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Speaker 1: cool it was that to Panga was such a unique

428
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Speaker 1: strong all of the wonderful adjectives we used to describe

429
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: to Panga and she was. She's such a unique character

430
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: that I'm proud to have played. Since we have started

431
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: the podcast and I've we've been recapping it, and we've

432
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: noticed all the things you just mentioned. Um, it seems

433
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: to me that it's very obvious that a large part

434
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: of the issue with the lack of female representation and

435
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: then the way females are represented when they are represented,

436
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: seems to be because there was a real lack of

437
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: of a woman voice in the writer's room the we

438
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: had them in for in season one, and one of them,

439
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: Jeanette Burley, wrote Boy Meets Girl, and she wrote two

440
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: amazing episodes, Boys to Mensa and and Boy Meets Girl,

441
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: and then she was gone after season one. Um. And

442
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: we had another writer who wrote another amazing episode of

443
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: female writer who was then also gone in season two.

444
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: And April Kelly, the co creator of the show, who

445
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: was then gone after season one, And and you know missed.

446
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: Susan Astell Jansen is the only woman writer we could

447
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: think of that lasted past that first season, and then

448
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: there were others that were brought in. But the ratio

449
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: is very heavily skewed mail and the p o V

450
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: is very heavily skewed real life experiences. And I think

451
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: the men writing the show um had a lot of

452
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: very strong relationships with the own with their own male figures,

453
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: and then just put that into the show without thinking

454
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: at all about the fact that there could be a

455
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: very interesting p o V from from the mom's side

456
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: or from a female friends side. So that's even like,

457
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of strange that both Corey and Eric eventually

458
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of share storylines and Morgan's kind of forgotten about

459
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: even though, like you know what I mean, there's three

460
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: children of the Matthews and only two of them get highlighted,

461
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: and those two are men. So it was just one

462
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: of those things that we kind of know that as

463
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: we watched through. Yeah, absolutely, I think you guys made

464
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: the same observation. But T and I when we were

465
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: watching this season, we were like, why couldn't Rue McClanahan

466
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: been Amy's mom, Like we think that that would have

467
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: been very interesting, Like we learned nothing about Amy's family.

468
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: I think I think we find out she has a

469
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: sister at some point in time, but that's it. And

470
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: it's like we would love like Betsy does such a

471
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: good job this season, and she's one of my favorite

472
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: TV mom characters, but to see this like really great

473
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: talent and really great chemistry just gotta go unused. Felt

474
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: like I think a Bunnie joke is that she is

475
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: a real estate agent, but it's like, when, how does

476
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: she do that? No, we were that. I think Danielle

477
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. But one of the biggest

478
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: things we got emails about was I suggested how interesting

479
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: a storyline it would have been if Amy woke Corey

480
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: up to watch the baseball game, like there's a twist,

481
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: it's it's well, you'd never have seen it before on TV.

482
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: It's unique. It would be something that people hate that.

483
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: You suggested that hated that. I suggested that hate hate

484
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: that the idea that And again, I came from a

485
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: family where my dad taught us baseball and stuff, but

486
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: but we mostly played basketball, and it was my mom

487
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: that taught us basketball because my mom played in high school.

488
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: So the idea of you know, a woman waking you

489
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: up to do a sporting event was not crazy for us.

490
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: I mean just that was my experience growing up. So

491
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: just mentioning, hey, why couldn't it have been any that well,

492
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: and people couldn't stand it, hated it, hated it. So, yeah,

493
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: there is a a real lack of of a woman's voice.

494
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: And then it's interesting what you said because as we

495
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: do look at the characters that are brought on later,

496
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: they are it does seem to be either completely pure

497
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: or hyper sexualized. We have three categories. It is a

498
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: woman of the week, it is Chase like good girl,

499
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: and then it's i'll use a different word, but basically

500
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: like caddy. Yeah exactly. But we also we noticed that

501
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: with the remember we talked about this, we noticed that

502
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: with the guest cast as well, because they would have

503
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: women come in that were like the moms and they

504
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: were all awful, don't you remember. It's like my daughter

505
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: needs the necklace and I'm not gonna be and it's

506
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: like the actors were great, but the characters as they

507
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: were written were like these one dimensional, really kind of

508
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: terrible women. Even though it's a wonderful night and the

509
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: girls who kind of ditch you when your car breaks down,

510
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: mean to you for no reason. Yeah, yeah, it's um,

511
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: it's it's we. Daniel's right. There was just a very

512
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: it was a very singular point of you on on

513
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: the writing staff, and we're hopefully it'll get better, but

514
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: it's not going to well, you gonna get work, you know.

515
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: I mean, well, we can ask these guys, but I

516
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: don't want to. It's going to get worse. Before we

517
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: welcomed them into the room, we said we can ask

518
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: him about future episodes, and we were all like, no, no,

519
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: we just want to see let's ask. It's so hard

520
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: for us to contain ourselves well because we know it's

521
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: going to take fifteen years to get to the final

522
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: episodes and three. So I have a jar that every

523
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: time I go in the future, I have to put

524
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: a quarter in. T like memorized these episodes and I

525
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: was like rewatching again, like reliving my childhood, and he'd

526
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: be like, when this happens spoil spoiler alert, Yeah, okay, specifically,

527
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: we again huge fans of t G. I f you

528
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: guys shared a block with family Man and Sister Sister

529
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: and will like taj Maori was your co star and kimpossible.

530
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: It's like, how aware of you guys? How aware were

531
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: you guys like these black sitcoms did you were you

532
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: aware of like white sitcoms or black sitcoms? Were there

533
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: any like cross promotion? Like it's so funny to us

534
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: because these shows are huge, and yet there doesn't seem

535
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: to be a lot of like cross pollenization, even though

536
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: you shared like you shared, that's true, it wasn't wasn't

537
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: Family matters bigger than our show. Big Family had had

538
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: way more numbers than our show did. Basically we piggybacked

539
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: on Family like we were following them when we started,

540
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: So we basically took you know, somebody we got the

541
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: good time slot because that's why we wanted eight thirty

542
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: because eight was so strong with family. But you're right

543
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: as far as it's it's interesting because as far as

544
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: like guest casting on each other's shows and stuff, we

545
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: only did that with Sabrina and I think that was

546
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: something they did eight or in the nineties, Like I

547
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: don't really think when we first started in four they

548
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: were they had figured out the synergy of being able

549
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: to bring other people. I think it started in like

550
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. We knew each other. I

551
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: mean we would hang out like as kids would have

552
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: us as kids. Were you familiar with the concept of

553
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: the like as as child actors, and you were all

554
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: hanging out together. Was this idea of like you're on

555
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: a black sitcom and I'm on a not for me

556
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: for me? Honestly, yeah, it was. It didn't because our

557
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: family growing up, it was you would watch Family Ties

558
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: and then you'd watch Cosby Show, and you were just

559
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: watching TV. That's all. We were just watching TV. So

560
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: it's like, like that's actually growing up. I don't remember

561
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: there being like a distinction, but as I've grown up,

562
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: I kind of see like a nothing again, Like Sister

563
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: Sister actually had a better Nelson rating than your show.

