Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi girl, Hi Hi.
Speaker 3: So this is going to be a fun episode because
Speaker 3: we are bringing Austin Nichols on the show because next Sunday,
Speaker 3: our movie Gaslet is coming out on Lifetime, so I
Speaker 3: thought it would be awesome to kind of chat with
Speaker 3: him about the movie and just all things Gaslet by
Speaker 3: my husband.
Speaker 4: I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch it.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, which sounds terrible because it's like a
Speaker 1: really correct, like tough subject line, but like I love
Speaker 1: movies like that. I'm also really excited proud of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see you in that kind of role,
Speaker 1: like I got as Preston. We watched the trailer and
Speaker 1: I was like, damn it.
Speaker 4: Cre great job, Cramer, Like I.
Speaker 5: Just couldn't, like I was because it's so different than
Speaker 5: anything I've seen you do, but so good.
Speaker 6: Like I'm just really excited.
Speaker 3: The trailer is scary, I know, I know, And it
Speaker 3: was hard too because I wanted so Jolie's obviously in
Speaker 3: the movie, she plays my daughter. I wanted to show
Speaker 3: her the trailer, but I'm like, man, this this is
Speaker 3: really scary. But I also wanted her to see.
Speaker 2: That she's been there.
Speaker 3: So I was like, hey, baby, do you want to
Speaker 3: see the trailer for the movie. But before I press play,
Speaker 3: I just I need you to remember this is just
Speaker 3: a story, and this is remember how I had to
Speaker 3: kind of talk to her about what was happening in
Speaker 3: so she got the context of it, like when she'd
Speaker 3: run in and we were fighting or something, and I'd
Speaker 3: always when we'd cut, I'm like, are you good?
Speaker 2: That was just make believe, you know.
Speaker 3: So it was tough. Yeah, that is tough, I know.
Speaker 3: But when she watched it, she's like, that's scary, and
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: I know, but I was like, I was trying to
Speaker 2: balance that line was.
Speaker 6: A little Yeah.
Speaker 4: Even my twelve year old was like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: so scary. I was like, it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's funny though, because not funny. But when we were
Speaker 3: filming one of the scenes, it was a scene where
Speaker 3: you guys will obviously on Sunday you'll see it. Hopefully
Speaker 3: you watch and tune into Lifetime. But the scene where
Speaker 3: we end up leaving the house and I've got the
Speaker 3: bags packed, Austin and I were joking about something and
Speaker 3: Jolie's like, Mommy, it's serious. Time get serious. And I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, girl, I love get in your role. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, she's like amateur. That was like the
Speaker 3: you know, her second week, so she was getting I
Speaker 3: was just so proud of her confidence. It's great, amazing
Speaker 3: she did. But that was just funny because she was
Speaker 3: schooling me.
Speaker 6: Does Jolie want to do more movies?
Speaker 2: Now she does? She actually has a meeting with an agent. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm really proud of her because this is something
Speaker 3: where again I feel like she kind of stepped into
Speaker 3: her confidence and so that made me really happy to
Speaker 3: watch as a mom. Even cried like a lot of
Speaker 3: kids couldn't do that. No, No, a lot I could
Speaker 3: not do that. I mean, I have three. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure that so far. But I mean, but again, all
Speaker 3: kids excel at different things. Yeah, kids are sports phenomenons,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Jolie, can you know that
Speaker 3: can't do a cartwheel?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's like they're all different.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do a cartwheel either, non actress, just trying
Speaker 5: to find a spot.
Speaker 6: Still forty two.
Speaker 3: They do, but I am really excited. It's weird because
Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of like how you said, Kat, I'm
Speaker 3: it's it's weird to be excited for a movie like
Speaker 3: this because it is someone's story that I was telling,
Speaker 3: but also it's not And I talked to Morgan because
Speaker 3: this is the stories based on Morgan Metz. Her her
Speaker 3: her husband tries to kill her. And when I talked
Speaker 3: to her, you know, it was I was so careful
Speaker 3: of my words too, because it was just I wanted
Speaker 3: to be sensitive to the situation. But she also knew
Speaker 3: my domestic abuse background, and so you know, she was
Speaker 3: just like, this isn't just for me. I did this
Speaker 3: for everybody else in which we had that conversation because
Speaker 3: when I got the offer, I told Lifetime I wanted
Speaker 3: to do like a little background. I told the head
Speaker 3: of Lifetime that I really wanted to do something in
Speaker 3: the domestic abuse space and then you know, be able
Speaker 3: to shed light some light on that. And when this
Speaker 3: came about, I was just like, Wow, this hits close
Speaker 3: to home with some of the things that happen. And
Speaker 3: so when I talked to Morgan, you know, that's and
Speaker 3: that's when I told my therapist. I was like, and
Speaker 3: I told you. We even talked about on here. I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know if I want to tap
Speaker 3: back into that because I've already done, like there's just
Speaker 3: so much emotion. Well I'll even be able to bring
Speaker 3: the emotion out. And that's when you know. I sat
Speaker 3: on here again. My therapist was like, it's not for you.
