1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: There was a hurricane that came and wiped out Augusta 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: and like power lines were down. I can't remember the 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: name of it, but they canceled that that Iron Man 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Half Iron and then essentially I was like, well, my 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: wife's going to the hospital next week. 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: I really ain't got no all the time. I'm just 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: gonna go do it myself. 8 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: So I literally did a seventy point three by myself 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: in South Florida. Uh, it was like September, so it 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: was probably heated next like one O two, one O 11 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: three and just got actually absolutely baked and it was. 12 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough. 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: What's up everybody, I'll Peanut Tillman and this is the 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: NFL Player's Second Act podcast and with me, as always 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: my trusty co host Roman, I smoke the bear harpor. 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, thank you appreciate it. Really looking 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 4: forward to this next guest that we have. Man, he's 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 4: been in a very entertaining running back in the league 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: for a long time and now he's doing different things 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: in his second career. I really want to get into 21 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 4: it and let him dive in share with us exactly 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 4: how he's been living out his dream second round running 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 4: back in the twenty thirteen NFL Draft. Played ten seasons, 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: played for the Bengals and the Bucks. Now he's in 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: the real estate and he is a photographer. Ladies and gentlemen, 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 4: please welcome to the pod GF I t but no, 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 4: I feel like we got to get like rule applause. Yeah, yeah, because. 28 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: We need to sign and. 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: Then it's just like like two people clapping, like your 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: bigger room. 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: It's a bigger room this time. Sometimes it gets really loud. Sorry, Geo, 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: it's just it's all we're going to be working on it. Well, 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 4: we'll put that in on YouTube, all right, we'll add 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: that in. 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: Well, welcome to the pod Man. How's life. 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: Life is good. It's been busy. I could, I could. 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: I could definitely say that it's been busy. 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people talk about, you know, 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: retirement and just so you know how you know, diff 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: to this, you know, go into that next chapter and 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: this and that. But to be honest, man, it's been 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: it's been busy, but it's been so much fun and 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: it's been so rewarding. 44 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff. 45 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we'll kind of get into it 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: a lot, but I've learned a lot a lot about. 47 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: Myself, to be honest, and it's just been a lot 48 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: of fun. 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 6: Man. 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed it, and I really appreciate you 51 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: guys having me on here. 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 5: Why has it been fun? 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: And tell me something interesting that you maybe have learned 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: about yourself in retirement. 55 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: So in December, my wife and I had twins. I 56 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: think when you add two to the already one that 57 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: we had, it creates, you know, some some different aspects that. 58 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: I didn't know they were both twins. I thought you 59 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 4: just had like some little babies. 60 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we had identical girl twins. They were 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: born early. It's there's it's a long kind of story, 62 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, the girls came. 63 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: You know, girls came early. They're healthy, they're growing, all 64 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: the markers are great. But it was a very rare 65 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: type of pregnancy. The type of twins that they were, 66 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: they're called mono mono twins. Essentially, they shared the same 67 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: sack and the same placenta from the mother, so there 68 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: was no real border in between them. So with that 69 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: being said, it's a high risk because the umbilical core 70 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: can get wrapped around either one of them. 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 5: Gotcha. 72 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: So my wife essentially spent ten weeks bed rest at 73 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: the hospital and I was just back with my son 74 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: at the time, and uh, just doing the thing. 75 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, just doing the thing. 76 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 5: Do you get them confused? 77 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: To be honest, every once in a while, I do. 78 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: But we have earrings to distinguish the two. So Kaya 79 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: has like little hearts on there, and then Shay she 80 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: has like little moons. 81 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 5: So I a reason I said that. 82 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: I was on my ig was doing some research this 83 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: morning and this this feed popped up and it was 84 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: parents getting their twins confused, and and it was most 85 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: of most of the time it was the dad. Yeah, 86 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: the dad couldn't tell who who was. 87 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: To be honest, it really don't matter at this stage, 88 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they really couldn't. 89 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 5: Tell who who was. 90 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: And then the boys he had there was these older 91 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: boys and they started missing with their dad, and it 92 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: was like, let's get them, and he did. 93 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 5: They came out and. 94 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: He goes. 95 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's cursing, he's looking, He's like, god, dang it, look, 96 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: I just need so and so to do to pick 97 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: up the trash and so and so do to leave. 98 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 5: What's somebody and they're like, well, which one is who dad? 99 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: And he's liked guys and they're probably like twelves and 100 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: they knew their dad couldn't tell them. 101 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, hopefully they can. 102 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: I've already gotten the mixed up that that's that's beside 103 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: the part. But as they get older, hopefully I can 104 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: find different signs on the both of them that says, Okay, 105 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: you were you and you were them and yeah, so 106 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. 