564
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Got Moved, And I was like, oh, it's interesting that,

565
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: like what was allowed to stay and what got moved?

566
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: And like I looked at the promos for um, like

567
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: your show or like Family Matters and the Castle of

568
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: Step by Step was doing that. It's like, well did

569
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: they ever ask the cast of Sister Sister the promo?

570
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: So it's just interesting to see. But then also I

571
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: think he and I wanted to know, like, have you

572
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: like you're revisiting this show? Are there any of those

573
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: shows that you've like explored like Smart Guy or anything

574
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: like that and shared with your your family? Alright, I

575
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: guess yeah. What are your favorites of of that you

576
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: grew up? I know you mentioned the Cosby Show? Uh

577
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: did you ever have that? Were there any other kind

578
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: of pivotal black sitcoms that you guys remember watching growing up?

579
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: I do so that. So sitcom was and is my life.

580
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: It always has been. I love everything about it. I

581
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: love watching, I love shooting, I love doing every possible

582
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: thing in the sitcom world. The idea that the true

583
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: American sitcom is gone kills me. It kills me every

584
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: single day. And again it's I don't know how to

585
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: say this any other way than we didn't see black

586
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: or white when we were watching TV. So what's happening?

587
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: Good Times? Um, Cosby Show, Family Ties, all these these

588
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: were just shows that we wonder years. These are just

589
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: shows that I just sat down and watched. That's all

590
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I saw, was just sitting down and watching. And so

591
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: my brothers and I used to do the dances that

592
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: Rerun would do all the time. Like that was just

593
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: our thing, was watching Shirley and d and uh, you know,

594
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: walking around saying Dino Mike, because these were the most

595
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: popular television shows of the time. That's all that mattered

596
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: to me. I just wanted to be on a show.

597
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: And the funny thing was, I was on a Nickelodeon

598
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: show at the time called Don't Just Sit There, and

599
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: we interviewed other casts, and the first sitcom set that

600
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: I actually got to go to was Family Matters, And

601
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting in the audience and empty audience because

602
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: we were going to interview the whole cast, and I'm

603
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: sitting in the empty audience, and I'm staring down on

604
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: watching Reginald Bell Johnson and he's working with Julio and

605
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: he's working and I just sat there, going Someday, someday.

606
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: So it wasn't it wasn't black or white to me,

607
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: it was I want that. I want what they have.

608
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I want to be on that kind of show. So

609
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: there's a real and not to get into this too much,

610
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: but there's a real kind of balance nowadays of not

611
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: seeing race at all and seeing it everywhere and only

612
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: seeing it, and I think it's important that we find

613
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: that balance because I you've got to be able to

614
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: recognize obviously what other other cultures are and what they're

615
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 1: going through. But at the same time, I loved just

616
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: watching those shows and just that's all I saw was

617
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: just funny comedy and great family and just sitting there

618
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: with my family watching TV. So I missed that as well.

619
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: But it is interesting will I mean, like to answer

620
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: you guys question, Like, you know, I didn't watch television,

621
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: so I absorbed mostly The Cosby Show. I've seen episodes

622
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: of that because that was the biggest show in history

623
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: the world. Um. But but what's interesting to me about

624
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: like what you guys are getting at is that so

625
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: on the on our side, on the actor's side, we

626
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: didn't really understand, you know. It was just like we

627
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: all hung out together, we knew these kids, and but

628
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: it seems like there was a creative choice at some

629
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: point to keep these shows divided, right because like even

630
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: guest cast wise, like we didn't have black people on

631
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: our show guest cast and on the black shows they

632
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: didn't have that many white guest casts. It was like

633
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: there's somebody was making a decision to keep this and

634
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: they were separate. They were getting higher ratings. Both the

635
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: both the black shows were getting higher ratings. But I'm

636
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: just wondering, like, what is that? Was that? And I

637
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to this question. Was the writing

638
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: staff on the shows predominantly black? Or were the writers

639
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: white and the cast black? I don't know that somebody

640
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: has written multiple essays about this, I'm sure, but I'm

641
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: just realizing now, like, yeah, like we didn't think about

642
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: it at the time, but when you look back on it,

643
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: it's so obvious that, like, why didn't we guest cast?

644
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Also really important though, to acknowledge that we, the white

645
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: cast members, weren't thinking about it. I don't know whether

646
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: or not Tian Tamara or Julilriginal vll Johnson, I don't

647
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: know if they were thinking about it, because I think, again,

648
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: it's very important to acknowledge that one of the reasons

649
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: we weren't thinking about it is because of privilege. We're

650
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: used to seeing people who look like us on TV.

651
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: It's no, it's so it didn't have the same impact

652
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: on us that we were on a show that it

653
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: did for black audiences to be watching people who were

654
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: them and looked like them on TV. So there's a

655
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it there. There's a lot of

656
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's part of that's privilege that we weren't

657
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: thinking about it. I'm sure, you know, speaking of representation,

658
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: just to kind of segue into another question, Um, one

659
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: of the things that we always like to give your

660
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: show flowers for is how it handles class differences, specifically

661
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: between the relationship of Korean Sean and writer I. I

662
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: my question for you is did you feel how did

663
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: it feel to represent a low income kid from a

664
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: broken home? Was there a realization that you were representing like, uh,

665
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: demographic that usually doesn't get the spotlight on tell vision shows.