Speaker 3: And then when Morgan and I talked about it too,
Speaker 3: she was saying, you know, this is for the women
Speaker 3: that can't get out of that relationship and that need
Speaker 3: to see this, that need to see because I think
Speaker 3: even if it's not the physical abuse, the abuse that
Speaker 3: comes with the gas lighting is so much too. Because
Speaker 3: I remember, I mean, I'm sure we've all been in
Speaker 3: a situation where you just question your sanity and you're like, wait,
Speaker 3: but I I know what just happened, But then you're
Speaker 3: saying it didn't happen, and then you just feel like
Speaker 3: you're crazy.
Speaker 5: I grew up in a very tumultuous house, and I
Speaker 5: don't and I will be careful to what I share,
Speaker 5: but I would say that this, like watching you on here,
Speaker 5: a lot of that resonates because the gaslighting is so real.
Speaker 5: I mean, you don't even know that it's happening, and
Speaker 5: it's a slow chip away. I think a lot for women. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean I've been in relationships too where I've gone like,
Speaker 5: but wait, that's actually not reality. Like it's almost weird
Speaker 5: when you have to stand in a truth and say
Speaker 5: that is that's actually not what's happening. I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: let you say that to me, even if you're not
Speaker 5: saying that out loud in your brain, because it gets
Speaker 5: so tangled up and enmeshed and crazy.
Speaker 2: But it's just so hard to know.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I it wasn't the only gaslighting relationship.
Speaker 3: But then when I look back, I'm like, it's just
Speaker 3: crazy how they try to twist the reality and twist
Speaker 3: what's actually happening.
Speaker 6: The narrative becomes their narrative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean we know that it happened. You know,
Speaker 3: you you would sit there and watch it happen, right,
Speaker 3: You're like no, yeah, And I'm like and Catherine's trying
Speaker 3: to but no matter how much Catherine could then tell
Speaker 3: me something, I'm the one that's being like, said all
Speaker 3: this information, I'm like, no, nothing, he did nothing, he
Speaker 3: did nothing wrong, And you're submerged and you're like, yes.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think too. It'll be interesting to watch it
Speaker 1: from a point of view. I I don't know that
Speaker 1: I can truly think maybe a family relationship, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that I can truly pinpoint a major gas
Speaker 1: lighting relationship in my life, if I'm being completely honest.
Speaker 2: You're such a sturd actin so I.
Speaker 1: Mean, maybe mom to an extent, but like I would
Speaker 1: have never thought of it that way, you know, but
Speaker 1: I truly don't think I could. But it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to watch it from that perspective, have like having only
Speaker 1: seen other people go through it, but I think it'll
Speaker 1: be it'll be interesting to watch, and I think it'll
Speaker 1: be really important for people who have been in that situation,
Speaker 1: but people who haven't to really kind of understand more
Speaker 1: about people who are in that situation. Like there were
Speaker 1: times with me with you, I'm like I can't, like
Speaker 1: I can't, you know, not to be mean, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, how does she not see this?
Speaker 4: I can only do so much? What do I say?
Speaker 4: What do I do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: But when it's your life and your subb it's and
Speaker 5: I've learned that so much now yet I think it's
Speaker 5: very important for people who maybe haven't seen it, who
Speaker 5: haven't been in that relationship, to see how it messes
Speaker 5: with the victim and how how they you know, how
Speaker 5: they see it.
Speaker 4: I just I'm interested to see and.
Speaker 2: How they take it on as it's their fault.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're they're to blame or they're the ones that
Speaker 3: did X, Y and Z. And even if you were,
Speaker 3: I mean, because like I just said, how you're so
Speaker 3: emotionally and you're you're so strong. I feel even though
Speaker 3: I mean, even the people that are strong, they still
Speaker 3: it can easily just the comments can easily start to
Speaker 3: chip away at people. Sure, And that's where there are
Speaker 3: certain things. When I was watching back the movie because
Speaker 3: I saw the rough cut, even when he asked, He's like,
Speaker 3: why didn't you pick up the kids, It's like, well,
Speaker 3: I I didn't. You didn't ask me to pick up
Speaker 3: the kids. So it's like this even just a simple.
Speaker 2: Question of.
Speaker 3: Not I don't want to say antagonizing, but a simple
Speaker 3: question of doubting the other person, what their reality and
Speaker 3: what their talk was, it starts to just start to
Speaker 3: you know, because he was upset about something that happened,
Speaker 3: but I didn't say I was going to pick up
Speaker 3: the kids? Right, Why are you asking me if I
Speaker 3: was picking up the kids? And then it becomes like
Speaker 3: an argument.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I do want to go back to
Speaker 1: I don't think that I haven't been in that situation
Speaker 1: because I'm strong in quotation marks. I think even the
Speaker 1: strongest people can easily be guess no, I mean I
Speaker 1: just have been lucky enough. And maybe it is because
Speaker 1: how I grew. I don't know, but I just don't
Speaker 1: think that I have. But like, I think it would
Speaker 1: be so easy, even just hearing that comment, I would
Speaker 1: easily be like, wait, I could easily see feeling crazy
Speaker 1: and just the smallest conversation like that, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I'm anxious to watch it for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, I just say I know I could
Speaker 3: not have done it without Austin, Like there's there's no
Speaker 3: possible way. Especially there was a scene during the attack scene,
Speaker 3: so I don't like it.
