like you, he used to be basically a gold salesman
Speaker 1: for Midas Resources. Ted Anderson runs this gold company called
Speaker 1: Midas Resources that also owned Genesis Communications Network that would
Speaker 1: distribute Alex's show. In September of Ted lost his gold license.
Speaker 1: So for totally non criminal reasons. I don't know why
Speaker 1: that would be the first place your head jumped to.
Speaker 1: A guy just lost his gold bullion sales license. That's
Speaker 1: just normal ship that happens. He forgot to re up
Speaker 1: with the government. Come on, Jordan is not correct on
Speaker 1: that there were some shady dealings being done by so
Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed to sell gold anymore. He and so
Speaker 1: he ended up becoming actually he sells like bulk beef
Speaker 1: now and it's a very mightas resources, a very strange
Speaker 1: place into now I've always called beef red gold. I
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah, it's the gold of your stomach. So
Speaker 1: when when Ted lost his gold bullyon license, Alex immediately
Speaker 1: almost like two weeks after that, I believe did a
Speaker 1: money bomb and it was just sort of out of nowhere. Also,
Speaker 1: right around the end of the fiscal year when you
Speaker 1: got to get your taxes together. Uh so he there's
Speaker 1: that influence. And a little bit after that is when
Speaker 1: a lot of the the supplement sales went into overdrive.
Speaker 1: Though he had already started that end of the business
Speaker 1: a year prior, it wasn't pushed nearly as hard as
Speaker 1: it was after and onwards. So I've noticed a weird
Speaker 1: trend of him like sort of leap frogging from cash
Speaker 1: cows kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, And I gotta say
Speaker 1: just to a little aside, but it's really one of
Speaker 1: the things that's most frustrated to me about eighteen is
Speaker 1: like I spent like I'm gonna guess you did as well.
Speaker 1: A lot of my late teen years in early twenties
Speaker 1: and like the weird conspiracy corners of the Internet. I
Speaker 1: have fond memories of those days. And yeah, I have
Speaker 1: really fond memories of using like weird libertarian gold e
Speaker 1: currency to buy drugs off the internet from Canada. And
Speaker 1: now that's all ruined because it's all turned into this
Speaker 1: like right wing like this like funding machine for malicious basically,
Speaker 1: like it's all it's just such a bummer, Like I
Speaker 1: want to think back fondly about using the gold to
Speaker 1: buy two c I, but it's just it's it's it's
Speaker 1: been corrupted now by the nothing gold can last, as
Speaker 1: nothing egold can stay. My my disappointment comes from losing
Speaker 1: my favorite advertiser that he ever had, which was a
Speaker 1: Diamond gust of jeans. Do you know diamonds. I have
Speaker 1: heard Diamond Gussete jeans on y'all show the ads for them,
Speaker 1: incredible songs. But my favorite part was when he was
Speaker 1: doing research into Diamond Gusta jeans. He found all these
Speaker 1: reviews and they were consistent in one thing, which is
Speaker 1: that whatever pants eze you ordered, that would be the
Speaker 1: only pant's eyes you did not receive. It was a
Speaker 1: random pants generator and that makes me so happy for
Speaker 1: some like animalistic reason, I need to never know what
Speaker 1: pants eye I'm gonna wear. You don't need to worry
Speaker 1: about it because they're still a sponsor of the Genesis Communications. Now,
Speaker 1: well then see there we go. That relationship business still around.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves American jeans, timing, Goss, subscriptions all around. I'm
Speaker 1: buying around for everybody who listens to the show. I
Speaker 1: just I want to know where you have to be
Speaker 1: in your life that you buy pants through the radio.
Speaker 1: That's a patriot. That's where you have to be. Okay. Um, So,
Speaker 1: driving us back to Janess just a little bit, it
Speaker 1: does seem that there's some current desperation for steady monthly
Speaker 1: income and Alex Jones, I like you. You point out,
Speaker 1: he's leap frog from a lot of cash cows over
Speaker 1: the years, but it seems like now one of the
Speaker 1: things that's new is that he's willing to burn his
Speaker 1: audience to get it. Because Janese is not a nice company.
Speaker 1: Not that there are nice MLMs, but just this August
Speaker 1: they settled a two and a half million dollar class
Speaker 1: action lawsuit, and the plaintiffs in that lawsuit alleged that
Speaker 1: Janess was quote a misleading business opportunity disguised as a
Speaker 1: legitimate way to make money, which seems like a reckless
Speaker 1: thing for Jones to do with his audience, which is
Speaker 1: already dwindled as a result of everything that's happened. The
Speaker 1: problem with that description of Jana's to be in a
Speaker 1: lawsuit is like, that's also a one way to describe capitalism, right, well,
Speaker 1: that's leading way to It's one of those things like
Speaker 1: at the basic level, like Okay, you work a job
Speaker 1: and use the money you get to that job that
Speaker 1: you're paid for your level to labor to buy goods
Speaker 1: and services. There are complaints you can have about that
Speaker 1: level of capitalism, which is different than like an MLM,
Speaker 1: where it's like, no, you would buy a bunch of
Speaker 1: products and the whole goal is to trick you into
Speaker 1: thinking that this will make you rich, but you never
Speaker 1: make a dime. There's scams and then there's scams on scams. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing I would think about your your characterization of
Speaker 1: him being willing to like sort of take a risk
Speaker 1: with his audience like this, I don't think that that's
Speaker 1: out of character for him at all. Even on your
Speaker 1: episodes and you were going over his supplements, you guys
Speaker 1: talked about how there was a bunch of lead and
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, and a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that he sold were we're pretty bunk, even without the
Speaker 1: idea that there's heavy metals in them. You know, just
Speaker 1: the the actual thing isn't going to get the result
Speaker 1: that he is saying you probably will, so I think
Speaker 1: for years he's he's been perfectly willing to endanger people
Speaker 1: um to make a bottom line. But it does seem
Speaker 1: like that's a little bit more of a subtle Like,
Speaker 1: for one thing, lead poison is just going to make
Speaker 1: you a better Info Wars consumers. It's not gonna hurt
Speaker 1: your ability to enjoy Alex Jones's content. Yeah, But like
Speaker 1: the supplement industry is gigantic as a scam. Like obviously
Speaker 1: there's some vitamin supplements that can be useful, but like
Speaker 1: it's mostly bullshit. And that's my favorite. Are the paint chips.
Speaker 1: Have you ever eaten those? It's like they're kettle cooked
Speaker 1: paint chips. They're they're delicious. You get a you get
Speaker 1: a little bit of brown on them. Perfect favorite weird
Speaker 1: fact about pain chips less lead than Alex Jones's supplements.
Speaker 1: Earth iodine is made of lead. Okay, So I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta tune us out for an AD break right
Speaker 1: now for some some products and uh, you know services,
Speaker 1: the capitalism stuff that we're talking about, but not the
Speaker 1: MLM version of capitalism. This is That is an AD pivot,
Speaker 1: my friend. That is the way you do it. And
Speaker 1: we're pivoted, and we're back. We're back, and we're talking
Speaker 1: about Alex Jones. Uh and we are I want to
Speaker 1: get into how Alex has chosen to brand info Wars Yes,
Speaker 1: because it's really interesting to me. Are you talking about
Speaker 1: the weird red lettering? Very it seems very off off
Speaker 1: style for him. It all seems off style to him. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, like infu Wars Life products used terms like
Speaker 1: shield force defense and it was all very militarized. It
Speaker 1: looked almost like like most of the products on Info
Speaker 1: Wars Life looked like something you might pick up in
Speaker 1: like a first person shooter video game as a power
Speaker 1: are up. Like, yeah, infull Wars Yes looks like it's
Speaker 1: aimed at like middle aged housewives. Uh, not that that's
Speaker 1: a bad thing. But like the picture of Alex Jones
Speaker 1: in the Info Wars Yes banner ad that I sent
Speaker 1: you guys, he's clean shaven, it looks like it was
Speaker 1: taken about fifteen years ago, and the color tone is
Speaker 1: like a really light, calming blue um and it's it's
Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, he's safe and healthy and young.