666
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, other than Roseanne, I can't really think of

667
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: low income families getting the spotlight that yours did. And

668
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of the you know, even

669
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: like we say people of color, we resonated with Sean

670
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: because Sean felt like he wasn't part of the bit

671
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: of an outsider. Yeah, and so there was a relationship

672
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: that we had there. So I guess I was wondering

673
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: at the time, was that something you were aware of

674
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: or Um, how did you kind of mature in your

675
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: understanding of that over time? Yeah? I was I don't

676
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: think I was. I don't. I think I think as

677
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: an actor, I focus more on the immediacy, which was

678
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: the Shawn is troubled right. It was more like from

679
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: an emotional personal scene by scene basis, like, uh, you know,

680
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: Sean is upset that you know he doesn't get Corey's

681
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: life or as many presents or whatever the situation was.

682
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: It was more immediate. But you know, I think there

683
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: was an episode I remember when we did where my

684
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: dad becomes a janitor, and that I think was the

685
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: first time that I remember realizing what we were actually

686
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: talking about, which is I think pretty late and must

687
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: have been third or fourth season. But yeah, that's why, Yeah,

688
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: that I remember that episode being a big turning point.

689
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: And that's why during this rewatch it's been crazy to

690
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: see how much of the seeds were already planted for Sean.

691
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it went all the way back to

692
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: season one. I literally, in my mind, if you had

693
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: asked me, I would have said, well, Sean was a

694
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: troublemaker because I remembered the fugitive, but I didn't recognize

695
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: the class stuff. It didn't become conscious until that Janitor episode,

696
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: when we really brought it but now I see it

697
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: was always there. But no, as an actor, I did

698
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: not think of it that way. Um And and really

699
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: it did not hit me until in my twenties. Fans

700
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: would start coming up to me and saying, like you were,

701
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: you were the one. Like you were you were my

702
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: entry point of the show because I grew up in

703
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: a trailer park, or I just my family was broken,

704
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: or all these aspects of Seawan's character that spoke to

705
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: other people. Um And for me, it's been great to

706
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: realize that like all that sort of an immediate emotional situations,

707
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: that that that I was, you know, acting through resonated

708
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: and and and and spoke to people on these larger

709
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: issues that we're bringing to the surface. Um. But yeah,

710
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: I know, I really I had no idea how how

711
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: how big class was playing into the show until now

712
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: now I'm looking back on it and I'm so glad.

713
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: It's so cool. I can also say, you know, even

714
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: as somebody who grew up loving television as much as

715
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: I did, and when I mean it, I mean it

716
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: was my life. I love television. It was my escape

717
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: from everything. Um. As an actor, when you're on the set,

718
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: you don't realize the power of what you're doing and

719
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: the reach that it's going to have. It just I

720
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: think anyway, yeah, I think it's too overwhelming, But I

721
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: think back then it would it would have been too

722
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: overwhelming for us as kids to realize kind of that

723
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: it's not burden, that's not the power. It's the only

724
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: right word that you have going into people's houses every week.

725
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: It's also, you weren't binging, so this wasn't something that

726
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: came and went. This is something that you watched and

727
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: then waited for to watch again. There's an anticipation to

728
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: seeing it, and so we became part of people's lives.

729
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: And I certainly, I won't speak for anybody else, I

730
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: certainly didn't register the the amount of reach that we

731
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: had until years later. Well, you also don't know how

732
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: long the show is going to go, so you think, well,

733
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: how much reach do we have if this is over

734
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: after season one? And then when you're all said and

735
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: done and it's a hundred and fifty eight episodes and

736
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, we've really said something here. Um,

737
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: but you don't. You also, you're you're in some ways

738
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: as different as you are because you're an actor you're

739
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: still in eighteen nineteen year old kid. You know, you're

740
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: not you don't know how the world works. You're now

741
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: in your head because you're cool. You know, I'm a

742
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: TV show and I'm the cool and so you deal

743
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: with all the stuff that that normal kid that because

744
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: that's who you are. You're a normal kid. You're just

745
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to have a different job. So I don't think any

746
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: of us kind of realized the power of what we

747
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: were doing at the time. I think it would have

748
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: been overwhelming had we really thought about Maybe Ben did.

749
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't know. Just to kind

750
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: of segue into another question, because you guys have been

751
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: answering these so wonderfully. Thank you again for living us

752
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: on here. We're freaking out inside. This is a problem.

753
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: By the way, we will take one question and answer

754
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: for twenty five minutes. So you've been like, Um, one

755
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: of the things that's been extremely refreshing to hear it

756
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: is just how open you guys have been with your

757
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: struggles on the show. Danielle, your audition comes to mind, UM,

758
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: and you talk about how each of you guys kind

759
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: of felt burnt out by the end of the show's run. Um,

760
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: how has revisiting the show changed your relationship with it?

761
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: Has it helped you to heal old wounds, Like, how

762
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: have you been able to kind of um mature in

763
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: your own relationship with the boy betworld. Well, I'm probably

764
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: gonna start crying, because that's just what I do know.

765
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really try hard not to cry in this episode.

766
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: It has been really uh And I'm I will speak

767
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: only for myself and allow writer and Will of course

768
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: to share their experiences, but I I think it has

769
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: truly been very therapeutic. There have been things that I

770
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: would have never thought of again, memories I would have

771
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: never remembered, experiences I never would have rehashed or thought

772
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: as being important, relationships even that I had forgotten their

773
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: impact or their significance in my life, or moments that

774
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: I didn't know had such significance that have come up, um,

775
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: and have with them brought up a lot of feelings

776
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: and thoughts, and I've been able to not just process

777
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: it on the actual show, but then after the fact,

778
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: have my own our own little therapy sessions with Will

779
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: and writer. Um. Because you know, like like Will said this,

780
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: this experience of being a child actor is uh, something

781
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: very few people understand and have ever experienced, and then

782
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: to experience it in ex actually the same way because

783
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: we were on the same show. This relationship that we

784
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: have with each other is so um unique that being

785
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: able to then talk to them about the things that

786
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: it's brought up and been like this is I'm now

787
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: thinking this and what are you thinking? And we've been

788
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: able to help each other like it's really been um,

789
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: it's really been incredible. I feel like it has helped me.

