WEBVTT - The Good (Bad) Guy with Austin Nichols 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.399 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.319 Hi girl, Hi Hi. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.960 So this is going to be a fun episode because 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:19.480 we are bringing Austin Nichols on the show because next Sunday, 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.119 our movie Gaslet is coming out on Lifetime, so I 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.160 thought it would be awesome to kind of chat with 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.960 him about the movie and just all things Gaslet by 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:30.520 my husband. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:31.600 I cannot wait. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:32.519 I'm excited to watch it. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.080 I'm so excited, which sounds terrible because it's like a 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.960 really correct, like tough subject line, but like I love 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.320 movies like that. I'm also really excited proud of you. Yeah, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.200 I'm really excited to see you in that kind of role, 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.680 like I got as Preston. We watched the trailer and 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:50.959 I was like, damn it. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.120 Cre great job, Cramer, Like I. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.760 Just couldn't, like I was because it's so different than 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.200 anything I've seen you do, but so good. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.080 Like I'm just really excited. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.760 The trailer is scary, I know, I know, And it 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.679 was hard too because I wanted so Jolie's obviously in 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.640 the movie, she plays my daughter. I wanted to show 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.399 her the trailer, but I'm like, man, this this is 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.680 really scary. But I also wanted her to see. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:15.240 That she's been there. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.360 So I was like, hey, baby, do you want to 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.520 see the trailer for the movie. But before I press play, 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.880 I just I need you to remember this is just 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.520 a story, and this is remember how I had to 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.800 kind of talk to her about what was happening in 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.120 so she got the context of it, like when she'd 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.200 run in and we were fighting or something, and I'd 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.920 always when we'd cut, I'm like, are you good? 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.319 That was just make believe, you know. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.800 So it was tough. Yeah, that is tough, I know. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.280 But when she watched it, she's like, that's scary, and 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:43.679 I was like. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.560 I know, but I was like, I was trying to 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:48.720 balance that line was. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:49.720 A little Yeah. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.920 Even my twelve year old was like, oh, this is 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.080 so scary. I was like, it's fine. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.320 It's funny though, because not funny. But when we were 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.200 filming one of the scenes, it was a scene where 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.440 you guys will obviously on Sunday you'll see it. Hopefully 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.600 you watch and tune into Lifetime. But the scene where 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.240 we end up leaving the house and I've got the 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:15.280 bags packed, Austin and I were joking about something and 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.280 Jolie's like, Mommy, it's serious. Time get serious. And I 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.519 was like, okay, girl, I love get in your role. Yeah, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.760 I was like, she's like amateur. That was like the 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.320 you know, her second week, so she was getting I 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.800 was just so proud of her confidence. It's great, amazing 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.920 she did. But that was just funny because she was 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:32.480 schooling me. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.120 Does Jolie want to do more movies? 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.800 Now she does? She actually has a meeting with an agent. Yeah. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.640 So I'm really proud of her because this is something 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.760 where again I feel like she kind of stepped into 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.519 her confidence and so that made me really happy to 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.880 watch as a mom. Even cried like a lot of 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.320 kids couldn't do that. No, No, a lot I could 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.520 not do that. I mean, I have three. I'm pretty 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:58.000 sure that so far. But I mean, but again, all 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.560 kids excel at different things. Yeah, kids are sports phenomenons, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.840 you know what I mean. Jolie, can you know that 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:06.800 can't do a cartwheel? 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.000 You know what I mean? So it's like they're all different. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.160 I couldn't do a cartwheel either, non actress, just trying 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:12.840 to find a spot. 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:13.880 Still forty two. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.880 They do, but I am really excited. It's weird because 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.080 I'm I'm kind of like how you said, Kat, I'm 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.240 it's it's weird to be excited for a movie like 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.800 this because it is someone's story that I was telling, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.680 but also it's not And I talked to Morgan because 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.520 this is the stories based on Morgan Metz. Her her 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.360 her husband tries to kill her. And when I talked 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.280 to her, you know, it was I was so careful 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.560 of my words too, because it was just I wanted 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.680 to be sensitive to the situation. But she also knew 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.960 my domestic abuse background, and so you know, she was 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.080 just like, this isn't just for me. I did this 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.640 for everybody else in which we had that conversation because 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.160 when I got the offer, I told Lifetime I wanted 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.560 to do like a little background. I told the head 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.800 of Lifetime that I really wanted to do something in 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.520 the domestic abuse space and then you know, be able 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.600 to shed light some light on that. And when this 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.279 came about, I was just like, Wow, this hits close 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.640 to home with some of the things that happen. And 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.320 so when I talked to Morgan, you know, that's and 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.000 that's when I told my therapist. I was like, and 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.719 I told you. We even talked about on here. I 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.160 was like, I don't know if I want to tap 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.760 back into that because I've already done, like there's just 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.520 so much emotion. Well I'll even be able to bring 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.039 the emotion out. And that's when you know. I sat 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.120 on here again. My therapist was like, it's not for you. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.479 And then when Morgan and I talked about it too, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.560 she was saying, you know, this is for the women 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.200 that can't get out of that relationship and that need 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.840 to see this, that need to see because I think 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.280 even if it's not the physical abuse, the abuse that 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.080 comes with the gas lighting is so much too. Because 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.880 I remember, I mean, I'm sure we've all been in 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.599 a situation where you just question your sanity and you're like, wait, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.520 but I I know what just happened, But then you're 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.240 saying it didn't happen, and then you just feel like 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:04.839 you're crazy. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.680 I grew up in a very tumultuous house, and I 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.240 don't and I will be careful to what I share, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.160 but I would say that this, like watching you on here, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.559 a lot of that resonates because the gaslighting is so real. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.680 I mean, you don't even know that it's happening, and 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.520 it's a slow chip away. I think a lot for women. Yeah, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.120 I mean I've been in relationships too where I've gone like, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.920 but wait, that's actually not reality. Like it's almost weird 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.800 when you have to stand in a truth and say 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.760 that is that's actually not what's happening. I'm not gonna 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.839 let you say that to me, even if you're not 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.160 saying that out loud in your brain, because it gets 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.440 so tangled up and enmeshed and crazy. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.000 But it's just so hard to know. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.720 Like I mean, I it wasn't the only gaslighting relationship. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.680 But then when I look back, I'm like, it's just 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.799 crazy how they try to twist the reality and twist 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.360 what's actually happening. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.440 The narrative becomes their narrative. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.080 Yeah, yeah, I mean we know that it happened. You know, 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.320 you you would sit there and watch it happen, right, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.320 You're like no, yeah, And I'm like and Catherine's trying 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.760 to but no matter how much Catherine could then tell 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.760 me something, I'm the one that's being like, said all 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.560 this information, I'm like, no, nothing, he did nothing, he 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.440 did nothing wrong, And you're submerged and you're like, yes. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:20.919 He did. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.960 Yeah, I think too. It'll be interesting to watch it 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.279 from a point of view. I I don't know that 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.720 I can truly think maybe a family relationship, but I 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.520 don't know that I can truly pinpoint a major gas 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:39.080 lighting relationship in my life, if I'm being completely honest. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.680 You're such a sturd actin so I. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.560 Mean, maybe mom to an extent, but like I would 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.960 have never thought of it that way, you know, but 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.279 I truly don't think I could. But it'll be interesting 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.760 to watch it from that perspective, have like having only 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.200 seen other people go through it, but I think it'll 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.919 be it'll be interesting to watch, and I think it'll 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.279 be really important for people who have been in that situation, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.200 but people who haven't to really kind of understand more 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.640 about people who are in that situation. Like there were 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.520 times with me with you, I'm like I can't, like 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.440 I can't, you know, not to be mean, but it 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:13.880 was kind of like, how does she not see this? 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.880 I can only do so much? What do I say? 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:16.480 What do I do? 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:17.000 You know? 