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Speaker 2: Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for choosing us every single week
Speaker 2: to become happier, healthier, and more healed. You know, my
Speaker 2: goals just to sit down with fascinating people, learn about
Speaker 2: their stories, their journeys, their challenges, so that we can
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Speaker 2: life that help us along the way. I've found that
Speaker 2: studying people's lives and studying people's stories has helped me
Speaker 2: so much in my own life, and I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: through on Purpose, we can do that together. Today's guest
Speaker 2: is someone that I've never had the joy of sitting
Speaker 2: down with one on one on the show, So I'm very,
Speaker 2: very excited to invite the superstar crown the reigning Queen
Speaker 2: of TikTok by The New York Times, Charlie Demilio one
Speaker 2: of the first on the platform to hit over one
Speaker 2: hundred million followers and is the current leading female TikTok creator,
Speaker 2: now one of the most recognizable faces online, in print,
Speaker 2: and on screen with our families Hulu docu series The
Speaker 2: Demilio Show in May of twenty twenty one, and Charlie
Speaker 2: and Dixie launched their own clothing brands social tourist. Charlie
Speaker 2: recently starred in Prada's global ad campaign at the end
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, and in June of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: Charlie launched her first ever Fragrance venture Born Dreamer alongside
Speaker 2: her family. In May of twenty twenty three, they launched
Speaker 2: Damelio foot where, under Demelio Brands, Charlie's influence on social
Speaker 2: media's and her coveted spots on all the major lists.
Speaker 2: And I want to welcome to the show, Charlie Demilio. Charlie,
Speaker 2: thank you for doing this. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been really looking forward to this because I
Speaker 2: want to say this to you, because I don't think
Speaker 2: I've ever talked about this with you, but you come
Speaker 2: up in more conversations or when I'm doing keynotes on stages,
Speaker 2: and it's really funny because I kind of think of
Speaker 2: you randomly and often I want to share this to you.
Speaker 2: I've never said this to you, and it comes up
Speaker 2: because I have watched your journey from Afar as everyone
Speaker 2: has for such a long time, and I've really deeply
Speaker 2: admired just how phenomenally skilled old you are at what
Speaker 2: you do. I think you're a phenomenal dancer. You're an
Speaker 2: incredible performer, and if I'm ever presenting or talking to
Speaker 2: anyone about social media or digital or whatever is, I
Speaker 2: always bring your name up because I think you're one
Speaker 2: of those people that obviously got your moment on TikTok
Speaker 2: when it took off and everything, but I feel like
Speaker 2: there were just years and years of practice and hard
Speaker 2: work that went behind it that we don't always see.
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to share that with you as
Speaker 2: we kick off today that I think it's incredible and
Speaker 2: I think you've been practicing for this life that you
Speaker 2: live since you were like four years old, and so
Speaker 2: I always try and highlight that, and so I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think of you in that context often.
Speaker 1: And so no, thank you, I mean I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to social media, it's very
Speaker 1: easy to get on yourself and say it was just luck.
Speaker 1: But to hear that from someone like you as definitely
Speaker 1: you know, puts it into a different perspective that I
Speaker 1: don't always let myself feel, which is really nice.
Speaker 2: Good, I'm glad, Thank you. Do you still kind of
Speaker 2: kid yourself and just say it's luck to yourself. Now
Speaker 2: after all these years, do you still feel that way?
Speaker 1: I do, and I think that, you know, having that
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind definitely keeps me a
Speaker 1: little bit more humble and helps me. You know, this
Speaker 1: wasn't something that I was asking for looking for, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I've all, like my entire life, I've been
Speaker 1: filming videos, whether it's like I was ten and look
Speaker 1: at how I do this or this, how do my makeup?
Speaker 1: Like always just making videos. That was always something I
Speaker 1: loved and I never shared them with anyone until TikTok.
Speaker 1: So it's really it's crazy to think back about those
Speaker 1: times and how they probably really did help me get
Speaker 1: to where I am now.
Speaker 2: I love what you said that luck, or viewing your
Speaker 2: success as luck, helps you stay humble. I think that's
Speaker 2: such a beautiful trait and quality to aspire for and
Speaker 2: to always practice. At the same time, though, I'm guessing
Speaker 2: that when you see it through the lens of luck,
Speaker 2: sometimes it can affect your self esteem or self worth
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, I just got lucky, and maybe
Speaker 2: I don't deserve this. I don't know if those thoughts
Speaker 2: come up at the same time as trying to stay humble.
Speaker 2: There's this side of like low self esteem that we
Speaker 2: all go through.
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I think it's hard not to feel
Speaker 1: that way, especially A lot of my journey was everyone
Speaker 1: telling me that I didn't deserve it, kind of feeding
Speaker 1: into that, and it's starting to really affect, you know,
Speaker 1: how I think about myself. Do I deserve anything? Why
Speaker 1: am I where I am? I don't do anything special.
Speaker 1: I'm not different than anyone. There's millions of people that
Speaker 1: would probably be better at my job than I am,
Speaker 1: But somehow it's me, And you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: try and separate myself online from who I am in person.
Speaker 1: I always like to say, it's Charlie Demilio whoever Elsie's
Speaker 1: and Charlie who I am when it's just me, And
Speaker 1: you know, you really have to appreciate the things that
Speaker 1: you work hard for, because I feel like those are
Speaker 1: the moments where I really do feel proud of myself,
Speaker 1: because I don't always even when achieving these amazing things,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's not really me. It's the people
Speaker 1: that are watching me that got me here, you know,
Speaker 1: like they could have done this to anyone, But when
Speaker 1: it comes to things like Dancing with the Stars or
Speaker 1: hosting the Kids Choice Awards, like those were two of
Speaker 1: probably my favorite accomplishments of mine because I really felt
Speaker 1: like I had to work for that and it was
Speaker 1: just moments where I really truly felt proud of myself
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like that very often.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you shared that with us, because Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's interesting, isn't it. It's like the reason why you
Speaker 2: did so well on both of those is because you've
Speaker 2: done it for years and years and years. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 2: you need to have a moment where you're working really
Speaker 2: hard on one specific thing so that you can see it.
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to make this awareness
Speaker 2: of like there's Charlie Dmillio and then there's Charlie, Like,
Speaker 2: how long did it take you to figure that out
Speaker 2: for yourself and to even explain it in that way?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely took me a while. I always knew
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind. It was like I
Speaker 1: would do certain brand deals or ads and they'd have
Speaker 1: this creative and I'd do it and I put on
Speaker 1: this like super happy smiley, like obviously catering to a
Speaker 1: younger audience, which I love doing, but that's not who
Speaker 1: I am at heart, and I think growing up and
Speaker 1: I started this when I was what fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: and then I was turning seventeen and eighteen and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, getting tattoos and I would curse and everyone
Speaker 1: would be like, whoa, this is crazy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is what I do in my normal day to
Speaker 1: day life, Like this is who I am. So I
Speaker 1: really just had to the version that people don't like
Speaker 1: isn't even me, you know, it's what they nitpick out
Speaker 1: of certain things that I do. And I think coming
Speaker 1: to that realization honestly over the past few months, maybe
Speaker 1: this past year, I think has been probably one of
Speaker 1: the most helpful things to not let what other people
Speaker 1: say get to me.
Speaker 2: I empathize and feel so compassionate for how difficult that
Speaker 2: could be to be that young and have millions and
Speaker 2: millions and millions of people having an opinion on everything
Speaker 2: from what you wear to what you say, to what
Speaker 2: you do and who you date and just everything right, Like,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine being your age and being put under
Speaker 2: a magnifying glass like in the way you have, which
Speaker 2: I think is also very unique because I think TikTok
Speaker 2: put people under a magnifying glass in a way that
Speaker 2: it's also never been done before. It's like a first
Speaker 2: time thing. So what has changed about then? Fifteen and
Speaker 2: you're only eighteen now, so it's only been three years, right,
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen. Now you're nineteen now, so it's been four years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in those four years, what has What would you say
Speaker 2: is the biggest change that you've seen in who you
Speaker 2: thought you were then and who you are now?
Speaker 1: I think I just you know, I was in high school.
Speaker 1: It was one day no one cared what I did,
Speaker 1: No one cared what I wore, what I looked like,
Speaker 1: what I said, and then all of a sudden, that
Speaker 1: was all anyone would talk about. It happened so fast,
Speaker 1: and I put up a shield to kind of protect myself,
Speaker 1: which helped me but also hurt me a little bit
Speaker 1: because it was hard to get out of that shell.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think back to some of the
Speaker 1: things that I said in interviews like three years ago, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hate comments, don't bother me, And I was like, you
Speaker 1: went home and cried all night because of it. Like
Speaker 1: I would say things to make people think one thing,
Speaker 1: but inside I was very sheltered, and I went through
Speaker 1: a pretty big stage for maybe like the first two
Speaker 1: years where I always looked out for the best in people,
Speaker 1: and I got myself hurt a lot. You know, people
Speaker 1: wanted to make videos together and they would invite me
Speaker 1: over for collapse and then they would all hang out
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be invited, and I would I would
Speaker 1: be so confused, and the excuse was always You're too
Speaker 1: young or you know whatever, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: guys are just hanging out at a house, Like how
Speaker 1: am I too young for that? But not too young
Speaker 1: to have in all your videos? And it took a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, distancing myself, a lot of talking
Speaker 1: to my family, going to therapy, you know, figuring out
Speaker 1: who I am outside of anyone watching, to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more content with myself and understand that I
Speaker 1: don't need to have all of these people like me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm fine on my own. I love being
Speaker 1: by myself. I'm fine with the friends that I have
Speaker 1: in my corner that I've had for years, or the
Speaker 1: new friends that come into my life that actually love
Speaker 1: me for me, And you know, there's nothing that I
Speaker 1: can do. I feel like now I'm kind of at
Speaker 1: a point where, you know whatever, Like that's kind of
Speaker 1: my motto. I always am just like all right, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care, and focusing more on
Speaker 1: the things that really matter to me. Like it sounds
Speaker 1: so lame because I constantly talk about my dogs like
Speaker 1: they're my children, but literally like spending the day with them,
Speaker 1: taking care of them, my responsibility being them and not myself.
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about work or anything. They
Speaker 1: don't care if I have a million followers or none, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just focusing more on the things that
Speaker 1: actually matter, the fans that actually love me no matter what,
Speaker 1: like have been there for years or brand new, and
Speaker 1: actually like who I am and not just what I
Speaker 1: put out.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's and it's so hard because so
Speaker 2: much of what you put out is you or is
Speaker 2: a part of you. Yeah, And it can feel like
Speaker 2: the biggest part of you because it gets the biggest response. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's it's almost confusing in your brain to be
Speaker 2: like when you're with your dogs, it's a small part
Speaker 2: of your life where there's a small amount of people there,
Speaker 2: but it's actually a bigger, yeah, bigger importance significance.
Speaker 1: To you, because I have so much life that no
Speaker 1: one sees. I have so much about me that no
Speaker 1: one knows about, and I'm fine with that, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to change myself for
Speaker 1: anyone because I've I did that for so long and
Speaker 1: it was so exhausting and I worked so much while
Speaker 1: being so burnt out and just wanting to kind of
Speaker 1: get away from everyone, that now what I want to
Speaker 1: do is definitely a lot more important than what everyone's
Speaker 1: telling me to do.
Speaker 2: And that's really tough. Like when I've spoken to even
Speaker 2: like young musicians and music stars, it's like most people
Speaker 2: get their break when they're like fifteen years old or
Speaker 2: something like that, and naturally everyone's older than you. And
Speaker 2: as a fifteen year old, you're used to having parents
Speaker 2: or people older than you telling you what to do.