790
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: It's made me more empathetic, It's made me um in

791
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: some ways, it's made me angry, it's bummed me out,

792
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: it's made me feel in some ways let down. UM,

793
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: but it's also overall given me a real It's given

794
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: me a greater understanding of why and how I have

795
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: become the person that I have become. And being able

796
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: to share those experiences in those conversations with writer and

797
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Will is truly easily one of the biggest gifts of

798
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: my life, not just one of the biggest gifts that

799
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: this podcast has brought me, but like truly being able

800
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: to do this and go through it has really been

801
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: an incredible gift. Now I'm gonna cry. I don't know

802
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: about you. Come on, man, I just want to say that, Like,

803
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: one of the things that I observed is how much

804
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: you guys appreciate the people who worked on the show,

805
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: and like you give the flowers to the casting agents,

806
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: the prop department, like the writers, Like it's so amazing

807
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: and so like I don't think we often get to

808
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: see actors really not only like appreciate and give things,

809
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: but like talk to and share memories with the people

810
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: who worked on the shows. And that's one of the

811
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: things that I've truly enjoyed about listening to the podcast.

812
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: It's not only do I feel like I'm constantly learning

813
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: about like how television is made, but I feel like

814
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: you guys are totally appreciative and give thanks to the

815
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: people who are actually doing like who don't always real work,

816
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: real work. It's a collaborative effort, you know. That's the

817
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: thing about filmmaking and television make It's just so many people.

818
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: And yeah, I it's it's funny. Like I think it's

819
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: funny for us because it seems obvious that like somebody

820
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: like Chris Kayer was there every day part of our lives.

821
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: But for people watching the show, why would they ever

822
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: think that a person like him exists, you know, but

823
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: he was like an essential part of the show for

824
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: us or in studio teachers, and like, yeah, I mean,

825
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: if if there's anything I'm really like super stoked about

826
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: this podcast, it's that because it's so funny to me,

827
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: like like, yeah, that's never occurred to people, you know,

828
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: that that it takes sixty sixty to a hundred people

829
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: to make one episode of television, and that we are

830
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: just kind of the we're the front people, you know,

831
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: we're the front man, Like we're just we're just the

832
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: surface of a giant you know, crowd behind us. And that, yeah,

833
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm you know because on a personal level, those are

834
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: the people we spend all our time with, you know,

835
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: as much as each other. Uh. And it's so funny,

836
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about how Danielle talked about a lot

837
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: how people like really are invested in like our friendships.

838
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: Like you know, people are always like are you and

839
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: Ben still friends? Danielle friends? And it's like why does

840
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: that matter to everybody? You know? What about like me

841
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: and the prop guy? What about me and my studio teacher?

842
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's like no one cares about that. So

843
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm that we're able to like sort of turn around

844
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: a little bit and sort of gesture behind us and

845
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: be like, look at all these people. It's it's such

846
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: a it's such a group effort, always is. Yeah. I

847
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: think for me it has brought up certain things that

848
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: I that he'd either gone dormant or I purposely buried. Um.

849
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: And some of it is very good, and some of

850
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: it has has triggered a little bit of anxiety, and

851
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: some of it has changed my perspective. And you're also

852
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: trying to, like you said, when when it came to

853
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: my acting, where it's like you gotta give yourself a

854
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: break when it comes to your acting, there's times where

855
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: you also have to examine your life and kind of

856
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: look back at who you were and be glad you

857
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: are someone different now and you've learned from who you were,

858
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: but at the same time to not destroy yourself for

859
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: things you did when you were fifteen sixteen years old. Um.

860
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: So it's it is it's a weird delicate balance again. Um.

861
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Danielle said it the best for me, where it's the

862
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: being able to go through this with writer and Danielle

863
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: has been that's the thing that it's it sounds so ridiculous,

864
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: but that's the thing that's made it okay, is it's

865
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: like it's I always talk about when it comes to anxiety,

866
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: the thing that's best is talking about it and being

867
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: around people that you love and that you're with, and

868
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: so going through this with them, it's like there's the

869
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: people they're proverbiably and sometimes literally holding your hands, going

870
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna do this together. Let's let's see

871
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: what happens, and we're going to get into it, and

872
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: it's it's certainly made it a much easier process. And

873
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: I will just say one more thing about it, which

874
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: is that, similarly to the way we joked that you

875
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: don't really quite know how much work podcasting is before

876
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: you get into it. When we talked about doing the podcast,

877
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: it was a lot about man, this is gonna be fun.

878
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna get together and we're gonna get to have

879
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: all these conversations that we get to have when we

880
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: have dinner with each other, and yeah, you know, let's

881
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: be real and let's be honest. But similarly to parenthood,

882
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: how absolutely nothing can prepare you for the experience um

883
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: actually looking at your childhood through the lens of not

884
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: only this was my childhood, but this is my profession,

885
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: this was my career, and these were the adults who

886
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: were also my bosses and also like parent figures to me,

887
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: and and looking at that lens and then having memories

888
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: come up that maybe, like well mentioned, may have been

889
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: repressed or maybe we're just things you completely forgot about,

890
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: and then it's a lot like it is. It is

891
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot, and it does bring up a lot of emotions,

892
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: and we get asked still all the time, is Ben

893
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: ever going to come on the podcast? Is Ben coming

894
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: on the podcast? Why isn't been doing the podcast? And truthfully,

895
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: when we first started talking about it, all of our

896
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: conversations among the four of us were about how much

897
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: fun it was going to be, and you know, Ben

898
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, and we kept trying to

899
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: convince him, and finally we said we're going to respect

900
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: your decision. And now, looking at it a full season down,

901
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: I think to myself, maybe Ben knew something didn't know,

902
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: because this isn't for the faint of heart. It just isn't.

903
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: You can't if it's not if you want to do

904
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: it the way we want to do it, which is

905
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: what we've been doing, which is really addressing things head

906
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: on and being honest and sometimes having challenging conversations. UM.