107 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 4: I just think that's so cool, Like I'd actually never 108 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: heard of this mono mono. 109 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the rarest type of twins, and it's because 110 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: it's identical. Fraternal twins can can be hereditary, so you know, 111 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: passed down by jeans or all that, but identical twins 112 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: or by chance only so pure chance. And we had 113 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: the highest risk, lowest percentage of survival type of twins. 114 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: And they're healthy. That's so cool. A blessing. Yeah, I 115 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: just had the. 116 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 5: Blessings health blessing. I want a boy. 117 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: I want a girl. 118 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: Bro at the end of the day, because I had 119 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: a I had a daughter of some heart complication whatever. 120 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you just want healthy kids, 121 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: yeah or girl. 122 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 123 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 5: I want healthy kids. 124 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't mean interrupt you. But even before then, 125 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: last year we had lost one. So we lost his 126 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: name was Gabriel, and we lost him at twenty two weeks, 127 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: so my wife still had to kind of go through 128 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: the entire process. And that was a court accident, so 129 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: nothing that we did wrong, So it was just just 130 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: how it worked. And and now we got blessed with 131 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: two and do it. It's unbelievable this past you know, 132 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: really since I retired, what life has kind of been like, 133 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, And obviously I learned a lot about myself 134 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: when I say that in the sense of you know, 135 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: just having I'm big into my faith, just putting full 136 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: this let and go of control, because when you're playing, 137 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: you try to control everything you kind of you know, 138 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: you try to write, but there's some circumstances and some 139 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: times where you really just have to let go and 140 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: just let God kind of take, you know, take that 141 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: wheel and to just drive your life. And really this 142 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: past year has kind of been one of those moments 143 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: where I just let go and and he blessed us 144 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: with two additional you know, Yeah, it's just super thankful 145 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: that they're healthy, that they're doing their things, and yeah, yeah, 146 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: just super grateful. 147 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: That's probably one of the hardest things though, is when 148 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: you when you're dealing with something uh just uh in 149 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: a life event, a very serious life event, and. 150 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 5: You gotta let go for me. 151 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: I know, with my daughter, her her her health situation, 152 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: I don't know that nors. She she ended up having 153 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: a hard transplant after the whole thing. But you read 154 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: since day one, you're young and have faith, have faith, 155 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: have face, and you think you have faith until you 156 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: actually go through something. Then it's like, oh wow, I 157 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: really gotta I know I say it, but now I 158 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: really gotta practice it. And it was probably the hardest 159 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: thing I had to go through because I didn't have 160 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: any control over it. And big, strong, small, tall, physical. 161 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: You got money, you can, you think you can, you 162 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: can just do what you want to do because you 163 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: got money, and this was one of those situations where 164 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: you couldn't do nothing, and it's just like I just 165 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: gotta pray. Kind of feel a little helpless, but I 166 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: just got dropped to my knees start praying give it 167 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: to the Lord. It's yeah, I'm just saying I understand 168 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: it tests one hundred percent testament, so I know exactly 169 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: what you're going through, what you went through. 170 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, and to be honest, my wife is she's 171 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: really been you know, people talk about the man being 172 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: the leader of the family, this and that, but you know, 173 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that how my wife has 174 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: handled herself and to really still be the type of 175 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: person that she is has blown my mind. You know, 176 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: sometimes you don't really see your wife going through struggles 177 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: like that, you know, they you know, I'm not gonna 178 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: say like things are given to her this kind of stuff, 179 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: but you know, we never really had a big, you know, 180 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: moment like that as a as a you know, being 181 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: in a couple, and when something like that happens, you 182 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: have no idea which way it is going to go. 183 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: You can go left and go right. You you don't 184 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: really know. 185 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: But for us to have stayed the way that we did, 186 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: and for us to learn about each other the way 187 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: we did during that process, man, it was just yeah, 188 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. 189 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: And I've yeah, she's so. 190 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: If anything, that process would you say it brought you 191 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: and your wife closer together. 192 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: One hundred percent? 193 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: And you know, you know, people talk about regrets and 194 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: things like man, like, as much as I want Gabriel 195 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: to be here with us, I don't think we would 196 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: have had the twins if we didn't, And I don't 197 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: think my wife and I relationship would be as strong. 198 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Not that not saying that we were you know that 199 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: things were happening before, not at all like we were great, 200 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: But I think you reach a different level when you 201 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: go through a life event like that. Absolutely, you know 202 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: what I mean, And you know, yeah, So it's just 203 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: kind of one of those things, like I just we 204 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: saw a different side of each other and we leaned 205 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: on each other, and that's what you want a relationship. 206 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: Right Well, I want to say this, man, it's a 207 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: blessing here both you guys sharing that story again personally 208 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: from somebody or that has not had to go through 209 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 4: a tragic moment like that for any man. It's just, 210 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: you know, it's just what what God has for all 211 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: of us for us, and you really don't get to 212 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: pick and choose on your own. And so I'm gonna 213 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 4: switch gears a little bit and try and get talk 214 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 4: about a little bit about your career. 