Speaker 2: And so whether it's your manager or whether it's your
Speaker 2: agent or your team or whatever it is, they book you,
Speaker 2: and then you're doing what they say. Because you're doing
Speaker 2: what the adults say, it's kind of normal. And now
Speaker 2: that you're an adult yourself, you're kind of like trying
Speaker 2: to take that back. What was it that you felt
Speaker 2: you did that wasn't you, or that you felt you
Speaker 2: were doing because the adults are saying to do it?
Speaker 2: Or what were those things that you felt like you
Speaker 2: moved away from who you wanted to be or who
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: I think I, you know, for quite some time, to
Speaker 1: just do whatever anyone said to make them like me,
Speaker 1: whether it was how I dressed or how I talked,
Speaker 1: or what I said anything what type of videos I make.
Speaker 1: I was listening to every comment, whether it was like
Speaker 1: I hate that hoodie, well never wearing that again, like
Speaker 1: this person doesn't like it, and dictating every decision I
Speaker 1: made through what other people said. And I mean for
Speaker 1: a long time, the beginning, I was only surrounded by
Speaker 1: a bunch of adults and twenty five year olds and
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And they would always say how
Speaker 1: mature I am. But I was just trying to fit in,
Speaker 1: you know. I was still in high school still, like
Speaker 1: you know, you want to be with the cool kids.
Speaker 1: So the people that I thought was cool, I would
Speaker 1: do anything to be like them, you know, dressed different
Speaker 1: every day, or or speak about specific things, or try
Speaker 1: to sound cool or change myself. And it's just so
Speaker 1: not worth it, because why am I going to do that?
Speaker 1: And how long am I going to do that? Until
Speaker 1: they realize that it's like, okay, we get it, like
Speaker 1: you like whatever, we like, you don't have to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just I think it's it's so unfair
Speaker 1: to yourself to have to do that all the time.
Speaker 2: That I love that you use that word unfair. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's almost like it's just unfair to do that to yourself.
Speaker 2: That that really hit me and resonated with me because
Speaker 2: it's it's almost like you're just doing yourself such a
Speaker 2: big disservice by molding yourself into what you think someone wants.
Speaker 2: And that was just a thought they had on one day,
Speaker 2: in one second, in one.
Speaker 1: Car, and then and then you have no idea who
Speaker 1: you are. I had to sit with myself and say,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I like. I have no
Speaker 1: idea how I want to dress. I have no idea
Speaker 1: how I want to do my makeup, or what's my
Speaker 1: favorite song or what's my favorite movie. I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I do not know anything about myself.
Speaker 1: And my answer to every question was I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I actually had to talk to my therapist about this,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I say, I don't know to everything.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I really don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know who I am. I feel like all I know
Speaker 1: is what anyone tells me to do. And I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a really weird feeling because how do you
Speaker 1: get out of that? How do you find out what
Speaker 1: you like? But you really just have to try things,
Speaker 1: get out of your house. I was not leaving my
Speaker 1: house ever, Like I would go through these phases where
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to talk to me, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do anything. I just want to stay in
Speaker 1: my room all day, watch TV, like not get ready, nothing.
Speaker 1: And I've been really low a couple times. And I
Speaker 1: think this pastime that I got really low was when
Speaker 1: I was like okay. My parents even said they were like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let you. We're not going to sit
Speaker 1: here and watch you rot in bed all day and
Speaker 1: not do anything, and just like, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's so unfair, and especially when you don't live with
Speaker 1: your parents and they're noticing that it's an issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I had to kind of really dig deep and
Speaker 1: ask the questions that I didn't ask for so long
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. Maybe I didn't want to know the answer.
Speaker 1: It was too much or scary to figure it out
Speaker 1: and be your own person. But I think it's just
Speaker 1: so much easier, and.
Speaker 2: I think it's also just you know, being it's really
Speaker 2: hard when you're living your own journey. And then you
Speaker 2: realize as you're getting older and as you are maturing,
Speaker 2: as everyone does, you're looking going I can't really expect
Speaker 2: my fifteen year old self to know all this anyway,
Speaker 2: like I think you know for me when I think
Speaker 2: about being back to fifteen, and I didn't know anything
Speaker 2: about myself and I wasn't dealing with the pressures you
Speaker 2: dealt with or the challenges that you had. And sure
Speaker 2: I had different challenges and different stresses, as I'm sure
Speaker 2: everyone does has their own thing. But the point is
Speaker 2: that as a fifteen year old self, you don't really
Speaker 2: know what you like anyway, because it is true you
Speaker 2: are trying to be with the cool kids, or you
Speaker 2: are trying to be like the other people, and you're
Speaker 2: getting involved in all sorts of things just for people
Speaker 2: to give you approval and validate you, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden it's amazing that you're now coming to
Speaker 2: that point where you're like, I want to know, And
Speaker 2: I think what I love about what you said is
Speaker 2: and it's because I said this often in my books
Speaker 2: and my work, is that knowing what movies you like,
Speaker 2: what food do you like, what songs you like? That
Speaker 2: is the beginning of self awareness. Like, it's that basic.
Speaker 2: It's not this complicated, deep thing that it begins with.
Speaker 2: It really starts with those things. It starts with these
Speaker 2: really simple everyday choices that we all have to make.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you simple everyday choices. What
Speaker 2: is it now that Charlie likes? Like, what is it
Speaker 2: that Charlie has discovered that not Charlie d'milio, but Charlie
Speaker 2: enjoys and appreciates that. What are the joys of life
Speaker 2: that your dogs obviously mentioned? Yeah, but what are some
Speaker 2: of the things that brings you joy that you feel
Speaker 2: you're discovering for the first time?
Speaker 1: Things that bring me joy? I love cleaning. That's something
Speaker 1: that sounds so lame but is so therapeutic.
Speaker 2: I love what about cleaning? Because I want to know.
Speaker 2: I want to know now. The way you said that
Speaker 2: was so much genuineness I'm like, what about cleaning.
Speaker 1: Honestly, to me, it's just therapeutic, like put something on
Speaker 1: my TV, clean my room, organize my stuff, make it
Speaker 1: how I like it, you know, because there can be
Speaker 1: certain things that, oh, well, you know this is cool.
Speaker 1: I guess I like this, But what picture do I
Speaker 1: want out? What am I proud of and want presented?
Speaker 1: How do I like my bed made? How do I
Speaker 1: like my chargers to be set up? It's like such
Speaker 1: minusculed things that I think makes such a difference, and
Speaker 1: it also makes you feel productive and makes me feel
Speaker 1: like I have my stuff together. And I mean, as
Speaker 1: someone who struggles with obsessive compulsive disorder, that's one of
Speaker 1: my like big things where I feel like when I'm
Speaker 1: doing that, I'm almost clearing my head. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just something that I genuinely enjoy doing and I
Speaker 1: think is super fun. Like this morning, because I've had
Speaker 1: such bad jet lag, I was like, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: either try to go to sleep for the next three
Speaker 1: hours or get up and clean the kitchen and play
Speaker 1: with the dogs. And I was like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: just get up and do it. You know, I'll get
Speaker 1: up in five minutes and we'll start to do this stuff.
Speaker 1: You order your coffee and do all the things that
Speaker 1: you need to do to feel together. And that made
Speaker 1: me happy and I was really proud I did that,
Speaker 1: and I started my day on a great note and
Speaker 1: now I feel great. So it's just like little things
Speaker 1: that I just I find so much fun in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean the team will attest to this too.
Speaker 2: I'm like addicted to organizing shelves and bookshelves. So I'll
Speaker 2: take you to the house afterwards, and I have, like
Speaker 2: I have this bookshelf in there that I personally curated,
Speaker 2: like everything, and like even if my wife moves one book,
Speaker 2: I'll notice it, yeah, and I'll be like, where's that
Speaker 2: book going. But it's like I get that, like organizing
Speaker 2: spaces and creating spaces to be spaces you want to
Speaker 2: live in and sit in. Like even this room right now,
Speaker 2: Like I curated it because I want to be in
Speaker 2: this space and I want it to feel comfortable for
Speaker 2: my guess and for myself, and I want it to
Speaker 2: also spark curiosity or whatever it may be. And I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting how all these tiny things, when you're
Speaker 2: intentional about them, they can spark so much joy without
Speaker 2: trying that hard.
Speaker 1: And I mean it might be a little bit of
Speaker 1: like the very few parts of my life that I
Speaker 1: genuinely get to control. You know, it's not up to
Speaker 1: anyone else. It's not you know, do it this way
Speaker 1: or wear this or show this product. It's like, I
Speaker 1: just get to do this and make it how I want,
Speaker 1: the way I want it, on my own schedule, and
Speaker 1: I'm fully in control of this task start to finish,
Speaker 1: which you know, Yeah, it's a way to deal with
Speaker 1: being a little bit of a control free Yeah.
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Speaker 2: the code on Purpose. No, you're right. I think that's
Speaker 2: such a great point. It's rare that we have that
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great point. What else would you
Speaker 2: say that you've discovered about your likes and dislikes, Like
Speaker 2: what was something that you thought you liked before or
Speaker 2: someone had told you to like before, and now you're like,
Speaker 2: I actually change now, Like that's not how I feel
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Ooh, there's definitely a few. I'd say. One thing that
Speaker 1: I started to specifically like my own way was music.
Speaker 1: I you know, would listen to whatever's popular. And I
Speaker 1: feel like now I really only listen to the songs
Speaker 1: that I genuinely enjoy listening to where I relate to,
Speaker 1: and even if it's the most random playlist ever, where
Speaker 1: it's like rap, sad music, country music, like all in one,
Speaker 1: I enjoy listening to that, and I don't have to
Speaker 1: listen to whatever everyone else is listening to. And I
Speaker 1: also can if I want to, If I want to
Speaker 1: listen to whatever's the top one hundred, I'm gonna do that,
Speaker 1: you know, even in front of other people, Like I
Speaker 1: can play what I like and I'll take suggestions and
Speaker 1: not just what's your favorite song, Well, whatever one's the
Speaker 1: top one right now, Like you know, having that to
Speaker 1: myself is also something really nice.
Speaker 2: Have you discovered any new artists or anyone recently that
Speaker 2: you're like someone that maybe we haven't heard of, or
Speaker 2: someone that maybe is less heard of that you like.
Speaker 1: Well, my favorite artist his name is Pimstones. He doesn't
Speaker 1: make music anymore, which is really really sad, but he's
Speaker 1: my favorite artist ever. He's made like some of the
Speaker 1: most incredible songs I've ever heard, and they're just so
Speaker 1: beautiful to listen to. And one of them has been
Speaker 1: my favorite song for a while. Actually, someone at my
Speaker 1: dance studio when I was like probably thirteen, had a
Speaker 1: solo to it Wow. And ever since then, I've been obsessed.
Speaker 1: And he only has like two songs out on Spotify,
Speaker 1: but I will listen to the two of them just
Speaker 1: on repeat forever and ever and ever because they're so good.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow. Yeah, Yeah, I love it. I'll check it out.
Speaker 2: Only two songs on Spotify, Yeah, Jamestones, Alright, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go check it out after this interview. No, I love that,
Speaker 2: and I think it's really refreshing and it must feel
Speaker 2: so good. I can see it your face. So you
Speaker 2: just seem so like genuinely happy talking about the things
Speaker 2: that spark joy, that bring you that sense of comfort
Speaker 2: and ease and make life that much more. What if
Speaker 2: someone right now is listening and they're like, Charlie, I'm
Speaker 2: struggling with what you just said. Like, I find it
Speaker 2: hard to be open and honest about the things I
Speaker 2: like because people make fun of me or ridicule me,
Speaker 2: or maybe people tell me that's not cool or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is, Like, what has slowly given you the confidence
Speaker 2: to get there? And what do you think people need
Speaker 2: to hear to almost feel confident in themselves to say that?