Speaker 1: Well you went with info Wars Yes because Info Wars
Speaker 1: tupper wear was actually already taken. Did you guys know
Speaker 1: that info Wars Yes is a is an acronym. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like Youth Enhancement System nailed it. How do you know?
Speaker 1: I know a lot of things you only know a
Speaker 1: little bit. So the youth Enhancement System is the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of what Jeness claims to offer Alex's fans. And so
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different products that you're supposed to
Speaker 1: take for all of the different ways that you can
Speaker 1: get younger if you take the drugs Alex Jones wants
Speaker 1: to sell you from this company. And the most striking
Speaker 1: product that I found is the Finity pills, which you'll
Speaker 1: die sometime, it seems, yeah, like the pictures on the
Speaker 1: pills are like young couples. They're doing everything they can
Speaker 1: the branding to make it look like this will make
Speaker 1: you live longer without actually lying and say that this
Speaker 1: will extend your life, because then the FDA will get
Speaker 1: on their asses. There's there's laws about certain claims, but
Speaker 1: you can call a thing finity, infinity and nowhere else.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess by the spelling that the only reason
Speaker 1: they didn't go with infinity is that that would have
Speaker 1: been like infringing on the cars. Coyright. He also has
Speaker 1: a brand of cars named Paula. Yeah, he stops there,
Speaker 1: the Paulas, and don't forget his undies. So I looked
Speaker 1: into the ingredients of the Finity pills because it seems
Speaker 1: to be the centerpiece of the strange life youth enhancement
Speaker 1: systems Alex Jones is trying to sell. Includes astrologous root extract,
Speaker 1: which is supposed to be good for your immune system
Speaker 1: and particularly famous for your heart. It's like a Chinese
Speaker 1: medicinal herb, but there are quote no high quality studies
Speaker 1: in people, so there's no evidence of any health benefits.
Speaker 1: It costs about two dollars and seventy five cents an ounce.
Speaker 1: There's co enzyme Q ten, which costs about twenty dollars
Speaker 1: for sixty pills. There's quite an extract which is seaweed extract,
Speaker 1: a little less than twenty bucks for sixty pills. There's
Speaker 1: Potero pure, which is an antioxidant found in blueberries, which
Speaker 1: is slightly cheaper than those other two pills. And then
Speaker 1: you know like tumeric and a number of other very
Speaker 1: very inexpensive herbs. You guys want to guess the total
Speaker 1: price for sixty capsules of affinity? How much does a
Speaker 1: house cost? We are all millennials. None of us know
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna put it just south of that. It
Speaker 1: is a hundred for sixty capsules. Uh Now, now you're
Speaker 1: supposed to take to a day, so that is basically
Speaker 1: more than an average cell phone bill in order to
Speaker 1: get one set of the medications that they recommend you
Speaker 1: take with the the YES program. So that's fun. Phone
Speaker 1: doesn't make you young, doesn't know, It just gives you
Speaker 1: head cancer. So throw your phone away by finity. Um, Now,
Speaker 1: Phone doesn't make you young is my favorite song from
Speaker 1: the Seven Days? Do you remember that one? When it
Speaker 1: swept the swept of the charts. I should note for
Speaker 1: fairness that if you're a distributor, it's only a hundred
Speaker 1: and eight dollars a bottle, so it's a steel So
Speaker 1: that seems to be the angle Jones is going for here.
Speaker 1: And I do have a little bit of a conspiracy
Speaker 1: when it comes to the marketing of info Wars Yes, because,
Speaker 1: as I noted before, in all of the pictures of
Speaker 1: Alex on the info Wars Yes site, he looks like
Speaker 1: about ten to fifteen years younger than he is. He's
Speaker 1: also clean shaven and in really trim, So I did
Speaker 1: a picture has been heavily airbrushed or they just picked
Speaker 1: a younger picture of Alex Jones or both or both
Speaker 1: or both, yeah, And I think this is done in
Speaker 1: order to create the illusion that Jones has wrinkled and
Speaker 1: careworn face has been d aged by Janess's remarkable products.
Speaker 1: And if that is the angle that they were going for,
Speaker 1: I have to imagine that Janess was not happy to
Speaker 1: see Alex Jones give a two hour interview to an
Speaker 1: MLM salesman named Patrick bet David. Because in that video
Speaker 1: I included just a random screen grab from it that
Speaker 1: will also have up on the site. Alex Jones looks
Speaker 1: like he has aged about twenty years in the last
Speaker 1: six months. Like, oh yeah, I don't like to critique
Speaker 1: people's appearance, but I believe on our show, I said
Speaker 1: he looked like trash, like he was slouched over and
Speaker 1: clearly drunk. It was a mess. He looks like a
Speaker 1: middle aged man who has been drinking way too much.
Speaker 1: Uh well, it looks like that that cartoon version of
Speaker 1: a hobo on the side of the street who's he's
Speaker 1: a pink elephant walked by and then looks at his
Speaker 1: brown paper bag and like throws it in the garbage,
Speaker 1: like his giant red nose is incredible. Never throw away
Speaker 1: that bottle. And I will say one of the things
Speaker 1: that makes me he's the best way to describe him
Speaker 1: is if that cartoon hobo saw all these pink elephants
Speaker 1: is like hell yeah, and just kept drinking out of
Speaker 1: that brown I love me an elephant. Yeah, big elephants.
Speaker 1: One of the things that concerns me a little bit
Speaker 1: is that, you know, if you remember that wonderful forest
Speaker 1: bathing video Alex Jones did shirtless out in the out
Speaker 1: in the woods, he looks for a guy in his forties,
Speaker 1: relatively fit in that video. He's certainly not massively overweight
Speaker 1: or anything like that. He doesn't look unhealthy. He looks
Speaker 1: like he has aged way more than two years in
Speaker 1: the time since that video was taken. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: you know how there are some people in the world who, like,
Speaker 1: you get him at the right angle and they kind
Speaker 1: of look great. You look at him a different angle,
Speaker 1: it's kind of oh boy. Yeah. I think Alex is
Speaker 1: very much like that. Like, he has the kind of
Speaker 1: stocky body that if he sort of pulls it in
Speaker 1: a little bit, he doesn't look like if he has
Speaker 1: good posture and is trying to present himself, he looks
Speaker 1: bad but not terrible. But then if he's drunk talking
Speaker 1: to Patrick bat David, he looks like like like a hobo. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he does look like a hobo. One of the
Speaker 1: things I noticed in that interview is that he claimed
Speaker 1: repeatedly that they've never had more hardcore listeners than they
Speaker 1: do right now after the purchase, And that interview was
Speaker 1: posted the day after The New York Times posted that
Speaker 1: article about how their traffics fallen by more than half,
Speaker 1: which is there's just a fun little side side known here.