215 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 5: You know, we all have these moments. 216 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: You've talked about a few moments that you shared with 217 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: us in your post post retirement career. But I want 218 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: to go back to your NFL career. What was your 219 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 4: first welcome to the NFL moment? 220 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: My rookie year, we had Vonte's perfect you know, we 221 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: had Raymond Luga, we had Taylor Mays, we had Reggie Nelson, 222 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: we had James Harrison was on our team at the time. 223 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: We had Carlos and tons of guys on the defensive 224 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: side of the ball. 225 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: And when I was. 226 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: In college, you know, you're coming out like you're running back. 227 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: Nobody really trying to tackle you. In practice, you know, 228 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: they kind of keep it easy whatever, and especially when 229 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: you have uppers on right, you just have uppers, no lowers, 230 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: and you know. 231 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 5: And you're also the main man in North Carolina. 232 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so nobody say right, everybody off. So it was 233 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: just tagging off right. So that's kind of what I expected. 234 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: It was like third day, you know, when you can 235 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: start putting pads on. So we just did uppers only 236 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: that day. And I'll never forget, man, I went through 237 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: that line smooth, broke through that, you know, got got 238 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: off to the secondary. 239 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: Georgia I Loca. 240 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: He's from Boise State, he was uh second year guy 241 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: at the time, came up and just put that shoulder right. 242 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: In my chest. 243 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: He was the safety went down, and then it was 244 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, everybody's gonna tag off on g today, right. 245 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: That was early in practice. 246 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: Vante has hit me later on in practice, and then 247 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: I got hit by somebody else later on in practice. 248 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: After practice, Marvin Lewis called everybody up and put his 249 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: arms He said, Jill, come here, put his arms around 250 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: me in the middle. 251 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: Of the huddle. Said this is our guy. We don't 252 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: want to hurt him. You know how. You know how 253 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: soft I felt. 254 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: Bro. 255 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: He took me so much time problem from me by 256 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: saying that you could have left me in the back. 257 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: Don't even say nothing. Don't bring me up in front 258 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: of everybody. I'm a rookie. Oh come on, man, so man. 259 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: Ever, since that day, every time I put the helmet on, 260 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: as long as we got a helmet on. 261 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: It's full contact to me. 262 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean. 263 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: So I learned a lot from that little moment, but 264 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: I'll never forget somebody just bringing somebody up in the 265 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: middle of the entirety hard knocks was honest too. So 266 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: that was on it too, so and then you put 267 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: the arms around me saying, hey man, hey fellas, this 268 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: is our guy. We don't want to hurt them, right, 269 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: we want to take care of our own. I'm just like, goodness, gracious, man, 270 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: don't do that to me. So that was my welcome 271 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: to the NFL. 272 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: It was the hardest hit you took practice and practice, Okay, 273 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: hardest one, hardest one. 274 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 5: What about game one? 275 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to say. 276 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: He was just like, yeah, dad, coach, I don't even 277 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: want the ball no more. He got me too good. 278 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know I had one in uh. 279 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: It was a wild card game in twenty fifteen where 280 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Shazier hit me and I was knocked out. But you know, 281 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: when you get knoed out, you don't really know what 282 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: you don't feel. Not yes, everybody said, I just got 283 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: knocked out. 284 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: I woke up. 285 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm cool, right, But as far as like hits like that, 286 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: you you know, you kind of have to stumble off 287 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: the fields, you know, or they call time out. You 288 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: have to they have to come get you. I was 289 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: playing against the Colts and it was a swing route 290 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: and Vante Davis and I had worked out with him 291 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: and you know, obviously all the stuff that has happened. 292 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: I've worked out with him down here. He was a 293 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: Miami guy and we would work out quite a bit, 294 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm playing against him, so you know, 295 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: we met each other before the game that I just 296 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: chopping it up whatever. I had a swing route, you know, 297 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: a little swing route till left him. It was covered too. 298 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: He was just chilling there and he didn't see him. 299 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: It is what it is, got me right, and it 300 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: was like one of those Reggie busheads, you know. 301 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was kind of like that. I was that 302 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 5: the same effect was. 303 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: The ground, the roll on the ground. But you know 304 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: how it hurt me right. 305 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: So I got up, went to the sidline because it 306 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: was definitely they had to come get me. I got 307 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: off to the sideline. I came back. It was a 308 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: third down play that was on first down, miss second down. 309 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Came back for the third down play, same type of play. 310 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: It was more of a checkdown this time sat like 311 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: a played route, same type of hit, same location, same person. 312 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: And I was like, come on, man, I just laid there. 