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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Everybody? It's your girl, Treka Fuster Brasby.

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Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? It's your girl, Cheryl Swoop And this

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Speaker 2: is levels to This.

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Speaker 3: This is the show where we talk about all the

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Speaker 3: things that women go through. And honey, we have such

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Speaker 3: a great and fun show lined up today. We've got

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Speaker 3: a special guest joining us who's gonna be talking about

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Speaker 3: a really great tournament that's coming up.

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Speaker 2: But first, Cheryl, I haven't seen you in like a week.

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Speaker 2: Oh dang, I mean I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Seen you, seen you, but I've seen you because you're

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Speaker 3: doing au so like I see you.

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Speaker 2: But you just you too busy for me right now?

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Speaker 2: Stop that. Don't do that. You just you hang out

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Speaker 2: on You know what's crazy is.

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Speaker 1: I was just talking to someone the other day and

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Speaker 1: I said, so, usually around holidays, right like Thanksgiving through

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Speaker 1: the New Year, I intentionally don't really book a lot

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Speaker 1: of like work stuff because I'm I love the holidays,

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Speaker 1: want to be home, yep. And then you know, February

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Speaker 1: things start ramping back up, as you mentioned with AU.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, I go through this withdrawal where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I need to see my people, uh huh. And it's

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Speaker 1: different seeing you on camera versus in person, even though

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Speaker 1: I be outside like that, but still I need to

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Speaker 1: be able to put my hands on.

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Speaker 2: You and what I'm saying in person. Years, yes, I

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Speaker 2: miss you, boo. I know.

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Speaker 3: It's the first year in four years that I am

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Speaker 3: actually not physically covering AU this year, So it feels

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Speaker 3: like to day I usually see my boat around this

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Speaker 3: time and I ain't. So yeah, yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 3: but how is how is Nashville?

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Speaker 2: How are So?

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Speaker 1: This is my second year in Nashville, right, And I

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Speaker 1: got to tell you. Last year it was I would

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Speaker 1: do the games and then girl, you know, on bare side,

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Speaker 1: I was like in my room because I need the

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Speaker 1: rest and all the things. And this year I purposely

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, on my off day, which is a

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Speaker 1: Thursday because games are Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, I was like,

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Speaker 1: let me go see the city do some things.

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Speaker 2: I went and ate of a couple of restaurants. Nashville

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Speaker 2: is all right with me. Nashville is all right with me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And if you get a chance to which you

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Speaker 3: probably have already done. But the African American Music Museum

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Speaker 3: is phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I have not done that. I'm doing that.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing that next phenomena, especially if you I mean

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Speaker 3: they literally take it back from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I need the way through, like right now.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's interactive time, girl, I'm singing, singing the

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Speaker 3: whole time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's so good.

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Speaker 3: Yes, go to the Africa And it's not far from

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Speaker 3: it's not far from the municipal where they play.

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Speaker 2: It's like not even ten minutes. So go go go there.

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Speaker 3: That is That is the one thing in Nashville that

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Speaker 3: I did not know existed.

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Speaker 2: Until I went. And now I'm like, everybody's got to go.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that.

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Speaker 3: It's so good. It's so good. I know and I

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Speaker 3: know in Nashville it's so good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So other than that, the games have been really good.

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Speaker 2: Competition is good. So let's see Odyssey.

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Speaker 1: Sims is currently at the top of the leader board,

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Speaker 1: followed by Rebecca Gardner. It's like it's like one hundred

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Speaker 3: Surprise surprise to no one who follows Rebecca Gardner.

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Speaker 2: Right, but if we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about surprises, and then you've got Natasha mc and

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Speaker 1: Mercedes Russell, that's the top four on the leaderboard right now?

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 3: In that wild I was shocked, but not shocked that

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Speaker 2: And there's the thing, sorry, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the individual stat points matter, but what matters.

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Speaker 2: The most are these quarter wins.

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Speaker 1: Quarter win wins, you get sixty points for winning every

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Speaker 1: quarter and one hundred and eighty points for winning the games.

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Speaker 1: That's why Anissa Morro Also, yeah, she's a rebounding machine,

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Speaker 1: and they're winning a lot of a lot of games.