Speaker 1: I think it just starts with giving yourself permission to
Speaker 1: be open with yourself, because it really, like, as much
Speaker 1: as it sucks to hear like it is all in
Speaker 1: your head, you have to work on yourself talk. And
Speaker 1: I think positive self talk is something that is so
Speaker 1: often overlooked because everyone's so overly critical of themselves. You
Speaker 1: see your face, you know, in the reflection of your phone,
Speaker 1: you're in pictures, background of photos. You're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: hate this one, but this one posted it, and I
Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. You know, you have to.
Speaker 1: Once you start speaking in a more positive tone about
Speaker 1: yourself and the people around you, the easier it is
Speaker 1: to feel more positive, you know, instead of I hate
Speaker 1: the way I look today, you know what, my hair
Speaker 1: is doing something different and I kind of like it,
Speaker 1: you know, starting with those little little things that sound
Speaker 1: so so like it's so tiny, who even cares? You know,
Speaker 1: it's in my head. It's not affecting anyone, but it's
Speaker 1: affecting yourself. So I think just the more you can
Speaker 1: be positive and open with yourself and not so overly
Speaker 1: critical of yourself. If you like a movie and no
Speaker 1: one else likes that movie, doesn't mean it's a bad
Speaker 1: movie and you can't like it. You can still enjoy
Speaker 1: watching it, and Okay, we just have different opinions. That's normal,
Speaker 1: and they probably like stuff I don't like, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't take away from what they like. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: the way you talk to yourself is so important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so right, and it's so subtle, like those
Speaker 2: thoughts as you just said, Like I love that switch
Speaker 2: that you just made between I don't like how my
Speaker 2: hair looks today, or oh my head's doing something different
Speaker 2: today and that's interesting or it looks cool, whatever it
Speaker 2: may be. There's an amazing book for those who are
Speaker 2: more interested in what Charlie's talking about right now. It's
Speaker 2: called Psycho cybernetics, and it's this whole idea of how
Speaker 2: our thoughts completely define our reality and how as you
Speaker 2: just said, studies showed that we have sixty to eighty
Speaker 2: thousand thoughts per day, and eighty percent of them are
Speaker 2: negative and repetitive. So we're often having the same thought,
Speaker 2: which is like I don't like how I look or
Speaker 2: I don't like how my hair looks, or I don't
Speaker 2: like this about me or whatever it may be. And
Speaker 2: you keep having that thought, oh yeah, and then it
Speaker 2: just spirals and then that's all you feel about yourself,
Speaker 2: and then it becomes your reality. So that book really
Speaker 2: helped me. It's an old school classic in this space,
Speaker 2: but it convinces you that you can change your thoughts
Speaker 2: and it's not like you're lying to yourself, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I want to address this for people who think that
Speaker 2: positive This is not about positive thinking. This is not
Speaker 2: like looking at yourself and going I'm amazing and I'm special.
Speaker 2: Like that stuff doesn't work either. Yeah, but it's almost
Speaker 2: just tweaking your thoughts slightly to being How do you
Speaker 2: change from being critical to just being curious? And that
Speaker 2: little switch can change everything exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think It's so important because getting to the
Speaker 1: point where you have a more positive self talk, it's
Speaker 1: it's not linear. You know, you're gonna have dips and
Speaker 1: bad days and good days and bad months and good months.
Speaker 1: You just that's that's how it works. But I notice
Speaker 1: when I start to see myself slip and realize I've
Speaker 1: been super critical of myself and you know what, I've
Speaker 1: had such a bad week. That's probably why I'm feeling
Speaker 1: so insecure, and maybe I'm taking it out on other
Speaker 1: people or I don't want to leave my house because
Speaker 1: I've critiqued everything about the way I look and not
Speaker 1: focus on one positive thing at all, you know it.
Speaker 1: Really that's when I noticed, when I started to dip again,
Speaker 1: how important it is to really focus on being kind
Speaker 1: to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hope people really hear that, because I
Speaker 2: think the reason why we're hard on others is because
Speaker 2: we're so hard on ourselves. And the reason we're so
Speaker 2: hard on ourselves is because we're so hard on others.
Speaker 2: And it's almost like if we were just able to
Speaker 2: be kinda to the stranger or our friend, our family member,
Speaker 2: then I think we'd actually be able to be more
Speaker 2: kind to ourselves, and.
Speaker 1: Even like in friendships and relationships, I think it's important
Speaker 1: if you're telling jokes back and forth to each other
Speaker 1: and maybe they're like, you know how you joke with
Speaker 1: your friends, Like sometimes it can be a little mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I've done the why don't we try and
Speaker 1: just be really really nice to each other for a
Speaker 1: little bit, Let's really focus on bringing each other up.
Speaker 1: And I've actually had that conversation before and I think
Speaker 1: it's something that sounds almost corny, like let's be super
Speaker 1: nice to each other, but it really is helpful to
Speaker 1: have the people that you love. And maybe you say
Speaker 1: it when you're a little bit down, so you know,
Speaker 1: you're not asking for compliments, You're just asking for a
Speaker 1: more positive environment around you. And I think that there's
Speaker 1: something so special about that, and the people around you
Speaker 1: that love you will definitely be open to it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's also something in that the
Speaker 1: people that you have around you every day you need
Speaker 1: to try and build up with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's get I get that people find that hard.
Speaker 2: Because I'm also in England, we banter a lot, and
Speaker 2: so I'm banter a lot on my team with my wife, Like,
Speaker 2: if people see me and my wife together, they're like,
Speaker 2: you guys, hate you too, literally because we'd go so
Speaker 2: hard and even my friends. I just came back from
Speaker 2: London for my sister's wedding and I was there with
Speaker 2: all my boys and I was so we're so intense
Speaker 2: with each other, and that's how close we are, Like
Speaker 2: the more intense we could be. But you're right that sometimes,
Speaker 2: and it's really interesting because when you get into a
Speaker 2: one on one with a friend, they'll say how much
Speaker 2: they need the opposite. Like when you're with a group
Speaker 2: of people and you're all bantering, it's great, but then
Speaker 2: when you're one on one with someone, you hear how
Speaker 2: someone's like, you know, I need a bit of encouragement, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I need to know that you think I'm doing good
Speaker 2: at this or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: So and also like, don't be afraid to be the
Speaker 1: person that is going to text all the people around
Speaker 1: you every time you see them do something, I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of you, like you looked amazing at this or
Speaker 1: this was so cool that you did this. Like be
Speaker 1: that person, be the annoying person. You know, I wish
Speaker 1: I did it more, and I should, and that's something
Speaker 1: that I'll take into the of the day. But this
Speaker 1: morning even I had a conversation with my mom and
Speaker 1: she's got back into modeling. She's in Louisiana right now,
Speaker 1: so I haven't seen her in a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and she was sending me photos and I didn't answer
Speaker 1: my phone for a little bit, just because I've been
Speaker 1: jet lagged and crazy, and I was like, geez, like,
Speaker 1: if I sent her something, I would want to hear
Speaker 1: back how proud she is of me. So let me
Speaker 1: just go over the top, because sometimes you need to
Speaker 1: be that person, especially if that's the energy that you're
Speaker 1: trying to get back. You can't get that without giving
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, And how's that been, because obviously that's
Speaker 2: a big part of it, right, especially with the new
Speaker 2: new docu series as well, like the new season, like
Speaker 2: this idea of your whole family is now in the spotlight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's almost like people just lump everyone together, especially
Speaker 2: when it's a big family and everyone's got exciting things happening.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've obviously interviewed your whole family before,
Speaker 2: so I've sat with them and it's wonderful and at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's hard to find your own space
Speaker 2: and call of your own identity, right, Like that's challenging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the family dynamic is something that
Speaker 1: is really really confusing, especially for me. I'm the youngest,
Speaker 1: So you spend all your time trying to impress your
Speaker 1: older sister. You spend all your time trying to prove
Speaker 1: something to your parents, even when they're already proud of you.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really confusing. You don't know where you
Speaker 1: fit in. I'm like, I live with my sister. I
Speaker 1: don't live with my parents, but you know, I still
Speaker 1: want the same support that I got when I lived
Speaker 1: with them. But I can't just go up to their
Speaker 1: room anytime I'm having a bad day. They don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with me all the time when we're
Speaker 1: working together and on a shoot. You know, I hate
Speaker 1: to say this, but sometimes they want more stuff of
Speaker 1: me or whatever it is, or we want this for
Speaker 1: the family, and then they'll you know, expect extra from me,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, where do I fit in because
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest, But sometimes they want the most and
Speaker 1: will you know, it gets the point where it's like,
Speaker 1: well they they're not there for me, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, everyone's doing their own stuff. Like, everyone
Speaker 1: has their own stuff going on. Dixie has music, my
Speaker 1: mom's modeling, my dad's doing business stuff, Like there's so
Speaker 1: much going on for all of us at the same time.
Speaker 1: It can get hard to celebrate every single achievement when
Speaker 1: there's just four of us all doing different things, all
Speaker 1: at the same time, running from place to place, traveling.
Speaker 1: You know, we're still figuring that out now. I think
Speaker 1: while filming season three, our entire family was going through
Speaker 1: a lot, like mentally and with work. So it's hard
Speaker 1: to watch back those episodes because we were just all
Speaker 1: in such a different place and so confused at where
Speaker 1: we all stand and taking it out on each other,
Speaker 1: which I think is probably the biggest regret I have
Speaker 1: through all of this with my family, is like we
Speaker 1: need to have each other's backs through everything, because you know,
Speaker 1: through it all, you work with people, you make friends, whatever,
Speaker 1: you have to have family or people that you've kind
Speaker 1: of adopted as family that are there to support you
Speaker 1: when there's no cameras or when there's no likes or
Speaker 1: followers anything like. You need that and the hardest time
Speaker 1: for all of us was when we didn't have each
Speaker 1: other to lean on, and that is really really shown
Speaker 1: in season three, and like even when I see clips,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to see it at all,
Speaker 1: Like that was such a hard time for all of us,
Speaker 1: and it's so embarrassing at times to see that, like
Speaker 1: people posting it, reposting it, edits of it, edits of
Speaker 1: times where I was like really really really struggling and
Speaker 1: hearing people She's so dramatic, but you hear a tenth
Speaker 1: of what was acting actually going on, you know, So
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot or things are you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I was upset about one thing, but in the show
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm upset about something else. It's like
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff that's just I don't even
Speaker 1: want to pay attention to it.
Speaker 2: It must be so challenging, like I've always I've always
Speaker 2: thought about it, like having a show where every one
Speaker 2: of your feelings and emotions is being documented and then
Speaker 2: broadcast sounds like the most challenging thing ever.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like even just that as a premise, and
Speaker 2: I know it's been around forever, and you know, Famili
Speaker 2: has been followed forever, and there's this format has been
Speaker 2: around forever. But I'm like it doesn't get easier because
Speaker 2: of that, because as humans, we love to watch drama.
Speaker 2: We love to watch the gossip. We want to see
Speaker 2: the scoop. The show has like twists and changes, and
Speaker 2: you know, characters that are upset at each other, and
Speaker 2: you have all of this going on, but then behind
Speaker 2: all of that there's a real human with emotions, yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to figure it all out. Have you been able
Speaker 2: to separate like yourself and then the character on the
Speaker 2: show too, Like do you feel or do you feel
Speaker 2: that's just so interrelated that you're like in.