Speaker 2: This is this is no.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it's embarrassing. This is just
Speaker 3: a very personal thing. But if someone is on top
Speaker 3: of me and it could be having sex, like if
Speaker 3: there's if I feel like I can't get up, I
Speaker 3: will go into a full panic attack mode because the
Speaker 3: body remembers my first abuser on top of me and
Speaker 3: I couldn't move, and so during this scene, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh man, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna struggle at
Speaker 3: this because Austin is on top of me, and I
Speaker 3: know I'm trying to struggle to get out.
Speaker 2: There's a scene.
Speaker 3: Where he puts the pillowcase over my head, and so
Speaker 3: not only are my my arms bound he puts the
Speaker 3: pillowcase over my head, but because we were so in it,
Speaker 3: when he put the pillow case over my head, it
Speaker 3: was too tight. So I couldn't breathe because I took
Speaker 3: one big breath and it took me right back to
Speaker 3: being strangled. I mean, I screamed so loud that they
Speaker 3: had to they called cut because I just I couldn't breathe,
Speaker 3: and I mean riped the thing, you know. They off
Speaker 3: my head and and I just I couldn't. I just
Speaker 3: lost it and I had to go outside and then
Speaker 3: we had to take five because I just my my
Speaker 3: whole body was just like back in it and it
Speaker 3: was so fricking scary. But like the only person that
Speaker 3: I felt safe around that moment was being there with
Speaker 3: Austin and like knowing like he had me and that
Speaker 3: that wasn't what was going on, this was just a movie.
Speaker 3: And I had to almost like I had to take
Speaker 3: five minutes, put my feet on the ground outside, take
Speaker 3: a few you know, deep, and go, Okay, this is
Speaker 3: not reality. This is not actually happening. But it just
Speaker 3: brought me back and it was yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah that is this is not Mario Lopez square, No, No,
Speaker 5: this is not.
Speaker 2: No, it was it was no.
Speaker 3: I mean I even had to talk to to Amy
Speaker 3: about it because that moment was just it was tough,
Speaker 3: but I got to take the power back in that moment. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also what she helped me with.
Speaker 5: I can see glimpses even in the trailer of just
Speaker 5: like it almost because I know you looked almost therapeutically acted,
Speaker 5: like I was like, Okay, she knows this space.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about a scene that I'm i think
Speaker 3: the most proud of, but let's first get Austin on.
Speaker 7: Hello ladies, seriously.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell you right now what Austin is
Speaker 3: up to, because he just started filming, acting, directing in
Speaker 3: a movie that he's directing the movie and he's acting.
Speaker 4: In It's amazing.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not acting in it.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought you're not acting. I thought you were
Speaker 3: acting in it.
Speaker 7: There was a lot of talk. It's funny when you're
Speaker 7: an actor and you start directing people that questions. I
Speaker 7: was like, well, are you going to play a role?
Speaker 7: And there was a moment where I was going to
Speaker 7: play the bad guy because people love me to play
Speaker 7: bad guys, which we're going to get into. And then
Speaker 7: we got an amazing we lost our leading man and
Speaker 7: for a while there we were scrambling to find someone
Speaker 7: and the producers were going, can you do it? And
Speaker 7: I was like, no, no, I mean I could, but
Speaker 7: I really don't want to. I really really wanted to
Speaker 7: focus on directing and be so so locked in and focused.
Speaker 7: But now I'm not. I mean, there may be a
Speaker 7: funny little moment I find, like a fun little you know,
Speaker 7: hitchcock little I'm back in the corner or something funny,
Speaker 7: but no, I'm not playing a substantial role.
Speaker 3: Well, either way, you're directing, and there's that's a lot
Speaker 3: of moving pieces. So thank you for coming on to
Speaker 3: talk about gas lit by my.
Speaker 7: Husband for having me. I'm so excited So when you.
Speaker 3: Got this, well, actually, let me just get the elephant
Speaker 3: out of the room really fast. Sydney, our producer has
Speaker 3: a big crush on you. You are I'm calling out Sydney, Sydney.
Speaker 7: Sure, Sydney for my Sydney. I actually, I can believe
Speaker 7: you just did.
Speaker 8: That.
Speaker 2: You cannot tell me, you know, we're talking about this later.
Speaker 7: How are you hi? Oh my god, I'm good, so
Speaker 7: great to meet you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just had to say that. Sorry, Sydney, I love you. Okay,
Speaker 2: of Sydney. She can't tell me stuff like that. She
Speaker 2: doesn't know yet.
Speaker 3: I didn't like Chad Austin was my crash and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: she shouldn't tell me that one.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So when you got this script, what was your first thought?
Speaker 3: When reading the script.
Speaker 7: I immediately my gut said, this is so meaty. This
Speaker 7: role is so meaty. And it goes from you know,
Speaker 7: like all American happy young couple to you know, this
Speaker 7: guy becomes a monster. And I'm like, how do you
Speaker 7: say no to that? You know, there's there's there was
Speaker 7: never a doubt in my mind. I was like, I
Speaker 7: I these are the kinds of kinds of roles you
Speaker 7: dream about that you can sink your teeth into where
Speaker 7: you get to go from A to Z. And you
Speaker 7: know the hard part was, you know, being such a
Speaker 7: monster with you in some of these scenes and and
Speaker 7: and seeing you go to these places that was really
Speaker 7: hard and and at times like terrifying and like you
Speaker 7: were the one going through it and it was way
Speaker 7: harder for you. But then we're sitting there going what
Speaker 7: are we doing? Like it was it was you know,
Speaker 7: I remember a moment that you I'll let you talk
Speaker 7: about it if you want to or not, where we
Speaker 7: all had to stop and go like, okay, we have
Speaker 7: to think about this for a second. You know, it
Speaker 7: was it's really case I see. But you know, those
Speaker 7: heavy things are are I feel like what a lot
Speaker 7: of actors you know, dream about. You know, you want
Speaker 7: to be able to test yourself. You want to be
Speaker 7: able to you know, stretch your wings. You want to
Speaker 7: be able to try something challenging and that you've never
Speaker 7: done before. And I mean this this was a huge
Speaker 7: opportunity for me.