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Speaker 3: I think my biggest surprise not because I didn't think

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Speaker 3: talented and she's a WNBA champion, But I just love

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Speaker 3: the fact that she's so out of her shell now.

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Speaker 3: And that's Jalen Sharon, Like she.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, coach Chalen, Yeah she is. She's just so

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Speaker 3: I feel like she was a little reserved last year

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Speaker 3: and this year she's just like I'm a vet this year.

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Speaker 2: I'm here. I know, I know what this thing is

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Speaker 2: all about. I know what I know how to do this.

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Speaker 2: And listen.

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Speaker 1: The other player I'm gonna talk to tell you about

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Speaker 1: before we move on is.

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Speaker 2: Caitlyn Chin. Kaitlyn Chin is not playing with y'all. Te

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna watch you like I ain't know. Kitlyn

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Speaker 2: Chin had that kind of a game. She not playing.

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Speaker 2: Look you be.

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Speaker 3: Cause youse because Ukhn, because because.

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Speaker 2: Yukon you can't. You can't be hading them and stashing them.

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Speaker 1: You don't even nothing the stuff that I have seen

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn chando and this is against some pretty good defenders.

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Speaker 2: She's a baller. Yeah, yes she is.

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Speaker 1: I have been pleasantly pleased and surprised by Katelyn Chance before.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yep, agreed, one hundred percent agreed, one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent agreed on Caitlyn. Caitlyn has literally shown why you

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Speaker 3: can you can just pick them from Yukon and just

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Speaker 2: They're just good. It's crazy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Well, if y'all have not been keeping up with Athletes Unlimited,

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Speaker 3: y'all really need to because it has been great from

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Speaker 3: start to finish so far.

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Speaker 2: I have enjoyed watching you guys.

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Speaker 3: I have enjoyed the various broadcast shout out to Sydney

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Speaker 3: Coast and she's hilarious, yes said, it is hilarious.

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Speaker 2: And then too.

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Speaker 3: Just to make sure that show equal love here, Unrivaled

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Speaker 3: is doing another one on doing another live, live tour

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Speaker 3: where they will be in Brooklyn on March seconds. So

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Speaker 3: shout out to people showing up so heavily for Philly

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Speaker 3: women's basketball is thriving right now. We will get into

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Speaker 3: the CBA in a different conversation because that ship is

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Speaker 2: I can't even I can't even talk about that ship.

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Speaker 3: Right We're gonna move on to a different conversation with

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Speaker 3: that one. But because it's not we can't even do

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Speaker 1: I do want to give a shout out to Chelsea

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Speaker 1: Gray for getting her bag and that shot money money.

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Speaker 2: The real truth, point God, the point God out here. Yes,

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Speaker 2: keep telling y'all stop playing on my name.

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Speaker 3: Because every time y'all tell me that I can't do something,

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Speaker 3: show up and remind y'all why she.

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Speaker 2: Is she is and and did and did so. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's that. But but we.

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Speaker 3: Have a very special guest joining us this episode. We

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Speaker 3: Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association, which is the CI Double A Conference,

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Speaker 2: She is amazing, absolutely love her.

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Speaker 3: For those who are unfamiliar with the CI Double A,

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Speaker 3: it's a Division two HBCU conference founded in nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 3: It's over one hundred years old. It's the oldest HBCU

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Speaker 3: bias going on right now.

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody know the SWACK because they know Jackson

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Speaker 3: Everybody know the MIAC because they know North Carolina Central

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Speaker 2: And all of that.

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Speaker 3: Y'all better show some love and put some respect on

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Speaker 3: the CI double A because we did it first. That's

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Speaker 3: without that's all I'm saying. And the CIUBLEA tournament is

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Speaker 3: Very special place in my heart because she not only

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Speaker 3: all things, but she also represents the place and the

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Speaker 2: I call her Jackie Mac.

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Speaker 3: She's the commission It is CI double A Commissioner Jacqueline McWilliams.

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Speaker 2: Jackie Mack on the line, Hey, COMI.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, see you both. This is it's great,

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Speaker 4: this is awesome. This is a heartlifting right now.

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Speaker 2: Not with the.

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Speaker 1: Commission t shirt on look at that. I'm not a

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Speaker 2: It empowers me to remember who I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Age, you cannot forget who you can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good to have you on our show today.