313 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: I can't do nothing. So that was it. 314 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: So going into this uh wild card game, let's let's go, 315 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: let's go back to that. What was what was one 316 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: of the memories you take away from that game? Well, 317 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: because it was it was a back and forth like. 318 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think part of it too, is like 319 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: we played Pittsburgh later on in the season that year 320 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: and it was like a little screen pass to myself 321 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: and it got intercepted by somebody and then Andy tried 322 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: to make a tackle on that play and mess his 323 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: thumb up. So we were hoping that he would be 324 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: ready for this wildcard game, but he wasn't. Aj McCarron 325 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: had a step in and play and he played well. Right, 326 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: We just dropped the ball with how we reacted to 327 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: certain situations in the game. It is what it is. 328 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: I was knocked out by you know, third quarter, so 329 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: I was already out. But you know, it's just that's 330 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: part of it, man, Like you know, certain teams that 331 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: don't necessarily make it every year, and that was kind 332 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: of one of the years where we've had the teams 333 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: we've been in the wildcards. We have, we have the 334 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: players to do it. It was just we weren't experienced 335 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: enough to go deep into the playoffs, or we haven't 336 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: had the experience of going deep in the playoffs to 337 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: really understand what it takes to win that first wildcard game. 338 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: So it is what it is, man, A lot of 339 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: people learn a lot of things, and yeah, it's part 340 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: of the game. 341 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: When you first got into the league, all right, your 342 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 4: first three years, you go for over a thousand yards 343 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: in each year seasons, first three seasons. I mean at 344 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: that point, was it NFL easy? Like, how do you 345 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: expect the rest of your career to kind of go 346 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: after that? I'm sure we're having that much success early. 347 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: I've always been the type of person I've never had 348 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: fun playing. 349 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: I was always just like I gotta get it, simple 350 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: as that, Like, ain't none to it, especially growing up 351 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: down here, Like it's fun to play the game, but 352 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, there's parents, and there's coaches, 353 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: there's fans betting known you know, six year olds. 354 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a. 355 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: Real thing, right, So for me, it was all about, like, 356 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: you got a ball and that's that's it, right. And 357 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: so for you know, those first three years that I 358 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: was doing my job right, and I and I felt 359 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: that I never I never really appreciated doing the job. 360 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: I just did it because that was that was second nature, 361 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: whether good or bad, what it is, what it. 362 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 5: Is, you never stop them, no, like now I do. 363 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: Now I think about it, I'm like, I was kind 364 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: of decent, you know what I mean, right, And to 365 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: be honest, like, you know, it was kind of part 366 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: of the later career when I spent a couple of 367 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: years in Tampa. Some of those memories were some of 368 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: my most favorite because I was it was I didn't 369 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: care about the yards. I didn't care about the tds 370 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: man like, I didn't care about any of that. I 371 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: was just I just want to go out and have fun, 372 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: play ball, right. And I remember there was a game 373 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: against the Dolphins. It was my first year in Tampa, 374 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: and I had messed up my knee, got some MCL thing, 375 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: and I came back that game, missed one game, came 376 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: back that game and my first play was a third 377 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe third and six, and you know, 378 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: I come in. They expected some you know, some route 379 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: from the running back. Right, I ran a choice. It 380 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: was in the goal line against Miami, and I was 381 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: able to score. And that touchdown was probably my most 382 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: favorite touchdown that I've ever had in my entire football career. 383 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: And it wasn't because Okay, I scored. It was because 384 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: the fact that I missed the game and the fact 385 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: that I enjoyed coming back that I just just took 386 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: in the moment and then I was just I was 387 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: able to earn my spot in a way. 388 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 5: I don't know. 389 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: It was weird, but I enjoyed that moment and that 390 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: was probably one of my most memorable touchdowns. 391 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: To be honest, What was it like being in Cincinnati 392 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: and you guys were rolling, like, y'all, you guys are winning, 393 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: but you just can't get over that at the Wild 394 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: Card That must be terrible. 395 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it was. 396 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: It was tough, and you know, it's one of those 397 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: things like we always had the players to do it 398 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: always we we just never understood And I think that 399 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: comes from the experience of playing in the in the playoffs, right, 400 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: like having that experience, having having some guys that come in, 401 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: whether you know, you know, trades, whatever it may be, 402 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: some guys that have had that experience to play what 403 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: does it take, right, We just didn't. We didn't know 404 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: most of the guys that were you know that I 405 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: was with those guys that we were all drafted by Cincy. 406 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: We were all there, right, So we never just had 407 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: that experience, but we always had the you know, the 408 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: caliber team to be able to do it. We just, 409 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, lose our cool whatever it is. 410 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 2: I don't know. 411 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 4: I want to talk about the timing of your career too, 412 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 4: maybe like when I put it all together, because I 413 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: don't think I realized this about you, geo. Was that 414 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 4: so twenty twenty was it your last year with the Bengals? 415 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: Yep? 416 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: And you guys didn't go to the playoffs that year? Now, 417 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 5: reach right, So that was the same year that the 418 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: Bucks won the Super Bowl? 419 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: Correct? 