Speaker 1: I do think probably the most interesting thing to me,
Speaker 1: because like, obviously the thing that got the most coverage
Speaker 1: in that video was Alex saying he was ready to
Speaker 1: die repeatedly. I'm ready, I'm ready to die. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: And if my kids get, if my kids get, they're
Speaker 1: gonna kill my kids. I think. Anyways, I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: positive guy. What what were we talking about? Major major
Speaker 1: league marketing? Is that what we're doing? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will note that there is one moment in that
Speaker 1: whole interview where Alex seems to react with genuine horror
Speaker 1: and empathy, and it's when Patrick Beck David talks about
Speaker 1: the time that he lost his voice for ninety days
Speaker 1: and Alex's like, Alex's response is very genuine, and he
Speaker 1: seems horrified by the thought of not being able to talk, which, well, yes,
Speaker 1: but if you recalled, he was drunk drunk. As Patrick
Speaker 1: is telling that story, Alex takes a big bite out
Speaker 1: of an apple and says life is very fragile with
Speaker 1: a mouthful of apple, and we're going then it's kind
Speaker 1: of for me when I look at somebody like you,
Speaker 1: I lost my voice for ninety days four years ago, okay,
Speaker 1: and if you're running a business, then you're selling you
Speaker 1: speaking all the time. I mean, that's not good. They
Speaker 1: thought it was a cancer at to go. It was benign.
Speaker 1: They did a surgery. I lost my voice Thanksgiving. I
Speaker 1: couldn't talk for ninety days. Voice was gone. I can
Speaker 1: speak at all, And so for me, it's a genuine
Speaker 1: rate for me to sit back and rize. You know,
Speaker 1: the smallest little thing is a big part of your life.
Speaker 1: So I felt like, if I can't speak right, I
Speaker 1: can't speak, what do I do today? Five billions were
Speaker 1: a lot of wisdom there, Alex. It's the perfect intersection
Speaker 1: of being rude and empathic at the same time. It's
Speaker 1: just those are, oh my god, that's awful. That's something
Speaker 1: happened to somebody who's not me. Anyways, This apple is delicious.
Speaker 1: So there is a point in that interview where Alex
Speaker 1: gives I think what I think is a really insightful
Speaker 1: and accurate answer to a question. I don't think he
Speaker 1: means to. I think it's just part of his spield,
Speaker 1: but I think it's one of those It's like how
Speaker 1: he accidentally proticted nine eleven because he just has been
Speaker 1: predicting disaster every day for the last twelve years. There's
Speaker 1: a moment where Patrick bet David asks him why the
Speaker 1: globalists just haven't had him it yet if he's such
Speaker 1: a threat to their schemes, and Alex notes, because they
Speaker 1: thought I was a joke, like a poison. I titrated
Speaker 1: and it's the way God works, It isn't me And
Speaker 1: I do think that's why none of the people politically
Speaker 1: who were harmed in a serious way by the influence
Speaker 1: that Jones has gathered took him seriously until after the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election, because we all just thought he was silly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with his assessment pretty fully. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's interesting to like, until very recently,
Speaker 1: his answer to why isn't he dead yet was that
Speaker 1: he's too popular to kill. Yeah, so like, it's interesting
Speaker 1: that he's even shifted that to a more introspective, actual
Speaker 1: searching answer than just like I would be too much
Speaker 1: of a problem. Yeah, it's like, no, no, I was insidious.
Speaker 1: I I flew under the radar as a goofy clown. Um.
Speaker 1: It's it's also really interesting to me how his go
Speaker 1: to description of himself is as a poison. That's just
Speaker 1: kind of fun, uh, especially for someone lead lead based pills. Um. So, now,
Speaker 1: I just listened to y'all's latest episode of Knowledge Fight
Speaker 1: where you covered episode and you revealed that Alex has
Speaker 1: There's so many new schemes coming out of Alex Jones
Speaker 1: that it's hard to to keep track of them. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I listened to this one before this episode
Speaker 1: because he is now getting into the meme making business,
Speaker 1: which is the machine. It's really it seems like he's
Speaker 1: trying to brand himself as the new site of four
Speaker 1: Chance poll Board because like one of the things that
Speaker 1: I saw the last time I visited info Wars, if
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to the dark, gross right wing corners
Speaker 1: of the Internet, there's a meme. The NPC meme has
Speaker 1: has gone viral recently, which is basically, everyone who isn't
Speaker 1: a really far right wing ship poster is is an
Speaker 1: inhuman thing incapable of independent thought. Uh, and so we
Speaker 1: described them as a non player character. There were like
Speaker 1: five or six different articles on info Wars that all
Speaker 1: included the term NPC when I visited last That's is
Speaker 1: this meme is going to change the world. It's big stuff.
Speaker 1: But did you get one? Did anyone do that to
Speaker 1: you anyone? I have not yet? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I know that Jared Holt got the MPC treatment. Great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember him posting something about that and I thought, like,
Speaker 1: all right, he seems to be taking that in stride. No,
Speaker 1: I've gotten a number of like I was doing reporting
Speaker 1: on a four chance poll board back and in two
Speaker 1: thou sixteen. I got a number of death threats back then,
Speaker 1: but I haven't gotten I don't know. Maybe I have
Speaker 1: got an MPC. Mean, nobody shared it with me on
Speaker 1: Twitter and I rarely go to pole directly. Um yeah, Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh, it is interesting, like he's he's announced that
Speaker 1: he's starting a whole new section of the site that's
Speaker 1: going to be focused around memes. And he just announced
Speaker 1: just me, just memes, because that's what it's what defeats
Speaker 1: the globalists. They don't they want you to use emojis.
Speaker 1: They want you to use emoji when and that is
Speaker 1: what the globalists have always wanted, that that ship emoji
Speaker 1: that's nowhere near as good as the ship meme. So
Speaker 1: he explained the emoji thing because I didn't even catch
Speaker 1: that on this is that what he's saying, well, Robert, ye,
Speaker 1: what you need to understand is that the Fabian socialists, uh,
Speaker 1: they are still actively involved in manipulating the world, and
Speaker 1: they want all of us to use emojis because they
Speaker 1: restrict language, because that smiley face can only mean a
Speaker 1: smiley face. It just means you're smiling, whereas memes can
Speaker 1: mean anything. They have if there's creativity within me, I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's basically what he's trying to say. But
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I believe it. I
Speaker 1: know I don't believe it. But yeah, that's his angle
Speaker 1: he's trying to make. I think it's very thin. And
Speaker 1: also I should say this, there's no way that part
Speaker 1: of the website is ever going to get made. That
Speaker 1: was Alex talking ship. That's not going to happen. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's gonna be a ten thousand dollar cause
Speaker 1: he announced a ten thousand dollar prize that he was
Speaker 1: personally going to give to the best meme. Has announced
Speaker 1: so many multi thousand dollar prizes, no one I think
Speaker 1: has ever collected on any one of those. There was
Speaker 1: that that whenever Kathy Griffin made that distasteful picture with
Speaker 1: Trump's head distasteful and heavy scare quotes. Yeah, Alex had
Speaker 1: Mike Sernovich on and they were going to start a
Speaker 1: contest where they were trying to get people to get
Speaker 1: homeless people to walk around with CNN is isis shirts
Speaker 1: and somehow they would reward people for getting homeless people
Speaker 1: to be walking billboards. That plan was to get homeless
Speaker 1: people to do it. Yeah, what kind of nonsense plan
Speaker 1: is that it was? It was pretty gross. It was
Speaker 1: pretty gross to hear. But we're gonna kill two birds
Speaker 1: with one stone. We're gonna clothe the homeless and we're
Speaker 1: gonna take Hillary down. That makes perfect sense. That literally
Speaker 1: was their angle. Yeah, And so they do this all
Speaker 1: the time. They come up with these weird ruses and
Speaker 1: media stunts, and almost never are they followed through with,
Speaker 1: except for the bill Clinton is a rapist one. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the only one that really people followed through with,
Speaker 1: And apparently Alex did pay people for that. So I
Speaker 1: do want to ask you, uh Jordan, in particular, like
Speaker 1: one of the things you all have been doing on
Speaker 1: your show that I think is really interesting is trying
Speaker 1: to trace back the origins of like nowadays pretty much
Speaker 1: constantly Alex Jones mentions George Soros, he's like the big
Speaker 1: boogeyman on Info Wars, and that has not always been
Speaker 1: the case. Uh, And I think you'll you'll documented it
Speaker 1: somewhere around two thousand nine, two doesn't ten is when
Speaker 1: he first started talking about Soros. But even then he
Speaker 1: was mentioning that the guy was really low on the
Speaker 1: totem pole. The first time that we've I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: he's been doing the show for whatever amount of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the first time that we've heard of Soros, because
Speaker 1: Dan has been conducting a an insanely thorough investigation of
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, which the ostensible point is to figure
Speaker 1: out when he joins up with the tea party. And
Speaker 1: we're three months past when the tea party started, and
Speaker 1: we've all all we've heard is nonsense. So we finally
Speaker 1: hear from one of his callers, I believe, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you hear about that Soros cat, and Alex is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Soros is bad, moving on and never speaking of this again.