Speaker 3: What was that the pillowcase one, because that's what I
Speaker 3: had just Yeah, that was that one scared me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, have you talked about that already?
Speaker 3: I basically, yeah, just just before you came on, I said,
Speaker 3: one of the moments that I think triggered my past
Speaker 3: was when you were on top of me and I
Speaker 3: couldn't breathe when that pillow case came over.
Speaker 7: So I remember, like, because we had to do this
Speaker 7: a bunch of times, and you know, we're on the
Speaker 7: and Janet, we're struggling, and jan is emotionally, you know,
Speaker 7: like going through it and it's screaming in tears and
Speaker 7: all this stuff. And I remember when the pillowcase, when
Speaker 7: I put the pillowcase over your head, the fake blood
Speaker 7: on your face soaked into the pillowcase, and then the
Speaker 7: pillowcase you breathed in and it went that kind of
Speaker 7: like concave suction into your mouth, and that's I freaked out.
Speaker 7: And that's right. We need tapped out because I mean,
Speaker 7: I knew you weren't going to suffocate, but it was
Speaker 7: the scariest moment. And that's right when you you were
Speaker 7: like no more, and it was I've never been in
Speaker 7: that position on a set. I've never experienced anything like that,
Speaker 7: and I can't even imagine what that was like for you.
Speaker 5: That was one of my questions is because you two
Speaker 5: have such a deep friendship to be an actor and
Speaker 5: then have to separate your compassion that you have for
Speaker 5: her as a person. Does it make it even more
Speaker 5: challenging then to step into a role obviously as an
Speaker 5: actor and like as like a master of your craft,
Speaker 5: you want to be really good at that scene, but
Speaker 5: then you have this heart for a person. How what
Speaker 5: is the duality of that feel like in the scene.
Speaker 7: I mean I could never let go of caring about
Speaker 7: like I could never fully step into this this character
Speaker 7: and not care like there was never a moment where
Speaker 7: I was like I wasn't thinking about her. You know.
Speaker 7: It just it's impossible. I'm not that good of an actor.
Speaker 2: No, maybe you're just that good of a human.
Speaker 6: I actually would prefer you to be a better human. Anyways.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, well, thank you, that's very nice, But
Speaker 7: it's it's it's just one of those I don't know
Speaker 7: what else to say about it. It was just, you know,
Speaker 7: while while it's important to get this story out there
Speaker 7: and it can ultimately help people, and it can help
Speaker 7: women get out of dangerous situations, there's there's a moment
Speaker 7: I think where we all we were all going, why
Speaker 7: are we doing this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think too. I mean that that that
Speaker 3: part as well. There was sexual assaults in it, So
Speaker 3: there was just those those different layers of I mean
Speaker 3: even it's hard because we are so close and we're
Speaker 3: we've been friends for so long, it was difficult to
Speaker 3: I mean for the for the first week and a half,
Speaker 3: I mean, we barely even spoke to each other because
Speaker 3: we had to both be in seene and you had
Speaker 3: to be this monster and I and I had to
Speaker 3: be on the brink of a complete breakdown in tears.
Speaker 3: That like, there was no normally on a set, it's
Speaker 3: I mean you've been there, it's like everyone's happy and
Speaker 3: they're talking, and it's like you don't really need to
Speaker 3: really get into character that much at them, you know,
Speaker 3: because this is all like usually fun, like yeah, Christmas
Speaker 3: movies and you know. So, but this was like we
Speaker 3: almost stayed apart for a while because we had to
Speaker 3: stay in such a like distant thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, I remember after that first week or
Speaker 7: week and a half going, oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 7: glad we got that stuff over with because then we
Speaker 7: were able to actually laugh and have some fun, and
Speaker 7: it was hard to find those moments even but we
Speaker 7: did and we're kind of like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 7: so glad that stuff is over. You know, the movie
Speaker 7: still had heavy stuff in it. But I don't know
Speaker 7: how you felt, but I was. I was thankful we
Speaker 7: kind of did that.
Speaker 2: I was relieved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the heavy abuse stuff was done and over with
Speaker 3: what do you what? I loved and that's what I
Speaker 3: just to go back to what I was kind of
Speaker 3: telling the girls, like I could not imagine someone else
Speaker 3: playing opposite me with this movie. Like I just I'm
Speaker 3: so thankful for you and grateful for you, like you're
Speaker 3: You're just an incredible actor. You're the best scene partner ever.
Speaker 3: There's a scene in the I mean there's so many
Speaker 3: moments where Austin and I get each other so well
Speaker 3: that and he knows when I'm about to do something
Speaker 3: to do a better take, and he's like do it again.