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Speaker 1: So thankful and grateful for you and te you you

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Speaker 4: I just begged her too, and I was just too

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Speaker 2: Got teased a lot about my hair.

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Speaker 4: My healthiest hair was when I was pregnant with my

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Speaker 4: And I just knew that's the place. I've been reached

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Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing, nothing at all like it. I'm representing a

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Speaker 4: that's outside of the venue. And of course I always

439
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 4: love Championship Day, that's my favorite. I cry every time

440
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: with the national, the black national anthem, but because I

441
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 4: know how hard it took to get to that day,

442
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 4: and so I just relish in the moment, like thank

443
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 4: you God for creating this experience, and these champions that

444
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 4: are getting these teams that have made it here, they

445
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 4: grind to get there. But I love Education Day. You know,

446
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 4: we got three thousand, like the walls are bursting. We

447
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: have to move every year Baltimore City kids and a

448
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: lot of them have not a lot, but there's several

449
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 4: hundred of young people who've got accepted on spot to

450
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 4: come to our schools scholarships right then and there, Fees

451
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 4: waved right then and there, Like I love that we

452
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: give that kind of access to the community. Samaritan's Feet

453
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: will give out three to five hundred pairs of shoes

454
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: this week.

455
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: We'll go to a.

456
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: Couple of middle schools, love on them, prey on them

457
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 4: and leave some shoes. And now we're doing the locker

458
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: room a locker thing with them where we'll put shoes

459
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 4: in a locker and teachers and the principal can go

460
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: there if they see a kid needs a pair of shoes,

461
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: they can go and get those shoes for those kids.

462
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: Love that those types of things like for me, the

463
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 4: community impact outside of the student athletes that come and

464
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: they have a three day summit, like we give them

465
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 4: like leadership development experience.

466
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: They get to be with CEOs, they get to be.

467
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 4: They got to do some community impact, you know, and

468
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 4: then they learn financial literacy. Like we have all these

469
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: things that are happening at the tournament and then we

470
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 4: watch basketball. Right, So it's it's a lot, but every

471
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 4: event has a unique twist.

472
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: My goal is that legacy is always in the midst

473
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: of it.

474
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: Leadership has to be on the height of it, and

475
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 4: community has to be a footprint that we leave something

476
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: always behind. We just don't go there and take from

477
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 4: the city, but we leave something in the city that

478
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: they'll remember us forever.

479
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's so good. So you mentioned me coming. I

480
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: guess a couple of years ago. And you know the

481
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: crazy thing is is I think so many times when

482
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: athletes or celebrities we go and we speak or we're

483
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: on panels. Of course we're there because we want to

484
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: drop some nuggets.

485
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: And leave them with something.

486
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, and he said it,

487
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: it was more than a basketball tournament for me, right,

488
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: just all the different events that were going on and

489
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: getting to see it and be apart and touch people,

490
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: and you made a huge impact on me, Like I

491
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: have to tell you that. And knowing what all the

492
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: different events and everything that goes on at the CIAA

493
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: tournament and all the different events, right, what do you

494
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: hope the student athletes, the coaches, the fans take away

495
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: from Baltimore when it's all said and done.

496
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: I hope they take away that.

497
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: Ci DOUBLEA in this event for the experience for the

498
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: week is really for everyone. It didn't matter if you

499
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 4: go to a CIUBLEA school or not. Like we really

500
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: want to love on people like last year, and even

501
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: everyone says last year, something was different about last year

502
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 4: And it may have been how we started the year

503
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 4: with new administration and there were people in D and

504
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: B area that lost their jobs and people had to

505
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: make a decision whether they could come or not. But

506
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: when they got there, there was just something that was

507
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 4: just lovely about us being together. It was like leave

508
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 4: your worries behind. And I would say, you know, when

509
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 4: people come, when they leave, I want them to feel

510
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: like they had their investment. Their return of investment was

511
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: more than they could everead. Imagine It's like going to

512
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: Disney me. Right, I'm pissed off about how much I pay,

513
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: but when I go, I'm like, oh my god, they

514
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: knew my name at the gate, like you know of

515
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. Right, But then when

516
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: I see the joy and smiles and I see the hugs,

517
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: what always not bothers me?

518
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: What hurts me most? Until you know this and the ciba.

