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Speaker 2: All right, it is time. This is sort of the

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Speaker 2: move into August very quickly, John, former NFL scout three

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Speaker 2: and out. You know, I was thinking about it this

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Speaker 2: weekend that it's been an interesting summer. COPA, the Euros,

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Speaker 2: Is that I used to always view like August as

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Speaker 2: start by like August twelfth, and it's like what happened

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Speaker 2: So do you have a big August plan or to

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Speaker 1: Yeah? To me July we've been gone for a month.

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Speaker 1: We're in Tahoe and home with our family. But talking

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Speaker 2: I keep telling people before we get into NFL, I

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Speaker 2: and I'm a PAC twelve guy, and it, you know, imploded.

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Speaker 2: an AFC, NFC and college football. Venture capitalists will probably

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Speaker 2: and I said, when Harbaugh got to Michigan, he actually overachieved.

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Speaker 2: you know it's full of Penn States and LSU's and

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Speaker 2: What does USC have to win? So you John Middelkoff go,

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Speaker 1: Well, my buddy, Guy Harman and Yogi are doing Big

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Speaker 2: If they can't beat Michigan. So Michigan lost eighteen pros,

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Speaker 1: I think the problem. And you use Harvard as an example.

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Speaker 1: Jim was a Michigan man, right, so he resonated with

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Speaker 1: college more than the pros, that's a big deal. No

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Speaker 1: of matters. And let's face it, Lincoln is a Texas guy,

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Speaker 1: more success at a higher level. But if you go

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Speaker 1: I mean, if their quarterback is just decent. They should

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Speaker 1: a step back. Ohio State's got the best roster in

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Speaker 1: what he's doing in college football, Luke, it's just a

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Speaker 1: very difficult. And you know, these people, a lot of

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Speaker 1: And the bigger check that you start cutting, I think

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Speaker 2: By the way, what's going to happen in college football

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Speaker 2: So I've talked to two different athletic directors. Is these

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Speaker 2: thirteen and fifteen million in IOL That's what I've been told.

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Speaker 2: That's their annual budget. They're building new facilities. That money's

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Speaker 2: You organizationally kind of run our personnel. You don't get

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Speaker 2: a massive shift going on. UCLA can't compete at all.

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Speaker 2: Thank god they're moving to the Big ten because the

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Speaker 2: home attendants will bully their you know, their revenue, but

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Speaker 2: they have a debt service every year. They they're they're

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Speaker 1: That's which is crazy because he was a high level

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I for the record, you bringing up Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at all these new contracts, and you

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Speaker 2: I like my I like my quarterbacks like my furniture,

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Speaker 2: big and hard to move.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the old school quarterbacks. Anyone that's ever met

431
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Speaker 1: one of these guys, Carson Palmer, Eli or Peyton. Did

432
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Speaker 1: you see the pictures of Peyton at Team USA practice

433
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Speaker 1: standing next to all these guys that are six seven

434
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Speaker 1: and six ten. He does not look that much smaller

435
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Speaker 1: than any of them. I know, the Mannings are huge.

436
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer is a giant, Philip Rivers is huge. Well,

437
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: that's how Tua plays. The problem is he's six feet tall. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 1: and he's got a weak arm, so he doesn't translate

439
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Speaker 1: to the winter. Well, he plays in the division with

440
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: cold weather teams. So I just I get investing in them.

441
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: And if you would have said, hey, they signed him

442
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Speaker 1: to a three year, one hundred million dollar deal and

443
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 1: they guaranteed every penion, Like I kind of get it.

444
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: But to pay him enormous money I think is insane.

445
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know. Like when it comes to Jordan Love,

446
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: if you and I pulled every GM we know and

447
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Speaker 1: said who would you take for this next five years?

448
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Love or to us that all take Jordan, it'd

449
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: be unanimous. It would be one hundred percent. So Jordan

450
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: Love technically signed for less. That's what I just think.

451
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: I listen, I don't get it. That's I'm shortened the

452
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Speaker 1: Dolphins for the next three or four years. I'll tell

453
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Speaker 1: you that.

454
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Speaker 2: And here's the other issue. In thirty two years since

455
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Speaker 2: Brett Favre arrived, it's been thirty two years since he

456
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: stepped foot he was a Packer. The Packers have the

457
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Speaker 2: number one rated offense in the league, second winning his

458
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: team to New England, and have never in thirty two

459
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: years that I recall, have a bad offensive line. So

460
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Speaker 2: if you look at the ancillary reality of Green Bay,

461
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Love will get better protection on average and better

462
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 2: coaching on average. So Jordan Love got paid less and

463
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: has much better support system. So I mean, Stephen Ross

464
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: is one of the richer owners, but do you really

465
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: trust him. He's always been a distracted owner and Miami

466
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: hasn't had a great offensive line since Don Shula. So

467
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Speaker 2: my take is, not only don't I Love the to

468
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: a contract, but let's just be honest, over five years

469
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Speaker 2: of it, he'll have middle of the Paco lines and

470
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: there's the possibility that they won't draft terribly well. I

471
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Speaker 2: mean Green Bay is I said this the other day,

472
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Speaker 2: like there's certain people. If Spielberg makes a movie or

473
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Speaker 2: is involved in something, if you go to his like

474
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: movie page, it's almost always good. He doesn't he has

475
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Speaker 2: B projects. He doesn't have any c's like Green Bay.

476
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: If they had a bad season, it's because a quarterback

477
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Speaker 2: got hurt. I mean, there'll be two A minus virtually

478
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: B plus to A minus every year in my life.

479
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: So the other thing I don't like about Tua is

480
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Speaker 2: Marino had shula. I don't think Mike McDaniels. I guess

481
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Speaker 2: the way I would say it's this, there are about

482
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Speaker 2: four organizations and four ownership groups I just trust implicitly,

483
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Speaker 2: and Miami's not one of them.