Speaker 3: And he did that to me on one Tree Hill
Speaker 3: where he held my hands and I, you know, I
Speaker 3: started crying. And so you're just such a giving actor
Speaker 3: and I don't I've never had that before, so I
Speaker 3: was just I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I'm just so grateful you you accepted this role.
Speaker 7: You're gonna make me break down here. I love you
Speaker 7: so much and I've never I've never really had somebody
Speaker 7: that I've got to work with again that I felt
Speaker 7: like we had. We have something that really works, you know.
Speaker 7: And I'm not going to be grandiose and compare us
Speaker 7: to Bogie and Bacall and you know some of these
Speaker 7: old amazing people who did you know, like in a
Speaker 7: stolen around Gossing, that work together again and again again
Speaker 7: because they have something that works. But I feel like
Speaker 7: we have something like that, and that's so rare. I
Speaker 7: hope we get to work together again. You know, you're
Speaker 7: you're You're phenomenal, and yeah, like I said it, it
Speaker 7: just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Was there a scene for you in the movie that
Speaker 3: you're the most proud of.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the first thing that jumps to mind is when
Speaker 7: Rodney comes to you and he he says that he's sick.
Speaker 7: And to be perfectly honest, I just I've emotion has
Speaker 7: been something that when I was younger, was really hard
Speaker 7: for me as an actor. And I think honestly it
Speaker 7: was just because I was young and I didn't have
Speaker 7: a lot of life experience, and you know, it came
Speaker 7: from a relatively really happy, nice family. Sure we had
Speaker 7: our issues, but you know I didn't I didn't come
Speaker 7: from the street, and I didn't like, you know, I
Speaker 7: don't have this. You know this tough, this tough story,
Speaker 7: in this tough childhood. But as I've gotten older and
Speaker 7: I've been through some stuff and I've lost my mom,
Speaker 7: and you know, I was really proud of that scene
Speaker 7: with you. There there was a natural kind of flow
Speaker 7: and it felt a little effortless when in the past
Speaker 7: it's the emotion has always been a struggle for me.
Speaker 7: So that one was I remember. I remember going upstairs
Speaker 7: in that house at the end, and just like I
Speaker 7: cried again because I was that's something that's been hard
Speaker 7: for me in my whole career. I was like, I
Speaker 7: was like, I was so thankful and grateful, and I
Speaker 7: remember looking up into the ceiling and thanking my mom.
Speaker 7: I was like, you know, you made me, you made
Speaker 7: by leaving me, you made me a better person, and
Speaker 7: you made me a better actor.
Speaker 4: Wow, gave me chills crying.
Speaker 8: That seems amazing, so sweet, though, Austin, I have a
Speaker 8: question for you that I've actually wanted to ask a
Speaker 8: lot of actors that get casted, So you said that
Speaker 8: you kind of you've been casted in similar roles that
Speaker 8: like kind of the bad guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I we always need a bad guy in
Speaker 6: the movie.
Speaker 4: We need you.
Speaker 6: But I hate it for you on a personal level
Speaker 6: because I hate that.
Speaker 5: I just have always hated when an actor has to
Speaker 5: be the bad guy, you know, because we all know
Speaker 5: there's like certain guys that just always get casted that way.
Speaker 5: Does it does it hurt your heart at all at
Speaker 5: some point that you're like, I make an awesome bad guy.
Speaker 7: Yes, it does. It does hurt my heart all the time.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, you know, don't feel too
Speaker 7: bad for me, because playing bad guys is really really fun.
Speaker 5: I mean, we do need you. I mean it's not
Speaker 5: really much fun if we don't have a bad guy.
Speaker 5: But man, I thought about that, like on a personal level,
Speaker 5: it's like, Wow, I make a really good like a hole.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to be casting you know, Like that's horrible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's so funny because a lot of
Speaker 7: time it's the grass is always greener. You know, I'll
Speaker 7: play a bunch of bad guys and I'll be you know,
Speaker 7: calling my agents like send me lead, send me, you know,
Speaker 7: I want to be the good guy, and then I'll
Speaker 7: get one and I'll do it, and then I want
Speaker 7: to be the bad guy. Yet so I actually think
Speaker 7: I've been extremely lucky to kind of be able to
Speaker 7: do both. Maybe if you really kind of waited it out,
Speaker 7: it would probably be more bad guys. But I'm you know,
Speaker 7: I feel like it's really fun and except for maybe
Speaker 7: this one was a little less fun because it's so intense,
Speaker 7: but it's usually really really fun. The one thing that
Speaker 7: I think is so interesting about being a lead is
Speaker 7: and you see this with you know, you really see
Speaker 7: it very rarely. And that's why I think, you know,
Speaker 7: movie stars are so rare because to me, it's all
Speaker 7: about trust and the audience trusting basically a person, and
Speaker 7: it's not even acting ability. To me, it's some of
Speaker 7: these people, like when I think of Tom Hanks or
Speaker 7: something or someone like that, we just inherently love and
Speaker 7: trust this man and he can play characters or he
Speaker 7: can play himself, whatever it is he's done at all.
Speaker 7: But there's something to me that's so fascinating about trust
Speaker 7: and a person sitting down in a movie theater or
Speaker 7: on their couch and they just go. I know I'm
Speaker 7: in good hands for the next two hours. Like I know,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to waste my time with this person.
Speaker 7: And that is something that I just I just think
Speaker 7: is so special.
Speaker 3: Well, what I think you do really well with the
Speaker 3: bad guy thing is you always try to find the heart.