519
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 4: We are losing so many of our legends and I

520
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: get a chance to spend a lot of time with

521
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: all of them, and when they pass away, I get

522
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: the calls.

523
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: So that's why my heart is. I'm always trying.

524
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 4: To balance the heart and how I feel about you personally,

525
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 4: and then when I have to as a role as

526
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: a commissioner and trying to celebrate you. But when we

527
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 4: get there, I think there's so much love Cheryl and

528
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: how we love on each other because nobody's guaranteed to

529
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: come back the next year, and we all recognize that,

530
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: and so it's nobody's got attitudes there.

531
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: We hustling now to win games. But if you lose,

532
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: you lose.

533
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: And you give a high five, you love and you

534
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: cheer for the next team, right, and it's it's just

535
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: it's different. We don't have any problems like it's it's not.

536
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: We're a black beautiful event. That's I mean, I think

537
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: we're one of the best at doing it and creating

538
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: community and culture where you can celebrate and not be

539
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: hesitant about singing the black anthem or raising your fists

540
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: our student athletes, or wearing your colors or speaking your

541
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 4: mind on platforms like that's not If you don't want that,

542
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: then this is not the place for you, because we're

543
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: an open door of love, kindness and directness.

544
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Because we'll tell you about yourself in.

545
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: A minute, yes, yes, yes, and when you come, and

546
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: when you come you, when you come, you gotta come

547
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: correct because see mister C I double A set the

548
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: tone many years ago with how you got to look

549
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: when you show up to the C I Double A

550
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: t expectation. There's an expectation, so you'll fit. Got to

551
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: be fitting, like that's just that's just period. So this

552
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: conference is a bitter sweet year for me specifically, and

553
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: I kind of want to pivot a little bit into

554
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: when it has to get a little tough being the

555
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: commissioner because as much pride as I have in the

556
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: CI double A and being a ciable A grad, unfortunately

557
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: my school in specific is going through some tumultuous times

558
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: where currently we are not in participating in sports, still

559
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: trying to make sure that we can maintain our accreditation,

560
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: and there's a lot going on.

561
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: With Saint Augustine's right now.

562
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: When you think about just any team, not necessarily mine,

563
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: but just any school in your conference that faces financial hardships,

564
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: that has to deal with the internal issues that some

565
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: people don't necessarily have to deal with publicly, how do you,

566
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: as commissioner balance being a resource for those institutions but

567
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: also understanding that, hey, you know, business is business. This

568
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: is kind of how we got to operate, and unfortunately

569
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: that means you can't be with us throughout this, you know,

570
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: AB and C.

571
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: How do you balance that? Oh, it's a hard one.

572
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: I mean, we went all the way to the edge

573
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: before you could just jump off, like that's that's how

574
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: that's how long and how hard that was because Saint

575
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: Ogg brings a lot of historical impact, you know, from

576
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: track and field to their other sports. Like you just

577
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: you don't want to lose a school ever, right, and

578
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: you don't want the story to be told like there

579
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: nowther black college goes because that's not the case.

580
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: We're not losing black colleges.

581
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: Every day one leaves and then everybody thinks it's all

582
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: of us, and it's not.

583
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: Not.

584
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: All of our schools are in financial problems and issues.

585
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: When we lost Saint Paul, it was the same feeling

586
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: we lost Saint Paul right before I came right Saint

587
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: Paul was one of those schools where you know, they

588
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 4: were part of our community too, and we still are

589
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 4: trying to keep them alive and involved and engaged with

590
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: their brand as members of the Then we'll do that

591
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: with say and oh, but it is a balance. I

592
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: work for twelve presidents at the time, thirteen having these

593
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: tough conversations and what we talk about, you know, candidly,

594
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: it could be any one of our schools. So how

595
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: do we show empathy, How do we show up for

596
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 4: that president and that institution? How far can we go?

597
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: But at the same time, we have bylaws, and we

598
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: have a bottom line, and we have business. And when

599
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: it starts impacting the bottom line and the business, then

600
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: when is the right time. It never feels like the

601
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: right time right, but a decision has to be made

602
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: because one school can impact the other twelve very quickly,

603
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: right in scheduling, how they show up or if they

604
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: do show up, or if you can go to their

605
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: school and they have staff, like, all of those things

606
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: have to be accounted for. And it's my job to

607
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: make sure that I get as much information that I can,

608
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: that I'm connected with the president, that our team is

609
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 4: connected with their team and staff, and that we can

610
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: try to give them some things to work through, work

611
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: on and if they can't, just be honest with me,

612
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: because I'm a fighter all I can with the presidents.