Speaker 1: Ways, yes for sure, but like people don't realize when
Speaker 1: you're filming. Sometimes you forget you have a mic on
Speaker 1: and you say something and you're like, I really wasn't
Speaker 1: that deep, Like, yeah, it's not that important. Sometimes you're
Speaker 1: really really upset or you're maybe mentally struggling a little bit,
Speaker 1: and you don't have a reason, because sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: need a reason. Sometimes you just feel really bad and
Speaker 1: that happens, so you go through these well why are
Speaker 1: you well, what was happening? You know? Was it this
Speaker 1: person's fault and it's like, well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was just really feeling bad and I didn't have a
Speaker 1: handle on it and I had to film, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't get a choice of how I
Speaker 1: how I go into filming. You know, I can try
Speaker 1: and go in with a positive mindset, but after a
Speaker 1: couple hours, you know, like I'm tired, and you see
Speaker 1: how maybe I was really feeling that day. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: nothing that was at all in the show, like people
Speaker 1: watching have no idea, but it is so many real
Speaker 1: emotions that it's really really hard to separate the two.
Speaker 1: But hopefully, you know, if another season happens, I'll be
Speaker 1: able to do that.
Speaker 2: And why did you feel there in season three that
Speaker 2: it got harder with family than easier, Like you'd hope
Speaker 2: that season three, like maybe it easier, But why do
Speaker 2: you think it got hard? Is it just that everyone's
Speaker 2: more busy now or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we were just all going through so
Speaker 1: much individually and constantly taking it out on each other.
Speaker 1: And you know that's building blocks to working with your family.
Speaker 1: No family that works together is perfect all the time.
Speaker 1: And if you say you are, you are so wrong,
Speaker 1: especially when you know, we talk about it all the time,
Speaker 1: like family is everything, but when you're in those moment
Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm pissed at this person in my
Speaker 1: family because of maybe it's something stupid, But to me,
Speaker 1: it's like it feels like a lot. It feels like
Speaker 1: the entire world on my shoulders for maybe something that
Speaker 1: isn't that big of a deal, but it feels like
Speaker 1: that to me. You know, it's just we were all
Speaker 1: going through so much at the same time that there
Speaker 1: was no way that these cameras weren't going.
Speaker 2: To catch it. It sounds like even even though obviously
Speaker 2: you said that, you know, when you're a kid, you
Speaker 2: still want your family to take care of you. And
Speaker 2: obviously now you're in a position where obviously you take
Speaker 2: care of yourself. You live with your sister. But what
Speaker 2: would you say, has been the biggest skills you've learned
Speaker 2: in how to take care of yourself when you don't
Speaker 2: have your family to rely on.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I feel like that's something that
Speaker 1: is so confusing to me. Still. I feel so independent
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm traveling without any of my friends
Speaker 1: or family. I'm on these big work calls, like I
Speaker 1: have no training for this. I didn't even finish high school. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm making the right decision. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is, you know, good or bad. I still call
Speaker 1: my dad all the time and I'm like, Okay, but seriously,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Because I like, this
Speaker 1: sounds not that cool to me, but apparently it's really
Speaker 1: like I have no idea how this works. And you know,
Speaker 1: the more I do it, the more I get comfortable
Speaker 1: and learn. But I missed so much of the normal
Speaker 1: growing up, going to college and then coming back for Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: Christmas or whatever it is that I kind of had
Speaker 1: to like race to figure it out because it was
Speaker 1: one day you're a kid and you're in high school
Speaker 1: and you have no responsibilities, and now you have people
Speaker 1: that are working for you and you're responsible for them,
Speaker 1: and you're responsible for everything that you do and you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to mess up. But I'm sixteen. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to not mess up. I don't know anything,
Speaker 1: Like how am I supposed to learn that without having
Speaker 1: these real life experiences. So I think the more as
Speaker 1: time goes on and the more I'm put in these
Speaker 1: situations where I have to be independent and a grown up.
Speaker 1: You know, the easier it gets, but it's still something
Speaker 1: that I really have to figure out in each individual situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thirty six and I still don't know how
Speaker 2: not to mess up. It's just because I think what
Speaker 2: we don't realize is you've got yourself and your identity,
Speaker 2: like you as an individual, which is always changing. So
Speaker 2: whether you're thirty six or whether you're nineteen, you're still
Speaker 2: dealing with that. On top of that, you've now got
Speaker 2: the industry is always changing, so like the platforms are changing,
Speaker 2: and the business is changing, and there's social whatever, all
Speaker 2: of that's always changing. So you've never done it before,
Speaker 2: and most people have never done it before. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: no matter how smart someone was five months ago, everything's
Speaker 2: changed and so everything's being updated. And then on top
Speaker 2: of all of that, you've got everyone around you who's
Speaker 2: constantly changing and growing and evolving, and so it's so
Speaker 2: hard to ever feel you ever have a handle on
Speaker 2: all areas of your life. Yeah, and so definitely as
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old now a nineteen year old, Like,
Speaker 2: it's it's so much to learn quickly, and I think
Speaker 2: you had your you've recently had your prom, or you
Speaker 2: did your prom here right like you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had, I had two. We did one on
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, and then I went to my high
Speaker 1: school prom at my hometown. Okay, cool, Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: really fun and like the bit of senior year that
Speaker 1: I got to have, which was really nice because I
Speaker 1: didn't get that at all, and a lot of kids
Speaker 1: didn't during COVID and everything. So I'm definitely not the
Speaker 1: only person feeling like there's a lot of freshman sophomore
Speaker 1: year of college, like people didn't get that. People didn't
Speaker 1: get that very very integral part of growing up, or
Speaker 1: whether it's your first job, like this was my first job.
Speaker 1: I had never had any true responsibility before, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how, and there's no rulebook to say, well,
Speaker 1: this is how you be an adult. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of just figuring it out and messing up along the way.
Speaker 1: But when you mess up and you have so many
Speaker 1: people telling you how you messed up and how that's
Speaker 1: horrible and you're doing all of these things wrong, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but this is all I know how to do.
Speaker 1: You kind of just every day learn a little bit
Speaker 1: and just continue to do your best because that's all
Speaker 1: you can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And and do you know what, it's interesting
Speaker 2: because we're hearing that from you, and I think everyone's
Speaker 2: listening right now is going that's me too, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it doesn't matter how old you are, or
Speaker 2: how wise you are, or how smart, or whether you
Speaker 2: have your own business or you don't, or we're just
Speaker 2: all feeling that way because everyone is just trying to
Speaker 2: do their best, and sometimes my best is not good
Speaker 2: enough for everyone else, but that's all they could give.
Speaker 2: And I feel that for anyone and everyone today, And
Speaker 2: so I think what you're saying resonates or feels very relatable,
Speaker 2: at least even to me. And I'm sure everyoneho's listening
Speaker 2: is thinking that as well. Like I'm just trying, yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's like.
Speaker 1: The normal human experience. And I definitely get on myself
Speaker 1: about it, but everyone's just doing their best. Like my
Speaker 1: parents are still figuring out who they are, you know,
Speaker 1: it's ever changing. Like my grandmother before she passed, started
Speaker 1: to get a handle on all of the social media
Speaker 1: stuff and like how to watch me? She would watch
Speaker 1: YouTube videos or like see see things online articles and
Speaker 1: she would be like, I heard you did this, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's not true. That's just like an article,
Speaker 1: you know, and she's like, no, no, but I saw it
Speaker 1: in the press and I was like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not true. So we had to
Speaker 1: get a handle on that. But she was changing, and
Speaker 1: she was evolve with the times, and she didn't know
Speaker 1: how it worked, and she was you know, she was
Speaker 1: she was a lot older and still figuring out who
Speaker 1: she is and well, how do I do this? And
Speaker 1: and I want to watch you, but I have to
Speaker 1: discover this whole new thing. Like everyone is learning something,
Speaker 1: and she was just doing her best to watch her
Speaker 1: grandchildren on social media, like it's something that is so
Speaker 1: cute and something that seems so simple to me, like
Speaker 1: we'll just download TikTok and watch my videos, you know,
Speaker 1: But to her it was like this whole new thing
Speaker 1: that she has to learn. And I think once you
Speaker 1: realize that, literally everyone is just trying to do their
Speaker 1: best to get to the next day, Like you can
Speaker 1: be a lot easier on yourself, but also a lot
Speaker 1: easier on everyone around you.
Speaker 2: And also even just what you said about your grandmother,
Speaker 2: like learning about how she's reading something that sounds so
Speaker 2: true and you're like, no, it didn't happen that way.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I go through similar things with
Speaker 2: me and my family. So my parents will read an
Speaker 2: article about me or whatever, and they'll get really upset
Speaker 2: for me, or they'll get offended for me because there's
Speaker 2: something in it that they don't like or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: or there's something said about the family, which you must
Speaker 2: have to do with way more than I do, because
Speaker 2: your family's in the spotlight too. But then they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: why did they say that about the family and this
Speaker 2: and that? And I'm like, I didn't say anything, like
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost like I didn't even talk about that.
Speaker 2: I didn't mention anything. It's just someone coming up with something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine for you, Like.
Speaker 1: It's like the clickbait articles where I'm like, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that this isn't real. Or she'd like see someone
Speaker 1: online she's like, I don't like them. Why they said
Speaker 1: something about you three years ago? Well, they're my friends
Speaker 1: now She's like, I don't know, I don't like them.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, you're gonna think whatever you think, like,
Speaker 1: that's fine. She was so cute and so so supportive.
Speaker 1: Like she spent all day on her iPad just watching
Speaker 1: YouTube compilations of my tiktoks, And every time I see her,
Speaker 1: she'd be like, you need to stop cursing on the internet.
Speaker 2: Was like, I know, I know, that's so sweet. That's
Speaker 2: so funny. Yeah, I mean, and you're nice of you
Speaker 2: not to block out from those videos.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Even my other grandma, she like still swipes
Speaker 1: up on all my stories. She's like, you look great,
Speaker 1: or she'd reply to fan pages like a lot of
Speaker 1: people's grandparents. I hear this all the time from all
Speaker 1: the social media kids. It's like my grandma responds to
Speaker 1: my fan pages thinking they're me. And I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: so like it's so so ea and I love it.
Speaker 1: And I mean my grandma, that's my grandma on my
Speaker 1: dad's side, Like she like she still texts me all
Speaker 1: the time like do you look so good in this?
Speaker 1: Or this is so cool? Or anytime I do anything
Speaker 1: where it's like something that she would like, I'll like
Speaker 1: send her a photo and you know she's just proud.
Speaker 1: You know. That's also a good person to talk to
Speaker 1: that's just like always going to be proud of me.
Speaker 1: Just really nice to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely to allow that in. Do you find that
Speaker 2: you've found, like, I know you're close with Markel, who
Speaker 2: I love to is such a I love Markel's energy.
Speaker 2: I've only met him a couple of times, but he's
Speaker 2: so awesome. Have you found that you've got a good
Speaker 2: group of friends around you in the industry, Because what
Speaker 2: I've found is that so I have a bunch of
Speaker 2: great friends back in London who are like my best friends,
Speaker 2: like my best man at my wedding, and like my
Speaker 2: closest friends that I grew up with, and I speak
Speaker 2: to them like I speak to my best friend like
Speaker 2: three times a week still because it's so important to
Speaker 2: me and it and I need it. And at the
Speaker 2: same time, I also need friends who are in the
Speaker 2: industry because there are certain things that we can all
Speaker 2: understand about the industry, kind of like the idea of yeah,
Speaker 2: don't trust the press on that and whatever, because they
Speaker 2: already know that because they go through the same stuff.
Speaker 2: Do you find I know, it sounds like you have
Speaker 2: a great group of friends back at home. Do you
Speaker 2: find that you've also found the good friends in the
Speaker 2: industry that you can kind of compare notes with a
Speaker 2: bit too and be like, oh, I just went through
Speaker 2: that and this is how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I mean Markel's like he's family to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has shown.