Speaker 3: Like I remember when we were doing the courtroom scene
Speaker 3: and you had asked me basically what because I had
Speaker 3: you didn't talk to Morgan ever.
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I think when I told you about kind
Speaker 3: of what Rodney did in the court scene, you know
Speaker 3: you've even throughout the movie, you still tried to Yes,
Speaker 3: he is a monster, and you still tried to give
Speaker 3: him a heart in it as well, and some kind
Speaker 3: of compassion where it's you know, he did awful things
Speaker 3: and he's also broken and you were trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: give him some some you know some yeah, some compassion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess you know, if we were doing a
Speaker 7: doctor you know, it's it's it is at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, it is a movie, too, right, and
Speaker 7: you want to tell a great story. And I think
Speaker 7: you know, seeing seeing Rodney at the beginning and seeing
Speaker 7: this young love and this like these two all American
Speaker 7: all American couple. You know, you want, I feel you
Speaker 7: want to like these people so much at the beginning,
Speaker 7: so that what happens is so much more powerful, right,
Speaker 7: So you know it is a bit manipulative. But at
Speaker 7: the same time, I think it just it makes a
Speaker 7: better story. Right if the guy was just totally if
Speaker 7: there wasn't a little any kernels in there that we
Speaker 7: liked about him, I feel like people just turn it off,
Speaker 7: you know. So it's funny because I do feel weird
Speaker 7: about it. Sometimes I felt where I was like, why
Speaker 7: am I trying to like show the audience something lovely
Speaker 7: about this prencipent.
Speaker 1: But I think that's reality. I mean, unless you're just
Speaker 1: a complete, you know, psychopath over here, who you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: most of these people do have glimpses. That's why people
Speaker 1: get stuck in these situations. They have glimpses of the
Speaker 1: good in them, and that's why people get in these situations.
Speaker 1: So I think that's so important to show that because
Speaker 1: that's part of it.
Speaker 7: That's a great point. Yeah, I mean, you fall in
Speaker 7: love with someone, Yeah, there's absolutely I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 7: I'm sure there was a lot to fall in love
Speaker 7: with early on and then you know, people change, but
Speaker 7: you're I think that's really astute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really smart well as a guy, because you know,
Speaker 3: I feel bad always being like, you know, the woman is,
Speaker 3: have you been in a relationship where you've been gaslet
Speaker 3: from on the other side of things? Because I feel
Speaker 3: like it's just we've you know, it's just like the
Speaker 3: women and we've been gasolt and we've been abusing. Now
Speaker 3: the statistics are I actually don't even know, so I'm
Speaker 3: not even gonna speak on it, but I'm just we
Speaker 3: always just say that, like when I've been doing press,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, to the women out here that
Speaker 3: need to see this movie for sure, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: and men.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, No, that's such a great, great question. And this
Speaker 7: is I always think this is a question we should
Speaker 7: always ask the other sex, right like, because we always
Speaker 7: tend to talk about ourselves and to ask the other team,
Speaker 7: you know, is so I think that's what solves so
Speaker 7: many of our problems. Let's talk. Yes, Yes, I have,
Speaker 7: I have. And you know it's funny is that I
Speaker 7: And when I was in it, I didn't really know
Speaker 7: I was I am. And I think that's probably what
Speaker 7: a lot of people would say I didn't realize it,
Speaker 7: and I didn't really pick it up, you know, until
Speaker 7: I was out of it and picked it apart that
Speaker 7: I start to understand. And that's that. I feel like
Speaker 7: that's what happens to a lot of people, is you know,
Speaker 7: you fall for someone and there's something great there, and
Speaker 7: then as it bad things start to happen. You. You know,
Speaker 7: if you're a positive person, you stick to those positive
Speaker 7: Oh well, this happened, and this happened, and they were
Speaker 7: so lovely and this was this is so great, and
Speaker 7: you I stayed kind of blind. I don't really know
Speaker 7: what to say about that, except I wish I would
Speaker 7: have been more aware earlier.
Speaker 3: I guess it's like how though, you know, like for
Speaker 3: the person that's in that situation, it's it's so hard
Speaker 3: when you're in the cycle of that abuse, with lighting
Speaker 3: and the mental abuse of it all, it's like, how
Speaker 3: do you even see it?
Speaker 7: Yeah? And also I think, I mean, I can't say
Speaker 7: this for all human beings, but I think a lot
Speaker 7: of human beings when they're in something, they want it
Speaker 7: to work right, so we ultimately our goal oriented. I feel,
Speaker 7: at least I am and I want something to work,
Speaker 7: whether it's my career, my relationship, whatever it is I'm building,
Speaker 7: you know, something out of wood in my garage. I
Speaker 7: want it to be good. So I try to work.
Speaker 3: What else, Austin, I mean, you've got your directing. What
Speaker 3: else is on the horizon for you?
Speaker 7: I mean, I can't tell you, guys, how fun this
Speaker 7: is to direct this movie. Today's day four. We have
Speaker 7: a late call. We go in at one o'clock. We
Speaker 7: have two night scenes. I have the funniest group of actors.
Speaker 7: I have an amazing crew. Everyone's laughing and having a ball,
Speaker 7: even though it's ninety five degrees and we're all dying
Speaker 7: in the heat. But you know, we're doing a comedy.