613
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: But they also have to know that the presidents are

614
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: always always fighting for you too, because they realized that

615
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: it could be them at any point, and we want

616
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: to set good precedent on how we manage those expectations.

617
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Makes sense, It makes a lot of sense.

618
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Commission, I want to ask you a question about

619
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: like student athletes. I don't know if you remember this question,

620
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: but when I was there on the Women's Empowerment panel,

621
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: someone asked me the question about why didn't I attend

622
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: an HBCU.

623
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: And my response, honestly was I.

624
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Didn't you know, I didn't and I didn't know about HBCUs,

625
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: right like my mom didn't talk to me about it.

626
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't a conversation we had. But the other side

627
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: of that was I also didn't know because HBCUs didn't

628
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: recur me.

629
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: And I think there's this misconception.

630
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: About HBCUs when they're like, well, we can't go get

631
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it's changing, but we can't go get the

632
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: best of the best to come to an HBCU. And

633
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: hindsight for me is I wish they would have recruited me,

634
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: because for me, it's more than just about basketball and competing,

635
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: like it's about the culture. There's so much stuff I

636
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: feel like I could have learned if I would have

637
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: attended an HBCU. What advice would you give to student

638
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: athletes as well as coaches right who may be a

639
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: little hesitant about do I go after the best of

640
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: the best. And then for that athlete, why should I

641
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: attend an HBCU versus a PWI.

642
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great So I'm from Colorado Springs, Colorado.

643
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: Ain't no HBCUs within one hundred five hundred miles, right,

644
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: But my family's from Mississippi. They're in the swack country Jackson,

645
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: but my parents didn't want me to go there. Here's

646
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 4: a couple of things I do think sometimes our schools

647
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: are challenged with thinking they could get the best of

648
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: the best, Like can I really get Cheryl's swoops to

649
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: come here? And I might have to give her a

650
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: scholarship that is, you know, packaged in division two. Right

651
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: in division one, I don't have the same scholarships at

652
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 4: University of Texas or Texas Tech or Winster Salem State.

653
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: I'm not with in Wake Forest or North Carolina. So

654
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: I'm competing against that. Sometimes we're waiting just to see

655
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: if you go or not go, and if maybe there's

656
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 4: a trickle down effect.

657
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: Right.

658
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: But you also have coaches in this youth programming that

659
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: drives me crazy that they don't send our kids. They

660
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: won't send you to our schools. They tell you not

661
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: to come to our school. Yeah, I'm dealing with that

662
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: with some of my friends and their kids. They don't

663
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: even like look at HBC's as an option or an opportunity.

664
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: They want you to go to the relationships of the

665
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: schools that they have and that's where they're pushing you

666
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: and telling the story. So it makes it challenging for

667
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 4: coaches at HBC used to even get to you because

668
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: the coaches in high school are in the urograms, have

669
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: already developed relationships and have told you that you don't

670
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 4: want to go to Saint Ogg, you don't want to

671
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: go to Hampton, right, you don't want to get stuck

672
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: there kind of. So you've got that going on on

673
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 4: top of coaches always having the budgets.

674
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: I do think it's getting better.

675
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: I think the parody in our conference and competition is

676
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: getting back to where it used to be Tarika, and

677
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 4: we've never had bad competition. We are getting better athletes

678
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: and this transfer portal it's helping us, but it's killing

679
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 4: us because in some ways kids see that they can

680
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: come to our schools and have a better experience and

681
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: they don't have to wait out, or some are leaving

682
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: because they think they can have a better experience because

683
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 4: they can make more money. Yeah, so we're dealing with that.

684
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 4: But for those who want to go in HBC, whether

685
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: you're recruited or not. I was not recruited. My principal

686
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 4: pulled me out of office. We called coach Sweat, looked

687
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 4: up his number, and we didn't even have the internet right.