484
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Speaker 1: No, I think people often ask like, why have the

485
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: Ravens stayed so consistent over now two and a half decades.

486
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: They've had the same people there forever. So Eric Acosta,

487
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: who's now in charge, worked for Ozzie Newson for twenty years. Well,

488
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: when you look at the Packers, it's kind of similar.

489
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Speaker 1: Maybe coaches, you know, they go from McCarthy to the floor.

490
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: But Gudakins worked for Ted Thompson, who worked for Ron Wolfe.

491
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Speaker 1: I mean, the carryover of the philosophical beliefs of the

492
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Speaker 1: organization have not changed the non negotiables of what you

493
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: look for in players, the way you develop. Obviously in

494
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: Green Bay they love offensive coaches, and I think when

495
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Speaker 1: you look at Jordan Love, I don't think they get

496
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: enough credit because we just the way our society works,

497
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: were always onto the next for when they pulled the

498
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Speaker 1: trigger on drafting him, I mean, it was pretty ugly.

499
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: They got destroyed. You know. Charlie Munger says, if you

500
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: can't handle you know, the fifty percent downturns, you deserve

501
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: the mediocre returns. Well, they that was ugly. I mean,

502
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Speaker 1: it created this weird dynamic with Rogers. It was crazy,

503
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Speaker 1: even though Rogers member was coming off that kind of

504
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: weird season their first year. But when they did it

505
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: well three four years later, it's paying off big dividends.

506
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Now they're still risk involved. But there are still some

507
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Speaker 1: unknown with this player. He's only had eight good games.

508
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you have watched any of

509
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Speaker 1: just I watched a little bit of his press conference

510
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I think yesterday, and I saw a clip today with

511
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Speaker 1: the NFL networkers there. Just because he's been the backup

512
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: you haven't really heard. He's pretty impressive, yes, you just

513
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: as a guy, and yes, his maturity. I was like,

514
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: oh damn, that's this is this has a Mahomes Josh Allen,

515
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: the way he carries himself. And obviously, like you said,

516
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Speaker 1: first off, you have to have the physical Alex Smith

517
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: checked every box except weak armed. Yeah, you know, he

518
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: had a great arm. He would have been Aaron Rodgers

519
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: or something, you know. And that's what this guy has.

520
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: He has these physical characteristics, he has the infrastructure around him,

521
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: and then he has the maturity. I I think you

522
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Speaker 1: just I don't know if he's gonna be then Aaron

523
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Speaker 1: Rodgers two point zero, but how's he not gonna be

524
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: pretty damn good, you know? And that's it's listen my life.

525
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Joe Montana was a little bit before me. I remember

526
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: as a kid he was more on the Chiefs than

527
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Speaker 1: Steve Young and then Jeff Garcia, who was nowhere near

528
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: as good as those two, but he was still damn

529
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Speaker 1: good going the Pro Bowl. I think this guy has

530
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: a chance to be like their version of Jeff Garcia,

531
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: but the but actually closer to Rogers or Farth. And

532
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: that's why I think they are. They feel really good.

533
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Now he got he got seventy five million dollars signing bonus,

534
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: he will get seventy five million dollars. I think it's

535
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: three twenty five million dollar direct deposits between now and

536
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: like mid December. So I mean they're pushing all their

537
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: chips in the middle of the table on this. But

538
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: I think you ask people around the league, any person

539
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: that watched them, if you're a fan of the Packers,

540
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, I get it, I would do it.

541
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: Or the opposite reaction to Tua, like did you need

542
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: to do this? That's my question? Did you need to

543
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: do this? Well, the everything you know NBA. You know

544
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: when NBA teams just max out guys like you're a

545
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: forty win team, you have to pay this guy two

546
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. You don't, right.

547
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Speaker 2: But I also think last year when I watched Green Bay,

548
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: I actually thought it was Matt Lafleur's team. When I

549
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: watched them, I thought, oh, I feel like I'm watching

550
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: Matt Lafluur's play calling. And I think you have to

551
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: kind of you know, I mean, the Jets or the

552
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: Packers with Aaron Rodgers, it's kind of Aaron's team, and

553
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: that's you know.

554
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: You just deal with that.

555
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Even Brady, as great as he was, especially in New England,

556
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: maybe less so. And Tampa, I mean Tom kind of

557
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: let the coach call the plays. Peyton knows kind of

558
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: around the offense he wanted. So I feel like that's

559
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: the other thing with Jordan love really coachable, really easy.

560
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to kind of jump into

561
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: is I don't know why I'm so interested in this,

562
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: but I am. This is my this is kind of

563
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: my thing. I talked to Dave wants that about this.

564
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: So this is not an opinion by me. This is

565
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: the truth. When when Russell Wilson gets married, he doesn't

566
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: have ten players at the wedding with Ciarra. He's never

567
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: been wildly popular inside of his locker rooms, and he's

568
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: been good. It's like generally good looking, rich guy, beautiful wife.

569
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: You'd be just by you know, just the way the

570
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: world works, you'd be kind of popular.

571
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Speaker 3: He's not.

572
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: Really.

573
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: We've seen players in Denver, we've seen players in Seattle.

574
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Coaches take shots at Russell. I like him, but he

575
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: comes off to a lot of people as inauthentic. So

576
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's changed. In fact, he's befriended.

577
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: I've been told Mike Tomlin more than any teammate, like

578
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: he's because Tomlin, by the way, is like Russell wealthy,

579
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, worth seventy five to one hundred million dollars

580
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: or more. So he's befriended. You know, Tomlin not a teammate.

581
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: And then here comes Justin Fields, who to the last

582
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: day in Chicago. Despite being the worst fourth quarter quarterback

583
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: in like a decade, players loved him. He's young, he's

584
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: a nice guy, he's supportive, he's secure in himself. He

585
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: just doesn't he's got a Zach Wilson thing. He struggles

586
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: post snapped or read a defense. He just struggles with it.