420 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 5: All right? 421 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: Then you go to tell me that. 422 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 5: You go to the. 423 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 4: Bucks and twenty twenty one was the first year yep, 424 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: and then won the Wild But the Bengals went to 425 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl that year versus the Ram. 426 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: For sure, for sure? 427 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 5: All right? 428 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: And then all right, but it was the one season 429 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 4: where you played you actually did win a playoff. 430 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 5: Game, yea. 431 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was good, yeah for sure? 432 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: And I think if if that game hadn't happened versus 433 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: the Eagles, that Wildcard game, because uh, Lenny was like 434 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: the main guy, but he wasn't playing that game. So 435 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: to be honest, a lot of the guys weren't. But 436 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: I think everybody was like, all right, we'll just wait, 437 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: because they they knew the type of team that they were, 438 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, we'll just wait to the second game. 439 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: We'll just wait, you know, so we'll just miss this 440 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: wildcard game, y'all. Y'all good, Yeah, y'all. Replacements just handled 441 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: that real quick. I felt like I had a decent game, 442 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: has a couple of you know, a couple of catches, 443 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: a couple of carriers, whatever, and we ended up winning 444 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: that game. And that was my first playoff win, right, 445 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: and since he obviously went to the super Bowl and 446 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: did what they did, and yeah, and like it was 447 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: weird because I didn't. I didn't really feel like I 448 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: missed out. I didn't like I enjoyed my because again 449 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: I was telling this, like I enjoyed myself so much 450 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: that year because I just took a different approach to 451 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: the game, Like my mind was just it was somewhere else. 452 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, I just really enjoyed that year. 453 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: And I was able to make some really good friendships 454 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: on that team, really good people over there. Yeah, man, 455 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: I you know, I've always been the type of person 456 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: you make a decision. 457 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: You live with it. It is what it is. Forget 458 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: about everything else. 459 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and we'll be 460 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: back in a minute. I want to get into the 461 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 3: your second act. Yeah right, so you're done playing football, 462 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: You're in the second act, you're in retirement. How did 463 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: you get into photography? Yeah, so I will say I've 464 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 3: seen I've seen some of your pictures. 465 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 466 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, really don't done much lately with photography. 467 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 5: Your visit, bro, there's plenty of that. 468 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 6: But. 469 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: It's so yeah, to be honest, the photography thing kind 470 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: of started like way back when, in like twenty sixteen, 471 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: I tore my a c on Cincy, and you know, 472 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I got to get out the house. 473 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: You know, I've already done like my rehab whatever, and 474 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm done for the day. I don't really 475 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: flexing in on meetings, and so I just, you know, 476 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: I picked up a camera. That's when Instagram and social 477 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: media was kind of you know, just jumping off at 478 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: that time. 479 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: And I take photos whatever. 480 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: And my wife, you know, my wife's beautiful and I 481 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: love taking photos of her, and so she became, you know, 482 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: like my little muse. And I would just take photos 483 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: of her, and it was wondering. 484 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: I thought that. 485 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 6: Was Yeah, yeah, I just figured it was because like 486 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 6: it's the same woman's boot. 487 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: I'm just good. 488 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: I was. 489 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: She's a natural, don't way and stuff like that. 490 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, so she, you know, she she became that person, 491 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, eventually I started just ended up 492 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: just doing like, you know, I did the maternity photos, 493 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: I did our engagement photos. I did you know, the 494 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: kids photos and stuff like that, and it just became fun. 495 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: I pick it up every once in a while. I 496 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: don't really have the time now, but what I do 497 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: have the time for is cycling. Like I've really actually 498 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: picked up on cycling and running and just endurance sports. 499 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: That's kind of to be honest, I really feel like 500 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: that's my second act more. 501 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: So than photography. 502 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 503 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: Get yeah. 504 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: So when I retired from Tampa, it was about we 505 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: just had exit meetings and it was like one or 506 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: two and I knew I was done. I was like, 507 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm done, Like I walked off that field. I was like, 508 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: I already know I'm done. So that next day, after 509 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: the exit meetings, I got back home, I was like, 510 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see how far I can run. And 511 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: we was in Tampa, close to Bay Shore, and I 512 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: was like, I'm just going to see. I ran like 513 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: a mile and a half. My back was all tight, 514 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: my legs were just oh man, it was brutal, but 515 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: there was something in me that said, oh okay, let's 516 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: try to get better, right, So I just picked it 517 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: up and I just would try to go further and 518 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: further and further, and then I would reach a point 519 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: that all right, let me see how fast I could 520 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: do you know, three four miles or whatever. I would 521 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: just do that, and then long story short, I would 522 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: just wake up early at five o'clock and I wo 523 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: just did that for like a good year. While I 524 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: was running down here in South Florida on a one A, 525 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: I met this. I ran into this guy. His name's Mike, 526 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: and he was an iron man guy, right, he did 527 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: you know that swim cycle, brun kind of guy. And 528 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: he was like, man, like you rolling like you could? 