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.800 But when it's your life and your subb it's and 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.560 I've learned that so much now yet I think it's 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.480 very important for people who maybe haven't seen it, who 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.600 haven't been in that relationship, to see how it messes 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.720 with the victim and how how they you know, how 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:34.240 they see it. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.960 I just I'm interested to see and. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.760 How they take it on as it's their fault. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.239 Yeah. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.720 Absolutely, they're they're to blame or they're the ones that 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.720 did X, Y and Z. And even if you were, 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.600 I mean, because like I just said, how you're so 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.720 emotionally and you're you're so strong. I feel even though 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.160 I mean, even the people that are strong, they still 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.320 it can easily just the comments can easily start to 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.880 chip away at people. Sure, And that's where there are 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.840 certain things. When I was watching back the movie because 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.520 I saw the rough cut, even when he asked, He's like, 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.200 why didn't you pick up the kids, It's like, well, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.280 I I didn't. You didn't ask me to pick up 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.720 the kids. So it's like this even just a simple. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:10.640 Question of. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.480 Not I don't want to say antagonizing, but a simple 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.240 question of doubting the other person, what their reality and 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.640 what their talk was, it starts to just start to 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.640 you know, because he was upset about something that happened, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.760 but I didn't say I was going to pick up 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.280 the kids? Right, Why are you asking me if I 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.640 was picking up the kids? And then it becomes like 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:31.200 an argument. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.840 Yeah, but also I do want to go back to 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.760 I don't think that I haven't been in that situation 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.280 because I'm strong in quotation marks. I think even the 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.320 strongest people can easily be guess no, I mean I 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.600 just have been lucky enough. And maybe it is because 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.520 how I grew. I don't know, but I just don't 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.720 think that I have. But like, I think it would 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.679 be so easy, even just hearing that comment, I would 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.440 easily be like, wait, I could easily see feeling crazy 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.680 and just the smallest conversation like that, it's crazy. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:03.839 I'm anxious to watch it for sure. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:04.840 I don't think. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.960 I mean, oh, I just say I know I could 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.439 not have done it without Austin, Like there's there's no 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:17.199 possible way. Especially there was a scene during the attack scene, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:18.400 so I don't like it. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.760 This is this is no. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.320 I don't want to say it's embarrassing. This is just 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.960 a very personal thing. But if someone is on top 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:32.080 of me and it could be having sex, like if 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.760 there's if I feel like I can't get up, I 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.199 will go into a full panic attack mode because the 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.440 body remembers my first abuser on top of me and 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:45.680 I couldn't move, and so during this scene, I was like, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.800 oh man, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna struggle at 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.560 this because Austin is on top of me, and I 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.440 know I'm trying to struggle to get out. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.080 There's a scene. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.200 Where he puts the pillowcase over my head, and so 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.679 not only are my my arms bound he puts the 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.520 pillowcase over my head, but because we were so in it, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.120 when he put the pillow case over my head, it 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.040 was too tight. So I couldn't breathe because I took 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.240 one big breath and it took me right back to 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.559 being strangled. I mean, I screamed so loud that they 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.120 had to they called cut because I just I couldn't breathe, 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.160 and I mean riped the thing, you know. They off 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.000 my head and and I just I couldn't. I just 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.679 lost it and I had to go outside and then 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.840 we had to take five because I just my my 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.600 whole body was just like back in it and it 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.880 was so fricking scary. But like the only person that 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.760 I felt safe around that moment was being there with 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.280 Austin and like knowing like he had me and that 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.040 that wasn't what was going on, this was just a movie. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.600 And I had to almost like I had to take 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.120 five minutes, put my feet on the ground outside, take 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.439 a few you know, deep, and go, Okay, this is 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.200 not reality. This is not actually happening. But it just 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.720 brought me back and it was yeah, that's a lot. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:06.320 Wow, Yeah that is this is not Mario Lopez square, No, No, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:06.839 this is not. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.400 No, it was it was no. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.679 I mean I even had to talk to to Amy 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.640 about it because that moment was just it was tough, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.600 but I got to take the power back in that moment. Yeah. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.640 I also what she helped me with. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.720 I can see glimpses even in the trailer of just 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:31.520 like it almost because I know you looked almost therapeutically acted, 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.000 like I was like, Okay, she knows this space. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.040 I'll tell you about a scene that I'm i think 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.240 the most proud of, but let's first get Austin on. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.959 Hello ladies, seriously. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.800 Let me just tell you right now what Austin is 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:04.080 up to, because he just started filming, acting, directing in 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.199 a movie that he's directing the movie and he's acting. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:07.680 In It's amazing. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.600 No, I'm not acting in it. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:10.960 Oh I thought you're not acting. I thought you were 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:11.480 acting in it. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:16.080 There was a lot of talk. It's funny when you're 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.160 an actor and you start directing people that questions. I 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:20.440 was like, well, are you going to play a role? 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.439 And there was a moment where I was going to 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.960 play the bad guy because people love me to play 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.280 bad guys, which we're going to get into. And then 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:33.400 we got an amazing we lost our leading man and 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.920 for a while there we were scrambling to find someone 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:41.839 and the producers were going, can you do it? And 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.080 I was like, no, no, I mean I could, but 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.720 I really don't want to. I really really wanted to 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.800 focus on directing and be so so locked in and focused. 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.400 But now I'm not. I mean, there may be a 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.480 funny little moment I find, like a fun little you know, 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.959 hitchcock little I'm back in the corner or something funny, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.280 but no, I'm not playing a substantial role. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.920 Well, either way, you're directing, and there's that's a lot 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.040 of moving pieces. So thank you for coming on to 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.800 talk about gas lit by my. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.040 Husband for having me. I'm so excited So when you. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.280 Got this, well, actually, let me just get the elephant 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.679 out of the room really fast. Sydney, our producer has 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.640 a big crush on you. You are I'm calling out Sydney, Sydney. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:32.760 Sure, Sydney for my Sydney. I actually, I can believe 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:33.640 you just did. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:36.199 That. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.320 You cannot tell me, you know, we're talking about this later. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:48.800 How are you hi? Oh my god, I'm good, so 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:49.400 great to meet you. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:51.679 Yeah. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.280 I just had to say that. Sorry, Sydney, I love you. Okay, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.720 of Sydney. She can't tell me stuff like that. She 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:58.480 doesn't know yet. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.320 I didn't like Chad Austin was my crash and I'm like, well, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.960 she shouldn't tell me that one. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:05.320 Okay. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.679 So when you got this script, what was your first thought? 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.479 When reading the script. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.959 I immediately my gut said, this is so meaty. This 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.200 role is so meaty. And it goes from you know, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.600 like all American happy young couple to you know, this 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.440 guy becomes a monster. And I'm like, how do you 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.520 say no to that? You know, there's there's there was 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.120 never a doubt in my mind. I was like, I 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.040 I these are the kinds of kinds of roles you 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.520 dream about that you can sink your teeth into where 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.920 you get to go from A to Z. And you 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:44.000 know the hard part was, you know, being such a 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.960 monster with you in some of these scenes and and 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.920 and seeing you go to these places that was really 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:56.760 hard and and at times like terrifying and like you 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.960 were the one going through it and it was way 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.680 harder for you. But then we're sitting there going what 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.040 are we doing? Like it was it was you know, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.160 I remember a moment that you I'll let you talk 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.240 about it if you want to or not, where we 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.120 all had to stop and go like, okay, we have 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.240 to think about this for a second. You know, it 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.720 was it's really case I see. But you know, those 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.320 heavy things are are I feel like what a lot 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.560 of actors you know, dream about. You know, you want 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.480 to be able to test yourself. You want to be 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.800 able to you know, stretch your wings. You want to 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.720 be able to try something challenging and that you've never 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.560 done before. And I mean this this was a huge 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:36.480 opportunity for me. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.280 What was that the pillowcase one, because that's what I 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.760 had just Yeah, that was that one scared me. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.840 Yeah, have you talked about that already? 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.240 I basically, yeah, just just before you came on, I said, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.040 one of the moments that I think triggered my past 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.080 was when you were on top of me and I 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.000 couldn't breathe when that pillow case came over. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.720 So I remember, like, because we had to do this 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.800 a bunch of times, and you know, we're on the 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.160 and Janet, we're struggling, and jan is emotionally, you know, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.480 like going through it and it's screaming in tears and 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.360 all this stuff. And I remember when the pillowcase, when 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.840 I put the pillowcase over your head, the fake blood 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.640 on your face soaked into the pillowcase, and then the 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.800 pillowcase you breathed in and it went that kind of 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:22.040 like concave suction into your mouth, and that's I freaked out. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.640 And that's right. We need tapped out because I mean, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.640 I knew you weren't going to suffocate, but it was 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.120 the scariest moment. And that's right when you you were 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.720 like no more, and it was I've never been in 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.160 that position on a set. I've never experienced anything like that, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.360 and I can't even imagine what that was like for you. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.480 That was one of my questions is because you two 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.000 have such a deep friendship to be an actor and 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.040 then have to separate your compassion that you have for 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.480 her as a person. Does it make it even more 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.560 challenging then to step into a role obviously as an 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.920 actor and like as like a master of your craft, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.480 you want to be really good at that scene, but 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.439 then you have this heart for a person. How what 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.280 is the duality of that feel like in the scene. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.920 I mean I could never let go of caring about 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:15.719 like I could never fully step into this this character 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.440 and not care like there was never a moment where 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.719 I was like I wasn't thinking about her. You know. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.280 It just it's impossible. I'm not that good of an actor. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.320 No, maybe you're just that good of a human. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.200 I actually would prefer you to be a better human. Anyways. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.919 Yeah, I mean, well, thank you, that's very nice, But 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.399 it's it's it's just one of those I don't know 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.399 what else to say about it. It was just, you know, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.400 while while it's important to get this story out there 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.360 and it can ultimately help people, and it can help 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.960 women get out of dangerous situations, there's there's a moment 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.160 I think where we all we were all going, why 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.560 are we doing this. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.920 Yeah, well I think too. I mean that that that 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.640 part as well. There was sexual assaults in it, So 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.560 there was just those those different layers of I mean 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.359 even it's hard because we are so close and we're 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.800 we've been friends for so long, it was difficult to 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.000 I mean for the for the first week and a half, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.320 I mean, we barely even spoke to each other because 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.160 we had to both be in seene and you had 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.439 to be this monster and I and I had to 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.959 be on the brink of a complete breakdown in tears. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.320 That like, there was no normally on a set, it's 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.119 I mean you've been there, it's like everyone's happy and 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.280 they're talking, and it's like you don't really need to 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.560 really get into character that much at them, you know, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.000 because this is all like usually fun, like yeah, Christmas 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.000 movies and you know. So, but this was like we 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.520 almost stayed apart for a while because we had to 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.840 stay in such a like distant thing. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.600 Yeah. I mean, I remember after that first week or 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.199 week and a half going, oh my god, I'm so 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.399 glad we got that stuff over with because then we 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.320 were able to actually laugh and have some fun, and 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.520 it was hard to find those moments even but we 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:01.960 did and we're kind of like, oh my god, I'm 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.000 so glad that stuff is over. You know, the movie 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.480 still had heavy stuff in it. But I don't know 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.440 how you felt, but I was. I was thankful we 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:10.040 kind of did that. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:11.080 I was relieved. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.680