587
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: He doesn't identify certain things. Zach and Justin I see

588
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: everything except that. But now Russell's banged up, and Justin's

589
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: guarantee as a great practice player.

590
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: And here's my thing.

591
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: You look at that Pittsburgh schedule. There are a lot

592
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Speaker 2: of two game losing streaks in it. I mean, if

593
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: they don't get that old line right, there's a lot

594
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: of two game losing streaks. And you tell me, having

595
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: worked for the Eagles, Russell has a two game losing streak,

596
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: and like right now, Justin's crushing it at practice. It's

597
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: a young roster players like Justin. Like, I think that's

598
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: a fascinating potential mess. Do you think they replaced Russ

599
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: or do you think he's been guaranteed a starting spot

600
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: this year?

601
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I think it's already getting weird. I mean he's already injured.

602
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: It's late July, pulled calf. He feels like a weathered

603
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: guy that's thirty four to thirty five years old, and

604
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: partly is the way he's looked the last couple of years.

605
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: I've said forever, if I was a Steeler fan, I

606
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: would want no part of Russell Wilson's starting because we

607
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: hire Arthur Smith, who we've seen resurrect Ryan Tannehill's coather.

608
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Now I would say Tanny Hill then a little more accurate.

609
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: This guy's a better athlete. Can you get anything out

610
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: of this player? The other thing in Pittsburgh, what's that

611
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: territory like right by Ohio State. A lot of those

612
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: fans watch Justin fields succeed. Remember the game he had

613
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: to get Clemson the playoff game. I think he threw

614
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: six touchdowns. There's stuff there. I would just want to

615
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: see that guy. When I think the Steelers going back

616
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: even before I was born to throughout my youth to

617
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: this team. Now, they just have guys. Guys like when

618
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: you think football players in the like TJ. Watt feels

619
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: like everyone likes Cam Hayward's the man of the year,

620
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: think of Fitzpatrick's like one of Saban's favorite players, and

621
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like those guys are going to be

622
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: into this at all. I mean at all. And the

623
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: other thing is, let's face it, Russell's more of a

624
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: dink and dunk guy now and they have explosive players

625
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: on that roster. My guess is I think we now,

626
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: who knows, We'll see if he can by the time

627
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: within a week and pads are on, if he's back

628
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: at the starter, it would not shock me if Justin

629
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Speaker 1: Fields started very early on. I wouldn't even put week

630
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: one out of the realm possibility. They're not invested into

631
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: this player. I mean, they're in for a million dollars,

632
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: so it means you can't get a player of his

633
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: status any cheaper.

634
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing. So John Snyder was number three,

635
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: it was Pete Russell and John Snyder. Snyder almost left

636
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: because Pete was taking over too much of.

637
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: The personal law. He almost leave the line.

638
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: Yes, he basically almost agreed to terms. Pete got fired,

639
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: Russell got traded, and now John Snyder overwhelmingly runs the

640
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Seattle organization. So I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.

641
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: I think he's a very good drafter. And as much

642
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: as I like and admired Pete Carroll, I thought he

643
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: underachieved with his talent the last couple of years. I

644
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: am a team that's completely under the radar is Seattle.

645
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: So Gino's not the future, but more than capable to

646
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: win ten games in the NFC. I think of all

647
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: the teams in the NFL, and I try not to

648
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: be a homer on this stuff, but I from there,

649
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: and I'm so. They hired McDonald, the young defensive coordinator

650
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 2: from Baltimore, and people are like he's Demico. Ryan's two

651
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: point zero super smart comes from a great organization. Schneider's

652
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: of funny guy. I won't go into too many personal

653
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: things I know, but he enjoys his life. He's tremendous

654
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: at what he does. I think Snyder's great at what

655
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: he does.

656
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: He's a top five GM in the NFL. Aiting one

657
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: in the league would tell you.

658
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, he's an excellent drafter, and I think he

659
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: got frustrated the last two years of Pete. I mean,

660
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: he hit on a couple of really nice offensive players

661
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: and they're just it's just not working. So I actually think,

662
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: and again I like Pete. I think this young coach

663
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: is gonna I think they have a chance now. They

664
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: don't have the right quarterback to be a little bit

665
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: like Houston where they're forgotten. So McVeigh and Stafford, I

666
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: mean that's just they get a lot of attention. The

667
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: Niners get attention, Kyler gets attention, the Lions do, the

668
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: Packers do. I have this weird feeling that Seattle is

669
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: going to shock people and they're not a super Bowl

670
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: team because I think there's limitations at quarterback. But you know,

671
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: much like Brady left, Belichick went to tam and you're like, shit,

672
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: Tom really overcame Bill a lot in the last few

673
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: years in New England. It's not great for Pete if

674
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: this new guy comes in and they crush. But I

675
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 2: went and looked at their two deeps this morning, John,

676
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: they got a ton of talent. They have a they

677
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: don't have a great edge rusher. Outside of that, they're

678
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: receiving corps. They're running backs, they're corners. Jesus, they're tackles.

679
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: They are talented.

680
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: Well, let's not forget they made the playoffs two years

681
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: ago and last year they were in the mix basically

682
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: the last two weeks, right, and they you could argue

683
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: their receiving corps. The top three guys are the best

684
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: in the league. You know one, you know the three,

685
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: the group of the three. I have a hard time.

686
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: I think there are two major question marks for me.

687
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: One of the division's good. So do you like Geno

688
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: Smith against the Rams and the forty nine ers and

689
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the Niners haven't lost to him in a long time now.

690
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: And anytime you get a new coach, I had a

691
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: buddy worked with him in the Ravens. They called him

692
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: boy genius. I mean, he's special. Demiko did get c. J.