907
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't want to, um give us

908
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to give us an award, but

909
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: I do really as even just Daniel right here talking

910
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: to writer and Will, I would like to pat ourselves

911
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: on the back a little bit because it has been Uh,

912
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: it isn't for everyone, and we have done it exactly

913
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: like we said we wanted to do, and we have

914
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: stayed true to ourselves in our original goal and that

915
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: has felt really good. And it hasn't always been easy. Yeah,

916
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put another spin on this, which

917
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: is from from my perspective, I think, I and you know,

918
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: part of maybe the reason why so naively was came

919
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: up with the idea for this podcast was that, Um,

920
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: I had spent a lot of time running away from

921
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: Boymouth the world. Um not because I didn't I think

922
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: it was good or or but I just didn't want

923
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: to think about it anymore, Like I just wanted my

924
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: life to be defined by something else, or you know,

925
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to I mean, I think as part of

926
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: being a child actors, you you start to feel like

927
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: you can't define your life on your own terms, that

928
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: it's already been defined for you. And so coming back

929
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 1: and doing this on a positive note has just made

930
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: me really proud of the show, uh, you know, and

931
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: actually like really proud of you guys as actors and

932
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: the writing team and everybody in the show. It's just

933
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: it's a it's a really high quality sitcom and that's

934
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, and I having not watched it, having not

935
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: having just spent my entire twenties and thirties avoiding it, Uh,

936
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: there is something really awesome about going back and being like, no,

937
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: wonder this was a hit, Like this is so cool,

938
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: like you know, and I just want to unabashedly say

939
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: like there's a positive side to that, you know, and

940
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, so yeah. And then also

941
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: just being able to being able to have a conversation

942
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: not even necessarily publicly but certainly publicly helps, but but

943
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: a conversation with Will and Danielle in which we own

944
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: the show, you know, where we take it back for

945
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: ourselves is really important to me. Um, you know, regardless

946
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: of all the negative feelings that have come up, and

947
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: it's that there's this thing, you know that you know,

948
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: I was on four TV shows before I landed on

949
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: this one called the Ben Savage Project, and I've been

950
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: spending the last whatever year thirty years of my life

951
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: living from the repercussions of that, you know, And so

952
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: to be able to own the perspective with my two

953
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: best friends and be able to together say like, wow,

954
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: like we all went through this, and like can we

955
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: can we talk about this on our own terms? That's

956
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: been really empowering and really important, um in so many ways.

957
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: Uh And like I said, it's less and it is

958
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: nice that it's happening publicly and that that uh, you know,

959
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: I feel like the fans are responding well and understanding

960
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: our point of view. But just personally, like between the

961
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: three of us, I feel like I'm finally comfortable with

962
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: boy Meats World as as an entity in my life.

963
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I am in charge of that conversation

964
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: for prop for the first time since I was thirteen,

965
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: And that's just really nice. That's amazing to like hear

966
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: not only as as a fan, but as someone who

967
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: also like embraces like healing from trauma and learning from

968
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: their past and like learning that, you know, like those

969
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: parts of you are in fact part of you, and

970
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: so you have to learn to embrace them. And if

971
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: you're ever going to move forward, so to see someone

972
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: like and hear the stories that you guys tell and

973
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: then know that you are embracing and being able to

974
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of like rewrite how you're looking at it. As

975
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: a fan, it makes me love the show more because

976
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wow, like they are getting something from

977
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: this show, you know, and the and the authenticity that

978
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: you guys share in these episodes is so like, I

979
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: know it's been healing for you guys, but I mean,

980
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest, like we all kind of need

981
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: to go through the last few decades and figure out

982
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: what things have meant to us. And so like, you know,

983
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: we're kind of all having these conversations, especially millennials, kind

984
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: of looking back at our childhoods and dissecting things, and

985
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, you guys having this conversation. Yes, it's a

986
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: conversation about Boy meets World, but in a lot of ways,

987
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conversations about mental health that are

988
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: happening that I feel like are resonating in a different

989
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: way because of how you guys have embraced this podcast differently.

990
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: It's not just we're going to go through and talk

991
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: about the jokes. We're gonna actually open up about how

992
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: it made us feel at the same time, which has

993
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: been wonderful as a fan the here Danielle, you know,

994
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: it's so funny. You know what I was thinking about

995
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: one of the movies that you and I love to

996
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: defend and that's what it is. It's you're looking back

997
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: at a screen of your life, and I mean, that's

998
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: what we're doing. We're watching, boy, mean, we are living

999
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: defending your life. It hit me the other day where

1000
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: I was like, he's sitting in a chair and he's

1001
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: watching segments from his life and how he's turned into

1002
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: the person. How did he get to that chair. Well,

1003
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: he got to watch part of his life and do that.

1004
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: It's literally what we're doing. So it's it's one of

1005
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: the reasons that we love it so much, I think,

1006
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: and we didn't even realize, is that we you know,

1007
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: it would be think about how therapeutic could be for

1008
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: people if they all had the opera ttunity to look

1009
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: back at some of the most difficult years of their

1010
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: lives and watch it unfold and sit there and talk

1011
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: about it and how this made me feel. I mean

1012
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: it would be. It's so that's what we get an

1013
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: opportunity to do, and it's such a rare opportunity that

1014
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: we certainly wanted to make sure we weren't, like you said,

1015
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: just talking about the jokes or something like that. We

1016
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: wanted to to use it and and it. You know,

1017
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: it's hard sometimes, but it's fun. Okay. So on our show,

1018
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: we have this thing called the Superlatives where basically it's like, um,

1019
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: what is We'll start off with like what we call

1020
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: the honor roll. What are some of your favorite characters

1021
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: of this season? Like, who's your favorite character? We all

1022
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: can agree. I think we all can agree Norris as

1023
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: he is easily. He's so fantastic this season seedstealer, and

1024
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: I think he was too good, Like, yeah, I think

1025
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: that there's some truth to that. I think it was

1026
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: it had the right ran the risk of hijacking the show. Yeah,

1027
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: there's I don't think there is one mistake he made,

1028
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: one slip up, one moment I can look at in

1029
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: the season and say that could have been better, that

1030
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: could have been funnier. He is spot on every single

1031
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: time He has been an absolute standout for me this season.

1032
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: I have watched the entire show just constantly in awe

1033
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: of him. So I'm not kidding. I think they were afraid.

1034
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I think they were afraid that he would hijack the

1035
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: show from Cory. He's so entertaining and you could go

1036
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: so many different directions, Like you just when they put

1037
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: him in situations like the play or you know, when

1038
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: he goes on his drunken he's just like, he steals

1039
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: the scene, he steals the show, and you're just like, well,

1040
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: I just want to watch that kid, And I think

1041
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: that that's like that was a risk, you know, we

1042
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: it was. It was unbalancing to a degree because he

1043
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: was so talented. So what they should have done a spinoff?

1044
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have this theory for a spinoff

1045
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: where it's a flat back to Mr Feenie starting school

1046
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: as a teacher in the sixties and he falls in

1047
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: love and we've heard about his wife. You know, we

1048
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: talked about it. We had the same thing. Yeah, no,

1049
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: I got I got sick of hearing myself on the

1050
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: podcast say how do you look at Leon Norris and

1051
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: say that's the kid not coming back? Like I don't

1052
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: know how it's possible. So yeah, we're all in agreement.