688
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 4: I went to the library. It went to the encyclopedia

689
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: to figure out where Hampton was. We talked about Hampton, Morgan, Spellman,

690
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: and Howard. Those were the four schools. I didn't want

691
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: to go to all women's school. They didn't think I

692
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: can make it in the city, which I am a

693
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: city girl. Morgan was going through some accreditation, and Hampton

694
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: was by the water. I lived in California, so living

695
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: by the water seemed like the home by the sea

696
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 4: would be best. When he said he had an open

697
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: spot or he said I could try out for the team,

698
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: I begged my parents.

699
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: It was a.

700
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: Grind for them to pay for my first year of college,

701
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: but I said, if you just let me go, I'll

702
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: earned my scholarship. And I did and I went to Hampton.

703
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 4: I earned my scholarship. We won that national championship team.

704
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 4: I worked my tail off to be on that team

705
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: and played my whole four years.

706
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: I have a niece right now, my goddaughter. Same thing.

707
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 4: You want to go to Bowie State or whatever, let's go.

708
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 4: They may not give you a full ride, but you

709
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: go and earn if that's where you want to go.

710
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: Right what, I've loved to have a full ride going

711
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: to Hampton because it's expensive as all get up, absolutely,

712
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: but that's where I wanted to go, and that's where

713
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: I was going to play ball, and nobody else could

714
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 4: tell me. It's kind of that dream job of the

715
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 4: ciaa commissioner. Nobody's gonna I'm going to be the next commissioner.

716
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happen.

717
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: And that's a good point that you're making too Shuro

718
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: when you talk about the recruitment factor too, because sometimes

719
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: kids get told you're not going to get seen and

720
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: you're not going to get that exposure. You would go

721
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 3: into a d one And then I will use an

722
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: example of somebody like a Diamond Johnson who played at

723
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: Maryland went to Norfolk State. And talent is talent, like

724
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: people going to see you because you're good. They matter

725
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: where you decide that you want to go. People are

726
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: going to see you and know your name and hear

727
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: you when you're good. And so now she's playing I

728
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: think in China. But either way you can. You can

729
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: definitely get the opportunity, but people have to introduce it

730
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: to you, and I do hope we get to a

731
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: place where more people are introducing HBCU opportunities, no matter

732
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: the conference was specifically the c I Double A, but

733
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: no matter the conference, you know, like, come on, you

734
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean, we will, we'll take you. But Cheryl,

735
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: you know that you wasn't supposed to go to an HBCU.

736
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: God had already created your path to go exactly where

737
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: you were, so that you could have the platform that

738
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: you have. You can get that shoe that none of

739
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: nobody else could get. I mean, the impact that you've

740
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: made by not this is the thing. Not everybody's going

741
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: to go to an HBCU. Not everybody's going to work

742
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: at an hbc or in a black company. We need

743
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: to be in all spaces and give exposure. Right and

744
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: now that you know the value, you still get to

745
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: help us tell the story. And you are say a

746
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: double A for life because once you come always with us.

747
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: So well, you know what I'm there with you because

748
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: I also believe that, like our path is.

749
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: Ordained and our journey is our journey.

750
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you the one thing that I I

751
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: honestly that I miss is even if you go back

752
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: to school, just the things we were taught are not

753
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: taught about who we are as a people. And I

754
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: just think by going to an HBCU, there are just

755
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: certain things you're gonna be able to learn and and

756
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: grow from by attending an HBCU. But I also think

757
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: it's very important to to your point, that we get

758
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: out of that mindset though, right like, I'm too good

759
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: to attend an HBCU, says.

760
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: Who you hear that? And why not why not be different?

761
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: Right Like?

762
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Why not go be the first to go to an

763
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: HBCU and take them to a national championship.

764
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of things that I think about.

765
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: I mean, Deon Sanders set the pathway right he went

766
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: to Jackson. Jackson State is still Jackson State. Like Jackson

767
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: State ain't changed, It ain't no different. It's still Jackson State.

768
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: But you had a name. The name brought the publicity,

769
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: brought the notoriety, and we've seen that. I can't remember

770
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: the guy's name who went to Howard a couple of

771
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: years ago, who played basketball at Howard, and everybody were like,

772
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: why he could have went to Duke, couldn't went to

773
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: do and he chose to go to Howard. So it's

774
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: like you had the people in your corner to tell

775
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: you that you can do these things and you can

776
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: be these things regardless of where you decide to get

777
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: your education.