693
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: Stroud and his division was kind of down last year.

694
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: Anthony Richidon gets hurt, Yes, that helps, that helps. And

695
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: the Jags were weird. I mean by the end of

696
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: the season. Even the Cardinals, if they're one of the

697
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: worst teams, like they're a problem. The other thing is

698
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: I always struggle with coaches. He saw this with Urban,

699
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: it was a different scenario, but a guy that has

700
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: zero NFL experience, Matt Ruhle had one year as an

701
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: assistant on line coach. They were head coaches, but Ryan Grubb,

702
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: who was divorced right hand guy, went with him to Alabama.

703
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: Then John Schneider and McDonald offered him the job. He's

704
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: an off He's never coached in the NFL. Now, he's

705
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: clearly been an awesome offensive coordinator for a long time.

706
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty big jump. And like you said, Listen,

707
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: Geno is an incredible story. Easy got to roof four.

708
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: But I just don't like him against the Niners and

709
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: I do not like him against the Rams. But they

710
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: they have the talent to win nine games for sure,

711
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: and so if they're better on defense because of their

712
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: offensive talent for yeah, I mean Kenneth Walker, that guy's

713
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: a baller.

714
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they should have It was my take

715
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: last year in the draft. They should have taken a

716
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: big swing and gone for a quarterback. I think I

717
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: what my concern is next year at Shador Sanders just

718
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: too much about himself, really, worries me. The kid at

719
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: Georgia is great, but he'll be gone. Seattle has a

720
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: chance to get into quicksand here where they're winning like

721
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: eight games a year. Drafting thirteenth and have to sell

722
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: the farm.

723
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: You become the Raiders. You have a lot of good players,

724
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: but you have no quarterback.

725
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: Yep. And I think although Gino's more than capable. You know,

726
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: I get into this discussion with gms and executives in

727
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 2: the league. The league's gotten smarter. First of all, fans

728
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: have gotten smarter because gambling is legal, so fans are

729
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: more analytical now. So football fans ten years ago and

730
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: football fans today when I talk to them, fans are

731
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: much smarter today. If the media guys like like you

732
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: that commit to it are much smarter today. The coaching's

733
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: much smarter. Belichick and Pete Carroll looked outdated. Tomlin offensively, shit,

734
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: how many years do you get to fix the offensive line? Mike,

735
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: It's like six Andy Reid did it in one year.

736
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: McVay did it in the year and a half, Like,

737
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: it can't take this long. So I just look at

738
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: Seattle and I think a defensive coach, but I think

739
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: the fascinating story with the Seahawks is John Schneider, this

740
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: guy who was sort of suppressed under Pete. He survived,

741
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: and you know Paul Allen died. Pete kind of filled

742
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: that void, used a lot of that power. Made some mistakes, which,

743
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: by the way, Pete, if you asked him, I've been told,

744
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: acknowledges those mistakes. But to your point earlier, Pete and

745
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson have fallen off the football map virtually overnight.

746
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Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult. Like if you're a computer

747
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: program or you're some guy at Google or Apple making

748
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, but you're just in an office. It's

749
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: like if you're weird, who cares does? I think it's very,

750
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: very difficult to be a weird quarterback. Obviously, different people

751
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: have different personalities, but like you can be a weird

752
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: guard or a weird safety, But as a quarterback, you're

753
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: so reliant on not just the face, to the fans,

754
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: to the owner, to the coach, to your teammates. It's

755
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: why most guys are just pretty smooth cats. They can

756
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: just you just go. That guy could be the CEO

757
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: of a bank, he could start his own company, he

758
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: could be a high school football coach. He could do

759
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. And with Russell, the most bizarre thing

760
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: is that everywhere he's been two places, but they just

761
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: have a lot of like I would say those Seattle teams,

762
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: they had aggressive guys, but they're pretty authentic, like sure,

763
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 1: authentic guy. They just had a lot of just Doug

764
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Baldwin high level guys, and none of them just they

765
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: like sniffed out like they He couldn't just be normal,

766
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: like couldn't give out his phone number, you got to

767
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: call my people. It's like, bro, what are we talking

768
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: about here? And at first I thought was he putting

769
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: on like a facade as he tried to be, But

770
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: I really think maybe he didn't start as his person.

771
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: He's morphed into this guy. But whatever it is is

772
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: too far gone. And I just don't think that Pittsburgh,

773
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, Pittsburgh, Ohio the last place at that

774
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: type stuff, Seattle, Progressive, West Coast, whatever, he's the best

775
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: most talented quarterback they'd ever had, whatever. But I just

776
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: think I think Justin Field's if this injury lasts at

777
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: all and Justin is just serviceable in practice, it would

778
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: not shock me at all, he's the starting quarterback Week one, would.

779
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: You no, not really what they have to lose? Well, again,

780
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: I guess it would surprise me because Russell doesn't have

781
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 2: a history. He usually overcomes his injuries, so that would

782
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: surprise me. But I do think people are just saying

783
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: it's Russell's team. I think it's I've been told that

784
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: he's really connected more with Tomlin than any teammate. And

785
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: but I also look at you know, I was really

786
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: close to my teachers in high school. It was my

787
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: football coach, my basketball coach, the women's pe coach. I

788
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: was closer. I had two or three really close friends.

789
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: And you know, Russell came from there's some Ivy League

790
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: connections here, and we all kind of beat up on Russell,

791
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: myself included. But you know, Russell just doesn't have a

792
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: lot of immaturity in his DNA. You know, he just doesn't.

793
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: He's like Kirk Cousins. He feels like he was twenty

794
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: seven going on forty three. And Russell, to me, is

795
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: like he's just not one of the guys. And I

796
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: feel bad for him. My son is a little bit

797
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: like this. My son he like skipped junior high, like

798
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: he was talking politics with me when he was thirteen.

799
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: Someday I'll write a book and put an incident that happened.