Speaker 7: And I haven't seen anybody frown. I haven't seen anybody
Speaker 7: throw a tantrum. It's just been such a joy, and
Speaker 7: I I'm I'm lit up in a way that I
Speaker 7: haven't been, you know, in a long time. And by
Speaker 7: the way, I love acting, I'll always love acting, but
Speaker 7: this is just new. It's a new horizon. It's something
Speaker 7: I can really seek my sink my teeth into. And
Speaker 7: I just I hope this movie turns out good and
Speaker 7: people see it and I get to keep doing it.
Speaker 2: What's it called again?
Speaker 7: Right now? It's called Muni and I will I will
Speaker 7: say that the title is probably going to change. I'm
Speaker 7: not gonna I can't say what yet, but the title
Speaker 7: that we're gonna that it's in the in our minds
Speaker 7: is really really cool. In the second I can, I'll
Speaker 7: tell you. But so basically, it's about a really run down,
Speaker 7: beat up public golf course with dirt fairways and the
Speaker 7: quirky misfits who work there. The whole place is in
Speaker 7: jeopardy of getting you know, bought and developed, and it's
Speaker 7: just about a bunch of funny people trying to protect
Speaker 7: their home.
Speaker 3: I love that there's rumors swirling there's a One Tree
Speaker 3: Hill reboot.
Speaker 2: Would you do it? Yes or no? He's drinking a
Speaker 2: glass of water and he's not answering.
Speaker 7: Look, I mean, it's so rare that you're a part
Speaker 7: of something that could be redone. I really feel like
Speaker 7: it's you know, we see reboots when we're at home.
Speaker 7: We see reboots all the time. We're like, enough of
Speaker 7: the reboots, But how many actors can say they were
Speaker 7: in something that's going to be have another life? I mean,
Speaker 7: it's very cool. And you know, all I'll say is
Speaker 7: that I would just I want it to be the
Speaker 7: best that it can be. I want it to be awesome.
Speaker 7: And you know, if all the pieces fall into the
Speaker 7: right place, you know, how can you say no?
Speaker 4: Love it?
Speaker 3: Austin, you are the best. Thank you so much. Appreciate
Speaker 3: you just being vulnerable and sharing everything that you have.
Speaker 3: And I just I love you.
Speaker 7: I love you to death, and thank you for bringing
Speaker 7: me into this movie, gas Lit, and I owe you one.
Speaker 7: I had such a blast with you. And let's let's
Speaker 7: go make some more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we will love it, okayn't wait to watch, I
Speaker 6: asked him.
Speaker 2: I thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 7: You got it.
Speaker 2: You're the best.
Speaker 7: You're the best.
Speaker 4: No, you're the best.
Speaker 2: You know you're I mean it just he's just the best.
Speaker 4: He's such a lovely human.
Speaker 2: He really is.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that about me. I was sweet that
Speaker 3: he shared about the emotion side of it.
Speaker 7: I knew.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really remember him crying on One
Speaker 3: Tree Hill, but not that. I don't think that storyline
Speaker 3: really ever led to him being super tearful or anything
Speaker 3: like that. I mean, he's been in a bunch of
Speaker 3: other stuff, Sydney. I'm sorry. I just can't want you
Speaker 3: to have the opportunity to say hello.
Speaker 2: I'm glad she's I know you're happy. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't do it if I was.
Speaker 1: You look beautiful, but it is early there, so I
Speaker 1: didn't know. But she's actually the best wing woman on that.
Speaker 1: Like there's been probably twice that we worked together. Been like,
Speaker 1: all right, Jana, don't usually ask, but this is the one,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm on.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Lance Bass one of them I did.
Speaker 4: I asked.
Speaker 1: He's not a bit, I'm not a huge but I
Speaker 1: was like, everyone's gonna think this is cool.
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to ask for a photo.
Speaker 1: But no, I can't remember there was someone I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I just stood back and I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: ask on this one. I'm just gonna stare while you talk.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to speak with Matthew. I can't
Speaker 1: even remember, but I think it's happened a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But you're the best with that.
Speaker 7: Thank you?
Speaker 8: Really?
Speaker 2: Is that for me?
Speaker 7: We interviewed Maddie and Tay and I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 5: I remember that got me a picture with them and
Speaker 5: like we hung out for a while.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 3: I'm literally like, I feel bad for anyone that are
Speaker 3: quote unquote celebrities in my phone because I'm the person.
Speaker 7: Like, let's call him.
Speaker 2: They'd love to say hi to you. You know, I
Speaker 2: just want everyone to meet like the person. I just
Speaker 2: I think it's so fun.
Speaker 5: But you've done that for me too, because I have
Speaker 5: girlfriends in Michigan everybody.
Speaker 6: I have one.
Speaker 5: Specifically Coco, and she loves you, like loves you. And
Speaker 5: it was her birthday and I was like, Cramer, will
Speaker 5: you just face time. You're like for sure, like you don't,
Speaker 5: you don't care, you don't care what you're wearing.
Speaker 6: It's like the funnest thing to me.
Speaker 4: I think I've ever done that to you, and it
Speaker 4: made her day. I've never thought about that. I mean,
Speaker 4: she's like, yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 2: Eventually there'll be no one asking.
Speaker 5: So that's like Preston, I'm like, yeah, let me hook
Speaker 5: you guys, like of course you should come meet him
Speaker 5: and hug his neck and yeah.