Speaker 1: So much to me just as a person, whether it's
Speaker 1: talking to me one on one or defending me online,
Speaker 1: or you know, defending me to the people around him.
Speaker 1: Like he is someone that every person that meets him
Speaker 1: has so much amazing things to say about him, and
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that I have him in my life,
Speaker 1: whether it's like we're doing nothing, or we're out with
Speaker 1: a bunch of people and we want to have a
Speaker 1: dance party in the middle of the dance floor and
Speaker 1: it's just us too, like we'll do it, or in
Speaker 1: the middle of a restaurant, whatever it is, Like, I
Speaker 1: love that. But I've definitely found a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are in the industry, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: friendships that I have I tend to keep quiet about.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the friendships that I have, I've
Speaker 1: met them in very, very weird ways, because how am
Speaker 1: I supposed to meet people? You know, I don't go
Speaker 1: out super often I don't. I'm not usually around people
Speaker 1: my own age. Like a lot of my friends that
Speaker 1: I met, they were actually dancers at the Kid's Choice Awards,
Speaker 1: and we just clicked and I started to hang out
Speaker 1: with them, and I really like them, and they're really
Speaker 1: cool people, and they're in an industry that I'm so
Speaker 1: fascinated by, and yeah, they do so much similar things
Speaker 1: to me, but it's also different, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's really special. And after meeting them, it was really
Speaker 1: refreshing to be around people my own age and also
Speaker 1: just have people that are hardworking and determined and not
Speaker 1: competitive with me at all and just happy to see
Speaker 1: me happy. And I can have fun with whether we're
Speaker 1: filming or not. You know. But even like my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: he's in the industry, and you know, we tend to
Speaker 1: handle things a little bit differently. But sometimes I have
Speaker 1: to be like, it's not worth it. You know. We
Speaker 1: don't have to respond, we don't have to anything, like
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. I know, you you know me,
Speaker 1: whether people are saying things about me or people are
Speaker 1: saying things about a relationship. You know, having each other
Speaker 1: to kind of navigate that on our own is really
Speaker 1: nice because it's also what two nineteen year olds in
Speaker 1: a relationship have their lives together. You know, there's ups
Speaker 1: and downs, like whether I'm working all the time or
Speaker 1: he's working all the time, or I'm traveling or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, like, there's always so much going on that
Speaker 1: can so easily put a strain on a relationship. And
Speaker 1: also just coming into adulthood with two teenagers that have
Speaker 1: no idea what they're doing and just trying their best, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been really confusing to navigate, but also
Speaker 1: really refreshing to have someone else there that's like just
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out day by day.
Speaker 2: It's almost yeah, it's almost easier in one sense because
Speaker 2: you have someone to bounce it off of. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: opposed to.
Speaker 1: You're like, am I crazy? Are you crazy? Is this? Like?
Speaker 1: Is this okay? You know, so it's it's really nice.
Speaker 2: Do you think the hardest part about success and fame
Speaker 2: is having a relationship in the public eye. Would you
Speaker 2: say that that's the hardest part in terms of when
Speaker 2: it comes to your relationships or that's.
Speaker 1: Not Sometimes I feel like, you know, when two people
Speaker 1: that are in a relationship have like an off week
Speaker 1: or whatever, there can be the whole. This person didn't
Speaker 1: like their photo, or they haven't posted together, they're broken up,
Speaker 1: or this person's starting a rumor. Like even if you
Speaker 1: too are struggling, that's for you to go through and
Speaker 1: handle it however's appropriate whether you guys part ways or
Speaker 1: continue to work through things together. Like no relationship is perfect. Ever,
Speaker 1: you have moments where so much is going on, Like
Speaker 1: during Dancing with the Stars, I was dancing seven days
Speaker 1: a week. I was never home. He was like, I
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't have a girlfriend, and that was
Speaker 1: really hard. It was hard on my parents, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it's a lot, and especially for two young teenagers
Speaker 1: to go through, Like we don't know how to do this.
Speaker 1: No one knows how to do this. So we're just
Speaker 1: doing our best and there's ups and downs, but we
Speaker 1: work through it. And that's just being a person, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, And and just the idea of
Speaker 2: it is interesting when you've got two people who have
Speaker 2: crazy lives and have different journeys and have different you know,
Speaker 2: commitments and family commitments and there's just so much going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to keep up with it, Well, what have you found
Speaker 2: what has helped you both kind of keep up with
Speaker 2: each other's schedules in each other's lives because that's not
Speaker 2: going to change, at least not right now. And so
Speaker 2: what has helped, what has worked?
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we've obviously talked about this so much,
Speaker 1: just as a whole was I was just gone for
Speaker 1: almost two weeks and we were on different time zones,
Speaker 1: just trying to text and update each other. But it's
Speaker 1: figuring out what each other needs. You know, if he
Speaker 1: wants me to keep him updated, then I'll keep him
Speaker 1: updated because that's what he needs. If if I need
Speaker 1: him to tell me what's going on in his week
Speaker 1: so I don't feel left out, like that's totally cool,
Speaker 1: that's what I need. It's just having that conversation and
Speaker 1: realizing that people's needs change and adapting with that and
Speaker 1: not feeling like, well, I don't want to make him upset,
Speaker 1: like he's working a lot and I know he's super busy,
Speaker 1: like I need a shoulder to lean on. It's also
Speaker 1: having the conversation like sometimes I'll literally say I'm really
Speaker 1: really sensitive right now, like I just need some extra support,
Speaker 1: and then he knows to well, she needs this right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: Like that's totally cool. That's two people in a relationship
Speaker 1: doing whatever they can to make the other person happy,
Speaker 1: just normal human things and definitely not worrying about what
Speaker 1: anyone online has to say. It's so not worth it.
Speaker 1: It really isn't because ninety nine percent of these people
Speaker 1: are looking for you to respond. Like even today, I
Speaker 1: woke up to some crazy person talking about me and
Speaker 1: like the most wildly disrespectful way is like I've really
Speaker 1: seen a long time. And the thing is, like me
Speaker 1: and this person were at an event together and this
Speaker 1: person introduced themselves. I introduced myself, so we tried to
Speaker 1: be nice. This kid was not nice to me and
Speaker 1: then went and talked very poorly on me. And Lynnon's like, well,
Speaker 1: let me call this kid, And I'm like, it's not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, Like, it's not that's what
Speaker 1: he's looking for. Is it taking everything in me not
Speaker 1: to respond or not to text him. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: know if I text him, he's gonna post it, and
Speaker 1: that's going to be a thing, and he's going to
Speaker 1: get exactly what he wants me to respond and give
Speaker 1: in to whatever's story he wants to portray to the
Speaker 1: people that watch him. It's not it's not my problem,
Speaker 1: Like I know who I am and that's good enough
Speaker 1: for me, Like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so hard to get to that point,
Speaker 2: but it's so libering when you do, Like it's so
Speaker 2: freeing when you realize that where you're like actually not
Speaker 2: responding is not getting caught up in someone else's yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And like then it just gives people an opportunity to well,
Speaker 1: if I say this about her, then she's gonna respond.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't have time to respond to
Speaker 1: every little thing that people have to say about me,
Speaker 1: And it takes so much. It's so draining to have
Speaker 1: to see that. And the more you talk about it,
Speaker 1: the more your fans talk about it, and people in
Speaker 1: the press talk about it, and it's like for what reason?
Speaker 1: Because I was angry at this kid who I met once,
Speaker 1: Like who cares?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's hard when the person you're in a
Speaker 2: relationship with wants to defend you too, And.
Speaker 1: And he's so sweet. He is so quick to defend
Speaker 1: me in every way possible, and I just have to
Speaker 1: be like, it's cool.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 1: I feel like I tell him that all the time
Speaker 1: because he gets so upset whenever people have something negative
Speaker 1: to say about me or his family. And I mean
Speaker 1: I think I definitely told him, like many many times,
Speaker 1: it's cool, It's totally fine. They're gonna say it no
Speaker 1: matter what. And even if you respond and are like,
Speaker 1: well this isn't true because this is this they're not
Speaker 1: They're they already read it and they think what they
Speaker 1: think about you. They're not going to change their minds,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're arguing.
Speaker 1: With people that don't care what you have to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's already lost. Like, yeah, it's it's a lose
Speaker 2: lose situation. Yeah, so moving on is the best thing
Speaker 2: you can do. Yeah. No, And it's wonderful to be
Speaker 2: with someone and have that with someone who you know
Speaker 2: cares about you that deeply. And my wife's like that,
Speaker 2: Like my wife gets very defensive about me and like
Speaker 2: can get really activated and she gets really upset for
Speaker 2: me and whatever maybe, and I I really always appreciate
Speaker 2: that because I can see that she knows who I am.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what it goes back to her.
Speaker 2: I always said the same thing to him, like I'm
Speaker 2: just glad I have someone who knows who I am.
Speaker 1: Especially like when someone cares about you like that, to
Speaker 1: see you upset because of something and not being able
Speaker 1: to fix the problem because they just want to see
Speaker 1: you happy. Like I understand how upset that might make you,
Speaker 1: you know, And I feel bad because sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like I drag him into the drama just because of
Speaker 1: the relationship. But I think knowing that, you know, we
Speaker 1: have each other and I can tell him like this
Speaker 1: was this actually really hurt my feelings today, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a lot. And I just need some
Speaker 1: comfort and I need you to be by my side,
Speaker 1: and that's good enough for me, you know.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely, Charlie, what are you excited about right now?
Speaker 2: Like what's kind of like, you know, you've done so
Speaker 2: many amazing things, and I feel like this journey that
Speaker 2: you're saying with your identity of like getting to know
Speaker 2: yourself better. Yeah, You've done so many things, and I'm
Speaker 2: guessing some of them you're like, oh, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: Charlie Demilio and Charlie. It's like, what is Charlie like
Speaker 2: really excited about or curious about or passionate about, or
Speaker 2: like what's coming up where you're like, I really want
Speaker 2: to try that out or learn that or whatever whatever
Speaker 2: it may be, like open for.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think the first thing that I'm most excited
Speaker 1: about is my dogs. I have a puppy. I know,
Speaker 1: I sound so lame.
Speaker 2: I have a puppy. I'm not loving it. I love it.
Speaker 2: It's cute. It's just like, yeah, you have to open
Speaker 2: up a dogschuts.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like in love with her. I am
Speaker 1: a like older dog who's nine. She's literally me as
Speaker 1: a dog, and I'm I'm obsessed with her. She's the
Speaker 1: most adorable dog ever. She's literal human. But then I
Speaker 1: have this puppy that Lena and I adopted from Nashville,
Speaker 1: and she's like she was abandoned and she was like
Speaker 1: it was a horrible story and it really like pulled
Speaker 1: at my heart strings and I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: need to take you home now, like I will take
Speaker 1: care of you. I love you. And like watching her
Speaker 1: grow up and being responsible for her, I think has
Speaker 1: been very refreshing to me because my older dog, she's
Speaker 1: you know, she's very self sufficient. She's also very lazy.
Speaker 1: So I'll be up in the morning and she'll wake
Speaker 1: up two hours later ready to be fed like she
Speaker 1: is not. She has her own schedule and I love
Speaker 1: that about her because that's how I raise her. She's
Speaker 1: a very like laid back dog. I can have all
Speaker 1: the lights on and she's sleeping, like I love that.
Speaker 1: But this puppy, you know, you have to train her.
Speaker 1: You have to It's very specific, and these formative puppy
Speaker 1: years are so important to who this dog becomes. There's
Speaker 1: no bad dogs, there's only bad dog owners. So I
Speaker 1: just like am loving this journey of truly because you know,
Speaker 1: I got my dog nine years ago. I was ten.