800
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: It is high school in Las Vegas. He was creating

801
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: security systems. Some of it's intelligence, some of it is

802
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: just he's a unique kid. So I have a soft spot,

803
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: you know that for people that just don't hang out

804
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: with their age group, their peers, And I feel sometimes

805
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: I feel bad for Russell.

806
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: To me, that's I struggle with that excuse because wouldn't

807
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: you say Tom Brady pretty early on and Peyton Manning,

808
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, their maturity levels and maybe it's just that

809
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: they could balance to like be one of the guys.

810
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, tom Brady was resonating with people in his

811
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: locker room they were twenty two when he was forty

812
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: four years old. Like, you either kind of have that

813
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: or you don't. Maybe that's what you're saying is he

814
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: just doesn't have that capability. You have to have that

815
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: capability though to think of play that position. Think it's

816
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: impossible to play that, would you agree? Impossible to play

817
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: that position if you can't resonate with anyone the offensive

818
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: side of the ball.

819
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: It's hard. I mean, remember this This is almost implausible.

820
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: He got benched. His college coach, he was a great player,

821
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: said we're gonna move on. He had to transfer to Wisconsin.

822
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, he was great. It's North Carolina State. It's

823
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: not Georgia. North Carolina State. It's like, we're moving on

824
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: to immobile. Mike Glennon and I messed up that one up.

825
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: But it's it's interesting. I mean, there's the there's the sign,

826
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: like the coaches think, I'm gonna.

827
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: Go think about it. Yeah, I was thinking about this today.

828
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Love, do you think it was easier

829
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: for him just to sit keep his mouth shut? Obviously

830
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: he had a lot to learn. But he's coming from

831
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: Utah State, you know, Josh Allen coming from Wyoming, Patrick

832
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Mahomes coming from Texas Tech. I think sometimes, like, let's

833
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: face it, Caleb is an incredible prospect, ton of hype,

834
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: but like, I don't think he could just sit for

835
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: a year. I think it would be very difficult. I

836
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: think it's very hard for some of these guys coming

837
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: from these big programs, the spotlights in this modern day

838
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: society where you get some of these guys from these

839
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: smaller programs who turn out to be awesome players. It's

840
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: easier for them to kind of mix in because of

841
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: their well, they're not used to flying first class essentially

842
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: when the football world.

843
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: I think it's much harder for young athletic quarterbacks. Josh

844
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: lamar Vic. I think when you're athletic and you know

845
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: you're a better athlete, and that matters so much in

846
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: pro sports, you're a better athlete than the starting quarterback.

847
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: They are not cognitively, line of scrimmage, pre snapped, you're

848
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: not in the same class. But I do think players

849
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: are impressed with athleticism, and so I think when you

850
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: when Russell walks into the league in that camp and

851
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: they had Matt Flynn in three weeks into his Seattle tenure, Pete's.

852
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: Like players like that guy.

853
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: So I think it's really it's easier to be Jared

854
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: Goff to sit back and go I'm gonna wait a while.

855
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: I think it.

856
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: Shows maturity that Jordan Love who you know, in the

857
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: the end the last couple of years he was in

858
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: Green Bay, he was much more athletic than Aaron Rodgers

859
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: and he didn't say a peep, which tells me he's

860
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: a pretty mature kid.

861
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: You could argue his story. Colin, do you remember last year.

862
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: I think around the bye week Gudikins went on record

863
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: it had not been going well yeah, and said like, yeah,

864
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: I'd be lying. These next eleven games are kind of

865
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: going to determine his future. And I was kind of

866
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: out just because I was like, Oh, this guy's been

867
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: around a while. And then he turned into Aaron was

868
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: on point zero. Yeah, and within I mean, I don't

869
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: even know what's July under twelve months, he made one

870
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five million dollars and they deserved a

871
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: lot of credit. Remember they worked out that kind of

872
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: weird short term contract. They're like, I don't even know

873
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: if he's worth a fifth year option yet. Yeah, And

874
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: it just shows you I think they were set on

875
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: the guy. But ultimately, football, more than any other sports,

876
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: truly about production that leads to wins. Listen, John, in

877
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: the NBA, you can produce and lose and still get paid.

878
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: In football, you could not produce and lose and stay

879
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: on that team.

880
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: I'll make an argument Jordan Love is a bust with

881
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the teams in the league, and that

882
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Trevor jo hiring, that Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert with

883
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: the Packers would now be considered top four quarterbacks. Is

884
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: that green Bay people fans tend to think it's just

885
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: a zero sum game. It's like, you got talent, you play,

886
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: You're great. Jordan Love goes to the Raiders. He's done.

887
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: He's a backup in the league. Is that even in

888
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: green Bay? He just needed support support, then he got

889
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: then he played and they gave him support. And green

890
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: Bay last year had I mean Aaron's last year in

891
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: green Bay, they're O line PFF had it at third best.

892
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: They're never bad offensively. But Jordan Love is a case

893
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: study on green Bay. This thing. He had a pot

894
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: bust in college. He sat for three years. He was

895
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: awful as first six weeks. The organization gave him Alwonkee

896
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: two year deal. He is a backup in the league

897
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: on virtually everybody except Green Bay, which is just a credit.

898
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Trevor Lawrence, people are doubting him now if

899
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: you put him with Andy Reid of the Packers. What

900
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: do you think Trevor Lawrence is today?

901
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Give me a break, give him Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay.

902
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: He's not as bad. I think it's more that it

903
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been the hype, Like he didn't look like Andrew Locker,

904
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, and he got two hundred million dollars, right.

905
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like a pretty aggressive investment based

906
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: on the way he's looked. But I talked to Doug

907
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: at the combine and Doug loved him, and he kind

908
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: of wrote off last year. He's like, I don't think

909
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: people realize how banged up he was. Obviously the turnovers,

910
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the fumbles. He's got to figure that out. I do

911
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: you ever bet over unders on the season?