Speaker 2: You're so sorry that I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks guys, but yeah, I just I just wanted
Speaker 3: to first apologize to Sydney.
Speaker 2: But again, I think I knew she loved it.
Speaker 5: I think we could frame it differently in the future.
Speaker 5: I would like to just talk off air about that.
Speaker 2: For Sid, I unfortunately love him more after that interview.
Speaker 3: So right, I cannot confirm nor deny, okay relationships. I
Speaker 3: meant to ask him that because it's not my sure business.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if he was like publicly single
Speaker 3: or what his deal was. I should have asked him, said,
Speaker 3: I should have asked him. I should have been a better
Speaker 3: wing woman for you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, any of the.
Speaker 6: Questions, No, I don't think so anything else.
Speaker 4: Sunday, it's the big day.
Speaker 2: Is Sunday?
Speaker 4: Is the big day?
Speaker 6: Lion Girl turns one on Sunday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet thing. Oh and we've got wind Down shows
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be great. So excited wind Down in the
Speaker 4: Wild Nashville, Detroit.
Speaker 2: And Chicago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 3: I hope you guys, it's hard to say it, enjoy
Speaker 3: the movie, you know. I hope it helps the person
Speaker 3: that needs to see it is what I'll say regarding that,
Speaker 3: and if you do need help one eight hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy nine nine, safe is a place to call.
Speaker 5: I'd also encourage that if you feel like something is off,
Speaker 5: it most likely is, and that might be a good
Speaker 5: starting point for women in this situation. I watched a
Speaker 5: lot of storylines unfold my whole life, and I think
Speaker 5: if you follow your gut and you feel like something
Speaker 5: is off, I would say that someone that feels safe
Speaker 5: doesn't often feel that way. So if you feel something,
Speaker 5: that would be my first intuition. Your gut is your
Speaker 5: best discernment, and I would say.
Speaker 3: You can take the power back in a situation that's
Speaker 3: something that I didn't know about for a while, even
Speaker 3: if it's in the past.
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Scene that I was able to do that in I
Speaker 3: actually called Morgan when I read this script. One of
Speaker 3: the scenes brought me crying. It was the courtroom scene
Speaker 3: where she gets to confront Rodney and she gets to
Speaker 3: have a speech. I never got that opportunity in court.
Speaker 3: I sat on the stand, I saw him, I looked
Speaker 3: him in the eyes, but I wasn't allowed to say
Speaker 3: anything besides the cross you know, the DA was cross examining,
Speaker 3: cross examining, but I never got to have like a
Speaker 3: a word with him, like you know, a goodbye almost
Speaker 3: in a way. And so with a scene, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to come up for me here.
Speaker 3: And so I called Morgan. I said, you know, I
Speaker 3: want to play this, and you know, I asked her
Speaker 3: certain things like how she felt in this scene or
Speaker 3: in that scene, because it's very similar and her speech
Speaker 3: that she said is pretty similar to what is written
Speaker 3: in the script, and so you know, I tried to
Speaker 3: also honor her story as much as I could as well.
Speaker 3: And so when I called her, I said, hey, I
Speaker 3: just need to ask about that courtroom scene. You know what,
Speaker 3: what was kind of going through your head from your
Speaker 3: point of view, and you know, how were you when
Speaker 3: you were saying the speech.
Speaker 2: Were you crying?
Speaker 7: Were you?
Speaker 3: And she was like I was just stone cold, super
Speaker 3: you know, strong, and you know, didn't flinch, looked him
Speaker 3: straight in the eye and then it never looked at
Speaker 3: him again. And so I told the director this and
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, so this is how Morgan played it,
Speaker 3: and She's like kind of what Austin said is. She goes,
Speaker 3: this is also a story. So she's like, tell the story.
Speaker 3: How you would tell the story? What would you say
Speaker 3: to your abuser on the stand? And so it was
Speaker 3: one take because there was no way I could do
Speaker 3: that again. So I asked her. I asked the director,
Speaker 3: I go, do you mind if we do my close
Speaker 3: up first? And she's like absolutely, I go, I think
Speaker 3: I'm going to play it how. I'll give you obviously
Speaker 3: as money takes, as you want. I was like, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to play it in my brain how I
Speaker 3: would have said it to my abuser on the stand.
Speaker 3: And it was I mean, they kept in every emotion,
Speaker 3: every piece, and it was probably I walked away and
Speaker 3: I and I remembered what my therapist and where she
Speaker 3: said you got to take the power back that day
Speaker 3: m H. And I got to like bury it. Wow,
Speaker 3: and it was like what a therapeutic it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So also to the people watching, like you can still
Speaker 3: even and you can still have that moment, have that
Speaker 3: moment to yourself if you have to say it to
Speaker 3: yourself in the mirror or you take the power back
Speaker 3: from that situation, because that was the most it was,
Speaker 3: like I was telling Amy. I was like, it was
Speaker 3: like a weight was lifted and I was able to
Speaker 3: just really move on from it after how many years?
Speaker 1: But it's crazy, you probably didn't. Did you even realize
Speaker 1: you really needed that no measure like that?
Speaker 2: Nope, that's so crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I'm so happy for you though, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Sunday Night eight seven, Central Gaslipay, my Husband, The Morgan
Speaker 3: Metzer Story, and again nine nine Safe See you guys
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I