1053
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: Who do you think has been the most improved actor

1054
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: as you've watched season the first season from start to finish,

1055
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: Will Yeah, yeah, i'd have to agree. So we're awkward

1056
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: in the beginning, awkward, but really your fault, man, you

1057
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: just no, no, no, it really isn't. They didn't know

1058
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: who your character was. They're still trying to figure it out.

1059
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: But your confidence level from those first couple of episodes

1060
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: to where you are when the season ended, and your

1061
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: ability to really um make defining choices when they even

1062
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: when they are only giving you stuff that's about girls. Definitely,

1063
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: from the beginning to the end, you are most improved.

1064
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: And I think maybe I would give Jay and Marsden

1065
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: level of credit to not just because he's Jayson, so

1066
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: he was so good because you don't know just his

1067
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: but also just his introduction as like you. Up until

1068
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: he came onto the show, you did not have a

1069
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: contemporary to bounce off of. You think about it, you're

1070
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: either dealing with people younger than you, like Ben And,

1071
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: or people older than you you know, like and and and.

1072
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: In both you were sort of on an Island on

1073
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: your own age wise, and so when they bring Jason

1074
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: in for that, you know, the Cathy Ireland episode, I

1075
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: think that's maybe something clicked in you and you started

1076
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: like even though those episodes are a little one off, yeah,

1077
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: but I think that you, you know, by the end

1078
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: of the season, you were given the chance to like

1079
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: figure your get comfortable and figure yourself out. Yeah. And

1080
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: I also think a great you know, in a sports analogy,

1081
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: a great player makes everyone around him better. So bringing

1082
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: Marsden in, who was so good and so talented, like

1083
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: just so confident, I think I did vibe off of

1084
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: that a little bit down. Yeah, I'll take I'll take

1085
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: most improved. I'll take that. Do you guys have a favorite?

1086
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: Like seeing our storyline from the season? I I I thought, frankly,

1087
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: just all the way around. I thought the Fugitive, the

1088
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: storyline of the fugitive and kind of cementing Sean and

1089
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: that whole episode. And again it was the thing that

1090
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: this podcast. One of the things that rewatching does for

1091
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: me is I thought, in my head, and I think

1092
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: we all did, the whole storyline was all Sean. But

1093
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: when you actually go back and watch it, it's really

1094
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: all Corey trying to hide Sean, but the but the

1095
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: storyline itself of really cementing the Sean character and the

1096
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: relationship between Corey and Sean. I thought the Fugitive was

1097
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: probably my favorite storyline of the first So also like

1098
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: a great Um, you know, it's one of the best

1099
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: uses of literature, you know, because there's always literature is

1100
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: always kind of shoehorned into boy in this world, but

1101
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: that one it made perfect sense. The telltale hard. Yeah,

1102
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: it's a good episode. I really like the plays, the thing,

1103
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: the the Shakespeare episodes because it's just fun, Like I

1104
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: just you know, watching it was fun. Making it was fun. Um,

1105
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: you have Bill Daniels doing Shakespeare, which is just great. Yeah,

1106
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: that was That was one of my favorites. I think

1107
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: my favorite part of parts of the show, and it's

1108
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: not an episode or even one particular thing, but I think, um,

1109
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: all the stuff that pertains with the parents relationships, the

1110
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: way their relationship develops and build and we see them

1111
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: um having conversations about how to parent and what they know,

1112
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: what they don't know, coming up with things on the fly,

1113
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: and then also being able to see them try to

1114
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: keep their marriage alive in the midst of having a

1115
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: family in a job. Like all the parent storylines were

1116
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: so impactful to me this season, and then with that

1117
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: related to what they're talking about, even with the fugitive

1118
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: is Um. The through line of Alan actually being the

1119
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: Sean of in his life is such a cool um

1120
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: twist And and I think we'll stick with me now

1121
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: as we continue to watch the show, whether or not

1122
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: it gets brought up again, if it doesn't happen until

1123
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: season six or whatever. In the back of my mind,

1124
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: I will now know that detail all about Alan and

1125
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: it will impact the way I see him in the

1126
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: family relationship. So that to me is my favorite. It

1127
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: does stick with you because when we watch stories with Alan,

1128
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: we're always like, we know how boy you throw can

1129
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: be with continuality, but like we're always like, how was

1130
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: this type of person like Alan growing up and being

1131
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: the type of Sean but also having a momb who

1132
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: wasn't always there. We know these things about Alan, so

1133
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: we're like, it kind of makes it influences how you

1134
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: see the decisions that he makes. Yeah, and also on

1135
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: how harsh he is on Sean for making mistakes like

1136
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: the drinking episodes, almost so much more harsh on him,

1137
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: as if he has a personal connection with that kind

1138
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: of story. See, these are things we don't even remember.

1139
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I was even in

1140
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: the drinking episode. So I can't wait to see it,

1141
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: to watch that for the first time ever. Um, So,

1142
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: least favorite episode? Do you have at least favorite episode

1143
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: from the season or a story? Yeah, It's a Wonderful

1144
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: Night or kid Gloves, either one of those Kid Gloves.

1145
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: I did not like Kid Gloves. I didn't mind it

1146
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: as much until we got into the rewatch and let

1147
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: will just rip it up, and I was like, it's bad.

1148
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: It's just bad birthday. They forgot ever mentioned again, just

1149
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: never mentioned again. Yeah, that would be mine. Yeah, same

1150
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: kid Gloves or It's a Wonderful Night, those two. And

1151
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that they were back to back episodes because

1152
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: it could end of the series, right, yeah, yeah, those two.

1153
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Neither one of them. I didn't. I mean we've again

1154
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: you've mentioned to continuity. Was not boy me thrilled, strong suit.

1155
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: But there were so many things that were just like,

1156
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: let's not worry about that, Like maybe they were really tired.

1157
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: It was the end of the season and they just

1158
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of gave up. But it feels like that. It

1159
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: feels like a group of people who went, you know what,

1160
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I can't think about it anymore. Let's just do it anyway.

1161
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: It works for the story, and that BOMs we get

1162
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: the graduate shop. Ye, good enough is what they were

1163
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: going with at that point. Yeah, so, um, would you

1164
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: guys be up for a quick lightning round of trivia? Yes? Yes, yeah, yes? Okay.