529 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: You could pick it up right? And I'm like, hey, 530 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: you know, I used to play ball that. So we 531 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: just started chopping. We started running together, and then he 532 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: was like he should just get a bike, right, just. 533 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: Let's get a get a road bike. All right, I go, 534 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: you know, go drop you know a couple. 535 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 5: Couple. 536 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's start. 537 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll go pick up a bike, you know whatever. 538 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go pick up a bike. 539 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: And then we went you know, I did my own 540 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: little thing, and I went thirty miles. Like on the 541 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: first day he texted me, I was like, why would 542 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: you ever ride your bike thirty Like how'd you feel? 543 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: I was like so fine? And yeah. 544 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: Then it just kind of progressed into this thing of 545 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: well you should might as well just try swimming, Like see, 546 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: see how you did know how to swim before. No, 547 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, I knew how to swim, but 548 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: like not no lap, got no much nothing in like. 549 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, I'm. 550 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: Gonna say, I'm gonna sit right here with my drinking 551 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, I'm not going drowned. I'm not. 552 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be growing. 553 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 5: Up down here. 554 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 2: You gotta be I you know, you gotta be an 555 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: eye swimmer. 556 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: So so yeah, so I went into you know, a 557 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: little swimming hall of Fame in Lauderdale and did like 558 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: a you know, a fifty and like, dude, I was 559 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: it was it was it was brutal. It was impossible 560 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: I was like, people do this for like a mile, 561 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: they do this for two miles like crazy. So again, 562 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: you know, that mentality just kind of picked up and 563 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: just got better at it, and you know, I ended 564 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: up hiring a coach because I wanted to do this 565 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: seventy point three in Georgia. And this was this was 566 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: when I I wanted to do this one specifically because 567 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: it was prior to my wife having to go to 568 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: the hospital for the twins. 569 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: So I had to do it. 570 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: That was the only date that I had, So I 571 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: had like nine weeks to learn how to swim, you know, 572 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: really run long distance and then bike and you know 573 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: that whole thing. There was a hurricane that came and 574 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: wiped out Augusta and like power lines were down. I 575 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: can't remember the name of it, but they canceled that 576 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: that Iron Man Half Iron and then essentially I was like, well, 577 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: I was going to the hospital next week. I really 578 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: got all the time, I'm just gonna do it. I'm 579 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: just gonna go do it myself. So I literally did 580 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: a seventy point three by myself in South Florida. Uh, 581 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: it was like September, so it was probably heated. Next 582 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: like one O two, one, O three and just got 583 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: actually absolutely baked and it was Yeah, it was tough, 584 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: but I did. 585 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 5: So where did you do the swimming at? 586 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: You did the swimm So I did at the Swimming 587 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and biked my bike there. 588 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 5: Then you both yep. 589 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: And then once I got back, my wife was like 590 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: she would meet me at these little checkpoints and uh, 591 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: when I started my run, she would drove next to 592 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: me on the golf cart, you know, whether handed me 593 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: water or whatever. And then essentially I just ran back 594 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: home and yeah, that was it. So that's awesome like that, 595 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: that is a lot of people want to do that. No, 596 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: not by themselves, iron man, by yourself. Is so I 597 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: hold on that you had. 598 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 5: Your wife there committed. 599 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean shut out, shut out the wife. 600 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: You hold them down. 601 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 5: So good. 602 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: You said something before you talked about your man. I 603 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 4: think it's important. Well I wanted to hear is that 604 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: you like I knew I was done? 605 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 606 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 5: Was ten years? Was that always a goal? Because it's nice? 607 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, because for me somebody told me, like, you know, 608 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 4: you could play nine ten years, like if you keep 609 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: your head on right. 610 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 5: So for me, it was like, okay, ten years is 611 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 5: what's up? 612 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that was just the goal. 613 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 5: For one ten. 614 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, then I get out of it. Like every year 615 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: after that was just like a It was like it 616 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: was a bonus. Yeah, But ten just sounds. 617 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, to be honest, I really do feel 618 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: ten one ten sounded nice. Like, you know, I didn't. 619 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: I didn't want to try to scrap for another two 620 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: or whatever. 621 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: Maybe't. I didn't want to do that. 622 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: Like I had other passions outside of football that I 623 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: really just really wanted to go after, right, And like 624 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that for me growing 625 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: up or in the earlier parts of my career, I 626 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: was always excited for what life looked like post ball. 627 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 2: I just was excited about it. 628 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I understood like I had to do what I had 629 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: to do, Like I get all that, but I was 630 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: excited for all of the fruits and of all the 631 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: stuff that I've done, whether that was pee wee football, 632 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: high school, whatever. I was excited to, you know, hopefully 633 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: experience that once I retired, and thankfully enough, man, I 634 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: got ten out of it, and I was like, I'm cool, 635 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home, you know what I mean, Like 636 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm good and you know, I enjoyed you know, I 637 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed being around around my people's and my little one 638 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: was at the time where I enjoyed like spending the 639 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: time with him. I would takehim. He's like my little partner. 