Speaker 1: That was it. And then later on in he's claiming
Speaker 1: that he's known about Sorrows since the eighties, when PBS
Speaker 1: used to run a week long documentary series about how
Speaker 1: Soros is the most evil human being that there's ever been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his story has changed considerably. Yeah in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: The best I can tell, at least at the point
Speaker 1: that that we've been looking into it. The only thing
Speaker 1: that he ever has mentioned Soros about is there is
Speaker 1: a clip that came out of George Soros talking at
Speaker 1: the Davos meeting, and he mentioned the ramifications of the
Speaker 1: dropping price of oil that we experienced back then, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about how one of the after effects
Speaker 1: are going to see is that a lot of the
Speaker 1: countries that support rogue activity around the globe that are
Speaker 1: funded by oil enter ASTs and names in the number
Speaker 1: of countries and notably points out Russia as being one
Speaker 1: of them. Those countries have limited resources to use because
Speaker 1: they're not making as much as they used to after
Speaker 1: the oil price has gone down, and Alex says, George
Speaker 1: Soros is admitting that he crashed oil in order to
Speaker 1: punish these countries, which doesn't reflect the clip at all.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't really talk much about it at all.
Speaker 1: It's just sort of like a little piece he throws
Speaker 1: in and then doesn't mention him at all, and then
Speaker 1: we flashed forward to November when Glenn Beck did his uh,
Speaker 1: his disgraceful George Soros puppet master report on Fox News,
Speaker 1: and what we found was Alex's response was, this is laughable.
Speaker 1: You think George Soros is a big deal. He's middle management. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's like, he doesn't matter. George Soros doesn't make decisions.
Speaker 1: He's he's a hanger on with the globalists. And so
Speaker 1: to short version, I guess is we don't really know
Speaker 1: at this point exactly when he starts turning him into
Speaker 1: the demonic head of his enemy team. But it definitely
Speaker 1: has not been consistent. See, and that's really because in
Speaker 1: the in that old stuff, like one of the things
Speaker 1: I know he mentioned when he was talking about Soroce
Speaker 1: is that he was part of the left wing of
Speaker 1: the buzzard or whatever that is, the globalist conspiracy to
Speaker 1: destroy all freedom and whatnot. And that's the most interesting
Speaker 1: thing to me about Alex's evolution over time is how
Speaker 1: he went from this guy who was like the left
Speaker 1: and the right are both equally full of ship, and
Speaker 1: they're they're both equally bad and part of this giant conspiracy.
Speaker 1: And you know, the real important thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: freeing yourself from the New World Order, and he has
Speaker 1: completely gotten off that train now it seems like like
Speaker 1: he's not. I mean, I guess he probably still does
Speaker 1: use the New World Order phrasing, but he's become a
Speaker 1: completely partisan creature now, which is almost like kind of
Speaker 1: a heartbreaking journey for him, because it appears to be heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: But I think that the reality is that one thing
Speaker 1: that we didn't expect when we started looking back through
Speaker 1: time is that if you look at what what's motivating him,
Speaker 1: even behind the right left paradigm being an illusion and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, is that, like the reason that they're
Speaker 1: both bad is that they both want to infringe on whiteness.
Speaker 1: There is a consistent white identity defensiveness that characterizes Alex
Speaker 1: throughout all of his career that I'm able to to
Speaker 1: look into. And so my feeling on him formerly being
Speaker 1: like the right and the left both suck and now
Speaker 1: him being super conservative is more a reflection of how
Speaker 1: far the right has gone down towards what he's into,
Speaker 1: which is defending guns vociferously and being super into straight,
Speaker 1: white male Christian identity. So I think I think that
Speaker 1: he was waiting for a team to emerge that he
Speaker 1: could be a part of. And there wasn't a team.
Speaker 1: There was just basically Ron Paul that was someone he
Speaker 1: could be like, that guy is good. No, before we
Speaker 1: started doing this this oh the you know, all I
Speaker 1: knew about Alex Jones was essentially like, hey, here's this
Speaker 1: crazy guy who spouts conspiracy theories on on the radio.
Speaker 1: And as we keep going back through different eras of
Speaker 1: this time, the only thing that's consistent is white supremacy.
Speaker 1: So whenever he's going back and saying like, oh I
Speaker 1: hate George W. Bush, it's not about the rights policies
Speaker 1: in any way. It's about George W. Bush outwardly saying
Speaker 1: like maybe we should still make an inclusive world even
Speaker 1: though he's not acting it. But now that somebody is
Speaker 1: out and out saying like, have you considered that being
Speaker 1: Nazi is great? He's like, yes, I have considered that,
Speaker 1: and I agree that actually makes him make a lot
Speaker 1: more sense. And I want to, uh, I wanna. I
Speaker 1: want to move into I know you guys have some
Speaker 1: clips that you have you have curated, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to talk about those. But before we treat our listeners
Speaker 1: to some more of the best of Alex Jones. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's time to treat them to the best of some ads. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back. We're talking about Alex Jones, and Dan and
Speaker 1: Jordan have been doing this for years. You listen to
Speaker 1: hundreds of episodes of Alex Jones, and you've come across
Speaker 1: some pretty objectively insane things that a casual Jones researcher
Speaker 1: like myself could never have hoped to find. So I'm
Speaker 1: just going to hand things over to you. So why
Speaker 1: don't you set up some of these clips for us
Speaker 1: and explain what sort of bounty we have for our
Speaker 1: listeners today. Certainly a crossover. But before I get into this,
Speaker 1: I want to say I thought that your episodes are
Speaker 1: really insightful and very on point um. But two things
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out. We're one um. When you
Speaker 1: mentioned the info Wards human resource director, it's worth noting
Speaker 1: that that's Alex Jones's dad is their human resource director,
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. He's very hands on. It's really nice.
Speaker 1: It's a natural step from paying off the people that
Speaker 1: beat up your son to not complain that he's bled
Speaker 1: on their shirt to directing HR for his company. H C.
Speaker 1: I a dentist info wars HR. That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: It also implies he might be a little bit biased
Speaker 1: about harassment complaints when it's my employee and my son
Speaker 1: who is being complained about. And then the second thing
Speaker 1: was I believe in the first episode came up that
Speaker 1: Alex might be a DJ UM and this is a
Speaker 1: big misunderstanding. His cousin, Buckley is a DJ and the
Speaker 1: most important piece of information anyone needs to know about
Speaker 1: info wars. Buckley surprisingly not a terrible DJ. He's terrible, terrible.