Speaker 1: I wasn't actually raising her, and now I'm getting the
Speaker 1: chance to raise a dog, and it's really really exciting
Speaker 1: and special, and seeing the two of them together is
Speaker 1: like my favorite thing ever. I think something else that
Speaker 1: I'm excited for is I have a dance room in
Speaker 1: my garage, So I love just going down there any
Speaker 1: time of the day, whether it's four in the morning
Speaker 1: or one pm, and just like letting go and being
Speaker 1: open with myself and using movement as therapy and also
Speaker 1: getting a little bit of a workout in, you know,
Speaker 1: like being productive. I love that, and probably experimenting more
Speaker 1: with my style. That's something that I've just recently started
Speaker 1: to get into. I think Landon and my sister had
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that, because I love the
Speaker 1: way that they put together outfits. I think that they
Speaker 1: both have really good styles and it comes very natural
Speaker 1: to them, and to me it's a lot harder because
Speaker 1: I always go for what I know instead of stepping
Speaker 1: out of the box. But I'm trying. So that's something
Speaker 1: exciting and it's fun to experiment, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love how personal old as well. Those great
Speaker 2: there are great choices. Yeah. I love how none of
Speaker 2: them were career related and like none of them will
Speaker 2: work related. And that's awesome because I can tell that
Speaker 2: you've really start carving those two things as separate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, work wise, you know, using my voice more online,
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, even doing a podcast is
Speaker 1: something very outside of my comfort zone. A lot of
Speaker 1: my career has been not talking, so it's been very
Speaker 1: hard for me to get into using my voice and
Speaker 1: figuring out what do I want to say, Especially when
Speaker 1: you don't know yourself, how do you answer questions I
Speaker 1: don't You can't say I don't know for everything. So
Speaker 1: that's something that's been special and I've been trying to
Speaker 1: make more content for my fans and trying to use
Speaker 1: my voice more and like even little things finishing and
Speaker 1: get ready with me, which I film fifty of them
Speaker 1: and I post one of them, like trying to get
Speaker 1: more into it and go back to the reason why
Speaker 1: I started social media because I like it and I'm
Speaker 1: finally at a point where I like it again, which
Speaker 1: is really refreshing and nice. It doesn't feel like work.
Speaker 2: I love that. And what's been what is that when
Speaker 2: you say you want to use your voice and even
Speaker 2: doing the podcast today, like you coming on today and
Speaker 2: you know, being open and trusting me and trusting this
Speaker 2: space and just being vulnerable with the idea of like
Speaker 2: you said, I don't know, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: who I am, Yeah, and being okay with that, which
Speaker 2: I think, by the way, for a nineteen year old
Speaker 2: is completely normal and wonderful and good, and like, I
Speaker 2: think that's amazing that you want to spend this time
Speaker 2: in your life figuring out who you are. I think
Speaker 2: it's the best investment you could ever make. I'm so
Speaker 2: happy that you're doing it, and I'm hoping that you
Speaker 2: take your whole audience and community on a journey to
Speaker 2: do it for themselves because you're going to save so
Speaker 2: many people from so many stressful twenty to thirty year
Speaker 2: old journeys. Right like literally, like you can either do
Speaker 2: it now or you can do it when you're thirty,
Speaker 2: And if you do it now, it's that you can
Speaker 2: help so many people. What is that kind of like
Speaker 2: when you say using your voice, is that the type
Speaker 2: of journey you want people to go on with you?
Speaker 2: Or are you? Are you still figuring out what that
Speaker 2: journey it is that you want people to go on
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as of right now, it's literally just talking talking online,
Speaker 1: just actually using my voice. You know, for so long
Speaker 1: it was a song and no words, Like it sounds
Speaker 1: so little bit just talking. I feel like that's something
Speaker 1: that is which is so weird, but it's so outside
Speaker 1: of my comfort zone and I feel so like weird
Speaker 1: doing it, but has honestly been really refreshing for me
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm growing up and a part of
Speaker 1: growing up is being confident with what you have to
Speaker 1: say and using your words and just talking with you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of purpose. And I'm growing up, but
Speaker 1: also so are all of the people that are watching me,
Speaker 1: and I think bringing them on that journey of this
Speaker 1: is literally just what I'm doing. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: anything that's really of any importance. Sometimes sometimes I'm just talking.
Speaker 1: But that's what I need to do to move to
Speaker 1: this next step of my life, to hopefully talk about
Speaker 1: something important and talk about what matters to me. I
Speaker 1: think that that's this is a very integral step of
Speaker 1: growing up.
Speaker 2: I think that's really smart. I genuinely do. I think
Speaker 2: that takes a lot of courage to even say that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's like insignificant
Speaker 2: at all. I think it makes a lot of sense
Speaker 2: to me that in order for you to stand for something,
Speaker 2: you need to get to a point where you just
Speaker 2: feel comfortable being open and sharing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so much of the beginning few years of
Speaker 1: this journey, every time I talked, someone had something to say,
Speaker 1: and you know, you get canceled every five seconds. Like
Speaker 1: that was what was happening to me for so long
Speaker 1: any time I opened my mouth. So I just stop talking.
Speaker 1: I stopped saying anything that was important to me. I
Speaker 1: stopped doing anything that was outside of the box that
Speaker 1: I was put in where I couldn't go wrong if
Speaker 1: I just didn't do anything, you know. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: have opinions, I have thoughts. I have things I like,
Speaker 1: I have things I don't like. Why can't I just
Speaker 1: say it? Like? Who is stopping me? The people that
Speaker 1: actually care what I have to say, They're going to
Speaker 1: support me even if they disagree. You know, whether it's
Speaker 1: I really like this outfit and they don't like, that's cool.
Speaker 1: They respect my opinion. I respect theirs, That's awesome. The
Speaker 1: people that don't like me, they're not gonna like me
Speaker 1: no matter what. They didn't like me when I wasn't
Speaker 1: saying anything. They're not gonna like me now. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not making my videos for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. When you say you still want to get
Speaker 2: to know who you are and your identity, what are
Speaker 2: the pots that you're like, I'm still just trying to
Speaker 2: figure this out at this point. I'm like really curious
Speaker 2: about I'm trying to learn about this about myself. But
Speaker 2: I don't like, what are those parts of yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with the way that I present myself. Whether it's how
Speaker 1: do I like my makeup done? How do I like
Speaker 1: to dress? How do I like to look? How do
Speaker 1: I like to show myself to other people? Not just
Speaker 1: what is going on at the moment. How do I
Speaker 1: like to smell?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I like Bourn Dreamer? I know I like that, And
Speaker 1: let's discover for future with Bourne Dreamer. What else do
Speaker 1: I like? You know? Whatever?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: I like go a little bit deeper and you know,
Speaker 1: something so simple. I've been doing more colors with my nails,
Speaker 1: which is so random and so small. It's your nails.
Speaker 1: You know, people get their nails in all the time.
Speaker 1: But I did bright green and I thought about that
Speaker 1: for three weeks before I did it, and like why
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I like the color. I wanted it
Speaker 1: on my nails. It made me happy every time I
Speaker 1: saw them. I was like, I did that. That was
Speaker 1: something different I normally do nude. Let's do something fun
Speaker 1: like that little thing was so much fun for me
Speaker 1: and it brought me so much happiness. And I would
Speaker 1: match this color to this and it's just so fun.
Speaker 1: Why am I robbing myself a fun because I don't
Speaker 1: want to put myself out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you. I honestly like you're literally doing
Speaker 2: all the practical steps that it takes to build your values. Thereah,
Speaker 2: and that's what it is. All of these little habits.
Speaker 2: For anyone who's listening, all these little habits and these
Speaker 2: little changes that you're making, they turn into values that
Speaker 2: you appreciate about yourself. So a value could be and
Speaker 2: I'm not putting a value on you, I'm just throwing
Speaker 2: it out there is for a reflection. But a value
Speaker 2: could be I like freedom, or I like self expression,
Speaker 2: or I like random can be a value or whatever
Speaker 2: it may be and like and then those values become
Speaker 2: things you can use in the future for how you
Speaker 2: make decisions. Yeah, now when you make so my values
Speaker 2: has always been to take risks. I feel like I
Speaker 2: took risks ever since I was fourteen, eighteen, twenty one,
Speaker 2: and I've noticed that pattern in my life. And so
Speaker 2: now when I'm taking a risk, I'm not that scared
Speaker 2: anymore because I've always taken risks my whole life. And
Speaker 2: I love how when I first took a risk, I
Speaker 2: didn't even know what a risk was like. When I
Speaker 2: was fourteen years old or eighteen, I just did it.
Speaker 2: And now when I look back, I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 2: that's a skill I have now. And so it's almost
Speaker 2: like when you're doing all these things, you're just collecting
Speaker 2: lots of different skills and then one day they'll evolve
Speaker 2: into values which will form an identity, and then you'll
Speaker 2: be able to be like, these are the three things
Speaker 2: that I value and that really matter to me. And
Speaker 2: you know, I love that. I love how simple you've
Speaker 2: made it for yourself, and I love how you've broken
Speaker 2: it down because I think a lot of us try
Speaker 2: to like leap frogs, like this is who I am now,
Speaker 2: and we almost want the performance part before the work part.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I feel like you're doing the work part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's great to work, great to see. Thank you, Johnie.
Speaker 2: What if I not asked you about that? You're like,
Speaker 2: I really want to share this. So this has been
Speaker 2: on my heart, on my mind, or like something you
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. You're like, this is what
Speaker 2: I want to use my voice for. You haven't asked
Speaker 2: me about it, or it just didn't come up.
Speaker 1: Something for me that I think is very interesting, which
Speaker 1: is very random and has nothing to do with my career,
Speaker 1: my personal life or anything. I love the San Diego
Speaker 1: Safari Park, which is so random, but I've recently found
Speaker 1: I watched this whole video on it, this like very
Speaker 1: specific thing that you have to go through a lot
Speaker 1: of steps to be able to get it for like
Speaker 1: a zoo or aquarium or anything. But it's a certificate
Speaker 1: that shows if it's humane to the animals. And learning
Speaker 1: about that has been really interesting because I love going
Speaker 1: there and I love how free the animals are and
Speaker 1: how it's just like they are in the wild, and
Speaker 1: how they help the animals, and that's definitely something that
Speaker 1: I want to get more into, is like figuring out
Speaker 1: exactly what it is and going to more places like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, not appreciating place is like SeaWorld that
Speaker 1: treat their animals horribly, you know, like little things like
Speaker 1: that that I think is so interesting because I love animals,
Speaker 1: So that was something I need to find the name
Speaker 1: of exactly what that little like thing is, but it's
Speaker 1: really cool and like to get that, you have to
Speaker 1: go through a lot of work, and every place is
Speaker 1: constantly trying to outdo each other, so the bar is
Speaker 1: constantly being raised, which I think is so interesting.
Speaker 2: How they treat the animals and they have to pass
Speaker 2: a certain number of right right, right, Well, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: That's really cool and something random that I.
Speaker 2: Decide, right, I love. Yeah. Yeah. My wife's a big
Speaker 2: fan of visiting animals as much as we can, and
Speaker 2: so she's she's kind of always led that and we've
Speaker 2: gone to some of the randommest places in LA because
Speaker 2: of her. But her relationship with animals is really beautiful
Speaker 2: and she can like you know, start a relationship with yah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's really special to watch. And it's really interesting
Speaker 2: because we went to a couple last year and she'd
Speaker 2: always come back really like even more calm and even
Speaker 2: more just still and and I And it was really
Speaker 2: beautiful to see just how when you're connected to nature
Speaker 2: and we are nature and you know we're a part
Speaker 2: of that, but now we feel so disconnected from it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but animals are such a great way of reconnecting. What
Speaker 2: do you find I guess fulfilling or meaningful about being?