640 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: I would just take him everywhere. Right, So just truly 641 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: enjoyed that that and it wasn't it really wasn't a 642 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: hard decision for me at all. 643 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: Like I was like, I'm good. 644 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: So I know you're into real estate. I've dabbled into 645 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: it a little bit, but I just it doesn't interest me. 646 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: It's kind of slow and I don't want to say boring, 647 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 3: it just doesn't Yeah, I like the end result, Like I. 648 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 5: Can go in, I see the house, but I don't 649 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: have that vision. 650 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: I can't be like, oh, you know, we can tear 651 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: this out and knock a wall down. Are you a 652 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: guy that does that? Because I know you're in real 653 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: estate now, right, Yeah. Yeah, you knew everything from the 654 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: rehab from start to finish. 655 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: Essentially the way I've kind of thought of it. I 656 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: remember in twenty fourteen, so this is my second year, 657 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: my brother told me about like yeah, he's like, yeah, 658 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: people are doing this thing called house hacking, Like they 659 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, they live on one side, they rent out 660 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: the other with multi families. 661 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: I was like, whatever it does, I wasn't paying any 662 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: of mine. 663 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: Later that off season twenty fourteen, I bought my first 664 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: investment property. 665 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: I bought a duplex like down the street from my spot. Right. 666 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: I got a rent check for like m'd have been 667 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: like twenty one hundred dollars. I was that was the 668 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: greatest rent check I've That was the greatest check that 669 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I've ever received. And I became hooked them. And to 670 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: be honest, I've just kind of grown and I've learned, 671 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: and that's what I would do, like all my off time. 672 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: I would just like look up properties and in South 673 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: Florida and just look up multi family units and see 674 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: what I like, see what I don't like, areas that 675 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: I like, areas that I don't like. And I became 676 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: familiar with, uh, you know, just things that will rent well. 677 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: So I typically try not to go after the you know, 678 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: the the really dumpy spot that you can you know, 679 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: renovate and do you know add cost to it all 680 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I try to just find a 681 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: good enough property in a great area, just like anything. Location, location, location, 682 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: and just been able to build, you know, build my 683 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: portfolio that way. So I to be honest, I haven't 684 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: really except for one. I bought all of them while 685 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: I was playing. They're all paid for and it just 686 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: comes in and I don't really think about it. A 687 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: hire a property management company to oversee the data to 688 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: day because. 689 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to call about toilets. 690 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 5: So I don't blame you, dude. 691 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: I got time for that. 692 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: So you know what, they handle that, and you know, 693 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: they just you know, we'll talk every once in a 694 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: while about you know, hey this happened, Hey, we got 695 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: to do this, this and that and yeah, and then 696 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: we acquired our first one out of the state in 697 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: Colorado and we've actually used that one for ourselves, and yeah, 698 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun to really just kind 699 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: of build that portfolio. 700 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 5: That's so cool. I saw in your ig that you 701 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 5: and your wife got baptized together. 702 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, day before was this the wedding? 703 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 5: Sorry no, oh, it was before the wedding. 704 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, day before the wedding. 705 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 4: Yeahh okay, tell me about it because it looked really cold. 706 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we were so my wife's a flight attendant. 707 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: She works for Delta. She's been a flight attendant for 708 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: thirteen thirteen years now, and she it was funny we 709 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: had this conversation. She says, I've been working. I've been 710 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, working professionally longer than you have, like come on, 711 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, trying to be late that. So yeah, so 712 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: she's been a fight center for Delta for you know, 713 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: thirteen years. And so one of the perks with Delta 714 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: is that you can fly for free, right, so we 715 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: would just hop whatever flight that looks good and stand by, right, 716 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: there's nobody on the flight, we would just go. 717 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: So we did. 718 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: We would do like three day, three day trips to 719 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: Paris like during no like during OTA's Like if you know, 720 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: you get done with practice on Friday, hop on that flight. 721 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: You know, da da da, we have Monday off or whatever. 722 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: Come back you're good, like you just had, you know, 723 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: we did Valentine's Day. We literally just went to Paris 724 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: for a dinner, came back. We flew first class and 725 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: we had to pay nothing but in international taxi, which 726 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: is like one hundred dollars. So I always we've always 727 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: enjoyed doing that. Right then there was time, you know, 728 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: I spent I enjoyed myself a little bit. I'm not 729 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: gonna say I didn't, but I ended up buying a car, 730 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: a Porsche and BEF pre Covid. They did this thing 731 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: called the European Delivery. Different brands do it and where 732 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: you can go to the factory where the car is 733 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: built and you could drive your car around the area wherever, 734 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: bring it back to them. They'll ship it back to 735 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: the US three for free. So we did that. So 736 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: we went to Germany. It's too We went to Stuttgart, 737 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: picked up the Porsche, drove it to Italy, spent a 738 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: week in Italy, and we went we drove to Como. 739 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: We stayed in Como, and we had just gotten engaged 740 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: that trip, and so the trip was really about the 741 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: car and not the engagement. 