Speaker 1: He has a SoundCloud it's Buckley Hammond h A M
Speaker 1: M A N and it banks It's pretty good. He's
Speaker 1: he's pretty talented, but I'm sorry. He's also noted multiple
Speaker 1: times on the sexual harassment UH complaints. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible persons. Yeah, always goes though, so UM.
Speaker 1: I guess the best place to start out would be UM.
Speaker 1: One of the first things I wanted to learn about
Speaker 1: was what the path from Alex being this weirdo conspiracy
Speaker 1: guy to being Trump's propagandist. I wanted to experience what
Speaker 1: that journey was like. So we went back and listened
Speaker 1: from the day of that Trump announced his candidacy to
Speaker 1: the point where he says it's Trump or die um
Speaker 1: and we experienced that ride. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that I never expected was when he announces his candidacy,
Speaker 1: Alex doesn't give a ship. He doesn't care at all.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even say anything about it on the day
Speaker 1: he announces. But on July three, he finally starts talking
Speaker 1: about Trump's candidacy, and he says this, you go and
Speaker 1: you show it at the university, four or five palace
Speaker 1: size houses, forty million million, you name it. You say,
Speaker 1: is this Donald Trump's sure? Butody thinks he's a rich guy.
Speaker 1: The guy's literally nothing, kind of just a front man
Speaker 1: for some consortiums on the East Coast. I'll leave it
Speaker 1: at that. Oh yeah, Trump's piece of work. Folks. Huh
Speaker 1: they go in there. It's just mind blow. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what to say anymore. So his initial position
Speaker 1: on it is that Trump is he's mobbed up. He
Speaker 1: starts talking, uh, yeah, absolutely. It seems like a rare
Speaker 1: instance information a few times where it's like, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you fucking nailed it. Kind of course, four months later
Speaker 1: he's like, Trump is the best guy that's ever said Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you see him for a while being kind of
Speaker 1: like dismissive of the entire candidacy. As Trump's rhetoric gets
Speaker 1: more towards what he likes to see in terms of
Speaker 1: being kind of cruel to uh, non white Christian straight Males'
Speaker 1: is like, oh, this is interesting. And then as some
Speaker 1: of these influencers Steve Pochanic, Roger Stone, Um, I believe
Speaker 1: Eric Prince also though he never shows up on the show,
Speaker 1: there's definitely indications Alex has made that he was one
Speaker 1: of his sources. And I do want to drill into
Speaker 1: that a little bit. The Eric Prince, Roger Stone, Alex
Speaker 1: like how Alex Jones ties into the Goosafer stuff because
Speaker 1: that's something I didn't get into at all because I
Speaker 1: wasn't really I didn't really know much about it until
Speaker 1: I listened to y'all talking about it. And that's can
Speaker 1: you break that down from me? I can try. It's
Speaker 1: gonna involve a little bit of conjecture because you kind
Speaker 1: of have to put together the pieces of stray things
Speaker 1: that people have said on Alex's show. Roger Stone and
Speaker 1: Steve Pochenek, who is a former psy op expert for
Speaker 1: the State Department, who is now a guy who's running
Speaker 1: psy ops on Alex on his broadcast, Uh, the two
Speaker 1: of them have multiple times on the show referenced something
Speaker 1: that they call the Group or the forty five group,
Speaker 1: and talk about how they got together and put plans
Speaker 1: in motion in order to get Trump into office. I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, but it appears, based on the
Speaker 1: rhetoric that Steve Pochenek has said on the show, that
Speaker 1: Erik Prince may or may not be a part of
Speaker 1: that group as well or in some way working with them,
Speaker 1: Because one of the Alex's big things was this idea
Speaker 1: of there was a soft coup going on within the
Speaker 1: government against Hillary Clinton, and his belief about it is
Speaker 1: is basically that their forces within the military that we're
Speaker 1: working with Russia and ASSAD in order to crush ISIS
Speaker 1: and they did this behind the back of Obama. And
Speaker 1: when you really sort through the muck and you see
Speaker 1: like what comes through the sifter, it appears that probably
Speaker 1: Erik Prince, as a guy who runs a mercenary organization,
Speaker 1: may have made a deal with Russia in some way.
Speaker 1: And this is what's being translated to Alex as our
Speaker 1: military made a deal in order to fight isis so crazy.
Speaker 1: I believe a lot of this information that clearly relates
Speaker 1: to Erik Prince is being filtered through Steve Pochenek and
Speaker 1: being translated onto Alex's broadcast as the idea that there
Speaker 1: are patriots within these communities that are fighting back against
Speaker 1: the globalist Hillary Clinton forces, and so that makes him
Speaker 1: think that he has like real legitimate backing within the
Speaker 1: government when it appears that well, unfortunately now is the case. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the most fun thing about Roger Stone calling something
Speaker 1: the group of is that you you can place that
Speaker 1: within such a wide spectrum. It could literally be a
Speaker 1: Facebook group chat, or it could be an eyes wide
Speaker 1: shut orgy and there's it could be anywhere in between.
Speaker 1: Roger Stone is that guy of, Like it could be
Speaker 1: so boring, or it could be the weirdest sex party.
Speaker 1: Because I know, I can't believe that Alex Jones has
Speaker 1: not been to a party that was shot for shot
Speaker 1: indistinguishable from the one in Ice Wide Shot. Um, like
Speaker 1: that's his Thursday. Uh, He's just that kind of guy. Um.
Speaker 1: I got with Charlie Sheen during his most wild times
Speaker 1: and uh is now good friends with Roger Stone, it
Speaker 1: seems I mean, it's I don't think that Alex doesn't
Speaker 1: like to party, do you guys notorious for not having
Speaker 1: any sexually transmitted infections at all. So with the like,
Speaker 1: it seems like Jones was essentially used as like the
Speaker 1: dissemination point for some of this hacked information that like
Speaker 1: Roger Stone may have been a broker from like that's
Speaker 1: kind of the rough picture you can put together. It
Speaker 1: appears so. And in Roger Stones case specifically, we went
Speaker 1: back to the day, uh that when when all that
Speaker 1: information came out about Roger Stones context with Goose for
Speaker 1: two point oh. We went back to I believe it
Speaker 1: was August sixteen, that right, Roger Stone calls it the
Speaker 1: day the music died. I believe. Yeah, we went back
Speaker 1: to that day and we found Alex teasing secret information
Speaker 1: that and it ends up being what Wiki leaks puts out.
Speaker 1: So there there is an indication that he has got
Speaker 1: contact from Roger Stone, that Roger has made contact with
Speaker 1: this other source. And mysteriously, even before the YouTube channel
Speaker 1: was taken down, that episode is one of the only
Speaker 1: ones that wasn't available on his YouTube channel that day
Speaker 1: had been taken down or hidden somehow, but generally I
Speaker 1: used to be able to find all of his episodes
Speaker 1: just easily on YouTube, and that one I actually had
Speaker 1: to dig for. That's really interesting. It's suspicious. It doesn't
Speaker 1: prove anything, but it's suspicious. No, And it's a more
Speaker 1: believable conspiracy than anything I've heard from Alex Jones in
Speaker 1: quite a while. And I should say that it does
Speaker 1: sound conspiratorial to say, like, there's this group or what
Speaker 1: have you, and I wouldn't feel comfortable saying it if
Speaker 1: it weren't something that was brought up by multiple guests
Speaker 1: of Alex Jones's show that publicly pretend they don't know
Speaker 1: each other. So it seems incongruous that Steve Pochenk and
Speaker 1: Roger Stone would both be on the show and before
Speaker 1: that point be very clearly saying that they don't know
Speaker 1: each other and referencing the same group of people who
Speaker 1: are pushing behind the scenes for Trump to be president.