Speaker 2: Obviously your dogs, but with these animals, like what is
Speaker 2: it about it for you specifically that you appreciate about it?
Speaker 1: I think it's just so peaceful and to learn so
Speaker 1: much Like when you go to these places, I will
Speaker 1: come back only talking about animal facts for like a
Speaker 1: month and I love it. And sometimes people are like,
Speaker 1: that's like, where did you even come.
Speaker 2: Up with that?
Speaker 1: But I think it's so cool and so interesting to
Speaker 1: see all these animals and with each other and how
Speaker 1: they respond to things. And I love places where it's like,
Speaker 1: if they're out and you see them, that's great. If not,
Speaker 1: they don't feel like being out, that's just how it is.
Speaker 1: I just think it's so interesting. And I literally I've
Speaker 1: been to the San Diego Safari twice and the first
Speaker 1: time talked about animal facts for like two months. The
Speaker 1: second time I leading up to going, that was all
Speaker 1: I could talk about, and I brought. I got so
Speaker 1: many other people excited about because I like, but you
Speaker 1: don't understand how cool it is, Like you are twenty
Speaker 1: feet away from a cheetah with like there's no big
Speaker 1: fence up, you know, Like it's crazy just to see
Speaker 1: these animals just living, not worried about anything that is
Speaker 1: so materialistic or anything like that. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just find so much joy in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Have you been to anywhere in Africa?
Speaker 1: I haven't, and I really want to go. I've like,
Speaker 1: I've seen so many videos, and so many of my
Speaker 1: friends have gone, and it just seems so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked about this before in the podcast, but
Speaker 2: I'm saying it because it's natural in our conversation. I
Speaker 2: went to Rwanda last year, Wow, and Rwanda of Revere's Gorillaz.
Speaker 2: So literally, every time there's a new gorilla in Rwanda
Speaker 2: that the community comes together and they name it and
Speaker 2: they have this whole ceremony for it. And so they've
Speaker 2: had these gorilla sanctuaries for years and so same as
Speaker 2: what you're saying, there's no fences or walls or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's basically the mountains and you take treks into the
Speaker 2: mountains and you discover gorilla and their natural habitat, and
Speaker 2: there's families. So we followed. I went three days, and
Speaker 2: one of the days we discovered a family that had
Speaker 2: like twenty gorillas in it, and then we discovered another
Speaker 2: one and you get to see the babies and the
Speaker 2: adduts and it was easily one of my favorite things
Speaker 2: I've done in my entire life. And it was just
Speaker 2: the most magical experience because you're truly in nature. The
Speaker 2: animals are in their habitat, so you're going into their
Speaker 2: home and they're gonna They're so respectful and let you
Speaker 2: do your thing, and at the same time you get
Speaker 2: to learn about them in this really intimate way. It
Speaker 2: was beautiful to just see how they took care of
Speaker 2: the kids, how the kids played around, how they were
Speaker 2: defensive if we got too close, like just everything about them.
Speaker 2: And the guides that we had said that you can
Speaker 2: also go and walk, So this was walking with gorillas,
Speaker 2: but they said you could go walk with elephants too,
Speaker 2: and me and my wife have been talking about doing that.
Speaker 2: We're like, I'd love to go walk with elephants, Like
Speaker 2: how cool would that be? And yeah, there's all these
Speaker 2: incredible experiences out there, and you know, whether it's a
Speaker 2: local safari or whether it's being able to go there,
Speaker 2: Yeah and have this experience. I definitely feel and my
Speaker 2: other team, someone of my team's been talking about going
Speaker 2: to see the Great Migration, which is what so the
Speaker 2: easy version of it. I'm giving a very bad explanation,
Speaker 2: but just to make it relatable for everyone, It's basically
Speaker 2: what happens in the Lion King when all the wilderbeast
Speaker 2: like running across like, so that's the Great Migration. Where
Speaker 2: they're like stampeding across the stampede where the fast unfortunately dies.
Speaker 2: Like that moment is what the great migration is, and
Speaker 2: it happens every single Year's so yeah, anyway, I'm getting
Speaker 2: carried away too.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean it's so easy to Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's magical to think that these things exist
Speaker 2: and you can go and witness them or even whilst
Speaker 2: they're online or on the documentary whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, at the San Diego Safari, they're literally like with
Speaker 1: the Southern hight rhinos and the Northern hight rhinos, it's
Speaker 1: like one of them is going extinct and they're literally
Speaker 1: figuring out through stem cells, like how to bring it back.
Speaker 1: It's so so wild and so interesting and hearing these
Speaker 1: people talk about it and all of the steps they're
Speaker 1: going through with scientists and zoologists and literally everyone to help,
Speaker 1: you know, bring back this species of rhinos. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is so cool and has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: anything that I do in my normal, everyday life. But
Speaker 1: how interesting is that to just hear and see and
Speaker 1: like what that's crazy? But I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: think that that's so cool.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, and I hope you
Speaker 2: just keep pursuing and following all of these things that
Speaker 2: using a cool and you know, you're it's not that
Speaker 2: you don't know yourself. I wouldn't say that you don't
Speaker 2: know who you are. I just say that you're you're
Speaker 2: firmly on that path. Yeah, you're on that path of
Speaker 2: self discovery, and you're doing it a perfect time in
Speaker 2: your life, and you're taking every one of the right steps.
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's not that you don't know who
Speaker 2: you are or you're confused, You're just you're just taking
Speaker 2: those steps and all of it's going to become more
Speaker 2: and more clear as you continue to take more steps. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing the this part of the journey
Speaker 2: with me, because I'm hoping that in a few years
Speaker 2: time you come out and then you'll be like Jay,
Speaker 2: I figured this out and.
Speaker 1: These are all of my favorite things that I've decided.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hope and I hope they'll change again.
Speaker 2: And you know, I but I'm glad that you came
Speaker 2: and shared this part because this is the hardest part
Speaker 2: to share when you're not sure and you're figuring it out.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that we had the opportunity to capture
Speaker 2: that today. Yeah, and I'm really really appreciate you sharing
Speaker 2: that with people because it is the hardest part to
Speaker 2: share when you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite there, but this is where I am now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie, thank you so much. No, thank you coming
Speaker 2: on the show today. And we end every episode with
Speaker 2: a final five, and these I'm going to totally ruin
Speaker 2: these because I enjoy doing that. But you're meant to
Speaker 2: answer them in one word to one sentence maximum, but
Speaker 2: I will probably ask you to expand because they always
Speaker 2: lead to more thoughtful answers. So all right, Charlie, these
Speaker 2: are your final five. The first question is what is
Speaker 2: the best advice you've ever heard, or received or even
Speaker 2: given to someone.
Speaker 1: This is probably the only thing that keeps me sane,
Speaker 1: whether it's good or bad. Everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1: You can't control.
Speaker 2: It, and that's something you hold on to it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it makes me feel like I'm not going crazy.
Speaker 2: When have you used that the most you can explain?
Speaker 1: I mean, when I feel like I have no idea
Speaker 1: what to do next, where I feel like everything's coming
Speaker 1: crashing down, this is important because it's helping me get
Speaker 1: to the next step of my life. And as much
Speaker 1: as this sucks right now, I need it and some
Speaker 1: of the worst parts where I feel like I'm at
Speaker 1: an all time low, that helped me get to that
Speaker 1: next step. So next time I'm feeling like that, I
Speaker 1: know how to. I know, first I can get myself
Speaker 1: out of it, and second that you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal and a year I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to remember it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely love that, all right. Second question, what's the worst
Speaker 2: advice you've ever heard or received?
Speaker 1: Probably that I need to say yes to everything because
Speaker 1: you don't know when this is going to end. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you just need to say no and take that time
Speaker 1: for yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought that up. So many young
Speaker 2: creators here.
Speaker 1: That overwhelm themselves, and it's you're doing a disservice to yourself.
Speaker 1: Give yourself time to figure out who you are.
Speaker 2: And I think you're so right. Like I've said this
Speaker 2: to a lot of people too, that it will only
Speaker 2: end when you want it to, Like nothing can end
Speaker 2: if you're if you're alive and you're creating and your building,
Speaker 2: like things just don't end and I think we use
Speaker 2: the end as a scarcity tactic or a fear tactic
Speaker 2: to get more out of someone or to get the
Speaker 2: most out of it right now, not realizing that someone
Speaker 2: could take a break for three years if that's what
Speaker 2: they wanted to do, and come back even stronger and
Speaker 2: bigger and better and whatever. Yeah. And I just don't
Speaker 2: think we allow people to have that space. And I
Speaker 2: think it's really unhealthy for anyone to think that if
Speaker 2: I'm not don't do this, I'm going to be irrelevant
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's like, Actually, if you're an artist, you
Speaker 2: could take time out and come back in years from
Speaker 2: now and create a masterpiece.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the first like three years of my career,
Speaker 1: all anyone was saying was it could be over like that,
Speaker 1: no one's going to care about you. And I spent
Speaker 1: so much time. When is it going to end? Everyone
Speaker 1: keeps telling me it's going to end, Like do I
Speaker 1: want it to end? Maybe I want it to end.
Speaker 1: Maybe I want to break and it just to all
Speaker 1: be over and go back to my normal life. I've
Speaker 1: taken breaks, i've taken step backs, I've done everything that
Speaker 1: was coming to me at the moment, and it's like
Speaker 1: letting whether the people that are watching you are gonna
Speaker 1: stay or leave dictate every move you make. Those people
Speaker 1: that really care about you, they're not just gonna leave
Speaker 1: if you stop posting for a month or a week
Speaker 1: or however long. Like put your own mental state first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because if you don't put your mental state first,
Speaker 2: then it's definitely gonna go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna get burnt out, and then no one's
Speaker 1: gonna care.
Speaker 2: Because you don't care exactly, or you're not gonna be
Speaker 2: able to put anything like you know, And if you
Speaker 2: look at that perspective, it's like, yeah, you just keep
Speaker 2: pushing and pushing and pushing. Yeah, you lose yourself and
Speaker 2: then you have nothing to share and then you've definitely,
Speaker 2: you know, lost out. No, really really great answer. I
Speaker 2: love that question. Number three, What is the craziest room
Speaker 2: as you've heard about yourself? One that made you laugh
Speaker 2: and one that made you cry.
Speaker 1: Ones that make me laugh are probably the ones where
Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll seem super I'll see like blind items
Speaker 1: about myself and it's like she did this crazy thing
Speaker 1: at this party and it was wild and and I
Speaker 1: was like, didn't even go to a party that's so
Speaker 1: like like where did you guys? I was here and there.
Speaker 1: So those ones always make me laugh and they're like
Speaker 1: so not true and be like, Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you said about not being at the party. Like,
Speaker 2: So I officiated Ben and Jen's wedding last year, and
Speaker 2: there was a guest list that was printed, and the
Speaker 2: guest list just had everyone's name on and everyone was
Speaker 2: like asking me like, oh, did you see this person?
Speaker 2: Do you see this one? I was like, they weren't there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a really private wedding. Yeah, but it's like
Speaker 2: everyone assumes that all these people were there now that
Speaker 2: all these magazines had printed it. Everyone assumes that it
Speaker 2: was just this big celebrity wedding. It's like what it
Speaker 2: wasn't it was just really friends and family. It just
Speaker 2: makes you laugh like, yeah.
Speaker 1: You guys pulled this out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Nowhere, Like it was just crazy to me. I was like,
Speaker 2: how do you make this up? Like you know? And
Speaker 2: so there was no official guest list printed externally. Yeah
Speaker 2: all right? Uh yeah. And then one that kind of
Speaker 2: like got to you, or if there was one that
Speaker 2: like made you more emotional, well, things that make you
Speaker 2: more emotional generally.