912
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Oh? No, yes, so I love future bets. So two

913
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: years ago, Minnesota was at like eight and a half

914
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: and I just sold the farm. I said, that is

915
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: a terrible mistake by Vegas. They won thirteen. I think

916
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: last year, I said, do you realize the Rams were

917
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: at six and a half in Vegas? That'said Timeout. They're

918
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: just an older Chiefs. Great offensive coach, great quarterback, one

919
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: great defensive lineman outside of Cooper Cup. We don't know

920
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: what they're but pretty good protection and kind of young

921
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: on the defensive side. I said, Now, Mahomes is better

922
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: than Stafford, I said, but they kind of line up

923
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: with Kansas City a weaker version. They're winning eight nine games,

924
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: so the team this year, Listen, I don't think they're great.

925
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: Denver's over unders five and a half left tackle, excellent

926
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: O line was rated seventh by PFF. One of their

927
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: guards is top four in the league. Excellent offensive coach,

928
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 2: two solid NFL running backs, an elite corner in safety,

929
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: linebackers move well, one good defensive lineman. They drafted an

930
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 2: edge rusher. That's a weakness. Mimes could be an excellent two.

931
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: Courtland's sort of a Week one, but two dependable receivers,

932
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: service sole tight ends. If bow Nicks just runs the plays,

933
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: and I do think there's a Drew Breeze thing here.

934
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: They can't go seven and ten.

935
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that's that'd be a pretty easy overhammer.

936
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: There are some I can't they make the playoffs or

937
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: whatever with the rookie quarterbacks different five five and a

938
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: half feels insanely way I was looking at I was

939
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: looking on our friends at DraftKings. I usually don't do

940
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: over unders because for me to get the juices flowing,

941
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, the number's got to be like five or

942
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. And I don't want to just have

943
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: it sitting there. But I saw something that I'm like,

944
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: I'm all in the Chargers to make the playoffs are

945
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: plus one ten, so you are You're not even having

946
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: to pay a vict You're getting plus one odds on this.

947
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: This is the best quarterback he's ever had. They invested

948
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: in another offensive lineman. They're gonna be able to run

949
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: the ball. We know wherever he's gone. They've been good

950
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: on defense. Yeah, wherever they and let's face it, you

951
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: get to ten wins with that quarterback, you're probably the

952
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: seventh seed. I like them a lot more than the

953
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: Dolphins this year. I think that was my favorite. Just

954
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: long term, I think the Charges are in the playoffs.

955
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Harbaugh has a long history. The other

956
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: thing is I've watched a lot of just Charger content

957
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: Jim and I was around him for a couple of

958
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: years when I kind of got into radio when he

959
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: was with the Niners, and I think early on Stanfordson,

960
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: he had this huge chip on his shoulder. He was

961
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: just hard to be around. I think, Yeah, I don't

962
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: know if it's the championship. For the last couple of

963
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: years in Michigan, he feels a lot lighter. I know,

964
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Spanos says, he feels a lot easier

965
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: to be around, and there's a looseness like a I

966
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: don't know if it was insecurity, but he just tried

967
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: to beat this bull in the China shot NonStop and

968
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: it feels looser. But he clearly is better at his

969
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: craft now than he's ever been in his entire life.

970
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: And he's been good at it since he started coaching.

971
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: How are they not really good? I actually think if

972
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: you just go well, I can see the Chiefs kind

973
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: of just cruise control. I don't know. They just won

974
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: the last two Super Bowls. Is it out of the

975
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: wrong possibility they win the division?

976
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, it's San Francisco. That was

977
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: a great team, but they weren't. It was Crabtree and

978
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: a lot of guys at receiver. At Michigan, it was

979
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: Colin Wilson and just a bunch of guys. His great

980
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: teams have always been okay on the sideline. He never

981
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: needed it, and so when people say, well they're not

982
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: great at receiver, that has never been an issue. Stanford.

983
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: Did he ever have one great receiver at Stanford?

984
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he did Baldwin, who was like a

985
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: seventh round pick.

986
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Niners, I remember, I remember Crabtree and that

987
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: was about it. They missed in a couple receivers. Michigan

988
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: last year didn't throw the ball in the second half

989
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: of the road against Penn State, and so I kind

990
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: of look at it, and I think in the NFL also,

991
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: and I love this is the opposite of the d WNBA,

992
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: which couldn't figured two years in advance. We should probably

993
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: give Caitlin Clark an easy opening schedule. Let her go

994
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: like six and five. Did you the schedule that they

995
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 2: basically gave the Chargers, just if Herbert's upright, they're four

996
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: and one. They gave their weakest games early. First of all,

997
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 2: they want Harbor to win early. It's good for the league.

998
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: They want Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes to win early. But

999
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: that Charger schedule, and remember Herbert and his entire high school,

1000
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: college pro career has been hurt once last year. Sixty

1001
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: quarterbacks played in the league last year. You start looking

1002
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: at that schedule, it's reasonable to say in the league now,

1003
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: if you have a Josh Allen that doesn't get hurt,

1004
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: or a Herbert who historically doesn't get hurt. You're gonna

1005
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: face backups. By Thanksgiving on, you're gonna face backups. I

1006
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: think the Chargers are that Joe alt Pick was so

1007
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. I mean, by the way, Notre Dame in Northwestern,

1008
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: super smart, physical tackles Herbert, tough, physical kid. He went

1009
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: and got two running backs, I think one from the Ravens.

1010
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: You can see what he's doing, like he's just laying

1011
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 2: out the blueprint of what he's done his entire career.

1012
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: Have you watched the Giants hard knocks?

1013
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: Oh?