Speaker 1: Best argument against that, though, is if it is an
Speaker 1: eyes wide shut orgy, everybody's wearing masks, that's true, everybody's
Speaker 1: wearing masks. You don't know. Steve Pachet could have been
Speaker 1: inside Roger Stone and neither of them. Know, yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: you're running a political campaign. Sometimes you're sucking a scyops director.
Speaker 1: It all happens. I thought you were going to say,
Speaker 1: running a train on a side. So, uh, you want
Speaker 1: to set up the next clip? Uh? Yeah, what's this one?
Speaker 1: This one? The clip title is augusteen, Alex sort of
Speaker 1: confesses to murder. This is one of the weirdest clips
Speaker 1: that we've ever encountered on the show, and it is
Speaker 1: in the middle of an episode that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this sort of topic, but Alex confesses, Uh,
Speaker 1: it might have been involved in the crime. Google would
Speaker 1: love to have me arrested and killed. Garrol t she
Speaker 1: I've never killed anybody technically one guy, proper layer, but
Speaker 1: technically out of the point is I've never killed anyone,
Speaker 1: and people have helped trying to kill millions. Now I've
Speaker 1: never killed a guy. Maybe one Wait wait, what what
Speaker 1: do we get any more to tail out of that?
Speaker 1: Because I have no trouble believing Alex Jones killed a guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: A number of our listeners have spent sculated that what
Speaker 1: he's referring to is like he's talked about, like as
Speaker 1: a younger man bashing someone's head into the concrete and
Speaker 1: then like you you even mentioned that you put a
Speaker 1: guy into a coma, and there's a decent chance that
Speaker 1: maybe that person died later of medical complications, and Alex
Speaker 1: considers that to be like, I kind of killed that guy.
Speaker 1: He put it into a coma. Yeah, I believe I
Speaker 1: thought you did. His dad paid off some people. Uh,
Speaker 1: one of them was a guy that Alex put into
Speaker 1: a coma. Oh no, I was talking about the There
Speaker 1: was a police report from like, t what's that you're
Speaker 1: talking about? Space Hitler. Yes, Space Hitler, the fight with
Speaker 1: Space Hitler. Because it doesn't seem like anyone got really
Speaker 1: hurt with that. I had no idea he put a
Speaker 1: guy in a coma. There's another story that Alex tells about.
Speaker 1: He presents it as he was being bullied and picked
Speaker 1: on and then the bully didn't realize that he could go,
Speaker 1: and so he didn't. He couldn't stop himself. When the
Speaker 1: rage got in him, he was bashing his head into
Speaker 1: the concrete and put him into a coma, and his
Speaker 1: dad ended up getting sued because that guy's dad sued him.
Speaker 1: But it appears that it would be when he was
Speaker 1: a juvenile so it wouldn't appear in like open records
Speaker 1: or anything, because I found no evidence of that in
Speaker 1: any of the and people have dug pretty deep into
Speaker 1: his into his background, but um man, that would be
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's fascinating that a lot of the
Speaker 1: times the best way to dig deep into Alex's background
Speaker 1: is to just let him talk, Like doing a lot
Speaker 1: of research can sometimes hurt you, other than corroborating the
Speaker 1: dumb ship that he said, like because one of the
Speaker 1: and that's one of the most fascinating parts about studying
Speaker 1: Alex Jones is unlike uh, Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity,
Speaker 1: Alex says the quiet parts loud so much. He's the
Speaker 1: weakest link of the right wing propaganda machine. So anytime
Speaker 1: you want to find out what the real goal behind
Speaker 1: propaganda is, just listen to Alex given a side like, oh,
Speaker 1: and the Hillary is trying to kill everybody. The reason
Speaker 1: that I'm saying this is because and then he just
Speaker 1: fills in the blank for you, like it's fascinating. He
Speaker 1: has very little filter and he's frequently drunk on air,
Speaker 1: So that's part of why he's worth covering to me,
Speaker 1: because like one of the things when I when I
Speaker 1: did Alex Jones, a bunch of people on fans on
Speaker 1: Twitter asked about, like, when am I going to cover
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk of those guys, And the
Speaker 1: answer is never, because the only people I want to
Speaker 1: focus on this show are they're all terrible, but there's
Speaker 1: something impressive about all of them. They've all like and
Speaker 1: Alex Jones is an impressive human being. He's a person
Speaker 1: who was accomplished things that have altered the world. Been
Speaker 1: Shapiro is like a cheap xerox copy of Alex Jones,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't have the courage to be as crazy
Speaker 1: or racist or violent as Alex Jones, but he still
Speaker 1: sells supplements like he's just a rip off. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no point in covering the rip off. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the real fucking thing. I agree entirely. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's something I was thinking about, like in terms of
Speaker 1: our own show, because we we like to try and
Speaker 1: not just talk about Alex Jones, like to try and
Speaker 1: cover some other things, and people like Charlie Kirk or
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro even or a lot of these guys, they're
Speaker 1: just as dangerous in many ways, but their beliefs all
Speaker 1: still boiled down to a lot of this idea of
Speaker 1: cultural Marxism, the globalist, all of their beliefs tied up
Speaker 1: in the very same things that Alex has been covering
Speaker 1: for twenty years. So they are clearly inspired by Alex,
Speaker 1: and they're just so much less fun. Ben Shapiro sucks
Speaker 1: to listen to. He's the worst. Yeah, he's even worse
Speaker 1: than listening to Paul Joseph Watson. And that is that
Speaker 1: is a bar so low, it's a floor, right, yeah, sane,
Speaker 1: it sucks? How much too? How do these guys do it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't understand. I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's you know what. Let's let's wash the taste
Speaker 1: of thinking about Paul Joseph Watson out of our heads
Speaker 1: with another pautiful Alex Jones clip. You want to set
Speaker 1: this one up? Yeah, this one is that's a good transition,
Speaker 1: my friend. We have this one for episode. This one
Speaker 1: is called Alex is freaked Out by American Muslims. And
Speaker 1: I believe that this um sort of represents you were
Speaker 1: mentioning that he's kind of a racist biggotty kind of guy.
Speaker 1: And Kyle Albert uh and I think that this demonstrates
Speaker 1: his uh just sort of baseline position a boy people
Speaker 1: that are different than him. Detroit School to hold Muslim
Speaker 1: girls only. Prom Let me tell you something he didn't
Speaker 1: A hundreds of thousands Obama brought in everywhere I went
Speaker 1: in Austin yesterday, including a suburb. I went in two shops,
Speaker 1: a Starbucks, and then I went in the pool supply
Speaker 1: place and they were like seven people in the Starbucks.
Speaker 1: Three of them were young Muslim girls with hoods over
Speaker 1: their heads, drinking coffee after school. Then I went to
Speaker 1: Pulse of Pope place, same deal. And all I'm telling
Speaker 1: you is, imagine if you were in Saudi Arabia, and
Speaker 1: in Sali Arabia they were walking the stores and they
Speaker 1: were Christians and women with lipstick on and high heels everywhere,
Speaker 1: they start physically attacking you. But here we're tolerant. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, we're letting in people in mass that are
Speaker 1: not tolerant, that are the most oppressive cult like people
Speaker 1: on earth. And it freaks me out. You bet, I'm
Speaker 1: freaked out that I am. So what's freaking him out
Speaker 1: is Muslim girls, just teenage teenage girls just at a pulse.