Speaker 1: Things that make me more emotional are definitely ones that
Speaker 1: try to display my character in a way where you know,
Speaker 1: I I don't want to defend everything that I do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to defend every rumor that comes out
Speaker 1: about me. But it's like to think that people think
Speaker 1: I'm capable of doing these things that you know are
Speaker 1: sometimes so horrible or you know there, especially when I
Speaker 1: was like sixteen, sixteen was really hard for me, and
Speaker 1: I would hear these grown adults every single day, Charlie
Speaker 1: did Charlie did that, Charlie did this. I literally it
Speaker 1: was actually right when I hit one hundred million. I
Speaker 1: think I was at the lowest mental state possible, and
Speaker 1: I looked so happy online, and it got to the
Speaker 1: point where I was I was like, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: this anymore, Like I physically cannot do this. Like it
Speaker 1: got really dark to where I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even want to be here anymore. And I think back
Speaker 1: to those times and the grown adults that put sixteen
Speaker 1: year old me in that mindset, and I'm just like, like,
Speaker 1: you guys have kids now, like you guys are are grown,
Speaker 1: And first of all, never gotten an apology through a
Speaker 1: direct message, never got an apology or anything besides if
Speaker 1: it was for other people or that they want something
Speaker 1: from me, And I just like I wish that they
Speaker 1: could see what they did to me and how truly
Speaker 1: horrible they treated me, and like what if that was
Speaker 1: your kid? What if that was you? How would you feel?
Speaker 1: And like, I'm so proud of myself for getting myself
Speaker 1: through that, because that really, like depending on how I
Speaker 1: responded to that, could have changed the trajectory of my life,
Speaker 1: whether I started to cope in unhealthy ways or or
Speaker 1: harmed myself or did something that you know, would make
Speaker 1: these people feel bad. Like I'm just very glad that
Speaker 1: I have the people around me and also got to
Speaker 1: give some credit to myself was able to get out
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: I can't I mean even just hearing you talk about it,
Speaker 2: like it feels so hard and heavy, and like I
Speaker 2: can feel how intense it could have been, Like what
Speaker 2: got you through that? Like what was it that? Because
Speaker 2: at sixteen, I mean, you don't have a lot to
Speaker 2: pull on, Like what gets you through all of that?
Speaker 2: Especially being around you know now your family's more used
Speaker 2: to it, so everyone has a bit more. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: doesn't make it easier. Yeah, I'm not saying it makes
Speaker 2: it easier, but people are more aware of it, Yeah
Speaker 2: for sure. But at that time, it's like right at
Speaker 2: the beginning, you know, it.
Speaker 1: Was really hard for a long time, and especially at
Speaker 1: that point, I showed myself in a very specific light
Speaker 1: and didn't want to let anyone know what was getting
Speaker 1: to me. And then I would go and cry on
Speaker 1: live And I think back to that, and I think
Speaker 1: it was the people that I had around me, Like
Speaker 1: it was getting to the point where like people were
Speaker 1: coming to my house to check on me, like it
Speaker 1: was bad, and like, I don't know if these people
Speaker 1: that did this, like I think they know who they are,
Speaker 1: but are ever going to see this? Like, first of all,
Speaker 1: I think I deserve an apology. Second of all, not
Speaker 1: that I need one because I'm content with how it
Speaker 1: happened whatever, But the fact that there's no accountability for
Speaker 1: those people, but there was so much accountability for a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old I think is so wild and there's
Speaker 1: so like, honestly, the hardest stuff to deal with was
Speaker 1: the people that were grown adults that were like just
Speaker 1: ripping on me every second of every day, like twenty
Speaker 1: videos like what I now look back and I'm so
Speaker 1: disgusted by the fact that these people like thought that
Speaker 1: that was okay. It's so wild, and I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: very thankful that I had my friends and my family
Speaker 1: and enough in myself to want to get through it
Speaker 1: and come out the other side and show these people
Speaker 1: that they can't ruin me. And I have more to
Speaker 1: show people than what I've done so far.
Speaker 2: That's so powerful and it's so no, it really is.
Speaker 2: It's so powerful to hear that, and it's and it
Speaker 2: breaks my heart hearing it too, because I totally get
Speaker 2: what you're saying in terms of just like when you
Speaker 2: have kids. We live in a world that wants to
Speaker 2: prioritize mental health, but then when we take people apart,
Speaker 2: whether they made a mistake or not, yeah, we're not
Speaker 2: mindful of their mental health at all. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 2: almost like if someone's made a mistake or maybe not
Speaker 2: even made a mistake, it's almost like, well, now we
Speaker 2: don't have to treat them as if they have mental health,
Speaker 2: yeah at all.
Speaker 1: Or it's like people loved me because I wasn't perfect
Speaker 1: and I was authentic, but then any time I would
Speaker 1: mix up my words or make a mistake or do
Speaker 1: anything outside of what was okay for these people, it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, well I hate her and everyone should
Speaker 1: hate her and she's a horrible person because of this.
Speaker 1: And I was like, but what did I do? Like
Speaker 1: it was so hard to come to terms of the
Speaker 1: fact that so many people hated me and I was
Speaker 1: just doing my best. I was like, but I don't
Speaker 1: get it, Like all I do is try to please
Speaker 1: everyone around me, and they're not, like how do I
Speaker 1: do this? I'm never gonna win, And you know that's
Speaker 1: really hard. Like I give myself so much credit for
Speaker 1: how I handled this stuff the best way I knew
Speaker 1: how like so wild.
Speaker 2: If you ever doubt how tough you are, you just
Speaker 2: got to remember sixteen years oh Charlie, because she was
Speaker 2: a beast. She so tough. Like that is really really intense.
Speaker 2: It was really really intense. How have you dealt with
Speaker 2: that feeling of like trying to keep everyone else? I
Speaker 2: know you've talked about it before, the idea of like
Speaker 2: trying to keep everyone else afloat and you want to
Speaker 2: kind of let go of that pressure. Do you feel
Speaker 2: like you've let go of it or do you feel
Speaker 2: like you're letting go of it?
Speaker 1: I think I am in certain aspects, but also leaning
Speaker 1: into it a little, you know, like maybe not what
Speaker 1: the internet wants, but what does my family want? What
Speaker 1: do my friends want? What does my boyfriend want? You know,
Speaker 1: like those people, what do my true fans want? What
Speaker 1: do they want me to put out that and make
Speaker 1: them happy? Because I'm doing it for these people, And
Speaker 1: maybe if I'm feeling a little bit burnt out right now,
Speaker 1: I really think back to, well, this is the reason
Speaker 1: that I started doing it, you know, but also understanding
Speaker 1: that I have to listen to myself and what I need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: figuring out that balance, which I don't think i'll ever
Speaker 1: truly get the hang of because it's always changing, but
Speaker 1: at least acknowledging it.
Speaker 2: All right. Question four and five. Last two questions. What's
Speaker 2: something new that you're trying to learn this year or
Speaker 2: something that a skill that you're trying to develop.
Speaker 1: I want to get better at packing and like traveling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's such a stressor for me. Literally every single
Speaker 1: time before I leave for a trip, I will have
Speaker 1: a little mental breakdown, full like tears everything. It's a
Speaker 1: that's another control thing and a very obsessive, compulsive thing
Speaker 1: that I do because I like to have my stuff
Speaker 1: around me. I like to have my things. I like
Speaker 1: to have everything that I could possibly need. Like even
Speaker 1: in my purse, I have everything that I could possibly
Speaker 1: need for if I go on a three day vacation, like,
Speaker 1: it just causes me so much stress that I would
Speaker 1: like to be able to take a overnight trip and
Speaker 1: just like pack and go without worrying so much. Like
Speaker 1: that would be the dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great I think that's a great scale
Speaker 2: that I wish everyone wants to add. Right, Definitely, there
Speaker 2: are great package and they are a bad package. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm a bad packer for sure, And I get that.
Speaker 2: Do what my wife does. My wife just takes six suitcases,
Speaker 2: she says.
Speaker 1: Literally, my sister, she will go places pack like an
Speaker 1: hour before she's like only brought one shoe. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: how do you do this? This is insane?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. I love it all right, great, Charlie.
Speaker 2: Final question, It is the final question. If you could,
Speaker 2: and you take your time with this, if you could
Speaker 2: create one rule or one law that everyone in the
Speaker 2: world had to follow, what would it be.
Speaker 1: Lead with empathy. Don't be so hard on every single thing,
Speaker 1: every situation, everything, no matter what. Like you never ever
Speaker 1: know what someone's truly going through. Even you can ask
Speaker 1: me what's wrong, and I could tell you one thing,
Speaker 1: and maybe deep down it's something else that I'm embarrassed
Speaker 1: to tell you about. Like you just never know the
Speaker 1: struggle that someone's dealing with when they're by themselves. So
Speaker 1: just be a little more empathetic. I feel like COVID really,
Speaker 1: you know, caused people to react fast. Just take a
Speaker 1: step back, you know, hear people out. Just calm down,
Speaker 1: Calm down a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so needed for ourselves and others. And it's
Speaker 2: amazing how many of us we will know we need
Speaker 2: that world. But it's almost like the system and society
Speaker 2: and the way it works is set up to make
Speaker 2: us not be that. Yeah, right, Like we all want that,
Speaker 2: and we will say that, and then something happens in
Speaker 2: the press and then everyone jumps on it.
Speaker 1: And I have to say that to myself too, keep
Speaker 1: yourself in check, you know.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Charlie. I love how this conversation has been so
Speaker 2: fun and deep. Yeah, and like random and unique, and
Speaker 2: I love that because that's what all of us are, right.
Speaker 2: I think if you try and have a conversation that's
Speaker 2: just deep or just cool or just whatever, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: But when you just get to know someone three point sixty's,
Speaker 2: it's a bit quirky, it's a bit funny. It's it
Speaker 2: was super thoughtful and insightful, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: it was truly you. I hope you felt that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, this was refreshing for me.
Speaker 2: Good. I'm glad, and thank you so much for trusting
Speaker 2: me and being here. And I'm so grateful. And everyone's
Speaker 2: been listening or watching, whether you're walking your dogs, because
Speaker 2: I know you do that, whether you're at the gym,
Speaker 2: whether you're driving to and from work, or whether you're
Speaker 2: editing a video. Right now, I want to say thank
Speaker 2: you to you for Liz litening, and I hope that
Speaker 2: you're going to share your highlights of so many great insights, thoughts,
Speaker 2: just reflections I think that Charlie shared with us today.
Speaker 2: Make sure you share the ones that stood out to you.
Speaker 2: Tag both me and Charlie as well, whether you using
Speaker 2: TikTok x or Instagram, because I love seeing what you
Speaker 2: related to and what you connected to. There were so
Speaker 2: many parts today I felt when I was listening, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I get that, Like I hear that,
Speaker 2: and I want to know what you heard and what
Speaker 2: you understood and what you learned. Charlie, thank you so
Speaker 2: much again. I hope you'll come on many, many more times.
Speaker 1: Yes for having me. Seriously, this is really nice to
Speaker 1: be able to have the space to talk about anything.
Speaker 2: Well. You're always welcome. Thank you, always welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 2: If you love this episode, you will also love my
Speaker 2: interview with Kendall Jenna on setting boundaries to increase happiness
Speaker 2: and healing You're inner child.
Speaker 1: You could be reading something that someone is saying about
Speaker 1: you and being like, that is so unfair because that's
Speaker 1: not who I am and that really gets to me sometimes.
Speaker 1: But then looking at myself in the mirror and being like,
Speaker 1: but I know who I am. Why does any thing
Speaker 1: else matter