1014
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you watch the GM, seems like a

1015
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: nice guy day Ball, just your classic football guy. They're

1016
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: just kind of freelancing. They're like, what do you want

1017
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: this year? I think we need some O linemen. Let's

1018
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: say Quon maybe we'll bring him back. Maybe we want

1019
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: where Jim everyone that falls football goes. It's laughable that

1020
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: anyone thinks he's taking a wide receiver at five. He's

1021
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: taking the star tackle who clearly wasn't gonna get drafted

1022
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: the top four. He's gonna be sitting there for him.

1023
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. And then he took a

1024
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: slot receiver in the second round, right, I mean he's

1025
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: these are the type players he likes. Well, the Giants

1026
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: are just kind of freelancing. Yes, And in football philosophically,

1027
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: the way you it doesn't change year to year. You

1028
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: make tweaks, you hear McVeigh and Kyle and Andy, you

1029
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: tweak it, but their football philosophical beliefs have been set

1030
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: in stone. I mean, Jim Harbaugh's probably thought about this

1031
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: since he was talking about coaching with his dad when

1032
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: he was in college playing for Michigan in both ye

1033
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: That's the way Andy's thought about football since he was

1034
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: playing at BYU. It hasn't changed that much. And you

1035
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: watch the Giants and you go when I was with

1036
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and I listen, I was a West Coast

1037
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: spent my whole life on the West Coast. I was

1038
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: more of an NFC West guy. You go to the

1039
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: NFC East, I'll never forget being on the sideline. Those

1040
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: Giants team came out huge on the defense. Defensive line

1041
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: was massive, I mean every guy was six five plus

1042
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: and the offensive line were all big, tough guys. And

1043
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: it was like Eli and a bunch of tough guys

1044
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: and old Tom Coughlin and now you watch him. You

1045
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: go the Chargers, who have a clear identity, and Hardball's

1046
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: only gonna keep doubling down the next couple of years,

1047
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: and it's gonna look exactly like a Jim Harball team.

1048
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: With the Giants, you just have no clue. Let's just

1049
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: take a sweet wide receiver who is really talented, but

1050
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: that makes no sense on your team right now with

1051
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: the average arm quarterback right and you just see And

1052
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: I remember telling you this when I went to the

1053
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: combine because sometimes when you just fall in the league

1054
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: on TV, but when you're around the teams and you

1055
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: see it, you're like, seventy percent of this league has

1056
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: no shot, I mean none. McVeigh and Kyle and Andy

1057
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: and the Ravens. The advantage they have, it just grows

1058
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: by the off season. You know it Really the Giants,

1059
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when you were living

1060
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: out there and I was in Philly, they were a

1061
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: well run Jerry Reeves, Tom Coughlin. They had a true identity,

1062
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: like there was a reason they.

1063
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: Had an identity, a true identity.

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00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: And now they got none. And this notion that like

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: John Mara only wanted to keep him as a popular player, No,

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00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: he was their best player. And where did he go?

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00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: Did he go to some shitty team? No, he went

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00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: to the best run team in your division. Like, so

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00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: I understand exactly, are we sure? And then you go, well,

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00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: how much did he cost? Well? How he paid him?

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00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: Twenty six million dollars guaranteed. It's not like he costs

1072
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: fifty million. These running backs now it's like anything in society.

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00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: They used to cost a lot and now they're cheap.

1074
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: Now they're a bar. I get Saquon Barkley for twenty

1075
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: six million dollars if I don't love him at forty

1076
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: five million dollars guaranteed, but I get him well under thirty.

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00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: Easy deal for I'm howie.

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: You know how that's going to play out?

1079
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: So often? The fire everyone's fire.

1080
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean he's going to have two things.

1081
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: Because they have excellent receivers Devonte Smith and A. J. Brown.

1082
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: You can't put your safety in the box against the Eagles,

1083
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: and a good tight end, so against the Giants, battle line, safety,

1084
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: jam the box one's gonna have. He'll there's a chance

1085
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: he could lead the NFL in rushing. And then they're

1086
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: gonna play the Giants and they're gonna cook up special plays.

1087
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: You just see how this is ending with the Giants,

1088
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: and it's so funny. I said, for years, I thought

1089
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: the New York Giants were the accounting firm of the

1090
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 2: of the NFL. Boring but strategic and efficient. You trust

1091
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: them with your money. I don't think they're well run.

1092
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: Watching Hard Knocks, they just feel like they're making stuff up.

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00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: I like Day Bowl, but there is a component to

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00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 2: that show that I'm like, if I'm a Giants fan,

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel great well.

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Speaker 1: The one thing in my experience about Howie and still

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00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: know him to this day, is like he has the answers,

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: Like his capital is his information, Like he has to

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00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: know everything, because you can't make decisions with investing in

1100
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: players and making trades if you don't have all the information.

1101
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: And you saw during the offseasons like, yeah, we think

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00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to Chicago. No, he's gonna go to

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00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: the Philly. I mean, it doesn't get any especially when

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00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: the owner does not want to lose him because he's

1105
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: their best player, most marketable player, and he's just a

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: high level good guy. And then he goes to the

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: team that's won your division. Two out of three years,

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00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl two years ago, even with

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00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: the disastrous ending to the season, was still in the

1110
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: playoffs where you die to be. It's really crazy that

1111
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: Damar's clearly they're a high level family. It shows you

1112
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: when you hire the wrong people in football college or

1113
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: the pros, GM or head coach, you got no shot

1114
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: and it just derails you. And they've since they fired

1115
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, which it was time, they have just consistently

1116
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: hired the wrong people coaches, gettlemen, and it's it's made

1117
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: them just feel like not that relevant in the NFL,

1118
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy.

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00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out podcast, Go

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Speaker 2: Lo Golf. We are back mostly mostly, we may miss

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Speaker 2: one more.

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Speaker 1: I got one a lot of Olympics to watch Colin.