Speaker 1: And the way he describes I forgot completely that he
Speaker 1: describes them as Muslim girls in hoods, like not not
Speaker 1: Muslims girls wearing a job or or anything, just like
Speaker 1: they're wearing hoods. Like they might even have been wearing
Speaker 1: a hoodie. They might have just been girls wearing hoodies.
Speaker 1: It's it's really and this is like another one of
Speaker 1: those far right sort of Islamophobic things that frustrates me.
Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, Saudi Arabia is a garbage country with
Speaker 1: garbage laws. I've spent a lot of time in the
Speaker 1: Muslim world doing things that Muslims shouldn't do, like being very,
Speaker 1: very drunk, and usually the people serving me would be
Speaker 1: observant Muslims, and they're always just so happy to get
Speaker 1: you what you want four screwdrivers. I'm just so happy
Speaker 1: to be able to like treat you as my guest
Speaker 1: right now. I just let let me, let me keep
Speaker 1: pouring this for you, like I've never encountered any uh
Speaker 1: like not that it doesn't happen in parts of the country,
Speaker 1: but like in or in parts of the the Arab world,
Speaker 1: but like as a general rule, I've encountered in my
Speaker 1: life in the South more Christians who would judge me
Speaker 1: for not looking like them than Muslims who would judge
Speaker 1: me for doing something that is forbidden in their faith. Totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I've heard from other folks who
Speaker 1: had similar experiences. But I have not done too much
Speaker 1: traveling myself, but it's what I hear. It's never a
Speaker 1: bad idea to point out that people are not their governments.
Speaker 1: People are not their governments policies. People are by and
Speaker 1: large good people. What other people are doing, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got my own ship to worry about. What about Oh
Speaker 1: you're drinking? My daughter is dating a rocker like about fine? Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: a Saudi Arabian punk rocker, you know the band? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But in that clip, the thing that I think it
Speaker 1: really is what drives at home for me and is
Speaker 1: the most the reason why I generally choose this to
Speaker 1: be indicative of Alex's bigotry. Well, he said a lot
Speaker 1: of other, maybe much more offensively bigoted things. This one
Speaker 1: is he's complaining about the idea that Muslims are coming
Speaker 1: to America and that they're awful or scary to him.
Speaker 1: In some way, and then he goes on to describe
Speaker 1: what could be Muslim women doing very American things. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He's talking about people who are uh absorbing our way
Speaker 1: of life, going to a Starbucks, going to a pool
Speaker 1: supply shop, and that freaks him out. He's freaked out
Speaker 1: by the idea of assimilation, not the idea of non assimilation.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a general truth whenever these people
Speaker 1: talk about how when whenever they frame it as like,
Speaker 1: my issue is that these people coming to the country
Speaker 1: won't assimilate. No, your issue is that they will. They
Speaker 1: will become part of the fabric of this country, and
Speaker 1: both they and the country will change as a result,
Speaker 1: because that's how the world works. And that's what fucking
Speaker 1: terrifies you. And your straight white identity won't have as
Speaker 1: much purchase as it used to. You won't have the
Speaker 1: security of power that you once enjoyed. And it's a
Speaker 1: classic example of him invalidating his own argument with the
Speaker 1: sentence that's supposed to validate his argument, Like when he says,
Speaker 1: you know, if you go to Saudi Arabia and you
Speaker 1: were lipstick, they'll they'll physically attack you. But here we're tolerant,
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, you just literally said that you
Speaker 1: didn't want Muslim girls in a pool supply store. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about, we'd tolerant. There's nothing there's nothing
Speaker 1: more sacred to an American than a pool supply store.
Speaker 1: That actually, you know, I really there's something that just
Speaker 1: makes me tear up with patriotic vigor when I see
Speaker 1: a bottle of meriatic acid that really just shivers. Are
Speaker 1: the only two things that I think America stands for.
Speaker 1: So I want to hear the rest of your clips.
Speaker 1: But this has gone on long enough that we're going
Speaker 1: to do a an ad pivot, uh, which I I
Speaker 1: just announced and you shouldn't but by these products and
Speaker 1: we're back this uh. This clip here is Alex likes
Speaker 1: to talk about how everyone accuses him of being a
Speaker 1: Russian agent. He he complains about that all the time.
Speaker 1: He uh says, it's very unfair. It's a terrible criticism
Speaker 1: of him. One of the things that we found when
Speaker 1: we were looking over turning into being Trump's mouthpiece, we
Speaker 1: found that he was super into Putin before he was
Speaker 1: into Trump. Even as he's saying Trump is a mob boss. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's articulating things along the lines of Putin is like
Speaker 1: he represents hope for the world and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: It's very Russian positive. Would you say that Vladimir Putin
Speaker 1: was like his gateway autocrat. I think I think he
Speaker 1: might have been. Yeah, I'm not sure of any others
Speaker 1: that I can think of that he sort of full
Speaker 1: throaded Lee approved of before then. But he he's very
Speaker 1: much into Russia and Russia's line of propaganda in the world,
Speaker 1: even before he gets in with Trump. And so in
Speaker 1: October we found this clip that is really upsetting. H
Speaker 1: if you consider, um, you know now him saying, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I have nothing to do with Russia. This
Speaker 1: clip is October alex Is debriefed. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: the big lessons and yes, the Russian government listeners of
Speaker 1: the show. Then I was told that by RT International,
Speaker 1: one of their main heads. I'll leave it at that,
Speaker 1: in a Skype interview where I was told it was
Speaker 1: a Skype interview, and it wasn't a Skype interview. Once
Speaker 1: they cut to me, they started interrogating me in a
Speaker 1: big table with a bunch of top Russians that and
Speaker 1: asking me questions, and then they have been threatened to
Speaker 1: never had me back on our T by the U
Speaker 1: S government. They were basically asked me who I was,
Speaker 1: who I worked for, how I could do certain things.
Speaker 1: And they were asking me if I was a US
Speaker 1: government agent or who I worked for, and I said
Speaker 1: I worked for liberty. But that's the level I met.
Speaker 1: Where like a James Bond movie, it's not our T.
Speaker 1: It's a big table in a government building with a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys staring at me. And I see him
Speaker 1: on TV sometimes it's like Russian you know, leaders Puttin
Speaker 1: listens to the show is the point. That's the point
Speaker 1: I am. I am sure that Vladimir Putin in between Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm certain he's listening to four hour Info Wars episodes
Speaker 1: in his busy days. It's a birthday thing, like on
Speaker 1: his birthday, somebody murders a journalist and he listened to
Speaker 1: Alex Jones. So that's just a good day, just kind
Speaker 1: of how Yeah. It's one of the skills that I
Speaker 1: think you can develop from listening to a ton of
Speaker 1: this stuff is sort of sussing out when Alex is
Speaker 1: lying and when he's not um And there's little characteristic
Speaker 1: flourishes when he lies of like, he really overdoes. So,
Speaker 1: there were three globalists in a hot tub. He's talking
Speaker 1: to three globalists. Two of them were wearing lovely suits
Speaker 1: in the hot tub. The other one was actually wearing
Speaker 1: a full suit in the hot tub. And then an
Speaker 1: info warrior comes in and joins the hot tub group
Speaker 1: and they're both sitting around the hot tub group. The
Speaker 1: info warrior says something and he goes Alex Jones, and
Speaker 1: then the three globalists turned into demons and they fly away.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's how incredibly detailed his stories are. Whenever
Speaker 1: he's making ship up, he gets really granular when he lies. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so when you when I hear a story like that, um,
Speaker 1: I hear the ring of truth to the the sort
Speaker 1: of boring nous of some of the details, and the
Speaker 1: and the sort of concreteness of it. He goes in
Speaker 1: for an interview that he thinks is an interview. It's
Speaker 1: actually some Russian agents who want to talk to him
Speaker 1: about like, Hey, you're saying a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: we're into. Oh, also, let's flatter you and say that
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is a huge fan of your work. And
Speaker 1: then he comes away from that being super in favor
Speaker 1: of Russia's angle in the world, to the point where
Speaker 1: any time there's uh, the world believes ex Russia believes
Speaker 1: why he believes why. There's not necessarily it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: proof that like he works for them or anything like that.