778
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: But you just got to have the people.

779
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: Telling you, you know, to the Commission's point, sometimes you

780
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: just don't have the right people in your ear, in

781
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: your corner. My husband told me that he got recruited

782
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: to go to Saint Ogg, got injured to play basketball,

783
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: got injured in high school senior year, three games away

784
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 3: from the final season, from the end of the season,

785
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: but didn't have the support system to tell him, you know,

786
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: you could still go to college, you could still play basketball,

787
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: you could still do this.

788
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: So we instead chose the military because he thought that

789
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: was his only option.

790
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 3: Now, personally, I said thank you for choosing the military,

791
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: because we wouldn't have never got married friends.

792
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: Had we been in college at the same that would.

793
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: Have been a super hell no no, no, no, no, no, no.

794
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, So to your things are all day.

795
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 3: It was good for you to go to the Navy, sir,

796
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: and not to say, oh, just just having your support

797
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: system is incredibly important. And so you know what when

798
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: not when you think about the future of the c

799
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: I Double A as we wind down here, just what

800
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: do you what do you think is next? Like what

801
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: are you what are you looking for in terms of

802
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: elevating not just the tournament but the conference and the

803
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: impact that you know this conference can have on young

804
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: minds and young athletes.

805
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I god, I love the se I Double A.

806
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: It just gives me life and air and breadth because

807
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: there's just so many things. Like you know, sometimes my

808
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 4: staff sees me and I don't know if they're running

809
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: to me or running away from me, because I.

810
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: Got a lot of ideas about a lot of stuff, and.

811
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 4: I try to and I've hired a couple of people

812
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 4: on the team that can dream with me, and they

813
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 4: can see the dream and help, cause you really need

814
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: people around to have those conversations. And I've got an

815
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: amazing team. I've got some doers, and I got some

816
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: that's like, let's do it, commission, can we do it?

817
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: Those are the ones I kind of navigate to. So

818
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: our leadership development programming. We've always done leadership development and

819
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: we do it really, really well. We created the ci

820
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: doublea leadership legacy program, right so we send people all

821
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 4: over the country to get leadership development. We're creating our

822
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 4: own platform where we.

823
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Can call it, name it give our athletes an opportunity

824
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: to have act says for people like you all if

825
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: we invite you. We can do our only because we're

826
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: too talented to have to pay a lot of people

827
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: to send them out when we can do some of

828
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: that work internally.

829
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: So that's one thing. We're bringing back our golf tournament

830
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 4: this summer. I'm excited about that. We used to do

831
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: it in the past. We're going to be very intentional

832
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: in making it a legacy tournament where we ask all

833
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: of our Hall of famers and universities to get involved

834
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: so we can raise money to support student athlete events.

835
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: In our leadership program. We added women's flag football, so

836
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 4: this is the last year it would be a club sport.

837
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: It'd be official next year as a full sponsored sport

838
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: for the CIUBA. That's exciting and we're looking at bringing

839
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: our own internal marketing Communications strategy team. You know, we

840
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 4: contract a lot of people to do a lot of

841
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: work on that side, and I want to control our

842
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: brand much better. We have so many things that happen

843
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 4: at the tournament and partners that want to tell our story.

844
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: Now I don't need to tell our story. We know

845
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: our stories.

846
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: So keeping the talent, we have talent internal, We're gonna

847
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: bring in a couple other folks create our own department.

848
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: There's no Division two conference that does it, and there's

849
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: a few Division one that does it.

850
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're gonna run our business.

851
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: We're gonna mind our business and run our business and

852
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: own our business and stop paying everybody else to control

853
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 4: our business.

854
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: That's what that's not about. Facts. I love it, Yeah,

855
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: I love it. Though, I love it so much.

856
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: Well, everybody, I need you guys to run right now

857
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: to get your tickets to go to Baltimore, because I'm

858
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: gonna be there. We're gonna be there, We're gonna turn up.

859
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: It's starting on the twenty fourth of February. It's running

860
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: through the twenty eighth. It's in Baltimore, Maryland. It's a time,

861
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: every single.

862
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Time, it is a time.

863
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: If you can't get there, you can watch the games

864
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: exclusively on ESPN, plus some games will also be on ESPNU.