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Speaker 1: I was watching Simone Biles. She was battling through a

1124
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: calf injury.

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Speaker 2: By the way, how long do we have to keep

1126
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: pretending that Embiid's a winning player. Jesus, give me a frickin' break. Jokic,

1127
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: when he was on the floor, Serbia played the USA

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: eighty one eighty one. When he was off the floor,

1129
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: the USA outscored Serbia. Twenty eight to three. And I

1130
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: mean in my lifetime, there have been three basketball players, Magic,

1131
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: Lebron and Jokic that make every teammate better. Michael Jordan

1132
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: didn't make every teammate better. I mean there were times

1133
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: that he's Durant doesn't. There's a lot of great players.

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00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: They don't make everybody better. Jokic is take Jokic off

1135
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: that team? What are they Embiid was so bad in

1136
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: stretches in that game that and it's long, so he

1137
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: now can't elevate his team to a win in the

1138
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: second round of the Eastern Conference. He's a bad fit

1139
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: on the Olympians. He can't really be a complimentary player.

1140
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: He clogs up the offense. I never want to hear.

1141
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: Remember they gave m Be the MVP over Jokic. It

1142
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 2: was sort of an anti Jokic vote. I'm watching him

1143
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: today and I'm like, only Magic and Lebron do what

1144
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: Jokic does.

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had three takeaways. One. I think four of

1146
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: the best top fifteen players in the history of the

1147
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: sport were on the court. Obviously, Lebron's like the second

1148
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: best player. Curry and Duran are top fifteen players. Is

1149
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Jokic that much different than those two guys and Steph Curry.

1150
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most remarkable athletes I've

1151
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: ever seen in any sport. I mean he was. I

1152
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: think he's underrated. I mean, I think he's underrated. Second,

1153
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm out on the sixers, like you got no shot

1154
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: at Darryl Morien. Listen, smart guy said we're coming after

1155
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 1: the Celtics. You got no shot. And three. Anthony Davis

1156
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: takes a lot of shit, and rightfully so. He's been

1157
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: banged up and it feels sometimes like he's always hurt.

1158
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: He's in a different universe as Embiid. I mean, you

1159
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: look at him in the playoffs, how good he's been

1160
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Like this conversation with Embiid,

1161
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Let's just what are we even talking about. He's closer

1162
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: to the Paul George's and the Gas scenes in the

1163
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: twenties than he is the big dogs like him and Jokic.

1164
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: It's like Mahomes and Tua or something. I mean, when

1165
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: you really break it down, nobody cares about scoring seventy

1166
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: points against the Kings in January. It's like James Harden.

1167
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: Nobody cares.

1168
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Anthony Davis. If you turn the sound down

1169
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: and just and you just watched what you're saying. Anthony

1170
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: Davis is a monster like he is, just he doesn't

1171
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: look like here's a fourth take. When you put Jason

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: Tatum around Alpha's, he is invisible. So we always said

1173
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: this for years, Jalen Brown was the Alpha. Tatum was

1174
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: more talented. But this year in the playoffs, Brown watch

1175
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: the ball. When you put Tatum around other Alpha as

1176
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: an Olympic team, he didn't get.

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Speaker 1: On the court.

1178
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: I mean, so Steve Kerr didn't put him on the

1179
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: court like. Tatum is so passive and so collaborative. And

1180
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: I remember somebody said this years ago, as most of

1181
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: the great athletes, like the Michael Jordan's, you'd never want

1182
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: him as your boss. You'd never want to work with him.

1183
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: You'd just be miserable. You'd want to work with Tatum.

1184
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to work with Kobe Bryant or Michael

1185
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: or Byrd they're too feisty, Brady or a Manning, You're

1186
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: just really super intense. Tatum's a really talented player and

1187
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: a really nice guy. But there were games all through

1188
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: the playoffs and I've noticed this watching the five and

1189
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: zero exhibition run. He didn't play against Serbia. I don't

1190
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: know when he's on the floor. I can't tell when

1191
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum's on the floor. He's just not aggressive. And

1192
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: when you put a guy that's kind of passive around

1193
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: other super aggressive guys, it can be in a car

1194
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: at a kegger on a basketball floor, dude shrinks, shrinks.

1195
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy that the other two dudes on the

1196
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: Celtics are playing like major roles and any three hundred

1197
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: million dollar players on the bench, and no one even

1198
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: thinks it's that weird. It's pretty it's pretty wild to

1199
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Speaker 1: watch because obviously, I mean it's it's Lebron Steph and

1200
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's team, and even Anthony Edwards. I mean, the

1201
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: moment he gets on the court, he's just he's he

1202
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 1: sucks all the oxygen up. It's it was pretty fun

1203
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: to watch this morning because for a minute you're like,

1204
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: is Jokic's really gonna play one on five with four

1205
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: other guys? It wouldn't even make the JV team of

1206
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: this team USA. And then obviously they just ran out

1207
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: of gas. But he I thought, if you watch that

1208
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: and you love basketball. You're like, this is one of

1209
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: the greatest players I've ever seen in my life.

1210
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the NBA is Owa's style and aesthetics have always

1211
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: mattered in the league. I mean, Westbrook can't shoot, has

1212
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: bad hands, but he can be you know, optics are god.

1213
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: He is so hyper athletic.

1214
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: I've had people tell me I hate watching Jokic, and

1215
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's kind of a much bigger Larry Bird.

1216
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: Like he just shoots pat. I mean, it's just like,

1217
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: take Larry Bird at thirty eight pounds and four inches,

1218
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: that's what he is.

1219
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: My takeaway, would you be shocked if that team medals

1220
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: like beside USA, he can go toe to toe with

1221
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: any other team.

1222
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: I think they will.

1223
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: They should get like the bronze.

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01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. All Right, John good as OLA's buddy.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk soon, see you, Colin.

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Speaker 3: All Right, the volume.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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