Speaker 1: That would be crazy, but it is proof that I
Speaker 1: think he's been compromised by flattery. I mean, we do
Speaker 1: know that there's only one there's a there's one degree
Speaker 1: of separation between Alex Jones and Vladimir Putin because Alex
Speaker 1: Jones is friends with Steven Seagal, who has been on
Speaker 1: his show that Seagal is friends with Vladimir Putin. So
Speaker 1: you could even go with Alexander Dugan. Uh, He's been
Speaker 1: on Alex's show multiple times. And right after the election,
Speaker 1: Alex was on Alexander Dugan's show in Russia where Alex
Speaker 1: almost cried while Dugan told him that he was the
Speaker 1: model of an American man and he had single handedly
Speaker 1: solved American Russian relations. Yeah, I believe Alex broke down
Speaker 1: and crying and then asked Alexander Dugan to be as
Speaker 1: head of HR because his his daddy issues are a
Speaker 1: little bit harsh vacation. So uh, let's get to this mystery.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's crack this caper. Okay, So shall
Speaker 1: I play this clip and then you you um tell
Speaker 1: me what? Yeah this is. This is a clip that
Speaker 1: you guys put on your show pretty regularly when you
Speaker 1: announce your new uh patrion backers and stuff. And it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's never not hypnotized me into wanting to know what
Speaker 1: what the context is. So yeah, play the clip and
Speaker 1: then our our listeners will be curious too. I mentioned
Speaker 1: this on Saturday to the pulpit that some want someone
Speaker 1: sodomite sent me a bucket of poop? Did I tell
Speaker 1: you all that? And that's what's the name of that clip,
Speaker 1: that is, Uh, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's very self explainatory that. So that comes from a
Speaker 1: sermon or a broadcast that was made by a guy
Speaker 1: named Reverend James David Manning. Uh three names perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He used to be a regular guest on Alex's show
Speaker 1: UM and would come on and talk about how um
Speaker 1: Starbucks was putting semen in people's latte's. Uh, there was
Speaker 1: all kinds of fun conspiracs extra because there's a couple
Speaker 1: of grands of protein in that. And I can tell
Speaker 1: you on a day when I'm really no, Okay, well
Speaker 1: it's a four seventy nine, I'll tell you that. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it's four seventy nine. He Uh,
Speaker 1: Manning would come on and engage in largely some pretty homophobic,
Speaker 1: Islamophobic conspiracy theories. Um. And so he's talking about how
Speaker 1: you know, the gays are so out of control one
Speaker 1: of them sent me a bucket of poop. Uh And uh,
Speaker 1: I just thought that was pretty fun. We did, um,
Speaker 1: we did an episode about him being on Alex's show
Speaker 1: and how crazy it is that those worlds intersected. Um.
Speaker 1: And in doing that episode, we learned that as soon
Speaker 1: as Trump got elected, Reverend Manning decided this isn't the
Speaker 1: way to go, and he decided that Trump was the
Speaker 1: devil and he now calls him tribulation Trump and refuses
Speaker 1: to go on Alex's show ever. Again, it's not bad,
Speaker 1: you know that, that's actually a really satisfying arc. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And kudos to that guy for not like like Alex
Speaker 1: Jones has been inconsistent to a degree because like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's always been the he's just the whole. The thing
Speaker 1: that he's supporting the greatest authority in the land now
Speaker 1: is very much counter to at least this guy's consistent.
Speaker 1: You know, that's good. I respect that. Tip of the
Speaker 1: hat to the reverend. Tip of the hat to the reverend.
Speaker 1: Uh and he saw the mines listening. If you want
Speaker 1: to send the guy a bucket of poop, it seems
Speaker 1: like you can find his address you just google law ministries.
Speaker 1: Oh man, well, I think that's gonna be our episode
Speaker 1: for the day. I am very gratefully to you for
Speaker 1: putting those clips together, and too to both of y'all
Speaker 1: for sharing your encyclopedic in somewhat frightening knowledge of Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: I do want to kind of close by asking are
Speaker 1: y'all worried about him? Because I'm a little worried about
Speaker 1: him about his mental and physical health. I'm worried for
Speaker 1: his kids. Yeah, we're Yeah, that's that's that's sort of
Speaker 1: where I land on it. Like, if he flames out
Speaker 1: in self destruct, I'm not really concerned about that. But
Speaker 1: if you know, if he hurts other people on the
Speaker 1: way down, then that's kind of I am worried about that.
Speaker 1: It looks like he could end up really screwing up
Speaker 1: some people's lives. I I feel like the same feeling
Speaker 1: that you get when you start reading a serial killers
Speaker 1: backstory where you read about the serial killer who killed
Speaker 1: like eight people. You're like, Oh, this guy's a monster,
Speaker 1: and then you find out, oh, he was horribly sexually
Speaker 1: abused as a child and all of this, this just
Speaker 1: mountainous ride of bullshit happened to him, and then you
Speaker 1: kind of start to empathize with this monster. So the
Speaker 1: more time we spend with Alex Jones, the more you
Speaker 1: find out that this is most likely a guy who
Speaker 1: has malignant narcissism with most likely a certain amount of
Speaker 1: schizophrenia built around it, and unfortunately was introduced to like
Speaker 1: John Birch society ideas at a young age and didn't
Speaker 1: really understand what he was reading, and that's shaped him
Speaker 1: um as a political actor exactly. So so as somebody
Speaker 1: who has been like I'm I'm bipolar type one, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's always an instinct that I have to empathize
Speaker 1: with somebody who is struggling with something that a you know,
Speaker 1: suck quote unquote normal people don't have to deal with
Speaker 1: and at the same time, you know, not everybody with
Speaker 1: the ship with the shitty childhood becomes a serial killer.
Speaker 1: So funk that guy, you know? Yeah, I mean, because
Speaker 1: you got like the Chabanni guy who sued Alex and
Speaker 1: then kindly shows not to take control of him Info
Speaker 1: wars essentially like that guy was a refugee. That guy
Speaker 1: grew up with some probably a way more difficult childhood
Speaker 1: than Alex Jones, but rather than turning into a a
Speaker 1: red anger goblin, became a philanthropist who helps refugees. I'm
Speaker 1: staunchly anti billionaire to the point of, like we need
Speaker 1: to start sending Jeff Bezos buckets of poop. But hamdi Olakaya,
Speaker 1: he's not a bad guy. If someone's gonna have like
Speaker 1: I would prefer, we live in a world where nobody
Speaker 1: accumulate quite that much wealth. But he seems to be
Speaker 1: one of the ones who's been the most responsible with it. Exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I think when you focus on helping other
Speaker 1: people and inclusion and that sort of thing, it sort
Speaker 1: of helps your soul. Whereas when you're really obsessed with
Speaker 1: exclusion in the way that Alex Jones, is it erodes
Speaker 1: you no matter what, like, no matter how much money
Speaker 1: you make, no matter how much fame and acclaim you get,
Speaker 1: it'll just a road you And I think that's the
Speaker 1: difference between him and someone like Hamdi. I think that's
Speaker 1: a great note to close out on. So do you
Speaker 1: guys want to plug your plug doubles before we before
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