865
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, every and anything

866
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: you want is gonna be the fan fest, the career Expo,

867
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: the education Day, the steps show. You know, you got

868
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: some SG rolls up here. We're gonna come and take

869
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: this title. That's what we do and what we do,

870
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: take this title. I waited to the end, I.

871
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: Kept I just can.

872
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: This is my moment right here. So you know, there's

873
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: everything for everybody. So please make your way to Baltimore

874
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Speaker 3: to check out the c Y double A.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, once you go to one, you'll never

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Speaker 2: want to miss another one.

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Speaker 3: But Commission, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. It's gonna be fun go to

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Speaker 4: the c I l A Tournament dot org. Look I

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Speaker 4: learned today two chains was gonna be there. Is he

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Speaker 4: gonna be cursing the whole time?

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Speaker 2: I was gonna be cursing what I Chames was pulling up.

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Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I'm in front. Uh, it's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be live. We don't turn up.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much for joining. Appreciate I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you guys to love you much. I ain't gonna ask

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Speaker 3: your whether she's goin to join me in Baltimore because

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Speaker 3: I already know she finish. Say no squorking. I know,

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Speaker 3: I know, don't don't do me like that. But after

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Speaker 3: the conversation, hold on, you.

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Speaker 2: Said you don't feel good.

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Speaker 1: Listen, after this conversation we had, and I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you when I went two years ago, the games are

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Speaker 1: good and entertaining, but te it was all the other

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Speaker 1: stuff like.

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Speaker 2: Y'all be doing it for the culture period. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is a party period. So I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I can swing this was this, but.

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Speaker 2: Your throat is a little sore top. See what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying me you need a change of environment, is all

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm trying to figure it out. Let me

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Speaker 2: see that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, you said you're off on Thursday. Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop. So with that being said, we hope

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Speaker 3: to see everyone there who is there. Thank you, Commissioner

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Speaker 3: Mike Williams for stopping by and at this time.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's my favorite part of the show.

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Speaker 3: It's where you get to go ahead and level us

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Speaker 3: up with some amazing words of affirmation.

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Speaker 2: So what you got for us today?

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Speaker 1: So I found this new little page on i G

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Speaker 1: and if anyone else has, but it's called Women with

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Speaker 1: Purpose and I absolutely love it because every day there's

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Speaker 1: something that they post and I'm like, I can really

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Speaker 1: relate to that or I needed that. This is the

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Speaker 1: one I got for today. Okay, those who love you

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Speaker 1: don't clip your wings. They add another feather so you

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Speaker 1: can fly even higher.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just that one. It did something to

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Speaker 1: my spirit when I read it.

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Speaker 3: They don't clip your wings, they add another another feather

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Speaker 3: so you can fly.

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Speaker 2: That's when I'm talking.

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Speaker 3: About sources sore. I want to see you sore. I

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Speaker 3: want to see you sore.

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Speaker 2: They add something to your value to make you a

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Speaker 2: better person. I love that. That is so good.

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, thank you guys so much for tuning in,

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Speaker 3: for kicking it with us, for keeping us going and

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Speaker 3: keeping us rolling. We truly appreciate you. And listen, remember, guys,

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Speaker 3: it's not our show. This is our show. So we

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Speaker 3: want to hear from you. You got to leave us

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Speaker 3: a message. You got to drop us an email at

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Speaker 3: levels to this podcast at gmail dot com you got

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Speaker 3: to leave us a review and Apple Podcasts and if

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Speaker 3: you ain't following us on Instagram at ltt pod, honestly,

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Speaker 3: I think you're a hater. I just think you're a

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Speaker 3: hater at this point because why you listening and you

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Speaker 3: ain't following I concur some hatershit.

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Speaker 2: Go follow us, Go follow us, please and thank you.

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Speaker 3: And at the time of this recording, I am going

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Speaker 3: to say this for my girl, Happy birthday, Cindy Brunson.

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Speaker 2: It's your birthday. Go Sandy A. Hopefully this one. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: this will.

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Speaker 3: Entice you to come on the show, because we come

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Speaker 3: on out because you're planning come on now.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, thank you all for tuning in. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: And until next time, keep your mentals ground level and

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Speaker 3: we will be back next week.

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