742 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: But I'm just kidding. 743 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 5: It's all good. 744 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, so, and a long story short, ended up 745 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: just deciding on doing having our our wedding there. We 746 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: did a fifty person wedding rented out to villas side 747 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: by side. Especially paid for everybody for two nights to 748 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: be there. A lot of people made trips out of it. Yeah, 749 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: it was beautiful, and you know, we obviously got baptized. 750 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: The day before the wedding and the day of the wedding, 751 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: it was absolutely beautiful. It was like fifty fifties, upper fifties. Yeah, 752 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: it was just beautiful, man, And it looked beautiful. Yeah, 753 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: it was awesome. 754 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. Yeah. 755 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: So we asked all of our guests this question. Rushmore, 756 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: you get four picks of people that have had some 757 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: type of a positive influence on you and helped you 758 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: become the man you are today. 759 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: Outside of family. No, it can be anything, gotcha. 760 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 5: It could be anything. Anybody. 761 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: This is your personal mount Rushmore. You get four picks. Okay, 762 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: if you could put those four people on the mountain, 763 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: who would they be. 764 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: Obviously, I'll combine everybody because I got a lot of people. 765 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: I'll combine everybody like family wise, like you know, I'll 766 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: give my slot, you know, my wife for own slot. 767 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: So that's that's one. But my family obviously, like my brother, 768 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: my dad, those are two individuals that you know, they 769 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: took care of me and my mom passing away when 770 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I was younger. 771 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: That was huge. 772 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: And those are the two individuals that you know, they 773 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: they just did things that I just until now I 774 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: never really saw. So that's that Chris Carter is one 775 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: of those individuals. I played little league football with his son. 776 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: He was my coach, and you know he ended up 777 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: playing high school ball with his son. 778 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 5: Like the one that only catches touched down. 779 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, coach called it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 780 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: He was an instrumental in my football career for sure, 781 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: into just you know, getting to where I am deciding 782 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: to go to Saint Thomas, uh, deciding to do this, 783 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: deciding to do that. And he helped out our family 784 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: quite a bit. And he didn't have to. You know, 785 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: he didn't have to. He was still playing at the time, 786 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: so he didn't have to do any of that. 787 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: Obviously. 788 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big faith person, so God obviously, 789 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: like he's one of those individuals with you know, ultimate power. 790 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I've learned to just let everything go 791 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: and and and I'm grateful for that. 792 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 4: Man. 793 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I've this retirement journey has been what 794 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: it has because I've learned a lot about myself that 795 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: I never knew while I was playing. So I got 796 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: a team, chaplain. He's now with the Carolina Panthers. 797 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 6: UH. 798 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: Lamor's Crawford and his family I still you know have 799 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I literally just got off the phone with him. Every 800 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: week every Wednesday we do a call at ten am 801 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: just to catch up, talk about life. But him and 802 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: his family, him and Meg, his wife. They were huge 803 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: into my journey to becoming a man. And they were 804 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: the ones that baptize us in Incomo. And yeah, their 805 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: family means a lot to our family. 806 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 2: And yeah, so solid pig Man, good job, Geo. 807 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 5: Appreciate you. I will say this, man, I appreciate you. 808 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 6: Man. 809 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: A lot of times we talked to some guys and 810 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 4: they talk about the struggle here and the understanding of 811 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 4: this journey in their second chapter. And man, I'll be honest, dude, 812 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 4: you're flourishing. You walk around with a great smile. You 813 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 4: have an amazing attitude. It's infections. God has continued to 814 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: bless and shine on you and you you can tell. Yeah, 815 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 4: and I really really love what I see out of you. 816 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 4: This is my first time I've got to meet you personally. 817 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 5: I've seen you. 818 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen your career for a far and my 819 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: boy Trey Boston would always talk about you as well. 820 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 5: So, uh, dude, Trivion, you keep doing your thing. 821 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 4: Man, you you were going to continue to crush life. 822 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 5: Man, you are, You're doing great job. 823 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Man, Thank you guys, thanks for having 824 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 2: me on. It's been awesome man, no doubt. 825 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 5: Man, apologies, we were late. It was listen, I want 826 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 5: to go to casino. Yeah, our driver take us to 827 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 5: the hard rock so that it was a little late. 828 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, well we're gonna get out of here. Man 829 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 4: where we should pick up your podcast? That with his 830 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 4: Apple Apple Podcasts are our radio app. Make sure you 831 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 4: continue to give us a like, subscribe, follow, leave a 832 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: couple of comments, and you can also check us out 833 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 4: on the NFL pages YouTube channel. 834 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: I'm Peanut, this is Roman, that's Joe, and this is 835 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: the NFL Player's second XT podcast. 836 00:35:42,080 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 2: We out