1165
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 1: So in season one and then only in season one,

1166
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: Shauna Topanga both claimed to have older sisters. We are

1167
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: their names. I told I told you will was gonna

1168
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: be granted. Keep okay, according to uh, you know a

1169
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: podcast that you had with Matt Lawrence, how many iguanas

1170
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: does he own? Twelve? Jesus seven twelve? It's correct, four

1171
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: he said. He said he was gonna he was gonna

1172
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: have twelve meals if he ever had to sell them. Ye.

1173
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: Writer Jeff Sherman revealed he was in the high school

1174
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: garage band with two Hollywood legends. Do you remember who

1175
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: they were? Yes, it was Shaun Cassidy and um Jamie

1176
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis. It's almost not fair to play this game.

1177
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: I told you everything, everything that has ever been said yes, okay,

1178
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: So multiple times this season, Corey says I'm blank boy.

1179
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: What boy? Was he not liad boy, risk boy, shallow

1180
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: boy or accomplsh boy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay. I cannot

1181
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: wait for you guys to review that one. The season

1182
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: one has twenty two episodes. How many features Danielle seven

1183
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: nine eight? IMDb has fourteen for data. You were also

1184
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: surprised because it feels as though I have a list

1185
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: of our episodes. So the first one was Cory's Alternative Friends.

1186
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to remember anyway, because I remember you

1187
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I wasn't in that episode finished. I

1188
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: think some of them are. You're just kind of in

1189
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: the background of the class, Like I say, one line fourteen,

1190
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said that many interesting. Um, and my

1191
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: last question for you guys is, uh, you know T

1192
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: J I F has a lot of great sitcoms, yours

1193
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: being included. Do you know which one has the record

1194
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: for longest running and since action Syndication? Uh? My, go ahead,

1195
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: I have a guess, but I'm I have a guess too,

1196
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: but I can't. Um, I would well do we wait?

1197
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: Is it? I mean it does full House count because

1198
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: it was on T g I f Technically, I think

1199
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: it's either Family Matters or Full House. God, I wouldn't

1200
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: know which one. I'm going to go with Perfect Strangers.

1201
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: I would say Perfect Strangers or Full House is going

1202
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 1: to be So I'll stick with Perfect Strangers because it's older. Again.

1203
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: According to the Google Machine, Boy Meets World has the

1204
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: record for being on air post its original air date

1205
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: the longest on network. That question question, but they said ours,

1206
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: including Yeah, no, that's great. I never would have picked ours. Wow, wow, No, no, never,

1207
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: never would have thought. No. Um, well that's that's all

1208
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: I have for trivia. Um. We're excited to hear Anthony

1209
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 1: Tyler Quinn on and also like going into season to

1210
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: like if you're able to track down Danny, Blake, Ethan Harley,

1211
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: Joey and Frankie, Like, there's there's such a treat coming

1212
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: into the second season. What if I tell you we

1213
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: have all of them booked again? You're like, yes, we

1214
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: we agree with you. All of those people are indelible

1215
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: and important and we have already booked all of them.

1216
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: We can't wait to have them on. I cannot tell

1217
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: you how fun this was. Beat. You guys are so amazing,

1218
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: so cool, I please check out bra meets World, check

1219
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: out their podcast, or listen to them. Support them. Um,

1220
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: I would love to have you guys back at the

1221
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: end of season two. This has to be a thing,

1222
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: literally and we'll drop everything. Okay, well, we're running it

1223
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: about a six month pace, so planning like Junior, that's

1224
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: mean the day of your wedding, we're going to have

1225
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: to record. I'll be there, don't I promise I'll be there.

1226
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: If if Danielle and writer will shut up, I could

1227
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: beat it could be. Thank you so much for for uh,

1228
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, gracing us with your time and doing this

1229
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: for us. We really appreciate it. Thank you guys so much.

1230
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: I was just sharing with um yesterday that in two

1231
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: thousand eleven I have posted something on Facebook that was like, hey,

1232
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: what's your favorite TV show or a cast from a

1233
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: TV show that you love? And I posted a picture

1234
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: of you guys, and I said in the in the caption, Um,

1235
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: this is my all time favorite show with my all

1236
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: time favorite cast. And I have a theory that for

1237
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: every lesson in life, there's a boy Meets World episode

1238
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: that corresponds. And if you don't agree, then you clearly

1239
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: have never seen the show. Clearly, it's just like a

1240
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: dream come true moment for for me and for seg

1241
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: and we're just really grateful to be here. Oh, thank

1242
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: you so much, grateful, Thank you guys, thank you. Thanks bye.

1243
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh man. That was cool. That was really cool. Isn't

1244
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: that cool? Fourteen episodes? I never thought that you did

1245
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: fourteen episodes? Yeah, me, neither. I mean I was like

1246
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: seven or eight whatever, I guess. Yeah, think, um, anything

1247
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about amongst the three of

1248
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: us before we sign off, Thoughts, feelings. Well, my feeling

1249
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: going into doing this podcast was that season one was

1250
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: the weakest of Boy Meats World. Um. That's what I

1251
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: would have said if somebody had asked me, you know

1252
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: that there's old Boy Meats World and New Boy Meats World.

1253
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: Now I feel exactly the opposite. Um. I just think

1254
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: that this season is still a very funny sitcom with

1255
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: um a great dramatic undercurrent. I think that the the

1256
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: life lessons factor, you know, coming from Feenie and Alan

1257
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: primary primarily in this season, really is well integrated. Because

1258
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: of Corey's age and because of all of our age

1259
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: is um and I think in later seasons it gets

1260
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: a little didactic, a little um condescending, um and to

1261
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: its audience in some way. That is my assumption. Again,

1262
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it, but I remember feeling like by

1263
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,479
Speaker 1: by the end of the show, it was a little

1264
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: heavy handed, and watching these early episodes, it's not because

1265
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: we're kids, UM. And I also think I'm going to

1266
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: get more and more uncomfortable watching the show as it

1267
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: goes on, because I can see myself as a child

1268
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: watching this first episode or first season, and I can

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01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: I can see Ben as such a child, all of

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: us as you know, we're just so young, Whereas I'm

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01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: going to start to look more and more like I

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: do now, and I'm going to start to feel more

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01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: like more and more uncomfortable in my own skin watching

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: the show. I have a feeling. So I really really

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: appreciated this first season UM. And I think it's it's

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: an incredibly well balanced show and UM yeah, I love it.

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: I think I think if anything, the show airs in

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01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: the times when it tries to be like other sitcoms,

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a wonderful night, when it's like

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01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: create a wacky situation. Um, those are those are the

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: episodes that fail for me. UM. When it has the heart.

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: It's really it's really good. Um yeah, I I agree.

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. I agree. I

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01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: honestly thought this was gonna be you know, wow, I'm

1285
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible. The show is terrible. We didn't find

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: our stride until like season three or four, And um,

1287
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: I I think exactly the opposite. I really do. I again,

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: I want to watch the future. Maybe in the future episodes,

1289
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: I'll be like, No, I was right. We we got

1290
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: better as we as actors were more comfortable, the comedies

1291
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: crisp more crisp, and so that may happen. But as

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01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: a show all the way around. Again, watching this for

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01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: the first time in so long and watching it as

1294
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: an adult, I watched the show differently than I ever

1295
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: had before. So seeing Betsy and Rusty and their chemistry

1296
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: and seeing Bill and just watching the show differently, Um,

1297
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: impacted me more than I thought it would. And then

1298
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, bringing up kind of a lot of the

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01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: personal stuff that we went through and talked about, and UM, yeah,

1300
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it is, as Daniel says, very therapeutic everything

1301
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: that we've been doing. Um, it's a weird balance of

1302
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: still wanting to do everything for our audience, but also

1303
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: wanting to do it for us because we're we're watching this,

1304
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this was our lives. This is something that

1305
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: is hugely important to us, and it's it's trying to

1306
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: walk that tight rope of we don't want to ruin

1307
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: anything for the fans, we don't want them to think

1308
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: we're not appreciative of what we're doing. But at the

1309
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: same time, we're looking back at our lives, and we're

1310
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: looking back at our lives and critiquing it. And that's,

1311
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: you know, always something that could be. It can be harsh,

1312
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: and it can be damaging, it can be healthy, it

1313
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: can be you know, we're kind of running the gamut

1314
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: of of all these emotions. So I had a great

1315
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: time doing it. I couldn't imagine doing it with anybody

1316
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: else other than the two of you. UM. That's certainly

1317
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: made it easier every step of the way. There's an

1318
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: instant security going into that UM and I'm looking forward

1319
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: to how uncomfortable we're all going to be moving forward,

1320
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: because I think you're right, writer, I think I think

1321
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: the deeper in we get, we are going to kind

1322
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: of there's gonna be some some stuff we're not gonna like. So, yeah,

1323
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be fun in the way that it's

1324
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: that we use that word fun, fun with also a

1325
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of unpacking exactly. Yeah. My my thing, UM that

1326
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: I loved so much about this season was that I

1327
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: loved the innocence of it. I loved the fact that

1328
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: it didn't feel so innocent that it felt like there

1329
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: were no real lessons or that it was so sugar

1330
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: coated that nobody was learning anything. Um. I really I

1331
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: felt like it was a real true coming of age

1332
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: full season where I learned a lot, I saw different perspectives,

1333
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: um and yet it didn't have to be all about

1334
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, boys and girls and blah blah blah. And

1335
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: I know just from remembering episodes we do in the

1336
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: future and you know, the season five, sixes and sevens,

1337
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: I know it it changes. So I have a fear

1338
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: that going into season two, some of what I love

1339
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: about season one is going to disappear. And I don't

1340
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: know to what extent, but I'm I'm a little nervous

1341
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: about that. Um. I absolutely had no idea going into

1342
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, even though we had talked about it,

1343
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: we had joked we had joked before we had even

1344
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: started about bringing a therapist on, and I thought, you know,

1345
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: funny stories, Um, funny idea. I really didn't know how

1346
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: much was gonna I didn't know how much was gonna

1347
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: come up for me, and how emotional I was going

1348
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: to be, even though I joke about being an emotional person. Um,

1349
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: I really think about it when we've had a couple

1350
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: of guests that both in some ways negatively have have

1351
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: made me emotional, and then in super positive ways, like

1352
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: talking to Lee and and and re establishing those conversations

1353
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: and hearing what his what it was like for him

1354
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: when he found out he wasn't going to be on

1355
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: the show anymore, and talking to Tony Quinn and and

1356
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: just I didn't know how many like I don't know.

1357
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: It seems silly to think that I couldn't know how

1358
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: important this first season was to my overall life story.

1359
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: But I'll be damned if there maybe is not a

1360
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: more important year of my life than than the year

1361
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: we just watched on the show. Um, I would venture

1362
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: to say nothing has impacted my life the same, with

1363
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: the exception of on a personal basis, having children, having children,

1364
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: and the first season of boy Meat's World, are the

1365
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: two most impactful moments of my life. Say the same thing,

1366
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah I would. I would say the same thing, but

1367
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: but having our children, because I don't have children, So yeah, yeah, better,

1368
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: I'd say the same thing with far more sleep. Yes,

1369
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,480
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but a little less joy

1370
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: from I think that's probably true. I think that's probably true. Well,

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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: I love you guys, um, I couldn't. It would be

1372
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: impossible for me to love you more. I love you

1373
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: more actually with every podcast episode. So um, thank you

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01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: all for joining us for season one of pod Meats World.

1375
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: We hope you've enjoyed it as much as we have,

1376
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: and I hope you've cried a little less than I have.

1377
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: Um uh, you will see us first season two. I

1378
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: can't believe it, but we will be back right in

1379
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: the new year with season two. We are not taking

1380
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: a hiatus. There's been a lot of questions about whether

1381
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: or not we're taking a break. We are not taking

1382
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: a break. We're rolling right into it, um and we

1383
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: can't wait. We're really looking forward to it. So as always,

1384
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: you can follow us on pod Meats World on Instagram

1385
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: pod Meats World Show. You can email us at pod

1386
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: Meats World Show at Gmail, and we have merch pod

1387
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: Meats World Show dot com, And uh, should we all

1388
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: say it this time? Sure? On the count of three, one, two, three,

1389
01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: we love you all. Pod Meets World is an iHeart

1390
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel Wilfred l and

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01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: Ryder Strong Executive producers, Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman, Executive

1392
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara

1393
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: suit Box producer, Jackie Rodriguez, engineer and Boy Meets World

1394
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle

1395
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: Morton of Typhoon. You can follow us on Instagram at

1396
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: pod Meats World Show or send us an email at

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: pod Meats World Show at gmail dot com.